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I had an electrum seed and wrote it on piece of paper.  I then decided to write it on a password program like lastpass/keepass.  So in order to get into the lastpass, you need a password.  And i put the lastpass in dropbox/google drive and store it there.  My thought was if someone somehow hacked into my gmail/dropbox, well they still need the password to my lastpass in order to get into my electrum seed.  I put the electrum seed in there as i type it out a long with my other bank account and everything whether its online site or anything.



Then i no longer used electrum.  I used a nano ledger s and store coins there.  But I did not type in my nano ledger seed in lastpass and thus did not store that in gmail/dropbox.  But again if i did... well a hacker would need to first hack into my gmail/dropbox... then get into the lastpass or keepass etc.  Wouldn't that be very hard?  And imagine you encrypt lastpass as well.  Wouldn't that be way too hard?



So i only have the seed written on paper and put it in the house.  But of course things could happen like fire, floods etc.  So what is the best way to store your seed to prevent this?  I heard of cryptosteel where its fireproof and floodproof so that works?  But isn't the issue if someone finds it, well its pretty easy to see oh why is there a bunch of long words and some ppl might even figure out its the seed to a wallet?



Now if you write the seed in a notebook with a ton of stuff there, well that would be hard for someone to find.  Imagine like you have a notebook where you have the seed there but also in the first few pages write down like nursery school rhyme or children books and lot of stuff like that, well obviously it won't look like its important.



Also i hear ppl say break your seed into two or three parts.  That makes sense but do you leave all the parts in the same house/apartment?  You hear about how you give one half to someone else you trust, you keep other half.  Well what if you no longer see the other person anymore or something happens, then what?  Obviously you would need to immediately send your coins to a temporary wallet in the meantime.

I heard ppl say put it in bank safety box and put it in two parts.  That seem good idea since well even if someone get access to your box with half the seed, they still need the other half.  But what if someone break into the safe and you didn't know until later on?  Or say it happens and your seed paper is gone... though that person only need to take a picture of it or write it down as taking the paper would be dumb as it would draw suspicion.  But if you lose half the seed, and say your hardware wallet malfunctions, then you are like screwed.


I know ppl say the moment you don't have access to your seed, immediately get the coins out of that current wallet.  But if you are on vacation and you come back and house burn or flood, well then you are screwed.  I mean its like unless you live in one of those nice high rise condos or hotels with security to check in... its like you are always vulnerable?  For example i feel like if you live in those luxury buildings with security and live in the mid to higher floors... well then your seed, device will be pretty safe? 



So wouldn't that mean typing your seed in lastpass/keepass and storing that in your google drive or dropbox... would still be relatively safe?  Because hacker need to hack your email... but they need to get in your lastpass/keepass which would be very hard to almost impossible assuming you dont have malware on your laptop?  I feel like its safe this way because well if there is a fire or flood and your seed is destroyed or device is destroyed or whatnot, well as long as you remember your gmail/dropbox password and of course your lastpass/keepass password, well the seed is there.  People say never store your seed in an email, but isn't this way more complex since they need to get through multiple steps?  First the email or dropbox cloud service, then they need the password program password?  And you might even encrypt it as well.  But if you do so much, of course you could forget one of the passwords.

The best way to back up your seed or private key (depends on which wallet you use) is creating multiple backups and in some different formats: in harddrives, USBs, piece of paper, metal sheet, in vault, etc.

Important note: you must store your backup offline. More precisely, when you create your wallet, you should also create it offline.

Wallet creation (offline) -- Backup storages (offline).

To further avoid risks of potential physical damages (fire, water, flood, etc.), if you can you should store backups in multiple locations.

Never store your wallet backup or passwords of your accounts online. Never should do that! There are always risks of data breaches on any services, not exclude Dropbox, Google Drive, etc.


I then decided to write it on a password program like lastpass/keepass.  So in order to get into the lastpass, you need a password.  And i put the lastpass in dropbox/google drive and store it there.  My thought was if someone somehow hacked into my gmail/dropbox, well they still need the password to my lastpass in order to get into my electrum seed.  I put the electrum seed in there as i type it out a long with my other bank account and everything whether its online site or anything

Basically, the device you use to store your backup should also be kept as much offline as posisble (almost like a cold-backup-storage device).

It is one of the way to complicate things. I would not go to such thing for a single wallet with a single seed/ private key. The biggest disadvantage of this method is sometimes people forgot how they mixed things, and can not recover wallet later. It sucks when you self-create troubles this way.

An alternative for you is multi-signature wallet. You can easily create it with Electrum wallet. You will have to choose how many co-signers who will sign signatures and unlock funds in that wallet. It is safer.

Documents:

• Multisig wallets (https://electrum.readthedocs.io/en/latest/multisig.html)
• Creating a multisig wallet (https://bitcoinelectrum.com/creating-a-multisig-wallet/)

I have been using paper to write down the seeds for the last few years. I know this is risky, can be burnt, or lost or destroyed by any other reason and that's why I consider saving 2 pieces in two different place. One is in my hometown and another is in my rented house where I used to live. It's unlikely that both will get destroyed at once.

I also have my seeds written on paper and laminated it.  Buried it underground enclosed in a waterproof capsule.  Lamination for added protection, and buried underground to be fireproof.  I also create several backups of my seeds on flash disks.  Having both digital and tangible backups also help in case an unexpected thing happens.

There are unlimited possibilities so you can imagine all kinds of scenarios. As for me, I wrote my seeds on a piece of paper. I made three copies. Since I only got two recovery sheets from my ledger box, I wrote a third copy on another sheet. I kept them in three different spots where I'm living. But I make sure that I'm carrying one with me whenever I travel far or whenever I'm gone for a long while. It may not be safe that way but so is my little box.

I admit that I may lack certain security measures in keeping them. The problem is that I don't want to make things complicated as I might end up not being able to access them myself several years or decades later. As a matter of fact, I've already forgotten where I kept one of the copies of my seed.

Stainless steel can help. Bitcoin Seed Backup Tools (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5263482.0)
Crypto Security - Additional Protection For Your Seed/Private Keys. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5230920.0)
https://jlopp.github.io/metal-bitcoin-storage-reviews/
https://www.wikihow.com/Waterproof-Paper
https://www.wikihow.com/Make-Fireproof-Paper

Storing your wallet's seed on an encrypted storage such as a password manager makes sense in theory, but this method is really only viable if you do things correctly; and that's a huge IF.

If you digitize the 12-24 words through an air-gapped device running something like Tails OS, with you completely and confidently knowing what you're doing, then sure it can work. But just simply typing out the words on your online personal computer? Definitely not. Your 12-24 words could probably be already leaked by now if you did it this way.

Also, if it's the case that the hacker gained access to your gmail/dropbox, though the hacker will most likely have trouble cracking the password assuming you have a really secure one(40+ characters, etc), I still wouldn't risk it.

Storing seed phrase for any bitcoin or digital wallet should not be disclose for it can trigger hackers to get your seed phrase in a way that they had already some clue.

But storing a seed phrase is a good discussion especially if seed phrase store not in any digital devices like notes, vault(fire proof) or any way that cannot be access through internet. It can also be done in scripting it to the hard surfaces like woods, limestones and etc. LOL.

For me the best way to store seed phrase is to keep it in notes safety in a storage box or place where it could not be access to anyone unless you wanted to trust it with someone.

I keep one of my seeds hidden inside of an image using steganography.

I secure mine on a clean usb flash drive and I also have a copy of it on a piece of paper but I always misplace it so I find it safer for me to use flash drive rather than a piece of paper.
But of course there are risk on holding it on such thing some would agree that the safest way is to store it on a paper because it could never be hacked online or be infected by a virus.
That is why I only use my flash drive when needed and I don't connect it on other device only on my computer.

You can use the deposit box at your bank to save your seed's and everything related to your assets in the crypto. Besides having a hardware wallet, you must have special places such as a deposit box or rooms that you can use to keep your private stuff, not just everything from the crypto. I don't suggest you store your seed or your password for another account in the cloud because that will be too risky if something bad happens to your account, even if you can restore all of your cloud accounts. After all, when your account gets hacked, you will hard to get your asset or account. After all, the hacker will use it for themselves.

Writing your seed or password in the paper and laminate it with plastic will be a good idea since you can save it in the deposit box, and I think that can prevent other people from stealing your stuff.

Mr Robot spotted ;D

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Seriously, you cannot take any risks when storing the private keys to your wallet. It is the only thing that can give the owner the full control of the wallet. Think of it as "Admins rights", for laymen

The concept of a air-gapped device to store it, is definitely good provided you can spare one.

However storing the keys written online is a risky way to store them. We have seen iCloud hacks which led to some embarrassing situations for many celebs and other cloud service hacks too because hackers know there is sensitive info there they target them. So dont keep it there.

You could also prefer to go with the hardware wallets, keeping it written somewhere safe or store it in an external USB drive which you will only use for this purpose. Just dont get paranoid over it, be logical.

I write my seed in a notebook pen and write it on a mobile notepad..

One of my wallet seed is stored separately. I split the seed into 2 papers and I hid one under my phone case and one is in a text file on my pc encrypted with password that is saved and written in another piece of paper lot of work but makes me feel secured because I've been traumatized getting hijacked around 2bitcoins before.

There are a lot of wallet stating and making a warning to their users before using this wallet they need to keep their seed which is not on only or any kind of digital storage, so instead, I store this on my notebook and wallet of course I made two copies to make sure if there is a chance I lost the paper on my seed wallet phrase I have a backup, also I made a different kind of backup with the use of the paper, of course, there are a lot of seed everywhere on my place, so to make sure I will do not forget about the phrase, it's better to be safe and secured than forget all the money on your wallet.

be careful, your slowly becoming paranoid now .  like they said you dont need to complicate things . why not chose 1 method that you think you are capable with  . not hard and not too easy but its just the right amount of difficulty for you and to the people around you  . i did once wrote my seed on a notepad and transfer it to my phone but i forgot and i reformat my phone  . fortunately it was an old wallet with nothing important stored on it  . storing elsewhere can be useless if you have memory problems with your brain  .

