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Even with pandemic gamblers are itching to bet violating the social gathering and other protocols like proper wearing of facemask to observe minimum health protection. This is why police officers here in our place are actively monitoring not only for cock fighting, cards game and this one spider betting.

Spider betting is the new trend of gambling here in our place. This is inspired by the kids who were active on this as sort of playing letting spiders to fight. This is really not a fun to see for others but here in our place when big events and higher bets happen, the viewers will tend to shout and cheers for the spider they bet. The venue will seem to be lively that this event could eventually reach to the authorities.

The only problem with this kind of gambling is that kids do involve in betting at young age. Since betting is very affordable to them that they can afford after looking for some spiders and sold it to a gambler in a cheaper price then the proceeds of the sale will then be use to gamble by these kids age 9-16 Y.O. The good thing is that whenever they caught to prison since the kids are protected by law under the age of 17 and below the will be set free after their parents made some arrangement to the police officers.

Because of these event, the authority now conduct a constant monitoring and raids here in our place. The good thing is that betting still continue and police officers can't do anything about it except constant monitoring and doing raids. After a certain raids spider betting will then resume and happiness together in sider fight and betting will remain. So sad, LOL.

What can you say about this? Are we really that hard headed or just love spider betting?

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I think this is the matter of social gathering rather than the spider betting itself.

Unless gambling is banned in your place, I don't think spider betting is that bad. As a kid, we've been doing that for years and we don't have a problem with that to the authorities. The barangay captain of our place even joins with our fun by cheering with us. It is just we are hard-headed and loves letting these spiders fight, that is just it.

What area /country is this? You forgot to mention OP. Also, if you have the article link on what you are talking about here, would be great.

Okay. I got the news article here.

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1174536/4-arrested-as-spider-fights-gain-following-as-a-form-of-gambling

But it was last year, and no pandemic yet at that time. Wonder if they have spider betting during this pandemic? Parents should be responsible with their kids though.

Gambling and betting for fun both are similar to the government but when kids does this inside their house or somewhere close to it then no one is going to identify it.And if this kind of gathering and betting goes against the laws then the kids also should face the legal actions for juvenile crimes.

Such spider fights have been around for a long time and in the area where I live are used as children's toys like big black ants fighting in small boxes that children play with.
And it happens in the interior and for their entertainment without betting, and this game is not to the death, only to retreat or dodge and lose and it's all for their entertainment.

The spiders are just too small creatures and i do not understand how they make them fight. I don't find anything entertaining in this fight either.
Don't they have something better to do than watch the spiders fight and bet on them  ???

As I thought this was in the Philippines, too many hardheaded people especially when it comes to gambling they are always feeling the urge even when it is restricted  fully by the government. I don't think those children should be there but I think they are related to the people whom been on that site when they got raided.

This is the first time I reading about Spider betting, I am now interested to see how it actually happens? I know people can bet on anything but getting kids involved in gambling is bad. These culprits should be punished and they should serve some term behind the bars. I am not sure what the law in your country states but the situation in your region is pretty bad.

It is not an excuse to do something against the law because of your passion. These kids might not be aware of that law as they are still kids and doesn't search what's in the rules or law about gambling at a young age but about ignorance of the law, there's a saying about it.

If this is the first time, they can be warned and be fined with an amount that their parents afford to pay or whichever amount that's based and indicated by the law.

Do you have experience betting in a spider fight? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134445.0).

Not just spiders but ants as well: Would you bet on an insect fight? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5133119.0)

It's rampant in the Philippines, specially in the provinces because this is their past time. I even read that this sports is also well known inside prisons there and it involved huge amount of money. I guess you can't really stop gamblers, in whichever shape and form they will simply find a way to gamble even in the pandemic.

If the kids were not aware of this , the parents and guardians should be held responsible. If you give them only warning, this trend will continue and everyone will exclude themselves by saying that they do not know the rules of the country/area. Their parents should be heavenly fined so no one care dare do this again.

Lol betting on spiders. I don't understand why people bet on this because isn't it just completely random who wins so it's 50/50? What's the thrill in that? Why don't they just flip a coin or throw coins against a wall? That's what we used to do at school. Apparently it's called pitching pennies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitching_pennies


At least there's a bit of skill involved which adds to the fun.

It is also a serious issues because this is the age of them to study, play different games and enjoy without thinking about gambling or anything related to money to bet on since they are underage and surely either parents were not taking care of their child, or this guys are really smart to escape from them and gamble it. They will now have to face the laws and this may affect their future career as well.

not really, just like any other animal betting(i.e. cockfight, horse race, etc..) orb-weaver spider have different types of breeds which have their own strength and weaknesses. I understand if you don't get the thrill but I remember having fun doing it, especially when catching it because some of them are really hard to find. I know it's cruel but was part of my childhood.

I used to play this as a kid and yes we gamble on it too, the only difference is we are the ones catching the spiders and only the owners of the spider can bet in the game. I remember having a tournament too and we use different spider per round and whoever wins the tournament get the total amount on the pot.

If one kid says that he will run faster to other house than you and will pay you 10$ if you win, or you will pay him 5$ if he wins, does it count as gambling or betting and against the law?

I’m sure these kids done this just as a competition and dont have any intend to earn on betting.

When I was a kid we had the same game, instead boxes we build a playground from the wet sand, like towers and all that, and then we catch as many spiders as we can, and we put all of them in that sand castle. When I was a kid we didn't have computers and all that stuff, we played outside, and when you get out on the street there's a bunch of kids, younger and older. We didn't place any bets on this, we did it for fun and we didn't know for better I guess, I can call that as trying out new interesting stuff, what kids knows, right?
Now I wouldn't do something like that, I like to believe I am older and wiser! There're noble sports to bet on, why to choose to bet on animal fights, I think of that as something very cruel! And in this story I understand kids, they are experimenting, every kid passes trough that stage, but older people should have more knowledge, they should know better!

Even if we believe that it was not betting and just a game, even then you can't play a game where you make a living creature fights and play games on who dies first. In some countries , it is even bigger crime. Same case is with the cock fighting which involve blood :(

Betting on either of the spider and see them fight the I think the thrill is when you see your chosen spider beating the other spider more like a cock fighting or maybe a boxing game for them about the pitching pennies it's really good I tried that before.

On the one hand, I think I heard gambling might be more addictive to teens than to adults, and if that's true, then teens should not be given the opportunity to engage in such activities. Moreover, you're saying the only problem is young people gambling, but I think another problem with animal fights is that it is cruel behavior with animals and should not be encouraged. But returning to kids gambling, I remember from my school education that Jewish kids play with dreidel on Hanukkah, essentially gambling with their sweets and aiming to win more from others. If it's in the traditions and probably still practiced nowadays, maybe child gambling is not necessarily a bad thing. Maybe the specifics matter (when, on what, with what etc.).

There is a spider betting happening near at my place even if there is a pandemic. I have been watching them betting on whicg spider they think that will win the fight. I even caught a kid bet with another kid before the spider at put on a thread to fight and they even bring flashlights to go in the mountain to find spiders so they will have spiders to fight and bet.

Anything is bad if gambling is illegal at the current situation, though this is just a spider betting but I'm pretty sure there are big bets involve in this game. Once a kids game but is now popular from gamblers already, police would not capture these people in the picture if there's no big money involve.

When police gets involved that is not only in cases when gambling is illegal. There are cases when gambling is misused for some other forbidden activities like scams and frauds or even money laundering. I guess in this case big money is involved and there is probably something illegal in the way how they got to it

Small or big money involve once there are/is some law about gambling that they violate they should be able to arrest or capture.
But this is difficult now, they are still minor and for sure in some country, this is different issue once minor are involved in gambling.
In terms of the current pandemic and there are some events like this, this is totally not allow in some country (just like ours).
It's difficult to control the people in gambling, even we say the money involve here are small only.

Teens gambling is a more often happening thing than many imagine. Just think of teens and playing cards - there are so many ways they could gamble there. As long as they know what that means, they may find it fun.

It's both a good and a bad thing to be honest, and it varies by situation. They may learn that sometimes life isn't fair, but in the meantime they may become addicts as well and form some shape of hatred against other players of their age. Spider (or insect) betting is something I've never heard of though, never thought this thing would even exist.

Kind of hilarious to think that this is still a thing up into these days. I mean, I just thought that this sort of game was already long gone  :D.
I have to agree. Minor or not, violation is still a violation, and somebody must be held accountable for such action (might be their guardian, which on some cases, would've to pay for a certain fine).

And yeah, this is kind of burdensome for the authorities to stop completely over, I'd say, constant monitoring wouldn't be enough as it can also happen elsewhere, in some places less noticeable.

Not that we're hard-headed though, it is just that events like this isn't a typical thing someone could put an end to  :-\.

Let us not go further to that, this is just a simple gambling but it's just done at the right timing. Mass gathering is discourage in the situation that's why gambling is illegal since it will create a mass gathering. Also, this is not an online gambling and the amount involve is not relatively high compared to bettors in cock fighting and sports betting, so forget about the money laundering.

Parents should be liable  to this kind of minors actions.

If the government successfully chased them up their parents should also be summoned and get the same cases that will
be filed against them. From this pandemic situations excuses should not be tolerated.

It only happens in some tropical countries where most of that kinds of spiders can be easily caught and their size is not large, unlike the tarantulas.
I don't know it the westerners have this kind of hobbies because they don't have a place to catch these spiders except in the south American continents. Different countries have different traditions and cultures but this one seems unique and only in the Philippines.

