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Ha ha. Didn't realize it was a response to Miracles of Quran.
I am sure there will be posts quoting from the Bible on this thread soon.

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You do

The first miracle of the Bible is the creation, itself. Genesis 1:1,2:Why is this a miracle? Because nobody has a clue as to how it was done. The scientists who talk like they know a little, are only really guessing that the little they know might have a hint of truth to it.

The greater miracle than the creation is the fact that God was willing to, and did, effect a method for saving the greatest part of His creation, the people, when they rebelled against Him. Genesis 3:1-19:What? This sounds like people will die!

The miracle is that God didn't simply destroy people for disobeying. The miracle includes that God is also letting them live for a while on earth although their death was set in stone, so to speak, on the day they ate the fruit. The miracle also includes that God is letting them die so that don't have to continue to live in a world that is no longer perfect.

(Personally, I tend to believe that people are not killed by anything here on earth. Neither old age, nor any damage done to them physically kills them. I tend to believe that death is the mercy of God letting people die when the damage to their bodies becomes so bad that they cannot take it. God is merciful, and earthly death is a form of mercy that God does for people, and one that wouldn't happen if God didn't personally do it for each person when the time was appropriate.)

Later on in the Bible the explanation of the resurrection to a new life in Heaven (the New Heavens and the New Earth) is explained clearly. This is the miracle of the love of God, the mercy miracle, the offer of forgiveness miracle, the salvation miracle, and the promise of Heaven miracle.

Mankind does a miracle as well... at least some people, but not all. The miracle that many people do is that many of them knowingly reject the offer of eternal life in glory that God provides. This miracle, mankind's miracle, is expressed throughout the Bible, as well, right beside the miracles of God.

:)

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Thats why some people got crazy by reading the bible there are so flaws in it. You would read other passages that contradicts the other.

There are no flaws in the Bible. The flaws are in the people... especially the people who look for flaws in the Bible.

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The real miracle is how all those marsupials made it to Australia after the great flood.

I can agree with this.
Bible is really very special and unique book, written through very long period of time- over 1000 years, with over 40 writers etc.
Still, it seems this book is is very consistent and logically arranged, Some believe by certain mathematical principles and rules.
This is already miracle by itself.
There are still many people, millions of them, who after 2000 years still looking for answers in the bible,  about the meaning of life, moral values by which to live etc.
This is another miracle for me.
Bad thing is that people exploit and interpret the Bible in a way that suits them.

I dont have any religion but if i had to choose i would choose christianity (new testament).

As a Greek orthodox I'm glad that my church is not known around the world for something bad it'd done. Not that I'm religious but not all churches are the same. :P

I think YOU Should Reread your Post many time until you don't Understand what you had posted, If you can't Listen other people Opinion about your Book, Then Why You are Posting Shit about other Books? I cant really Understand you.

My high school algebra book was also very consistent and logically arranged by certain mathematical principles and rules.

It must be holy too!

If I want to read something so many times that I can't understand it, I'll start with the Bible. This way it will become embedded in me even more than it is.

The only reason that it is hard for me to listen to other people's opinions in this forum is, the forum is written, not spoken. If it were spoken, then I could listen. Otherwise I read.

What's the matter with you? Are you so unstable in the things that you believe, that when I make total sense it upsets you so much that you want to condemn me for telling you the truth? If I make sense, why not believe me rather than condemn me for showing you the truth? Do you enjoy living a lie?

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My favorite miracle is when Jesus turns water into wine and apparently a very good wine, it would be great having someone with that superpower around, maybe he could also turn sugar and grass into something else. :D

for the sake of equality and the ongoing gathering of religious fundamentalists:

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The guy who wrote that book were on shrooms for sure! Fun-shrooms give a new perspective in a good way

Fair and balanced!

 :D ;D :D

it was written by more than one person.

I am listed as Cristian but I haven't even read more than 10 bible verses in all my life.  :-X

Everything in the Bible cannot possibly be true (some of it happened, but not all), and once you start "interpreting" the fictional stories, then what? You might as well believe that Moses never died and he eventually turned into Satoshi.

the best joke ive heard on this forum so far.. its hilarious

Yes it is funny. The husband of khadijah could not be satoshi indeed...

 :D ;D :D


Why did you lock your thread? I was planning to participate in it, the same way you participate in this one right here... Too bad.

Awww crap, BADecker is here, the Xtian equivalent of the Muslims who shut down the 'Miracles of the Quran' thread when facts got in the way of their delusional comfort-blanket.

