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I had this though going on my mind about all the hyip websites.
All the topics being posted in gambling section and investment related ones made me reach a conclusion.

It is quite obvious but lets take it as a game itself.


Imagine a gambling system ( IMO probably fair my ... ) let you win win win and then when u go big and greedy its over in a blink of an eye.
Who could say all these complex gambling games or system coming up isn't rigged by the coders.

so back to the point,

many of the hyip website come online for a month or so, with good investment of their own to fool people for some time and when they have earn more than invested they jsut disappear.
So why dont we do it like gambling. Just have to know when to stop. read the patterns. since all these website now a days show TXID for legitimacy. i think we could maybe withdraw on the right time.


do not invest more that you are willing to lose. same concept of gambling.

I think that's totally different. HYIP are ponzis meant to rob people from the very beginning. Gambling is super risky but, at least, you can have a small control over it. With HYIP you have absolutely no control.
You said it right here

Yeah the house egde of normal gambling sites will be very small over a bet or 2.  Invest in a ponzi and you probably have what.... 25% chance of ever seeing anything back and thats if you get in early.  Not a game i like to play.

i totally agree with u guys, they are ponzi schemes. This everyone knows.

Even though they are ponzi, some the new website give the option withdraw the pricial anytime will the daily added interest. for eg. there was a ponzi known as cryptowealth
they gave hourly interest and had option to withdraw principal any moment. in such case your can get your investment and few bucks over it.

You mean there will be a code in their script to which if the user will bet about 200btc, he will eventually lose it while if he bet with just .05 or less, he will somehow win from time to time? That's just a trap.    That would be a bummer.  And you shouldn't own a gambling site.  ;D

HYIP is a kind of gambling but the fact that they don't clearly say it is a gamble and that the likelihood of losing is high is why they aren't clear gambling, They are a bad option IMO since the odds can be against you for more than the "spread"

One big difference between gambling and hyip.Hyip were made to short time ,and some achieve medium above 6 months online,gambling is for long term,and well the scripts are made to owners win something,but usually who open and hyip just wanna take your money ,gambling they share a part of what their costumers loose,being the reward.

differing structurally, of course, only speaking about the building or structure, then these two methods of investing there are different and overall they can be called a stretch, but simply put, this is essentially a kind of gambling have to be, though, and in the process we are not "at the table", but all the same quality gambling us required
although this is somewhat their scheme is a huge difference and our direct involvement as such without requiring that fundamentally very different these two ways to earn

I think this is quite different between gambling and HYIP. HYIP is already scam you from the start you are invest on it but with gambling although you make some small bet but with some luck you can win big enough and I am sure most site will pay you out and you can withdraw it directly or may be instant.


there is no pattern in gambling games. It is just mostly pure luck

IMO HYIPs are much worst option than gambling. They are always ending as a scam. And the only trill you could experience with HYIP is to guess when it will goes into scam. At least in bitcoin gambling you are playing vs only 1%.

Yes gambling itself is an High Risk for High profit... there is nothing new!
But in the classical terms on the net, HYIP is refered to a site that pay users investements from investment of other users! Like a ponzi!
Well gambling is not "a ponzi" :D I hope this can clarify :)

HYIP = GAMBLING = PONZI
So who be fisrt invest will be the winner  ;D ;D ;D

I partially agree with your post.The coders can be totally responsible for the gambling losses if you have history of major wins recently but that's just with poor gambling sites.You can gamble on reputed sites which provide you to access to their seeds or hash from the server which is part of their random function.The case with HYIP's is completely different.They are made to get dumped one day when they reach their marginal goal.There is no such thing as a "Good HYIP".

No because a ponzi need "more gamblers", a betting site could run by itself!
Like the big company like ladbrokes, betfair, unibet....
They can run with also 1 "gambler" ;)

I think HYIP=PONZI=SCAM, is not equal to gambling, gambling is legal in most developed countries, especially western countries. But Ponzi scam is banned in most countries, so they are not same, and you lost chances are more than win, not like gambling just has a little margin/house edge, which is more fair than HYIP

It's same mate. HYIP too if not more SNIPE on trap invest this site will be scam :p

Better give those money to some homeless guy or other charity cause instead of HYIP scammers! Soon or a later all become scams. More likely soon.

yes investing to a hyip (ponzi in other words (pyramid scheme in other words)) is very risky like gambling and you will most probably loose all your money after some time i think its even more risky than regular gambling

very well put.

@ all. im not saying its exactly they same.. but why not we treat it like that.. do not invest what u cannot lose.. the rule of gambling applies here as well.. and the rule to know when to stop as well.. am i right..or am i right :p

exactly. if ur lucky u will withdraw today and tomorrow site is down... and u have profit

Which is why HYIPs are in the Gambling board.

No, it doesn't work like that. In gambling you have no idea before the game if you will lose or win. Laws of probability and honest mathematical rules (which you accept) are dictating outcome of your game.
From the other hand Ponzi creator lies to you - and promises you huge reward - no matter what will happen; which is blatant lie as late adopters always lose.

