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I believe this thread belongs to meta as it has something to do with the forum security.

So as the title says with the conditional operator and both options are same expressing that lauda should not be in DT-2.

Am i butt hurt because of lauda?? let's see..

What will has happened as the user Lauda has been put down from DT-2 Network

1) A pack of scammers are out for the next payload delivery as their account has been once again neutralized and could be used for the noble cause "ripping"
2) Just for an instance "User Kralle is back" and he has scammed 2+ BTc and still his account is neutral and he is striving hard to scam more with it, If Lauda was in DT network then his another attempts would be futile because of trust.

3) If you think Default trust is something that minds in Trading then their should be some social police here who could keep eye on activities.

Conclusion:

Nah..lauda is shit/x.../y/.../.../exe but he is most active user here who has not stopped helping the forum whe he was staff, he has not stopped when he was removed/ Has not stopped when he was in Dt network-2/ he has not stopped when he has been put off.

So what?? People will suggest that make someone who is active in forum and fights back as a New Trusted DT-2 member. But this will not work because , people who are not in DT will strive to get into DT by helping relentlessly but when get in they will be silent and watch as they dont want controversy.. ex: Mexxer-2(saurabh or saurav old indian con), Crypto Devil and many more are there for those i have taken name..i ask for apology as i fear of you. So again was lauda quite when he was in DT, h had a 90% chance of being in attacked and pulled out system but did he kept quite, no because the moderation is in his attitude.

So again Lauda is shit/....Fycker..so he should not be in DT-2 , my opinion s that he should be in DT-1.

I am sure many will find me as shill but ask yourself what has happened to the 200+ accounts(scammers) on which Lauda left the feedback because of scam and warned people, they are left now to take another bit of someones wealth as a rip off.

Again....Get him in DT-1 , this thraed is in Meta and not in Reputation section because it has something to do with forum security, so please mind fucking the words that you put here.

How does someone get into DT2?

I think users place too much trust in the trust network and should use escrow with every trade.

Its not the scammers fault they are scamming its the customers fault for not taking the proper precautions

You are too much senior than me and i thought you might know it sir, but anyways someone will surely explain later this post to you as i am not good in English and cant deliver 100% what i feel.


You traded with MinerJones on 1/7/2017 and as per feedback you sent them first, so how this happened?? The simple answer is : Trust :)

you are right sir, Most of the bitcoin early investors left this forum because of exchange scams, some old buddy who were active just to post in speculation thread will now go as they have no place now and even new comers will fear of using this forum as it is a scam place.

the whole thing doesnot imply that lauda should be in DT but yea he was quite a strong barrier for scammer's pack :)

a scammer should not scam... a buyer should use escrow to ensure he/she is dealing with the right person and not a stolen/bought one.

Lauda did a good job to tag most of those accounts.

Default Trust 1 is a group of trustworthy members chosen by theymos (he mentions it in his thread about the trust system here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211858.0)).  

DT2 is made up of people who are trusted by those on DT1.  Lauda was recently removed from OGNasty's trust list, which has pushed him/her off DT2.

I'm skeptical of whether Lauda is ideal on DT, but no one is perfect and unfortunately there just aren't enough active DT members to tag all the likely scammers that are parading all over the forum freely.

Maybe I just ask questions I already know the answer too  ;D


I sent first to minerjones because he is one of the top 5 escrows on this site, so there is no need to escrow trades with users that are top 5 escrows. However, madiak or derrik goon was a top 5 escrow who scammed me, and a few people on this fourm for the tune of $8000 and he is working to slowly pay them back in order to come back onto this fourm to sell digital goods. He paid me back and took 2 years or so in doing so.  But I think that is pretty trustworthy, to pay someone you scammed back after 2 years like damn.

However, trust score isnt too relevant , look at quicksellers trust, one of the top 10 worst on this site, but I would send to him first in a heartbeat. Look at malevolent's trust, its only at 10 and he is staff.

I think that lauda should be DT1 or DT2 because I dont think anyone works as hard as them with tagging scams. But I do not think its fair that they give negative feedback to someone for their attitude, or opinion on topics but as lauda has pointed out to me in quite a few posts, my opinion doesnt mean shit


How do you know lauda is not on ognastys trust list anymore?

