Miracles of Bible...

[Wilikon]

Not all atheists are communists, far, far from it. But if you do not belong to the liberation theology mindset, and you are a communist, then you cannot believe in any deity. It is that simple.

Yet we are all wired to believe and trust as social creatures. That is why you have a delicatessen disguised as a mausoleum  with a mummified piece of green meat deity inside, still worshiped by millions...


A strawman is a strawman is a strawman and communism is still a cancer, even for atheists... No miracle cures for that fact. Not even in 2000 years.

Why the fuck are you still talking about communism? What has communism got to do with this discussion? We are talking atheism and theism, Christianity and Islam's 'holy'books, and you appear to be so afraid of a rational discussion involving objective reasoning that you keep derailing the thread to make multiple posts about communism.

If you want to talk about communism, make a thread for it.

Are you forbidding me from talking about what I want in the thread I created?

 

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[cryptodevil]

Are you forbidding me from talking about what I want in the thread I created?

 

By all means, Willy, talk about Communism if you like, just change the title of the thread to not be "Miracles of the Bible" unless you can somehow tie in Stalinism with a bronze-age eclectic collection of myths and fables.

[BADecker]

Well, this is only your belief. So, it is your religion. In a test of religions, I wonder whose would show true strength?

BADecker, you are a psychotic troll who either is incapable of forming an intelligent argument or you refuse to. Even other theists see how unhinged and bizarre your assertions are.

My assertions are not a 'belief' they are well-reasoned and supported logical arguments. Atheism is to religion like 'Off' is a TV Channel.

:rolleyes:

What is it about theism that encourages so much dishonesty? Don't bother answering that, it is patently clear why it does because it is fundamentally about being dishonest otherwise it cannot survive.

Then why can't you counter my points with something that makes sense? All you can say is this and that. You don't have anything concrete in your claims, do you?

[Wilikon]

Are you forbidding me from talking about what I want in the thread I created?

 

By all means, Willy, talk about Communism if you like, just change the title of the thread to not be "Miracles of the Bible" unless you can somehow tie in Stalinism with a bronze-age eclectic collection of myths and fables.

I shall not. I like the title the way it is...


And the collection of myths and fables can be found in any little red books... 

[just_me]

Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings,

it isn't a debate, Jesus Rules that is the way it is.


Jesus said it best, when he said: 'I am the way, the truth, and the life'

'and no man goes to the father, except through him'

[Muhammed Zakir]

Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings,

it isn't a debate, Jesus Rules that is the way it is.


Jesus said it best, when he said: 'I am the way, the truth, and the life'

'and no man goes to the father, except through him'


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It was at the time of Jesus. In Moses' time, "no man goes to father except through Moses". It is another twisting statement. You will understand it if you look in-context meaningz

[just_me]

Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings,

it isn't a debate, Jesus Rules that is the way it is.


Jesus said it best, when he said: 'I am the way, the truth, and the life'

'and no man goes to the father, except through him'

It was at the time of Jesus. In Moses' time, "no man goes to father except through Moses". It is another twisting statement. You will understand it if you look in-context meaningz

NO MAN, means NO MAN whether it was at the time of Jesus, Moses, Adam, or current time.
Time is irrelevant in regards to that statement.

No man will go to God, except through Jesus.

[Muhammed Zakir]

Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings,

it isn't a debate, Jesus Rules that is the way it is.


Jesus said it best, when he said: 'I am the way, the truth, and the life'

'and no man goes to the father, except through him'

It was at the time of Jesus. In Moses' time, "no man goes to father except through Moses". It is another twisting statement. You will understand it if you look in-context meaningz

NO MAN, means NO MAN whether it was at the time of Jesus, Moses, Adam, or current time.
Time is irrelevant in regards to that statement.

No man will go to God, except through Jesus.

Numbers 27:23

"laid his hands on him, and commissioned him, as the LORD had spoken through Moses."

...hmm...?


Also:

Matthew 5:17

"Do not think that I have come to revoke The Written Law or The Prophets; I am not come to revoke but to fulfill."

Deuteronomy 14:8

"And also the pig, because even though its hoof is divided, it does not chew the cud. It is therefore unclean for you. You must not eat their meat or even touch their carcasses."

So why do Christians tell pork is allowed?

[BADecker]

Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings,

it isn't a debate, Jesus Rules that is the way it is.


Jesus said it best, when he said: 'I am the way, the truth, and the life'

'and no man goes to the father, except through him'

It was at the time of Jesus. In Moses' time, "no man goes to father except through Moses". It is another twisting statement. You will understand it if you look in-context meaningz

NO MAN, means NO MAN whether it was at the time of Jesus, Moses, Adam, or current time.
Time is irrelevant in regards to that statement.

