Lauda should not be in DT2 ::::: Agree ? Yes : FuckOff

[DrMsEr]

I believe this thread belongs to meta as it has something to do with the forum security.

So as the title says with the conditional operator and both options are same expressing that lauda should not be in DT-2.

Am i butt hurt because of lauda?? let's see..

What will has happened as the user Lauda has been put down from DT-2 Network

1) A pack of scammers are out for the next payload delivery as their account has been once again neutralized and could be used for the noble cause "ripping"
2) Just for an instance "User Kralle is back" and he has scammed 2+ BTc and still his account is neutral and he is striving hard to scam more with it, If Lauda was in DT network then his another attempts would be futile because of trust.

3) If you think Default trust is something that minds in Trading then their should be some social police here who could keep eye on activities.

Conclusion:

Nah..lauda is shit/x.../y/.../.../exe but he is most active user here who has not stopped helping the forum whe he was staff, he has not stopped when he was removed/ Has not stopped when he was in Dt network-2/ he has not stopped when he has been put off.

So what?? People will suggest that make someone who is active in forum and fights back as a New Trusted DT-2 member. But this will not work because , people who are not in DT will strive to get into DT by helping relentlessly but when get in they will be silent and watch as they dont want controversy.. ex: Mexxer-2(saurabh or saurav old indian con), Crypto Devil and many more are there for those i have taken name..i ask for apology as i fear of you. So again was lauda quite when he was in DT, h had a 90% chance of being in attacked and pulled out system but did he kept quite, no because the moderation is in his attitude.

So again Lauda is shit/....Fycker..so he should not be in DT-2 , my opinion s that he should be in DT-1.

I am sure many will find me as shill but ask yourself what has happened to the 200+ accounts(scammers) on which Lauda left the feedback because of scam and warned people, they are left now to take another bit of someones wealth as a rip off.

Again....Get him in DT-1 , this thraed is in Meta and not in Reputation section because it has something to do with forum security, so please mind fucking the words that you put here.

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[FFrankie]

How does someone get into DT2?

I think users place too much trust in the trust network and should use escrow with every trade.

Its not the scammers fault they are scamming its the customers fault for not taking the proper precautions

[DrMsEr]

How does someone get into DT2?

You are too much senior than me and i thought you might know it sir, but anyways someone will surely explain later this post to you as i am not good in English and cant deliver 100% what i feel.

I think users place too much trust in the trust network and should use escrow with every trade.

You traded with MinerJones on 1/7/2017 and as per feedback you sent them first, so how this happened?? The simple answer is : Trust

Its not the scammers fault they are scamming its the customers fault for not taking the proper precautions

you are right sir, Most of the bitcoin early investors left this forum because of exchange scams, some old buddy who were active just to post in speculation thread will now go as they have no place now and even new comers will fear of using this forum as it is a scam place.

the whole thing doesnot imply that lauda should be in DT but yea he was quite a strong barrier for scammer's pack

[klaaas]

Its not the scammers fault they are scamming its the customers fault for not taking the proper precautions

a scammer should not scam... a buyer should use escrow to ensure he/she is dealing with the right person and not a stolen/bought one.

Lauda did a good job to tag most of those accounts.

[Iranus]

How does someone get into DT2?

Default Trust 1 is a group of trustworthy members chosen by theymos (he mentions it in his thread about the trust system here).  

DT2 is made up of people who are trusted by those on DT1.  Lauda was recently removed from OGNasty's trust list, which has pushed him/her off DT2.

I'm skeptical of whether Lauda is ideal on DT, but no one is perfect and unfortunately there just aren't enough active DT members to tag all the likely scammers that are parading all over the forum freely.

[FFrankie]

How does someone get into DT2?

You are too much senior than me and i thought you might know it sir, but anyways someone will surely explain later this post to you as i am not good in English and cant deliver 100% what i feel.

I think users place too much trust in the trust network and should use escrow with every trade.

You traded with MinerJones on 1/7/2017 and as per feedback you sent them first, so how this happened?? The simple answer is : Trust

Its not the scammers fault they are scamming its the customers fault for not taking the proper precautions

you are right sir, Most of the bitcoin early investors left this forum because of exchange scams, some old buddy who were active just to post in speculation thread will now go as they have no place now and even new comers will fear of using this forum as it is a scam place.

the whole thing doesnot imply that lauda should be in DT but yea he was quite a strong barrier for scammer's pack

Maybe I just ask questions I already know the answer too  


I sent first to minerjones because he is one of the top 5 escrows on this site, so there is no need to escrow trades with users that are top 5 escrows. However, madiak or derrik goon was a top 5 escrow who scammed me, and a few people on this fourm for the tune of $8000 and he is working to slowly pay them back in order to come back onto this fourm to sell digital goods. He paid me back and took 2 years or so in doing so.  But I think that is pretty trustworthy, to pay someone you scammed back after 2 years like damn.