Would you agree/disagree that there are a select few of individuals that "run" the trust on this fourm and if they do not like a certain individual they cause them to be in the middle of their circle jerk?
 
Look at user

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=231497

There trust jumped from neutral to +37 dark green because lauda is no longer DT2. ONE negative was enough to make it neutral that is crazy

Here the escrow is not because you dont trust Minerjones but to ensure you deal with minerjones and not a compromised account.
I can say the Mantis (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=346731) escrow/reship/warehouse services are 100% trustworthy.

Funny how such a "trusted" member gets away with extortion and as soon as he loses DT power puts negative trust on me, after months of the extortion attempt which has been settled. He may be an active member but he is too power hungry and gets butthurt. Other members can tag the scammers, I don't know why lauda should be in DT again with his actions and greedyness.
He now accuses me of giving my alts trust feedback out of thin air... He is probably searching for another witch hunt on me as revenge of "extorting me and losing his power and respect".

Weren't he already removed? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2008292.0
check- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust
He's feedbacks now appears untrusted but he is still a trusted member here in the forum.
Btw , I think this should be in reputation since we talk about trust here. Now if you're pointing out how flawed the forum trust system here then it's a meta discussion.

I think that what it is as of in the current time, it is fine EDIT: it is not fine. Lauda who formerly from DT1 and now in DT2 has its reasons. That's the price of the wrong move that he had made but nonetheless he is very active and been contributing a lot in the forum so not completely removing him as a DT member is better and where he is placed EDIT: as a DT member is justifiable.

And yet they don't. By removing one of the few people that do, we are risking this forum becoming worse than it already is.

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Read the thread before posting.

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Lauda was never on DT1, they were on DT2. They have since been removed from DT2. This means that their feedbacks aren't seen by default.

They have been completely removed as a DT member.

Ummm, Lauda is an extortionist who has zero business being in any kind of power whatsoever.

Many of the trust ratings that Lauda has left are based on unsubstantiated speculation, and/or are not against scammers/suspected scammers by any reasonable definition.

edit:
Lauda has a history of leaving negative trust months/years after alleged incidents as a means to extort others.

edit2: OP, are you Lauda?

Even if she is really an extortionist does not mean she should be removed from default trust list. As long as she had good judgement and is accurate in giving feedback, her being in default trust list in fine.


I think she is rash.


Was there more than one case? Can you back this up? I have read previous incident, but I didn't find any other. I am not very active in 'Scam Accusations' board now. I could have missed it if there was any.

Agreed,  way too much trust in it...however,  Lauda was a good addition to it, because he actively fights scams, which most DT members do not.  Lauda probably pissed off one too many people,  and that doesn't surprise me but it definitely is a shame he got booted.  I'm not kissing ass here; I want nothing from Lauda or any DT members.  People really should customize their trust lists anyway. 

There was a case against defcon23 that wasn't really anything, mainly just defcon and Quickseller coming together to mutually talk bad of the incident. It's also important to note that both defcon and Quickseller are blackmailers/extortionists themselves, so it is the pots calling the kettle black at best.

I also think you may have been around for it, however I may be wrong - here is the link (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1397579.msg15567061#msg15567061).

I would say that Lauda does not have good judgment and is not accurate in his feedback. Also being an extortionist would allow him to use the power to leave a negative rating that shows up by default as a tool to get his victims to pay up.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1397579.msg15567061#msg15567061 <-- Lauda left defcon23 negative trust months (if not >a year) after an alleged incident. He also left his first negative rating against me over a year after what he claimed I did.

MZ, that ranks among the stupidest comments I've read online.   If someone truly extorted another person, you don't think that should disqualify someone from a default trust list?  Come on, bro.  But the fact I see is that that whole thing was an attempt to set up zeroxal, i.e., it wasn't a true extortion attempt.  A sting operation.   Misguided perhaps, but I don't believe it had the malicious intent others, like QS, are ascribing to it.  If it was true extortion,  there's no way in hell the extortionist should be on DT.

