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Hey, my account has been hacked and they changed password and apparently they changed email that I could have used to recover the password. Is there anyway to contact an Admin and get help? I may have a secret password set up, but not real sure now. Ok, any help is appreciated. I may just be screwed  :-\

Was my Hero Account  :P Please help
Thank you

Send a signed message from an address that is/was associated with that account to Theymos.

if you can't prove ownership of an address associated, don't even try it, you will just waste your time and the teams time.

FYR: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=497545.0

#1 Let us know the name so the hacker cant scam with it
#2 contact theymos[1] with a message[2] in the below fashion in order to restore your account. If you cant find an old address, do you have any other way to prove the account is yours?



[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=35
[2] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=497545.0

Hey thank you for trying to help me. I am a bit confused when you say a signed message? My hacked account shows the last login on it at 2:03 pm today. and my email address is hidden I assume by whom ever hacked me. I do have personal messages PM's in my associated Hotmail account, too my and from my BCT account that got hacked. I could some how forward that or something else to prove who I am. ok, Please clarify what I should send him.
THX

No, please reread what I wrote.

You absolutely NEED TO sign a message with a bitcoin address associated to your account. This address can be in a post or a PM, you just need to provide a link to it.

Just google " how to sign a bitcoin message"

Hey I just saw this ... Let me take a look.

My account that was hacked was MinermanNC

I have plenty of Pm's to and from that associated Hotmail Account with MinermanNC

To sign a message: follow the instructions followed in this blog post (http://blog.anonymousads.com/2014/03/new-feature-sign-in-with-your-bitcoin.html). You will need to sign a message from an address that you previously posted (or sent a pm with) with your account

Looks like someone is already scamming with my account name!!! Help!

This is the last post made from my account at the same time it was stolen,,, the below link shows it wow AND this isn't me posting this at this link,,, OH no!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=765360.msg10701238#msg10701238

Ok, going to work on it now. In looking at my hacked MinermanNC account it appears they have removed my BTC address that was associated with it, along with my email that wasn't hidden before hack,,, they sure seem to be trying to stop me from recovering it,, geez

They can't delete PMs, just go through your emails and search for a PM where you sent an address to someone else. Then contact that person to send you the PM number.

TBH, looking at the security log (http://bitcointalk.org/seclog.php), it looks like the account was probably sold based on the fact that the password was changed twice in a short period of time (but it is hard to say for sure).

Theymos can see deleted posts, although you would have had to have written down the link to the posts that you previously posted from. This however does smell a lot like the work of bayuo

Ok I am going through 2 years of my PMs. to and from MinermanNC I have never done this before.  :o

Its a hero account, so it might be worth it for you though.

If the account was hacked (and you no longer have access to the account) then how you are going through it's PM's?

WoW just checked out security log and there is my other account that I cannot get in to. account is  scryptonite, that's me to and was registered to the same Hotmail account, oh boy

At this point you are either trolling or trying to get a bunch of random accounts to have negative trust, or are trying to recover accounts that you sold.

It is not possible to have more then one account registered to the same address. You are clearly lying

No, pm's that are in my Hotmail account from other members,

AND:

At this point you are either trolling or trying to get a bunch of random accounts to have negative trust, or are trying to recover accounts that you sold.

It is not possible to have more then one account registered to the same address. You are clearly lying

This is not so? I am not lying. I may have registered scryptonite to my gmail account. Was set up to help my son with his senior project for school. I will check that out you may be right on 2 accounts registered to same email, that account was a while back... Please don't quit helping me!! I am real. Can I post a copy f a pm sent to my Hotmail account from other members in here to prove to you I am telling you the truth? a few are from coin devs that still have active coins lol

Here is another communication via PM to my Hotmail...

You have just been sent a personal message by motty on Bitcoin Forum.

 IMPORTANT: Remember, this is just a notification. Please do not reply to this email.

 The message they sent you was:

 Quote from: MinermanNC on August 13, 2014, 11:58:11 AM

 Hey Motty, another developer whom I am helping and supporting, is needing some assistance from someone who can possibly help him with his coin projects. He needs someone who can code/develop or be a second set of eyes for his projects and review code. I thought of you when he ask me if I knew anyone.

 His name is Robert Murray and is the developer of Umbrella Coins. the first coin has launched uLTC.

 His email is: support@umbrellaco.in

 His Ann in bitcoin talk is: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=687265.0

 I know he is needing some help now with the block explorer. he has one but needs a little more work to be 100%.

 If you think you could help him in any way, please PM him as soon as you can. I'm sure he has some questions he would like to ask your opinion on. See if this is something you can help with. I know he has generous bounties for this help.

 Tell him MinermanNC referred you to him so he will know who you are ;)

 Let me know as well if you think you can help.

 MMNC :)




 Hi MinermanNC,

 I made a reply the following to Umbrella.
 I can not work with a responsibility.
 I'm sorry for not able to undertake. :-[



Quote from: motty on Today at 07:30:26 AM

 Quote from: Umbrella Holdings on August 13, 2014, 11:02:42 PM

 Hey Motty,

 MinermanNC reached out to you on my behalf. I am looking to expand my team and looking for a good developer. I know you are busy with your coin but perhaps I can help with some things on Fujicoin? Anyhow, would love to chat and talk about possibly helping each other out.

 Thank you,
 Robert



 Hi Umbrella,

 Thank you for invitation.
 I am not a professional programmer, so will not be able to participate in the project.
 Your coin is likely to come up very popular.

 Please do your best. :D

 Reply to this Personal Message here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;f=inbox;pmsg=2715757;quote;u=330232

 ------------------

Looking at theymos Pm procedure, I see this at the bottom...

Do not create your temporary account using the same email address you want for the hacked/lost account. No two accounts can have the same email address.

So this new account I created to seek help with, is registered to the same account that got hacked.... so in other words, if I send him the required info he would not be able to reactivate MinermanNC now because this account " TerraMaster" is also registered to the same Hotmail account... Should I delete this account and create a new one and use a different email then? man what a mess  :-[

Thanks guys, I understand the scrutiny. You could actually go to some of the threads and coins I have supported and see many many post... from me, MinermanNC, and you could tell its me, and just wanting my account back somehow. Bummer, there has to be some way. Who ever did this (hacked me) new what they were doing.

Guess Ill have to create another account on a different email :( and the joker that hacked me actually made a post using MinermanNC, and all this because of a wallet full of Trojans. Ill repost again, under a new account name and give an update in here or start a new one. buy the way, this isn't all that got hacked either. Just cant be too careful....

THX for the help. Ill try to send what I can to theymos

Ok, back again under this new account associated with my gmail, and will use this to pm theymos, since my MinermanNC account was used in my Hotmail... ok
THX again, guess I got to delete TerraMaster lol, too bad I kinda like that name

The real
MMNC

You could've just changed the email in the profile.

Hey I didn't realize I could do that! I haven't deleted this account yet, so that's what I will try to do and use this account to contact theymos. I haven't PM'd him yet because the hard drive that got infected with a backdoor Trojan, also has my BTC wallet that has my bct address in it for MinermanNC., but its pulled and am scanning it further and found the backdoor this morning. Will reinstall that drive and load up my wallet and see my address to send theymos, is there. If I am understanding all this correctly. I just want my Hero account back! I thought I had removed all the viruses I picked up from a bad wallet install that was loaded with viruses. My bad, I didn't take the time to scan with virus total, but felt it was legit as supernova pool had already listed the coin for launch. Oh well live and learn!
THX for the help!!!

MMNC

EDIT: Ok, I just changed it lol, that was easy, I suppose I should study up more on Bitcoin talk forums features! To busy mining  :-\

Thank you for the tip!

I just looked at my stolen account MinermanNC and I see it has a -6 on trust in red. Which is good for now I guess, but can that trust rating be removed if I get my account back? otherwise its worthless and ruined now. Please let me know somebody if it can be removed once I get it back hopefully! :)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=765360.msg10701238#msg10701238

Yes of course, the trust will be removed when you will get back your forum account. You have only to contact shorena, good luck.

Hey thanks for that. I was told I should contact theymos? I am still trying to get a BTC address that I may have used for my signature,,, that's the part I am still a little confused about or any other way I can identify myself as the owner. Ok, I really appreciate any responses in here, it gives me hope.  :D

I left the rating, Ill remove it once you have your account back. You might also notice that the account you created also got a negative rating. Focus on your machine and the message for theymos we can worry about the trust rating later, Ill be reading along here.

Great!!! thank you,
yes I just saw that rating was applied to this account too, but that's cool. Soon I will have my cleaned hard drive back up and running in which the hack occurred on.

THX!
MMNC

Also, if and when I get back MinermanNC, I need to attempt to get back account, scryptonite, which was hacked and password changed at almost the exact same time. I see it has the ratings applied as well.  ;)

Here is some post from Fuji coin thread when I was using scryptonite and it also references me as MinermanNC with my friends in there.... ok, just a little e more info of who I am. (the accounts owner)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=644601.220

THX
MMNC

What is happening here?

there is a claim that your account is hacked. Could you possibly sign a message from an old address associated with your account?

Boy you sure got some balls showing up here! Thief! You must have looked at my note I sent to you and looked at my post. Its ok. Have fun with my account while you can

Just some tidbits on my hacking over the weekend, courtesy of the imposter now with my stolen account MinermanNC and scryptonite

Gmail hack attempt:

 Hi xxx,

 Someone recently used your password to try to sign in to your Google Account - xxx@gmail.com.

 We prevented the sign-in attempt in case this was a hijacker trying to access your account. Please review the details of the sign-in attempt:


 Saturday, March 7, 6:37 PM GMT
 IP Address: 185.17.1.82
 Location: Unknown  
 
If you do not recognize this sign-in attempt, someone else might be trying to access your account. You should sign in to your account and reset your password immediately.

 Reset password  

 Sincerely,
 The Google Accounts team  
 
 This email can't receive replies. For more information, visit the Google Accounts Help Center.  

C-CEX.com

Authorization failed from IP: 185.17.1.82
If it was not You then change Your password immediately and turn two-factor authorization on (2FA) if You haven't it by now.

PS: you can have that account anyways....

