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http://78.47.168.188 (will get a domain name soon)

This is a cooperative gambling game. Your goal is to grow the biggest fish, feeding it with bitcoins or other fish.

Pay attention that it's important to save a link with a secret code in your Favorites to be able to log in later.

The game is in open beta testing. If you face any issues you can PM me or send a letter to the game owner at bargheimer@mail.ru.

PS: The name of my fish is "Qubic Forum", it's a clickable hyperlink. I fed the fish with 1 BTC and it's the biggest one at the moment, it's a good chance to advertise my project :).

If I hit control-a (select all) I see an invisible fish swimming around.  What's that about?

User error, but I suspect it'll be common. I clicked continue before I actually saved the link thinking I could do it after I closed the dialog. I don't see a way to get it back now.

It's fish with weight less than 0.1 BTC. Such fish are invisible and can't bite or be bitten.

If u didn't deposit bitcoins then just register once again.

Done, I guess it is ok to have multiple fish with the same name since it let me?

It's ok.

I think you'll get more interest if you don't wait for confirmations to make things happen. Just make confirmations required before cashouts are enabled if you are worried. Or, make some higher cut off for requiring confirmations. I figure a lot of people will just want to see real quick that it is responsive and what it does etc. Also, 0.1 is pretty reasonable, but you could make that dynamic or just lower temporarily.

Every deposit will be distributed among all the fish very fast, coz they are supposed to bite each other quite often. It seems impossible to sort out the whole mess and find which bitcoins were confirmed and which weren't.

@FreeMoney

I see that u registered using my fish as a referred one. I wish u luck, coz 10% of ur winnings will go to my fish. Now I have to go to sleep. I hope tomorrow my fish will be bigger... :)

I just threw a few fish into the pond. This should be fun :P

Ha, I just picked the biggest ally.

Makes sense about the coins spreading, ultimately you take the risk. But action is definitely reduced by having to wait.

My fish doesn't seem to have grown for this tx:

http://blockchain.info/tx/83c3a00fa6d2d2de145fd0f4a54770ad85d3365f9af95783c3bd4af52bf4e53e

Oops, I made the same mistake and deposited 15 cents...

Is there any reason the code can't stay in the bar until you leave?

Maybe it shows up in browsing history and you can recover that way?

OK I think I found the URL. Let's see what happens after the deposit's been confirmed...

Sweet game :)

Somehow i'm at -1.5 BTC, how is that even possible?

Huh, some kind of bug, it fixed itself when I refreshed.

Freemo fish still missing :-(

Good point.


Relog into the game. The weight should be correct after that. I'll send this bug to the game operator.


It'll be fixed after the operator wakes up.

err... joined, sent a tx, waited for the first confirmation, then "The supplied URL contains an incorrect code!" --- It was all good up to the first confirmation...

edit: who _is_ "the operator" ?

edit b: The tx i sent in ended up getting sent on to the same address as the one freemoney didn't get paid for, and it looks like all the other working (and quietly not working) fish...

PM me with the name of ur fish and withdrawal address, please.

Bargheimer. He is not registered here but can often be found at BTC-E.

Yes. That's how Blockchain.Info Merchant API works. The issue with FreeMoney was fixed.

After playing a bit, it definitely would be more fun with instant deposits. To combat theft, you could put withdrawals into a "pending" state on accounts that have not had their deposits confirmed yet.

Aye. Instant deposits would make it more interesting to play. Unfortunately, "pending" state doesn't solve the issue with double-spend attack, coz anyone can play with 2 fish. So if malicious fish loses an attack then the other (legit) fish will get double-spent bitcoins on its account and can withdraw them.

Click on it. If ur fish is visible and its weight is less or equal to the victim's weight, then u bite it.

Well... The advantage of having the biggest fish is just to show that u r the biggest fish :) Or to advertise ur website.

Ur yellow ally just grows when u bite successfully, green ones help u grow when they bite successfully.

10 invisible fish have just received 0.1 BTC gift. They r visible ...now.

Lol apparently teh boss liked it (http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/the-biggest-fish-pretty-cool-javascript-game/).

This guy is awesome!



I luv his writing style  ;D

can you please explain further on the yellow fish? I have bitten successfully a few times and my yellow fish has remained at 0.

A yellow fish grows only if it's visible. It's made to avoid cheating with 2 fish controlled by 1 player.