HYIP sites has totally different concept it required investment to get earning from them it like ponzi scheme where it need more people in to keep running their system but on gambling we need luck to earn some profit so that i don't think HYIP sites any comparison with gambling.

Both are risky and this is similarity between but hyip is just lost of money.

Yeah I wouldn't go as far to compare a HYIP to gambling, since the owner can basically scam you at will.
There is no way to calculate the odds of when the HYIP will shutdown.

If gamling = HYIP , already bitcoin = litecoin (and doge)  ;D

hyip boarn only for close, don't have hyip site survived for 10.-15 years, gambling (with provably fair game) is  lucky (with casinò game) and ability of player (for game with poker, black jack, ecc)

hyip is the same thing like gambling, even on this forum investor based games (hyips) are in gambling thread, also in hyips the same like in gambling you have a possibility to loose money but you also can make money

Yes, HYIP is nothing but an automated way of gambling. It does not require any active participation other than depositing your money. There is no highly yielding programs in this world to share profits with us, same way there is no guarantee for profit making all the times from gambling. 

i agree with you that hyip is nothing else but gambling, you cant earn a lot of money with it like with gambling and the owner always wins like a casino in gambling, thats why i dont like hyips that much

You can never read the patterns of a ponzi because they are created by many different scammer.
I don't really agree with you, TBH. Because HYIP = Ponzi = Scam = Lose, and Gambling = Win or Lose. That is a big difference.

Another thread from someone who doesn't understand Provably fair or random at all.

they are different gambling is not hyip. Some of the other gambling site is not provably fair.
if you bet and make a few profit in the next bet you will still  lost in the end. If you feel that the game has been edited so its better to stop it..
But if you have a knowledge about coding you can extract the game to see the script is cheating...

Gambling with very different hyip, hyip Using System ponzi, they would go if they are profit enough. Different to the usual gambling system uses a Random Number provably fair  :)

It might be true to some extent if you are seeing it in a very long run and just keeping track of the money.But when you consider all the other aspects then both of them are very different and opposite at some point.

One other difference which is quite important, hyip most of the time will have scammed users most of them new to the scene wheras gambling is not scamming people in this way. 

the possibility of turning to scam of a hyip is gambling itself, if you will be one of the first investors it wont scam you at all and you will earn money, but if you will be too late you will not manage to make anything

In a way it is like gambling,but unlike gambling sites where you can play provably fair game, with hyip you know that at some point it's
going to end up scamming users for the owners benefit. I wouldn't advise gambling that way, because you would be fueling just more
of such hyps, and even if you end up with profits, you would know how that money came from another users that ended up short handed.

Nope that is not true. Every HYIP will scam you no matter you are in early game or not. If they think this site is already earn enough form them I think they will sure run away with it. There are no free money in this world, if you want to get money, earn them. Not to play at HYIP, this is the same as donate your money for them

In gambling you lose and win by your own hand but in HYIP they play your money :D

i think hyip not as gambling, hyip is investment

Really the only reason a scam site would give you withdraw is to promote more deposits so maybe they will target certain people who can attract more people in.  Maybe having a larger public profile gives you a greater edge.

You are partially right. Imagine this scenario - first victim invest in some scammy HYIP which promise him 100% bonus after a day - next morning he wants to withdraw his deposit+bonus only to realize that this option is blocked  and that is the end of Ponzi as he would certainly cry about that and not more eople will join 'the game'.
It is illogical to block early investors from withdrawing money if you want to earn money as a Ponzi creator.

hyip is the same thing like gambling, even on this forum investor based games (hyips) are in gambling thread, also in hyips the same like in gambling you have a possibility to loose money but you also can make money

Indeed. IMO, they consistently allow people to withdraw their money for a week or so to build up some trust and then if a "big investor" come in and deposit large sum of money, most likely that is the end of that ponzi.

Most the time you will lose if you don't know when to stop "investing".

HYIP is shit. No returns.

Gambling like those here in Gambling type of games here in this section. You will lose money here but with the "fair" game.

HYIP promises you a big return. Gambling type of games wasn't like that. Strategy is a must in gambling type of games. HYIP you won't do anything so basically it's a shit.

Calm down all you gambling enthusiastic and fan-boys.

maybe my topic title is misleading :( sorry for that.

but my point here isn't about who is shit or not...

gambling is different. it is a game. it is luck and skill i agree.

what i am trying to say is.. these HYIP websites now a days are making people gamble their investment.
Consider the situation and compare okay.

xyz1 = hyip website.
opened with lot of fake promises and stuff.. even though people know most of them are ponzi.. why do they still invest. ?
okay few people invested. X invested for 2 day and Y invested for 4 days.. the website goes down on 3rd day. X won and Y didn't. Because X decided to play for 2 days and not 4.



and to the person who just comments saying another user who has no knowledge about either... well people with ur attitude  i hate the most.
this is just s place to discuss and learn.. show ur smartness where it matters ty

no you quite wrong. Gambling = not ponzi. HYip can be = ponzi but in gambling loss or win is based on your luck and moves. And first invest is not always winner in gambling.