Of course, but the government can't put the parents in the jail and no law to that. That has been the problem in the Philippines as the "Juvenile Justice Law of 2006 " which is suppose to protect the minors has been abused as minors are not anymore afraid to make a crime since they will not go to jail.

I was a witness to the spider fights since I was a little kid. During my time, they don't bet with money, they bet with spiders. The losing spider if lucky enough not to be eaten by the spider will now be the property of the victor. If the spider became food then either the winner will win more spiders from the losing camp. It is just sad that there money has also been a part of this. This is like the kid's cockfights and even the adults are now into this as well. I don't think gambling by teens and kids is not unique in the Philippines. There must be many cultures around the world that has their own way of gambling done by children and teens.

I as an animal lover is very sad to know that animals are use for gambling, which makes me sad from spider betting,
The spiders hurt each other. There is even a chance that one of the spiders can die, for me one life is very valuable.
Even though it's only a spider, they have the right to live. I always advise not to play gambling by hurting animals,
same thing with cockfighting.

I saw a photo of the police also not wearing masks.
I think they are playing traditional spider gambling, if they know each other, that means: one village/city does not matter if they play.
The problem with people playing gambling comes from outside areas whose health status is not yet known, that's the problem.

Even so health protocols also need to be obeyed such as wearing a mask, the OP seems that if I look at the money in the photo, is that the Philippines area is it true.

Of concern are minors who bet on gambling, if adults in the Philippines gamble, it is not strange anymore, I think only one of the minors is involved.

This is the first time I'm hearing about spider betting. How the spiders will be given practice, and this is something difficult than giving practice to cocks and buffaloes. In my locality we've got cock fight, sparrow race, buffalo race and so on. Here in our country, these races will be conducted with legal support and police protection. If it is a gamble or betting between players then it is against the law.

I think there will be thrill in it if the spider you wanted to be on a fight is in good condition before the fight. Spider battling isn't new to my country in fact even in my younger age I already been on that scenario but not really into betting more like to test who really has the best spider on the herd of children who loves to battle them.

That isn't already a news since that one was still from October the last year you can check the other reply just below on the OP in the first page.

I can remember growing up and the people around me love playing with spiders. Yes, it's a form of gambling and it's just sad that this kind of game is very popular among kids yet their parents still let them play with other kids even though it involves money. But since it already became a part of our childhood, parents just let them play with it. Though I don't know if kids still play this amidst the pandemic because it's quite risky. Parents are the ones responsible for their kids and shouldn't let them play outside because of the virus.

I'm pretty sure those kids aren't actually betting. Way back when we were just like at that age, we also love playing with our bought spiders. Battle it to friend's spider also. We don't need any money to gamble. Just the spider sometimes, if you won, you take my spider, If I won, I'll take yours. Sometimes we just make them fight just to know who is stronger, no betting at all.

Tho, these people should not include those kids on their bets, just let them watch. Gambling at the very young age is not well, but I believe they can manage already, but not that good.

The news was before the Covid Lockdown though. But I think events like this happen every time in rural places.

Kids are the only ones who has the enthusiasm to find spiders in the cornfield and up to the jungle that is why they are involve in this kind of betting. They are very zealous in finding spiders that they head to the mountain sides from 5PM to 10PM just to look for spiders and then sell these spiders to the old men who are also into spiders betting.

If they are still doing this while there is ordinance that gathering of 3 or more people aren't allowed then they are violating the ordinance. Without the pandemic, rules like this are normally ignored though.

Spiders are very attractive to kids so I see it coming that they will be involve in this kind of game but with regards to gambling or betting, I was unable to see it coming and this is not a good example for other kids who are playing spider game for fun as it will lead for the young kids to gamble in their early age.

I hope that this Police Raids will make a big impact for the kids to stop gambling anymore and they will just play spider game for fun and there will
be not money involve.

The only thing i do saw on where they do really commit such mistake on where they do play out that spider betting on this pandemic situation which would indeed generate a crowd

which is primarily prohibited on times like these.So it isnt surprising that they would really be caught and would face up some violations since they do know on what is the current laws and prohibitions

towards social distancing.They had been warned but still these kids didnt listen. Wait? where are their parent?

I don't think it will fall on state definition of gambling, as for legalities there are state defined gambling in which includes the animal betting, just like this, it is illegal coz they use an animal. Cockfighting on the other hand have some process to be legal though it uses also an animal. Spider betting is a form of social gambling that is defined illegal by most of the states.

For countries in Asia, this is pretty much natural for them but then we should all follow the laws. Illegal is illegal.

Spiders are territorial they have their own web and if they feel another spider around they feel like he came there to steal the prey. They fight by hitting the oponent with their legs and biting.

I also don't find it entertaining. You are putting a living creature to death for your entertainment. It's like looking at pigs or chickens being slaughtered.

I know it's a part of life but I wouldn't want my kids to play like that. I'd rather allow them to gamble with cards, even wrestle each other.

Betting on spiders could be harmless is like child's play. But in this time of pandemic, multidinary gatherings are reckless and we must avoid them. We must also take care of the health of children and any gambling activity should not be tolerated. The spiders should return to their habitat and preserve it from a possible danger of extinction. Strongly disagree with this activity.

In our country many children do the spider game. If involved money in betting that's to be prohibited and must be guided by their parents. That's true this is not to be tolerated in this kind of activity since there is economic crisis and pandemic people should follow the law and rules. Also, we're still in a community quarantine and this kind of game is not allowed that impose gathering.

Your police officials are doing a great thing to monitor all types of traditional gambling in your city because, in this new normal, people need money, they will do anything to have cash or make money. It is why in some cities, especially in Asian, people tend to play traditional gambling because they hope they can make money from gambling as usual.

But I think even if the police officials caught the gamblers who play traditional gambling, that would not stop for that day. On another day, when the situations are safe, people will play another traditional gambling game. People will try with the different traditional gambling games which will look that are not gambling games to avoid monitoring from the police.

Perhaps, the police need to be more strict with the children who play traditional gambling, so they can know that they don't deserve to play gambling in their ages.

I am familiar with that spider betting. I used to play that kind of game when I was a kid. Well, it's fun yeah. But when it involves money it is already a form of gambling. And kids shall be warned about the do's and don'ts, for them spider betting is a kind of a game that will satisfy not just there boredom but also their happiness.
 Amidst pandemic, parents are responsible to monitor their children to prevent such unnecessarry actions like this one. This is also very popular in our area that even 10 years below knows how to play. Anyhow, this raid may warned them that gambling is still prohibited and  especially at their very young age.

are you from asia ? because i never heard non asian country have tried this but except from breeding rare kind of spiders or tarantulas .

spider fights is not a kind of game but itl still fall under the act of cruelty into species . there was a law about that afaik and thats why police are against with it not that they are against with gambling . if kids want to play, theres other games out there but spiders should be given a freedom to live outside peacefully .

spider betting is not using any rare spider breeds and there are countries that have strict policy in different kind of gambling even how small event it is as long as you are doing it in public and without permit then its illegal .

The people behind that should  always be aware to not doing it in public and of course without kids watching since it can be  a bad habit in the future if they show it to them.

It is the first time for me that I hear about spider betting and I think I will not like it if I ever will be present in such event.I disagree with any insect or animal betting because they have no logic and in most cases like dog fight betting one of the dogs dies.The authorities have done a good job and I think this should be forbidden everywhere in the world.Social gathering was another reason why the cops come in and stopped this.

Well, since this is happening in our place the fun and excitement is when the spider fight is all about the bet. Actually there are winning strategies here applied and it depend on the owner how he was able to take care of the spider like not feeding it for a while to get a good body shape at the same time the apetite to eat is strong which lead to killing a certain spider whenever it meet another spider. The match is being decided by both parties if their spiders has the same in size or strength or even if not as long as the other party will give a betting advantage like 7$ dollars bet winning 10$ will do. This is how it will going to work. Other things to consider is the color and bloodline of the spider. Any small spider could win big ones especially if it has a good bloodline or color. Most of the spiders color determine the environment he sleep like probably in a certain tree which made their skin color special. Others spiders living in underneat of the stones were really a good one in fights.

What exactly is the authority trying to prevent in the country?  Crowded places due to the health problem, animal fighting, gambling, betting on animals?
I think the police is doing the right thing of it is trying to stop or prevent all of the above.  People should avoid gathering in crowded place without following the good safety measures. They should also not allow people to encourage animals to fight nor bet on fighting animals. In regards to gambling, it's obviously not a good thing to gamble in anything atall especially for selfish reasons. We must be good/profitable at betting before committing more money/time in it.
  A bettor must not gamble. Bet with small amount of money or what you can afford to lose till perhaps you become good at the games/competitions. Bet only on good and safe games (no betting on animals fights or other violent games). Be a good and responsible bettor.

This should be discourage because spiders is a big help in the environment and humanity the authorities should discourage this kind of activity, this happens because kids lack of activity in their area, there are no playing ground so they can play, and they can make money from selling these spiders to bettors, there should be a local ordinance that ban catching and betting with spiders.

Check this article and read some of the reasons might actually be useful to humanity.
https://metro.co.uk/2015/11/27/9-reasons-why-spiders-might-actually-be-useful-for-humanity-5529432/

Spider betting is not really a problem here in my country since it's been popular for a long time. The problem is social gathering amidst the pandemic and the kids are outside which is not allowed I think, that's why the authorities are constantly monitoring op's place. Although I don't think that the authorities are concern about gambling at a young age since it's just a small betting made for fun, I still think it's not a good practice for minors because they might adapt it when they grow up.