I'm not like others who think a complicated way to store their seeds like splitting it in half because there's a chance I might forget it for a long time. That is why I am now storing all of my important info in Keepass, I choose this program because it can be used offline yet the database created on it was saved on your phone so you don't need to worry where the database located. Just like I said the database of KeePass was made by you, unlike an online password manager.
I also once used to store it on a piece of paper but this can be destroyed instantly if something natural disaster happens. So I moved it in form of digital.

Or you can refer to this comprehensive thread: Bitcoin Seed Backup Tools (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5263482.0). There are a lot of options in there, choose what fits your need and requirements

Exactly, there's this thread[1] that's made to discuss storages like this. Fire proof and water proof.
[1] Store your bitcoin seed / private key safely (Water, Fire, Shock-proof) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5278839.0)
My only strategy is the basic one, written on a piece of paper for the backup while keeping the paper that came from Ledger and keep it to a place that nobody knows.

Smart action, storing on paper can be destroyed in the event of a natural disaster, fire or other. storing offline on the cellphone also doesn't go anywhere because the cellphone can be damaged and the data is also automatically damaged.
I prefer to copy on paper and keep it in a vault, I think it's safer.

Seeds are easy to store as long as you are creative so that only you know how to retrieve them quickly. I often scatter them on social media by sending them out to my friends who are not crypto-savvy and I often miss 1 character.
I've printed them out and put them in the books on the shelf. I sent the restore script in the saved section in the Telegram app.
In many ways, we can keep the restorable 12-character string safe.

you are indeed creative on storing your own seeds but i find it easy to stole  , sorry . you sure you know your friend ? what if they secretly learn a crypto  . once they are familiar with the seeds , they can easily guess the missing characters and open your wallet . you scatter them but what if they got curious and they pm your other friends to gather all the codes  . telegram is more risky than the first .  lastly , putting them in books can be easily discovered  . you might want to re locate them ?

You can set up accounts that can only be accessed if someone has the seed + passphrase (more about this: https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005214529-Advanced-Passphrase-options) which would divide your funds between non-passphrase protected and passphrase protected. Then you can make the former act as a dummy wallet in case of wrench attack or when someone gets ahold of your 24 seed backup, and there's a high chance they'll be convinced that's all you've got.

Not telling anyone you're holding cryptocoins also helps in minimizing physical attacks since thieves sets targets.

I never use dropbox or google drive my seed or another account because I don't want to be the hacker's next target. I prefer to save on my computer, which is not connected to the internet. When I want to access that data, I can use a LAN connection or use a flash disk drive to access. But I am thinking about using one place that I don't want to reveal to anyone except the closest people in my family, so I can know they can use the wallet when I am gone. But having a safety box will be a good idea because that can store all of the information that I have.

The big issue i mentioned in my original post is... what if something happens to it physically.  Whether its a natural disaster or theft.  That is the main issue i have with writing it on a piece of paper.  Now obviously you write it into two or three parts... but do almost all of you leave that paper in one location?  I mean if you leave it in two locations, well you need to make sure you can access the other location.  Like what if something happens to that person you gave the other half seed to.



Someone mentioned they leave the other part of the seed in their vacation home.  Well... who lives in the vacation home when you are not there?  What if there is a natural disaster or theft?  Now what if the thief just takes a whole bunch of stuff and the seed paper is there.




I always felt like storing it digitally prevents all this from happening.  Someone else said... they type it in keepass... which is what I did.  But that person doesn't seem to say they upload it to the cloud.  Well if you don't... where is your keepass stored?  Only your laptop and a usb flash drive that is encrypted?  Because like the piece of paper, natural disaster or theft would destroy it.  But if you upload it to the cloud... well, hacker needs your username/password for it... then they need your master password for keepass.  Have there been cases of ppl who gotten their seed hacked by uploading it to the cloud using this method though?  All i heard was ppl just typing it in an email not encrypted... so if someone hack a person's email, well there is the code.  Now to take it a step further.  What about typing the seed in keepass and say encrypting keepass?  That way, hacker needs another password.  So they need your email/cloud username/password... then your encryption password for keepass... then finally your master password for keepass.  I mean... that would be multiple barriers.  But the odds of someone getting into all these parts would be way too hard right?

Since we keep a lot of valuable assets in our wallet, we should think about the protection of it.  I think it's better to write seed physically without leaving on online.  And if the amount of asset is more, we should exchange it to our fiat currency.

I wonder if I tell you where I store my seed in detail. I do not know you and probably it is not safe enough, to tell the truth. So, as the other said, I will give you common and general thoughts about it.

At least, there must be backup. I can't say what kind of backup you need to do. But you can do as follow:
1. In your email
2. Printed paper
3. Certain book
4. Image in data
5. Sent to other person contacts who is very trusted
6. Mke some code in your online and offline notes.

Actually, sending it to my mailbox is very risky because hackers can be there to pick it. However, it is just an option and ou need to pick the right one. 

Then the question arises of what to do with fiat money and where to store it

We can use our common sense upon storing our Bitcoin seed to avoid all costs that you have been mentioned above. If you don't feel comfortable with the piece of paper where you wrote your key because of possible natural disasters, why did you not make a piece of thin metal that you can engrave your seed and a key to preventing natural disasters? There are certain ways upon keeping your seed and that's our responsibility to keep them safe.

About the theft, if you can afford to buy a huge Bitcoin amount for sure you can also afford to have security at home. We are now in modern technology at every household can afford to have CCTV cameras, I don't theft will not easily spot if you have this at home. You can buy also a large vault for all your valuable things including fiat for the theft can't easy get them. Next is set alarm system at home, anytime you will be warned if there is a theft.

In any problem, there's a solution if we will use our common sense.

I just store them on a piece of paper and making it look like it's just a couple of recipes from a cook book, a receipt from whatever I bought on a book store, and a to-do list that I'll never be able to complete due to the obscurity of the words listed in there. I have stored them as a Python file too on a flash drive and a device that I'm no longer using or connecting to the internet should I lose all these pieces of paper due to my carelessness or whatever reasons. I'm pretty much a non-techie guy so I don't dive into technical details for the most part, so I stick to basics and something that I know and I can manipulate very easily.

We have been talking about something similar in the Spanish section of the forum and the truth is that there is not a method that is 100% safe, you can go either for simplicity sacrificing some security in the process or you can go for a complex system that is more secure but that brings the risk that if something fails or you forget how to do something then you will not be able to recover your own coins, my system is very simple my seed words are on an old notebook which is full of notes so the seed words are not obvious at first sight and as a backup I use an encrypted USB in a different location, that way it is very unlikely that both backups will fail at the same time.

How do you encrypt your usb flash drive?  What program you use for it?  So whenever you plug the usb stick to your laptop, you need to put a password in order to open the file... correct?

That a good idea I think but seems risky if you lost your phone because you can't open your wallet anymore if you lost one of the copy. I think making multiple copies of the wallet seed is the best option in my opinion. Writing it in a paper is I think not bad personally I put all of my passwords in a personal notebook so that if I need to open a wallet or websites I just need to open the notebook and every password is written in that notebook. That still has some disadvantages but you could make another copy in a flash drive.

Unlike others who write down their seeds on papers,i really don't have time to write them down, so for me I normally store my seeds on a facebook, l use my first Facebook account to send the seed to the my second Facebook account, both accounts are being protected by two-factor authenticator (2FA), I also have several recovery codes which I can use to access them later just incase I lose my phone I can still be able to access both Facebook accounts with those recovery codes, then the screenshot of those recovery codes are been stored in the cloud on my google drive.

I only store them on a USB flash drive and not just on one flash drive at least I have more than two. Well, so far I have no significant problems even though my computer has been hit by a virus several times in the past, so that there was a notification after the incident about changing the password in the email and several other events that can still be resolved. I personally have never copied onto a paper with writing, because I feel it can make my own mistakes because in writing it is very possible to make mistakes about typos.

I have mine in 2 different places. One of them is an old hard drive because they don't degrade as easily as USB drives and even in case of physical damage can be recovered. It's stored in a simple text file written somewhere between the lines and the file is hidden among other garbage files. You have to know the file name and use the search function, otherwise you'll be browsing for days.

The second copy is on a piece of paper, hidden somewhere a thief would not look.
Good spots for such things are for instance behind the baseboards or in a hole in the wall. Say you want to hang a tv on the wall. You drill one additional hole behind the metal plate, roll up the paper and put it in the hole, then cover it with the wall mount. Close to impossible to find even by a thorough burglar.

Unless if you do hold tons of BTC or coins then a metal plate or steel would be a good option if you do really mind off about being burnt or being erased when you wrote it on a paper.It depends on how you do break down those keys but be sure that you wont really forget on where you had placed or store those pieces because if you do then say goodbye to your coins.There are lots of ways to store it which had already been mentioned earlier by most members and also i dont really trust up cloud storages like googledrive or dropbox when storing up these kind of informations or even on my sole email, i wont consider this as an option.
Its better to wrote up those keys on a paper.

Are you aware that you are already giving the seed to someone once you upload it on the internet. Saving your seed phrase in a plain text to Facebook is not a good idea even if you say you have a 2FA authenticator. Imagine how those top exchangers getting hack like the Binance itself. Hackers nowadays are getting smarter and wiser, plain text somehow can be search with their own application. Best way to hide it from everyone is to write it down on a piece of paper then hide that paper somewhere where you are the only person or someone you did trust know the location of it.