Nope both of them are not the same thing although they have been put in same section but both of them is completely different. In HYIP you dont have this possibility to lose but when you start it you already lose that. There is no way they give you free money? What kind of work that give you free money? There are no such generous people in this world

I really can't see it as the same thing. On a HYIP you are likely to be scamed. They don't even invest your money. They just take it, pay to some users so it seems legit and then run off with all the other users money. You can see it as a risk, and think that maybe you will get your money on time etc. But the problem here is that by doing so you are still supporting those sites, and allowing them to just keep scaming people and I can't do that.
Gambling sites are normally legit, and the gambling concept at least is legit, so at least you know you are taking your chances on a legit system, and you are not helping people that take a living in scamming others.

Investing on hyips, i always follow the golden rule, always get your seed money out and play with the profits. Also Try to promote your referral to earn few commissions. but keep your family members out of hyips, many friendships have been destroy bcoz of hyips invesments.

Wow, what a conclusion. You must be good at this.

HYIP isn't gambling, after you send your money it's done. No much gambling there...

In gambling sites, some people making HYIP with his money. thats place is only for making HYIP with your money :)))

That's the point....ok we can discuss if HYIP is scam or not (is it  ;D) but is also up to you to decide if enter or not....
If i see an HYIP relatively young, i have no reason to think that they close and run only with my money and some others, so i have good chance to be repayed, but if see a HYIP that run from a month or more....man....they are ready to run with money of all investors!

So if you take an HYIP site like gambling, you should choice the right site, or is a bet lost!
Gambling is totally different, you play vs the lucky and the probability....
But if i have to schoose to wait 2 days to see my stake back X2 with HYIP and gamble my stake all in 50%, i prefer the second!

i disagree that it is impossible to make some money with hyips, in fact if you are an early investor and the website is legit for a long time you can make huge money because it will pay you for a while then

I think he has a point although you can argue that HYIP sites are full blown dishonest compared to Casinos. Casinos tell you that you can win money and that's actually truth in theory. HYIP promises ridiculous percentages and then run with your money.

Either way, I've never put any money into these sites and I don't recommend them of course but I've used giveaways money to "invest" and had good luck I must say. The key is not to get too greedy. They don't last more than one week.

I think HYIP is worse then gambling because in gambling you at least have a chance to win. HYIP are generally usually scams and you should stay away from.

I usualy don't go for this kind of sites!
Got burned once with a HYIP so since then I decided that would never go in again

I quite don't agree with it.hypi's have a history of making people lose regardless of its existence from day 1 to day 100.Gambling has made people rich in seconds also broke at the same time.But I feel gambling is more of a known approach so what we can expect on the brighter side as well.hyip's are structured in such a way that it will collapse in the long run.

Actually it could be considered as gambling because they tend to pay significant sums while they are in their initial stage and they're searching
for more users. If you get aboard early enough, that is. I believe op was referring to this fact when he compared it with gambling.
Judging from the number of hyip's under investor based games, there's no lack of people trying it out, but sadly large portion is only gonna get burned.

For me not the same because you can win and gain profit with gambling than HYIp's
Because HYIP's are scam and there is no profit you can get..
So its better to invest on gambling than investing in any HYIP pozi's

but you can also make money in ponzis and hyips too if you are lucky enough to invest into it your money while its still paying, of course it can turn to scam very fast and you would loose money, but that means its a gamble

HYIP = SCAM
You'll lose your money within few days..
But you could find something like ore-mine.org they are paying over year and that's good!

No i dont experience any hyip that you can get profit. Im always scammed many times like on coinsera
I've been invest there around $30+ but its scam in the end and also in other hyip's i hate them..

Yes...
Hyip is a ponzi that depends on the fresh investments for payouts and they can disappear any time. Even the very
next day of it's launch!
Where as gambling is quite different where you can play, win(if luck favors) and have some control.
So, both are not same by any means.

but in hyip it depends on luck too, if you are lucky your investment will be back if the ponzi will stay for a while, and if you are not lucky you will lose money to it, i cant see too much of a difference

Buying into HYIP is worse than gambling. At least in gambling, you have a higher chance of winning money. HYIP can disappear anytime and pay you peanuts for the risk.

Yes, HYIP may disappear at any time whereas gambling will provide some opportunity to make profits if we have luck and some skills. HYIP is completely out of our control once we make deposits into it but gambling is within our control to make some profits and withdraw at any time.

okay i get what u guys are saying. i totally get it. i will rest my case here. thankyou for the enlighment  :P :P

I kind of agree. There are no patterns, we just form patterns in our minds, like we are on a winning streak, and we sense that we are about to lose, but this is just %, statistics, chance, it's not a true pattern by the strict definition of the word.

I guess it's different, I guess hyip as additional money within a few days, if you ask me hyip is a site that wants to borrow money from the people, but do not know used for anything, but they will return in a few days with the addition%

But there is guarantee for their payment always. It's kind of doubler but in some percentage.
HYIP borrows your money but will never return, with gambling you have option to withdraw your funds even after some losses too. If HYIP got closed, all your money will go with them.

