[Suggestions] of The Others a.k.a digaran

[digaran]

Why should we trust a green trusted member? because another green trusted member has left him/her a positive feedback. how could we trust the two green trusted members? because they all are trusted by theymos? but theymos doesn't trust some of the green trusted members.

If I want to trust them then I am allowed to do so.  If I believe there is value in the green trust and I wish to make an agreement with one of the I am allowed to do so.  I get to decide how much value the trust colour has for ME.  Just as you and everyone else here are free to do the same or the opposite its your choice big boy! 

Not true, we're forced to trust a selected few by default or distrust a few by default. we don't actually have a choice, this is an illusion of free will. somebody like suchmoon would tag me just to say that I'm not even worth 0.01 after being here for 2.5 years.
We are forced to live with this unfair system unfortunately if we want to be a part of this community. I know it as well. I have no complaints other than speaking my mind.

Again, people are leaving -+ trust for anybody they want and the ones with the power of giving default -+ trust are abusing it, they have a cartel and they are using this community to build an empire. and we are the village idiots they say.

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Why would this benefit people at all? Is it because you want to hide your trust rating?

I would say he's trolling, but I can't even tell any more.

He's just trolling. He thinks he's funny but he's not. He's managed to get his account ruined with multiple red trusts so he probably figures he hasn't got anything to lose. I was hoping he'd learn his lesson and change his ways once he managed to get his initial negative feedback changed to neutral, but instead he ramped up the trolling for some reason and now look at him. Unless diagran is willing to change his behaviour I'd just ignore him from now on because I think these sorts of threads will just become more common.

Your slave has tagged me red again, he needs to keep tagging me in order to stay on DT2, right?

Yes, that's correct. I almost had to remove him from DT when I saw he had removed your initial feedback. Bad slave.

Translation of the bolded part: digaran has to be a good boy, he has to be my little bitch otherwise I'll ignore him.

Well there's only so much of your nonsense I'm willing to engage with because I know it's going to go nowhere. If you've decided your account is only worth for trolling then people should do what annoy trolls the most and ignore them. 

EDIT: I would also like to suggest that DT2 members to pass a KYC procedure, theymos should be the only one who'd see the documents. I'd say that DT1 members who are acting as escrow should also pass KYC. one person has to have a way of tracking them if things goes south. we need at least to trust theymos to keep the information safe and never betrays DT1-2 members.

You see, do you actually believe this or are you just posting nonsense? theymos would never do this and has already publicly shot such a suggestion down.

[marlboroza]

EDIT: I would also like to suggest that DT2 members to pass a KYC procedure, theymos should be the only one who'd see the documents. I'd say that DT1 members who are acting as escrow should also pass KYC. one person has to have a way of tracking them if things goes south. we need at least to trust theymos to keep the information safe and never betrays DT1-2 members.

You see, do you actually believe this or are you just posting nonsense? theymos would never do this and has already publicly shot such a suggestion down.

Maybe KYD -know your default?

Or better - KYS - know your slave? 

[digaran]

EDIT: I would also like to suggest that DT2 members to pass a KYC procedure, theymos should be the only one who'd see the documents. I'd say that DT1 members who are acting as escrow should also pass KYC. one person has to have a way of tracking them if things goes south. we need at least to trust theymos to keep the information safe and never betrays DT1-2 members.

You see, do you actually believe this or are you just posting nonsense? theymos would never do this and has already publicly shot such a suggestion down.

Maybe KYD -know your default?

Or better - KYS - know your slave? 

Admit that you are a slave to your master's wills. you had to tag me again because you were afraid to lose your position. it hurts to be right. right?

[digaran]

We need a moderator in off-topic section. people are posting 100% garbage. I'd like to suggest to people start reporting a few of totally garbage posts on off-topic and any of the other forum boards with no moderators. let us clean this place together. you certainly don't want me to tag you all and ask you to report garbage posts do you? if I see nobody cares I might use force to make you all campaign shitposters to help a bit.

I forgot to add. please don't tag me. these are my ideas.

[digaran]

I would like to suggest that forum should ban account sales. how?

Here is the way:

Disable the signature for any account with changed email address, it is not efficient to manually verify if every single account has been sold or not, so we could remove the chance for garbage posters/sig spammers to keep posting garbage.

Here is my argument:
We know that people here are earning money by posting, nothing wrong with that as long as they post constructively, however we could test people's loyalty to this forum and to the Bitcoin, if they are here only to post and get paid, better we tackle the issue from the roots, how?

Let them to be here and post if they are really here to support crypto, disable their signatures to see if they stay or would leave?
If they stay after getting their sig disabled, good for them and for us, if they leave then we know that they were only here to post garbage.
Account sellers would hate this idea.

[suchmoon]

Disable the signature for any account with changed email address

E-mail address change is not a proof of account sale. Legitimate users can change their e-mail addresses for legitimate reasons. Account farmers can sell accounts with farmed e-mail addresses therefore not needing to change them. Stop repeating this nonsense.

[digaran]

Disable the signature for any account with changed email address

E-mail address change is not a proof of account sale. Legitimate users can change their e-mail addresses for legitimate reasons. Account farmers can sell accounts with farmed e-mail addresses therefore not needing to change them. Stop repeating this nonsense.

Password reset and email change then? legitimate users could still post, they wont be affected.