Of course I store seeds in many places, just in case if the place to store seeds is burned or damaged, there is still a safe backup.
I like most people use paper to write seeds, and store it in a safe place, which only I know about. And I will not tell in this forum
where I save seeds that have been written on paper. For fear there are members of this forum who know me, and know where
I store my seeds.

I know this maybe the hardest thing to do when storing seeds but I think the ideal and the safest way to store them is to memorize them, though it may sound very challenging, it can be done if we only have the will to do it especially if we only have a small number of wallets with significant amount of funds with it. Imho. :)

All security scenarios for your seeds can be done as creatively as possible but with a good level of security.

The way I do to secure the seed is to encrypt the document with Winrar and then save it on my offline hard drive as well as my online drive. The most important thing is the online drive account that is used is not connected to this forum or other work, so it will be very rarely accessed, to avoid phishing.
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I also do some of the same things that people in this group do like keep on a sheet of paper and do the lamination. There are also several methods used so that a sheet of paper is not easily damaged and remains safe, namely by using a "Time Capsule" which will be buried underground and the documents in it will remain intact because the Time Capsule is resistant to corrosion.
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I just write my seeds in a piece of paper and then put it in my wallet.

I feel that in that way, it is safe already for the reason that I'm the only one who is engaged in cryptocurrency here. Even though my relatives will see it, they don't know what is the meaning of it so they will just ignore it. I don't like them teaching regarding crypto too because I don't see them that interested when it comes to this type of aspect so I'm just writing the seeds and creating duplicates of it (around 3-4) and spread it out.

I think that is not safe at all. You need to make more back up for that because we might not know what happen to your wallet if it will be stolen then your btc will also be stolen as well. We can't assure that our wallets is always safe for it might be also prone to physical hazard like getting wet from rain or getting damage as time pass by with writings that will be removed. Be careful with that and if I were you make sure that you to make a formidable back up like storing seed phrase in a document save to a USB.

There's no 100% perfect method for storing your seed, there will always be some risks. What you should do is store multiple copies of your seed using different secure methods - and ideally all in different places, if you can have more than one place that you trust.


Splitting your seed only truly works if you use special cryptographic secret sharing schemes. Simply splitting it won't work, because having a part of the seed can be enough to bruteforce it.

I know it's kinda risky but at the moment it's the best I can do, writing it down on a paper would have been great, but sometimes unplanned events could just happen and you forget where you kept the paper or maybe a fire incident occurs and the paper will get burnt alongside your properties, that's the more reason why I prefer storing my seeds online, because online its easily accessible and no such thing as fire incedent can make you lose your seed.

I memorize it. A 12-word seed is a lot easier to memorize than most people thought. But I understand that this is definitely not for everyone. another way is writing it on a paper. with a paper, you can just keep it at your house or in your physical wallet. I'm keeping my phrases written on 2 pieces of paper. One of them is among my notes but it's hard to notice. Somebody would have to know what to look for to find it.

While it is perfectly justified to have several offline backups of your seed phrase using means suitable for safe storing, it is not recommended to split your seed phrase into several parts for a plethora of reasons. When you are "breaking" your seed what you are really doing is weakening security of your "password". For example, if one of the parts is stolen - six words of your 12-word seed phrase - you are in trouble since it is quite feasible to bruteforce remaining words. You simply may lose one of the parts and you are in trouble again - in this case you have to bruteforce your own seed words. You may forget the correct sequence of words, confuse one part with another, etc and you are in trouble again. Of course, you can calculate the checksum in order to figure out what sequence is actually correct but you may accidentally expose your seed while doing that.

I like to store my seeds very  protective place.but before the storage of my seeds, l wrote on a paper with two copies. One copy l storage in my bank locker & another l have store in a little bag where l can read time to time.

As most do, I reproduce more than one copy of the seed I own. I have seen quite different ideas above and like some of them very much. Frankly speaking, I don’t believe flash disks are safe enough. That’s why I prefer to write my seed on the pages of my favorite books in my library.

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how accidentally rave it to your friend when you drunk?


If someone knows you posted it here, maybe he will go to your library and searching this book. I don't know why are you proofing your secret in the public area?

you must move it now.

I have my wallet seed written on a paper and I made sure to have some copy of it on my wallet and some on places that I could easily remember since I always kept my valuable things on it.
I don't trust the internet that is why I kept mine offline and the people around me doesn't really care too much nor gives interest in crypto so I think it wouldn't be a problem even they saw it they wouldn't actually care about it and think that it is just a random note or a useless piece of paper.

I store them in my notebook and keep it in a secured box. I may left a message in the box saying “Don’t open this until the day I die”, which I want to inherit it to my current and future family members.

I also had a copy of them stored in a Notepad file on my USB. I really don’t trust Gmail and Google Docs to store all of my passwords, seed phrases, private keys, etc. Not in my mobile phones, I have learned my lesson the hard way after those screenshots were gone because of forced factory reset. However, I do trust Protonmail as it’s more secured.

Same method I used also, that is I wrote it on a piece of paper and well laminated and kept in my cupboard having shown it to my wife, i.e manual things rather than digital I don't trust internet nowadays, hackers are getting more sophisticated and improving on hacking accounts on daily basis, its no longer news of hackers hacking reputable exchanges, in fact I don't trust 2FA any longer a simcard can hacked and cloned to bypass the owner, nothing is impossible in this era of Jet age.

Do you think guessing the remaining letter is so easy?
How do they know which are the characters to restore the Bitcoin wallet?
This hypothesis is very unlikely and I don't mind it.
I mentioned sending these secret characters only to a few close friends.

You can also use a password manager for storing your passwords and even keys under some unique usernames that only you can understand when you open, it is a hassle free method and you would only have to remember a single password for that password manager which I think would be an easy process to follow rather than following these methods which I think is pretty risky if your drive falls into wrong or malicious hands.

There are many ways to save the seed, all I do is write it on a piece of paper and for backup I save my seed in an image and encrypt it then I save it on google drive, smartphone and on pc
I think that describing it in an image is the best and safest way

it sounds cool, I need to google it. I don't know what is steganography.  ;D
could you please share with us how to do it?
is it something like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUNUjqSXWj0

Isn't that what i said with like using lastpass or keepass?  But here you are changing the word a bit?


Example imagine one of your words is your seed is doggy... im not sure if that is even a word or not.


But imagine you type it enhhz... like imagine the word you see... you go one letter ahead of each letter... thoughts on that?  But of course you can easily make a mistake like this.  Then when you see ephhz, you go back one letter each... but thats bound to make a mistake right?


Someone mentioned about writing it in a book.  That does seem like good idea?  Imagine a big book and you just gotta remember what page or pages you wrote it?  Then you go back to the book?


Still.  what about the method i originally mentioned?  Type it in keepass... then store it in google drive or dropbox.  So only way someone can access it would be hack your email... but they need your master password for keepass?  Or if you want to get more extreme, encrypt keepass file itself where you need to enter a password before... u even get a chance to enter a master password for keepass?  Surely that would be the safest way to store it digitally? 


If you put it in a usb drive, and encrypt it... sure thats good.  But what program you use to encrypt your usb drive?  So if you encrypt your usb drive, only if someone knows the password, then can open it up right?  But its like well you still have to be concern of fire or floods.  The method i describe, well you don't have to be concerned about fire or floods.  Thoughts on the method i suggested?

sounds high risk but I save my seed in Gmail...
I make a new notepad then send the seed to my Gmail storage, until now it's still safe I dare to do this because I already feel the security level of Gmail is very high as long as we are able to maintain the Gmail account and don't use that Gmail carelessly.

I've got my main private key encrypted and split across three metal wallets. Only I know the cipher and the order to unlock it.

I have three cryptosteels that I got free from BRD wallet, and I use them to store my private key.

Realistically it's probably a bit overkill, but I got them for free and couldn't resell them (I tried) so I just kept them.

I think you might be served well by just buying a laser etched piece of card from one the myriad places that do laser etching. You could encrypt it first and store the cipher on the card too.

^ No, please don't. Emails through online are easy to compromise, they are not good or don't have the capability to keep any valuable information. Once the hacker can access your phone and easily open any of your files that have your seed stored, that is very risky. Encrypt on metal is the appropriate way of having security what even the national disaster come. You can find any way of transferring there. However, extra vigilant will keep you put in a good condition.

Its better to be overkill rather than losing all of your coins just because you do store it on a way which is very less secure compared into this metal wallets.

I might consider on transferring my keys later on even though im not holding that much but this is way much more better than storing up your coins
into your email or cloud storage which do still have the tendency to be hacked or bypassed.

For now ive been storing my seeds on several flashdrives which i do kept on different parts of the house , its been divided on 3.

I'm sure everyone has a dedicated place to store seeds to be safe, I also recommend storing seeds in multiple places.
So that if something happens to one of the seed stores, there is another backup. So we can still access our wallets.
I like the traditional way of storing seeds, usually writing the seeds on paper. Then I made 2-3 pieces, to be safer in
case something bad happens.

You need to understand that, the lastpass or keepass are operate by third parties and saving of private keys or seeds in an email is the most vulnerable part. However, I will advise you to know off hand the last 5 words in your seed while you save the rest on flash, papper and bank vault. But for total secure of your seed or private youll need to order for a Quadrat metal (https://q-reg.de/) bitcoin seed/private keys storage which has proven grade A through all series (fire etc) of test.

I just want to create an example of what is steganography and how is works for storing your seed (IMO).

What you need is File image and seed text.

1. example image below are on folder had picture.jpg and seed.txt

https://i.postimg.cc/Wpf2yqFM/1.jpg


2. then archiving both to archived.zip

https://i.postimg.cc/kgWqDjjc/2.jpg


3. let's go to command prompt (cmd), cd folder and write


https://i.postimg.cc/PrptnfY0/33.jpg


4. as you can see new file name "secret" .jpg where that file had 2 hidden file picture and seed

https://i.postimg.cc/RVkvSrTh/3.jpg

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I am using one of my USB stick as a place to store the wallet seeds and it is enough for me because I am not having in millions in my wallet but for someone who is having huge value portfolio need to find better kind of security for their seeds like biometric access or something like that.