And what if they offer payment over those 12 months but disappear after first 3?  ;D

but in hyips you get a possibility to make bigger money if there are a lot of investments from other people as casinos might not let you to make such big bets, in my opinion both casinos and hyips have a lot of advantages and disadvantages

I think Hyip has to work like a ponzie it has to show people are getting a payment otherwise others are more than likely not to even think of investing. Gambling is totally different if you bet on sports you can use odds and probability to work out if something is worth betting on. Computer generated gaming on the other hand it is entirely possible for there to be something in the coding that could give the house the edge. People don't make gambling sites to give away money.

i guess you did not get the point, he wanted to say that its already working for a long time and will most probably work a lot more and other hyips turn to scam in a few weeks

In few days - fast scams ( between 7-30 days ) they collect for example 15 BTC so admin close the site (ponzi creation usually cost around 2 BTC = 13 BTC profit for him )

I do take HYIPS as some kin o gambling. They have both the risk. The nly difference is that in hyip you are fooled with the promise of a lingterm investment tha you will get more than you expected from it while in gambling, you hold the coins and the decision to continue betting is within your hands it's like a game.

At least gambling is random (well, as random as can be...)

Some hyips don't pay out, though, let alone have any randomness to them. Some hyips that I personally think will last for a long time, like cryptoboost.co, are more skill and timing based.

HYIP ? but you can earn money by just sit on your chair and drink a coffee, then you can see your coin will comes to you

Gambling we play it and we lose it(me) no profit always. only people with great luck

almost hyip site is ponzi...just some site not going to ponzi..high profit will be close soon
the first invest will be get their profit...the late will be lost at all...
but gambling not going to close his site...just our luck in play...

These letters "HYIP" I've never seen elsewhere on financial sites, and I think this is exclusive to bitcointalk.  I know there are high-yield bonds and funds and so forth, but that's not what HYIP means.  What those 4 letters mean is SCAM.  Yes, I suppose you could look at it as gambling, but all Ponzis are scams.  I'm not sure why anyone would put their money knowingly in one.

;D Two days later you found more and more users complain unable to withdraw the principal! Then you try to do it but fail! You just see the figure increasing in the account day by day! But you cant spend it!

i agree. hyips can be a sort of gambling because of the risks you are taking. gambling is a game of luck but on hyips , you can guarantee a profit if you know how and when to invest in a certain site. on hyips, the saying "the early bird catches the worm" applies.

yes thats what i meant when i started this topic. people are taking it literally.

P.S. most of the people are not even reading the further posts what im saying... just keep posting to increase the post count.

Yes hyip site is a ponzi and ponzi always scammed people, they just wait for the right timing to get scammed all of your money. So there is no first come and last come. By the time you coming to their site and put your money there you will have 80% chance to being scammed may be if you put 0.0001 they will give it back but if you put 0.01 or 0.1 I dont think you coin will be back again

Nah, I don't think so because the term HYIP (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=HYIP) can be found almost anywhere on the Internet. HYIP is a type of ponzi scheme (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme) and according to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-yield_investment_program), Ponzi scheme have existed since the early 1900s. In conclusion, the term HYIP is not exclusive to Bitcointalk.

But recently many hyip sites are closing quite faster and some even closed after couple of days so it is bigger risk than gambling. Because in gambling I will bet only on those games where I know what will be the end result but some times only it can fail. In hyip you don't know when these sites are closing. So I think these two are different.

I'm pretty sure they close much faster than before because of lack of interest.
People on Bitcointalk become smarter and smarter everyday (I hope so) and ponzi scam is already a common thing in this forum. Therefore, I doubt anyone who already fall for ponzi scam once or so will fall again for this scam for a quintillion times.

Yes, HYIP is gambling too. you invest and also gambling when the HYIP turn into scam. but i suggest you to invest early the day after the hyip launching. and don't invest too much on hyip.

Gambling is not HYIP and neither HYIP is cause they both have completely different functioning.In gambling you get a fair platform (of course excluding the house edge) to roll among all popular sites/casino's and to win or lose is up to your luck but the other one is an outright scam attempt and promise to double money in some hours..lol

Well then it is a paradox. U see a scammer won't shut down the website until atleast he has recovred the money used to build the site or the script. So the faster the site goes down means people are investing faster and more in short time. Which is totally opposite to what u just said that people are not investing and loosing interest.

I agree, hyip is like gambling, is equally difficult to guess, but I think gambling is better because it is clear and away from the scam, I was traumatized by hyip because sring scam and not reliable.

HYIP isn't gambling. That's simple theft. The only gambling like element is guessing the time when the operator will run with the "investors" money.

yeah i forgot to mention that :P of course there are bigger risks playing with hyip aka ponzi sites cuz they are made to scam. still i believe hyip is a form of gambling. if you take risks with something, then its gambling

Yes thats what i was saying. It has become a sort of gambling risk now a days with the scam especially. u can never be sure. the ones who get out quick with some profit are the winners

i liked cryptoconomist.biz alot( SCAM )
over 1 year they were online
Over 1.000.000 $ paid
it's a scam now but i liked it.

ore-mine.org is number #1 in the "hyip" programs
over 2000 BTC paid,that's awesome!

