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There's a lot here, they're moving together.
All of them ...
yobit campaign
supporters here!

I asked the admins no answer!
I'm not gonna move with a couple of assholes.

Negatives will be given negative...

I oppose this fascist group. If necessary, I give the account and get rid of these damn people.
I will not shut up and keep silence

I only do what the forum administrators say If they say "finish the campaign," I will.

I didn't think it was possible to top the immaturity of this new crop of DT1 members but you have surprised me again. Are you really going to use your DT1 privileges to retaliate against your critics, or is it just an unfortunate translation glitch?

I'm just talking about a relationship based on reciprocity.

if someone calls me "you multi" I say it "you multi"

if someone calls me "moron" I say it "you moron"

If someone gives me a negative, I will give it to him.

self-defense

The system is not to be used as a tool of revenge. If someone chooses to use the system poorly against you that is their choice, you in turn might consider leaving a "neutral" explaining their poor judgement - in your opinion. Then excluding them from your network.
That is appropriate.

What you are doing negates the system and I believe your position within it. So by all means leave your tags, you will be quickly excluded by your peers. Then you can continue to misuse the system as it won't have an effect outside of anyone who keeps you on their trust list. If you can't  reasonably handle the responsibility it will be taken from you and you will lose that privilege.

Please read this - LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802.0)

What are you saying
"chipmixer-foxpop merit" here the most powerful group
doesn't others have a right to say something?
do you only have rights?
If so, they will ban everyone except you!
but I won't shut up until then

Are we extras here? Are we co-players?

That's not self defense that's retaliation.  Self defense would be preventing the negative review before it happened.  You know, by not promoting a scam, for example.  That would be self defense.

like this?

Do you defend before those who swear at you?

Let's expand your concept of self-defense a little bit. If people get scammed by the "10% daily" scheme you're promoting in your signature, is it ok for them to steal from you in "self-defense"?

Say anything you want, your role in DT will reflect that. You are far less likely to be removed for the things you say in posting or creating topics. People here really do hammer home the freedom of speech. I am no member of any group, I'm privileged enough to have earned a spot in the Chipmixer campaign, I receive merits from people who feel I contribute or have value, and I disperse them accordingly.
I could be banned just asa easily as the next person - should I commit a bannable offence, I won't because I try to ensure I comply with forum rules. What can I say some people are willing to think outside of themselves in situations, it's fairly helpful.
When it comes to the Trust/Feedback system, you can still say anything you want or do as you please. The other side of that is if you have a role in DT, there are expectations and guidelines on how this system is to be implemented. So that leaves you with a choice.
-Continue to throw a temper-tantrum lose your position within DT.
-Grow up, develop thicker skin, and use the system as it's designed and bring your complaints to threads or topics for discussion.

I repeat that it is a privilege that bears responsibility to be on DT, one that has had others just walk away from it completely. If you are not up to the task then leave it be. In this system we are all extras meant to give an impression to new users or newly met users to help guide transactions and interactions.

I will leave you with this. I have been in your situation a couple times now I think. Negatives no longer are the be all and end all of the world. So if you get tagged and there is even a remote reason it has some value you should try and engage in a dialogue - not an argument - with that individual to see if it can be resolved. If there is no resolution you can take the next steps, but I repeat you should never leave a Neg, just because they did.

I buried tens of thousands of dollars into this market
btc ethereum I've hurt all of them
Are they all scam?

That's because you are incapable of learning simple lessons.


Morals, bla bla bla?  You're advertising a scam for pennies, and that's how justify it?  

@ the Turkish community.  Do you really think this guy demonstrates good judgement?  By having him included in your trust network, you are essentially trusting the judgement of this person.  A person who will admittedly sell his morality for few bucks.  

are you gambling too?


my legend charles bukowski hates hypocrites like you

This doesn't make any sense. You lost money in the market. How does that justify promoting a scam now?

 :o

You need better roll models, dude. 

Trimming wall-quotes is basic forum etiquette.

If you're trying to say that "120%" makes it not scam - that's also nonsense. The unrealistic gain of "10% daily" is one of the main issues with this scheme.

pundix made airdrop for months, inflation increased
tron for months btt + wink gives inflation increased
inflation increases but is profitable even if the price remains constant,
If the price falls to a certain rate, it is still profitable.
these are issues related to mathematics and economics....

nobody said scam for tron-pundiX etc...

https://www.binance.com/tr/trade/ETH_BTC
see ethereum
From 0.15 btc to 0.017 btc
without giving anything
where earnings?

Read your own signature. It literally says "BUY X10 AND EARN 10% DAILY".

Here is what X10 is: https://behindmlm.com/mlm-reviews/x10-platform-review-automated-trading-bitcoin-ponzi-scheme/


You're promoting a scam, it doesn't matter what any other shitcoins did or didn't do.

I think yobit take advatange of that yobit greedy to money and we all know that.  Cryptotalk admin need official announcement about that.

Yobit, a corporate company against your word!