Carve it into a rock out in the bush, just don't forget the co-ordinates.

Joking. Seedplate or Cryptosteel work well

What's the difference of hacking and fire incident? Both are almost the same in terms of tragedy they may often happen but it might happen to you one day. Don't get too comfortable of trusting the internet when it comes to your funds, a lot of people will be after you if they know you have a bunch of money. That's why anonymity and security are the best way to deal with the bad guys. You may be carelessly putting it on the internet but one day you might need to change your style of handling security.

Honestly, I have saved the seeds of my wallet, i.e. private keys, in my Facebook Messenger.  And I saved some wallet seeds in the telegram.  And as a backup, I have written all my seeds in my diary so that if there is any problem online, my seeds are fine offline.

Wallet seeds are real problem now for mostly digital wallets. Note that their is no 100% safest place to secure seeds online. Once a time it was just a normal registration forms & if we forgot password it was easy to recover. But wallet seeds cannot be recoverable.
I generally take screenshots & save in my phone & save in Google drive. And I also use gmail draft as a second choice.

Nobody knows that I am a member of this forum. I rely on my account being completely anonymous but thank you for your warning. I have changed where I keep my seeds, however will no longer share where they exactly are. :-[

The idea is pretty interesting as I am also thinking on how I can safeguard my seed because if I am going to store it online, I am pretty sure that it is very vulnerable to the hackers.

Putting a password is a good idea but what I like is to use both in order to get a stronger security like I will divide the seed in three parts and all the parts have it's own password also.  I will try this one as right now I am only storing my seed in a sheet of paper but I am worried if in case it will be lost.

I saw this for the first time and I believe this is more unique than the way I save it on Google Drive where the file contains the private key, I compress it into a zip then I add a file size of 100 MB to disguise that this is a private key that usually small size.

besides on google drive, I also save it on a special flash drive that I save in the place most humans pass through, but it doesn't occur to me to save something important in that place. so they missed the things I couldn't possibly miss

Hackers and criminally minded folks are seriously messing with our lives and making the Internet look scary a place. I have read countless agony stories of hodlers who couldn't trace back the passwords/private keys to their wallets after they wrote them out and tucked safely somewhere. They soon forgot where they hid them. It's not even enough hiding these stuff if after several years we then discover we actually succeeded in hiding them from ourselves, and not the public. It's a paradox, actually. For me, I try to make it very simple. I write out my passwords (and not the PKey) on a booklet. Then tie my wallet to a 2FA and my email. So, if a hacker gets access to one they won't get access to either of my 2FA or email.

I find it safest to write down my private keys or passwords and I've been doing this since the beginning of my online entry. Although I should have kept a copy somewhere else, I haven't done it yet. From everyone's opinion here I understand that I have to make a copy now. I have to laminate this copy and leave it somewhere else.

I store mine in a fireproof safe that's bolted to the floor. Basically there's no way it can be damaged or stolen, unless someone has the time to get an angle grinder and just cut the thing in half. Me and my both neighbors from each side have cameras facing the road, so there's no way someone could just walk in and steal everything.
In most neighbourhoods a camera and a dog is enough to keep burglars away, unless you have a very flashy house with expensive cars on the driveway.

Exactly this is one of the best idea to keep the seed in secured. I did follow the same idea and i never face any trouble still and hope my account will be secured for all the time.

Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are very valuable asset and that is why asset security need to be considered especially when it comes to private key and seed. Although I have never kept many of my crypto asset in the wallet, but as long as I actively use the wallet, security is mandatory. So far I have taken several steps to secure the private key and seed of a wallet address that I own and that on USB as well as on a piece of paper. I know these two step are still risky, but I can still accept the risk because the amount of asset I have is not too much.

I am sure that anyone with a lot of asset in the wallet is sure to take very strong precaution to keep the asset safe and reasonable. But for those who don't have many asset, I think super strong security doesn't need to be urgent.

I stored all my seed in hardware wallet which is very secure for me. I started using hardware wallet since i was told that scammer can scam people seed in any how wallet, but it hard for them to have access to hardware wallet which is good for long term saving and all your seed is safe if only you would not exposed you private details to public.
In hardware you are in control of how your assets are stored and where they are kept. Also good for holding a huge amount of seeds.

It is very hard. Many of us have various internet account with different types of passwords. It is always complicated sometime when you need to keep cracking your head to provide a valid password when you have used various passwords for different accounts. Just like hackers have successfully hacked email accounts (yahoo) in the past, nobody knows what could happen to gmail tomorrow. Meaning no where is 100% save but i prefer to print my seeds and store it offline just the way I store my other documents.

Not the safest Idea but I store my seed on the cloud but not just as simply. I always place two random words at fixed word count. I just remember the two counts, never the words and omit those two words while recovering my wallet. There are risks involved but this way, it's much difficult for anyone to crack open my address even though they find some or most of the info.
I have done similar things with private keys. Just two random characters would make it amazingly hard to crack even if they found the keys. For a large amount, I too would recommend a hardware wallet as it provides an extra level of security.

I haven't actually been able to save personal keys like you in Facebook Messenger or Telegram yet. I saved my seeds in a word file on the computer and saved it with a password. I also printed a copy of it on paper and locked it in a vault at the office and at home and kept the seeds in a pen drive for personal use. I understand from everyone's opinion that I have to take more precautionary measures to save the seeds.

this is what I did too since it is less technical and the easiest to do among the other options and to be honest in my opinion it is much safer than the other ones(of crouse you still have to take precautions). I also have several copies of my seed in case of it being ruined/lost and will create another copy to replace the ruined copy.

It's funny to see most of the people here are disclosing their secrets of the location of their seed phrase.
Wouldn't it be easier for a hacker to find a victim if they disclose their secrets publicly ?
I honestly thought while opening the thread that only a few will disclose their secrets while the rest would advice not to make such posts but things are opposite here.
Even I think that just posting it here doesn't mean that the hacker would steal my seed phrase but why should we take the risk when we don't have to.

I am somehow forgetful of my password so when it comes to my wallet pass, I wrote it down in a paper that looks like a scratch paper then just snip it to a book (as a bookmark) that is always beside my computer. No one really goes into my room and I'm the only who knows where that password is. And I just think that when you put your password in a place that isn't really safe, it would not look like a password at all. Kind of risky but it helps me remember it everytime.

Maybe I'm kind of lazy too to create more safety in my wallet but I think I will be more careful if I already stacked a lot of btc in my wallet in the future.

I'm not too comfortable with saving it on facebook tho,but like you said hackers normally target the people who they feel they can rip a good amount of crypto off them not someone like me, I don't have much crypto in my wallet that why I'm saving my wallet seeds on facebook, maybe some day when I start holding large amount of cryptos, I will definitely upgrade my security,but for now I prefer the seeds to be on my facebook second account.

This is why we do have many different options for storing our wallet seeds. It will matter on the people on what kind of storing method he will be comfortable with. Every method of storing seed has an identified risk, It will just matter how we will manage to keep it safe from the possible tragedy that can happen. There are many places in the world that can make storing it physically riskier than storing it on the web. Remember that there are still countries that are suffering from war and unexpected evacuation for them is normal. This isn't an issue at all, Cryptocurrency users like us have different lives but all it matters to us all is the safeness of our assets.

What do you mean by pendrive?


Why print out the seed?  Why not write it three times instread?

As a newbie when I created my first bitcoin wallet a few years ago, I remember that I just did a simple copy-paste to a text file and just a few months after that I lost all my coins after badsector on hdd. Anyone got his own method to save his keys by if you ask me the best way is to print the seed on a paper and put it somewhere safe that's what I do and this method saved my funds many times.

By cloud you mean like gmail, yahoo mail or dropbox etc right?  So you telling me if someone got into your email or cloud account, they could see the seed?  Its just they aren't sure which one it is because you put random words in it?


Yea hardware wallet is what everyone recommends.. but my main question is storing the actual seed words.  That is the bigger issue here.


Because i feel like unless you live in those luxury high rise condos with security and live all the way in the higher floors, there is always risk to burglary and theft. 

I write all my seeds in my notebook physically, not in mobile notpad or in laptop.I think this is safe way for safety of assets.

You made different case scenarios which are all correct when looking at it from the humans point of view we are and as such, several things can happen which can threaten the safety of the seed or those things we fear might happen, might still not happen; to crown it all, we do not even control our lives neither do we know what will happen in the next few hours and so on. So I think Instead of fearing the unknown, why not we just do our best and leave the rest.
Nevertheless, I still think writing the seed on a notebook is the best idea. It can be a notebook, it can be a specific book but in this case using two books while dividing the seeds between them, then keeping each book in different locations. The location might be within your house where no one can locate it or maybe  between your house and your parents house; anyhow you think it will be done to protect it.
Also, you made mention of keeping in Gmail, when I think that can still work but however you should be careful of not using that particular email address for any registration whatsoever, it should be for the sole purpose of storing Important information. If you are the only person who knows about the email, hardly can anyone hack it.
As for me, I write mine in two books, then kept them in different locations. Even the mobile wallet app in my phone is locked.
No one can be perfect, we just have to do the best we can.

Yes, the safe place is one thing that we must think about before we can save the wallet and the seed.
But we need to have a backup for that to prevent if something happens with the other places.
Making a couple of back-ups will be necessary, especially if we have many coins inside the wallet, so we can restore it to other devices if that wallet can not be accessed.
I don't want to tell where I store my seed because that is my secret and only me knowing that place. If I tell where I store my seed, that will not be a secret anymore ;)

To be honest, I saved my seeds in my Google drive or Google sheet all my seeds are place in there and it is easy to use and for me it is the safest place to store my seeds.

his means USB Disk or flash disk

I ever print out the seed in a barcode format.