I will post more IP address attempts made early Sunday morning. Almost exactly around the same time my passwords on 2 BCT accounts were changed, Ironic don't ya think... Going to take a break.

THX for everyone's support thus far. Can't let these hackers win!


Another hacker login IP:

2015-03-08 13:30:01 185.17.1.82

I also had this same issue happen to me. From everything I've gathered, you need to sign a message from your Coinbase or Bitcoin wallet to Theymos or Badbear and hope for a miracle. You got half the miracle already *Badbear posting in thread*

Have you downloaded anything recently? I'll also remove the -trust once the account is straightened out.

Badbear I sent you a PM.  ;)

THX!

Hi,

The account was sold to me for 0.75BTC.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=979657.0

You could have PMed this account after you noticed it, and I would have noticed it and the deal would have been off.
I checked everything I could, recent posts (it was almost recent, so I naturally thought he was the original owner. But you could be an imposter, since you could simply set up everything after you see a Warning "Password has been changed recently")

The issue is not complicated as long as you do not provide a signed address from past quoted by someone, etc. If you provide that, then I am not sure what we will do.

I have been trying to contact the seller for quite some time without success. for a signed address.
He probably just went off and didn't login again.

PS Even if you could sign an address, can you prove that you did not sell to raindev? and changed your mind about that? Or wanted to get it back for free?
You could have simply put a negative trust or something to the account as soon as you noticed, and I could have known.

but who placed a bid of 0.75 btc

the last reply of account seller is account sold
mods can tell this what happens actually

My friend bought it for me.

Yeah, I am checking into all these.

Need exact time when OP noticed or is faking to notice when the account was hacked. OP is online. Please provide the info.

Address provided by seller: 1ApAzBgKPoJ3AYhZEph9tuJ9z8bjbpWZwX

Tx 1: before transferring account
1bc57468a72cfdeffd04c71d9914467cdd66fcd801de9368755e2045e3a66cc8  0.3BTC

Account was transferred and checking was done.

Tx 2: after
27e24d27738d7864c295622675310ec0c56d7d35e1f3256295c241e9a191be40  0.45BTC

minerman can u please post the btc transfer details  of 0.75 btc and who is esrow in this deal mention full detail of the deal that you have done

I love the way the auction thread starts. This is not a hacked account..lol

OK, now we are getting somewhere. We need to let Badbear look though some info I sent him. For the record. My personal PC was hacked into thru a backdoor Trojan Saturday night into early Sunday. When I logged In I first noticed a wallet I had left open had sent 3000 coins out?? I knew right away it was from a bad virus filled wallet I hastily had DL and installed without scanning. I knew right away it was bad and virus filled. I scanned down my PC pretty good and identified at least 3 Trojans,,, one specifically was a password gathering Trojan. I felt I had got it all out the night before, but had missed a backdoor which I later found.

As history will show, early Sunday he made his way into my PC and began logging into at least 4 exchanges, sent 3000 coins from an open wallet and stole my MinermanNC account and scryptonite account both attached to the same email. I had my web browser open and was logged into many accounts. Unfortunately I had fell asleep without closing anything out as normal,,, and I got burned as a result.

Now, I am impressed at you honesty and coming forward as to what happened on your end in buying my stolen account. That lends you a lot of credibility. It looks like you got duped however, just I have. I have already lost 50.00 in an alt coin that got stole along with a ton of headaches since.

ok, lets let the chips fall where they should.

I regret you paid .75 BTC ouch! But your honesty in shedding light to all this is appreciated. Perhaps it not your fault.

I have a lot more info as to where this all began and the infected wallet download, was from bitcointalk in a new coin launch. I'm sure some will want to investigate. I will post more data on all that tomorrow in here.

THX

MMNC

You had ~$840,000 worth of bitcoin in your hot wallet? Or was this some shitcoin that was "stolen" from you. Do you mind to share the txid of the tx that stole your coins?
Interestingly enough the person selling the account said that they were selling because they lost money in altcoin trading.

They also told me via PM that the account was not hacked and was willing to provide escrow with proof as much

Hey I have already sent proof to Badbear, that should clear it up. I don't know about all this other stuff you are critiquing or why. I'm straight.
THX

EDIT: I never said 3000 bitcoins! silly lol I just caught that... good gosh, I mean the guy that's running around with my account just came forward and shed a hell of a lot of light as to where my account went and how. Not to mention my other account that was stole simultaneously. I am not the culprit here, just the victim. Nothing more, nothing less, plain and simple.

CYA guys tomorrow and thank you to those that are helping!

Don't pm me about this, pm theymos. I was just giving you a heads up about the email. I have other things on my plate.

Got ya, will do.

THX Badbear,

Has already posted the btc transfer details. There was no escrow that is why the payment was done in two installments. I can put some screenshots of PM, but it can easily be faked. It is better to get an admin to look into it.



I was once fooled into entering bitcointalk.org account details to https://bitcoin-forums.net/index.php . Is the site safe?




ty I will help on this investigation as far as possible.

Really, I had no idea this is  a stolen account. There was no reason to be suspicious. Even the posts were very recent and followed the usual pattern.
lol, I made one post in one of the sections.
By you? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg10663581#msg10663581
By me. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=765360.msg10701356#msg10701356

As I said the time would help.





Yes, he said he lost money in altcoin trading or something similar.

Assuming everyone is honest,

Real owner was active after : March 05, 2015, 02:56:48 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg10663581#msg10663581

Brief gap

Hacker has control before : March 05, 2015, 11:30:29 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=976969.msg10667034#msg10667034
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Nothing happens for 3 days
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Account sold on March 08, 2015, 01:16:37 PM

Brief gap

Reports it on March 08, 2015, 11:48:56 PM





No offence, but is it possible for OP to fake everything after seeing the Warning password has been recently changed, etc. error or something else?
It seems that the account was hacked the within hours from last genuine post and put to auction? Everything else happens after 3 days.

Possible explanations:
1. As said by OP. Got hacked.
2. Tries to fake as the genuine owner.
3. Original owner, sells it. Tries to get it back.


However, I am willing to give back this account for 0.75BTC same as the amount I lost.

Everything is possible, but if the account is stolen you should give back it for "free". However if he will accept to pay, better for you but if he will not accept to pay these 0.75 bitcoins I don't know what will happen. Can I ask you again if you have requested a signed message before buy the forum account or not?

You can report the PM to staff and ask them to verify it here, thats the easiest way AFAIK.

PS: Im glad you both are so calm and open about this. I was a bit worried when I got PMs from both sides, because in the end I cant restore an account.

Yes the last post I made before my PC was hacked was in the Gaw paycoin thread, where I had quoted unacceptable, which you can see that is where I have been hanging out off and on a lot. That was in fact my last post with  my account MinermanNC. To answer you question lol

Hey shorena, Sent you a Pm, Please take a look  ;)

Please get back to me when ya get a chance.

THX!

Just so you all know, here is where my hacking problems started:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=967682.msg10656930#msg10656930

Scroll to bottom and take a look at the wallet scan.

I dare any of you in here to download the wallet and try to install it. Wait a day or 2 then come back and check you accounts here and everywhere!

the thread was locked soon after I noted potential problems which were later confirmed as suspected, by bitkokos.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=967682.msg10659999#msg10659999

The only reason I didn't take the time to scan wallet besides hurrying, was Suprnova pool had already posted they had a pool ready to go at launch which at that time, was 2 hours away. So I felt it was legit.

If you want to investigate, you all should take a very very close look at the dev of Blackcatcoin "Blackcatdev"

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=967682.msg10577920#msg10577920

Ok, go get a wallet and try to install, and I bet I won't be alone in here seeking to reclaim a stolen account. It was a setup in hindsight.

And I'm growing weary of a few in here doubting that I was hacked, perhaps a bit foolish on my part to even allow that to happen, considering I know the risk. But it is what it is, and I just want my rightfully owned account returned.

Any doubters at this point please go download a wallet, then come back in here in a couple of days. If you need the Zip wallet I will furnish it to you. Beware.

MMNC

There ya have it folks. He's not gonna do anything for ya. Theymos isn't either. You lose your account your fucked. I've seen 1 account returned that was stolen. IronMarvel.

I have the proof its mine verified by BTC address

Makes no difference. They are not paying attention to your emails. They don't care about your account. FILE 13 BOUND like the rest of us.

Time will tell. They have all they should need now. Took some digging, but my signature address was found "unedited" for my MinermanNC account.

Ill be patient, and hope and trust the right thing will be done.

I'm not going anywhere  ;)

Then again, the person who has it COULD give it back with no strings attached. We know how to reach each other now. So? We both were victims I feel. If I were him I certainly would not want it after all this, and knowing what he knows now about it. We'll see.....

Your right, time will tell. Tomorrow makes exactly 1 month my account was stolen.

What level were you?

Did  you send in any proof it was yours? or try,,, did have an unedited signature? to provide

I've done everything you've done 3x or more. It was just a Full Member account.

I see. Ya it sucks for sure. I had 2 accounts stolen at the same time too, my poor old "scryptonite" account got gone at the the exact same time. Both passwords were changed in less than 4 minutes of each other, I mean its kind of obvious what went down, with my accounts, almost a no-brainer to see if anyone looks at it for just a few minutes lol

I'm mostly mad at myself for installing a virus filled wallet. I got careless and it cost me. I wonder if the Admins have a way to see IP addresses of the persons who changed the account pass and email? Now that would be interesting to see. I posted the hackers IP and Best I can tell by using an IP trace it was somewhere in Russia.

No, that will be unfair to me. I lose 0.75 to a hacker, because someone else account was hacked? OP was probably careless, for instance I never install anything I get from here to my PC. I also have a good Anti-Virus installed.

I believe that OP is saying the truth and hence I will fully agree to give the account back for 0.75BTC.

There is negligence on the part of OP as far as I can see. He did not PM this account with any of the details, did not leave any trust feedback which could have been easily spotted by me.
He simply kept silent until the account was sold. He found it only after 3 days!?

All I did was I skipped asking for a signed address. He just ignored the question and I forgot to insist about it since the main worry was trust. No escrow was involved, you see. He ignores the question completely. Check the quote QuickSeller posted. He didn't reply to the part he asked for a signed address.