Freemo is alive.

Advertising really works. I've known a lot of interesting websites.

Thank you for your help to test the game. Withdraw your funds plz and PM me with found bugs. If some bitcoins wasn't deposited then PM me with your tx id.

The game will be moved to other platform and should be released in a day or two.

That was interesting to watch. Piuk deposited 5 BTC, a few fish tried to bite him and he grew to 7.5 BTC. Then MPEx deposited 5 BTC, sucessfully bit Piuk and withdrew coins. :)

I look forward to seeing it up after the break :)

Curse you MPEx :) Cool game, would be good if you could choose a fish avatar.

Yeah, diversity would be cool. Also seems like the fish size could scale a bit more smoothly.

The game moved to http://78.47.168.188

A domain name will be set soon. Use the new server, plz. The old one will be shut down tomorrow and all bitcoins will be sent to the corresponding withdrawal addresses.

Many this can get more traffic by doing a faucet type thing.  Can let people make minnows or guppies for small price(say 0.002) and only 1 per IP address that can bite fishes once or twice per day for a chance at tiny  amount of BTC(.0005 or whatever), but can't get eaten- and the drawback would be they don't have names or links.  Not sure if that can work w/ your software or not.  Maybe more traffic for adertisers.  Game is interesting, nice job.

Other visual and possibly small monetary events would be cool, like fish food falling that a random nearby fish eats. Or (maybe not feasible at all) people have to race to click the food to eat it.

I <3 it, fab game, maybe a bit more graphics when the bites/fights are on would work well, churning water & blood splatterings etc

I would totally buy this game and use 0 conf. PM an offer if there is any chance.

Aye, I wish there are some monetary events. There is an octopus in the new version (http://78.47.168.188/). I don't know what it's for though.

Good idea! This would solve the issue with waiting for a confirmation.

Send a letter to bargheimer@mail.ru. He is sleeping now, so don't expect an instant reply.

Ah thanks, I assumed you were the owner and hired tech help. So that email is the owner and tech and you are PR?

I just helped him to add Blockchain Merchant API into the game and started this thread coz he is unable to post in this section.

Armory generated a new address for my fish, it came back: 1CARPmrVm4aFum4WSTnGUkWTz6eenrNDT5

Coincidence?

Does choosing an "ally" fish as a referrer confer any advantage at all to the person doing it?  If not, why do it?

Yes, it's just coincidence. :)


The only real advantage I see is to help ur friend to grow.

I've got a good description of The Biggest Fish gameplay - http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/the-biggest-fish-revisited/

...is a good idea, coz yesterday I was trying to withdraw my winnings but someone had eaten me right before I hit [Withdraw] button :)

Unfortunately, new server is off to resolve issue related to acceptance of payments. I'll post here when it's on.

EDIT #1: We are still waiting for a reply from support. Server is on but deposits are disabled.

EDIT #2: Deposits are enabled now.

At Mr. Bargheimer's request, here's a link to a discussion of TBF strategy (http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/the-biggest-fish-revisited/) so people can comment.

From the blog:

What about such a situation:
Alice has 100 BTC, Bob has 100 BTC.
Alice bites Bob and loses => Bob has 150 BTC, Alice has 50 BTC.
Alice deposits 100 BTC => Bob has 150, Alice has 150.
Alice bites Bob and loses again => Bob has 225 BTC, Alice has 75 BTC.
Now, even if Alice wins next time, she will get back only 112.5 BTC, but she already lost 125 BTC.

The point is that the odds to lose is higher than to win. Am I right?

oops I sent a few Satoshis to yesterday's fish game earlier before refreshing the browser & checking here

If it was AFTER this transaction - http://blockchain.info/tx/37be84ec7bc95852754f10a62f98a95cfaad80eecfc8f23ae3f02dbadd5529f9 - then PM me with ur tx id.

I see there is a chat in the game now. Cool!

Not seeing it.

Clean browser cache. CTRL+SHIFT+DEL.

Why is there a nameless fish with 0 visible?  I thought they had to be .1 BTC to be visible.

Fish with "0" is the very 1st fish which is used to join the game when there are no other fish visible.

There's currently a 6 BTC a 3 BTC and a bunch of little fish.