This is a traditional gambling in our place and yes the authorities are not that strict when it comes to a gambling like this. Right now, people are advised to stay at home especially if you have no business on going outside, so technically the authority are implementing the strict rule about the quarantine protocol.

When I was a kid, spider betting was one of my hobby since in my place every kinds have their own spider and many spider are being sold right in front of our school. Spider betting is fine as long as the money is not that big, but if the player really treat this as gambling, then the authority have to monitor this one.

Authorities now are concern of both the social gathering and most of all the gambling. Even before the pandemic, the President in OP's country have a directive address to the Philippine National Police to stop illegal gambling even the small ones like bingo or card game's with friends. There are so many arrest made by the PNP here in our place on that spider betting games and illegal cockfighting even before the pandemic happen, that's why that kind game is not visible on the streets unlike before where the openly bet on the streets.  

Gamblers specially in this local gambling treat this as a habit,they are doing this for long time meaning this is an ordinary occasion and not that serious gambling.
Though there are sometimes Big money involved in this.
i actually play this in provinces whenever i go to visit relatives outside city.
But for now?i rather not to play because of the rules that government imposes.

This is something that is unique, weird, and quite too much. Spider betting is betting brought to a different level. It is understandable if the ones who are involved are those little children only, but I am sure there are also many adults who are caught up with this hobby. I have read before that huge amount of money is actually involved in this kind of gambling.

And in the middle of pandemic, too. These people should be severely penalized for violating health rules and for illegal gambling violations. I hope government authorities would strictly implement illegal gambling especially those involved with animal cruelty.

Amazing how can people find many forms of entertainment even with the shutdown of casino's and physical sports bookies. It still showed no obstacle for people to bet and gamble, this is a matter of great concern. That country should monitor their community, because it will cause massive transmission due to the lack of physical distancing. The government there may apply strict monetization to gambling platforms itself. Affecting even online gambling websites.

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If I'm not mistaken, there were some kids who face their demise playing this game because the kind of spider they caught was a poisonous one that can be enough to kill them if not taken to the hospitals immediately. This has happened when I was a boy, I watched it on TV back then. So, playing with the spiders is not safe at all.

I cannot find the source today because the news was from long ago but you can read in this article that there are some spiders that only lives here in our country:
https://hubpages.com/travel/Philippine-Islands-Venomous-Spiders-and-Poisonous-Snakes-and-Other-Dangerous-Animals-and-Insects

Yes, and I remember that there are times where there is really no need for one of them to die. Just see who will fall first from the stick and then games over. Right now the kids really have to be law abiding for the time being. Play with spiders but no money should be involved and that no adults should be pushing for money bets. There are youtubers who do this for a living showcasing their groups spider collection and then doing spider fights and put them on youtube. I don't think they are gambling since he was featured on national TV and there was no mention of gambling whatsoever.

thats a different spider on the pic and not the typical spider that we often saw on the spider betting  . if your a kid you will not know it but as long as you saw a spider you will get it if its within your range  .   its not the spiders fault but the parents are also responsible for it , spiders like that wont harm if they arent also harmed . on the pic (  the one that the arrested )  they dont look like a kid anymore but they are adults and i dont think they will arrest kids  that are underage .

That spider betting is already existing even before the pandemic begins and in fact, good business for those who know how to catch this spiders in the fields they sell anywhere from $1 to $10 depends on the class of the spiders, there are also breeders of spiders and I have seen one on my Facebook group for a local spider's bettors, they also have a group for meet up and buy and sell of spiders.

There's money in spider betting and now that we are in lockdown and quarantine some people make a living out of it.


 

I remember the Old days when we need to woke up early in the morning every weekends to spend our time looking for wild spiders that can be use for fighting but back then there are no bet instead it is just for Fun only.

Now there are so many gamblers that loves this game and you are correct because it can be sold sometimes in More bigger prices.
specially those Spider that came from the mountains because the more the spider being wild.

But these gamblers that has been caught ?they must be punished because of their not following the social distancing.

in my area, children make fighting fish as a bet...
making animals a bet is nothing new but making a profit as a bet I'm just hearing this for the first time. actually I am concerned about the security conditions there, it would be nice if the police do not arrest minors for gambling, it's better to just call their parents so that both their parents punish them.

Poor spiders but I think it does have some sort of thrill especially if its an aggressive venomous type spiders  :D

Well yeah, gambling is still prohibited as of now but what I mean is that the authorities are not concerned about these kids betting on spider even before the pandemic because it already becomes a childhood of most of us. And that it's not really their job to worry about kids who might learn gambling at a young age (that's what I'm retaining). But for the protocol, they are now strict towards any kind of physical gathering and gambling.

Personally, I haven't heard or seen people or kids in my place that are into spider betting today.

There's should be presence of their parents once they've been punished.  This will serve as full responsibilities so parents
will really pay attentions with theirs kids, lots of people including minors are being involved to gambling so parents should
help the government by watching your children and prevent them to be involved is a good thing to do with and without the pandemic.

It is the most common reasons why children get involved in vices in a young age because their parents doesn't care about them on what will be the outcome of their children. So it's truly a parent's fault and they should know their responsibilities on taking care of their children for them to stay away from gambling while they are not in a legal age. Also, while we are in the middle of pandemic and we should all be staying at our homes, so it would be easy for parents to monitor their children on what they are doing.

They are not venomous, I can sure of that because kids are the one playing here and even if the one playing are adults they will not bet on venomous spiders, it's a game and betting and the one playing are holding it with their hands and if these are venomous they will be in trouble of getting poison, those spiders are harmless I don't know what are the kinds of spiders these are.

Parents arent perfect persons thats why there are instances on where they do missed out their childrens activity. Who would be the one to expect that playing out spiders would involved to gambling?

since this had been known to be like a hobby but people just made it other way around on involving money when they do make fight out of those spiders.

Parents arent solely to be blamed but somehow telling your kids about gambling or money involvement will really be not a good idea or good thing for them.

Looking at one of OP's posts, I can say that he's from PH.

About the topic, raids happened there not only because of spider betting but:

a) it's an illegal gambling
b) gambling is not allowed yet on a region under a specific status
c)age 21 and below aren't allowed to go outside (in general)
d) violation of health protocols

I don't know the area but looks like the community there is stubborn lol. No offense to OP.

If only there's someone knowledgeable there about creating a simple app for betting, they can get away from the authorities. They can turn their usual activity into something profitable while following the safety standards against Covid-19.

Look at those other trendy gambling games online here in PH like cockfighting, horse racing, billiards - no live audience but a Livestream.

The application of these gambling games is so simple. Not much stuff and the interface is clean. The only important part of the interface is the easy and simple placing of the bet.

What is all story about? Not wearing a mask? Illegal gambling or kids playing with probably dangerous insects?
Come on, they are just kids, dont spoil their childhood. Kids are having fun because they dont have much toys. Parents should be lucky they did not spend all day playing console games.

When I was a kid, I used to hit trees, flowers and grass with a stick. What now? Greenpeace will sue me for nature harm ?

Then it's up to the authorities if they will let the parents accountable for it.

If there's a law that allows the kids to be arrested or at least give some disciplinary action, I think that's all that they have to do. But as I've said about the ignorance of the law, they can't make excuse with that.

Right now, more and more people are violating health protocols, so it's no wonder the corona virus is spreading faster. And regarding
the incident in the opening post, in my opinion, it is 100% the fault of the parents of the children who made the spider betting. Parents
should be increasingly monitoring their children, especially in a pandemic situation like now. It is very dangerous to let children out of
the house. Then regarding betting using spiders, for me it's a new thing. Because I just found out that spiders can be used for betting.
Hopefully the spiders used are not poisonous spiders, otherwise they can be dangerous.

Everyone can have their own opinion, however I do not like the idea of two unwilling beings fighting each other for the entertainment of a few people, I was not aware that happened but it produces in me the same repulsion I get when I hear about dog fighting, and when you add the angle that kids participate in this activity then it makes it even darker in my opinion, if people are so determined to gamble they could bet in several other activities that do not harm others.

I wonder what other countries plays spider battle, it used to be popular in my country but not sure if it's still is. Before it was just a mere gaming and no betting involved but later on betting added for some thrill, it may also be seen by adults who used to play that. It was only maybe now that raids were happening implementing of a much stricter protocols due to Pandemic is a must, especially having no kids outside as well doing gambling in general by the kids should be stop by their parents.

Parents could be the one also encouraging their kids.
This is the time where parents have no jobs so they just go along as well to find more spiders to sell to make money while the kids also spend the time of their lives.  They are force to find way to make money since Social Amelioration Program are corrupted by local officials. If covid is also around thier area then its intensified where the bettings happen.

  

LoL it could be fun at all if there was no money involve, but the thing is kids in the story already knows what they are into. You're right they are just kids, the excuse is very old, you're like saying don't punish them coz they are just kids.

But these days? during the pandemic, playing console gives entertainment that does not require anything from the outside.

Depends on the place lol, if you do that somewhere in a private area and someone sees you goodluck!

There might be some sermons about their parenting or as a guardian but they wont be accountable for such violation.Those kids neither be forgiven or most likely it would be
having that punishment and since they are just minor of age then they might be asked up to do community works as a first offence but if they would be caught on next time
then that would be an another story. Each violation level would have corresponding punishment which is usual.Some might be on some penalties and some
would need some community works.