Xslims?

 :)

too many request to lock it. and these religious thread is just getting ridiculous. its not helping anyone learn or clear the misunderstandings. but more hate and more misunderstanding.

Too many requests to lock it? Fibber. The only people seeking to lock your Quran thread would be other Muslims, equally afraid of the facts and objective reasoning that you were unable to counter.

Here is a stone-cold fact for you:

You are a person who has been raised to believe in something simply on the basis that you are told to believe in it. That is called indoctrination.

Education, however, is what frees you, and those like you, from your theist indoctrination.

Unfortunately, however, part of your theist conditioning is to fear anything which might require you to maintain intellectual honesty and integrity. This is why you, and those like you from many different religions, will do anything to avoid actually conducting an objective debate about your belief, because theism *requires* a state of persistent intellectual dishonesty be maintained by its adherents.

Otherwise is falls apart under critical analysis.

I have to say... Compared to other forum threads on the internet, most here, coming from either side of a particular subjects are pretty self controlled.

Why would anyone start a thread, then to be forced to lock it if there were no personal threats? Maybe the people asking you to lock it have no self control of their emotion?



The only true deity that makes this particular forum alive is bitcoin. Once you realize this, everything here tastes like a delicious ice cream under a beautiful blue sky...

 :)

Seeing these threads, I'm starting to think that religions were made by quarelling immortal siblings.


that is just an outstanding stupidity.

got messages from both "parties" if i can say. asking me to lock it before it gets out of hands. so i did.

Saying 'god made it' isn't a miracle nor is it a satisfiable answer to the creation of the entire universe and everything in it. I guess sometimes people just turn off their brain and believe what they want to believe.


Fixed.  ;D

One "miracle" included in the bible I very much like comes from the Tower of Babel, during Genesis, which basically describes how god was afraid of what humans might be able to accomplish, should they put their minds to it, now that they were a single people with a single language - that coming from a sadistic, cruel, genocidal, overpowering bully, is quite encouraging. :)

The episode, as described by The Brick Testament (http://www.thebricktestament.com/home.html (http://www.thebricktestament.com/home.html)), now with more Lego:


The Tower of Babel

http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesis/tower_of_babel/01_gn11_01-02.jpg

Genesis 11:1-2

Now all the earth had one language and spoke the same dialect.  When they moved to the east, they found a valley in the land of Shinar.


http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesis/tower_of_babel/02_gn11_03-04.jpg

Genesis 11:2-4

They settled there and said to each other, 'Let's form bricks and bake them.  Let's build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the sky.  Let's make a name for ourselves, for otherwise we'll be scattered across the face of the earth.'


http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesis/tower_of_babel/03_gn11_03.jpg

Genesis 11:3

They used bricks instead of stone, and asphalt for mortar.


http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesis/tower_of_babel/04_gn11_05-06.jpg

Genesis 11:5-6

And Yahweh went down to see the city and the tower that the sons of humankind were building, and said, 'Look!  A single people with a single language, and this is what they start to do!  Now nothing they plan will be impossible for them!'


http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesis/tower_of_babel/05_gn11_07.jpg

Genesis 11:7

'Come, let's go down and confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another.'


http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesis/tower_of_babel/06_gn11_08a.jpg

Genesis 11:8

And Yahweh scattered them from that place across the face of the earth.


http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesis/tower_of_babel/07_gn11_08b.jpg

Genesis 11:8

And they stopped building the city.


http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesis/tower_of_babel/08_gn11_09.jpg

Genesis 11:9

That is why it was called Babel, because there Yahweh confused the language of all the earth.  And Yahweh scattered them from that place across the face of the earth.

why was it called babel? (serious question)
what's the meaning of "babel"?

I assume it comes from the Hebrew for babel, meaning "to confuse", or "to confound", or something like that - as you'd expect from the story. It is also a name used when in reference to the city of Babylon.

The Akkadian form of the word however, from which "Babylon" apparently came from, seems to mean "Gate of God", or "Gateway of the God", if I understood correctly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_Babel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_Babel), and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon). :)

My sister is christian and believes that the earth is flat...

Never underestimate the rampant stupidity that is abundant in all christian folk.

I know a very hard core atheist (and vegetarian) who refuses to believe men ever walked on the surface of the moon. "All staged in a film studio in Nevada!!11!1!! Flag was moving!!1 There is no wind on the moon!!!1!!11!!1 Fake!!!!1!"