The rules should show somewhere before you join.

pretty cool IMO.

totally about to make a Micon fish + a sealswithclubs fish... maybe Freemoney beat me to it  :)

So IMO lets say I had a really big fish, like 55 btc or something 10x what the "big" fishes were

- so like, everyone is going to take a shot and bite me - what are my exact chances for survival?  is it supposed to be +EV for smaller fish to bite larger?  so having the largest fish is -EV and just to fly your flag? (I sort of love that model)

- or is it really balanced?  if i drop a headshot of BTC on my fish is it fairly impossible to bite, unless a guy comes along and lets just say makes his fish 45 vs. my 55 and takes a few bites, will he likely 1/2 me after a few shots?  or after his 1st shot I take 1/2 and his next shot is only 1/2 as powerful?

I NEED MORE INFO / really cool / got me thinking for sure. 

The instructions, such as they are, say the odds of winning are proportional to the size of the fish.  So the tiny .1 fish attacking the 50 BTC fish has a very small chance of winning.  However, when the tiny fish wins, he wins 25 BTC, and when he loses, he loses .05.

1% goes to the house and it looks like 10% to someone else's fish if you click on that, so I'd click on the 0 fish to start.

The same math as playing other gambling games should be applied. If u compare TBF to SatoshiDICE, u can notice that it's the same game. The only difference is that SatoshiDICE uses its own money to pay winnings and TBF uses money of other fish... er, players.

Btw, 10 BTC vs 20 BTC gives only 33% chance to win, not 50%, so gameplay looks perfectly balanced - more ur risk, higher ur reward.

Someone has just tried to win against 3 BTC fish. Attacked it with 30 small fish 0.1 BTC each. Now 3 BTC became 4.5 BTC.
It seems to me that a lot of attempts with small fish give less chances to win than one attempt with all powers.

vs the 4.5 fish is a 4.4 fish the best shot?

If u need the highest chance than 4.5 is the best. Adjusting weight of ur fish u adjust winnings VS risk ratio. But don't split ur attack on 2-3-4 stages, coz ur victim will grow between attempts and winnings VS ratio will become worse.

ok i shipped .1 coin to my fish:  1N4mSQSX8cgQshjYnVoSy7NjaTr8szFr8L

then lost a bite, then shipped .11 more and now.... nothing...

+ I made a "MiconFISH" / sent coins to it but accidentally closed the browser - gone forever?

Not forever. PM me with ur withdrawal address and transaction ids.

We need a history of battles, sometimes I don't know if the transaction fail or I died when I'm not seeing

It's in development. Will be added tomorrow.

 ;D

Yep, history would be really cool, if possible can it be backdated somewhat too as I went to sleep about 10 hours ago & after playing & partying forgot what balance I left on my 2 fish, I thought I withdrew them down to 0.1 each but that seems unlikely as amazingly they were both alive this morning with balances of 8.143 btc & 2.155 btc, they actually made more money for me when I was asleep than I made for myself yesterday when awake - beginners luck maybe, perhaps someone kept attacking but lost many bites in a row & kept putting in 50% more each time or something or maybe I left higher balances up on them like 6 btc & 1 btc - would be great to see this last 12 hours history or if anyone could let me know, many thanks, cool game!

Edit: A few fishes had allied me so that may have helped, I'm sure it did so many thanks to those - especially if they were doing lots of bitings.
Edit 2: Just found a note which says 1.5 btc & 0.5 btc left, so could well be that those were the balances that I had left them on last night.

1)  Love OP / has been helping ppl using the fish-system with attentive PM's.  Kuddos / damn fine operation so far

2) I am mutli-tabling fish game in 2 browsers.  

3)  just ran SealsWithClubsFISHY up to .3 btc / 2x successful bites / huge fucking day IMO


really love this unique / cool btc gaming site.  I hope OP scoops up a domain + somehow can make this my screen saver, and the option when both are only to play a game of rock paper scissors to decide the bite...

I'm just spit-balling here, but this is cool.

edit:  totally addicted, 4-tabling fishes...

We has updated the server. Press Diary icon near Octopus. It stores last 100 entries.

I just typed in a bunch of nonsense and it said I joined the game. Perhaps use some kind of input validation for bitcoin addressses.

Aye, after we add all planned content we polish the game.

Cool project by the way. Hope it nets you some bitcoins!

This seems pretty important, people will pay you and not be able to get paid if they mess up an address. Address validation is not hard.

We backed this up with the secret code. They can PM me with their login link and I or Bargheimer send the coins.