Wow so it isn't a joke right? So even spider could be used for a bets. But personally I don't want bet in a fight between animal or even insects it's very sad to see :(
Unfortunately yt is full of these creepy videos (fights between insects) likewise different species.
It sounds very strange and far away from my "habits" since in my country (Italy) the most that people do is fight between dogs. Nowadays this is a very rare form of business since most of time they get arrested and fighting dog just dies :(

We Humans are quite interesting, you know? Anything that involves randomness or potential profit is going to be interesting in the eyes of humans, IMO. Would you rather bet on a fight between human to human? Just like UFC?

It is illegal, right? The dogfighting? You know that’s why it’s rare? Lol. Anyways, i hope they don’t just forget the dog and leave it as is.

Once again, the parents need to take care of their kids instead of playing any gambling games because the police already caught the gamblers.
It is not easy as we know that the kids can play any games with their friends without telling us.
It is not a problem if an adult people are caught playing on the gambling games, but if they caught the kids, the police need to ask the parents why they don't watch their kids closer.
The gambling games will take any form to attract people and even kids to play, and it is our job always to try to explain to our kids how dangerous gambling games.

Yes, in our place it is also be done by some people, instead of cockfighting, they often use spiders to do the betting.
It is strange to most people, but this has been done even before in our country. And also, dog fights are also done here, it is illegal and most of the time, fights between dogs are really rare or just not made into public to avoid getting arrested.

now many technologies have been created so that traditional gambling like that has been abandoned, now many are using online gambling which is widely circulating on the internet while more and more developers will make it, although like that there are still some people who practice traditional gambling in some particular place.

definitely the parents know about the activities of their kids. they are only tolerating them maybe because of financial problems. that they let their kids do this activity to earn a lil bit of money.
 also, this news article of the OP is already old. didnt happen during this pandemic. but who knows, this activity is still going these days.

This type of gambling shouldn't be allow for minors specifically on children. It could possibly distract their minds over money and reality, because they're just a kid and what they always think about is winning and fun. If ever they can't handle stress and being pressured by losses it could lead to bad outcomes. Authority's serious sanctions should come after them, but there should be a consideration for these kids and only the gambling stablishment should be liable for that erring matters.

That's one way to take it, another would be them learning how to interact with others via winning and losing, partially making them realize how people always win and lose all the time. Also pushing the blame for gambling establishments wouldn't really stop these kinds of issues, so rather than doing that, it'd be better to educate the kids themselves via the parents, or just be strict with kids in general instead, though I doubt that's going to happen.

Yes, it's true, never participated before though since I'm always creeped out by insects. Plus, never really see the splendor of two spiders fighting. Besides, anything can be used to bet tbh, from the amount of time a bird leaves to the number of people passing in front of you. Anything, as long as one really wants to, anything can be used.

When it comes to gambling games, people become creative, and they will use anything to gamble, especially if that is a traditional game. Perhaps, we don't know the other traditional gambling games that are not popular in another country, but it is popular because people used it to gamble. Many other animals have been used to gamble besides spiders, birds, horses, or dogs.

We know that each country has a different culture, so that can make people search for what games they can use for playing gambling. But if the kids have used that traditional game for a gamble, that will need our concern as we don't want to see the kids become a gambler in the future. We always need to watch them.

Sorry But since when that this becomes a  "GOOD thing?" and besides if i remember it right the parents will be punished if their
 children are under age,but of course there are some Under the table business with the authority that's why this continues.
Another Good thing?is this a Sarcasm ?lol i find it not appropriate to say because the involved are Kids.

Anyway this is the problem in the system if the authorities are not consistent and serious in their fight against illegal gambling,
this becomes their bread and butter to collect Money from these gamblers.

In my country which is the Philippines in my Child, I played also spider fighting but I've never involved money even I'm a child before.
During pandemic hoping all the parents will guide their children because like what we happen some of minor are betting or gambling using the spider and we know their are not mature enough to think what is right and wrong so the parents need to pay of what their children they do because they know what is the role of parents.

Sad to see there is a lot of minor who are betting right now instead of studying they are playing gambling which is really wrong because at their age they need focus to their study for their future.

It depends how the assigned authority personnel will weigh and measure the situation. Personally, if I'll be the one who's the arresting officer, this will be easy as I'll just give them a warning or else 2nd offense, I won't forgive them anymore.

But, the reality is that I'm not and it's hard also for them to just give them a chance again and again if others will see and witness the scenario. The idea of community works is a good idea and they could also implement that based from the verdict of the officer/judge,etc.

Indeed it is little sign of worry as if child starts getting involved for gambling at such an early age then once they get used to make money from this way then it will impact their studies, they would not be involved much in other creative thinking and sports and only will want to gamble to make easy money which they may think. I hope each parent take care of their child and see if they are not involved in gambling from such an early age.

My feeling says that these traditional gambling games still exist in this pandemic, and maybe some people are still playing on those games.
In this pandemic, people need money, and they rather try to make money in many ways, including maybe from playing gambling because gambling will seduce them to play more to make money.
But if the parents know about their kids' activities, and they let their kids play on the gambling games, I am afraid that their kids can become addicting sooner or later.
Once their kids become addicting, their kids will still gamble secretly, and that will need more attention from the parents.

This kind of games are mostly played at slum areas and I see this so rampant before but I don't know if this one really exist today since the spider betting games in my placed has been lessen up. But since OP report or post about the happening I think parents should really needed to look after their child since if their children is involve on this illegalities for sure there will be more in future and that is so bothering to imagine.

So after Cock fighting here another gambling that locally played to bet?
Spider Betting is very popular in our province thinking that
almost every Male knows and bet on this specially in Summer when it is easy to climb Up in mountain places to find good and best spider.

But this Kids really don't know what they are doing,for them it is fun and enjoying while the truth is they can be exposed in Virus that
 they can spread in their houses.

There is no season for gamblers mate,their hands are always itching to Handle bets and wins lol.
and we cannot take it specially in Urban places when 1 buck is almost enough for 1 day budget.
This is enjoyable and very fun game ,but now this becomes a gambling while when we are young this is just something we love to play.
and not only because they are 17 and below but also they are Money in Police Eyes because the Bail that will be asked from their parents is good money.
This gambling can be hide in their houses because this requires only 10-20 people to start and all of them can be accommodated in 1 house so police can't really monitored all of them.

Only few appreciates spider betting because like what you've mentioned, they are less entertaining compared to other games. So I think the first one really explains everything. Those people arrested are hard headed for real simply because they're aware of the things prohibited during lockdowns but still choose to continue. Yeah we might say that they are just doing it because it is the only way they find to earn amidst these hard times. HOWEVER, a law is a law. You break it, you face the consequences.

OP may I know the province where you are residing?

this could be done online IMO, though, we risk the lives of these spiders which are good to nature. The big problem here is the involvement of the minors to gambling and the facilitators who didn't really register this type of gambling to the SEC.

If Cocks are allowed in gambling, spider can too! And if this can't be prevented by the people, they should at least comply to the rules and regulation and conduct it online where participants should pass KYC to avoid the participation of minors.

For someone who was born and raised in the Philippines, I am very much familiar with this game featuring these small creatures, spiders. This was merely a game, children would first catch their spiders and would then bring them into a fight with the others. Somehow this is funny to think that what was once a street game for the children is now being integrated with gambling. But nevertheless, these adults shown in the pictures should’ve known better that protocols must be abide strictly due to this pandemic. And they must be the one securing the safety of these children as well.

Even if that is reduced, I think that some people still play games, and maybe the kids are trying to play those games.
It is not good if the kids are playing those games.
After all, if they played that, I am afraid if they lose the money, they can steal their parent's money because I already saw some kids tell their friends that those kids steal the money from the parents.
No matter if their kids don't always want to watch by their parents, it still a responsibility for parents to guard their kids until they grow up.
Spider betting may be a simple game, but that attracts many people to play it.

Any form of gambling especially like this (physically present) is so dangerous. Yes, I understand how bored we are in our homes because of quarantine but we have to cooperate or else we're going to keep this on forever. Government doesn't have a concrete plan 'till know on how to eradicate this COVID-19, but just waiting for the vaccine to happen.

And if we're still going to be hard headed to violate health safety protocols then our mother country's citizens will suffer even more because of us and the Government.

EDIT: Please don't bash me and says that we don't have any chances to eradicate COVID-19 without the vaccine because we're just a third world country. VIETNAM waves at you.

Children in my opinion needs to be nourished in an environment that should be susceptible to learning and gives them a sense that learning and reading and studying are not boring endeavors but rather important things that they will need to do in order to succeed in life. They will pursue more noble things in life if these children will be taken good care by their parents. Gambling is an adult activity and should stay that way. Children really need to prepare their lives in becoming responsible adults.

But for others like me who was not raised in rural areas, spiders are being sold in cities on which most of people gets into the gambling. Yet we cannot make it as an excuse, just because we get used to it. I remember not only spiders but also beetles, people are making fights using insects and they are betting on it.

Adult already knows that it is illegal, maybe they are just too bored of living and made this as a form of their entertainment.

the spiders sleep while infront of another spider? looks like weaklings. as filipino we're used to these spiders because there are times in a year when its time for crop harvesting, kids are playing these spiders as they crawl out from the pile of crops. there weren't betting involve during those days but its fight to death that spiders wrap the other with its web to consume.  today they have rules already that its a KO-ed when spider dropped 3 time on the pillow. that isn't fun to watch.


its pure entertainment really but adults wanna make money out of it much like cockfighting.