I think he misunderstood.  You know the risk in gambling, or ieo / ico.  He will change their mind, if properly explained.

In InvestBox there are a number of schemes you can invest in if you fulfill certain conditions, many of them offering unreasonable interest rates.

The caveat is that most of these conditions require you to have a sizable holding of an obscure "shitcoin" which is almost guaranteed to greatly depreciate in value over time...

The other risks are counterparty risk: Yobit or the owner of the scheme might not be able to (or choose not to) pay,
and the obvious risk of your initial investment losing value in fiat or BTC terms at a greater ratio than the interest rates offered...

The fact remains many altcoins have increasing supply and staking / interest rate rewards to make themselves more attractive to investors, so it wouldn't be fair to single out Yobit as a scam or a completely unethical exchange, provided they can reword their campaign signature into a more honest and legitimate text...

Yobit doesn't even try to address the X10 scam, they're talking about their InvestBox.

You don't have to trust me, just read the review: https://behindmlm.com/mlm-reviews/x10-platform-review-automated-trading-bitcoin-ponzi-scheme/

dear my friend
never seen a winner in gambling
There's a risk of losing it, as everywhere.
from 10% may be exact but the conditions exist + satoshi may fall as well as may also come out
pundiX up to 200 satoshi, now 2 satoshi does not even but airdrop did

there is a famous story

the only question in the economics exam:
"What is the risk?"

100-point answer:
"This is the risk!"

This is a forum and as a user, everyone is obliged to follow the rules of forum and the ultimate person to make forum rules is the admin.
The perspective for same thing could be much different among different individuals. Even bitcoin is a ponzi and bubble for some.
We are allowing coin mixers and their advertisement here which are set up with prime purpose of money laundering.
Again though bitcoin and most of crypto are decentralized, this forum is not. The admin is not only responsible for the experience of users but also may be made liable for any criminal offense originating in the forum. So, it's better to let admin decide.

We do what the admin says!
but don't let others become authority!


Edit: I'm going to sleep, and then I have to work.
then bye. :-*

Scams aren't moderated. Admin will only remove the YoBit campaign if they're spamming.

Interesting. I don't see myself as powerful here, and I sure as hell try not to abuse the "power" I have. If you think any of the feedbacks I left are unjust, please post in LoyceV's reputation thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4826180.0).
Mods have power. Admin has power. I'm just a regular guy, and I like to believe I earned a lot of Merit and Trust inclusions only because people value what I'm doing here. And I share data for anyone who's interested, because I believe in openness.

I believe in freedom of speech.

I do not like this type of polemics and community partition.
We should make a decision together.
I still don't have 100% certainty, but I still don't see scam in Investbox.
I agree with DarkStar in this post:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5211902.msg53425001#msg53425001

And here is my opinion that I posted in other thread:


But, if we all agree, that creating token and trying to convince people to buy it, it's a scam, I'll take my signature off. For me it is not a scam.

I know whit yobit have make many investbox coin scam like Liza, what do you think with some one promote gambling site?
look ahead with this words

never seen a winner in gambling
There's a risk of losing it, as everywhere.

Did they break rule by promoting scheme site where make many people loss much money in gambling site?

Bad example. Mixers is for privacy.
But allowing gambling sites is really weird. And LoyceV will not butthurt about advertising of gambling.

For myself, i will not advertise real ponzie. But again, i'm against tagging people who will keep doing that.

@metenjean add everything in one post.

Really? So you should read this statement and justification:

i think its not a scam promotion, according to your opinions all the crypto projects could be scam. all the projects can be accepted as scam because you can lose money.

Yeah man, people are complaining about Yobit’s investbox only because you can lose money with it. That’s exactly what people said. *FacePalm*

I’m not even sure if having a discussion is worth. Y’all will just say whatever you can to keep getting Yobit’s campaign money, regardless of what they tell you to promote. Most participants were actually Yobit haters, calling them out until they have the opportunity to be part of the grand scheme.

? Is BitMixer a spokesman/representative of all mixers?

Who determines what is fraud?

So you wanna express your DT1 power for support Yobit campaign? A DT1 mentality should not be retaliatory, should not attack someone without valid reason. If you are thinking you will tag someone if they tag Yobit participants then it's like a attack and retaliatory feedback. Of course you can show your power and leave feedback as you want, but DT system is quite different from before. Community and other DT1's have power to remove you from DT1 instantly. So you will show your power they will show their power. So it will become a game which should not happen IMO.

Everyone have freedom here to express their opinions, but it doesn't mean you will have to tag them if there opinions are against you. No one have tagged for Yobit yet, so what is the meaning calling all Yobit participants and supporters? You wanna make group? You wanna create different and new trust network? Is it really necessary? I don't think so. Users are discussing each other and leaving their opinions. That's all and nothing going to change I know. Yobit will continue signature campaign either by yahoo62278 or some other else.

Admin will not moderate scam, and you can't expect any decisions from him about Yobit. He would take action against spam like before. So please don't give argumentative statements which would create more problems.