Why don't you explain both of the following:

1) How is 'you need to pay me or I will contact the police about your crimes' not extortion?
2) How would paying the above extortion payment be evidence of any crime? In other words in which scenario would this "sting operation" uncover evidence of a crime?

edit: are you lauda?

Is he not? Oh I see. Also I had recently viewed a profile where Lauda's negative trust feedback was not counted anymore and been displayed at the untrusted feedback. Pretty much explains it.


Sorry I kind of got confused. As I recall Lauda was a staff so I though that it is autmatic to be listed in DT1 but I guess my understanding is wrong. But I think he should still be a DT member since he displayed a good combat against spammers but if not then it is fine since he holds a number of campaigns hence he can still do it.

Combatting spammers shouldn't count for anything to do with DT. The moderators / admins should be taking action against spammers.
Lauda was active against scammers. Has somebody else in DT tagged the accounts which Lauda had previously tagged?

I shall not comment on the thread yet for various reasons (mostly busy).

I have contacted a few DT members to go through my ratings. Hopefully offending accounts will soon receive the ratings that they deserve.

As far as I know, moderators/admins are not actively participating to combat spammers or maybe some? Lauda on the other hand is active in combatting spammers and scammers even though he is not a forum staff so it kinda saddens me which his feedback is not anymore counted but its value hasn't still disappear for me.

If it was extortion with trust feedback as leverage, he must be removed. If it was another case and was only a single case, I won't remove him from trust list as long he has good judgement, leave accurate feedback and is active.


It is not about the intention here because we can't verify what they claim is true. If their extortion attempt was successful, they can run away with that money. If not, they can claim extortion for money was not their intention. I can't say whether this was the case with Lauda because I haven't interacted with her.

That's the most worst decision and a very wrong move that Lauda and her companions did. Even though it is for good intent but she and her colleagues didn't have the consent of the admin or not even clearly discussed through the members of the forum staffs.

What is the basis for you to say that lauda's extortion scheme had good intentions? Are you Lauda?

Well that's what they say but I should say that no one knows. I didn't said that I am the one who said that since I didn't use the pronoun "I", didn't I? Read it carefully and comprehend it properly.

You stated as a fact that Lauda was using good intentions when he attempted to extort someone. What is the basis for that statement?

You also did not answer my question if you are Lauda or not.

Do you really have a problem with your comprehension? I opened the sentence with "even though" and are you utterly stupid and just trolling of expecting me to answer that lamest question you asked! Go back to your english teacher and learn some reading comprehension!

In other words, there is no basis for your statement that Lauda had good intentions when he tried to extort someone.

The facts that you are both refusing to say that you are not Lauda, and that you are shilling for Lauda makes you very suspicious.

Since you don't have a common sense let me say that I am not Lauda so stop playing a detective wannabe. And I am not even trying to make Lauda a good person by giving that statement.

Let me teach you:

"Even though" is like "even if she says that". So we can read it as "Even she says that it is for good intent". Can you get any dumber please? At first I thought you are a troll but now you prove yourself that you're a clown. What a funny guy! A jerk, troll, and clown. That's 3 characteristics of such a magnificent person.

You seem to possess a much smaller brain than a regular human has. :D

What's so bad about Lauda?

I've never had an issue in an way with Lauda over various interactions.



~BCX~

how many accounts lauda has in this forum?

lauda always like to teach ppl ;D

with lauda everyone get a problem of comprehension. ::)

QS should see there are one or two lauda alt account in this thread ;D ;D


I dont use my real account because i dont want that lauda ruin my life one more time. ;) ;)

I don't have any alt accounts.

A single one.

That's probably because you aren't account farming and whatnot like quick scammers do. :D

Yup using an escrow is safe hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

TRUST SYSTEM?
See my earlier ha ha

Not the scammers fault?

Here is a thought.. Don't trade with shit heads here.
Problem solved.

Then what does your trust rating here mean after that?
I could care less if I had -999
What difference would it make it?
If I wanted to buy or sell coins I would go to an exchange or LocalBitcoins etc.
Anything else I would look elsewhere than dealing with scammy fuck tards here.

Maybe quit being low hanging crypto fruit?