Proof can be submitted to mods/admin as required.

I believe, I am a bona fide purchaser of this account.

It was asked previously to post the tx of the transaction

So, Lets say I leave my garage unlocked overnight, a thief comes in and steals My nice high end John Deer lawn Mower. He goes to the other side of the county and sells to someone, telling them oh he just needs money to pay his electric bill, and sells it dirt cheap. He doesn't show his receipt or prove to that person as to where he bought it etc. or that he actually owns it. That buyer just assumes its his and he knows it a great deal so he goes ahead and buys it anyways without proof from the thief that he is the true owner.

I spot my mower being used in some guys yard the next day, I call the police and prove that's it my stolen mower, Now are the police going to tell me well we all know its your mower but you will have to pay the guy back who bought it from the thief in order to get it back?? lol, I don't think so, that's not the way it works in life.

You took a huge chance that may have been a stolen account, sort of like buying a gun with the serial numbers scrubbed off, a little light should have went off in you head saying maybe this isn't such a good deal. Little red flags should have been popping up everywhere. But you took a chance and bought it anyways because it seemed like a good deal, as they say "to good to be true" it usually isn't ya a Hero account for peanuts.....

Because I got hacked it in no way puts the burden on me to feel I should have to reimburse you because you took a chance on buying it. Remember, if its to good to be true, it isn't.

I have submitted the proof that it is my account, aside from the fact we all know it is. You could have passed on the deal from the person who stole it, unless you had more proof it was theirs.

Time line: Sunday morning EST. at 9.30am (March 8th) I realize my PC has been hacked. Less than 1 hour later the following passwords are changed, including scryptonite my other account.

From security report ( 4 hours ahead of my time)

•March 08, 2015, 01:14:22 PM - MinermanNC - password changed - You buy my stolen account and change password again...
•March 08, 2015, 01:12:55 PM - hallared - password changed (don't know this guy lol)
•March 08, 2015, 01:10:48 PM - scryptonite - password changed - Thief changes
•March 08, 2015, 01:06:02 PM - MinermanNC - password changed - Thief changes

Later that night at 7:30 pm I realize they stole my BCT accounts, I PM you @ ( My MinermanNC account) to let you know I am here.

Almost immediately I create this thread looking for solutions and answers.

I regret you made a move and bought the account, despite what should have been red flags everywhere. I am not going to pay 1 red dime to get it back. You are in possession of stolen goods essentially, and it does not belong to you. "I am old school" and rely on principles in life in most things that I do. If this account is so important to you and you feel good keeping it, knowing its stolen and knowing its mine and you are comfortable with all of that and you can sleep at night with a clear conscious knowing all this... well? Best of luck to you in life.

I said in a Pm to you,  you could just do the right thing and return it, and move on, I would if it were the other way around.





 

Atleast you have the knowledge that his account is now worthless due to the negative feedback.

Negative feedback can be removed.

Sure but usually stolen accounts end up keeping it.

Take my neg feedback I have. I'm glad its there. People will now do what I've been doing since I started bitcoins. It don't bother me none the least. But usually if you message who left it, and you can prove that its your account and something happened, they usually remove it. Not all the time I know, but usually.

Fair enough.

This is true lol, I just wish he would give it back.... end this nightmare  :)

You could always buy it from him. (I guess)

Nah, that goes against my grain lol, and its not that important to me now, not enough to buy back what was mine.... However I would still like to get it back if the Admins see fit after reviewing what I sent, which they should. I was happily mining way before I ever had a bitcoin talk account, and I still am. Always just start a new account, life goes on.  ;)

I am glad that both of you are peaceful about this and trying to work it out. More than I've seen out of a few on here. Hope you both get this resolved and nobody loses anything. GL.

So, you took 3 days to realize your account was stolen?

Do you think it makes sense that you install something in your PC, get it hacked and I pay the price?

(Just my views, don't get angry :) )

I didn't buy it for dirt cheap rates. For me, at least, it is quite a good amount. That is adequate compensation for the purchase.
(If you think that is dirt cheap, you can buy it from me for the same dirt cheap rates)
I honestly thought it a good price. Sr. members are heard to be worth 0.3-0.4. So double for Hero member. Certainly a decent rate.

There is negligence on your part, since you did not even add a negative trust to the account so that I could have spotted it. (If my account gets stolen, I will pretty sure it will go for sale and that will be the first thing I would do. I would also check Digital goods and Auctions boards for any similar account, which apparently you didn't. It was there at both places, I noticed from Recent posts of the seller yesterday)

You can buy this account from me for 0.75BTC. No strings attached.

I will try to find more about this case. Good luck to you too. :D

You could be lying.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=976969.msg10667034#msg10667034

Hacker had control before: March 05, 2015, 11:30:29 AM




Are you thinking what I am thinking?

Well, the hacker must be very clever then. Or is it experience?

There was 0 red flags. Only thing I skipped off was getting an address signed. He didn't respond.

No I don't have any uncomfortable feelings here. My intentions were genuine and so is yours. I lost 0.75BTC, you lost your account. We are even. :)
We just need to get that hacker.

Same to you :)

A sells to B his account.

A claims it was C who sold it to B and C hacked it.

A provides proof of ownership.    (A - OP, B - me)




A sells to B.

B sells to C.

A provides account was hacked and provides proof of ownership.  (A - OP, C - me)




Of course you need to change password while selling...


This is indeed a clever way of making money, especially the first scenario.

I agree. I think I said this in the past, but I have to repeat this: I applaud those involved how civilized this is despite the amount of money and merde (pardon my french) is involved.

Id like to offer my advice on this. Take it or not I cant judge how important this is for each of you. Pardon me if I address you with your current accounts names it is just simpler for me and should not be take as bias.

MinermanNC I know - as you PMed me - that you are an experienced user here. I will not reveal your other account as you asked, dont worry. Yes, you should have asked for a signed message. Yes, it is understandable that you did not do so. I also agree that the price is somewhat normal. One might argue that the avatar might increase the value, but the trade was up ~3 days which should have given TerraMaster time to raise flags left and right. On the other hand: If I learned anything from past trades -> a hurried trade is rarely good a sign. Some people are just impatient, but usually I would say selling an account that is >600 days old would be a more considered decision. The asking price fell from 1.3 to .75 in those 3 days.

TerraMaster I personally think you have reasonably estblished that you once owned the account. I dont know if theymos will accept it though. There also is another problem. Lets say theymos accepts your proof, it does not clear up who sold the account. As we have seen from the time line of the events the thread which lead to the trade was opened 3 days prior to you noticing the hack. I also think its odd that the password was not reset as a change of password requires an attacker to have the old password. There are several explanations for this, among them (no order)

#1 you staged the hack
#2 your machine was compromised without you noticing and durring that time the old password was obtained by the hacker via e.g. a keylogger. They speculated you would not change the password for a while as long as they are careful in order to avoid raising flags when selling the account.

The lawn mower analogy is a nice picture, but the important difference is that in our digital world we have no faces or can easily change them. How would a judge rule in such a world?

There has been a similar situation in the recent past. It involved a loan though.

Im not sure where I am going with this. Would this be a battle it would be a draw and the longer this is dragged out the higher are the chances that the civilized conversations stop and more time is invested to solve something that might very well be unsolvable.

Do I have a solution? No. I hope I never have to be in a situation like this.
Do I think theymos will be able to solve this? I dont know, this was his opinion on the last case that seems more similar the longer I think about it.

Hey shorena, I did give theymos some extra supporting material, more than I had initially sent you. If he looks at it for a few minutes or so it should be clear to see yes it was mine. And I am trying to be patient. Give things time.

Ok, since this seems to be a question lately of pure speculations lol, the time gap here, this is my second to last post: not that it really matters now...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=967682.msg10656930#msg10656930

I knew that wallet had issues when I wrote that post.. I turned off all processes that had mysteriously appeared. After that I had to work the rest of that day. And stayed busy into the next day on the go. I logged in again late Thursday. The 5th. Posted to unacceptable. That was the last login. Then I did not login any Friday. And had been scanning down my PC just in case. Thought I had got everything ( Trojans) It wasn't until  Saturday that I got this from GMail. or logged in anyways and read it.

Hi xxx,

 Someone recently used your password to try to sign in to your Google Account - xxxxxxxxx@gmail.com.

 We prevented the sign-in attempt in case this was a hijacker trying to access your account. Please review the details of the sign-in attempt:


 Saturday, March 7, 6:37 PM GMT
 IP Address: 185.17.1.82
 Location: Unknown  
 


 If you do not recognize this sign-in attempt, someone else might be trying to access your account. You should sign in to your account and reset your password immediately.

 Reset password  

 Sincerely,
 The Google Accounts team  

From there I went into panic mode and took that PC off line, Pulled the hard drive and separately scanned with another PC using better software and that when I found the backdoor Trojan I had missed initially. Then lastly, when I went to login or post on BCT that's when I noticed he got my accounts AND "scryptonite" account as well. Save that for another battle lol Actually this has been one big blur since I discovered the intrusion into my main PC.

This is more accurate:

#2 your machine was compromised without you noticing and durring that time the old password was obtained by the hacker via e.g. a keylogger. They speculated you would not change the password for a while as long as they are careful in order to avoid raising flags when selling the account.

Anyways, I hope theymos will look at the BTC address and deposit account and deposits made to it from my wallet. If he does he will know what to do.

Look I am not mad at anyone, only the hacker and then myself. Anyone that really knows me in here knows I am cool and knows its me. I have been in this forum 2 years now, seen a lot, heard a lot, learned a lot met some great devs who have been very good to me. Yes it hurts to lose an account 2 years in the making for sure! Like I said, ill just wait and see.

Thanks for the moral support shorena,  :)

Hey shorena,

If you will, look at my TerraMaster profile BTC address. What seems familiar?  ;)  Compare to the "unedited" BTC info I PM'd you, and theymos as well. Send me an undisclosed amount of a BTC a satoshi or 2, and I will tell you exactly how much you sent and the time and date and TrxID #  8) what do they say?... "the proof is in the pudding" of course I will send the satoshi's back right away.  ;D I should have thought of this 2 days ago, could have perhaps saved us all a bunch of grief..