What is 'offense' -0.05 mean in my history?

I would assume it means I attacked a fish, but that amount isn't possible and I didn't click a fish.

edit: n/m that amount is possible, so I must have clicked a fish? err, I was .101 so actually I couldn't lose .05 because I can't click a .1 fish. Plus I didn't actually click a fish.

totally hooked / have army of SWC fish now...

Q:  is my fish visable / clickable / at all times or only when I'm online in browser?

I would think it's visible whenever it has at least 0.1 BTC.

You can check this for yourself by closing one of your tabs / browsers and checking in the others whether the corresponding fish winks out of existence.

Minor improvement. Fish you can't click don't need the % shown, would clean it up a tad. Especially as it gets crowded in this ocean!

Also minor.Tthe black text on the fish is sometimes hard to read because of the black lines on the fish when I'm zoomed out a ways.

congrats on your biggest fish / did you buy it or un-seed the largest with a successful bite?

It means that u attacked someone and lost. With .101 weight u would lose .05 coz weight loss is rounded down, and weight of ur victim doesn't matter coz u lose half of ur own weight.
Is it possible that u clicked other fish by accident? Has anyone had the same issue when fish bites by itself?


True, fish visibility depends on weight only.


% should be visible, if u see 62% it means that the fish has 38% chance to win versus u. If the ocean is too crowded... eat the fish! :)


Bargheimer is going to change the color later, he is working on new content now.

I put 2 coins in and everyone else did the rest :-)

Ah, ok I guess that makes sense.

I did realize I can zoom pretty far out to get less overlapping, but the text does get small.

And, ahhem, I can't eat any fish at the moment.

Is only one fish big sized now or is it a static or dynamic threshold? Is there a bigger size we haven't seen yet?

It's a static image. The biggest one. Usualy only 1 fish is the biggest, but sometimes there are a few fish with the same weight.

PS: The Chest has been added. Click on a free slot to put 1 BTC which will be subtracted from the weight of ur fish. Click on a coin image in the chest to get 1 BTC back.

Sweet, for some reason I really like that way. I just went slumming, lost every time, but now I'm biggest again anyway hahaha.

New update:
Every bite can be rewarded with a Latin letter which goes to an attacker. Odds scale depending on the attacker's weight up to 100% for the heaviest fish. Later the letters will be used to purchase items.
NB: Click on a letter in the Chest to throw it away if u have no empty slots to store coins.

Next update:
Item Shop.

A miniupdate has been applied.

Now, if a yellow fish is invisible then its referral bonus is collected by Octopus. After 1 BTC collected it announces Jackpot. Anyone who bites after that has 50% chance to get the jackpot.

Where did you find the instructions?

I'm wondering what happens to the 10% if I click the 0 fish to start.  I'm guessing it just goes to the house, and I don't end up keeping any more of my winnings than if I clicked a 'real' fish to start.

U r right. 0 fish won't give u extra coins. This 9% goes to Octopus and paid as Jackpot.

In the middle of the bottom row, there's a "Click here to read how to play" link.  It may not appear until you have made a deposit.  It doesn't appear pastable.

I has been watching an interesting battle. MPEx had grown to 15 BTC when Otoh attacked him. Otoh lost like 15 BTC, MPEx became 30 BTC fat. Then Otoh fed his fish up to 30 BTC and successfully bit MPEx. That was quite insane. Though Otoh got his coins back and MPEx lost nothing.

It's really entertaining, we could have a diary/ranking of all battles? octopus still has free tentacles: D

There is something like Top10 planned. And some other Statistics...

Say you win, then 50% of the other fish gets shared out, say it's a 20 btc fish, of the 50% ie 10 btc then 90% of the won weight goes to you ie 9 btc, 9% goes to your allie fish (yellow one) ie 0.9 btc & 1% goes to the house ie 0.1 btc, if you choose the 0 fish to start as your allie then the house gets that or now it goes to octopus for a jackpot bonus pool, but if you run a few fish then obviously it's advantageous to click on one of your others for an allie & use those further up the chain to do the biting.

Instructions are shown in game at the bottom of the screen, after you have joined the game "Click here to read how to play"

Edit: btw it is recommended to always click on an Otoh fish for your allie as they will bring you much luckks & also will leave you in peace rather than possibly attempt to martingale you ;)

Hehe.  I was watching your battle with MPEx earlier.  MPEx got up to 50+ BTC, and you re-deposited up to 28 BTC or something, but then someone suggested you think again about risking so much, and it seemed you took his advice.