I will not, based on that one 'dude', believe every single atheist believes Neil Armstrong was an average B movie actor... But that's just me


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I don't know about the miracles of the bible or any other religious book in that respect but why people need to make fun of any religion?

Can a religion have a sense of humor?

Every religion has some facts which we agree with or disagree with but we don't have a right to mock a religion just because we don't agree with the facts written in their religious book. It's a sensitive issue and IMO, it's not good to talk about it. If I don't agree with any belief, I won't make fun of it as it leaves a bad taste. It's just my opinion and you may agree to disagree.

If I ask an open question and you reply to it I'll respect your opinion...

"Whatever your religious affiliation, Mary is a great symbol of femininity and spiritual perseverance..."  :)

I don't know if you are asking me if I agree or not with this statement. My Avatar shows what I believe in already. Mother Mary was not only the mother of God but a woman whom I respect and love. There are many beliefs and disputes about Mother Mary but no matter what, I love her and she is a lady who is without original sin and is pure in heart.

When I did an image search for your image to know what it was I stumbled upon the statement. It was a beautiful statement so I reproduced it. That is all.

It's you know, what we call BAGEL? 

Jews invented bagels.

That's from Tower of Bagels.

Because making fun of religions is our God Given Right.

I would choose buddhism in a second, i guess its not a religion and more a philosophy but it makes alot of logical sense to me unlike other religions.

We absolutely do have the right to mock religion. Are you even aware of what happens when theists genuinely believe that nobody has the right to mock,disrespect or even question their religion? They are frequently found to be seeking to impress their never-present deity-of-choice by way of brutally murdering those who just happen to be the wrong flavour of their own religion, let alone the barbaric slaughter of intellectuals who may propose objective reasoning and critical thinking take precedence over the conditioned intellectual dishonesty that theism demands.

Oh, sure, YOUR religion ain't like that, right? Right?

But perhaps you need to consider that the same exact fallacious reasoning which convinces you your brand of 'special' is superior to other religion's brand of 'special', is what drives the fundamentalist justification for their heinous acts.

You are simply an apologist for theism and equally as guilty of fuelling hate within the fundie as their own warped belief system, by way of your tacit approval of the notion that nobody has the right to mock or criticise the 'deeply held' beliefs of those who are desperate to feel 'special'.

Sure, believe you are 'special' in a superior way to other theist flavours, which is what you must think otherwise you would elect to follow a brand that you felt was actually the 'right' one, but don't you dare think you are entitled to demand deference and respect for your infantile lack of intellectual integrity.

I don't belong to any RELIGION nor consider myself as a HUMAN as some people here claim themselves as one. Continue your argument as that gives you peace.


Thanks dear.  :)

Great comeback, you sure showed me there.

You don't have to belong to a defined religion to be an apologist for theism. You only need to claim that theism warrants some kind of special 'respect' or deference, which you already have done.

Miracle of the Bible Old Testament Style.


Number of killings in the bible

God: Approximately 25 million

Satan: 60

Maybe it is a translation error: God = satan and satan = god ???

So god is evil, and satan good? my head is about to explode....

heres a video and information about the 25millions kills of God

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com.es/2010/04/drunk-with-blood-gods-killings-in-bible.html (http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com.es/2010/04/drunk-with-blood-gods-killings-in-bible.html)

I was about to say that this has nothing to do with Politics and Society, but then I saw the pic and it made sense. I then read about this being a response to Miracles of the Quran so yeah.

I was wrong in mocking the bible! I have just seen evidence of a real miracle contained within the book, that leads me to believe the bible is completely accurate.

Here, see for yourselves:

http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1428849260-20150412.png

Taken from Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal Comics, http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3702 (http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3702).

You are welcome

 :)

Anyone who posts an SMBC comic is all right by me. My favorite cartoonist is Zach Weinersmith.

What miracles you are talking about buddy? Please give us some examples.

Sure "buddy"... Right here. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1016058.0)


 :)

He has some pretty great comics - easily one of my favorites as well. :)

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Where's Muhammed Zakir?

My fig tree gives me no fruit.
Squirrels strip all fruit from it.
I eat tasty squirrels.

Hahahahaa....nice one. Really liked your reply buddy :)

Other buddies will still find my reply funny, even 2000 years from now... Thanks to the miracle of Subspace communication... (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Subspace_communication)

 ;)

Actually, the miracles listed in the Bible are only a tiny fraction of all the miracles that have been done by God working through Judaism and Christianity.