However, trust score isnt too relevant , look at quicksellers trust, one of the top 10 worst on this site, but I would send to him first in a heartbeat. Look at malevolent's trust, its only at 10 and he is staff.

I think that lauda should be DT1 or DT2 because I dont think anyone works as hard as them with tagging scams. But I do not think its fair that they give negative feedback to someone for their attitude, or opinion on topics but as lauda has pointed out to me in quite a few posts, my opinion doesnt mean shit


How do you know lauda is not on ognastys trust list anymore?

Would you agree/disagree that there are a select few of individuals that "run" the trust on this fourm and if they do not like a certain individual they cause them to be in the middle of their circle jerk?
 
Look at user

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=231497

There trust jumped from neutral to +37 dark green because lauda is no longer DT2. ONE negative was enough to make it neutral that is crazy

[klaaas]

I sent first to minerjones because he is one of the top 5 escrows on this site, so there is no need to escrow trades with users that are top 5 escrows.

Here the escrow is not because you dont trust Minerjones but to ensure you deal with minerjones and not a compromised account.
I can say the Mantis escrow/reship/warehouse services are 100% trustworthy.

[Zeroxal]

Funny how such a "trusted" member gets away with extortion and as soon as he loses DT power puts negative trust on me, after months of the extortion attempt which has been settled. He may be an active member but he is too power hungry and gets butthurt. Other members can tag the scammers, I don't know why lauda should be in DT again with his actions and greedyness.
He now accuses me of giving my alts trust feedback out of thin air... He is probably searching for another witch hunt on me as revenge of "extorting me and losing his power and respect".

[jaceefrost]

Weren't he already removed? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2008292.0
check- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust
He's feedbacks now appears untrusted but he is still a trusted member here in the forum.
Btw , I think this should be in reputation since we talk about trust here. Now if you're pointing out how flawed the forum trust system here then it's a meta discussion.

[dillpicklechips]

I think that what it is as of in the current time, it is fine EDIT: it is not fine. Lauda who formerly from DT1 and now in DT2 has its reasons. That's the price of the wrong move that he had made but nonetheless he is very active and been contributing a lot in the forum so not completely removing him as a DT member is better and where he is placed EDIT: as a DT member is justifiable.

[minifrij]

Other members can tag the scammers

And yet they don't. By removing one of the few people that do, we are risking this forum becoming worse than it already is.

Weren't he already removed? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2008292.0

Read the thread before posting.

Lauda who formerly from DT1 and now in DT2 has its reasons.

Lauda was never on DT1, they were on DT2. They have since been removed from DT2. This means that their feedbacks aren't seen by default.

That's the price of the wrong move that he had made but nonetheless he is very active and been contributing a lot in the forum so not completely removing him as a DT member is better and where he is placed is justifiable.

They have been completely removed as a DT member.

[Quickseller]

Ummm, Lauda is an extortionist who has zero business being in any kind of power whatsoever.

Many of the trust ratings that Lauda has left are based on unsubstantiated speculation, and/or are not against scammers/suspected scammers by any reasonable definition.

edit:

Funny how such a "trusted" member gets away with extortion and as soon as he loses DT power puts negative trust on me, after months of the extortion attempt which has been settled. He may be an active member but he is too power hungry and gets butthurt. Other members can tag the scammers, I don't know why lauda should be in DT again with his actions and greedyness.
He now accuses me of giving my alts trust feedback out of thin air... He is probably searching for another witch hunt on me as revenge of "extorting me and losing his power and respect".

Lauda has a history of leaving negative trust months/years after alleged incidents as a means to extort others.

edit2: OP, are you Lauda?

[Muhammed Zakir]

Ummm, Lauda is an extortionist who has zero business being in any kind of power whatsoever.

Even if she is really an extortionist does not mean she should be removed from default trust list. As long as she had good judgement and is accurate in giving feedback, her being in default trust list in fine.

Many of the trust ratings that Lauda has left are based on unsubstantiated speculation, and/or are not against scammers/suspected scammers by any reasonable definition.

I think she is rash.

edit:

Funny how such a "trusted" member gets away with extortion and as soon as he loses DT power puts negative trust on me, after months of the extortion attempt which has been settled. He may be an active member but he is too power hungry and gets butthurt. Other members can tag the scammers, I don't know why lauda should be in DT again with his actions and greedyness.
He now accuses me of giving my alts trust feedback out of thin air... He is probably searching for another witch hunt on me as revenge of "extorting me and losing his power and respect".

Lauda has a history of leaving negative trust months/years after alleged incidents as a means to extort others.

Was there more than one case? Can you back this up? I have read previous incident, but I didn't find any other. I am not very active in 'Scam Accusations' board now. I could have missed it if there was any.

[Pearls Before Swine]

How does someone get into DT2?