Now I see MPEx is back down to 20 BTC.  I can't tell whether he withdrew, stashed a lot in the chest, or was bitten successfully.

As for martingaling, I'm not sure it works in this game.

Long boring exploration of how the biting works:


Does that look about right?

What items will be in the shop?

Not so many at the moment, but u can offer. If it's not difficult to code and doesn't ruin the balance, then ur items will be added into the game.

I think MPEx got up to 30.883, I deposited up to 28 odd but heeded the advice not to bite again, then I added the exact amount to equal MPEx's 30.883 so that we were 50/50 chance of win lose again, then I sacrificed many virgins & bit to win 13.898 on my attack fish plus 1.389 on my own other referral fish, so 99% of half the total MPEx weight was 15.287 btc the other 1% of it going to the house 0.1544 btc

Yep you can exactly equal someone's else's weight to attack/defend for 50/50 chance, re martingaling one would use another fish of one's own as allie to referral the 9% of any wins to, so effectively you get 99% overall of any wins (& the house gets 1%) & on losses you lose the normal 50% - whether your opponent is collecting 90% of that or 99% is up to them, it will be on a different fish anyways.

In your example: Suppose there's a 32 BTC fish and I want to use martingale betting to eat it.

I load up 32 BTC too (if I'm not allowed to bite an equal, load up with 31.999 instead, but assume I can bite an equal).
Yep you can np.

If I lose, I'm 16 BTC down, and the 32 fish now has 48 BTC (let's ignore the 10% that doesn't go to the winner for simplicity's sake).
Just taking a look at it with the actual figures to see, so opponent fish now has 46.4 BTC

So I deposit another 32, to match the 48 fish and lose again.  I lose 24 BTC
So I deposit 30.4 to match the 46.4 fish and lose again. I lose 23.2 BTC

Now I have 24, the big fish has 72, I need to deposit another 48 to match him, and I've lost 16+24 = 40 BTC in total
I have 23.2, the big fish has 67.28, I need to deposit 44.08 to match him, and I've lost 16+23.2 = 39.2 BTC in total

Now if I bite him and win, I don't get back the 40 BTC I'm down - I only get 36, so I don't even break even.
Now if I bite him and win, I don't get back the 39.2 BTC I'm down - I only get 33.3036, so I don't even break even. Correct

If I lose this 3rd attack as well, I lose a further 36, making my total losses 40+36 = 76, and after redepositing, both fishes are now 108 BTC.
If I lose this 3rd attack as well, I lose a further 33.64, making my total losses 39.2+33.64 = 72.84, and after redepositing, both fishes are now 97.556 BTC.

If I win the 4th attack, I win 54 BTC but I'm already 76 down.  So it looks like the longer I go without winning, the further and further I fall behind, with no chance of getting my losses back.
If I win the 4th attack, I win 48.29022 BTC but I'm already 72.84 down.  So it looks like the longer I go without winning, the further and further I fall behind, with no chance of getting my losses back. Yep so it seems. One would need 2 consecutive wins to come out ahead.

I guess the cause of this is the house's 1% cumulative fee & the fact that 10% of the opponents wins is not left on the same fish (9% to an allie & 1% to the house).

Edit: I corrected my numbers.

New update:
The Shop has been added with 3 items to test it. To buy an item u must have the letters of its name. Letters that u have are highlighted.

Next update:
Some items for the shop. Bazaar for those who wish to sell their items and letters for bitcoins (added/subtracted from the weight of a fish). Should be handy to swap letters with other players.

whoa, I clicked my 'E' and it dropped away, I had no idea, why did it do that?

It's by design. To get a free slot if u need it to store something else. If there were Scavengers at the bottom they would pick the letter.

I love you.

Scavengers? 

So I can just buy the biggest fish right?  just deposit enough to make mine bigger just to floss it?

The biggest fish doesn't give u free letters. U have to attack someone to get a letter.
Bigger fish = better odds to get a letter after an attack (even unsuccessful one). The odds scale up to 100% for the biggest fish. If ur fish is 57% of the biggest one - ur odds are 57%. Keep in mind that it's not profitable to buy 2 fish and bite each other non-stop, coz u lose 1% of ur money each bite.

