The Biggest Fish - cooperative gambling game!

[tbcoin]

I has been watching an interesting battle. MPEx grew to 15 BTC when Otoh attacked him. Otoh lost like 15 BTC, MPEx became 30 BTC fat. Then Otoh fed his fish up to 30 BTC and successfully bit MPEx. That was quite insane. Although Otoh got his coins back and MPEx lost nothing.

It's really entertaining, we could have a diary/ranking of all battles? octopus still has free tentacles: D

[Come-from-Beyond]

I has been watching an interesting battle. MPEx grew to 15 BTC when Otoh attacked him. Otoh lost like 15 BTC, MPEx became 30 BTC fat. Then Otoh fed his fish up to 30 BTC and successfully bit MPEx. That was quite insane. Although Otoh got his coins back and MPEx lost nothing.

It's really entertaining, we could have a diary/ranking of all battles? octopus still has free tentacles: D

There is something like Top10 planned. And some other Statistics...

[Otoh]

The instructions, such as they are, say the odds of winning are proportional to the size of the fish.  So the tiny .1 fish attacking the 50 BTC fish has a very small chance of winning.  However, when the tiny fish wins, he wins 25 BTC, and when he loses, he loses .05.

1% goes to the house and it looks like 10% to someone else's fish if you click on that, so I'd click on the 0 fish to start.

Where did you find the instructions?

I'm wondering what happens to the 10% if I click the 0 fish to start.  I'm guessing it just goes to the house, and I don't end up keeping any more of my winnings than if I clicked a 'real' fish to start.

Say you win, then 50% of the other fish gets shared out, say it's a 20 btc fish, of the 50% ie 10 btc then 90% of the won weight goes to you ie 9 btc, 9% goes to your allie fish (yellow one) ie 0.9 btc & 1% goes to the house ie 0.1 btc, if you choose the 0 fish to start as your allie then the house gets that or now it goes to octopus for a jackpot bonus pool, but if you run a few fish then obviously it's advantageous to click on one of your others for an allie & use those further up the chain to do the biting.

Instructions are shown in game at the bottom of the screen, after you have joined the game "Click here to read how to play"

Edit: btw it is recommended to always click on an Otoh fish for your allie as they will bring you much luckks & also will leave you in peace rather than possibly attempt to martingale you

[dooglus]

Edit: btw it is recommended to always click on an Otoh fish for your allie as they will bring you much luckks & also will leave you in peace rather than possibly attempt to martingale you

Hehe.  I was watching your battle with MPEx earlier.  MPEx got up to 50+ BTC, and you re-deposited up to 28 BTC or something, but then someone suggested you think again about risking so much, and it seemed you took his advice.

Now I see MPEx is back down to 20 BTC.  I can't tell whether he withdrew, stashed a lot in the chest, or was bitten successfully.

As for martingaling, I'm not sure it works in this game.

Long boring exploration of how the biting works:

Suppose there's a 32 BTC fish and I want to use martingale betting to eat it.

I load up 32 BTC too (if I'm not allowed to bite an equal, load up with 31.999 instead, but assume I can bite an equal).

If I lose, I'm 16 BTC down, and the 32 fish now has 48 BTC (let's ignore the 10% that doesn't go to the winner for simplicity's sake).

So I deposit another 32, to match the 48 fish and lose again.  I lose 24 BTC

Now I have 24, the big fish has 72, I need to deposit another 48 to match him, and I've lost 16+24 = 40 BTC in total

Now if I bite him and win, I don't get back the 40 BTC I'm down - I only get 36, so I don't even break even.

If I lose this 3rd attack as well, I lose a further 36, making my total losses 40+36 = 76, and after redepositing, both fishes are now 108 BTC.

If I win the 4th attack, I win 54 BTC but I'm already 76 down.  So it looks like the longer I go without winning, the further and further I fall behind, with no chance of getting my losses back.

Does that look about right?

[svost]

New update:

Item Shop.

What items will be in the shop?

[Come-from-Beyond]

What items will be in the shop?

Not so many at the moment, but u can offer. If it's not difficult to code and doesn't ruin the balance, then ur items will be added into the game.

[Otoh]

Edit: btw it is recommended to always click on an Otoh fish for your allie as they will bring you much luckks & also will leave you in peace rather than possibly attempt to martingale you

Hehe.  I was watching your battle with MPEx earlier.  MPEx got up to 50+ BTC, and you re-deposited up to 28 BTC or something, but then someone suggested you think again about risking so much, and it seemed you took his advice.