THX!
Lets do it!

PM me  :)

I asked for a signed message, but he didn't reply. At the time of first transaction, however I hadn't, but later when I asked, I got no reply. I gradually forgot about it, since what I was worried of was he running of with the money.

Quickseller too asked for a signed address:


I didn't even get a reply to that PM.

He was acting pretty desperate and I subconsciously thought it was genuine. It was there fo a few days too and everything was just like a normal auction.

Well, I learned a few things at least.


Yeah, it is quite possible that the hacker is an experienced thief and did not change the password then so that no red flags were raised. All the red flags will be raised only after the unfortunate buyer gets it. Zero risk for him.

Or the other view is OP just sold it to me and the password was obviously changed only once.


I am not in a good financial position right now. If I had say a few BTC, I would have definitely given it to you. Atm, all I have is around 0.2BTC.

I am willing to sell this to you for 0.6BTC.

The hacker most apparently got all your passwords by a keylogger. You don't have any decent anti-virus or security software installed on your PC? Nxt time, please don't download anything you get from here.

Till date, I have never downloaded anything to my PC from here.


Please forward the proof you sent to this account too. I would also like to check it.

lol, you downloaded the wallet of an altcoin without even scanning it? I won't do that even if I get drunk.

Posted on the thread by someone else
https://i.imgur.com/PIeTJzZ.png


I also assure that I will not change or edit any posts you made. I will aslo not try to sell this account or provide as collateral to a loan till this issue is done with.

I would not personally sell it to him for a loss. I think there is a very good chance that the account was not hacked. The problem that I see here is that I think there is a good chance the OP is trying to scam the buyer of his former account out of the .75 BTC that it was sold for. If you were to sell it back to him at that price then he loses nothing when his scam attempt failed. If he gets it back at a discount (or for free) then he has successfully scammed for the difference. If the OP wants his account back then he should have to pay some amount above what was paid for it in order to discourage such scam attempts.

Here is a timeline of events that pretty much everyone has agreed to (all times forum time):

March 04, 2015, 03:52:18 PM - MinermanNC posts that he is having difficulty with the malware wallet. This is when his account would have allegedly was compromised.
March 05, 2015, 02:56:48 AM - This is the last post the previous owner made with his account.
March 05, 2015, 11:30:29 AM - [RAIN]Dev lists the account for sale here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=976969.msg10667034#msg10667034). This is roughly 18 hours since the account was allegedly compromised.
March 08, 2015, 01:06:02 PM - The password for MinermanNC was first changed. This is the first opportunity that the OP would notice that his account was hacked if he is in fact telling the truth. This is roughly 4 days after it was allegedly compromised and roughly 3 days after the account was listed for sale. The account has not been used for posting in ~3 days
March 08, 2015, 02:02:18 PM - The new owner makes exactly one post from the MinermanNC account. This post however was in a thread that the previous owner had not posed in the past 14 pages of his post history. I would find it unlikely that the previous owner would have seen the post unless he was looking specifically at the MinermanNC account
March 08, 2015, 11:48:56 PM - The OP creates this thread. This is roughly 10 hours after the account was sold and roughly 4 days since he last posted from the account.

I personally find it hard to believe that someone would not use their account for 4 days and then happen to attempt to login roughly 10 hours after it was sold. I think it should have been obvious not to download that wallet/program blindly. I think that you saw that the program contained malware, made the post claiming to have problems with it and then stopped posting in order to give the illusion that your account was hacked. To me this is just a lazy attempt to scam someone out of .75 BTC.

I think this case is very different from the yussuf89 case. It was much more clear that yussuf89 was hacked then it is clear that MinermanNC was hacked. There is no reason to give back the account just because someone claims it was hacked, there needs to be more concrete proof. Granted, it was not smart to not get a signed message on the new owner of the account's part, but that alone should not allow the OP to get the account back if he did in fact sell it.

I have yet to see proof that the OP even ever actually owned MinermanNC, although Shorena has said that he has seen reasonable proof. I am also curious to know why the OP is not willing to publicly share such proof. He has previously sent a PM giving 1DiR25SPo84sThzTATr27EZEQZLt6hv6tG as his address, and a google forum search comes back with results with all of MinermanNC's posts so I think it is fair to say that the above address was probably at one point in the signature of MinermanNC.

Your theory's are just that! Let shorena confirm I own the account. Some of us do work, and in my case I am a single parent. I don't just sit around 24/7 on bitcointalk eating popcorn all day. I have presented enough here to show my PC was compromised as a result of that bad wallet. No anti virus will stop a forced install of software, it will only detect it after the fact. On that note, as I have said before, I hurriedly installed that wallet ONLY because I saw a post from Suprnova indicating he had a pool ready for launch. I ASSUMED lol, it was cool... AND no!!!! I did not sell my account for the last time, geez!

That address you mentioned was a more recent one I used. Until I found an unedited post with another older signature that I had been using in the past. It is in the hands of shorena and theymos.

I am willing to bet that "raindev" and "blackcatdev" are one in the same person. If you want to help, investigate them  ;) I thought you were here to help?
You have been nothing but a skeptic, and I suppose that's all fair play, but you simply are wrong.

THX

That's cool, Thank you.

No concrete evidence.


May I know which antivirus are you using? Even the free ones detect if a malware* is in your PC without opening it unless you turn of that feature.

* Not all but there is a high chance that Trojan will be detected.


I am surprised to see that your anitivirus even didn't give any warning when you opened it. I do hope you ain't using an old-school antivirus.


How can we believe you? I could fake whole thing happened to you(if it really happened), Quickseller has explained about the "illusion" you can create and hinestly, I think you did it


Who knows you didn't sell your private key with the account?


You understand what *skeptic* means, right? Who accepted *all* opinions/words you said? ???

It is *almost* impossible to prove an hack attack, the real owner should post some valid proofs and specially "tell the truth". I'm sure that if the story was real , theymos would have recovered/give back the account in less then one week to the real owner (like some old cases).

Look I'll say it again,  theymos and shorena have the proof.

Is it necessary to post everything public in here, when the key players already have what they need? I don't expect them to drop everything thing they have on their plate to rush or put me ahead of others issues. ill patiently wait my turn, because in the end, I own(ed) that account, and hopefully it will be restored to its rightful owner as it should. Me.  ;)

If you want the community to believe you then you need to let the community judge the proof for themselves. You are being secretive about your 'proof' which in itself is very suspicious. Scammers have tried to hide portions of proof when they themselves were scammed in order to hide their identity

I will show the proof after shorena has sent a test deposit and is satisfied. The proof is an unedited post of my BTC signature address for MinermanNC, before it was scrubbed by the thief. The entire profile is there, as requested and is the very same address you see now in this new account TerraMaster. I just feel its more proper to let the admins look, test and confirm.

I know you are all waiting to see that proof.. lol,

I didn't think it was up to the community to be the judge and the Jury. This what we have Admins for right?

Quickseller, you would have made a great prosecutor for the court system!  ;D man you leave no stone unturned lol

Great! Check your feedback! I doubt shorena has got any sort of proof you're claiming.

He has it.

I am really thankful to you for making this post. I am really running short of funds atm, and this post will be really helpful in helping me decide.

Thank you once again :)

I made some searching but I couldn't find a post which has 19TDsep1Jhm4VDkbZK28tPze3pXhDwT8V4. When I checked in explorer, it was last used on 2014-04-01 23:09:02(TXID:831654352a0d578137fbbc840430338034ad28746ea351f7f52963723a486aeb)


Just like what scammers do...


Admins are part of the big community. They alone can't be a community, they need everybody and their help. Also, if communtiy don't believe you, you may not be able to do any trades here.


What was in your mind when you wrote this? Be frank! ;)

Just in case I need them, I have 2 coin devs ready to show proof that they have already verified its me MinermanNC. I told them just to hang tight and if needed they will give verification to shorena and theymos. But that should not be needed.

And I was only poking fun at quickseller  ;D  I do like him

I really want to post my proof, and by the way, besides quickseller googling the one BTC signature address, has anyone google'd the one I have in my profile here yet? (hint hint) Believe me its been a profile signature before.....

New 2 people came into this now. Can you give links to their account? Why can't you post proof yourself?


I like you! So you admitted shorena and theymos doesn't have proof now but they might get it if you tell your devs? Interesting. Why isn't it needed? You should post proof here if you want your community to believe you.


Most scammers make fun of the persons who reveal their scam-play.


Are you deliberately avoiding or you didn't see it? Thank you for telling and sorry for the negative feedback. I will remove it once you are prooven innocent.

Incase you are planning change the address, a small warning to you. I have captured your profile https://archive.today/AnssY

Are you an Admin? ... why do you seem so doubtful?, and no, take all the images you need too. I have nothing to hide. I am just giving the Admins time. I only sent them the documents 2 days ago, well 3 with today.. I think lol, and I am not going to bring in the devs that have verified me yet. Like the Admins here, they are very busy people, but in my corner now. Besides I think most know I am telling the truth. People just get a thrill out of beating up others in Bitcointalk. I have seen it over and over, but try to rise above it. I came here looking for help and I have been treated like I have done something wrong. Its like I am the guilty one until proven innocent, I mean, I never ever expected this when I started this thread. But that's ok, Ill do whatever it takes.

Actually I think the most realistic poster in here so far has been the fellow who has my MinermanNC account. And he more than anyone probably has put 2 and 2 together and is torn. And I understand because he got ripped off too. I believe he didn't steal my account, he was duped. He is as frustrated as I am no doubt. I guess I just want to have all doubt removed, that it is my account, for the rest in here. Then we'll go from there.  

I did not reply to this because I did not think it was necessary. As I said before, it proves that you owned the account once, but it does not prove that you did not stage the hack. I dont believe you did. As Quickseller told you and as I told you via PM, it is in your best interest to convince as many people as possible and the best way to do this is to post the proof you have publicly.


To be frank for a second. Your proof also depends on "these types of sites", at least a bit.

I have no problem to send a small amount to 19TDsep1Jhm4VDkbZK28tPze3pXhDwT8V4. Its a shared wallet so you can not sign a message, but I dont think its helping.