But the thing is everyone of us has its own diversion, it is inevitable for some places that kids are doing illegal stuff for food and money coz that's the way they have not chose to do but that's the only way they can have it. Especially in people living in some isolated places, they don't even know that some of their activities is illegal but the government has its consideration towards less civilized people. But for people that is living in the city, there's no excuse of doing such crime.

Indeed. But Imma tell you, it will really depend on the environment of an individual.

on my place theres people that participate on this  . thier spiders were conditioned verry well just like a professional boxer before a major fight . they gave thier spiders some vitamins and every morning they put the spiders outside to drink water drops fresh from leaves  .

thats what i remember but i know there are other interesting they they do just to win  . the looks of the spiders can also matter just like when you speculate two boxers  so its not really consider as a game of chance .

Are we in the same country? I am from cebu. If you know this province then definiely we are living in the same country. Spider betting here is the new trend and almost every municipalities or cities has this kind of gambling. This is like a gateway from getting bored staying at home for few months.

The update, still spider betting is visible and lively everyday. Probably police officers had given up already for now because the routine conduct or monitoring was stop. Maybe the authorities are busy on some things or other security problems within their jurisdiction.

Spider betting is popular in the Philippines. I remember when I was in high school during summer my friends and I would spend the whole day hunting for spiders well even some men and teenagers in our street gamble with spiders.  Any social gathering is prohibited and some people are really bored staying at home finding other means to entertain themselves. Even when I go to work, I see people drinking even though social gatherings are prohibited. That is why enforcers are being strict in implementing rules.

Living in a third-world country makes you appreciate almost everything and you tend to look/find fun in about anything that you see.

Betting on 'fighting spiders', while they may sound ridiculous, is quite famous especially to the families living below the average income. The only means of entertainment that they have is limited, that is why they find this entertaining. Although in reality it is a 50/50 game and pitching pennies might be more skillfull, you still cannot invalidate that they find joy in such.

If some young people play spider betting, I think the kids will follow them too, as I know that they will have a big curiosity to know something. They can invite their friends and play together in one place without any people knows. That can make the kids enjoy their moment playing with the spiders, and they can use the money inside the games. When the kids play that many times, sooner or later, that kid will become addicting, and we never know what will happen to them when they grow up.

But the sadly the rules here at our country many people are not following because there is still people who always play gambling in the street to the squarters area and I see them doing that. It is popular games of the teenager the fighting spiders but now a days it's not because of the technology the people are busy to their gadgets. Hope many people will not play gambling until the pandemic will gone and those parents have responsibility to their children to guide to the right path.

Actually those experts in Spider can distinguish which insect is good in fighting or not,and also the opponents spider they can analyze who will have advantage or not (This was what i heard while growing with this Game) but in the end?you are right because it is random and even those who says they will win still Their spider dies before the opponent.

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i know that game,Pitching coins against the wall to get close to the other coins?we called it Danhgkalan(Hand Span) in which we need to get near the other coins and if you can handspan their coins then its yours or you need to pay if how much is the agreed Betting.

I guess this really depends on the parent but this spider betting is something being passed here in our province. The parents that are taking care of their children right now did that in the past, they know what it feels like to be at that position but they never actually got addicted to it, not until they held a rooster and seen a cockfight.

Its still a learning environment for the kids, it just need guidance. Kids who grow up in such an environment are always the ones going to be the streetsmart. Gambling may not be good for them but kids will always stray from since they have no money to sustain. Its the grown men that is harder to straighten.

If there is just no lockdown, kids playing with spiders are going to help them to have social life outside the internet. It helps them get out of their computer chair.

Seems like this kind of betting takes place in the country of Philippines for it is usual for young kinds to involve in this of game most specially when you are really at that young age. But in our time, we just used spider fighting as a habitual game and not for a sort of betting because on our past time, no money is involved when we used to play such kind of game. At the present time, young minds are having that understanding how important money really is that they tend to make usual child games into betting games for the sake of obtaining money.

At time of pandemic, spider betting is not just the usual betting game that have been raided because there are also recent news and cases that adults are still holding cock fighting betting games which is also another illegal activity since it is against the released health protocol not to hold any mass gathering to prevent the further spread of the virus. It just so happen that because of boredom and being very hard headed, betting games like spider fight and cock fight are still taking in place so it is just right for the police to raid those places where these activities are taking in action so that people will realize how serious the pandemic we are facing and even kids must stay at home for they are vulnerable on getting infected. Also, kids must not be learning such kind of doing betting games at an early age for they would tend to be seeking such kind of activities when they are growing up. Proper parental guidance is really a must have most specially kids are intended to stay at home at times like this.

Well, "it's not a problem" does not mean it's a good thing to encourage animals, insects or humans to fight and then bet on the fights.
They should be concerned because it's not a good idea to have people enjoy watching animals fight and perhaps kill themselves.
 It's also not good for both kids and adults to gamble. They should only bet responsibily, and only on good games/competitions.

Spider betting is just a normal game and sometimes it's called a kid's game because there are many kids in the province playing that game. Betting on spider game makes the game thrill, similar to cockfighting and I know that it's still illegal because they're just kids. But in this case, social distancing is the main problem, not the spider betting because we aren't allowed to have a social gathering.

Also, it's true that the police raided a bunch of kids just because they're having spider bettings?

We should be aware that we have different cultures and norms.

Even when I was a kid I really wanted to play spider where I was happy when I won but money does not involve it. So children learn to bet money on the spider because they see it in adults so they imitate it. It is difficult to prevent this, especially in this pandemic because many young people today do not go to school, so it is better that we guide them about it.



They are just addicted to gambling so they can think of a way to gamble and it is normal that it happens even in other things.

How long does a spider live?
Are there some way to guess if a spider will be strong or not?
How much does cost a good fighting spider generally?

It will depend on what type of spider it is usually spider tigers or just those small tiger that can fit in matchbox, in these season spiders we're too many now in my country that kids tends to take care them and use it in betting, commonly its only cost less than a dollar or less depending who plays it. Before when I was a kid the only betting rules is who ever win will buy snacks or will just follow some winner orders.

At first I thought the same, to me it looked like a joke but it seems it is a thing in some other cultures and it is really sad, I understand the desire people have to gamble since I gamble as well from time to time but why do they have to choose this particular method? There are many gambling games that require almost no investment and that could give us a tremendous amount of fun without the need to hurt anyone and yet people go through the trouble of capturing spiders and then make them fight against each other.

Thank you for all those explanations Sir. But do you know if a spider is able to make several fights?
Is it like cock fighting where you can have champions winning plenty of matches?

Kids today is different now, they want to try a lot of things and they are more aggressive thanks to the internet they learned a lot of things at an early stage, playing spiders used to be fun but now kids and adults are trying to make money out of it, these spiders are even sold in the internet they are breeding them and selling them.

Spiders are very different from that of a cock/bird because on my experience spiders are only good for one or two fights and they are not the same anymore and you may throw that one away while cocks can win 10x defending on how you take care of them but the good thing about spiders is that they are free you just need to search them in the woods.

Well, kids are just a kid, they always wanted to thrill them because at that age stage, --they want to explore themselves those things they didn't know.
Now, the most concerned here why they raids by the police just because of the pandemic protocols that should be followed by everyone, avoid mass gathering that of course, --social distancing, all I mentioned above and through this gambling games will not follow the protocols that the government implemented amed pandemic. Honestly, I did not like spider fighting, the fact that the government strickly prohibited not to cath these wild spider, they are under protection in the wildlife protection.

Thank you for these precisions.
Ok so it's a very special kind of betting, it's very hazardous as far as I understand. You can't really guess which is the strongest opponent before the start of the fight apparently. So it's more a gambling game than a betting game at the end...

Right, you can't really tell the superior spider at the start specially if both of it has more or less of the same size unlike fighting cock where you can tell which one is on the advantage because you can tell the breed quality by merely looking at the cocks. Yeah, you are right, it's more of a gambling than a betting.

As a kid growing, we never even thought about this as gambling since we are just having fun goingon mountain sides, hunting for these spiders. In our place, you show your spider and the other one will show a spider and you two will agree of they are match or not. We don't usually bet on it because if you lose, the spider that you hunt for hours will be the food of his.

We usually bet on it.

We don't care what other people say at that time but when we do those matches, there are a lot of people surrounding us and when the spiders are unto it, the crowd are shouting. We even received  some punishment by cleaning because of the loudness of the matches. We bet on it but we didn't acutally got in trouble by betting on it but because of how we enjoy the match.

That is right. Somehow, kids can learn fast about something, and they can understand simple things without having a problem. That can make them can easily use something that we use too. And with the internet connection, they can borrow their parent's mobile phones to browse anything they want, and if the parents don't watch or supervise their kids, their kids can visit the unknown website, which can lead them to visit on the gambling or porn website. That is why we need to be serious about guarding our kids and not letting them know something they should not see in their ages.

We bet in terms of those efforts or some times there's also prize when someone ask us to fight with their spider.
I uses to remember those early morning haunts, looking for trees that may be possible for spiders to build their house. Doing this
with cousins or friends really adds up the fun, plus those small amount of bets since from that time it's really not all for the money
but for the pride and the time that we spent chasing those spiders.
Sharing memories! but back to the topic it's annoying seeing this people wo deal with this in this time of pandemic.

But not in our days now because of Physical distancing,yeah Spider gambling is enjoyable but this isd very much need to be close together
 since the Stick that where Spider fight is to small so people need to look closer together to find out the status of each fight.

Maybe after the Pandemic everything in gambling will back soon and not only local gambling like this but all
 the games involved in betting.