I ask to add in a log a name of fish opponent. I want to revenge  ;D

I've noticed that ppl use 2 different strategies to "earn" coins playing TBF:

1. Deposit a lot of coins and bite one of the biggest fish. If they lose they deposit more and try to martingale. If they win they withdraw all coins.
2. Eat all small fish. If they lose they deposit small amount and bite again. If they win they withdraw a few coins to be able to bite the smallest fish.

There are also some ppl who don't care about money and play for fun. They bite everyone they can or wait someone bites them. If they lose they deposit coins. If they win they withdraw their own money and leave the rest in the game.

I'm confused.  If only the attacker has a chance of getting a letter, how can the biggest fish have a 100% chance, since he can't ever be the attacker.

Can you maybe get a letter if you're the one being attacked, if you win?

Maybe it's all explained on the rules page, but I still can't find it.  Is it really the case that the rules aren't available until after you start playing?

Sometimes there are 2 "the biggest fish" coz they have equal weight. It's allowed to bite a fish of the same weight.




If u join the game u can find the rules after u click on "Click here to read how to play" at the bottom. But there is very little information.
It had been planned to launch a simple game where fish just bite each other, but then the developer changed his mind and now is adding new content and has no time to write the rules. It's supposed that ppl get the details reading this thread coz the game is not advertised somewhere else.
I have no clue when the developer is going to publish the rules. Here is a part of his plans:
- Bazaar (sell your letters/items to other players)
- Housing (buy a piece of water and build/defend your own paradise [Time Management + Tower Defense])
- Mini-games (different mini-games like lottery, slot machines, labyrinth and so on)
- Shares (invest into mini-games and get your part of the profit)
- Coliseum (train a fighting fish to win in championships)
- Global Events (Pandemia of Rabies, Order vs Chaos war, Invasion, ...)

PS: If u need any details regarding game mechanic don't hesitate to ask me. If I don't know anything I'll ask the developer via Skype.

I've got 4 jackpots today (4 BTC)!
I love this game!!!

My "Qubic Forum" fish disappears every hour. Someone keeps eating all small fish. Looks like a profitable business...

a productive day no doubt.

http://s16.postimage.org/rh42k8onp/fish_lol.png

Will there be an API built?

I'd like to have some fish re-feeding bots set up by mid-December

OK.

1. Get the list of visible fish (id, name, website, weight)
2. Bite a particular fish
3. Get Diary entries (with ids to know who ate ur fish)

Requests will be sent as HTTP POST with POST parameters. Responses will be sent as JSON.

Is it enough?

I was only half-joking.  I feel we will need cash-in address as well to make this work... I can understand keeping withdraws manual.

Anyone know how to script me up a bot to keep topping up a fish that gets bit?  May just make it rain Miconfish...

Forgot about cash-in.

4. Withdraw bitcoins.
5. Put 1 BTC into the chest.
6. Take 1 BTC from the chest.

Did you just take a photo of your monitor?!

That's obviously a picture of his home aquarium, he was just showing how similar they happen to be.

I can do that for you.

The API's not ready yet, he's just listing the features it will provide.  But when it's done I'll make you a bot to keep your fish fed.

Dooglus, as I'm sure you have already theorized, I will need a fully autonomous army of regenerative fish that when given the signal will attack with the ferocity of 1000 armies.

So like a botnet but made out of fish?  A fishnet perhaps?  Kinky...

I see that the browser loads all fish, even invisible, would happen if someone created 1000 fish at the same time? I think this could affect the performance of the game, is this controlled?

Yes. It's contolled. If u skim thru the HTML source u can notice a piece of code

It will be uncommented when a lot of fish affects performance. Now all fish is processed to assess a limit of fish on one screen.

 :)

A lot of small fish with 0.05-0.09 weight has been fed. Just for fun. Should become visible soon...

I corrected the numbers in my previous post:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=127159.msg1358978#msg1358978
Dooglus is correct in that a Martingale strategy doesn't work at all well on TBF game.