TX ID -> 2cd89c2364ca2a1aa1884c1f8f879061335132b3326e1c7dd1b48856e2e42684
link -> https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/2cd89c2364ca2a1aa1884c1f8f879061335132b3326e1c7dd1b48856e2e42684

Quoting:


Did TerraMaster gave you proof that 19TDsep1Jhm4VDkbZK28tPze3pXhDwT8V4 is associated with his account? I couldn't find it when I searched in the forum. Thank you!

Yes, in a sense. They found an old thread that was archived, where the address is in the signature. I was also presented with a screenshot of it. Since it belongs to a service they are unable to sign a message with it. I am a bit vague here, not because I dont know any better, but I think TerraMaster should reveal those information, not me.

I received 0.01172746 via TX ID 632c7ce982285db0cab46bb0339da771f70722e624d3bc22a2bd4250c5040c4a
link: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/632c7ce982285db0cab46bb0339da771f70722e624d3bc22a2bd4250c5040c4a

Its 0.01 higher because of said services policies. I will return the 0.01 to a proper wallet if requested or keep it as donation for my node, whichever suits TerraMaster better. I know you gave me the option to keep it via PM, but I have no problem sending it to any address requested.

Hey shorena,  
yes please keep the difference as a donation to the node, which I did visit your website for that earlier today, pretty cool. And thank you for respecting the privacy of that particular wallet service, it is the active account address that mattered.

As far as posting all relevant data regarding the account MinermanNC. I will begin posting some items later this evening for those who wish to review. Some will be screenshots and some will be links etc. And I will include more detailed data of the actual Trojans found that resulted from the bad wallet download where this all began, regretfully.

THX

EDIT: will post some thing tomorrow. thx

Honestly, I am not yet sure, that you are not staging it. Most of the proof submitted here by you, can easily be faked.

This question I think is still inadequately answered:
Why did you take 3 days to realize your account was hacked?

I didn't understand how you are proving that address actually belongs to you? especially since you can't sign it? All I can see is that you are wearing that address in your profile, but you can wear anyone's address. So where is the catch?

Even if you controlled it once, what is the proof that you didn't stage it. I can, if needed, stage most of the things you did here, including finding an infected wallet for this. Scams are getting more confiscated and my estimate atm is a 60% chance that the account was actually hacked, 30% chance that you sold it to me, 10% chance that you either controlled it once and not now (or you never did).

I think it would be unfair for an administrator to reset the account to OP. It will make the one who was not very careful, get his hacked* account back, all expenses borne by me, who is not willing to do so.

Hey I will post shortly the unedited image of my MinermanNC account with my same wallet address that I still am using now.

I understand your looking for some way to disprove me, despite everything so far and what I plan to post. I know you got took when you bought the account... that's a given. And as far as not logging in, I spent the next 2 days scanning and racing around changing passwords to more important accounts, and ultimately pulled that infected hard drive offline. It was the weekend you know and pretty weather here,,,, like I said and I was very busy with other things. Surely You can provide some addresses etc. to prove your story as well, I don't think we have seen much proof of anything from you end, its been me doing all the work and I am the victim! lol which should become even more obvious today. And I am not staging anything, that is pure hogwash. I am very successful in here as MinermanNC, and as Miner. I have several friends in here who know me, a few good devs as well, you can see my PM's,,, do you really think I would sell my account?? and why? and what about my scryptonite account that got stolen and the pass changed within minutes of MMNC?,,, did I stage that as well? come on now....  ;)

Look I understand your out a few bucks, I am 2 years of work. So what do I do?

My current profile TerraMaster: Image capture courtesy of Muhammed Zakir
Direct Link: https://archive.today/AnssY

http://s22.postimg.org/rjzo928oh/TM_profile.jpg

My MinermanNC profile: Image capture courtesy of "Dnotes" The coin dev of Dnotes coin. feel free to PM him and verify this.

Direct Link: https://web.archive.org/web/20140519215559/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=470155.1320    3rd post down.
http://s6.postimg.org/xv0h9yetd/MMNC_Profile.jpg

Link to my website still active as listed in my profile as shown:
http://coindrone.com/

My other account, "scryptonite" also stolen at the same time. Passwords changed at basically the same time. https://bitcointalk.org/seclog.php

•March 08, 2015, 01:14:22 PM - MinermanNC - password changed
•March 08, 2015, 01:12:55 PM - hallared - password changed
•March 08, 2015, 01:10:48 PM - scryptonite - password changed
•March 08, 2015, 01:06:02 PM - MinermanNC - password changed

My scryptonite account profile from the web as it shows now after the hack.

http://s6.postimg.org/ev6hqcupt/scryptonite.jpg

Link to my website still active as listed in my profile as shown:
http://www.coinnoodle.com/

The confirmed transactions info as confirmed by "shorena"

Your deposit info:

BitCoin 19TDsep1Jhm4VDkbZK28tPze3pXhDwT8V4 0.00172746 BTC 2015-03-13 06:25:53
BTC TrxID: 2cd89c2364ca2a1aa1884c1f8f879061335132b3326e1c7dd1b48856e2e42684

BTC sent back info:

BitCoin 14GXh8khHXd8p4nQRCQdWi7fvHsNCDBkTG 0.01272746 BTC Yes 2015-03-13 11:49:46
Processed TrxID: 632c7ce982285db0cab46bb0339da771f70722e624d3bc22a2bd4250c5040c4a @ 2015-03-13 12:04:30

Yes this is an online wallet, still active, still owned by me, and as has served as my signature address for MinermanNC and now TerraMaster. Verified by shorena.

The actual backdoor Trojan found after the hack/intrusion into my PC while I slept. NOTICE the time/date and source of Trojan. Blackcatcoin wallet QT.
This scan was performed after removing hard drive and scanned using another PC before I went to bed Sunday Night.

http://s6.postimg.org/stt38l7cx/Backdoor_trojan.jpg

I will post later the other Trojans and viruses I found from that wallet install, but will have to load up that hard drive and get a screenshot from malware bytes scan also showing time and dates. I'm sure it will help fill in some of the gaps of time chasing all this down. I have also posted in here earlier other Items such as the associated IP address of the hacker and so forth. Please take a second look at that stuff too.

THX for looking.

MMNC  ;)










 

I will put the address of Theymos in my profile and take snapshots of both and what? I am Theymos?

Can you explain how shorena proved that it is your own address? I can most probably disprove your claim.


As for the MSE snapshot, I had plaenty of examples. Only I switched from Windows Defender (that is its name in WIndows 8.1) to another service which offers better security.
And I think I removed the items from Quarantine.

None of them is a credible proof.

:D


Don't online wallets usually send coins from same address when withdrawing? I couldn't understand this part. Please make the proofs public as much as possible.

OP is too vague and has not provided any credible proof till now.

I sincerely hope, administrators won't make the victim instead. He gave this account low priority, and all this is because of his carelessness and negligence.

No offence.

I am going to fake I am Muhammad Zakir by giving same stupid proofs as you did. ;)

Don't worry. They won't get it back no time soon if they do then. You got well enough time to do a month or 3 sig campaigns to get your btc back.

Done. Didn't bother to take snapshots.

Check my profile. See anything similar? Now you know that I am Muhammad Zakir. ;)  (I am acting like OP did)

Send 0.001 to that address, I will check the receiving address from any block explorers and send the amount to it from my wallet.

I also have alts other than these 2 (if I don't I will pay someone to do it) , and I will confirm from them that this is my account.


P.S. I haven't changed anything (except address just now, password and email). Nothing at all. Deleted none of the posts you made. Yet, you cannot come up with a proper proof?

Now you are really "grasping at straws"  ::)

I wish I was half as smart and clever as all that you described,,, but you lost me. Are you sure your not the hacker? you may be showing your true colors here now,,, you seem to be pretty crafty all of the sudden?  How do we know your not raindev, or even Blackcatdev ?  I think you got some explaining to do of your own.

Prove how much you say you paid some guy for this account and so on... you claim .75 BTC? .. transactions? and where were you and what were you doing when my account passwords got changed? and why did you NOT get proof he owned the account by asking for a signature address yourself?

You have not presented much of anything substantial in here ... at all.

I have been giving you the benefit of the doubt until now. I think everyone needs to demand a little more proof of your pretty lame story of how you came to get ahold of it?

Actually I am wondering if you didn't steal the account to begin with.... How do we know if you didn't steal it? maybe you are raindev and you realized I had started a thread wanting my stolen account back which, immediately got us both negative remarks, and so now you are just trying to save face and somehow get the bad remarks removed so you can continue on trying to sell it off to some sucker? Prove that? I am really having second thoughts about your claim and I think its high time you catch a little scrutiny in here on your claims.

I have presented more than enough for most with any common sense to draw a logical conclusion now. If there is something more I can add to satisfy an Admin, or persons that have realistic questions, and not bogus, farfetched and stretched imaginative type questions, then all they have to do is ask.

THX, everyone else.

I was expecting this kind of behavior. When you can't defend yourself, you go offensive.

I have enough brains to know that none of the proofs you submitted is real. You can't disprove it, can you?

I am not a scammer. And never will be. I busts scams not do that myself. If I hacked your account (which is something I would never do). as you suddenly act to be suspicious, I would have sold it. It is common sense.

I have posted transaction ids of the transactions a few posts back.You can check the timing, amount and anything you like. Administrators will also be able to check the PMs.

The burden of proving that your account is hacked is not mine. It is yours. Yet, you couldn't do that.

You only came forward because the account is worthless with the negative remarks. Plus, I have proven I own MinermanNC, No matter what you say, that address in the screen capture of MinermanNC, IS MY WALLET ADDRESS PERIOD, ....then, now and in the future.

And what about the coindrone.com advertisement in that image capture, a website domain I STILL OWN. I suppose I copied and pasted that and went out and created a website to match? lol that in itself should speak volumes about my truthfulness.  like I said you are grasping at straws.

And to think I was almost a bit sympathetic about your situation... and taking that into considerations, for when all this is over.

Like I said before, and Ill say it again, you could do the right thing and simply return my account at anytime. Sometimes good things come to those with honesty and integrity.

MMNC

No, thats the problem, they send it from another address that also blongs to their wallet system. Its not random, but for an outside it might very well be.