:)

Me? :-\ I will probably change the avatar, don't forget to change in this pic. ;)


Watching quietly. I don't like to involve in other religious thread especially in this "mocking" thread. No serious discussion, full of hurting comics.

Awwww, are you sad that the religious aren't getting the respect and deference you all believe you're entitled to demand?

Funny how the more educated children are, the less swayed by fairy stories about bronze-age omnipotent super-beings they are. What we are witnessing around the world right now are the dying spasms of theism. There will be more atrocities, no doubt, it is what theists do best to impress their various gods after all, but in time you will all be replaced by minds capable of objective reasoning and critical thinking.

There is no 'serious discussion' to be had about religion, other than that which discusses how it poisons everything.

Not what you are thinking of. I don't like to involve in these discussions because it hurts many people. You have the right to freedom of speech and is your choice to talk/discuss about religion. This is the same for them. They can believe in that religion and let the live so. Why hurt them with comics? I saw another guy saying how he was offended by looking at these posts. Isn't this spreading more hatred?

Nobody has the right to demand to never be offended. Nobody.

Why would ridiculing religion be assumed to be a hateful act, or are you saying that it is the religious who would be filled with hate?

We spread the message of free-thought, releasing people from the shackles of their conditioned minds which are trained to maintain a toxic persistent state of intellectual dishonesty. We are not telling people what to think, we are saying to people they can learn the tools which allow them to objectively think for themselves and feel the release and liberation that intellectual honesty brings.

Mother Theresa, she believed the people she 'cared' for should suffer, that her god wanted them to suffer and that she was performing many righteous deeds by ensuring they did suffer while muttering 'magic' words and making 'magical' gestures with her hands, all the while refusing to permit them medicines or appropriate medical treatment. Intellectual dishonesty doesn't just hurt you, it hurts those who you pretend you are caring for, those who have no idea just how warped your mind is and are tricked into believing what you are doing is actually what is best for them, because you have conditioned them equally to be unable to see the truth of the situation they are in. Surrounded by stupid old ladies who imagine themselves to be 'married' to a mythical super-being.

Making hurting comics and/or teasing is not the way to make others go away from what you hate.

First you remove the sense of entitlement most theists believe they are due. To continue feigning some sort of respect for their conditioned brain-state is akin to telling someone you respect their racism, or homophobia.

You don't begin a conversation with a racist or a homophobe by reassuringly agreeing that they are entitled to respect for their warped opinion. What is needed is a clear definition from the outset that their dysfunctional psychology is not deserving of respect, but needs to be challenged and shown to be the toxic mindset it is. That it is harming them as much as the choices they make in life, when guided by this dysfunction, which harm others.

They tell the same about atheists but they ain't making hurting comics here.

They tell you are wrong but you tell they are wrong.
They tell you have some problem to find the truth but you tell they have some problem to find the truth.
They tell you can't prove God doesn't exist but you tell you can't prove God does exist.
etc
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If you think they are wrong, deal with them peacefully.

Btw, all religious and/or atheists aren't racists. You guys always come up something like this. :-\

We are peaceful, you don't see anybody telling theists they are going to burn in hell etc. The difference is that theism absolutely *requires* one to maintain a state of intellectual dishonesty. The atheist position does not require logical fallacies, the theist argument does.
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I didn't say they were, I said that it is the same dysfunctional mindset required for theism as for racism and homophobia.

We, religious people also prove like in the first scenario. You guys say the same thing in second scenario. This is what racism is.


What you said above is racism when you are telling "dysfunctional mindset". Both scenarios fits for both theists and atheists. Calling yourself functional mindset because they believe in God, means you are superior which is racism. You can't prove God doesn't exists and what we show isn't enough proof to make you believe God exists but still you say God doesn't exist and we are "abnormal".

See, typically dishonest theism statement.

Atheism is not about asserting our lack of belief to be superior to your belief system. Atheism is simply the assertion that your belief system requires logical fallacy and loss of intellectual integrity in order to be maintained, which is an erroneous mindset.


Again, no, Atheism is simply an assertion based on the recognition that Theism is erroneous and intellectually dishonest.

Theists tell you what to think, because they say it is the truth.

Atheists tell you not to listen to somebody who tells you to simply believe what they say, atheists assert that theists can learn the psychological tools to more honestly define reality. We don't have to tell you what that reality is, you are, after all, living your own reality. Unfortunately, however, as a theist you define reality erroneously and dishonestly.