Now I see MPEx is back down to 20 BTC.  I can't tell whether he withdrew, stashed a lot in the chest, or was bitten successfully.

As for martingaling, I'm not sure it works in this game.

Long boring exploration of how the biting works:

Suppose there's a 32 BTC fish and I want to use martingale betting to eat it.

I load up 32 BTC too (if I'm not allowed to bite an equal, load up with 31.999 instead, but assume I can bite an equal).

If I lose, I'm 16 BTC down, and the 32 fish now has 48 BTC (let's ignore the 10% that doesn't go to the winner for simplicity's sake).

So I deposit another 32, to match the 48 fish and lose again.  I lose 24 BTC

Now I have 24, the big fish has 72, I need to deposit another 48 to match him, and I've lost 16+24 = 40 BTC in total

Now if I bite him and win, I don't get back the 40 BTC I'm down - I only get 36, so I don't even break even.

If I lose this 3rd attack as well, I lose a further 36, making my total losses 40+36 = 76, and after redepositing, both fishes are now 108 BTC.

If I win the 4th attack, I win 54 BTC but I'm already 76 down.  So it looks like the longer I go without winning, the further and further I fall behind, with no chance of getting my losses back.

Does that look about right?

I think MPEx got up to 30.883, I deposited up to 28 odd but heeded the advice not to bite again, then I added the exact amount to equal MPEx's 30.883 so that we were 50/50 chance of win lose again, then I sacrificed many virgins & bit to win 13.898 on my attack fish plus 1.389 on my own other referral fish, so 99% of half the total MPEx weight was 15.287 btc the other 1% of it going to the house 0.1544 btc

Yep you can exactly equal someone's else's weight to attack/defend for 50/50 chance, re martingaling one would use another fish of one's own as allie to referral the 9% of any wins to, so effectively you get 99% overall of any wins (& the house gets 1%) & on losses you lose the normal 50% - whether your opponent is collecting 90% of that or 99% is up to them, it will be on a different fish anyways.

In your example: Suppose there's a 32 BTC fish and I want to use martingale betting to eat it.

I load up 32 BTC too (if I'm not allowed to bite an equal, load up with 31.999 instead, but assume I can bite an equal).
Yep you can np.

If I lose, I'm 16 BTC down, and the 32 fish now has 48 BTC (let's ignore the 10% that doesn't go to the winner for simplicity's sake).
Just taking a look at it with the actual figures to see, so opponent fish now has 46.4 BTC

So I deposit another 32, to match the 48 fish and lose again.  I lose 24 BTC
So I deposit 30.4 to match the 46.4 fish and lose again. I lose 23.2 BTC

Now I have 24, the big fish has 72, I need to deposit another 48 to match him, and I've lost 16+24 = 40 BTC in total
I have 23.2, the big fish has 67.28, I need to deposit 44.08 to match him, and I've lost 16+23.2 = 39.2 BTC in total

Now if I bite him and win, I don't get back the 40 BTC I'm down - I only get 36, so I don't even break even.
Now if I bite him and win, I don't get back the 39.2 BTC I'm down - I only get 33.3036, so I don't even break even. Correct

If I lose this 3rd attack as well, I lose a further 36, making my total losses 40+36 = 76, and after redepositing, both fishes are now 108 BTC.
If I lose this 3rd attack as well, I lose a further 33.64, making my total losses 39.2+33.64 = 72.84, and after redepositing, both fishes are now 97.556 BTC.

If I win the 4th attack, I win 54 BTC but I'm already 76 down.  So it looks like the longer I go without winning, the further and further I fall behind, with no chance of getting my losses back.
If I win the 4th attack, I win 48.29022 BTC but I'm already 72.84 down.  So it looks like the longer I go without winning, the further and further I fall behind, with no chance of getting my losses back. Yep so it seems. One would need 2 consecutive wins to come out ahead.

I guess the cause of this is the house's 1% cumulative fee & the fact that 10% of the opponents wins is not left on the same fish (9% to an allie & 1% to the house).

Edit: I corrected my numbers.

[Come-from-Beyond]

New update:
The Shop has been added with 3 items to test it. To buy an item u must have the letters of its name. Letters that u have are highlighted.