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Like I said earlier you two should considering finding a solution without theymos where you both bleed a little. Its reasonable that you both are the victim here. Sadly its also reasonable that either one of you is lying. I start to understand why some accounts just dont get restored. There is just no way for theymos or anyone else for that matter to know what happend and who should have the account.

I confirm that the address shorena sent Bitcoins to is his. It is an online wallet and he doesn't have access to private keys.

I can't say what to do. IMHO TerraMaster should pay atleast a small mutually agreed amount to get the account back.

Now it's upto you two. Decide what you are going to do and make everything public. I will be watching. Good luck! :)

Edit:


I understood when he sent me the proofs.


(Y).

I think theymos/BadBear should look into the matter and say if it is reasonable to say that the account was hacked or if it is too difficult to say one way or another.

If the OP cannot sign a message from an address associated with the account today, then it would explain his lack of ability to sign a message from an address associated with the account when the account was sold.

I would say the evidence provided and claims to be able to provide in order to prove ownership is circumstantial at best. The timeline is almost a perfect match of someone trying to scam (referring to the OP)

shorena, I sent a pm
THX

It is an onlie wallet. Actually it isn't really an online wallet.


OP might be plausible liar.

Which was the name of this webWallet? blockchain.info ? If he lost his account it is his partial fault because he didn't build a correct security. Now they should find an accord because I don't think an admin will recover his account withouth a valid signed bitcoin message.

Hey Quickseller,
Welcome back, lol ok,not to sound ignorant, but how could I be scamming? and how does a timeline fit into that equation.

And will someone please explain how with both of my accounts stolen MMNC and scryptonite, how it could be possible to have and own the 2 domains associated with my profiles for each account, still evident. There is no way to fake or fabricate those. ( the domains vs the image capture etc.) and remember both account passwords were changed at the same time too! initially.

Ok, I am just scratching my head a feeling a bit bewildered here lol

I appreciate your input!

I am sorry. OP told not to make it public. No, it isn't Blockchain.info. If it is, OP could have sent BTC received from shorena from that address and also sign it. Like I said, it isn't really an online wallet.

You could have sold the account, received money for it and then later came back to claim that it was hacked. You went inactive on the account almost immediately after you supposedly downloaded malware, and then claimed your account was hacked almost immediately after you sold it.  
Like I said, it is circumstantial evidence.

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Out of curiosity, did you ever input your password, or have your password stored on your computer between the time you allegedly downloaded the malware and when it was sold?  

Quickseller,

I have to ask, are you an Admin or someone just passing through lol, I see you have a good trust factor in your profile. I want to respond to your last question, but only in a PM, sorry I have to be cautious,,,, ( I am the one that got hacked) or can someone like Muhammed or shorena vouch for you and then I will respond to your questions. Which are good and I would like to answer.

THX

I am not an admin. If you want to keep the answer to my question private then don't bother giving me the answer because I am telling you now that I do not agree to keep it private.

You also need to know that a PM is not a private message, it is a personal message (a message sent to me personally). Any PM you send or receive can be read by either theymos or BadBear (although I don't think they go around reeding other people's PM's), and theymos can be compelled to provide content of PM's via a valid court order.

If you want information to remain private then you must PGP encrypt it to the recipient's PGP key

The problem is I have less than 0.2BTC right now. 0.75BTC means much to me. I can't give that up willingly.

I don't understand why you don't send ME the proofs that you have? I still believe that the whole thing can be staged. I have been scammed once, and it was quite clever and thought out. Sorry, if you were really hacked, but even if you provide evidence that you once controlled the account, you will have to provide evidence that you did not sell it to me.
The timing is very very suspicious..

Was the password changed just once or twice?

You said you gave priority to other more relevant things, for 2 days, and didn't bother to post here, etc.

Want to know what is the circumstantial evidence that you are talking about? And why is OP being very secretive about evidence?

Posting this so that you don't believe any image he sends blindly.
I am no idiot, and I find a good probability that he may not be a/the victim, he is claiming to be.

(Please ignore that pointer at P, forgot to take it away from there ;)) Didn't bother to attend to the details. Sorry.


http://i.gyazo.com/8a110ce79dc7bc340332d18b4c00bade.png

The gap, length, etc. is exactly accurate. Not photoshopped of course.

All 3 addresses taken from 3 profiles posted in this thread. Unfortunately, Quickseller didn't have one in his profile. ;

You can create a Bitfinx account like I did and check whether you can find anything wrong.


Shouldn't have gone with big amounts, since it gives you an unreal impression. Other than that everything is perfect:

http://i.gyazo.com/05389bb78af2b8b03f56648c8a25723e.png

You can even check the details..
(I think I should have aavoided the .00 part. I think it doesn't appear. Never mind.)


Well, you also understand why I didn't bother to provide images of the PMs between me and the hacker/OP. It is not credible. An administrator can check my PMs.

Still willing to sell this to you for 0.85BTC.

I thought it is worth to you more than that.


Quote from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=497545.0


Well, you couldn't prove ownership properly.

Quickseller is cool. Very good at finding things out. IMHO it makes sense to answer their questions as best as you can.


Im not sure if this will convince you, but I was asked to log into the service where 19TDsep1Jhm4VDkbZK28tPze3pXhDwT8V4 is the deposit address and confirm the address. I will post screenshots here once I did.

The above is quoted from the post where I send coins to 19TDsep1Jhm4VDkbZK28tPze3pXhDwT8V4. Below are screenshots I made while logged into TerraMiners Cryptsy account. #1 shows the transaction ID. #2 shows the deposit address.

https://i.imgur.com/WMKGDEq.png

https://i.imgur.com/nE62UcQ.png

Okay. So he once had controlled of this account.

So here is the next question:
0. Was he really the owner before me (or before the hacker)?
1. Did he stage the hack?



1. OP downloads the wallet of a coin no one has heard of, a brand new coin launched just a few days ago.
2. OP does not scan it before downloading
3. OP does not have a anti virus installed.

4. He didn't bother to change the password after finding that his system has been compromised. He waited more than 2 days, not doing what anyone else would have done? Really?
Anyone here, who wouldn't change the passwords after getting hacked?

He either didn't care, or he is very clever.

If he didn't bother about this, and this is just irrevalent to him, then I suppose he doesn't deserve this account.
0.75BTC is more worth to me than this account is worth to him.

Or he staged it, which is quite probable. The hacker waited 3 days, why? He knew he wouldn't change the password? No. There is just no hacker. Just the OP.

I just want to pick this point and add my opinion to it. The rest is pretty much between you two now. In our (not so little anymore) bitcoin world hackers typically target wallets and bitcoin related accounts. Among those are bitcointalk.org accounts. It is not commong for someone here to change their password on a regular basis. Humans are lazy. We change our passwords if we have to, if our sys admin makes us change them and if we can we just increase the number at the end. This is normal behaviour and huge security issue in larger companies. Thus its perfectly normal for a hacker to assume shared control over the account until they kick the other person out. Shared control allows for scams that would not be possible if the original owner catches wind of the hack. These include, but are not limited to taking loans with the account as collateral - risky, could be noticed - and selling the account. Almost without risk, because it can be done from an "alt" and outgoing PMs are pretty much never noticed. They can also be deleted.

Please dont read to much into it, its just an argument that its perfectly reasonable to assume a hacker does not change the password instantly.

I have discussed that point already a few pages back. It is what intitially I thought.

But, when the chances are your PC is compromised, a normal person will change the passwords of everything that he has accessed from that PC or stored in that PC.

I am questioning that.
My point is, staging the hack will also have the same set of incidents happening.

I have watched this unfold from the beginning, and I would like to interject for a second, though I know it's probably useless. I really didn't think it would be necessary, and had hopes that "TerraMaster" would be able to recover his account without incident. I see that this is not the direction that this is heading, and feel a responsibility to speak for a friend. I know that this will probably mean less-than-nothing, but I am morally obliged to do so, and know that he would do the same for me.

I have been acquainted with "TerraMaster" for a bit less than a year now. I first "met" him in the Fujicoin thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=644601), and continued talking in that thread, as well as pm's about various things, such as his son's senior project (mining, specifically FJC), his testing of a VTC p2p pool (which I participated in), as well as other altcoin discussions, and a couple of irc chats.

I have to say, that my perception of him is that of an honest, friendly, helpful, sincere person. I have obviously had a couple of discussions with him since this started, and I am sure it is the same person. His writing/typing style is somewhat unique, as well as his grammar, and "speech" patterns.

I am totally convinced it's the original MinermanNC. I am aware that some unknown person vouching for another is pretty insignificant in this world of cons, scams, and greed, but I felt I must say something, or feel like very unworthy friend. Take it for what it's worth.

Thanks.

Bump! and I am willing to sell it to him for 0.75BTC, the amount which I bought it for. Since, he was careless with downloading an infected wallet, I don't want to be liable for the same.

In fact I would be happy to restore the account for the amount, but only he isn't interested. Probably he has a few alts and he doesn't care and the account is not much valuable to him. I am only asking him, since I am not in a good financial condition myself. He also mentioned he wouldn't be paying a 'red dime' to get this account back. So, I am not very convinced he did not stage it. Even if he didn't, it still cannot be my fault. My only fault being overlooking a small part, which I regret, over other more important things at that moment.

And which idiot (no offence) will not change the password after downloading some wallet of an unheard coin and finds suitable reasons to believe that something is wrong with it?

First. I am not an idiot, although I made an idiotic mistake with a bad wallet. Again, my first inclinations was that the hacker was after financial data, not bullshit like forum accounts and alike. Yes I changed approximately 15 accounts maybe more very quickly..... the last thing on my mind was bitcoin talk. Even then, the account was gone as soon as I had noticed the hack into my pc via backdoor Trojan. It would have made no difference in any attempt to change password as history showed, the damage was already done on my MMNC and scryptonite accounts. On your part, YOU bought the account foolishly and without any verifications.... so does that make you a fool? no it does not, no more then it makes me an idiot. So please refrain from the name calling.... it will get neither of us anywhere.

Willing to sell it to you for 0.75BTC the amount I bought it for.