Is there any legit reason to buy or sell anything here ever?
Not really..
And if there is just do what I do and that is deal with people you already know and trust.
Anyone trying to do shit on a notoriously scammy forum is an idiot that gets what they deserve.
Don't like it?
Go to a forum that disallows scams maybe morons.

And aside from greedy buying selling schemes what does the trust rating here do for you?
Unless you are having it used for some purpose it then serves no purpose.

Topic?

I couldn't care less.

I think that the correct wording would be: "Usually a lot safer".

New members often do not know who is a "shit head" and who isn't.

It would. People would be reluctant to trade with you or trust you in other ways.

It's not just about that.

That is just nonsense.

Hey QS and Kiklo please stop jumping so much my roof is coming down on my head :D there will be a time for her to jump and celebrate don't you all know Karma is real?
Didn't Satoshi invent bitcoin because of the same trust issue? why not make it implemented on this forum as well something like trust miners as more feed back you'd have more power in your voting, people could vote on scores like steem, when someone posts any feedback after paying a fee their review order will be a priority, more fees means needs urgent voting, and then a few  pools of different member groups will vote up or down and which ever of those groups had more trusted people in them could receive the fees and then rate negative or positive.

Or just please I beg of you Satoshi, sorry Theymos to make people actually to pay a fee whenever they want to post any feed back, if you would have to pay $20/ $40 for leaving red tag then you'd be extremely careful with your feed backs, more numbers being added to your trust score the more you'd be paying, let people buy their green trusts but at least they'd be paying from pocket and none of this would've happened.

Simply don't give people power and then complain how they abuse it, wtf did you expect? you just give me power and I will abuse it, it's in our nature, Lauda and her personality is irrelevant here, don't let the door open because the little cute kitty is curious and will go outside, instead put a dog in the yard or give her an electric shock every time she tried to go out, it means she'd have to pay a price and far she'd go the more powerful the shock.

This is like having a daughter and chaining her in the house saying if she goes out she might have sex with someone eventually and then a few short minded morons come here and throw a party just because you installed an iron electric fence in front of her va*ina, denying her from being her true self.

Lauda doesn't need to get back on the DT because people will come and keep crushing her, the trust system should change, if I ever wanted to leave a negative on someone then I should pay a sum to at least 50 people and if 26 of them vote against me I still would be paying that fee but the case had been reviewed by 50 members, and the funds could be accumulated over time and all of those 50 members would receive their share every month and those members also must change periodically and randomly to avoid gaming the system.

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If I spent more than an hour to type this is because I truly admire and respect Lauda, not because of her position but because she has an extraordinary and unique character, even though I know like everyone else that she's so mean

Love how every single QS "rebuttal" in this thread ends with "are you Lauda?".  It's just that our own favorite sockpuppeteer can't help but thinking that everyone else works the way he does: an army of sockpuppets to try to keep bumping and echoing.  QS: you've been caught at it again and again, do you remember when you said you were going to leave the forum?

Well i don't have a problem with Lauda.
She / He / It ..is trying to make the system we have here work.
I don't like how the system is setup or i should say changed over time.
For example when i got here there was no SIG campaigns or ICO's to spam about.

Lauda has clearly been trying to make what we have here work.
I just don't see it as anything usable..
What she said was "nonsense".

What kind of an idiot trades here on the forum when scamming is allowed ?
Seriously.
Did you all hear me point out how staff ignore the Paypal TOS issue ?
How they allow SIG campaign'ers to run wild ?
How they allow spamming all over so guys can rank up ? Seen off topic ?
Guys can sell their accounts ? then cry hacked and charge back on it ?
Do i need to go on ?

This place is fucked up and scammy beyond comprehension.
So yeah.. why would you be using your bought account to create a business out of it buying & selling Paypal / BTC here ?
What happens when PP is tipped off ?
And ohhh yes idiots.. i can assure you i have in fact ratted you the fuck out too.
I told them to come here and watch you shitheads.
And yeah.. PP knows who the shitheads are. ;)

They are the ones who i tried to neg but got banned and posts removed and mouthed off etc
when i negged the PP army of traders here who hop from account to account..
Staff here protect them and their scammy forum account monetization antics.
I pointed out how one of them for example told me he had been caught numerous times and had money taken by PP and he simply goes and creates a new account at PP then says he rights off the money and forgets about it.