I know some specific for that, like boxcryptor (https://www.boxcryptor.com/en/) where can encrypt your file in the cloud.

make it hard to understand, write only 4 letter front

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1. You can store seed on blockchain > How to save seed phrase in the Bitcoin blockchain (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5226033.0)

2. write seed on > back up your Recovery seeds using Stonebook (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5256408.0)

3. write seed to be invisible on paper using Lemon Juice > https://www.sciencekids.co.nz/experiments/invisibleink.html

4. Keep it on table leg

5. By modified household equipment.


etc..

What if he encrypt the document?  Wouldn't that make it safe since you hack his gmail, you need axcrypt password?

Every layer of security that you add on top will make it harder for someone to crack.

Like you have a file with a random name, with a text inside and one of the lines is your seed. That's already a layer of security, no matter where you store the file. If you put that file into a password protected zip file that's another layer. Put that in a password protected cloud storage or email account that's another layer. Having 2fa on that account is another. You can also encrypt the file and so on.

There can be better or worse layers. Storing something online is always more accessible from anywhere in the world for you, but also more vulnerable.

If that's convenient for you then its good, but also remember to do a photocopy of that page where your seeds are written and keep it some where else apart from your house, just incase a fire incident occur you might lose the notepad, but atleast you will a have back up so no need to worry, although theres no 100% proven method on how to keep our seeds, because everywhere we keep it is at our own risk, even if you save it in the google drive, the gmail might get hacked someday and someone will have access to your seed, so we should just try out best to keep them safe.

I've seen a lot of creative ideas above, but I think most of them are unnecessary. I wrote my seed on paper and tried to memorize it and then burned the paper. Actually, it is really easy, only has 24 words. If you read only for one hour, you can memorize it very easily.

Memorizing that entire seed?  You got to be kidding me.  How can anyone well most ppl remember that long of a seed?  I could imagine someone remember a 12word seed... but anymore than that is way too much..

Well what about putting the seed in keepass then?  So someone hack your gmail, they still need your keepass master password? 

Of course you can memorize it but after years can you really remember those words? Its not reliable even compared to writing on a paper and store in a plastic container.I don't recommend this advice to anyone to be honest because you are risking yourself to lose the funds you earned for the entire life time.

It's not easy to memorize the seed specially if you have more than one wallet seed phrase. And also you can't recall it after a couple of months or years. I also wrote it on a paper and keep it in a safe and secured place but I always have a duplicate just in case I lose the other copy.

you can easily remember it in just one hour, but you can forget it instantly when you need it. mark my words.  ;D
it just likes how we took a school exam in the past.

personally, I stored my seed in a notebook. that notebook contains many seeds from different crypto wallets.
I know it's risky, but that's why I am here. I need more insight from other members about the safe and creative way to store the seed.

Much better doing that, make sure to store it where the paper is fully secured old fashioned ways but still very effective in terms of keeping your seed.

It's very difficult to memorize it as times may affects your memory chance that there are more important things that will prevent you to recall it from your memories.

Always be in the safe side make not only one copy but make it 2 or more making sure that
you have backups incase some unpredicted happens.

seed stored on head I'm not sure it's better to keep seeds on paper or on your Android more convincing. the number of numbers that exceeds ten especially random numbers are very difficult to remember,

I wrote it on the wall of my bedroom, I scrambled it so that it was not easily accessed by others. Every day I see that writing when I want to sleep. The longer I remember it the easier it becomes.
But I did not erase the writing so that the day my memory gets stronger, the worst possibility is that if a natural disaster occurs that causes my house to be destroyed, I must remember it.

Lol it looks you are extremely paranoid to laminate and bury it underground. But hey who knows maybe you have a really lot of money invested in it. Never hurts to be extra safe though.

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At the moment I don't store any of them. I would probably use a safe to do so or have them encrypted on a computer if I stored them.

To those of you that talk about a safe... i mean unless the safe is completely hidden somewhere, wouldn't that be a bad place to put it?  I mean most of you who do have safes... i assume its attached to the wall or floor somewhere?  And thus not like in the open right unattached?


Other issue is if a thief is there, isn't it obvious a safe is the number one place they go and check?  Thus in a way, its like writing the seed or putting it in a drawer or notebook actually makes it safer?  Of course doesn't protect against natural disaster.

safes are very safe, the proof is that banks store fiat in safes, thieves can't open the vault, let alone impossible to take it, put it in a notebook and put it in a drawer is too easy or unnecessary material can be put in a drawer.

As long as you can keep your wallet seed safe, you can store it anywhere without having to worry about losing it. I myself keep my wallet seed in three different places to be safe. But what matter most to me is that security is not the place to be and I don't have to buy a vault to store seed for a wallet that only contain a few dollar. Very wasteful for me.

Who told you that Thieves can't open Vaults?we are in 20th century now mate seems like you are still in 15th century living  >:(

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Talking about safeties of my Seed?i secretly put it in a urn in which i will not label here for my own safe,this may sounds disrespect but thats how i keep my asset safer,in places where no one will think that something is hidden.

majority answer is safe place that robber or thieves will surely wanted to look at and take from you because surely there are very important that lies on those.

Try actually doing it, as it's a lot less harder than people actually thought. The memorizing and remembering part isn't the hard part though, the problem comes when something happens to you physically or mentally(like some sort of accident) that could cause the words to somewhat get wiped from your head. Totally not worth risking in my opinion.

Make a mnemonic word seed and then store 1/2 or 1/3 of the 12 word or 24 word phrase in different locations. Most thieves wouldn't even bother with 4 or 6 random words. Those who obtain said words would need to know the location of other seed sites. If you spread them out online and in real world environments it would become a daunting task for most thieves. Storing them around the world also allows for redundancy in case one site burns down.

No one can remember a seed and if you have more than one wallet, its just impossible  :P



I usually store my seed in two different places and have split them in half. On one paper i write half the seed and in another paper i write other half of the seed. Also i do not write the seed in sequential order so even if anyone can get hold of my both papers, it will still not be a piece of cake for him to decode my seed.

I stored my see on a piece of paper and it is kept inside of my house, I have two copies of it, the one is in my wallet and the other one is in our house, I am using a mnemonics for my seed in my wallet, that mnemonics is just invented by me so if ever that my wallet has stolen and they see the see it, they still cannot figure it out. We should always have multiple backs up for our seed to make it more secured because many things might happen that may lose our seed, you won't suffer it so hard when you have back up.

I am more comfortable storing my seed on my own compared to storing online, everything is possible to happen online because of the great knowledge of hackers.

You're right - the best way to store mnemonics is to write it on a piece of paper...
I can also recommend you to write words in .txt and store them on multiple flash drives...

This would be so troublesome to store around the world. First you'd have to own secure locations in different countries which is already an enormous problem for most people. For instance, I  don't know anyone outside the and don't own any properties EU. Even relatively rich people don't own properties on different continents. Imagine that you're out of money and need to move your coins and you have to spend a couple days travelling to the locations of all your phrases. This is an example of how you can go too far with security. If you're afraid  of a fire, just use a metal plate or a fireproof safe.

Question that I try to revisit every now and then myself... I can't really see any as perfect because I am the point of failure for my seeds. Great because it's all mine now but I have been in serious discussions now with next of kin trying to find a way that works.

Memorising one portion with a mnemonic song and rhyme. Physical copy hidden amongst a set of other phrases. One set in my pw mgmt vault. It's not all perfect. But it will have to do for now.

That's actually a bad idea.

If you want to spread the mnemonic, use some secret sharing scheme.
These allow you to create redundant backups of data/information which does not leak any information about the actual data if less than the required amount of shares (N-1) are obtained.

A 5 out of 6 scheme would then leak no information about the mnemonic. If you compare it to your approach, 5 from 6 shares would be enough to bruteforce the remaining words.

wherever we store the most important seeds do not be easily accessible by other people to keep it safe. I save it in a flash disk, which is allowed only myself to use the flash, besides that I also save it on Google Drive because only I know the password so I think it's quite safe.

I think the best thing to store your seed is on the tangible things like in notebooks or any kind of thing you can write on it because today there are no safe on the internet all of them can easily access your information and even your computer so if you want to keep it safe its better if you do this.

Also most of the time the cryptocurrency wallet we are using is giving a note regarding the storing of your seed phrase.

AFAIK when you are trying to create a default wallet on your electrum with the use of their app or .exe they give you a note to store your seed not through online.

It is very important to store our seed in safe place if we want safety of our valuable asset. Generally I write down my seed on paper and lock it on my locker.

Obviously the intercontinental approach is for those who have the assets to actually "flee" their current country. There's no point of doing such theatrics for $128 USD worth of crypto. I was referring to a scaled approach. If you have a small nestegg, save a fourth of the seed with a couple of friends and then the rest with family members. They don't need to be spread any further than across town. There are even x of n wallets that do this for you.

The level of paranoia should be commensurate with the risk one is faced with and the value of possible loss. Some people need armored cars and bodyguards. Some people just need to make sure they lock their doors and windows at night.

There were a couple of good seed wallets that used x of n for recovery like Armory which I used in the past. Unfortunately it looks like that wallet is no longer maintained. It seems you're more versed with current wallets - do you know of any wallet that does this well?

If somebody acquires 5/6ths of my mneumonic that means they're probably torturing me inside some basement in a foreign country at which point I don't really care about money. For somebody living in a town of 100 people perhaps this is a bad idea, but for myself living in Southern California it works well.

as I know Trezor model T available for Shamir secret sharing scheme https://wiki.trezor.io/Shamir_Backup

you also can check and test using a tool like https://iancoleman.io/shamir/

I agree about the level of paranoia! :D
I think it's enough to behave carefully on the Internet, check the authenticity of sites and don't download unknown software! And then nothing bad will happen with your funds!