I think users place too much trust in the trust network and should use escrow with every trade.

Its not the scammers fault they are scamming its the customers fault for not taking the proper precautions

Agreed,  way too much trust in it...however,  Lauda was a good addition to it, because he actively fights scams, which most DT members do not.  Lauda probably pissed off one too many people,  and that doesn't surprise me but it definitely is a shame he got booted.  I'm not kissing ass here; I want nothing from Lauda or any DT members.  People really should customize their trust lists anyway. 

[minifrij]

Was there more than one case? Can you back this up? I have read previous incident, but I didn't find any other. I am not very active in 'Scam Accusations' board now. I could have missed it if there was any.

There was a case against defcon23 that wasn't really anything, mainly just defcon and Quickseller coming together to mutually talk bad of the incident. It's also important to note that both defcon and Quickseller are blackmailers/extortionists themselves, so it is the pots calling the kettle black at best.

I also think you may have been around for it, however I may be wrong - here is the link.

[Quickseller]

Ummm, Lauda is an extortionist who has zero business being in any kind of power whatsoever.

Even if she is really an extortionist does not mean she should be removed from default trust list. As long as she had good judgement and is accurate in giving feedback, her being in default trust list in fine.

I would say that Lauda does not have good judgment and is not accurate in his feedback. Also being an extortionist would allow him to use the power to leave a negative rating that shows up by default as a tool to get his victims to pay up.

edit:

Funny how such a "trusted" member gets away with extortion and as soon as he loses DT power puts negative trust on me, after months of the extortion attempt which has been settled. He may be an active member but he is too power hungry and gets butthurt. Other members can tag the scammers, I don't know why lauda should be in DT again with his actions and greedyness.
He now accuses me of giving my alts trust feedback out of thin air... He is probably searching for another witch hunt on me as revenge of "extorting me and losing his power and respect".

Lauda has a history of leaving negative trust months/years after alleged incidents as a means to extort others.

Was there more than one case? Can you back this up? I have read previous incident, but I didn't find any other. I am not very active in 'Scam Accusations' board now. I could have missed it if there was any.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1397579.msg15567061#msg15567061 <-- Lauda left defcon23 negative trust months (if not >a year) after an alleged incident. He also left his first negative rating against me over a year after what he claimed I did.

[Pearls Before Swine]

MZ, that ranks among the stupidest comments I've read online.   If someone truly extorted another person, you don't think that should disqualify someone from a default trust list?  Come on, bro.  But the fact I see is that that whole thing was an attempt to set up zeroxal, i.e., it wasn't a true extortion attempt.  A sting operation.   Misguided perhaps, but I don't believe it had the malicious intent others, like QS, are ascribing to it.  If it was true extortion,  there's no way in hell the extortionist should be on DT.

[Quickseller]

MZ, that ranks among the stupidest comments I've read online.   If someone truly extorted another person, you don't think that should disqualify someone from a default trust list?  Come on, bro.  But the fact I see is that that whole thing was an attempt to set up zeroxal, i.e., it wasn't a true extortion attempt.  A sting operation.   Misguided perhaps, but I don't believe it had the malicious intent others, like QS, are ascribing to it.  If it was true extortion,  there's no way in hell the extortionist should be on DT.

Why don't you explain both of the following:

1) How is 'you need to pay me or I will contact the police about your crimes' not extortion?
2) How would paying the above extortion payment be evidence of any crime? In other words in which scenario would this "sting operation" uncover evidence of a crime?

edit: are you lauda?

[dillpicklechips]

Lauda who formerly from DT1 and now in DT2 has its reasons.

Lauda was never on DT1, they were on DT2. They have since been removed from DT2. This means that their feedbacks aren't seen by default.

Is he not? Oh I see. Also I had recently viewed a profile where Lauda's negative trust feedback was not counted anymore and been displayed at the untrusted feedback. Pretty much explains it.

That's the price of the wrong move that he had made but nonetheless he is very active and been contributing a lot in the forum so not completely removing him as a DT member is better and where he is placed is justifiable.

They have been completely removed as a DT member.

Sorry I kind of got confused. As I recall Lauda was a staff so I though that it is autmatic to be listed in DT1 but I guess my understanding is wrong. But I think he should still be a DT member since he displayed a good combat against spammers but if not then it is fine since he holds a number of campaigns hence he can still do it.

[botany]

Sorry I kind of got confused. As I recall Lauda was a staff so I though that it is autmatic to be listed in DT1 but I guess my understanding is wrong. But I think he should still be a DT member since he displayed a good combat against spammers but if not then it is fine since he holds a number of campaigns hence he can still do it.

Combatting spammers shouldn't count for anything to do with DT. The moderators / admins should be taking action against spammers.
Lauda was active against scammers. Has somebody else in DT tagged the accounts which Lauda had previously tagged?