You, like most theists, want to claim we are two sides of the same argument, which is false. You are one side of an erroneously-based assertion. We simply explain that you are asserting your position by way of fallacious reasoning and encourage you to learn critical thinking skills, instead of being told what to think by a system of theism which is based on dogma, not reasoning.

I have researched about difference, similarity and contradictions in different religions and atheims. I found Islam is better and I chose it. Reading Qur'an also gave me good knowledge.

This will be different for differen people. I think you are Islamaphobia, so when you read it, you will always think in a biased way which will always make you feel you are right.* If you think something is wrong/right, it is good to tell wrongdoers they are wrong in a peaceful way. You can always come up with a biased statement just like many theists because you are theistophobia. Happy debating!

* I am not telling what you think isn't right or wrong.

Well I am telling you that in order for you to believe that *any* religious book contains truthful answers to the questions of life you have opted to employ fallacious reasoning or, for that matter, you are insufficiently able to practice objective reasoning or critical thinking.

For you to 'choose' the Islamic version of 'truth' is no difference to any other theism. Your book contains statements which purport to be true, yet common sense would tell you, for instance, that if I were to say to you that I had a vision of a god speaking to me while I was having an epileptic fit, chances are pretty damn likely the experience I had was caused by neurological misfiring taking place.

But because your book is chock full of 'mystical' woo and magic, which you again fail to question sufficiently, you choose to believe that your 'prophet' was, indeed, a messenger spoken to regularly by a god.

Because, you know, he said so.

Your failure to recognise that him saying so is no different, IN ANY WAY, from me saying so, is why your erroneously believing you have a worthwhile investment in that particular brand of intellectual dishonesty, continues to deceive the one small part of your mind that is capable of acknowledging that you're not being particularly honest about how you choose to look at your theism-of-choice.

I get that everybody wants answers to the deep, meaningful, questions. What I don't get is the willingness most show towards simply accepting when one person, or a group of people, profess to have those answers and that all you have to do is accept their word for it. In any other aspect of your life you would not accept that, but when it comes to theism, you give it a 'special' pass on looking too closely at it for fear of seeing all the cracks and flaws it is riddled with.

Here's something for you, to keep this post on topic, most American Christians profess their love of the Bible, particularly the King James Version, which is full of 'thee' and 'thou' and much in the way of olde-worlde English terms and phrases. Except that at the time King James commissioned it, most people didn't actually speak that way anymore, but he specifically required his version of the Bible maintain the old-fashioned-even-for-back-then style of language because he felt, quite rightly it turned out, that people would be more inclined to feel it had gravitas and deep meaning.

So, today, we see the Xtian yanks citing Bible quote after Bible quote with their hearts aflutter at the use of 'thee' and 'thou' etc. etc. completely oblivious to the fact that it is an artificial spin on the original texts.

You can change your avatar anytime. I have already put a contingency plan in place... (https://i.imgur.com/f8fRSQb.png)


I only care about ideas shared in this forum. "Imam bruce lee" represents a set of ideas. It is you now, but we had plenty before you and plenty after you.

I understand the feeling though. When someone makes a joke about sending a car bomb to my neighborhood when I wasn't even involved in a back and forth discussion, it was a little bit disconcerting to say the least...

Well, then we discovered a whole network of drug abusers :)

Looks good. +10.


I ain't Imam. :)


Uh! I had no intention to hurt you. You posted a meme about a car to tease me amd BADecker spread some lie or something(I don't remember correctly), so I took that car into what I said. I apologize if I had offended you. However, posting a meme there made you involve*!in the discussion.

* Cause to experience or participate in an activity or discussion.

Just on the side note, the perfectly atheist commies and their "worshippers" did exactly the same :).

For what you call "racism" some IRL experience used to be enough :).

Ah, yes, the Atheists as Communists schtick, never get tired of hearing that old one.

Atheism is not Communism. Communism is Communism.

Forbidding religion is not the same as educating people enough to intellectually understand why religion is delusional nonsense.

I don't understand what you mean by this, could you expand on it?

Again, it appears you are implying that the Communist practice of forbidding religion is equal to the Atheist position of rejecting the theist assertion for the fact it is a fallacious argument.

Care to explain why?

Commies, in fact were atheists. I'm not saying that all atheists are commies. What I'm saying is some atheists are acting pretty similar way as religious fanatics at their best when someone talking about God in their presence.



If you encounter the same harmful behavioural pattens several times from some ethnic groups then you will naturally form preconceptions.