Armory is still maintained and actively being developed.

Unfortunately i am not aware of a good wallet which does offer that option.

But there are other tools available to actually split the mnemonic code like that. Especially Shamir's secret sharing scheme is pretty popular.
You basically just need to enter the secret you want to split (in this case the mnemonic code) -> and you get M shares where N out of M are required to gain access to the mnemonic code.

Have never thought of that, but I think it's a really nice idea,much better than writing it down LOL  :D, anyway I will try to do just that,although I don't think my Gmail can get hijacked either, if you have noticed the security system on Gmail has been upgraded, each time you try to log into your email in any new device, you will need either the previous device which the Gmail account was already logged in or a code will be sent to you in form of text that's if your phone number is linked to the Gmail account,without those two, there's no way anyone can be able to hijack your Gmail account.

there is a way for each of them to save their seeds, some are stored on paper and some are stored on a flash disk, it is very brilliant I agree because on paper and flash disk the same is off line and cannot be reached by others.

I put mine on word file then zip it (password protected) then create copies on the device I use. If it's on pc I make it hidden so it can't be found easily. I also have a copy on my flash drive as well.

I also write down my seed on a piece of paper and kept it in a cabinet. Keeping your seed on an electronic mail may not be a good idea as well as keeping it in a flash drive or on personal computers because both are prone to having virus and pc's can be hacked or attacked by some malwares, we will never know when but I will prefer writing it on a piece of paper or memorizing it and leave clues that only I, can understand it.

Keeping it a file that is a password-protected is still not recommended. Also saving your seed on Google Drive is not safe because Google have access to it.

I print my Seed or keys and I keep these papers in a safe place. Even i make a few copies and save them in a few places. I give one copy to my most trusted person.

I give one copy to my most trusted person.

This is the mistake you had done yet you know that you are saving up some money on here via crypto but i dont really like the idea on sharing it up or letting other people do give some copy of your keys
and just because he's a trusted person doesnt mean that he wont make any intention on getting those coin.Think again because worst case scenario would happen into that certain person you do trust.
Storing up seed on paper on several copies is great but the method on storing them isnt really that recommendable.If i were you then its better to go for full hardware.

Yes you are right. But I didn't let anyone do anything bad to me. He has no idea about crypto or crypto asset. It is impossible to say when someone's danger comes to me. That's why I keep these to him in my absence, so that he can show these to someone else who understand it and my saved money can be given to my family. God bless us all always.

each has their own way of storing seeds. safer on paper and keep it out of reach of others such as a safe. Don't save seeds on Android, they can be hacked by others, be extra careful about storing seeds because they are a valuable asset.

Seeds are safe when you keep them offline that's why I prefer storing mine in papers and lock them away until I need them, storing on mobile phones and windows PC is very dangerous. I am not storing them on a PC which I use to access the wallets when I need to access the wallet I just copy them directly to the access area.

Okay so ppl seem to all say don't store it online.


But the method i suggested earlier in the thread


Type seed in password manager like keepass/lastpass.


Upload it to the cloud whether dropbox/gmail.




So the hacker would need


Your dropbox/gmail password


Your master password for keepass/lastpass



So that is two barriers they need... the first is obviously much easier since you hear about emails getting hacked.


So wouldn't this be good enough?




Now imagine a third barrier... use a program like axcrypt which I use to encrypt documents.  Now imagine you encrypt keepass with axcrypt?


Now the hacker would need


dropbox/gmail password

master password for keepass/lastpass

password for axcrypt



Now my issue with three barriers would be well what if you forget your password for axcrypt.  Mine is a long number/letter that was generated from a password manager. 



But the one issue with this would be if you get malware/keylogger on your laptop... then all these two or three barriers would be completely useless then right?  Since if you get that, then the hacker will see your key strokes and everything when you log into dropbox/gmail and keepass/lastpass/axcrypt right?


So this method would work the two or three barrier method with uploading to the cloud, but you need to make sure one hundred percent your laptop doesn't get malware/keylogger right?

https://www.investopedia.com/news/how-winklevoss-twins-store-their-crypto-fortune/


So the winkelvoss store them throughout safety deposit boxes throughout the US.  So in that article, its a paper wallet in each one?  It says a printout of their private keys ... so does that mean like them writing the seed in paper or like a paper seed?


So wouldn't this be very safe?  Thus imagine they split the seed into two with two banks?  But of course they make a copy of each.  So wouldn't that mean like it take four banks for one seed?  Thus imagine they have ten wallets, they they get forty safe deposit boxes throughout the US?


I thought one idea was to have two safety deposit boxes.. where you split it into two pieces of paper.  Would you recommend this?

I store it on a piece of paper in my fav book in my flat. Its safe for me

I believe that we should always be very keen in choosing the right place for our seed phrase, may it be in the same secured digital places or a personal hard copy depending on what we think that its really protected from all the hackers and negative events that might occur uncertainly. But as for me, I preferred to write it down in a notebook including the lists of all the exchanges of my stored tokens. And I believe its really safe.

It depends on the situation I once stored my wallet seed on my phone and my laptop because I couldn't find any paper or pen to write it down it was the first time that I used a wallet that let me keep my seed or passphrase.
But now whenever I got to asked to write down those important words I would make sure to save it on paper and keep it on my wallet or drawer.

People who say write it in notebook, do you put it in open?  Drawer?


Now do have other things written in the notebook as well?  That to me is very important because if you only write it in notebook and nothing else, don't you agree that isn't safe if someone has access to it?



Also if its on paper and in your house?  Which would you say is safer? 





Writing it in those cards ledger gives you and you hide it somewhere?


Or


Just write it down in a notebook?



Because it seems like notebook is less suspicious don't you think?

I just right down and store it in a paper because I think it's much safer than storing it online but I keep it very well so I will not lose it. But I also have screenshot of all my wallet and private key so that I still have a back up if ever my paper wallet will lose or tear.

I wrote my Seed in my Desktop notes then I also take a screenshot on it before saving then I also wrote it in a small notebook so that I have a lot of copy of my seed and private key.

I keep some of my seed and paswords on the txt file.

Installing a wallet particularly on mobile phones doesn't allow us to take a screenshot and what I do is just write them down on a txt file and save these txt files on my USB drive that I kept in a safe place. But then I also keep the txt file on my desktop for easier access. Its safer when you have a redundant saved copy somewhere hidden only you knew.

TBH, I have been careless with my seed (regarding where I store it), but how I store it is Unique!. A lot of people say it's wiser to store it offline, while others say the reverse. The truth is, store it where you know that no one can get it. Mine is written in a mixed-up way and then encrypted into a barcode. So, even though someone finds the barcode (which I doubt), they may never understand what it is. Maybe you can just research more about making ciphers.

Your practice can be detrimental, if there is a compromise in your device along the line. We have heard thousands of investors complaining about their stolen funds and most are traced down to how they kept their seeds. Basically, your seeds shouldn't be store in your device except that device doesn't have connection to the internet. I will always recommend that, write your seeds phrase in your paper or diaries which will be a better option to store your coins.

Yours is just a few a possibilities, but the possibility is endless, I prefer doing it in two to three ways, the first one is through a bank vault, there are banks that offer this kind of service to their client at a discounted yearly subscription, this is what John Wick on the part of the movie, the second is burying the vault where the private seed is, to a secret floor of your house, it's safe from flood and fire and it's an old tradition of keeping your treasure.

To be sure I will avoid storing seeds on personal computers and e-mail, because both places are easily accessible to hackers.
I prefer the traditional way by writing the seeds on a piece of paper and storing them in a safe place. As was done by Winklevoss
twins which keeps the seeds in deposit boxes in the bank, it is a safe way so that they cannot be stolen. And don't keep the seeds
in one place, we have to keep the seeds in 2-3 places just in case.

Well you split your seed into two pieces right?  So you would put it in four different banks since it would then have two copies each right?


If you put it in a vault to a secret floor in your house, are you putting your entire seed there?  Or just half of it?  Also if someone isn't in your house, they can't suddenly get down there right?  Like for some reason, im imagining some ppl next to you or tunnel people going underground and finding it... that is still possible right? 

Are you sure safe deposit boxes can't be stolen?  I heard cases of this.  But if you have the seed in multiple banks... that is much safer.  But then again, imagine one of your seeds was in a bank... and the other seed is in another bank... but say its only a short few minute walk to the other one.  Surely you wouldn't want that right and want them in farther locations?


So wouldn't you need four bank safety boxes then for one seed?  Thus split it into two... and two copies? 


That would mean like if someone wants to have two seeds... imagine two nano ledger s or trezor... wouldn't they need to have 8 safety deposit boxes to do this?  I mean if you think about the winklevoss's, i gotta assume they probably have probably at least 20 safety deposit boxes throughout the US right?  That way its 2 copies each and 2 different locations... so that would be like having 5 different seeds?

I store mine in my laptop. I put it inside a folder in which it's not obvious that I would store such thing in there. I made it invisible by simply selecting it and click "hide" feature in Windows 10. Having so much folders in my laptop drivers, I'm sure no one would see it and I barely lend my laptop to someone I don't know.

I also put it in excel and put it in my cellphone's hidden cabinet, which is secured by my toe finger print and a combination of 6 numbers.

EDIT: I told my mom where I hide it and how to use it, just in case I die. For furthermore questions, I told her that he could my friends about it to help her.

I also do the same thing with you to save a laptop with a folder that includes many and is very secretive, sometimes we ourselves also forget. but I myself experienced it not wearing when my mew could be detected by others, and I suspect that someone is taking from a possible mistake I opened something dangerous link. but i immediately updated the mew and installed a new internet virus.

indeed, don't even lend your laptop that you have kept what you need confidential for other people to use and I also do that.


what you do in a very unusual way will certainly make people difficult as long as we don't forget to put it down or forget it.