Look at this multi account and feedback. Who is going on is also declaring half of the forum scammers. I declare this guy insecure.

This is one famous english board troll, just ~him and no problem.

My biggest problem with yobit is their blatant disrespect of our community and I'm not sure this would even be being debated if their wasn't money/profit involved..

< Has 542/52 DT1 votes

How can you possibly reconcile those two statements? It's a blatant scam if it works like DarkStar_ described. By design "investors" get stuck with worthless shitcoin.

Are you kidding
Morning 22 satoshi now 28 satoshi
What is happening to you? buys, sells. Post elsewhere

That dude is DT1?  Jaaay-zus.

I'm sort of neutral about Yobit's campaign, though I don't like how they sneakily changed the signature from crypotalk to their investbox thing, which I honestly have no idea how it functions.  It sounds too good to be true, although the coins involved are mostly the freebies that Yobit gives away so it can't cost anyone that much to pay 5% interest daily.  Anyone have more info about whether it's actually a Ponzi?  And if they're offering interest on bitcoin and fiat currencies (RUR and USD) that's concerning.

I wouldn't tag their campaign participants, however.  If other DT members want to, that's fine and I wouldn't oppose them but tagging all of the participants en masse wouldn't help things IMO.

The initial investment is not a freebie, you have to buy it and you'll likely lose it when Yobit dumps the coin. It's a bona fide ponzi but weak-minded yobit-signature-wearing lemmings get confused because there is an intermediate token involved, i.e. it's not a straight BTC ponzi. If anything it makes it worse, meaning that Yobit is deliberately obfuscating the nature and the intent of the scheme by calling it an investment and creating the illusion of market buying/selling while they're the ones controlling everything.

Read DarkStar_'s explanation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5211902.msg53425001#msg53425001

He's not the only one who shouldn't be on DT1. I had a threatening PM from another one who's promoting this garbage:


My reply, which I also posted on his "self moderated" Yobit lov'in thread:


It was quickly deleted of course, which is why I'm posting it here. The fact that there are DT1 members getting involved with & defending this scam Yobit outfit (for payment, of course) is bad enough, but for them to abuse their DT1 status with PM's like this goes to show how bad the situation is on BCT.

I don't care if someone is DT1, DT2 or whatever - a scam is a scam & anyone who promotes scams for payment should learn to live with the consequences.

I'm not at Chipmixer, you're surprised at him? Foxpop merit doesn't too.
There's a word around here or whatever. ;)

It's also worth noting that this isn't actually a token at all - it has no blockchain or smart contract, it doesn't exist outside of YoBit, and it can't be deposited or withdrawn. It was created by YoBit out of nothing and dumped on "investors", and all they can do with it is dump it on each other.

Thank you blurryeyed for the post and highlighting what is a growing pattern of behaviour from some members of our forum.

It has to be said it is absolutely despicable conduct from any DT1 trying any means whatsoever in an attempt to promote a campaign either to attack or bully another user.

Every member who gives negative to people for crap reasons deserves to get negative.
When someone gives you a negative, you give a rose?

What empty people are there among us

That's categorically not true.

Christmas eve DT1 battle..

https://i.imgur.com/EuIpBBq.png

is witch hunting categorically true?

i'm personally against the lynching people.  with a clear data and evidence, negative trust can be given to anyone. there are no clear data yet.  in this situation. lynching people and supporting to a  lynch is not a trustful think.  i understand the worries, i have same worries but there are not clear data yet.

i m tired of lynch culture in this forum.

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Please feel free to go post on the Yobit forum that you so proudly shill in your sig then.

It's a wonderful forum. Really great. Honestly. Everyone will like you there.

Tagged & ignored.

Merry xmas.

Nope, they simply get excluded from users trust list. That's how the trust system is suppose to work.

I normally don't like how other users don't give others chances, and admit everyone makes mistakes. However, this isn't the case here. No one is going around painting the forum red. Instead, they are giving their input into the situation, and trying to prevent users for falling for this. Which unfortunately does not seem like its working.

I'm gonna turn red, nothing's gonna happen to him. I'il be back, it's my style
I wrote this in the first post.

Look that, am i have yobit 10x signature?    its crypto talk forum signature not yobit 10x.

Next time before giving a negative trust, first look the situation than act.

This shows you don’t know what you do. Next time be more careful before tagging people.

:(

That is precisely my sentiment too. The Yobit team must be enjoying the view as the infighting continues in the forum....

Look i dont even yobit 10x signature, and 2 accounts tagged me red trust for yobit 10x.

Also i have a warning page for yobit %10.

This is the culture that i mentioned. :D  They must be sanctioned. For tagging everyone with copy paste sentences.

And neither of them are on DT. :)

My feedback is not copy pasted & is 100% accurate with a reference link.

Sending intimidating PM's to forum members is an abuse of your DT1 level & against forum rules.

This, together with your previous misdemeanours & scam promoting antics - a tag is justified from anyone, weather on DT or not as a warning for others that you can't be trusted..