The world of religion is becoming history and atheism is simply not a bad word anymore. That is what I think led to the current arguments that attempt to tie atheism with something people don't like. Or to try arguing that it is really a religion. A religion without a God?

re·li·gion
rəˈlijən/
noun
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
"ideas about the relationship between science and religion"
synonyms:   faith, belief, worship, creed; More
a particular system of faith and worship.
plural noun: religions
"the world's great religions"
a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.
"consumerism is the new religion"

God does not exist under communism. Yet as social creatures humans need a figure to worship. This is why you have a red square with a gigantic portrait of the one who had replaced God, Lenin, Stalin mummified, etc... The cult of personality under communist societies is the answer of forbidding one opium and replace it with another mummified cancer...

Make up your mind which point you're trying to make here. I don't think anybody claimed that Communists were not Atheists, but there is a massive distinction between being told that religion is forbidden by the State and having the intellectual capability yourself to recognise the multiple fallacies required to maintain a religious 'belief' based on dogma.

As for your "I'm not saying that all atheists are commies", why bring it up then? Atheism is, by definition, *solely* a position held by a person which rejects the theist position on the basis that it is a logically fallacious assertion.

Communism is absolutely some else entirely, but I get that theists like to, as RodeoX quite rightly pointed out, attempt to demonise-by-association a word which has long since lost its negative image as more people have gained the intellectual capability to properly understand what it actually means.

Atheism is a religion like "Not collecting stamps" is a hobby.


That's called prejudice.

But you need to understand the major difference between the fact that knowing somebody is a theist, from which you can reasonably apply a set of values that person must have without ever meeting them, and knowing somebody has, say, black skin, from which you cannot reasonably assert any values as skin colour does not tell you a single thing about the type of person they are.


That's a baseless assumption you are attempting to imply is a fact in order to bolster your position. Being 'social creatures' does not correlate with 'needing' a figure to 'worship'.

The two things are unrelated.

Why can't communism be communism without a centralized daddy like figure to guide its people? Because communism needs sheep to slaughter. That is what history has told us thus far, with millions of dead sheep as proof... Way more than any free, any free market driven societies...

Again with the forced association of atheism with Communism, why?

This is not a discussion about communism, this is about theism and atheism, why are you repeatedly bringing in a social system that is nothing to do with atheism and everything to do with communism?

They are the most prolific atheists in history. Naturally everybody associating atheism with Communism.

Communism isn't just a social system it's a full featured ideology with it's own moral and ethics, basically a kind of religion.

That still does not excuse the repeated attempts to create the dishonest association between Communism and Atheism. The Communists also ate bread, does that mean everybody who eats bread is a communist and a discussion about bread should, in fact, be about Communism instead?

They did not dictate that atheism be the norm in order to promote atheism as an intellectual position, they dictated atheism be the norm because they did not want to lose control of the people to the Russian Orthodox Church.

To question those at the top of any powerful organisation is to be a threat to that organisation.

The Chinese, for example are predominantly atheist, yet they still believe no end of superstitious nonsense because their atheism is not one borne of rejecting theism as an unsound premise because, if that was the case, they would also reject their superstitious claptrap too.

So, yet again, we are back at this situation where you are desperately still trying to make excuses for your false insistence that atheism should be associated with Communism simply because you want it to be in order to paint it as negatively as possible rather than actually being honest enough to acknowledge that Atheism is simply the rejection of the theist assertion, "There is a God", on the basis that said assertion is baseless.

Where does the rejection of a fallacious assertion equal sociopolitical ideology? I'll answer that for you - It doesn't.

Are you ready to be honest about your 'Holy' book's origins yet?

Yep.

Not all atheists are communists, far, far from it. But if you do not belong to the liberation theology mindset, and you are a communist, then you cannot believe in any deity. It is that simple.

Yet we are all wired to believe and trust as social creatures. That is why you have a delicatessen disguised as a mausoleum  with a mummified piece of green meat deity inside, still worshiped by millions...


A strawman is a strawman is a strawman and communism is still a cancer, even for atheists... No miracle cures for that fact. Not even in 2000 years.


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Well, this is only your belief. So, it is your religion. In a test of religions, I wonder whose would show true strength?

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Why the fuck are you still talking about communism? What has communism got to do with this discussion? We are talking atheism and theism, Christianity and Islam's 'holy'books, and you appear to be so afraid of a rational discussion involving objective reasoning that you keep derailing the thread to make multiple posts about communism.

If you want to talk about communism, make a thread for it.