Hmm I was just about to withdraw of 0.214 or so I got after I deposited 0.1 And successfully attacked upwards.
Which was my only intention to risk twice, then if win then withdrawal, I wasn't going to attack another two
And on to withdrawal I misclicked a fish. There should be a *are you sure* Instead it rushed out.
I then tried clicking a different fish to divert or to stop its process, and instead attacked the 41% lost half,
then 6% and lost all of it. I was going to click withdrawal and take its amount out   :(  but clicked the fish above it, opps.
It was hovering just above, but slipped. I doubt you would do a refund, but again the bad design of the game
shouldn't be me to blame. Usually when you do a bet on satoshidice, you have to type, then click submit,
then click sumbit for fee. Like three steps. This was opps misclicked above, Game over. Not really fair,
at least make it impossible for fish to go to bottom of the screen or near it so that doesn't happen.

Which wasn't my intention.
Oh well, I guess it was my mistake.

It wasn't like 0.2 was a fortune or anything. But I am certainly annoyed, things need to be updated, and changed.  

It is kind of a 'sloppy' interface, but it is appropriate for this game imo. You were trying to get away but you bumped into a fish, whoops. The money you have in a fish is always at risk anyway. If you hover, the tooltip will come up and if you click then I think it means you are safe.

True, But I was going to cash out immediately, I wanted to take out 0.214, but I didn't want to click it.
Its like I am going to press cash out on the slot machine, and there is a small green circle for cash out,
and  big red buttons circle around the green button. I have to be very careful to not press a red button.
And if I do opps I lose everything. Far as I know slot machines, and many other sites, make sure this
is extremely easy process.


The odds of my fish happen to be decided to be eaten upon within 5 secs of wanting to withdrawal we are taking millions to one?

I agree. Thank u for ur feedback. I'll report this to Bargheimer.
PM me with ur BTC address plz. I think ur loss should be covered, coz u r the 1st person who reported this bug.

Wait, I'm confused. I was thinking cashout was on the octopus, but it's actually a link down at the bottom.

I'd imagine much, much more likely than millions to one.  A million seconds are about 11.57 days, so if on average there was only one bite every 11.57 days, the odds of someone biting your fish in the very last second before you withdrew would be 1 in a million, assuming that it takes you no more than a second to do a withdrawal.

In fact, fish strike many times a day (the site owner might know the exact number) and it probably takes the average person more than a second to click withdraw, choose their amount and hit the "Withdraw" button.

The fact that your fish has enough to withdraw also greatly increases the likelihood someone will want to attack it.

I often double or triple click on a fish that I had only planned to attack only once, especially if I have 2 windows open at the same time on a split screen in order to get the cursor live on the other window & end up doing 2 or 3 bites in quick succession when I'd rather do 1 bite then reload my balance to match the other fish if I lost before making a second attempt, it's my fault & I should have learned by now to be more careful as I've done this repeatedly but if there was either a confirmation pop up for each attack or a delay of 10 seconds or something before one could re-attack the same fish then that would solve this, but if it interfered with smooth game play for others then np as I do think now I will not make this same mistake again but expect that others will get caught out by this though. Even some other place to click in order to be in attack mode again (one's own fish, octopus, a base line spot) would stop inadvertent multi-bites, or a choice of single shot/bite versus repeater/automatic mode would be ideal as a setting for one's fish so one would need to click somewhere (anywhere) other than the fish just attacked before re-attacking it when in single bite mode.

I loaded up a bunch of windows / loaded a fish I think to bite you Otoh and it 3x-bit

that being said I am still a huge supporter of Biggest Fish and think it's awesome.  I'm sure the "multi-bite" issue will be fixed quickly.

I gave a promise to provide support service for this game, but unlike u I think it's developed in a wrong way. The initial idea was very simple - fish bites each other. But the developer changed his mind and now is developing a lot of extra (useless from my point of view) content. Bargheimer is working on player-ran shops atm but I'm afraid only a few bitcoiners will be interested in such content.
He has an idea to add a lottery, slot machines and similar stuff. A key feature will be ability for players to become shareholders, so anyone can be an owner of their own casino. I think this idea worth to be implemented as a standalone game/service. If some of u helped me to convince Bargheimer to suspend developing of TBF and switch to implementation of the idea, it would be great. I'm looking forward to become a shareholder of a casino.

I'm often finding my fishes with a negative balance, usually like one has now of -1.601 btc so I just don't feed those, but I see now I have another with a whooping -8.632 balance so there is some glitch going on here, I haven't tried refreshing but will in a few hours when I have to reboot anyway.