No man will go to God, except through Jesus.

Numbers 27:23

"laid his hands on him, and commissioned him, as the LORD had spoken through Moses."

...hmm...?

So what? God called Moses to do a job. That job was to form the nation of Israel into something that God wanted, and to lead the people of Israel to the land of Canaan which God promised to Abraham and his descendants through Isaac. This is what Moses was doing at the command of God.

Also:

Matthew 5:17

"Do not think that I have come to revoke The Written Law or The Prophets; I am not come to revoke but to fulfill."

Deuteronomy 14:8

"And also the pig, because even though its hoof is divided, it does not chew the cud. It is therefore unclean for you. You must not eat their meat or even touch their carcasses."

So why do Christians tell pork is allowed?

There are many nations around the world. How many of them are the nation of Israel? Only one. The ceremonial laws are for the physical nation of Israel, not for the rest of the nations except if it is a lawful thing for that nation in their national laws.

The ceremonial laws are there for Christians who want to obey them, but they are not required. They are also there for Christians to see how the process works from Moses to Jesus.

Jesus was a Jew. He didn't come to revoke the laws that the Jews hold. He came to fulfill them as a Jew.

However, the laws of love are for all people. Jesus and the Pharisees all agreed that the greatest Law is, "Love God above all things," and the second is like it, "Love your neighbor as yourself." Sadly, Islam doesn't always adhere to the second law in its writings... and maybe not even the first law.

[Muhammed Zakir]

Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings,

it isn't a debate, Jesus Rules that is the way it is.


Jesus said it best, when he said: 'I am the way, the truth, and the life'

'and no man goes to the father, except through him'

It was at the time of Jesus. In Moses' time, "no man goes to father except through Moses". It is another twisting statement. You will understand it if you look in-context meaningz

NO MAN, means NO MAN whether it was at the time of Jesus, Moses, Adam, or current time.
Time is irrelevant in regards to that statement.

No man will go to God, except through Jesus.

Numbers 27:23

"laid his hands on him, and commissioned him, as the LORD had spoken through Moses."

...hmm...?

So what? God called Moses to do a job. That job was to form the nation of Israel into something that God wanted, and to lead the people of Israel to the land of Canaan which God promised to Abraham and his descendants through Isaac. This is what Moses was doing at the command of God.

"just_me" told "no" doesn't depend on "time" which is not true. If "no" doesn't depend on time, then how could either be true because God also spoke through Moses just like Jesus. Jesus isn't "alone" in it.

Also:

Matthew 5:17

"Do not think that I have come to revoke The Written Law or The Prophets; I am not come to revoke but to fulfill."

Deuteronomy 14:8

"And also the pig, because even though its hoof is divided, it does not chew the cud. It is therefore unclean for you. You must not eat their meat or even touch their carcasses."

So why do Christians tell pork is allowed?

There are many nations around the world. How many of them are the nation of Israel? Only one. The ceremonial laws are for the physical nation of Israel, not for the rest of the nations except if it is a lawful thing for that nation in their national laws.

The ceremonial laws are there for Christians who want to obey them, but they are not required. They are also there for Christians to see how the process works from Moses to Jesus.

Jesus was a Jew. He didn't come to revoke the laws that the Jews hold. He came to fulfill them as a Jew.

Jesus didn't tell I cam here to fulfill Jews' laws, Jesus told I came here to fulfill laws of previous prophets not to contradict itz

However, the laws of love are for all people. Jesus and the Pharisees all agreed that the greatest Law is, "Love God above all things," and the second is like it, "Love your neighbor as yourself." Sadly, Islam doesn't always adhere to the second law in its writings... and maybe not even the first law.

There was no need for this to be here. You are just an islamaphobia.

Islam tells to love your God above all things and also to love, treat, respect and help your neighbors.

[BitMos]

There was no need for this to be here. You are just an islamaphobia.

Islam tells to love your God above all things and also to love, treat, respect and help your neighbors.

1. Alif-Lam-Mim. [These letters are one of the miracles of the Qur'an and none but Allah (Alone) knows their meanings].

2. This is the Book (the Qur'an), whereof there is no doubt, a guidance to those who are Al-Muttaqun [the pious and righteous persons who fear Allah much (abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which He has forbidden) and love Allah much (perform all kinds of good deeds which He has ordained)].

3. Who believe in the Ghaib and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and spend out of what we have provided for them [i.e. give Zakat , spend on themselves, their parents, their children, their wives, etc., and also give charity to the poor and also in Allah's Cause - Jihad, etc.].