So, I just want to make sure I understand. According to your logic here, if someone broke in to my house, and made off with my 60" Plasma TV, then sold it to someone, I would be expected to pay the person back who bought it from the thief? Because I'm thinking that it would be confiscated, and given back to it's rightful owner. I know it's unpleasant, and financially harmful, to be taken advantage of in this way, but seriously, it's like a hostage situation, and it's somewhat ugly. I can understand completely that you want your "money" back... but fair is fair. The noblest thing to do would be to give the "TV" back. Asking to help you out by offering you something so you don't lose your whole amount? Yeah - don't blame you for trying. Expecting to get your whole purchase price back? I think that's a bit of an unreasonable request. If your car gets stolen because you left it unlocked with the keys in it, the person that the thief sold it to doesn't get to keep it just because it was "your own fault". Nor does he get to charge you what he paid for it before he returns it. At this point, any offer made to you would be generous, because no offer should have to be made. But maybe that's just my twisted logic.

Not looking for any arguments, merely trying to understand this better.

No. It is more like he went to the OP's house, paid for it and didn't get a receipt. Then the seller is claiming that he did not actually sell the TV

The analogy would work a bit better if we substitute "passport" (or "ID") for "Plasma TV."

nope because there is no real reason to sell your passport however there are legit reasons to sell your bitcointalk account.

Passports are bought and sold, because valuable.  By buying a passport, one could misrepresent oneself as the passport's previous owner.
Accounts  are bought and sold, because valuable.  By buying an account, one could misrepresent oneself as the account's  previous owner.

A passport has little value outside of identifying the person who holds it & establishing a link with said person's past history.
An account has little value outside of identifying the person who holds it & establishing a link with said person's past history.

Only a person wishing to deceive--to obfuscate his real identity--would purchase a passport.
Only a person wishing to deceive--to obfuscate his real identity--would purchase an account.

There is no legit reason for buying a   passport.
There is no legit reason for buying an account.

Where's the problem?

You are an idiot. An older account has certain features that new accounts do not have. Unless you are doing business with someone, there is no identity to misrepresent.

It is illegal to sell your passport. It is not against any rule to sell accounts.

You are clearly misreprenting yourself as being a newer account when you clearly are not.

Maybe the unique legit purpose is "the signature campaign" I can't imagine another reason to buy an high rank account, correct me if I am wrong.

.@Quickseller  "Certain features"?  Such as?

>You are an idiot.
Lrn 2 polite, fagit.

Signature deals, don't have to wait as long between posts/PMs having an avatar, getting to own something that is scarce/rare.

There is no waiting time for anything but a brand new account, and that time is, as I remember, 3 minutes.  
Sig campaigns?  As I understand it, the account in question was bought for .75 BTC.  Just how much do these sig campaigns pay?

But sure, passports also have uses beyond identifying the holder--I bought a passport to prop up a table with a short leg.
I bought a Sig Sauer to use as a hammer, trying to fix that rickety table, but I guess I'm not much of a carpenter, so passport fix it is :-\
How's that?

You have to wait 6 minutes between posts and can only send 5 PMs per hour which makes it extremely difficult to conduct business, especially when you have close to 4,000 PMs in your inbox. It drops to 74 seconds when you have 15 activity and 60 seconds with 60 activity and still have severely restrictive PMs limits.

You can earn .0015 per post with a hero account so you could make .6 per month by making 400 posts which is not unrealistic

Passports are not scarse and there is no waiting period to get one. If you are a citizen of the country then you can get one. Higher level accounts are scarse and it takes time for them to rank up.

You are only making yourself look like a fool by saying that you would use a passport to fix a table or a stool.

So, let me get this straight, a brand new bitcointalk user has has 4,000 PMs?  ohyou.gif


Where?  Link?

Obviously not, but when you receive 4k PM's over 10ish months then you will have a lot of periods when you need to send many more then 5 PM's per hour.

Most deals do not involve someone asking for a payment address on the 1st PM, most involve asking a number of questions and a good amount of back and forth negotiation. If you are limited to 5 PM's per hour then it would easily take two hours to get a deal done and that is assuming that the only people that ever PM you end up actually trading with you
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=973949.0

OK, asked OP in the sig campaign how he feels about purchased accounts.  Waiting for reply.

Re. PMs:  Oddly enough, there's throwaway email, IRC, TORChat, and, you know, normal email.
Surprised that a community priding itself in tech prowess didn't think of these :-\

BTW, do you buy/sell forum accounts?

These analogies aren't really relevant and are a bit extreme in comparison, but there would be some valid reasons (though rare) to buy a passport but maybe you would disagree. You could buy a passport to evade the law if you've been unjustly or falsely accused of something (I'm thinking Edward Snowden here). Maybe one day the gov will come after bitcoin users for whatever unjust reasons and maybe some people would have no qualms in buying one if they knew they wouldn't get a fair trial. As for legit reasons to buy an account 99% of people buy them for signature campaigns. It's not really comparable to selling your identity. It's just a forum handle. Most of the people who sell accounts are just your faceless average Joes who nobody would even notice if they disappeared or their account was sold. Disallowing the sale of them would just push the activity offsite and underground and that is one of the main reasons they're permitted to be sold in the first place as it's largely unenforceable.

A few replies here.

What Quickseller seems to not be acknowledging is that in principle, the limits/lack of features on newer accounts aren't there just because accounts are like fine wines and need to age a little in order to taste nice, it's because the people who own these accounts are supposed to be limited in this way until they've been around long enough to have proven themselves worthy of greater privileges.  There is a very real sense in which buying and selling of accounts undermines these restrictions.  To emphasize, it's not that in principle newbie accounts are supposed to be limited, in principle its that newbie people are supposed to be limited.  This is carried out by limiting newbie accounts.

Now, I'm not passionate about this issue.  And I understand that the forum rules don't disallow account buying and selling, but I think that in arguing about this it's important to recognize that there's no logical point of limiting newbie accounts unless you understand that as a proxy for limiting newbie people who control these accounts.

In many ways, I see the lack of a ban on buying and selling accounts as a strange kind of loophole in the prohibition on ban evasion.  That is, there's a rule that if you're banned then you're not supposed to buy a new account in order to be unbanned.  But apparently, if you're a newbie, there's no prohibition on buying another account in order to get around restrictions on post time waiting and cetera.

Just my 2 Satoshis.

The limits are to prevent people from scamming. They were instituted as a result of this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=253190.msg2702160#msg2702160) which was complaining about phishing attempts and scam attempts via PM. The reason why people will not try this with a purchased account is that if they are caught trying to scam then their investment will disappear so people have an incentive not to scam with a purchased account (this incentive is not there when you go and create a brand new account and then make a few posts until it becomes a junior member).
There are a good number of people who run their business out of separate accounts from their "main" one.
It is much easier to tell that two accounts belong to the same person then it is to tell that one account no longer belongs to the previous owner. Not only that but there are a number of legit reasons to both buy and sell accounts so there is no good reason to prohibit their sale even if they reasonably could be detected and stopped

That's only true if the scam amount is less than what was paid for the account.  Otherwise the point doesn't hold.  It's certainly not generally true.  I don't think that you can make the argument that "spam" or "trolling" aren't relevant here.  They may not be "scams" per se but certainly part of the restrictions on new accounts is to slow spammer and trolls.


I don't see how this addresses my point above.  There's nothing inherent about a newbie account which would suggest that it should be limited.  The reason to limit a newbie account is motivated as a proxy for limiting the newbie person via their account.


Certainly this is your opinion.  I just bold it to try to highlight the difference between factual claims and opinions.  If you want to convince others that your opinion is correct then you ought to offer a rationale, IMHO.

Sometimes rules can be bent and broken though (sometimes for good and sometimes bad) and not everything is black and white and there are always grey areas. I'm sure everyone of us breaks various rules and regulations all the time, especially if it suits us to or we don't agree with them. I get what you're saying about that some privileges should be earned, but at the opposite end sometimes money can buy you those privileges or help you 'skip the wait', but other rules would still also apply. Break or abuse the rules with that account and you'll likely face the consequences.

By "legit," i mean "without intent to deceive."  Sometimes deception is warranted, but that's not the point here--the point is deception is the goal.  


As far as this forum is concerned, an account is your identity, just like a passport identifies you IRL.  I used the passport as an analogy, never suggesting that a forum account is a passport.  Analogies are just ...analogous.  Don't you agree that a passport is more analogous to a forum account than a 60" plasma TV?  If yes, that's all I set out to say (see my first post), and we agree with each other :)

As far as buying accounts for sig campaigns?  I was going under a naive assumption that people posted because they had something to say, and not to earn some change.  If those paying for sig campaigns knowingly support this sort of thing, some of the credit for bitcointalk's shittening, undoubtedly, goes to them.


If sold accounts wore avatars clearly stating "I bought this account to spam the forum with ads in my sig," I wouldn't mind half as much.  I'm also sure those accounts would not net their sellers quite as much coin.  

I also wouldn't mind it if buying/selling of accounts was not sanctioned by this forum.  Just like I''d be sad if rape became sanctioned in US, "because only a small percentage of rapists are brought to to justice anyhow, so we'll just let them rape right in the middle of the town square--otherwise they'd just do their raping in dark alleys."

Sure does.  Boy Howdy! :D


@Quickseller
http://s14.postimg.org/b7o0zjfpt/betterdeadyots.jpg

Don't waste people's time, friend.  Just own it :)

There is nothing wrong with buying and selling accounts if both parties agree, and the buying party does not have an intention to cheat the community or break any rules or spam the forum.

If an account is all you got and you needed money badly, you will sell it. As long as the buyer is legit, there is nothing wrong with it. I have been in newbie jail for a few months and know how it felt. No idea if it is still there, but there are too many limitations with a newbie account, on PMs posts and even the search!

I am not even wearing a signature now. I am abiding by the rules, and had no such intention when buying this. Near 100% of the posts after I found this incident had happened is in the thread alone.

I am only willing to give it back to him for the money I paid him, only because I can't afford to give it to him for free.

Umm i think you can recover your account here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=497545.0
just sign message and follow the details given in the thread .


Buying selling account is allowed on the forum but selling hacked account is not allowed . if you got caught selling hacked or scammed account you will get ban too .

(Usually) theymos doesn't involve in these type of things.