As i remember, two accounts = one person.

wwzsocki states to IconFirm about his alt blurryeyed and IconFirm doesn't deny that fact.

Here is link - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5166722.msg52213978#msg52213978

After having a brief look at some of the posts here and in other Yobit related threads some users promoting Yobit have really done no favours to themselves with their condescending attitude but I tend to agree with this view about not tagging participants for now unless something drastic was to occur to alter that mindset.

If possible I would like to see a clear and concise list of the users with alt-accounts (or suspected alt-accounts) and those participating in merit abuse and/or reaching DT level by adding alt-accounts to their Trust list in order gain a fake trustworthy status so if the time comes to tag them then those that want to do it can do it.

For those interested this is an excellent thread regarding Yobit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134358.0

Is this your plan? :-[

How much have you personally invested into InvestBox and the non-scammy X10 token? With 10% daily profit, think of how much money you'll make! I bet that everyone here defending the X10 token has not purchased any themselves nor would they ever consider it, knowing the dump scheme that will happen. Random people clicking your signature won't know about that and might think it's actually legitimate.

edit: Or, would you, in good faith, recommend that someone invest into X10 token for 10% daily interest?

This point is pretty much moot now because they changed their signature, but I'd still like to hear a response.

(and before someone resorts to personal attacks, yes I've used ChipMixer and I've bet over 15 BTC at sportsbet.io)

No one in his right mind should invest in X10, it's obviously a pyramid scheme.

Yet there are people knowingly chasing these kinds of things, looking to get in early and get out before the scam falls apart...

Like the price of X10 briefly went from 22 sat to 30 sats yesterday, someone could have bought in, made 10% overnight, and cashed out at around 20% higher for overall profits of 30% in 1 day...

I wouldn't recommend anyone to trade this way or advertise ponzis, but the fact remains there are people who are convinced they can beat the schemers / gambling sites / sports bookies at their own game, and they deliberately pursue rigged products...

last time i will tell you step by step.

1. again, I did NOT WORE yobit 10X sig. it was cryptotalk.org sig. 
2. cryptotalk.org  is NOT a scam.
3. you cant give a person a negative trust for wearing cryptotalk.org signature.

you are lyching hundreds of people for 100$. it's against forum rules.

Knowing the principle of Investbox, I think it is a dangerous investment or even a gamble. It looks like a bet to me who will be the first to sell earned coins. It is obvious that with such a high%, the number of coins for sale would grow very quickly, so the price would have to fall proportionally quickly.
I agree that it would be unfair for random people to click on the signature without knowing the risk.
Sometimes I like gambling, but only if I have the resources to do so. I don't have such funds during Christmas, but I admit that I was thinking about trying this game. Soon I will try .. Your post even provoke me a bit ;)

I can confirm that. Yobit Investbox is a scam!
I personally invested $100 before a year and a half in Yobit Investbox buying one of his shitcoin. Also with 10% interest. After the first 24h and first payments, I was never positive counting investment + profit. So, my $100 investment +10% reward worth $95 after the first 24h. After a few days, I decided to withdraw and sell daily interest only, and keep my basic investment active. Two weeks later, my initial investment worth $0,001, profit which I am withdrawing from Investbox worth around $15.
later I followed some of their tokens, the same schemes was always repeated.
For me, it is a SCAM!

On gambling, I have the chance to win something, small but still have a chance. But on Yobit IB, I can only lose.

I think the price chart for every coin listed in InvestBox with a 10% daily interest looks like a classic pump & dump. At the beginning there is a panic buy to invest the most, to get the greatest possible profit, and then there is the panic sale of earned coins. The one who sells at the moment of the biggest bubble wins the game. It looks like you have invested too late or sold too late. It's just my guess, so don't take it personally.

The idea that any organisation can use these types of trash tactics in an attempt to lure in investors speaks volumes about the sort of outfit Yobit actually is.

Fuck off
All the projects went down to magma. You're up here scam chat. Go ask Vitalik, why he sold 100k ethereum for $ 1400.

there is no need for such words. We can discuss civilized.


I didn't see anywhere that VItalik promises 10% daily profit if you buy and hold ETH. have you seen anything like that?

you are after the small details. I am getting angry. on the other side, the guy "busted" and screwed everyone. you can't talk to him, "market conditions bla bla".
you're being hypocritical. everything in life rises and descends. I resisted the employees trying to get over $ 100 neo here. Look at the projects in binance, they're all at the bottom ... call them "scam" if you say I'll give you the right. because they are all scam


"From March 2018 to December 2018, NPXS owners will be included in each month's airdrop plan to 7.316% of tokens. In 2019, 2.11637% of the locked tokens will be airdroped on a monthly basis, and by 2020 this rate will be 0.88187%." https://kriptokoin.com/pundixte-airdrop-donemi/

There is only a difference in sales-marketing technique between 7% per month and 10% per day. but you can't call it scam Pundix.


and yes the pos will give the ethereum %. and again yes, the ethereum fell more than 90% without giving anything.