4. And who believe in (the Qur'an and the Sunnah) which has been sent down (revealed) to you (Muhammad Peace be upon him ) and in [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel), etc.] which were sent down before you and they believe with certainty in the Hereafter. (Resurrection, recompense of their good and bad deeds, Paradise and Hell, etc.).

5. They are on (true) guidance from their Lord, and they are the successful.

6. Verily, those who disbelieve, it is the same to them whether you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe.

7. Allah has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearings, (i.e. they are closed from accepting Allah's Guidance), and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be a great torment.

8. And of mankind, there are some (hypocrites) who say: "We believe in Allah and the Last Day" while in fact they believe not.

9. They (think to) deceive Allah and those who believe, while they only deceive themselves, and perceive (it) not!

10. In their hearts is a disease (of doubt and hypocrisy) and Allah has increased their disease. A painful torment is theirs because they used to tell lies.

11. And when it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "We are only peacemakers."

12. Verily! They are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive not.

13. And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not.

14. And when they meet those who believe, they say: "We believe," but when they are alone with their Shayatin (devils - polytheists, hypocrites, etc.), they say: "Truly, we are with you; verily, we were but mocking."

15. Allah mocks at them and gives them increase in their wrong-doings to wander blindly.

16. These are they who have purchased error for guidance, so their commerce was profitless. And they were not guided.

17. Their likeness is as the likeness of one who kindled a fire; then, when it lighted all around him, Allah took away their light and left them in darkness. (So) they could not see.

18. They are deaf, dumb, and blind, so they return not (to the Right Path).

19. Or like a rainstorm from the sky, wherein is darkness, thunder, and lightning. They thrust their fingers in their ears to keep out the stunning thunderclap for fear of death. But Allah ever encompasses the disbelievers (i.e. Allah will gather them all together).

http://www.noblequran.com/translation/surah2.html

[BADecker]

"just_me" told "no" doesn't depend on "time" which is not true. If "no" doesn't depend on time, then how could either be true because God also spoke through Moses just like Jesus. Jesus isn't "alone" in it.

God spoke through Moses for the creating and upholding of the nation of Israel, the Jewish nation. This was the way that God blessed all nations through Abraham.

Jesus didn't tell I cam here to fulfill Jews' laws, Jesus told I came here to fulfill laws of previous prophets not to contradict itz

Jesus was speaking to Jews about Jewish prophets. Among them are Moses and Abraham. Chinese prophets aren't included. Neither are the prophets of Islam or any other religion.

However, the laws of love are for all people. Jesus and the Pharisees all agreed that the greatest Law is, "Love God above all things," and the second is like it, "Love your neighbor as yourself." Sadly, Islam doesn't always adhere to the second law in its writings... and maybe not even the first law.

There was no need for this to be here. You are just an islamaphobia.

Islam tells to love your God above all things and also to love, treat, respect and help your neighbors.

Then, consider it a miracle that it is here.  Once I stop showing you how the miracles of the Bible are far greater than any miracles that Islam could even think of, you might not have anyone who is concerned enough about your fate to correct you any longer.

[Muhammed Zakir]

"just_me" told "no" doesn't depend on "time" which is not true. If "no" doesn't depend on time, then how could either be true because God also spoke through Moses just like Jesus. Jesus isn't "alone" in it.

God spoke through Moses for the creating and upholding of the nation of Israel, the Jewish nation. This was the way that God blessed all nations through Abraham.

The sameme way God spoke through Jesus.

Jesus didn't tell I cam here to fulfill Jews' laws, Jesus told I came here to fulfill laws of previous prophets not to contradict itz

Jesus was speaking to Jews about Jewish prophets. Among them are Moses and Abraham. Chinese prophets aren't included. Neither are the prophets of Islam or any other religion.

Jesus told "previous" prophets. Didn't mention "Jewish" prophets. "Previous" means all who came before. All prophets came earlier are prophets of Islam as all teaches believe in ONE and ONLY God which was changed after the death of prophets in almost all religions. Muhammad(PBUH) completed it.

However, the laws of love are for all people. Jesus and the Pharisees all agreed that the greatest Law is, "Love God above all things," and the second is like it, "Love your neighbor as yourself." Sadly, Islam doesn't always adhere to the second law in its writings... and maybe not even the first law.

There was no need for this to be here. You are just an islamaphobia.

Islam tells to love your God above all things and also to love, treat, respect and help your neighbors.