Atheism is a religion because, we don't have enough knowledge to say for a fact that God doesn't exist, and because there is a lot of evidence in nature that suggests that He does exist.

So, is that the way that communism becomes a religion? Is it simply that communists believe that God doesn't exist that makes communism a religion?

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You jokers are so funny when you become emotional in a logical talk.     ;D

BADecker, you are a psychotic troll who either is incapable of forming an intelligent argument or you refuse to. Even other theists see how unhinged and bizarre your assertions are.

My assertions are not a 'belief' they are well-reasoned and supported logical arguments. Atheism is to religion like 'Off' is a TV Channel.

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What is it about theism that encourages so much dishonesty? Don't bother answering that, it is patently clear why it does because it is fundamentally about being dishonest otherwise it cannot survive.

Are you forbidding me from talking about what I want in the thread I created?

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By all means, Willy, talk about Communism if you like, just change the title of the thread to not be "Miracles of the Bible" unless you can somehow tie in Stalinism with a bronze-age eclectic collection of myths and fables.

Then why can't you counter my points with something that makes sense? All you can say is this and that. You don't have anything concrete in your claims, do you?

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I shall not. I like the title the way it is...


And the collection of myths and fables can be found in any little red books...  :)

Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings,

it isn't a debate, Jesus Rules that is the way it is.


Jesus said it best, when he said: 'I am the way, the truth, and the life'

'and no man goes to the father, except through him'




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It was at the time of Jesus. In Moses' time, "no man goes to father except through Moses". It is another twisting statement. You will understand it if you look in-context meaningz

NO MAN, means NO MAN whether it was at the time of Jesus, Moses, Adam, or current time.
Time is irrelevant in regards to that statement.

No man will go to God, except through Jesus.

Numbers 27:23

"laid his hands on him, and commissioned him, as the LORD had spoken through Moses."

...hmm...?

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Also:

Matthew 5:17

"Do not think that I have come to revoke The Written Law or The Prophets; I am not come to revoke but to fulfill."

Deuteronomy 14:8

"And also the pig, because even though its hoof is divided, it does not chew the cud. It is therefore unclean for you. You must not eat their meat or even touch their carcasses."

So why do Christians tell pork is allowed?

So what? God called Moses to do a job. That job was to form the nation of Israel into something that God wanted, and to lead the people of Israel to the land of Canaan which God promised to Abraham and his descendants through Isaac. This is what Moses was doing at the command of God.


There are many nations around the world. How many of them are the nation of Israel? Only one. The ceremonial laws are for the physical nation of Israel, not for the rest of the nations except if it is a lawful thing for that nation in their national laws.

The ceremonial laws are there for Christians who want to obey them, but they are not required. They are also there for Christians to see how the process works from Moses to Jesus.

Jesus was a Jew. He didn't come to revoke the laws that the Jews hold. He came to fulfill them as a Jew.

However, the laws of love are for all people. Jesus and the Pharisees all agreed that the greatest Law is, "Love God above all things," and the second is like it, "Love your neighbor as yourself." Sadly, Islam doesn't always adhere to the second law in its writings... and maybe not even the first law.

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"just_me" told "no" doesn't depend on "time" which is not true. If "no" doesn't depend on time, then how could either be true because God also spoke through Moses just like Jesus. Jesus isn't "alone" in it.


Jesus didn't tell I cam here to fulfill Jews' laws, Jesus told I came here to fulfill laws of previous prophets not to contradict itz


There was no need for this to be here. You are just an islamaphobia.

Islam tells to love your God above all things and also to love, treat, respect and help your neighbors.

God spoke through Moses for the creating and upholding of the nation of Israel, the Jewish nation. This was the way that God blessed all nations through Abraham.


Jesus was speaking to Jews about Jewish prophets. Among them are Moses and Abraham. Chinese prophets aren't included. Neither are the prophets of Islam or any other religion.


Then, consider it a miracle that it is here.  Once I stop showing you how the miracles of the Bible are far greater than any miracles that Islam could even think of, you might not have anyone who is concerned enough about your fate to correct you any longer.

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The sameme way God spoke through Jesus.


Jesus told "previous" prophets. Didn't mention "Jewish" prophets. "Previous" means all who came before. All prophets came earlier are prophets of Islam as all teaches believe in ONE and ONLY God which was changed after the death of prophets in almost all religions. Muhammad(PBUH) completed it.


Miracle? ???