Thank you examplens for trying to keep this thread civil and for not responding with like-for-like when faced with profanities.

False equivalence and whataboutism are your two favorite fallacies.

No, there is nothing in common between POS/airdrop shitcoins and yobit's X10 scam. X10 is not POS, it's not an airdrop, it's not even a coin or a token. It's just some numbers on the website that Yobit deceptively presents as an "investment" but really they just take your money to prop up the pump until they can dump into it. It's a variation of a ponzi scheme (earlier investors get paid by funds collected from newer investors), more egregious and somewhat more convoluted than the regular ones, but a scam nonetheless.

Having said that, I think someone did call Pundi X a scam (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3043074.0) so I don't know why you said "can't call it scam".

I know you'll misunderstand, so I added the word "pundix" later. as you know my english is bad and I write and read with translate
 
It's nice of you to illustrate the issue of 3-5 posts!  :)I can show you dozens of titles about pundix. positive

pundix doesn't appear on marketcap when it first comes out, but it's over 200 sat. hundreds of millions of dollars ...https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/pundi-x/

Have a lot of premined coins, open the title to them all. XRP, NEM... IF THE PREMINED COIN IS PROHIBITED AND SCAM THE COAMS LIKE XRP AND NEM IN SCAM!

here we have joined each other for a small listed project. for what? not for rules or principles! You wanted to excel. No, you're not superior to me, you're not superior to anyone.

Vitalik sells 100k ethereum for $ 1400 in 2017, earning $ 140 million...but Vitalik is a valid man.
YOBİT? you are hypocritical because when it comes to Yobit "SCAM"


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203127.msg53132348#msg53132348  >>>Yobit- PUMP / DUMP Tracking / Analysis
i opened this title
If it is a crime to make transactions in yobit, yes I committed that crime.

Once again, you're only bringing up unrelated examples as if they are similar to Yobit's X10. They're not. And if you find something that is similar to Yobit's X10, most likely it would be a scam too. There are many shitcoin scams out there. It doesn't make Yobit's scam legitimate.

Deceptive "100% safe" "10% daily" marketing is fraud because in fact it is a zero-sum game where Yobit wins and "investors" lose. There isn't much to discuss until you man up and address this issue directly instead of resorting to logical fallacies.

Well he has been gently egged-on by at least two users from that community either in this thread or one of many others. Instead of trying to reign the OP in a little bit they backed his stance without openly stating it but the tone of their posts show it.

How on earth could any community or local language board consider either putting forward or backing a user with the lack of common courtesy as the OP is beyond me because he is one of the most unsuitable candidates either for Merit Source rank or DT1 or DT2 or anything else that might hold any sort of responsibility. It seems the majority of the Turkish community have not exactly gone out all guns blazing to make a case for him to represent them in any way shape or form, it seems more a case of a handful of users from that community trying to force the selection of the OP for either Merit Source or DT1 as their trust circles show.

And as you put it in such an apt manner, he is a person that has no value for morality for the sake of a few bucks.

At the moment I have added at least 3 of those users who have not helped the situation (and are part in part protagonists) to my distrust list and also added them on to my IGNORE button too because I prefer not to read their drivel.

It's very odd, I agree.  Wolwoo is immature, angry, and obnoxious.  

Maybe in some way he represents the general feeling in the Turkish community about how the trust system has affected them.  It's unfortunate, because now their anger is preventing them from seeing the other side of the coin.  

Not long ago the same sort of thing happened with the Russian local, but as time went on cooler heads prevailed.  Now the more reasonable members of the Russian local have come to terms with the fact that this is a global forum.  Trust system xenophobia is probably more harmful to the local boards than it is to the rest of the forum.  Falsely trusted scammers will have an easier time preying on their own countrymen than they will the rest of the community, but maybe it'll take that happening before they see the error in their ways.

I'm not saying that wolwoo is a scammer, but he's demonstrated an unwillingness to put his ethics above his income.  That just screams poor judgement.  Not to mention all the arrogant trolling.  How any rational person could back his behavior is a mystery to me.



Looks like more of the same narcissistic whining you've been spewing for weeks now.  So what?

God Damn it, it's not narcissism.
I just can't say what I want to say because I don't have English. In order to answer you we have opened the title of English translation.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5214962.0


I wouldn't agree with you if I were the Russians. it is unacceptable for such a large community to fall under the domination of a small minority.

it also makes no sense for the Russians to be indifferent to the insults to their exchanges.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5215696.0

russian title opened
Let's see what the Russians have to say.

As mentioned, I have the OP and his buddies on IGNORE so thankfully I can skip past his spewing and their staunch defending of him.

The OP posted in my rank up thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5214170) calling me "reputation assassin" and flooded the post by copying/pasting some of my feedback. That post is still there.