Just thought about something else.  What about the nano ledger s box?  Because well if someone finds it, and know what it is, they know you have a wallet?



Also so would you all say its better to do the  25th word or not?  Do most here choose this?  Because if you put that word somewhere else in your home... well you could write that word anywhere or put it somewhere else and its hard for anyone to tell thats the word right?

I know many way to securely store seeds and most of those become so hard and not satisfactory for me as i don't want to make things complex.i Simply write my seeds on note paper in laptop, then save it.then make some copies, transfer those to my smartphones, also upload to my google drive, so that i never lost them.note that, i don't use that gmail anywhere but only to keep a copy of my seed.of course hackers can't access my gmail cause they don't know about those but i know if my computer get attacked by virus, then that maybe risky for seed but i like the way best for myself

Personally I do not trust any electronic programs or apps for keeping my data there, especially seeds or keys to wallets. So I do not recommend this to others. Of course the most riable place fo keeping such things is offline not connected with your gadgets place. Because to find the information on any of your gadgets will not be such a big problem for different tech genius.

There's actually a lot of ways for you to save your seed, just make sure that those drivers are only accessible by you only to prevent other people from stealing that important information. I think it is better to use your personal computer since it is only staying in your house, instead of using a phone because you can lose your mobile phone at any time. It is also fine to store that important information on online storage, just make sure it is secure that only you can access that.

So what do you use?paper wallet or Hand written?Nano Ledger is also electronic program though offline,But i can assure you just like many user that you are safe having there your cryptos.

In my opinion, each of us should write down the private keys in our wallet on a piece of paper in the form of coding and keep it in a secret place.  So that no one understands that it is the private key of a wallet.  Because online is never safe.  Any time it could crash, it could be hacked.  So each of us should figure out a way out of the alternative.

I think the best place for storing you phrase is offline. Maybe on your diary but at least 2 - 3 places. But if you will store it in your diary or something similar, then you don't have to make it obvious that it's your phrase. You could spilt the works on different pages so it doesn't make sense to others. For those who's phrase are 12, you could cram it. 12 words isn't much afterall.

the private key / seed is a private thing.
I regularly checked on this thread to get new insight on how people store their private key /seed.
steganography is my favorite, but I haven't tried it yet.

maybe this is optional, but...
wherever you store your private key or seed, make sure to have some guidance for people who you trust the most, to tell them that you own crypto.
you could consider reading the discussion on the thread below.

What happens to my bitcoin if I die today?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5284708.0

I think what you are doing is right but when you are experiencing memory loss it will make it difficult for you, it's better if you can save it on Google Drive, Facebook Chat, Telegram Chat or if you can also combine it by printing out and after that You can layer it with hard mica so that you have the phrase in physical form and only you know how to open it.

Unlike most of the users here, I have stored my seed online. I know that there is always a risk of someone hacking in and stealing the seed, but I believe I have taken all the necessary precautions. Even if there is a chance, it is going to be extremely low (like 0.000001%). I am not very comfortable with writing down the seed on paper and physically storing it. IMO, it carries a greater risk.

Storing important data such as private key and seed in Facebook Chat, Telegram chat or other related social media is discouraged due to their vulnerability to hacking. Storing them online is much riskier than offline. It's also good to secure it by using a flashdisk because in my opinion it is much better.

Use two flashdisk to store them safely and put them in two different place. Instead, you can also increase security by creating folder with security keys.

Loss of memory? That's a quite a rare case. Besides, the places you just mentioned are quite accessible by people. Anyone can open your facebook chat, tg chat, google drive easily.

Is it really work to memorize the seeds? I don't think so. Because it can be forgotten after a few months or years. Normally, you can not be engaged a few weeks or months with trading or you can forget to enter the exchanges. So it is not surprising to forget seeds if you don't note down it. Only memorizing is a risky thing.

I have stored my seeds on the drive, Google notes, offline store in my laptop and mobile and lastly in the paper by writing.

You have a good discussion of all the possibilities that can happen in terms of options for keeping your wallet seed, that's really cool, there are a lot of ways of course, but every method has a loophole somewhere, I believe in fate if you are destined to lose your coins it will be done by stealing your password or Stealing the paper on which the seed was written and all the other possibilities that you mentioned, so I do what I have to do, and in the event that one of these possibilities arises, this is my destiny.
For me I store it on a white paper and I also store it in a file on the computer that is encrypted with a password and contains many normal things that make it difficult to know that this is a seed in a wallet in case the file is stolen and decrypted.

Saving in good drive and chats? Do you think it is safer way to store all your assets in such places?

Google drive or chats are not encrypted even though the company claim it was,.so just prefer offline storage for important data to be stored.

There is both chances to lose your seed once you did not keep in well place. A lot of people write it down their seeds to the paper because it is more safe than the saving it to the online because it is risky to hack. Even offline you save your seeds there is still possibility to lose and many others gone their coins because of keeping in a wrong place but or maybe you make your own code that you are only understand and save it online to become more safe.

Better storing on google drive? Facebook? You will end up losing all of your stored BTC eventually because saving seeds through anh online device or even devices which barely get connected online are risky. Offline is the best way to store it; have it on your private diary or on your private locker.

Initially, I store my wallet's seeds on notepads on my Desktop or phone. But I always remove them as soon as I already wrote it on a piece of paper.
The best place to store these kind of authentications is on things that doesn't use internet which is prone to hackers.

There are so many ways to recover the seed, all i do is write my seed in a notepad and save and encrypt it in an image for backup, then to google drive and computer where I saved it. I think this is the best and safest way.

Of course it's possible. If the average person can memorize their phone number, account number, some can memorize words from a movie, we can definitely memorize the mnemonic phrase. All you need is time. And once you've mastered it, only death can take it away.

Did you just say safest way? I don't see how wise or safe it is that you store your phrase in your google drive account. People's google account can be hacked (if not by a stranger, then by someone around you). You need to store it in a place with a higher security.

Most likely, this person is just trolling you. Storing this phrase on Google drive is as stupid as just posting it on your social networks - those who do not need it will not even understand why it is and what it is, and those who know what it is - it will not be difficult to open your Google drive or any other cloud storage. It is best to store such items on cold wallets and duplicate them several times.

But i don't trust Gmail or Dropbox to have my passwords or any other important documents i have,I don't knw but i felt not safer having them connected in my crypto assets.
I felt like this since there are so many issue of Google selling or letting others have our Data's so i tend not to use them in any crypto or money related things.


I would rather write my seeds in paper and store this in a very secured and secret places 1 place each of them so even if there have made access in one,at least others are protected and will stay safe for a matter of another time.

The recovery phrase isn’t good enough just be in my my gadgets, there are cases when the device used to save the recovery details might be corrupt and all details in it lost so I choose writing it in paper and keeping it in two different locations knowing the odds of of misplacing both documents is very low. It’s always in a laminated document to be on a safer side.

Not just a possible corrupted file, other concern is the security. The thing is, there is a higher possibility that your stored seed will be accessed by other people who aren't authorized to do so. If your device has been hacked, and someone was able to spy and see everything that you are doing through the device.

With utmost carefulness I can suggest you write it on paper and leave out some words that you can remember and then keep the paper save in different places where you are likely to come across it incase you have an emergency. What I do is to remember first two words and last two words and I write the rest on a paper and save it where I can come across it at least once a week.

It is enough to store it in a notepad in a folder on your hard drive, and also have a backup copy on a USB flash drive. More serious and secure storage options only make sense when large amounts of money are stored in the accounts in the form of cryptocurrencies. But in my opinion, it is better not to keep a large amount of funds on accounts, but to withdraw them and use them at your discretion.

I've changed my seeds into a symbolic language, then typed those symbolic writings on a paper and made three photocopies. I always keep one copy with me, one at home and the other one at my office. Multiple copies will protect my seeds from being lost, and symbolic writing will protect me from being hacked.

Is the symbolic language did not make you forget what it is?

Having multiple copies of your seed is must adviseable upon keeping the seed, you should be responsible for keeping them if you threat your bitcoin as a valuable asset for you. But keeping your seed on light materials like a sheet of paper will I guess may also vulnerable to having disasters. I guess using metal where your seed stored is also considered as safe method of keeping your private seed.

When it comes on storing your keys on a sheet of paper then it would really be that risky to do so even having in multiple ones yet as said when it comes to disasters then these
papers will be potentially be lost or damage. Having a metal sheet plate with seeds embosed or been put in it will be much on the safer side.When handling out your keys
then its just normal for us to be responsible on storing it on a safe place which is far away on peoples awareness because tendency on getting stolen would be always there.
Some do even store up on cloud storages which isnt really that suggested or even on a simple USB.There are various of ways.

It can be said that the best place you say is that is not connected to the internet, what you say can be true, but it can also be wrong, this kind of perception.

true, if hackers can take our data because they are negligent and do not guard it properly. mostly because opening a gift link or something that makes you tempted even though it's a scam.

wrong, because we store it on a laptop / desktop it will still be safe if we don't take actions that are detrimental. use the original anti virus, don't open any files that we don't recognize, especially from email. and keep your secret files at yahoo.com email address and link with your iPhone cellphone, when someone will open your email it will not be possible because there must be authorization from your HP Iphone.

It is sufficient to store it in a scratchpad in an envelope on your hard drive, and furthermore, have a reinforcement duplicate on a USB streak drive. More genuine and secure stockpiling choices possibly make sense when a lot of cash is put away in the records as cryptographic forms of money. However, as I would see it, it is better not to keep an enormous number of assets on records, yet to pull out them and use them at your watchfulness.

My process for storing seeds for Trezor and Nano wallets is as follows.