Edit: yep agree, best to get the game working as best as possible first before rolling out a bunch of add ons & embellishments that there doesn't seem to be the potential demand for as yet, a simple game where 99% is returned to the players is the way to go imo & then when there's lots of interest add a few new features but anything that dilutes the 99% I can't see working atm, best to get a better history up so that ppl can see just who it was that bit them & take revenge if they choose.

Edit 2: a Micon fish has a tasty 8+ btc on it atm :P
but it's siesta time for me now (& digesting Cosby time too)

Edit 3: I do quite like the free letters & will be interested to see what happens when they can be exchanged or traded & the jackpot of unclaimed allie bonuses seems like a good idea to encourage more bitey behaviours.

It's a known unfixable bug. When u switch to other tabs a browser makes invisible webpages to sleep. When u switch back u get a lot of doubled responses from the server. Reloading fixes the issue.

is there any way i can change my website, i misspelled the url

Yes. Withdraw all coins, create a new fish with correct url, deposit coins. It's the only way.

How about picking another developer? I can work for you :)

Too late. I gave a promise, so I ought to support the game anyway. :)

Yes, it would be almost impossible for someone to accidentally make a bet on SatoshiDice wouldn't it...

rofl, SD should require photo ID and a notarized intent-to-bet form mailed in.

keyword *almost impossible


Still happy it occurred  :)
And BTC went up, it seems I have even more $$$.

You should read my entire story of how 3.5 BTC became 46 BTC.

I went to buy a card 7970(26.5), I bought 28 BTC.
So my balance should of been 1.5+3=4.5 BTC.
But I have 46 BTC. So I made 46-4.5=41.5 BTC

12.80X41.5=$531.2

I made $531.2 xD

Long story short: u robbed SD investors  ;D

The delays can be a bit frustrating here.  This transaction has 3 confirms.

f4307b31a9b31682af4b2d9898edc3f3ad5946997198e0d0fe702cbdecf2801c (http://blockchain.info/tx/f4307b31a9b31682af4b2d9898edc3f3ad5946997198e0d0fe702cbdecf2801c)

Yet no visible fish.

Now it's 16 confirmations.  Something's broken. 

We use Blockchain.Info API to accept payments. Their service receives coins and resends to our address. Sometimes the service hangs, this has happened in your case. Sorry, but the only thing I can do is report your issue to Blockchain.Info support. Also I can send you your deposit to the withdrawal address, PM me, please, if you don't wish to wait when Blockchain.Info pushes your funds.

I don't know, but somehow I have purchased a 5970 and a 7970,
another card now. And I have 54 BTC xD

Whatever it was seems fixed now.  I have experienced such delays in the past, too.  If it's a blockchain issue, their API needs to be updated.

Not grown for this: https://blockchain.info/tx/7a8184a64a862b0104cdc8eb8266217895203b019f2b84bf86ff12a989319184

I sent with bockchain.

The same issue as previous one - Blockchain.Info didn't resend the coins. I believe this will be fixed after Blockchain.Info support kicks their server, but  these delays annoy me. If u need ur funds urgently PM me plz and I'll send them to ur withdrawal address.

@ All:
I think we'll move from Merchant API to good ole bitcoind.exe JSON-RPC calls...

The game will be shut down. Bargheimer had been going to change the gameplay (players were supposed to catch fish, then let it fight to select the best one, then take part in tournaments against other players and make bets) but I convinced him that bitcoiners are not appropriate audience for such kind of games. :)

U can continue to play the game for a while if u wish. When I need my server back I'll stop the game and will transfer the funds to supplied addresses.

:(

wish you bought domain for this, went big & kept building.  Was really fun the few times played, would be interested in buying the software

Too bad whoever invented this game came up with a good idea, then did a bunch of dumb shit to fuck it up, and is now abandoning it.

Hope someone comes up with something similar.

Maybe Micon will buy and relaunch it. :)

this game is awesome. i've just robbed 2wieX of like .7BTC, with my fish named "ineedmoneymorethanu"


damn you Luckybitcoincasino..

Was. I'll switch it off soon. Need the server to host other project.

that sucks. when will you be switching it off?

In a week or two...

moar fish need to jump in the pool for me to eat! i demands it

a fish named ChickenNWaffles has just utterly owned all the other fish... he ate everyone, including me :(

Can you bring this game back? It was quite fantastic back in the day :P

If you can afford to buy its sources for 9 BTC you could launch it by yourself.

I'd pay BTC1 tops :P

I bid BTC1.5  ;)