He then posted again in the same thread, this time copying/pasting a post of his from his inbox that was deleted in another thread (self-moderated by another user) and for no valid reason, then he decided to simply added the words "answer me you bastard" directed at me. I cannot recall how many exclamation marks he added in an attempt to express his sentiments but thankfully that post was deleted by moderators shortly after it was posted. I have no idea when he posted it when it was an unrelated thread and the original post was deleted in the self-moderated thread by its creator.

In short, I have always given the benefit of any doubt to those users that do not use English as a first language but I cannot recall encountering a user with his absurd and very warped personality along with lack of communication skills and an oversized ego because of unerlying narcissistic tendencies.

Though I say that, I too agree with you there is no reason to believe the OP is a scammer as such but looking at the forum with so many users promoting Yobit signatures does not mean it is not a scam and he has decided to (as you rightly stated) put his ethics above his income.

Hee hee
Feedback is just legitimate to you
Merit is only yours
DT1 is yours
We scammers, parasites attracting hits to the site, will kneel in front of you and beg!!! 😑
I knew the Russians were nationalistic, but they wiped my topic. There is no one on the whole site who can oppose you, unfortunately!

Jollygood I assure you the man who has to resort to pseudo psycho-analysis and ad hominems ridiculously presented as medical diagnoses against anyone who disagrees with him is very likely to have some serious issues of his own that he needs to figure out before prescribing anything...

My friends tell me you added over 1000+ people to your distrust list, isn't that insane ?.. You must be really hating this forum and have a tremendous amount of leisure time on your hands to go through thousands of profiles to distrust.

I believe the crypto space consists of very intelligent people and they don't need self-appointed avengers like you to give them your prepubescent spin on anything. In fact most people I know suspect that you are yet another useful troll used by entrenched veteran members to assist them in their DT drama games...

You can add the entire world to your distrust list if you like, it won't influence the fact that most rational people will continue to find your opinions extremely limited and one dimensional...

It's tragi-comical how some people's entire sense of self and dignity seem to rest on anonymous internet users agreeing with them.

My advice to you, since you seem to need it desperately, find some beneficial hobbies, get a life, and accept the fact that there are thousands of educated, intelligent and well-balanced people that consider Yobit a legit exchange for most of its functionalities, and I hope this reality doesn't cause a heart attack in your snowflake world, but it's just the way it is.

what was the point of your post other than denigration?

I did not read the post you replied to because I have that user on IGNORE along with a handful of his comrades that tried to push through their DT1 and Merit Source agenda but got a massive rejection from the community.

When I read your post I decided to unIGNORE him just to find out what prompted a response from you and after reading only a few sentences I re-added him back to my IGNORE list because I realised the low quality of the post was nothing more than a disgruntled individual who is simply not articulate enough to compose and express himself after his unflinching (and highly questionable) support for the OP was not enough to get their plans through after several users raised concerns.

Not that I recall reading any posts of significance from him anyway but just for argument sake to give the benefit of the doubt, I would cite at the time of making the post he was probably incapable of articulating anything of substance, instead expressing frustration after the collected failure of himself and his comrades in their plans to elevate and promote the OP to DT1 and Merit Source fell through - which incidentally re-enforced the reasons why I had to add him to my IGNORE list in the first place.

Your lack of self-awareness is indeed quite comical. You're posting these massive walls of ignorant tripe just because someone disagreed with you or - gasp - distrusted your on some forum on the internet.

Please don't involve me in your little DT games, it's extremely boring. If you have a problem / extreme butthurt with Turkish users gaining representation,

take it up with theymos instead of employing NPC trolls to do your dirty work like your newly anointed zealous thrall JollyGood above... Good Luck

It could be more like an advice !

I agree with Vispilio about many educated and intelligent people's still thinking, Yobit as at least levels a decent exchange. ( It could be because they personally never had a problem operating on it ).  It doesn't seem right to tag participants of the campaign right away and I have already said the same to JollyGood. No one criticized him or something as no doubt he is doing all this as good for the community overall and to curbe the promotion of shitcoins around. But just judging around based on signatures and using trust ratings is not a good option to let people know about it.

Great points, thanks. Also to answer Jared's question, this JollyGood NPC is being employed as a useful idiot (not meant as an insult, it's a term used in subversion tactics ;)) to add thousands of people to his distrust list, and giving frivolous red ratings based on his childish personal opinions despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, and because it suits the agendas of a few deeply entrenched members in the DT system, this "politically correct" liberal fascistic mentality is being actively supported.

if 2-3 more NPC's like him are used to downvote and neg trust all the dissenting voices in the forum, then the Trust System completely falls apart, gets owned by a few people who are all the time backscratching / highfiving each other in their limited echochamber safe space...

If theymos and staff want a decentralized trust / voting / representation system in the forum, he should put a check on the rise of "useful trolls" like JollyGood and TimePleb, maybe bring a cap to how many people they can have on their distrust list at any given time, blacklist people from the DT system who have a recurring habit of making factual errors in their judgement, etc...