But there is no guarantee that you will be paid. At least you know you will be paid if you gamble on trusted website.

I also couldn't find any reason to compare HYIP with gambling. Because HYIP is totally out of control it is like giving our money to somebody else. But in gambling you can stop at any time even with very small profit or with with small loss also.
So, in HYIP  there is no possibilities of preventing losses.

But soon or later all hyip sites will close there business but who ever aims for bigger profit than they will try to push it for longer period to attract more deposits. Once they feel enough than surely all off them will close at the end so don't fall on any hyip eye catching interest offers and lose all you're coins.

All of these sites will close and scam people. I never invest in these hyip sites instead I prefer to lose by myself in gambling.

I think investing in hyip is not a gambling because you don't know when these guys close site but in gambling if you chose sports betting than if you can win in some matches surely if you know the team and there strength. So I think both are not same but slightly risk wise similar.

yes i must admit that hyip is the same thing as gambling in hyip you put money into the program and you can either get your winning with investment or loose everything the same like in gambling

The thing is that hyip is a hard try to even think to invest a single penny into them,sure the potencial earnings are amazing if they could pay what they offers... i would be rich,last investment i had made just turned into scam and i havent withdraw a penny i reinvested all in a month i were with 70% balance of investment,when i tryed to cashout i saw the problem were happening around a week already.

i think its nearly the same if you invest into a hyip or just try to wager your money gambling in a gambling website, i think either way its better not to waste money in neither gambling nor hyips

HYIP and Gambling site will continue to exist cause there are huge demand for it, for as long as people are looking for quick money hyips sites will continue to exist.

short term hyip,example double your bitcoin in 100 hours is more than gambling,very risky.
I think gamble on sport is more safe than hyip.

hyip is gambling, all the investor based games can not guarantee you any profit as it might easily fail after a day or so, what would lead you to losing your money, but it also can work for a while

You could easily notice how these HYIPs are most of the times created by the same scammers, they only change name and domains but they are always the same scammer. They use the same sites and the same platforms.
Don't trust HYIPs rating sites: they're paid only to let you fall into the trap. You have been warned

hyip : not gambling,i think hyip different with gambling
on hyip someday it will scam or not paying our money handling by hyip owner if gambling only us who is play to win or lose our money

HYIP is a form of gambling yeah true and spot on, but its a gambling where you know you will lose at least once, while in gambling with extreme luck you can win all the bets in your life. I hope I was able to explain my feelings and experience in the words.

what you said is correct. Most people will be looking for a quick money so they will try to find ways to make more money. These hyips will trap these kind of mind set people easily by offering eye catching interest rates like double your money in just 50 hours. These are complete scam, do not fall on these trap and lose your money.

I think ore-mine is legit real mining, turns out is a ponzi site? i just know it
means someday definitely a scam?
like other hyip site?

Once again: don't invest in HYIPs and if you really do be prepared to lose everything. Another thing: usually they pay very low amounts while if you put big money into them you 'll lose them all.
No HYIP will make you rich! You are going to lose hard earned bitcoin.

It's 2016 still there are many people hooked to HYIP programs. How this scheme will stop if people will easily get hooked. For those newcomers in online world, they can asked here in this forum if the HYIP is HYIP as a first precaution.

i think hyip is something like gambling, i mean in both of the mentioned things you have to risk money in order to make some kind of profit, the only thing that is different are the chances of wining and money amounts

Yes, investing in HYIP is very risky but at some point they will scam and thats their basic income. While in gambling you can win and loose too, but you never are sure of loosing in the end as in HYIP. So, definitely gambling is completely different from HYIP.

HYIP sites will keep increasing as long as people stupidly burn their money and also gift their money to ponzi or HYIP owners. I hope people start using their common sense and invest their money safely. Yes if you think HYIP as a gamble, then go ahead and burn it :)

hyips are really similar to all the hyip schemes in my opinion as in both of them you can either win or loose money, thats why i dont like all the hyip scams

we definitely can not say that hyip systems are equally the same things as gambling websites hyips usually are scams that do not pay people any money and gambling pays you if only you have some luck to win

HYIP is a pyramid scheme business
Gambling is not HYIP

Well thats is true new people online will try to get fast money,and those two the fast way,but should be better for the most try bets like sports where there is a 50% odds to win and the house should pay you the money earned,must be a good house not a new scam house .

that is basically the same thing that he said...

also i think that its more or less the same thing because people can win some money if they are lucky enough to invest into the gambling site at the right time when its still paying

This discussion was brought up endlessly when there was a push to create an investment based games board. HYIP was defined as a gamble but in my opinion since 99% end in collapse with only the operator profiting most of the time, it makes it seem more like a scam then a game. So if you wanna gamble your money with a scammer, HYIPs are for you.

true what u just said. it totally depends on the person, whether he want to gamble safe or go very risky.. for little profit.