Whats up with the peace be upon him everytime you mention Muhammad? Is it a requirement of Islam when you say his name?

please stay with the topic ;)

why not say it?

you can say rest in peace but you cannot say peace be upon him? lol whats that now?

Perhaps the greatest miracle of the Bible is that all people are forgiven, for this life. This means that unbelievers can continue with much of their unbelieving activity. Of course, if they get too blatantly bad, they are corrected, both for the protection of others, and for the reminder that their salvation is in the balance.

The great miracle of the Bible forgives Vod for his/her unbelief. But if he/she locks himself/herself into it by dying in it, then the great miracle for Vod will be that life was relatively short... probably less than a hundred years. This way Vod won't have to suffer in Hell for any more sins and unbelief than a hundred years worth or less.

Of course, destruction is bad even if the punishment of it is only for a hundred years worth of sin.

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can I contribute with weed? to share? ahaha.

I always thought the greenery in the background was palm branches or something similar.    :D

never... ahaha.

So that is why the congregation is so captivated. The fragrance of weed flows over them.      :D

hearing cut roman 13 every sunday is boringer than you imagine  ::)

Wasn't the whole point about this thread being created in response to the now-closed-because-the-damn-atheists-wouldn't-stop-disproving-our-claims-about-the-koran-itself-being-evidence-of-miracles thread, so that the Xtians could prove their 'holy' book was also evidence of the miraculous?

Simply spouting text from the stories about supposed miracles that took place isn't the same thing. The Muslims claimed that their text contained knowledge that COULD NOT have been known at the time by mortal man, albeit, these claims were rapidly shot down in flames as the absurd string of fallacious arguments they were, but their thread was at least about the claim towards trying to show their book as being more special than yours, Xtians.

So you can't just roll out a list of 'miraculous' events, as this is not the same thing as showing your eclectic collection of highly-edited-over-the-centuries cherry-picked old-and-new testament fables possess within them a quality which, by the mere fact of inclusion, serves as evidence that your book is moar speshul.

At this point it looks like you're losing. Come on Xtians! Make an effort here otherwise your book will, too, simply end up looking like it is, in fact, just a collection of highly-edited-over-the-centuries cherry-picked old-and-new testament fables.

That's because people are listening to the wrong part of the plant, rather than smoking the right part.

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not bad  ;D

Well, there are a lot of people today who claim miracles in Jesus name through the laying on of hands. And while modern medicine won't formally acknowledge any miracles, there are lots of healings in people that seem miraculous, that the doctors simply don't understand the why and the how of.

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not understanding doesn't mean miracle.

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Thank you. I know you have tried it both ways. Now, take Romans 13 apart and see that God isn't telling anybody WHICH government you are to follow - outside of following His, more than any other.

However, if you have made a commitment to follow a government and be a citizen thereof, shouldn't you live up to your agreements? If you don't like the government that you are in, change your agreements and get out of it. Getting out of the government doesn't have anything to do with remaining on or removing yourself from the land.

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It does when it defies common knowledge and understanding. In fact, that is what miracles are all about. From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/miracle?s=t:
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they believe to define?  ::)

nope nope, sometime you believe in good faith that for example your are going to defend and protect the us constitution and bills of rights illustrations of the God Given Rights to all Natural Born American Citizens, however then you discover the Epstein and Clintons of these United States... and you are free, as always, because only in the deepest of your soul can you hope to find the force to be ready to what will come, it's death, and be ready, not a piker, for sure.

edit: most plants don't move because they know it's useless to hide, and they will never be far enough :D.

If you are not part of government, yet you uphold them, you are upholding something outside of yourself.

For example, the 9th Amendment means, that none of the rights that are listed in the Constitution, nor the fact that certain rights are listed in the Constitution, can detract from other rights that people have.

In other words, the Constitution is virtually worthless for controlling the individual activities of individual people, because the people have always had the right to do whatever they want. Just because they allowed a Constitution and Constitutional Government to be set in place, doesn't take away from any of their rights whatever they might be. The 9th Amendment expresses this.

The Constitution and government are for controlling corporations, for protecting property for the people, and for dealing with foreign nations. That's it. Nothing that the government does against any of the people has any effect if the people stand up and use the 9th Amendment.

No need to hide.

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In the first book of Harry potter is say that he would be a great wissard. By the end of the last one he crearly was. Tis proves by any bible standard that Harry potter is real.
if the book says it's true, then it is true

Harry Potter is true fiction. It is fiction. It is true that it is fiction. So, it is true fiction.

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