It is indeed sad because due to the pandemic a lot of people are looking for something to work on just to earn money for their needs and some people find gambling as an opportunity to earn money but what saddens me the most is about the kids who play gambling. I think their parents lack guidance and discipline that's why a lot of kids nowadays knows how to gamble even if they are still minors.

I agree, the parents would probably do to something different with their money than having their kids gamble it all away. One good thing has it in my opinion, once the police kicks down the doors at your home, you will probably not forget it anymore. It might be a good way to scare them straight in the long run. Every time they gamble now they should be afraid of the police coming through the door again.

No not really, because these kids are aware that they are protected by law and by that they do not afraid anymore on the police getting caught. In fact some of them had tried out of curiosity and their parents had no idea of their activities until such they were called by the officers to settle the and submit their affidavit or explanation for their kids getting caught.

This is the new trend here and I think there is a need for the lawmakers to revise these law becase kids abuses this one already like they were already aware of everything that will going to happen on them and that they think that they are always safe with the law protecting them.

I agree.

That is why it is important that they have to pay for what they've done. It's more better if they will be in jail, not in jail in bilibid but a jail for minors, for sure that will teach them a lesson. Because if they are just going to be not guilty since they are still young, they will get more even unpredictable and might do something more scary than a simple spider betting.

I have read before another betting being done amid with the pandemic which is cock fighting by adults and now spider betting by kids which practically shows how hard headed people are knowing that they are still abiding the law and doing violations that are against the set and implemented health protocols for we are still dealing with a deadly virus that still do not have any cure. At this point of time, it is the main responsibility of the parents to keep their kids to stay at home no matter what the reason is for here in our country, kids or those people aging 0-20 years old are not allowed to go outside because they are on the category of vulnerable individuals that might get caught acquiring the virus. Same with those 60+ ages. Spider fighting like this makes me think this one that the OP stated is being held on the Philippines which makes it more be on the parents to be responsible for children are not allowed to go anywhere and to just stay home due to quarantine. No matter what the reason is, the parents are the one who will take care of the full responsibility for kids are still young ages that must have full attention and patronage.

People already figured the pandemic wouldn't stop if they stop gathering though, it onlyu makes them worse in terms of putting food on the table.  Everyone goes out when there is no authorities watching. Spider or cock fighting will still continue as long as there is money to make specially in the remote areas where Covid isn't spreading quickly.  I'm not really sure where the spider fight is rampant these days all I know is that its being held regularly in rural areas. Not in the cities.
 

Physical distancing might be a factor but most probably spider betting is not allowed and it is illegal as mandated by the environmental law.

That is certainly a big problem and even the barangay leaders are playing and betting as well. They have supposed the one that should give a warned to them before it goes to the police but it was unlikely to happen.

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This is a lesson to learn for the rest of the spider collectors and bettors. This will cause no good for them and better should stop it before someone gets into jail or better wait that it becomes legal.

Then how you do consider for those people who do play or bet with those cockfights? Is it still in inclusion of that environmental law? I havent heard of that they do get attached to this issue about spiders when it comes on being collected yet we know that there are lots of species of spiders which arent endangered so i dont really the involvement about environmental laws or whatsoever.
Next thing about those people who should really impose the restriction and law are the ones who do get involved too that why these activities cant really be get rid completely due to that reason.People are naturally hard
headed when it comes to gambling if they do like to bet or do engage with it then they would push through inspite of the warnings given.

Well, as long as it doesn't involve encouraging the creatures to fight and kill each other and then betting on the event. Maybe "spider racing" will be tolerable.
Oh, so the raiding is just about Social Distancing and not that they bet on spiders?


Ofcourse, we all have! But not all our norms and cultures are good. None of the worldly cultures that currently exist has more "good way of life" than bad.

there is also a penalty for them if they are found to have violated the protocol and they can be fired for it as brgy captain if it's proven that they are doing that. What ever the reason is ,it's illegal so they are the one who should first follow the law before before their constituency complied . As as a leader you should be a good example for everyone

It will depend on the perception of every individual that is being influenced by the norms of the society. We have different cultures and standards that has been followed and since the audience of this forum coming from different countries around the world I expected already different replies. I have read some post that others were glad on spider fight betting but not on those childs involve. Others too did not understand why or what is good in this game involving insects.

All I learn is that we have different perceptions and glad to post this thread for me to visualize the event on what could it be improve or not really needed to include in gamblers gambling list.

Some of them are still doing that.

I contacted my family in the province and most of my nieces are boys and they have these spiders which they brag to me and even let me watch the fights of it. They are not using a stick but these little plastic box where they could see what is happening inside. They live in one house so I don't see any problems to that in terms of social distancing.

we all have perception in gambling and some don't find this cool but we did,Spider gambling ahs been in some countries for long.
And believe me this is good and entertaining.
The problem is if being abused like what these kids did and all those who organized the game.
How i hope that they will wait for the Quarantine to end before having this same gambling again.

Whenever a group is excluded from facing the consequences of their actions that group becomes even more reckless as time passes, even if this is done by kids if they are violating the law then some kind of punishment must be applied, I think going to jail will be too harsh but maybe community service will be the right punishment for kids engaging in this activity, and while this is not going to stop those that are too into this at least it will show all of those that were there just out of curiosity that there are consequences for their actions and with luck they will not do it again.

Anything can really be tied up and can really be a medium for someone to gamble as long it do involved money then it would be considered to be one.
It doesnt matter on what thing it would be as long it would be entertaining and susceptible on making it as a gambling then people will surely do it
and this situation isnt an exclusion and i agree that this had already been a while now when it comes to spider bets where there are people who do make
this as a form an entertainment on letting those spiders do fight.It might not be that appealing for most people but there are places on the world
which do really have some fun on this one but these fellas had done it on the wrong time.

Its no about curiosity but rather they havent put into their consideration on the new laws and prohibitions that had been set by the government and instead
they had just neglect it out and do continue on the thing on what they do want to do.For kids that do violate the law and since they are still minors then
putting them on jail is not possible but having that community service would really do for them to at least learn that they had done the wrong thing
and on next time they are much aware that it is really prohibited specially to be done on these days.

Wow it's not dangerous to chase those spiders?
You're using some special equipment for that? Like gloves helmet and suit?

^ Spider is a kind of insects that protected to the animal wildlife group and the government as well. Because that insects the spider was help people to reduce from other harmful insects like flies and mosquitos, this spider has great help to our ecosystem to maintaining balance and reduce number of the pest. Catching this will probably have an effect to our ecosystem. If in your country this is prohibited, that is a good idea and no one will exemption kids or adults should be penalized who involve this kind of betting. Nevertheless, good thing to hear this news about that their government take an action regarding this matter.

Every animal on this world does really have corresponding usage into the ecosystem for maintaining the balance but to think that there are lots of species or types of it
and basing of n some research then only a few species are considered endangered https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_endangered_spiders. Identifying them would be impossible
if you are just a casual spider catcher on a certain place.Once you've caught that you do catch out these endangered ones then expect that there would be a corresponding
violations of it aside from pandemic quarantine violation.

Kids shouldnt really be going outside specially to this pandemic situation they arent just making themselves go to prison but also they do risk out their health as well.
Its not really worth to do gambling at the moment specially when social distancing isnt present.

Kinda funny though that even gamblers are gambling to these kind of fight. Spider fighting.
I assume that we are from the same place because there is a time where we are doing spider fights too back in the old days but with no money involved. I would like to see any article that they are still doing this in the middle of the pandemic.

Overall, lets face the truth. There are people in our place which are hard-headed and undisciplined people. Probably there are still some places that are doing this spider fighting right now because of boredom too but to bet with it and with many people around it, that is another story already.

Your reactions are really great.

I think you live in a wilder environment like maybe Australia or the US with your reactions but I could link a picture here of what it really looks like:

this one (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Neoscona.punctigera.female.2.-.tanikawa.jpg/220px-Neoscona.punctigera.female.2.-.tanikawa.jpg)
and this one  (https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2Fnqoq3avz7Oc%2Fmqdefault.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwikivisually.com%2Fwiki%2FGagamba&tbnid=jmu_5bFC3XFcvM&vet=12ahUKEwjV4-fk1IHsAhXLxosBHa_SCqwQMyg1egQIARAp..i&docid=XfmB_cv_EgsE8M&w=320&h=180&q=gagamba%20matches&ved=2ahUKEwjV4-fk1IHsAhXLxosBHa_SCqwQMyg1egQIARAp)

We usually see them in that leaf sleeping or in their web if we are actually lucky. It is cool though since it is not like the other spiders that is venomous or so big that it could fit in your hand. They are actually amazing since they are not hostile that would bite you if you hold them, you could even pick them up and blow them softly to make them sleep like that in the picture. We don't have suits or gloves, heck we even go to mountain sides without even wearing any tops. The only thing we should worry about is snakes and this leaf called "lipa", also called here in our country, "lipang kalabaw", "alingatong" or in english, tropical wood nettles based on google. Oh and yeah, I should add our mothers in there since they would be really furious when they knew we did that.

Even if the baranggay captain joins you, that doesn't mean it's right. We all know that any form of gambling (that is illegal) will not be tolerated by the authority, and your baranggay captain know that but always ignored it since he has the power in your baranggay and no one will tell the police (hope so). Given the situation we are in right now, gambling is never the right thing to do especially to the kids, because they are prone to the virus like the senior citizens.