[suchmoon]

Disable the signature for any account with changed email address

E-mail address change is not a proof of account sale. Legitimate users can change their e-mail addresses for legitimate reasons. Account farmers can sell accounts with farmed e-mail addresses therefore not needing to change them. Stop repeating this nonsense.

Password reset and email change then? legitimate users could still post, they wont be affected.

Which part of "Account farmers can sell accounts with farmed e-mail addresses therefore not needing to change them" is not sufficiently clear to you?

1) Account farmer, let's call her SlowBuyer, creates an email account farmed-account-1256@gmail.com and a corresponding forum account "totally-not-farmed-account-1256".
2) SlowBuyer shitposts with the "totally-not-farmed-account-1256" for a few weeks, maybe sends a merit or two to it.
3) SlowBuyer sells "totally-not-farmed-account-1256" together with farmed-account-1256@gmail.com.
4) There is no e-mail change nor password reset. There is likely a password change, which is not proof of anything.

Your plan is stupid, give it up.

[digaran]

Your plan is

Great then, so we could disable signatures for password reset accounts only?

[suchmoon]

Your plan is

Great then, so we could disable signatures for password reset accounts only?

It would inconvenience legitimate accounts, including ones with unpaid signatures, and it wouldn't do much or anything at all to curb account sales.

[TryNinja]

Your plan is

Great then, so we could disable signatures for password reset accounts only?

For how long? Can't someone (the hacker or the buyer) just wait until they can use the signatures?

This would just hurt legit users. Those who got hacked can sign a message so a DT member can neg trust the account and make it useless for bounties/campaigns. But the legit user can't do anything and will need to wait until their signatures get enabled again.

Also, many users are used on changing their password from time to time as a security measure.

[digaran]

Is this means that I am not supposed to be alarmed about email and password changes? it was written in red before but now it looks like this:



Then I would drop the case and wont tag people just because they changed their email and pass. you account farmers and account sellers could keep doing your business as usual, nothing to be worried about.

However I have discovered seclog just a few days ago, and I will take a look at it from time to time to see if any account in a position of power has changed email/pass recently or not and then I would take a closer look at their post histories and a sudden change of posting habits/tagging habits.
Believe me when I say it, I'm on to you all.

Guys I'm begging you, ask Vod to un-tag me. I only got a hold over seclog recently, so I got carried away.

[actmyname]

Guys I'm begging you, ask Vod to un-tag me. I only got a hold over seclog recently, so I got carried away.

You consistently get carried away. This lack of foresight has ended up with you backpedaling on many occasions: perhaps it's best to take this as a sign of you doing something wrong?

Feel free to lose that hubris any time.

[BTCforJoe]

When he first created this thread, I thought @digaran was trolling. As it progresses, I think he's actually being serious.

I really do think that @digaran is delusional. I used to think that he was a genius troll who knew how to get people rowdy and all salty and shit. But once he got himself red tagged and I was able to see how he thought about the whole DT network, I quickly learned that this is, in fact, the way that his brain actually works.

I would ask you guys not to feed the troll, but he's not a troll. He's just a delusional character that has no idea how to socialize or interact in a world filled with humans.

[digaran]

I would like to suggest that moderators and vigilant forum members to closely watch every single merit source and their profiles for any email and password changes, it has been proven that people are indeed in business of trading high profile accounts and what is better to sell than a merit source account? do not show any mercy to a merit source if they changed their email and password. if they did then we should keep them under a closer watch and monitor their every merit transaction.

Remember that I'm delusional right? recent events would suggest otherwise.

[suchmoon]

what is better to sell than a merit source account?

Ice to Eskimos - I'm told they love the stuff.

I like how your own crooked intentions shine through everything you do on this forum. Is that why you reapplied for a merit source position - to be able to sell the account?

Not to mention that you're suggesting to watch merit sources but there is no public list of them so whom are we supposed to watch?

[digaran]

Not to mention that you're suggesting to watch merit sources but there is no public list of them so whom are we supposed to watch?

Why I said moderators because they have the list of all the merit sources and I said vigilant forum members because we already know a few merit sources.

[digaran]

New suggestion:
We all know that people are not using the trust system only to identify scammers, for example I haven't scammed anybody but still I do have several negative feedbacks. there are so many negative and positive feedbacks without any risked amount.
Here is my suggestion:

Could we make a new system with the name "reputation" and add all the +- feedbacks without any risked amounts to the reputation scores of forum members? let the trust system to be used only for trading with actual risked amounts and exclude all the feedbacks without risked amounts from trust scores and include them on reputation scores. what do you think?

[Litecoindigger]

New suggestion:
We all know that people are not using the trust system only to identify scammers, for example I haven't scammed anybody but still I do have several negative feedbacks. there are so many negative and positive feedbacks without any risked amount.
Here is my suggestion:

Could we make a new system with the name "reputation" and add all the +- feedbacks without any risked amounts to the reputation scores of forum members? let the trust system to be used only for trading with actual risked amounts and exclude all the feedbacks without risked amounts from trust scores and include them on reputation scores. what do you think?

I agree here, personal opinions about other members shouldn't be listed in the trust score. As a very powerful tool, the trust score should only show real bad things it was constructed for or things affecting the forum came up later. Main thing: scamming another person or try to scam. But also account sales, merit trading and bounty abuse by cheating with alt accounts should be sanctioned with a negsative trust score. Only all these hard facts should be listed.

Personal opinions about others are not worth a "trade with extreme caution" because a DT member don't like someone.