This is a new rule, obviously made by you or it was a mistake. "Scams aren't moderated" and also if there was a rule like that, I, Marco and few thers would have been banned long ago. I don't think this rule will ever come to existence because it is hard to know what is true and what is not.

What?  I must be misunderstanding you, MZ.  It sounds like you're confessing to scamming people, but surely this isn't the case.

Who did you scam? Are you an alt of FuckIdolPlus? You seemed to be pretty adamant about him not scamming even though it was pretty clear that he did, screenshots included.

When did this very silent thread become the new "lets talk about whether selling an account is ethical or not" thread? Please stay on topic or create a new one.

I think in this case, OP cannot submit a signed message associated with the account? ???
Otherwise this shouldn't be certainly so many pages..

All those who sells hacked accounts will certainly be newbie accounts. There will be no sense in banning that. They will simply create a new account. :P

I caused it. Those two lines were meant to be different but because of "and", you may saw a connection between those two lines. Why I said I, Marco and few other would be banned because there was threads in Meta saying the account was hacked after we sold it. So when geforcelovor said "if you got caught selling hacked or scammed account...", we may have got a ban.


No, I didn't scammed anyone and no, I am not alt of FuckIdolPlus. I wasn't trying to protect her either. I posted what FuckIdolPlus sent me but it all went slightly different, probably because how I talked. I think I must learn to talk English better. Why I doubted symantec was he told he didn't receive keys and he told she was avoiding. Avoiding was clearly seen but telling he didn't receive made me to doubt him a bit. However, I was trying to ask both but I didn't get answets from symantec like I though, however, FuckIdolPlus replied to my PMs. So I could only post what FuckIdolPlus said to me and symantec was just copy-pasting rather than replying. We can take to a new thread if you think I am alt or I was protecting her(maybe in scam accusation?).

@MZ the same happened to me i got negative feedback form quickseller he says that i m alt of tacoman without proving and i m afraid that he will give you the negative trust too i dont know what is wrong with him ..

Given that more of the pages are dedicated to that discussion and that the OP is more or less solved perhaps we can just rename this discussion.

BTW, @hilliarousandco, I know that there a lot of grey areas in real life and that money buys its way to the front of the line in a lot of cases but I do find it a bit ironic that the forum says "no ban evasion, that will get you banned even harder" but then says "well, buying and selling accounts isn't exactly cool, but what can we do about it?".  I guess I find it funny that restricting account buying and selling is considered unenforceable and therefore acceptable but ban evasions are serious shit.

He has put a neutral feedback in my account but I have no problem in it. I respect his action/decision on it. Although, it was never my intention, I will have to accept his feedback.

I don't know about your case, so I can't comment on it and also, this isn't the right thread to discuss it. On a side note, I find Quickseller's feedback as appropriate. I haven't find him leaving feedback without a reason. I think you should contact him to know "why". If you still didn't get a good reply, post in Meta. Remember,  if you are really an alt of tacoman and Quickseller is able to prove it, more negative feedback will come.

Edit:


What shorena said is correct but I think creating a new thread will do nothing because many came and went down but it is worth a try.


It isn't enforceable but I am pretty sure it will reduce account sales.

You just can't seem to except that maybe, just maybe I am telling the truth, what exactly is your problem? Give it up. You are still barking up the wrong tree.  Some say you are straight up and a plus to have around, but you have not given 1 molecule of open mindedness to the possible truth of the facts I have presented. I just don't understand. When I am hero member status again, Ill be sure not to ask you for any favors. You seem to think your view is the only one that counts in here... and of course it has to be the right one, no one else possibly could be right.....

A seller of forum accounts siding with people buying those accounts?  Who would'a thunk?

The issue is not resolved, but I guess I can just read by the discussion and focus on the rest of the thread.

lol  ;D ya really.... I just now caught that actually, amazing

Well, if and when this is resolved, why not just keep the thread open for these types of diverse discussions that are" somewhat related lol or for others needing help as well  8)

Hi, I kind of "know" MinermanNC (the original) from the ongoing, never ending, gaw scam thread from many months ago.

I'm not going to argue about what's transpired here or otherwise, but as someone who has :

1. never sold anything here, so has never sent any BTC address to anyone or posted it
2. Just realized my account is doing pretty good on activity. ;)

How can I ensure in the future that if this happens to me, I can recover my account?

Can i send myself a PM with a btc address i use/own and hope and keep the pm number, will that will work if i get hacked etc?

Is there a thread for posting addresses, even though i understand a hacker could delete it etc? (I had one in my btc setting on my profile, but google only brings up a link to one of my posts from a long while ago, and of course, hackers change this too).

thanks, and sorry for your predicament MinermanNC, good to see you back on the gaw funny farm thread too. ;)

Cheers & thanks all! :)

Give this a go - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996318

Aha, brilliant, thank you kindly sir! ;)

A little late seeing this, but thx owlcatz, and thank you for acknowledging me from the GAW scam thread  ;D yes I remember you as well!

I like the thread you linked and will be using it. It definitely can hurt to have our names and addresses there as well.

I am still working on getting MinermanNC back again one day? Life just hasn't felt the same without it in my crypto world

THX owlcatz!

MMNC  :)

I think most know by now that it is me MinermanNC the original" owner, and this has been proven. Now its just a matter of forming some kind of deal to buy back my account from the fellow who bought it from the hacker, as he feels he was scammed as well too when he purchased it. Which I believe he was.

So like everything else in life its just a matter of time and money lol

Thx everyone for your support.

MMNC  :)

aka

TerraMaster

I am still interested to sell it.

0.45BTC please? I can take 40% of the loss.

If I had some Bitcoins I would have given back to you for almost free. But, I can't.



Clarification: Sell to TerraMaster, no one else.

As soon as you lose control of the account, put a negative trust so that the potential buyer will notice.

also, simply don't download every other thing that you find in the internet. Never download anything suspicious, scan the file always and have some sort of antivirus installed.

MMNC  ;D

This has been going on for quite some time. Did you two come to an agreement?

In the talks. May be in a couple of years if everything works out..



Removed a couple of words, but that is his own words in his latest PM:  ;D

Shorena,

This is actually what I PM'd him yesterday :)


I had offered to split his cost of .75 paid. which would be .375 since we both got screwed and both made mistakes resulting in where we are now.

He came back wanting .45 so I have a little problem with that amount as it stands.

Also, bitcoin is up. on the day he bought my account BTC was $248.00 today its $278.00 so my offer to split based on his purchase price is $93.00 dollars. Now based on todays BTC price my offer would  be .337 = half of his original purchase price in terms of dollars.

That's what I was saying about "keeping the value of bitcoin in mind"

ok, just wanted to clarify what has been said. Also I am selling my home but that can take time. Thought I had a buyer but the deal fell through on their end. That's just the way it goes.

I am not a rich person. $100.00 dollars is a lot of money to pull from a weekly budget, plus I am single parent. My sons needs and household needs come before my crypto hobbies.

THX for being patient, its all I can do.

Just trying to keep the facts clear.

TM
MMNC :)

PS: If it takes a couple of years as suggested, (if house hasn't sold) I will be either bankrupt or TerraMaster will be a hero account or maybe legendary lol  ;D

Alright, thanks for the update. I will be here probably, unless it actually takes years. Who knows.

There are a ton of members here who could spare a dollar or two.

Id be down to donate a little but if we got a decent amount of people to do the same.

wait what? for who, the original acct holder? ;)

Why has bitcointalk not added 2FA support yet? Seems like a pretty easy way to increase security to me

Maybe the replacement Billion dollar forum software will have it, but I wouldn't hold my breath on this SMF board. :(

Agreed on 0.375BTC then. [50:50 instead of 60:40 on lost amount]

No, I don't want a USD adjusted rate. It keeps varying, so please keep it independent. I bought it at 0.75, no USD was involved. I don't exactly care where bitcoin is at now from $50 to $1000, nor I live in the US. Dollar is very insignificant for me, so I'd say we deal fully in Bitcoin.

I have not even attempted to cash in on the account - sell it or participate in a campaign.

It is bargain, if you see that the account's current market value is higher than 0.75, I know someone who is willing to buy it for 1.5-2. No idea about the intention, so I am not selling it to anyone till this is settled.


I am also willing to buy it (your stake) from you for 0.375BTC. (not right now, may be in a month, when I get some?)



I am still assuming that you didn't dupe me. It would make sense, but may be you are not that kind of person.

Pushed up your activity. ;D

Pushed up your activity.  ;D

Thanks! lol  ;)

Still waitin'...

LOL. Editing my watchlist. This is still unresolved?  ::)

I am considering joining luckyfop campaign. 0.08 for 35 posts a month.

You are good because the account will have more activity points. I am also fine with contributing a 25% of all signature payments towards your payment.

Hey I sent you a PM. I will follow up later today with it.

THX

LOL, we're working on it.  :D

Its Official  :)

This is MinermanNC , as of September 1st 2015 I have regained ownership of this account which was password hacked, stolen then sold.

A sincere thank you to shorena for all that he has done in listening and asking the questions that needed to be ask, doing a little legwork to verify both sides of the matter and keeping himself available to help. Without him I would not have my account MMNC back again. He was there and so graciously found a way for us to reach a mutually agreed solution where both parties were satisfied.  ;) Forever grateful! shorena

Also, to the fellow who bought my hacked account, only known as "X" to me  8) simply - thank you for not degrading the account while in your possession and also working with shorena as you did. I realize you were a victim as I was.  No hard feelings!  ;D Best of luck to you. I think we both learned a lot from this experience.

Lets all get back to trying to make Bitcoin and bitcointalk.org forums a little better place to hang out and keep crypto alive and well!

Hats off to shorena  ;) Truly a trusted member here.

THX

MMNC :)

congratulation on getting your account back. the whole dispute actually took exactly 10 pages before it was finally resolved.

btw did you pay or not? I thought the X guy wanted to keep that account and paying you instead. but it looks like I got the facts mixed up.

edit:
might want to edit you personal message there.

Hey thanks! We went to a plan B" You did not get mixed up  ;D Lets just say we both gave a little to bring this to a close. But all's well that ends well, so they say lol

Got that edit in too  ;)

THX