Spider bet!!! Sounds really ridiculous.  In the end, we are betting on spiders! This is really very ridiculous. Although it sounds ridiculous to hear, there are reasons for concern here.  It's really scary news for the future that little boys are getting involved in gambling.  At the age when they will be busy with field games, at that age they will be busy with spider betting.  Can anyone guarantee that they will not gamble in the future?

That's the thing! not just the gamble that people should be concerned but the situation where virus can easily be transferred.

The gambling part is also scary as even in a small form of gambling this young generation can be exploit with more ways or forms of gambling their minds will be open for much bigger risk in coming future.

In part where government official is tolerating such acts he should be reported and be the first one to be jailed with his participation.

What if they dont have other games to play or toys and spider betting is the only way to be entertained. Remember what were you doing in your childhood when you were bored. Im sure that those who wrote here that these kids must be punished and gambling at their age is bad and can turn into addiction in future, had made worse things during their childhood. For these kids, spider betting is a sort of social competing.

Whats ridiculous about spider betting? Havent you heard out other way of gambling which do involves not only on spiders? How about some doggo fight?
For sure you have just only listened up for the first time but these games do actually exist and thats what make it called gambling yet all sorts of things that
do put up some money for them to bet then its considered to be one.Even on simplest decision in life do require it.This do talks as a whole about gambling addiction and with these youngsters who do get involved then theres no question that tendency of gambling addiction is there but it depends on how theyre fully
aware on the risk behind it.We do have our own will though and its up to them on how they do gonna handle theirselves.

there are worse gambling games we do when we were kids. apart from flipping coins and spider fights, we also bet to guess the dates like year when the coin was made. coins normally have year like 1990, 1995, 1998 and so on. we bet it on our palms and just bet and open the coin to check the year. spider fight is normal when you are in the Philippines. playing cards or mahjong is learned by kids as early as 12 in my town. but i guess it changed these days. this was back when there is no internet yet.

Stubbornness is certain, apart from ignoring the health protocols of gambling in a time like this pandemic, gambling itself is basically illegal in some countries and I don't know whether gambling in your place is legal or not. Whether it's betting involving animals or any media, gambling will always be a common activity in society, so it's no wonder that many minors are involved in such cases. I personally just don't like bets in the form of animal fights because it would be better like horse races and / or other animal races, not about fighting animals for a fight.

Spiders are so tiny, sounds funny but I guess it fits for kids.    Sounds similar to coin throw or marble game people bet on sometimes and when I was younger we just did cards for small amounts.    People will always bet on something as risk is a natural factor in life, the government only misses out on possible revenue and taxes by not regulating the industry and providing some positive to oversight rather attempting to prevent the idea and achieving little.

No I'm living in Europe, and your pictures are frightening. Most of people would run away here if you show them this kind of insects.
Our spiders are very small here, and nobody like them, we generally squash them when we see some of them.

Ignorance may be another major factor and those who play and then bet on animals fights can be called as mentally ill persons and should have a proper treatment. I am against such fights and condemn them. I think government should ban these sports altogether so there will be no such sports and no betting on them too.

It isnt only for kids but also in adults as well.It might look a boring kind of betting but you can see that there are lots who do really enjoy even on the simpliest form of gambling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNsK1TkH_5A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dokf_VvEShk
Watching out the video you can really tell that this isnt only a kids game.As mentioned they have just done these activity on a pandemic situation.Also these kind of gambling cant really give out
some significance when it comes to revenue.These are just small time kind of gambling.

not the risk of losing life thru this pandemic though. we can bet just about as much as we'd like but life is just too precious to lose. spiders can multiply more than a hundred to a thousand when its mother lays eggs but for a parent losing a kid is just terrible and all because a spider betting event.

this is as stupid as those college students who risk their lives to bet who will catch corona virus the first thru covid parties (https://chicago.suntimes.com/coronavirus/2020/7/2/21312038/college-students-covid-19-parties-who-gets-sick-first-alabama-pandemic). i don't know if you have heard of this news.

Usually kids do gambling like spider betting not to get money, but for fun. I am actually very worried that the spider betting
incident by kids could become a new spread of the corona virus. Because surely these kids violate health protocols, such as
not wearing masks or not doing social distancing. Fortunately the police were able to arrest the kids. Hopefully, after being
returned to their parents, these kids  can be closely monitored by their parents, so they don't repeat it again.

Actually, there needs some reasons to judge whether it is right or not arresting those kids because of spider betting. Spider betting maybe not fault. But there are some notes:

1. Law in the Country
First, we should know what country is that.
Second, understand also the law of gambling/betting in that country:
- Law of minimal age to gamble/bet (every country has a different minimum age of gambling or betting as what I have example in my post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5230360.msg53962700#msg53962700
- Law of gambling or betting itself in that country

2. Spider betting
Sometimes, we should differentiate between playing spider betting and exact doing gambling for that betting. I mean that sometimes kids are playing that ponly for fun. And if they have made it as real betting, it will back to the first point here.

3. Are they really kids?
Is that the real icture and are they really kids? The country must have their rule and law of arresting people under age. If they are just kids, they may be not be arrested, but back to first ppint, deend on the law.

But, whatever the codnition, if that happens now during this andemic, I dn't think it is a good idea to let our kids playing betting together. It agisnt the health protocol. But  also cannot judge whether they are fault or not because I do not know whether the country also faces this similar pandemic or not. And of course, if gambling for kids is still forbidden, it is important for the parents to control our kids and also directing our children not to play betting/gambling.

Perhaps, that will fit kids, but I won't take a risk for my kids. I prefer marble games or other games, and not trying to introduce the game that will be used for gambling. They will think or see if that game is for gambling from what adult people did when they played. I played marble games when I was a kid with my friends, and we risk some marble to be given for the winner.

Our life is gambling too because when we decide something, there will always be another option besides what we want to make, and the result will always be different.

thats not called betting but call it spider fights if no money is at stake  . kids wouldnt have that idea that spider fights can also be a form of gambling if not because of the adults that influence them.

its not like a regular gambling that are available everyday but spiders are seasonal  . if its not thier season , you can rarely see a spider so no activites related to it   . kids are not also excempted to the rule of pandemic .  kids on our place are not playing spiders but only  to kites yet health officials roam to catch these kids if they see them outside .

Some of the statements here are against animal fighting, well, I value the other culture, but we can not deny that it is common in other countries, such as cockfighting. The main explanation for this is social distancing, since their actions could spread the infection.
It's likely! It's about the influence of adults, so they may like to risk betting on spiders.
Yes, there's no exemption to any quarantine measures, we've got to follow that to prevent growing cases of COVID-19.

That is why I am talking about when I was a kid.

Which at that time betting on other things is also a thing, and I think Filipinos would only knew; text money, kara, patubig, even turumpo(top) is being betting on, and if you are a Filipino, I doubt that you never experienced one of those. That is a life we had in the past, we never even looked at it as gambling since we are having fun doing that, we just realized that growing up.

I think gambling is part of our tradition, Most of us Filipinos usually say, "Pustahan tayo"(lets bet on it), when they know they are right, they would even add "sama mo pa bahay mo"(you could even bet your house).

As a fellow filipino i agree to you that gambling or "pustahan" become the part of our tradition, in fact when i was in elementary i often join in spider betting and sometimes i am the participant and it was fun but also i know that it is illegal, but also the fact that spider betting in Philippines is not considered as one of the biggest illegal form of gambling but i think why the authority arrest those who do spider betting is because we are in the middle of a pandemic and the worst is that there's a kids involved but I also understand that those people maybe seek for entertainment or to do what they love and their habit but the timing is off.

Well, it's not about cultures being different or respecting a culture. It's about doing what is right/good. We all have different things we practice that are clearly not right. It's important we point them out while recognizing that we may not perfect or may be doing things that are actually not good too. Those who listen will stop them while others won't.
Encouraging animals to fight (possibly to death) is actually not a good thing. It's left for people to judge whether it's good or evil/bad. Should we legalize evil because it's cultural?

A question that answerable with different opinions.

We have our own interpretations and we do have legal laws that caters this kinds of illegal act, we should then realized that we are still inside a society that have different house rules. If what's legal to your place may be illegal to other side.

We are not perfect as there's chances that we already being brought to this kinds
of situations where we see people encouraging illegal gambling like this, aware of
illegalities but due to many people are betting we are encourage to participate without
thinking of any consequences that may take place.

please don't be stupid,that is not an "Animal' it was "Insect" and why you are against the fight?
or you just don't know what are you saying here?
the issue is about the Kids gambling and not respecting the social distancing .
They're parents must be the one who needs to answer this to the authority as teens cannot be put in Jail.

Spiders are never been an insect lol. Insects mostly do have wings, on the otherhand, spiders do not have any, and are 8-legged animals, they are called arachnids.
Honestly, I've been also playing that spider fights when I was an elementary student.
But there are law that are against it, so better to follow the law. That's why spider betting is an issue, we should not force any animals to fight each other.
But actually, it's the parents responsibility to put their children away from gambling, unfortunately, some of them just make them much near into it, plus it's pandemic they must stay on their homes.

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@MFahad, how did you say that they are mentally ill persons, and are needed to take proper treatment? :)

Well thank you for the correction. I also intend to use the insect word to describe the spiders which you have mention. But it is not common word to be use to describe the spiders. Most they called it insect because its favorite preys are insect.

Anyway, in regards to law spider fight is illegal and whether we like it or not this gambling type usually done in a venue where authorities could not locate or will be detected when they come for raid. It is usually in hideous place so as to let them enjoy betting illegally.