So what happens when the PP fraudsters forum busness man here can not recover the seized funds or cover the loss ?
The users gets burned.
Is there a sticky on that warning people ? Of fucking course not ROFL  :D

And what did theymos have in that market section ?
A sticky on how PP charge backs are a risk.
Uhhh no theymos.. getting caught having any association to crypto with your PP account is a risk.
We know because it says so in the TOS.
And when i post about that in that section they delete my posts.
Who ? ...staff + the guys account hopping.

Making it work ?

fuck off.. gimme a break  :D
those days are long gone Lauda.. the ship sailed and no one told you.

This place is a scam fest and it is because staff want it this way.
Every which way you look at it this is a corrupt rigged scammy ass retarded joke.

So ?

yeah..

uhh WHY the fucking hell would you be here doing deals with nobody random accounts ?
Which i might add are the overwhelming majority here.

PS:
I have done a few deals with guys in crypto and i sure as hell never used an Escrow.
Myself and the others parties had full 100% trust.
I have never used an escrow in my life once.
Why would i ?
If you don't trust the person should you be doing deals with them ?

ahh greed is a hell of a bitch isn't it ROFL

@Lauda
I agreed with everything you said earlier in response to me except the last part.
Don't take offense i see what you mean etc.
I just differ in my view that trying to fix this place is worth it.
Not when we do not have support from admins.

Thanks. Obviously I am unique as I am lucipurr. :P

You are all Lauda, said the master sockpuppeteer. :D

I disagree with you. Had I not used this forum, I would never have bought the items that I have. Bitcoin physical collectibles would probably be very rare in comparison (i.e. not many would be made, and a "community" would never have formed). The only alternative where there is a fair amount of coins listed (at absurdly high prices) is Ebay, and I would rather not buy coins at all than use that.

It seems the hero is back to action.
Welcome back lauda to power...

Welcome lauda to be back in DT-2 :)

I really don't think it is appropriate to have an extortionist on the default trust network. Especially one that ignores negative consequences of his actions and solely takes actions based on positive possible outcomes.

This makes me question the judgment of hilariousandco

I can transform back to super kitty again! :D

Thanks.

This is absolutely untrue. Then again, what can one expect from a known scammer who sells DT accounts to other scammers and whatnot? ::)

You're really predictable.

hilariousandco make the right decision.

Lauda has tagged a lot of scammers in the past - many which I and other DT members did not tag because he did.  It would not be right for all those rightfully tagged members to revert back to neutral.  I don't agree with everything he tags, but I'm sure everyone doesn't agree with everyone I tag.  :)

QS is butthurt because his trust is back where it belongs. 

Most of the other DT1 members (except HostFat and OgNasty) seem to have a neutral view on the whole episode.
You can try to work on them.

Sure, except for those that who don't want lauda in the default trust network, all of the "DT1" members have a neutral position/s

There are 13 people trusted directly by DefaultTrust, two of them have explicitly excluded lauda and at least one of them fired lauda from being a moderator. Cyrus also used to have lauda on his trust list but removed him after his extortion incident.

That is between 15 and 30% of "DT1" members depending on how you count, which is no trivial percentage.

QuickSeller can I ask why you seem so concerned about it?
Sorry but it seems you have a vested interest.. Not sure what entirely.
And I sided with you more than Lauda on the drama before too eh.
I'm just a bit dumb founded why this seems to matter so much to you.

And in addition to that, I'm not sure why anyone would listen to the opinion of a scammer who has a negative feedback score in the hundreds.  It's true what Vod said, he's butthurt, and additionally he's a troll of trolls.  Likely extremely autistic and certainly a psychopathic personality.

Definitely mixed opinions on Lauda.  That so-called sting operation probably was ill advised, but overall he/she/it does a great job with the scammer whackamole game.  And QS, I don't claim to know Lauda's intentions (no one can).  But when all is weighed together, I don't believe it was truly an extortion attempt.  I believe it was exactly as it was claimed, which is a trap set up to catch Zeroxal. 