But in hyip, u know u will be getting the money atleast for day 1 and u can withdraw right. but in gamble its just luck.. pure luck.

but in gambling we can control how much our win than HYIP  that gave only  some % of the money we invest

I think HYIP is worse than Gamble.

As too many Scams in HYIP :-\

Yes, Gambling has the chances of winning with our efforts is 50% and for losses 50%. But with HYIP there are only 1% chances to get back our money from our investments.
Once we invested our money into HYIP programs, need to forget it forever as most of the HYIP always run away, only some return is possible for some days. There is no guarantee for our bankroll with HYIP.

Yes you are right. In gambling we have chance to make profit from the money we gamble but in HYIP it will give us mentally effect aside from losing the money. You are expecting returns from that HYIP so in here its affect now your mindset. So in the end when they end up busted, they will feel heartbroken aside from the lose money.

Hyip = low return very high risk
Gambling in a casino = high risk and you may win tons of cash depending on your luck.

Although gambling is not has 50% chance of winning because there is still house edge that will make you loss sometimes. Why some people keep on playing HYIP because first they want fast money and second they dont want to do anything to get some. They think HYIP is a great investment that give you a big payout without doing anything, most of them dont really know what is HYIP means thats why they keep on playing it

HYIP means high yield investment plans , which means later or sooner you will loose al your money, unlesss you are lucky to stop at the right moment.

its called hyip because of its high returns so i dont agree with and about gambling on casino, imo it has higher risk if you want a bigger profit, much higher than on hyips.

Too many differences.

HYIP - Ponzi disguised as an investment scheme.
Generally, the money goes from the last investors to the first investors wile a huge chunk goes to the greedy guy operating it and there are HYIPs that never paid out anyone. Generally ambiguous, and biased. Not provably fair, not even fair, admin can do whatever he wants.
High return, Insanely high risk.

Gambling (limited to honest, trusted sites)
You know the risk, you know the payout. The house has an edge over the player which is made transparent. Provably fair.
Any risk, equivalent return.

HYIP is somewhat gambling, yes in sometimes. Because you are unsure about results what will be there. Same way I do not think HYIP is exactly gambling, because in HYIP you always loose in the end and not such in gambling.

Agree with you, but however not all gambling sites is a scam. We can't just do it in every gambling sites

Every HYIP site is a scam else it cant run really, unless it a bank lol. and every gambling site is not a scam at the end, I hope you understand.

Look most gambling websites,has costumers that invest trying to get a pot or win something,usually some win and several loose,the house always wins.Hyip is just one way some costumers able to cashout and roi and well admin run away with fortunes,and people will try to recover those into another hyip till they loose all.Gambling is better far away from hyip,and there are very places offering such services and honest ,without need to close doors to pay their costurmers earnings.

I think it depends of ROI that we can call it high returns  but some of them is paying low interest every month or every week.
Unlike on gambling that you can instanly win or lose..

I think gambling and hyip are not same. Hyip is a scam and gambling is a risk.

Gambling is like hyip. A user who is investing in a hyip takes the risk of not seeing his money again. Same thing applies to gambling.

I agree with you when you say that both HYIP and gambling has a concept of don't invest/gamble what you can't afford to lose however the difference between the two is that In gambling you will decide and will be responsible if you will win or lose however on the other hand the HYIP owner will the one who will decide whether you will win or lose , if you invest large sum of bitcoins on HYIP there is large probability that you will lose all your bitcoins.

What are you saying here? Gambling doesnt same as hyip because with gambling you can earn it a little bit and may be if you are lucky enough you can still hit the jackpot and get a big winning there. But in hyip may be you can get it but you need be the one who first invested like many people said but I dont know that is a true or not. Mostly hyip will open around one month before they scam people

You can say its gambling investment :D

Or gambing + investment with higher risk or 3x bet .

They are not the same. This is the definition of HYIP/Ponzi:

A high-yield investment program (HYIP) is a type of Ponzi scheme, an investment scam that promises unsustainably high return on investment by paying previous investors with the money invested by new investors. Most of these scams work from anonymous offshore bases which make them hard to track down.

Even if you take out the possibility of them running away (which you shouldn't) sooner or later the income from new investors will dry up and the previous ones will not be able to earn anything and hence it will collapse.

So to earn anything you're at mercy of A. HYIP/Ponzi owners not running away and B. New Investors deposits. In gambling you're only dependent on your luck, you bet, you win - you get your profit, you lose - you get nothing.

Yes but how many HYIP schemes do you know that are legit and actually pay out? Only legit one was by the Ponzi guy and everybody who invested early with him, not the people that invested late.

There is no such thing as legit HYIP schemes because you cant obtain high profits without doing some bad practices.

Yes, hyip is also gambling

as for my experience, all hyips i've been to was all paying but it doesn't mean they are legit. just like what you've said, early investors and of course, the ponzi owner, will be always the winner. being an early bird is a good strategy if someone wants to make profit with ponzi schemes.