Then, consider it a miracle that it is here.  Once I stop showing you how the miracles of the Bible are far greater than any miracles that Islam could even think of, you might not have anyone who is concerned enough about your fate to correct you any longer.

Miracle?

[CoolRunnings21]

"just_me" told "no" doesn't depend on "time" which is not true. If "no" doesn't depend on time, then how could either be true because God also spoke through Moses just like Jesus. Jesus isn't "alone" in it.

God spoke through Moses for the creating and upholding of the nation of Israel, the Jewish nation. This was the way that God blessed all nations through Abraham.

The sameme way God spoke through Jesus.

Jesus didn't tell I cam here to fulfill Jews' laws, Jesus told I came here to fulfill laws of previous prophets not to contradict itz

Jesus was speaking to Jews about Jewish prophets. Among them are Moses and Abraham. Chinese prophets aren't included. Neither are the prophets of Islam or any other religion.

Jesus told "previous" prophets. Didn't mention "Jewish" prophets. "Previous" means all who came before. All prophets came earlier are prophets of Islam as all teaches believe in ONE and ONLY God which was changed after the death of prophets in almost all religions. Muhammad(PBUH) completed it.

However, the laws of love are for all people. Jesus and the Pharisees all agreed that the greatest Law is, "Love God above all things," and the second is like it, "Love your neighbor as yourself." Sadly, Islam doesn't always adhere to the second law in its writings... and maybe not even the first law.

There was no need for this to be here. You are just an islamaphobia.

Islam tells to love your God above all things and also to love, treat, respect and help your neighbors.

Then, consider it a miracle that it is here.  Once I stop showing you how the miracles of the Bible are far greater than any miracles that Islam could even think of, you might not have anyone who is concerned enough about your fate to correct you any longer.

Miracle?

Whats up with the peace be upon him everytime you mention Muhammad? Is it a requirement of Islam when you say his name?

[Netpyder]

Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings,

it isn't a debate, Jesus Rules that is the way it is.


Jesus said it best, when he said: 'I am the way, the truth, and the life'

'and no man goes to the father, except through him'

please stay with the topic

[Netpyder]

"just_me" told "no" doesn't depend on "time" which is not true. If "no" doesn't depend on time, then how could either be true because God also spoke through Moses just like Jesus. Jesus isn't "alone" in it.

God spoke through Moses for the creating and upholding of the nation of Israel, the Jewish nation. This was the way that God blessed all nations through Abraham.

The sameme way God spoke through Jesus.

Jesus didn't tell I cam here to fulfill Jews' laws, Jesus told I came here to fulfill laws of previous prophets not to contradict itz

Jesus was speaking to Jews about Jewish prophets. Among them are Moses and Abraham. Chinese prophets aren't included. Neither are the prophets of Islam or any other religion.

Jesus told "previous" prophets. Didn't mention "Jewish" prophets. "Previous" means all who came before. All prophets came earlier are prophets of Islam as all teaches believe in ONE and ONLY God which was changed after the death of prophets in almost all religions. Muhammad(PBUH) completed it.

However, the laws of love are for all people. Jesus and the Pharisees all agreed that the greatest Law is, "Love God above all things," and the second is like it, "Love your neighbor as yourself." Sadly, Islam doesn't always adhere to the second law in its writings... and maybe not even the first law.

There was no need for this to be here. You are just an islamaphobia.

Islam tells to love your God above all things and also to love, treat, respect and help your neighbors.

Then, consider it a miracle that it is here.  Once I stop showing you how the miracles of the Bible are far greater than any miracles that Islam could even think of, you might not have anyone who is concerned enough about your fate to correct you any longer.

Miracle?

Whats up with the peace be upon him everytime you mention Muhammad? Is it a requirement of Islam when you say his name?

why not say it?

you can say rest in peace but you cannot say peace be upon him? lol whats that now?

[Vod]

[BADecker]

Perhaps the greatest miracle of the Bible is that all people are forgiven, for this life. This means that unbelievers can continue with much of their unbelieving activity. Of course, if they get too blatantly bad, they are corrected, both for the protection of others, and for the reminder that their salvation is in the balance.

The great miracle of the Bible forgives Vod for his/her unbelief. But if he/she locks himself/herself into it by dying in it, then the great miracle for Vod will be that life was relatively short... probably less than a hundred years. This way Vod won't have to suffer in Hell for any more sins and unbelief than a hundred years worth or less.

Of course, destruction is bad even if the punishment of it is only for a hundred years worth of sin.

[BitMos]

can I contribute with weed? to share? ahaha.

[BADecker]

can I contribute with weed? to share? ahaha.

I always thought the greenery in the background was palm branches or something similar.