Lol thanks for the correction ,i have just carried away when i read about His post regarding the gamblers the mentally Ill person.

but at least you have gave trivia here like the poster above me who already thought that Spider is a insect  ;D

Edited my post already mate.

Crazy world we live in.

Thanks to this topic I realized spiders aren't insect lol

And some people thought Pokemon Go was bad...

When I was kid we use to play this "coin and knuckles" games at school or kindergarden. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqP3oLmREp8 Here is the short video. You twist the coin, next person needs to hit it with finger so it would continue twisting. Those who failed to do it, get a hit by edge of this coin into the knuckle. If you play like 3-4 persons, in 5 minutes (during a break) you knuckles becomes a bloody mess. We even but bets if next hit will open a wound or not (but betting was not often). This is games is worse than spider betting :D

We can always find something that is worse than spider betting but I do not think there could be too much of a point to do so, what it is important is that this seems  to be against the law and if the kids are bored enough to do this then they should find another activity that is more productive than spider betting, also this kind of behaviour could lead to even more reckless bets on the future like illegal car racing in which not only they could put the lives of other people at risk but even their own, so it is better to curb this behaviour as soon as possible.

the games above aside from hurting the knucle dont look like worst than spider betting but i find them interesting , i didnt know that there are so many ways to gamble  as a kid . spider fights is worst i think because there are insects involved and its one of the illegal known kind of betting  . kids are too young for other illegal betting like racing but as they grow older they also look for more adventureous type of betting  . this is why im with you of preventing this to happen by guiding our kids properly before its too late .

Seeing up the video about that coin and knuckles then i can say that this is much worst than on spider betting.It might not really get involved with some insects but you do hurt up yourself and i dont see for it to be interesting.This is my first time on seeing this kind of game where kids can do about.For spiders then i dont consider it to be endangered for it to be heavily protected.Its still many and lots of species that do still exist.
Its just people are really fan on making things to be included on a gambling or betting activity.If this one is considered harsh due to animal involvement then horse racing should be banned too?
or any other that do involved any species of animal.When it comes to kids that do involve on these betting activity then good parenting or guidance would be the main solution on this one.

What is the real thrill of gambling?
We want to bet on everything, although at this point it is something cultural and even humorous, in fact  tourist for some.

"...the bet to survive, in the wild life is justified," pocket phrase from a gambler to justify.  :(

I guess the real thrill of gambling will be a win or lose. The sensation of winning will be different than the loss because if we win, our feeling will be full of happiness, and we will celebrate it with our beloved. The sensation of gambling is very tempting every person, making people who don't know gambling want to feel that.

If traditional gambling games have the attention of tourists, they will try to look closer and learn how to play it.

Our life will be full of a gamble because we risk every decision we made to get something we want.

I can't help but wonder how many things there are in our world that you can bet on and enjoy. In our childhood, games were much more harmless. We played on the inserts from gum and also getting pleasure from it.
The main thing in this situation should be that children play only among themselves and not be involved in adult games.
How dangerous are these spiders?

We might not know, children's now a days are being exposed to gambling already by playing games in their mobile and desktop devices. Lotteries in games already exposes the concept of gambling.

I want to share my experience, in my childhood, I have tried to breed these spiders, nourish it and fight with other kid's spiders. Though we haven't placed any bets, there's so much fun in it. So for me, it's okay for children to see these things as long as they will not spend any amount to bet. I can say, right now, I can consider myself not addicted to gambling based from my experience like this.

I'm sure they are not dangerous for humans, but dangerous among their species. I just dont understand how can they force one spider fight another? Keep them hungry? Then they are torturing them and this might be worse than just gambling.

I think this story in overall is not about gambling, but another story about someone not wearing protection masks during pandemic. And press just add sound words "spiders, kids, gambling" to attract more attention.

well I totally agree with what you say because currently there are lots of games that add a feature which is commonly called "Gatcha" which in my opinion is the same as gambling because the items you get depend on luck, if children are addicted to games like that then they will spend whatever money there is.

It's much easier to control what your kids are doing on mobile devices. You can install special software and restrict access to unwanted apps and content.
It's much harder to control what they do at school or on the street. Here you need to resort to proper education and explain that you can not play games for money.

That's the focus or the highlights of this concern, the protocols for not wearing the safety guards, it will open the chances of spreading
the virus, plus the information that it was also alarming since young kids are involved, people that supposedly not allow to go out as per the rule of government while we are still inside quarantine status.

That's why parents need to consider spying their kids when they are not in the house because they could see another behavior of their kids in the street. Wise parents will follow their kids in the street to see what they were doing and when they found they are not doing the right thing, they will discipline their child. So that things like the OP post won't happen in the future.

The reason why children are also betting from their spiders is because of the influence of the adult. Hunting spiders is hard when you're gonna do it in a broad daylight, while in night, they're easy to hunt since they are in the middle of their web and all you need is flashlight. So they come up with the idea of selling it or let it fight and then put a bet on it.

And about your concern on how dangerous are those spiders, they are safe to play even if the children got bitten by it since it's just a orb Weaver spider.

I am afraid that the kids will enjoy playing that game because they will not think it is part of gambling. When they feel enjoy, they will play more and more, and if they play for a long time, they can become addicted to that game without they know. I am really worried if the kids don't know about gambling because they will do that until they grow up.

They won't get addicted if they have good guidance from their parents.
Parents should teach their kids on proper management of money.
But I don't always agree that if they play more & more on games like TopT3ns said, they will get addicted.
Mentioning my experience, my chiildhood was almost full of child gambling games, but I did not become addicted into it even on time that I'm winning too much.
I also experienced betting for our childplays, on on my gradeschool and Highschool days, I already betting and fighting others on games like DOTA( Dota 1 for gradeschool, Dota 2, on highschool to college).

So for me, the key is discipline :)
It's fine using money for gambling, but know your limitations. ;D

And it is fine if you have earned these money by yourself, but not stole it, parents gave you these money for lunch or etc.

I believe that if person earns money, he has full rights to spend as he wants. Gamble all of them or partly, that is his own decision.

The more experienceyou got when you're a kid the better you will be when you get older. Getting addicted for some time but it passed later shift to another addiction like swimming on rivers, fishing using a handline and computer games are just few that I also got addicted. 


True. I don't see betting on spider fights really will be an addiction the fact that there come a season when spiders are hard to find, particularly on rainy days, there isn't just  many individuals going ot risk looking for spiders.

From my experience, I know that it is impossible to be near a child all the time. There are a lot of places like schools, sports clubs, interest groups, houses, streets where children can be alone. Each of them has friends and classmates. All of them communicate with each other and talk about games.
Wise parents should explain to their child what is good and what is bad, what can be done and what can't be done.

That is absolutely correct, as a parent you cannot stay 24/7 with your child but you still can explain to the the reality of gambling. You can also keep an eye on his funding by occasionally checking their wardrobe and room.

How about this, would you consider gambling if the items involved are not money or crypto, but material things. Like this spider fights for example, the spiders themselves would be the prize and the others will bet with their collection of spiders too. Sometimes it might be baseball or trading cards instead of money. In my opinion it is also a form of gambling, but it is a bit discreet. Whether it is money or trading cards or spiders, it is gambling. What about you, do you think it's gambling?

I also have spiders before when I was a kid and we also do that spider betting, I enjoyed it before because it is really amazing seeing two spiders fighting each other. This is also good when you know that two spiders are really strong based on the features of their body. I didn't know before that this is illegal because just like what I have said, I am a beginner at that time and then just a cople of months ago I had watched the news about it and saying that they raid those people who are involved with the spiders betting.

It seems like gambling is prominent all over the world because they even involve animals just to make a bet. Maybe it is just the nature of some people who are really addicted to gambling. I don't know they tend to rely on gambling well in fact there are some other things that they can do to earn money and get entertained as well just like what they can have in gambling.

Yes, it's still gambling even without any money involve as long as it has a bet. The only difference is that betting material things such as what you've mentioned is not addicting at all and can be replenish anytime. For example, if they will bet each others spider and the winner will take its opponent spider as a price, then the loser could easily hunt another spider again. Unlike betting with money, since kids are involved, they might end up pickpocketing their parents wallet secretly just to have something to bet, which is not good.

I also experienced in my childhood, but I don't play gambling more often like my friends because my parents always prohibit me and say that I must avoid gambling. But at that time, I was a kid, and when we are together, sometimes we play some games with small money ;D

Knowing your limitations is the key to prevent losing money, but many times we lose control of ourselves and in the end, we really lose that money. It is difficult, but that is what we need to do.

The most important thing that parents should give their children is to lay down a system of values of what is good and what is bad. And they should show this first of all by their example. I try to check my children's personal belongings less, they are already old enough. This shows that I trust them.
In any case, in our country, there are no fights of spiders, roosters, and other things.

But there is a big difference here, in horse racing the horses are not forced to fight each other or anything resembling that, they just run, which is something the horses will do naturally so the activity itself is not endangering the animal anymore than what it will happen in nature, however in the case of forcing an animal to fight things are different, many of those animals will carry injuries from the fight or will even die, and while some may argue this also happen in nature the big difference is that in this case they are been forced to for the entertainment of some gamblers which is simply not right.

Not that I'm going to justify Kids Gambling.

They are the kind of spiders that kill each other in the jungle and there are billions to gazillions of them everywhere in the country, one spider can spawn more than thousands of their kind every time.  Its just the grownups that put them on the makeshift arena and bet them to fight but when we were kids, we just let them fight to death.