Early investor? You said this as if early investor will always get the profit. I dont think that thing is true. From what I saw some HYIP only small amount of early investor that they get a payout. There is no payout for them that put 1 btc on that so all HYIP will be the same, you guys will be scammed no matter early investment or not

Please stop encouraging people that early 'investor' will always get profit because it kinda seems like some people will win while some dont. If you actually think stealing people's money away is a good attitude than you are free to do this, those who get money from ponzi is no better than a thief

Well the sooner you get inside of something the better you are off if it is a success, and Bitcoin is a clear example of this. the difference is the ethical reasons behind the project, but other than that, the fact that getting involved in something before others deliver better reward is a basic law that is present in every business ever, legit or not.

I think differently, HYIP is a site that borrows your money and return more, but according to the information I get HYIP use all capital in the receipt for gambling

IMO HYIPs are far worst and riskier than gambling. With gambling you can leave when you want... with most HYIPs you can't leave...

practicallyh lol any type of investment is basically a gamble but with HYIPs i think that many consider them similiar to ponnzis eventhough the concept is different so people just veiw it like gambling

You can leave... Just not at any moment  ;D

HYIP or a High-yield Investment Program requires the user to send Bitcoin to a websites Bitcoin address where they have no control over there funds and are then 'guaranteed' usually a return of something very unrealistic ie. 100% in a week. And the site will probably run away with the funds in the end. (Ponzi)

Gambling on the other hand is where you deposit your funds and you have controover your funds. And a lot of gambling sites have - I can't remember the name - I think what is called 'hot wallets' that publicly display the websites balance which is in the region of BTC100+

Really? You mean nothing is as legit as HYIP , seriously you have a problem if so mate.
I think HYIP is the most non-legit thing I have ever seen, fake promises, fake transactions and everything as fake as possible, even whole team fake !

You read it completely wrong :D

paka said or he meant to say, 'there is no such thing as a legit HYIP'

We're all on the same boat ;) hope this clears up the confusion.
Cheers

Now a days even if you invest on first day also in these hyip sits, not sure whether you can get back your investment because these sites are close after couple of days so how to get back your investment?

Don't fall on these scam schemes, just hold you coins for price appreciate is better than putting money in these sites.

Thats why most people never use their own money when they play hyip. They always use their free money there to make it double or triple in a couple of days. If it is scammed they have nothing to lose because it is free money

Bitcoin is not a hyip for sure and not some pump and dump scheme to make you into another rich guy in one night. No one ever thought that bitcoin could be $1200 a piece and ponzi for sure is not the same thing with bitcoin. You are a thief no matter what when you participante in a ponzi but buying bitcoin is more like gambling

Buying bitcoin is more like gambling ? can u justify that.

I believe gambling with money on chances is gambling. Buy bitcoins is currecy exchange what gambing in that... i agree that the price is highly volatile but if u see its is never going back to $1 -.-

I think buying bitcoins is a gambling LOL, because you are never sure whether the price can go up and down , and
surely it will in one way little or more. I love to buy bitcoin and wait for price rise. If we are ready to hold bitcoins for long term then the risk like gambling will fade away over time.

investing and risking is so different from gambling! you are confusing this two.
both have risks but you have no way of predicting the outcome of a bet in gambling whereas you can predict (or better said speculate) the outcome of your investment.

ofcourse if you invest in anything (not only bitcoin) without any knowledge and experience then it would become a high risk gamble.

Exactly, exchanging currency is more of a investment, and like every investment you first study the pros and cons and in this case.. u will see how the market trend is and then invest. Gambling on the other hand is purely luck.. even if u have 99% win rate.. that 1% will make u lose

i dont encourage people, i even warn people about ponzis(look at my personal message). if i sound like encouraging people, then sorry about that :P stil i'll stick to my word, i am just stating a fact.

Buying bitcoin is not kind of gambling. In any way.... :(

I invested recently in a HYIP and made little profit, I am now starting to believe that HYIP is gambling as I never know which time I would get my money back and when not.

Even same happened with me.. i invested in hyip and lost. so then it clicked my mind.. this is similar to gambling.. u win if u know when to get out or u lose in the long run

I do not know, I guess it is different, in the HYIP you can add bitcoin that you have in a few days, weeks, or months, but I do not know for sure bitcoin is in use as capital to gamble or not, but I guess he's just playing the trading and sharing the results with you according to the agreement of HYIP websites

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Nearly all HYIP schemes are complete scams. You should not be fooled by them at all. They are simply classic pyramid schemes, where the first investors are paid with the capital of the later investors.

When the owner has made enough profit he just simply disappears leaving a lot of people with lost money.

I would say avoid HYIP schemes

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thats one of the similarities of hyip and gambling, everyone will lose in the long run. in gambling, if you don't know when to stop and you'll keep going, you'll just lose in the end ; and on hyip, they dont live long so if you let your investment stay for a long time, your btc will  be vanished. it somehow proves hyip=gambling.

HYIP = gambling !