The post you refer to is here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5214462.msg53507078#msg53507078

The reply I made is posted here. I replied stating why you were wrong about the accusation because I did not tag any user because they displayed a particular signature. I asked for your views on that same post here but you did not reply:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5214462.msg53513158#msg53513158

You asked marlboroza and myself to "reconsider" but I corrected you because you were wrong by stating I tagged a user for their signature alone. After I corrected your error, you did not post back to me.

Another thing you missed, in the link above I also stated that I disagree with tagging users on the basis of them showing a particular banner such as in the case of another user who did it to those showing Yobit banners but for some reason you did not post back accepting that fact.

I don't have a problem with Turkish users, nice try making it about nationality again. A great example of flawed judgment exhibited by a yet another DT1 member.

I have a problem with you playing that card, as well as with idiots in general getting into DT1 so I will point that out whether you like it or not.

I was aware of your post, the thread was locked just the next day hence lost the track there. I appreciate your explaintaion there about not tagging wolwoo for the sole reason of promoting YoBit but more likely I even disagree with the rest of your comment as it not being something high risk to trade with that user hence it could have even been stated with a neutral tag too or just by using the exact feature made to show your disagreement with somesons judgement : Trust List exclusion.

I am even not willing to slide with YoBit promotors, as I don't feel promotion it is ethical in itself but still there are some vaild and acceptable explanations behind doing so.

I have had their sig years back.   There is plenty of post history of my being very real and factually objective on my stance in all of it when it came to past scam accusations and the like.

Once I realized how crooked yobit truly was by seeing actual data first hand;  I never looked back as there is no way to continue anything linked to them in good conscience.

Here is the part that confuses me. So if you knew what I wrote why did you repeat the same lie above in this thread and say I tagged a user because of the signature they displayed and promoted when you knew it was a false accusation?



Thank you for appreciating my explanation about not tagging the user solely because he displayed a particular banner but for some inexplicable reason you repeated the false accusation in this thread even though have admitted you were aware that what you were posting was in fact a lie.

Here is my reply to your original post: hacker1001101001 I am sorry to say I am somewhat disappointed with the content of the post you made because you incorrectly stated that I and gave red trust to the OP for the sole reason because he ran a particular signature campaign: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5214462.msg53513158#msg53513158

Going by what I wrote in that post I will repeat most it here. I am very disappointed with the content of your post in this thread because you repeated an earlier false accusation you made in a different thread which I already pointed out to you to be factually incorrect yet you continue to perpetuate the same lie even though you stated you knew it was a lie.

Could you please elaborate as to why you repeated a false accusation in this thread with full knowledge that what you were posting was a lie?



Now this is a very strange and unexpected statement for you to make but I welcome it.

The two most important comments I can make in response about this are that firstly if my tagging the user on the basis that I provided in the actual tag was not to your liking then you could or should have mentioned it in the post you made in the now locked thread but you made no mention of it. Kindly explain why you did not mention it beforehand but are mentioning it now because this seems like : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5214462.msg53513158#msg53513158

The second comment from me is that you are entitled to your opinion, everybody is entitled to their opinion. If you think I should have left neutral trust or excluded the user from my trust list then that is your opinion. I have my own opinion, I am entitled to it and I stand by it. I (for one) would absolutely would not trust that and would advise all others to not trust him user therefore I left feedback based on my opinion of him not because of the signature campaign he participates in.

Furthermore, the statement you made above about expressing your view as to what I should or should not have done was not expressed in the original post in the now locked thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5214462.msg53513158#msg53513158) so this a new opinion you are expressing here to justify why you posted the false accusation in the original post in the first place and then repeated here but the justification you provided just does not correlate.

Could you kindly explain why you would not mention this in the original post in the locked thread but are citing it now as a reason/justification for the contents of that original post?



I am sorry but I have no idea what that means apart from when you stated the Yobit promotion being unethical. I read it a few times but could not understand the rest. If you can rephrase it and post again with better grammar I might be able to add a comment or the very least understand it. Thank you.

I'm no fan of nanny states and I believe in people having as much freedom as possible, but newbies (especially) can and definitely do get scammed when they're not warned about things.  And I've no doubt that many intelligent folks don't have a problem with Yobit, and they've always worked just fine for me but some of the things they've done are extremely sketchy and I do think it's appropriate that some members here want to warn others of possibly impending danger.

For one thing, they've had numerous scam accusations leveled against them over the years and their customer service department seems to be non-existent.  That isn't the way a crypto exchange ought to operate.  It's not how any company that deals with customers' money should operate. 

Yobit is also far from transparent in terms of who they are and where they're incorporated (if they are at all).  That makes it possible to easily pull off an exit scam if they chose to do so, and it's certainly a warning sign.  And the most recent thing that's sketchy is that investbox function, which has all the markings of a Ponzi scheme.  I'm not even convinced it's all it's cracked up to be, since most of those coins are worthless to begin with, aren't liquid, and can't be withdrawn from Yobit.