1. write the seed down in sequence on paper
2. transfer to an encrypted USB in various formats, Word & JPEG. But only save directly to the USB and not the computer.
3. USB gets backed up by a second encrypted USB and stored in a fireproof mini safe.
4. The seed then gets stamped into a 5mm thick stainless steel plate and screwed to something secure in my house/garage like rafters in the roof.
5. Initial piece of paper containing seed is then burned

Okay so it seems like the options are



Write seed on paper and leave it in apartment/house.  But do people even break it in pieces? 


Put it in document and encrypt it and store it on usb stick


Put it in document and encrypt it and store it in the cloud


Type it in password manager like lastpass or keepass and put it in the usb stick


Type it in password manager like lastpass or keepass and put it in the cloud


Write it and put it in a safe at home


Put it in multiple safe deposit boxes at different banks


Break the seed into like three parts and leave it with different people




But most still agree don't leave it on the cloud even if you encrypt it and use password manager?  Obviously taking picture of it and putting it on your phone or just writing it on wordpad and emailing it to yourself is bad idea.  But encryption... as long as you dont get malware/keylogger on your laptop... you are safe right?  But of course you can't always be sure your laptop/computer is malware/virus/keylogger free even as careful as one can be right?

I store my seeds of wallets in different Note books.Storing seeds in online places is very risky and unsafe. Few weeks back  My friend got hacked his wallet because he stored seeds in google drive and lost  his all tokens.

Every time when I made wallet with 12 or 24 seed word first time I take a picture from another mobile so can I read it genuinely for long time but putting this type of photo in devices always scared me, so I write it on notebook twice and take a printout of photos I taken. I done this ways to my seeds.

I use notebooks to store seeds because it seems much safer to me there is no fear of being scammed and it is easy to use both online and offline. Hackers often hack with access to everything to keep their wallet's personal information online notebook safe place to keep passwords safe it is difficult to get information if you do not share it with anyone. If you keep it safe on the mobile device the risk will be much higher if the mobile is lost which site to place it will depend on the individual but be careful.

Like you I do the same. I have two different Diaries for this. All seeds, passwords, mnemonic phrase and things like that are all written down and nothing is ever saved online, not Goggle Docs/Drive. I have copies in some external HD too for easy plug in and access when I dont want to type everything in one after the other when in need. 

How about doing a systematic write-up on a local diary let's say a write up with memes sceptical formats. assuming your seed phrase were to be
Then make it look like a meme with some sort of crazy write up. Let's say
This should look crazy and difficult to decode

How did your friend store his seed in google drive?  Was it like he wrote it on wordpad or something and didn't encrypt it and just saved the file there?  Or did he encrypt the document?  Did he use password manager like lastpass/keepass?

Well it would be on piece of paper and my USB flash drive.
Sometimes I also write it down on note pad of my computer but after writing it down to a paper or saving it on my flash drive sometimes I would just delete it.
I like to save it offline I just feel it is much safer than saving it online where hackers could easily infiltrate.

I wrote the seed in a paper, laminated it and put it in a capsule and the capsule has been stored in my fireproof vault. I guess it's one of the better ways to keep your seed. Might not be the safest but it's an ok plan.

By reading the messages here, I can say that people have done some splendid things to save their seeds, learnt some new ways..

We all knew how important our seed was, everything that you invested are inside this iformation, keeping it distance from possible hackers are very important.

By reading here, there are many ideas on how to keep your seed, you can do more combination it addded more securities to your wallet.

Make sure to have backups and someone you really trust in case whatever happened to you, there's someone who can still unlock your wallet.

Well for me back then, I was really like careless so I just typed my seed into a random notepad before I reformatted by hard drive due to some incident that happened with my machine back then.
Good thing that my funds aren't in my Electrum that time because that would like cost me $200 in BTC.

I keep my wallet on hdd, and the seed phrase on a piece of paper in the safe

Depending on the conditions of the environment in which you live and your own wealth. For me, because the environment where I live is not so many people who understand cryptocurrency, I only keep it in one place but I multiply it into several pieces.

I wrote my Seeds in 3 different papers, divided all of them into 3 equal parts and I gave the first part to my Wife, then the second part to my Eldest and the last part is mine..

though my part seats into under my bed and will only be opened when there is an emergency or when i passed away earlier.

so they will combined all the seeds to claim all my holdings for their future.

personally want to reply
it's a secret and don't want to discuss publically. ;)

Basically i have both soft and hard copies on my seeds that serves as a back up copies if anything gone wrong, better to have back up rather than be sorry in the end. To make sure it's safe, I put it in a safe place that only I will know that secret place and I also put copies on my email with secured password of course like zip compression with password as extended protection.

For now I basically do this two ways like what you just explained here,

I have my seed written down in two different paper and have both of them stored in different locations that I still can easily access and I also have then saved in multiple external drive which I keep one with me and the other to a trusted family but I never have to save any online whether in email or cloud.

Do most of you put an extra word to it like the 25th word/passphrase to it?


If so, do you keep it in the same location?


What about your seed in two safe deposit boxes at two different banks... and your passphrase at your apartment/house or even saving it to a password manager?  I mean if you get hacked on password manager, they only have your passphrase.

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Did he encrypt it or were his documents just out in the open?  I heard if you encrypt it in google drive, its generally safe.

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I store the seeds of my wallets in somewhere safe where I only can reach. And I don't put them in a place that I can forget easily. Because we know that there have been many people who have forgotten the private info of their wallets and can't reach due to it.

Wow, this is the first time I have encountered a person who really secured his seed, this would be the best way to protect our seed, buried it underground enclosed in a waterproof capsule is really secured, it won't get burnt and it won't get broken. Maybe soon if I am already holding a huge amount of money I will do the same thing as what have you done, back up is really important as well if there is unexpected things happened.

the best way to store seed are storing in any places, like USB, Harddrive, and write on the paper, and at lease write on 2 / 3 papers, and placed on different place, i think it will save, if you usb broke, you still have hardisk, if usb and hardisk broken, you still have a sheet of paper. so i think its the best way to store seed

So basically this person puts it underground near their house right?  I got to assume their backyard?  If not, that would be bad right since what if people just go start digging the ground etc?


You say it would be fireproof, but what about earthquake or massive flood or something weird like that happening?  Of what if some weird creature is underground and start eating everything?  Im not sure that is possible with my last example but i dont think its impossible?


The backups of seed in flash disks... how does one do this?  Type it in wordpad and encrypt document with program like axcrypt?  Then also encrypt the usb as well with password?  So one needs two passwords to get in?  But if you put it i flash disk... you mean usb flash drive right?  Then don't you need to make sure your computer has zero malware/keylogger?  Since when you put it in flash drive... well you are essentially typing it on a computer though right?  Because people say never enter it in a computer ever... so isn't entering it in a flash drive the same?

Putting it on a flash drive is just the backup and as well as on the HDDs. But you're main copy should be writte on a piece of paper that's quite strong like a cardboard or any strong paper material that's long before it brokens.

Yes, put it only to a place where you mostly remember it. No need to be weird upon hiding it. As long as it's not that visible to your visitors or any people that you don't trust but you always remember that place and you're very much familiar on it, that should be fine.

what is told in this forum is all confidential but not a secret because people do not know who the account owner is so please give your suggestions here we are only discussing.

So far, If he doesn't tell anyone, I assume that should be safe. but your analysis looks like a detective (their backyard). On my analysis, it should be the place under the floor tiles?

You just say sometimes for the weakness of methodes, it's good to add more security like capsule below,

I do have mine written on a piece of paper and I have it fitted on my wallet that is on my clothing drawer, that leather wallet isn't used outside of my house so it is pretty safe in that place and I don't think that someone who doesn't know a thing about those seed is probably going to throw it away thinking that I am weird for storing a strange paper with gibberish phrases.

For someone who doesn't know anything about crypto or don't have any idea about this industry, sure deal that they won't get any interest about that even they've seen it inside your safe wallet.

The fact that they don't know what it is and why you need to keep it there, some questions though will linger in their minds if what the importance of those notes.

A combo of letters and numbers and being save inside your safe personal wallet, safe as long as it's away from someone who have
knowledge about this field.

As I always try to write down on my diary and already save into my drive . This is help to get my seed quickly. I also save on my sheet on laptop. So I use several ways to save the seeds so that I could find it at any time

I find you to be very careful how you store your seeds. Especially storing too digital backups. It is much safer and easier to check than it is to write down paper or bury it underground, as many people do. It avoids the destruction of time and other objective factors.

As I always try to write down on my diary and already save into my drive . This is help to get my seed quickly. I also save on my sheet on laptop. So I use several ways to save the seeds so that I could find it at any time

There are several places that I use to store this valuable treasure, because it relates to digital assets that I have on the Internet and also includes cryptocurrency in it.
1. Letter of inheritance
I recorded them in a note containing my inheritance and were only opened when I died. I wrote my surname on the cover so everyone would know that it is an asset that belongs to my family.
On the first page I wrote to keep some contents secret from public consumption, with the aim that some sensitive data such as seed keys are not too exposed to extreme.
2. Cloud
This is stupid stuff that you should avoid, but you still need this way to safeguard your important data in case something terrible happens to your place of residence.
For now I entrust cloud services to Apple and Google, where I store the data with an additional layer of passwords. In order to strengthen the security of my seed key from public reach.

I have bought a small safe with code lock and I have written down my seeds in a normal A4 letter.I need them only when I am home as I usually don't keep mobile wallets with me.I think this is the safest way and I don't think keeping it in Google Drive or in your computer (unless a Linux machine which you use only for storing seeds) is a good idea. 

I wrote it in my diary. I live alone so i know no one will see it and i won't lose it.

Best places to store seeds are balls or garden beds  ;)

It's all in my head. Just kidiing. I wrote it on paper that i holding in my wallet and it's always with me. If it'll fade out i'll make a new one and shred the old.

I just wrote it in my notebook. I don't store my private key or seed on laptop or computer because I'm afraid if my pc is broken or stolen by someone else. Written in a book note is a safer method for me to keep my seeds and private key.