The different is HYIP provide no reason why do you lose
meanwhile gambling give you reason why you lose by verifying the bet ( trustable gambling site )

phibay.. now u getting my point :) the reason im comparing hyip with gambling is this. but people are not understanding and being mighty and full of themselves

hyip is in fact gambling, both things allow people to win money if they are lucky and lose a lot if people are not lucky, in my opinion both are gambling just the type is different

What are you saying? That is their program to put your money like may be 3 days or 4 days or even a week later so you will the get the payment after you wait the X time that they set. So it doesnt prove that gambling is same as hyip. I think everyone sure wants to put their money like 1 hour that but the program makes you feel they are using your money to get some profit but in the mean time they just scam you guys without you even notice it so gambling and hyip will never be the same from every angle that you see

I sometimes feel we can make good profit with HYIPs too , because see when the HYIP is new (like one or to days old) it will not scam and we can invest in that to gain profits, at the same time we can loose too though with an one day old HYIP programs.

It is just a risk in general. If you deposit over there 'goal' they will close. So even if you deposit 0.001 on the first day you get like 0.0011 back or something. Yes its 100% but if you deposit 0.1+ they will probably take that and start again.

Well, HYIP give reasons as to why the business was not a success, another different story is if this is as verifiable as a gambling site with proper security measures. I hope that in the future we can do decentralized HYIP and we can know and verify where all the money is moving to and see the flow of all the money's investors, to see if its being put to good use or its about to become yet another scam.

HYIP means you are trusting the owner and dont know surely about results. While gambling you have to trust the game or rather sport ( if sportsbook ) . I think risk is equal though.

I think your not correct because trusting some one else, who trust you don't even know is very dangerous than trusting well reputed gambling sites. IN gambling at least you can have some fun so if you lose you can think that you paid some fee for your entertainment but in hyip people are scamming you. Both are completely different but end result may be same in some cases.

Hyip sites will scam you means you will be cheated by some one but in gambling you will try your luck with some sort of games, if you lose than you will get some kind on enjoyment or thrill from these games. So I think these two are not same like you said.

Both in HYIP and gambling we need only luck factor to make any money from our investments.
Without luck we cannot expect any returns from both of these programs. I believe there is no control over our money in both gambling and HYIP programs. So, only luck is needed to secure any returns from it.

I believe comparing the HYIP with the gambling must be right scenario. Because both are out of our control to get back any profit from our bankroll. Once the money invested into HYIP or gambling needs to be forgotten forever. Because there is no guarantee for any returns or for the money we have invested from both HYIP and gambling.

What you said is true. After investing money in these two, we should forget our money until we get it back in out accounts. But in gambling, you will enjoy the game and will have fun time but in hyip investment you will miss this part. That will be difference in both of these two.

HYIP program is a kind of gambling. But, there are lot of real profit sharing programs there. But they do not give you higher returns. When bitcoin itself an awesome investment, whey you people go for HYIP?

That is true, just by keeping coins we can make quite good decent profits but I don't know why people fall on these high interest rate trap and lose all there money to these sites. I think it is a complete waste of money and time in finding a good hyip sites.

I have seen some crazy guys depositing in the prior stages or in the very beginning and taking it our in a couple of days.It is very complicated situation to decide how and when but of course not worth it considering the risks in both of them.Gambling could be satisfactory though.

Gambling is satisfactory when we win. I consider it as a hobby now, I set a definite amount of money I want to gamble and I stick to it, no more than that. I mean people smoke and spend so much everyday day to puff some air out of their mouth. Gambling is my hobby and I like it.

It is risky to invest in HYIP with big amounts as the owner may decide to run off because he can't afford to pay your interest or he decided to run away because the amount invested is large. I would rather gamble in casinos than play HYIP.

@voztata. you have a very good point that why to go for other things when bitcoin itself is awesome investment. The price is quite volatile.. ups and downs.. some people can really earn lots from small trades.

@shanem. yes u got a point but if u invest little .. get the profit for a ew days and they take out the bitcoins along with ur principal.. then that is better than gambling ?

@acuafredda. True. people should keep it just for fun.

Yes, playing gambling is much better than investing into HYIP.
HYIP may give you zero returns. But, gambling definitely will entertain you at least.

Every investment ever in the entire of the human race has been a gamble. You are basically investing in something that may or not work, you just have reasonable expectation that it will. This is no different from gambling. You have reasonable expectations of winning due the edge of the house being more or less fair.

Yes, that's the big difference between gambling and HYIP programs.
Now a days, many people apply a strategy to HYIP, like making profits and withdraw all the investments in day one or two. But these HYIPs could not last at least for 24 hours. Houses always win  ??? ???

I think HYIP is not completely equal to gambling.I mean HYIP is investment ponzi and will eventually turn into scam whereas gambling is not Scam-you already knew you will either win or lose in gambling but in hyip you can lose your money at any time or may be never at all.

For me they are not same because HYIP are scam and also you need to invest to make a profit or interest but it will end to scam.
gambling is a game that you can win or lose and also gambling is for fun and you can make lots of money if you are lucky.

Yes gambling need luck factor to win but for HYIP I dont think so because that is not the same thing as gambling because with gambling you earn your money by yourself but HYIP you are making investment, but that is a scam investment there so there is no way you can use luck factor on hyip. From the start you invest there you will already lose it but with gambling you will still have a chance to get some profit too so both of these have too much difference