TL;DR I have no problem with JollyGood crusading against Yobit and its signature campaigners.  Don't take it personally if you're in the campaign, as it doesn't mean you're a shitposter.  There are actually some really good members in the Yobit campaign at the moment since Yahoo62278 is managing it. 

Most users here would be grateful that Yobit is being highlighted again and this time thanks to their investbox scam they might have overstepped the mark which finally might bring in law enforcement agents resulting the collapse and shutting down of its business. Not everybody would share that view but a brief look at posting history from certain supporters displaying Yobit banners you would find several who know what they are doing is wrong but still do it for the sake of pocketing pennies in cash.




Thank you for your support The Pharmacist. I have only just started looking in to Yobit to see how they function but it the sort of posts made by JaredKaragen, suchmoon and o_e_l_e_o as well as others that make this a matter worth pursuing and trying to warn off as many users or potential victims as possible. Here is a thread that is just one example of how Yobit is being discussed by more and more users: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5217581

Just for the record, I have no problem with users that display a Yobit banner or participate in their campaign. Only the those displaying the Yobit banners know if they are doing it because they know it is a scam or if they are doing it because they believe it is not a scam.

I have only ever left negative trust for the Yobit user account because Yobit is a scam and just for the OP because he is a highly aggressive, highly volatile individual who I would never trust - he happens to have a Yobit banner and he was using profanities when he realised he was no longer DT and when he realised he failed in his attempt at becoming Merit Source and during the course of excessively defending Yobit by attacking others that raised either questions or concerns, therefore I tagged him. It was other users that left either negative or neutral feedback for as many users displaying Yobit banners as they could find.

I was not lying, I understood your tag was not based on promoting YoBit but overall judgement of the user. That was mostly because he started to create an army of YoBit promotors to fight against red tagging them as per I see. But your trust rating still contains promoting YoBit as one of the reason of him being untrustworthy which is totally false hence was my above comment.





Again, I was not lying, your feedback still stands hence my argument, you thought adding that statement about promoting things for pennies doesn't makes difference, I think it makes.




Because that is realted, and I wanted to avoid making it as an trust system usage issue there. You are an DT and there should be some solid danger of scamming or loosing funds mostly indicated by DT tags. Which doesn't seems the case here.



I mean, that there are some vaild explainations behind some participants promoting YoBit through there signature hence one can't judge users judgement from it overall.

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I am out, I was not upto accusing JollyGood of anything, above was just an advice from me regarding use of trust system, but it's everyone's own opinion.

Well you could have concluded the following but did not:


or


or


or


.. but no.... you decided to deliberately make false allegations even after I posted in the same thread with this quote: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5214462.msg53513158#msg53513158



Any and all allegation/confusion/question/issue about tagging users based on signatures alone was covered in that post so why you behaved in a highly duplicitous manner then play ignorant is known only to you.

Your justification or rationale for perpetuating the lie is bordering on the ridiculous as far as excuses are concerned especially after it was pointed out that you were wrong. Your excuses do not wash with me and all I see is you clutching at straws.

Had you at least acknowledged your error and not perpetuated the lie any further it would have shown you in a better light but what you selectively quoted and why you selectively quoted it and why you then deliberately built your fantasy around it are opposite polars of the actual tag:

If hacker1001101001 says lemon is yellow, please double check it it might be green.
I have no clue what else this can be:


Defamation attempt?

Creating unnecessary drama again? What was the reason?

Wait, you noticed color but you didn't read anything and you made assumption and felt free to post it? Now where have I recently already heard this?  :)

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For outside readers, hacker is "reformed" ICO bumping lying account who was payed to post fake reviews (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213922.0), owners of such accounts almost never use only one account for their bumping fraudulent business, especially when they claim to be invited by bumping service to this forum (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213922.msg53514940#msg53514940). Story must be much deeper than just randomly attacking some users here, for example, JollyGood tagged too many ICO bumping accounts. It is very simple math AKA 1+1.

Under any circumstances, do not take any advice or suggestions coming from this account seriously, especially not in this thread.

Account wolwoo on the other hand shilled and continued to shill for scam coin after it was pointed several times it is scam, which is only partially documented in reference link, not to mention his daily rants since it was pointed to him that scammer ended up in Default Trust because of him (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.msg53261985#msg53261985), and not to mention some other rants, calling people criminals, declaring war to everyone etc etc.

Account Vispilio's behavior is very well documented inside this topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219538.0), this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219538.msg53673747#msg53673747) and in some other threads.

These users are highly misleading readers who have no clue what is going on around here.

TBH, I start to get the feeling that wolwoo is connected to yobit;  as in physically.

I would need to spend a LOT of time going back through the conversations, and deeper into his surrounding the sig campaign wonkyness.....  but i'm starting to get that gut feeling now.

Just a gut feeling;  I dont need the whole forum going up in arms about a feeling;  this isn't US politics.



Vispilio;  one more wrong set of words and he also will be one of the countable on one hand people that are on my ban/ignore list.....   Lots of red flags stacking up.   No gigantic ones like Wolwoo... but people are bad at keeping secrets hidden.