HostFat has excluded me due to my strongly vocal views of the BU cancer. It has nothing to do with the trust system (nor is he fit for DT1 anyways). The latter is irrelevant. ::)

I have never been informed of either one, thus I'm going to assume you're lying. When Cyrus went to DT1, I explicitly remember not being on his list. Which is something that I should avoid commenting on, for his sake. ::)

1 out of 13 people. 15-30% only in your delusions. :-*

I have probably tagged a ton of his accounts to-be-sold or used for to-be-used-for-spamming.

Mistakes were made, things have been learned. ;D

That a was what I was trying not to say Lauda in your reply back to me..
Pearl's I agree..
I can think of no other reason why he has such a vested interest in you being on DT or not.
QuickSeller has quite the hard on for you.  :o
He's been railing against Lauda all over for ages..

I have never had any issue with QuickSeller either so I don't want him to think I am so much trying to take sides..
Just highlighting a perspective.

Me I couldn't care less about trust rating stuff aside from I end up having to explain mine often which can be tiresome.
It's not like I ever ripped anyone off.
People shoe horned a negative on me here over sketchy reasons.
Like Kludge I will never know why he came after me out of the blue randomly with multiple accounts and a death threat via pm.. And VOD got mad over a joke then escalated things..
And the Monero guys had negged me 4 times with 2 accounts over a topic title here.. Called Monero French police fraud.
Later I noticed smooth removed his two negs and smoothie never removed his two.

So I think it's about personal agendas all too often.
In my view trust system abuse.
It shouldn't be about who likes whom like popularity contest in high school.

I have not seen Lauda do anything wrong.

She runs a campaign for for a lot of things, specifically I was in Bitmixer and she paid out to me 6 different weeks in a row and was fair about it. I got over .15 BTC in that time period. I would not expect a scammer to pay me on time every week, let alone paying tons of other people and managing multiple campaigns. Though I wanted to say I am unsure if she directly controlled the payments or not, but I believe she did check post history and do everything else each week involved in a campaign.

Just for the fun of it, I just went through her feedback and looked at anything negative people said, nothing  shows that she has done anything wrong. All of the reference links people put make no sense and don't prove or show anything. To me it looks like she flags a lot of scammers and newbies asking for loans.

I do not see any problems. What exactly are people's complaints against her, that she gives potential scammers negative trust?? So the scammers she flags go and leave her bad feedback?lol....

EDIT: I am now unsure if Lauda is a guy or a woman because I see other people saying "he"above. Sorry if I got it wrong :) not intentional.

Lauda is literally threatening to leave negative trust against anyone who disagrees with him.

Is this the kind of person who should have any kind of power.

*actually blazed and hilariousandco are leaving negative ratings for anyone who disagrees with lauda via lauda

Edit - http://archive.is/H3dPR

That is not a threat. I suggest visiting a nearby hospital as you may be suffering from mental issues. The point of that post (or paragraph of the post) is that the claim itself is ludicrous, and OP could be proven wrong by posting a list of such accounts (which would obviously get banned).

That is exactly what it is. You are implying that you will leave negative ratings for this person's account who is disagreeing with you.

This is what you did to BMB when he asked you tough questions in The Who should be the new owner of the WO thread. This is what you have done other times as well.

Absolute nonsense. Read my post before spamming (nothing surprising for an (ex)sig. spammer and account farmer).

1) you edited your post after I responded
2) your ad hominem attacks only make it look like you know you have a weak argument (you do)
3) you have a history of engaging in this behavior
4) anyone who has the authority to ban accounts in that manner already has access to that information so posting it would be redundant and asking him to post it would be redundant.

I've fixed these for you. I guess you miss-typed what you initially wanted to say.

Hilariousandco and grue can ban them, and they do not have access to any extra information. Again, you are unable to admit to being wrong (must be some weird complex of yours, just like your obsession with cats). :)

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I sense some inherent panic.

OH THE FUCKING IRONY!!! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1614573.0)

Whatever QS does and thinks is cool, what others do and think is wrong.

No reason to think he isn't still sig spamming and account farming.  He's definitely still doing all the other stuff he used to do.

Do you have any proof of that? Because I think that's some pretty serious accusations. Most signature campaigns have a rule of only one user per.

No.