Next update:
Some items for the shop. Bazaar for those who wish to sell their items and letters for bitcoins (added/subtracted from the weight of a fish). Should be handy to swap letters with other players.

[FreeMoney]

whoa, I clicked my 'E' and it dropped away, I had no idea, why did it do that?

[Come-from-Beyond]

whoa, I clicked my 'E' and it dropped away, I had no idea, why did it do that?

It's by design. To get a free slot if u need it to store something else. If there were Scavengers at the bottom they would pick the letter.

[Micon]

whoa, I clicked my 'E' and it dropped away, I had no idea, why did it do that?

It's by design. To get a free slot if u need it to store something else. If there were Scavengers at the bottom they would pick the letter.

I love you.

Scavengers? 

So I can just buy the biggest fish right?  just deposit enough to make mine bigger just to floss it?

[Come-from-Beyond]

So I can just buy the biggest fish right?  just deposit enough to make mine bigger just to floss it?

The biggest fish doesn't give u free letters. U have to attack someone to get a letter.
Bigger fish = better odds to get a letter after an attack (even unsuccessful one). The odds scale up to 100% for the biggest fish. If ur fish is 57% of the biggest one - ur odds are 57%. Keep in mind that it's not profitable to buy 2 fish and bite each other non-stop, coz u lose 1% of ur money each bite.

[svost]

I ask to add in a log a name of fish opponent. I want to revenge 

[Come-from-Beyond]

I've noticed that ppl use 2 different strategies to "earn" coins playing TBF:

1. Deposit a lot of coins and bite one of the biggest fish. If they lose they deposit more and try to martingale. If they win they withdraw all coins.
2. Eat all small fish. If they lose they deposit small amount and bite again. If they win they withdraw a few coins to be able to bite the smallest fish.

There are also some ppl who don't care about money and play for fun. They bite everyone they can or wait someone bites them. If they lose they deposit coins. If they win they withdraw their own money and leave the rest in the game.

[dooglus]

[...] U have to attack someone to get a letter.

Bigger fish = better odds to get a letter after an attack (even unsuccessful one). The odds scale up to 100% for the biggest fish.

I'm confused.  If only the attacker has a chance of getting a letter, how can the biggest fish have a 100% chance, since he can't ever be the attacker.

Can you maybe get a letter if you're the one being attacked, if you win?

Maybe it's all explained on the rules page, but I still can't find it.  Is it really the case that the rules aren't available until after you start playing?

[Come-from-Beyond]

[...] U have to attack someone to get a letter.

Bigger fish = better odds to get a letter after an attack (even unsuccessful one). The odds scale up to 100% for the biggest fish.

I'm confused.  If only the attacker has a chance of getting a letter, how can the biggest fish have a 100% chance, since he can't ever be the attacker.

Can you maybe get a letter if you're the one being attacked, if you win?

Sometimes there are 2 "the biggest fish" coz they have equal weight. It's allowed to bite a fish of the same weight.

Maybe it's all explained on the rules page, but I still can't find it.  Is it really the case that the rules aren't available until after you start playing?

If u join the game u can find the rules after u click on "Click here to read how to play" at the bottom. But there is very little information.
It had been planned to launch a simple game where fish just bite each other, but then the developer changed his mind and now is adding new content and has no time to write the rules. It's supposed that ppl get the details reading this thread coz the game is not advertised somewhere else.
I have no clue when the developer is going to publish the rules. Here is a part of his plans:
- Bazaar (sell your letters/items to other players)
- Housing (buy a piece of water and build/defend your own paradise [Time Management + Tower Defense])
- Mini-games (different mini-games like lottery, slot machines, labyrinth and so on)
- Shares (invest into mini-games and get your part of the profit)
- Coliseum (train a fighting fish to win in championships)
- Global Events (Pandemia of Rabies, Order vs Chaos war, Invasion, ...)

PS: If u need any details regarding game mechanic don't hesitate to ask me. If I don't know anything I'll ask the developer via Skype.

[svost]

I've got 4 jackpots today (4 BTC)!
I love this game!!!

[Come-from-Beyond]

My "Qubic Forum" fish disappears every hour. Someone keeps eating all small fish. Looks like a profitable business...

[Micon]

a productive day no doubt.

[Micon]

Will there be an API built?

I'd like to have some fish re-feeding bots set up by mid-December