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It is very hard. Many of us have various internet account with different types of passwords. It is always complicated sometime when you need to keep cracking your head to provide a valid password when you have used various passwords for different accounts. Just like hackers have successfully hacked email accounts (yahoo) in the past, nobody knows what could happen to gmail tomorrow. Meaning no where is 100% save but i prefer to print my seeds and store it offline just the way I store my other documents.
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tsaroz
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October 02, 2020, 03:17:35 PM |
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Not the safest Idea but I store my seed on the cloud but not just as simply. I always place two random words at fixed word count. I just remember the two counts, never the words and omit those two words while recovering my wallet. There are risks involved but this way, it's much difficult for anyone to crack open my address even though they find some or most of the info. I have done similar things with private keys. Just two random characters would make it amazingly hard to crack even if they found the keys. For a large amount, I too would recommend a hardware wallet as it provides an extra level of security.
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October 02, 2020, 03:25:41 PM |
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Honestly, I have saved the seeds of my wallet, i.e. private keys, in my Facebook Messenger. And I saved some wallet seeds in the telegram. And as a backup, I have written all my seeds in my diary so that if there is any problem online, my seeds are fine offline.
I haven't actually been able to save personal keys like you in Facebook Messenger or Telegram yet. I saved my seeds in a word file on the computer and saved it with a password. I also printed a copy of it on paper and locked it in a vault at the office and at home and kept the seeds in a pen drive for personal use. I understand from everyone's opinion that I have to take more precautionary measures to save the seeds.
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acroman08
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October 02, 2020, 03:48:06 PM |
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I have been using paper to write down the seeds for the last few years. I know this is risky, can be burnt, or lost or destroyed by any other reason and that's why I consider saving 2 pieces in two different place. One is in my hometown and another is in my rented house where I used to live. It's unlikely that both will get destroyed at once.
this is what I did too since it is less technical and the easiest to do among the other options and to be honest in my opinion it is much safer than the other ones(of crouse you still have to take precautions). I also have several copies of my seed in case of it being ruined/lost and will create another copy to replace the ruined copy.
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October 02, 2020, 03:52:51 PM |
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It's funny to see most of the people here are disclosing their secrets of the location of their seed phrase. Wouldn't it be easier for a hacker to find a victim if they disclose their secrets publicly ? I honestly thought while opening the thread that only a few will disclose their secrets while the rest would advice not to make such posts but things are opposite here. Even I think that just posting it here doesn't mean that the hacker would steal my seed phrase but why should we take the risk when we don't have to.
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October 02, 2020, 04:09:11 PM |
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I am somehow forgetful of my password so when it comes to my wallet pass, I wrote it down in a paper that looks like a scratch paper then just snip it to a book (as a bookmark) that is always beside my computer. No one really goes into my room and I'm the only who knows where that password is. And I just think that when you put your password in a place that isn't really safe, it would not look like a password at all. Kind of risky but it helps me remember it everytime.
Maybe I'm kind of lazy too to create more safety in my wallet but I think I will be more careful if I already stacked a lot of btc in my wallet in the future.
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October 02, 2020, 04:55:36 PM |
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I know it's kinda risky but at the moment it's the best I can do, writing it down on a paper would have been great, but sometimes unplanned events could just happen and you forget where you kept the paper or maybe a fire incident occurs and the paper will get burnt alongside your properties, that's the more reason why I prefer storing my seeds online, because online its easily accessible and no such thing as fire incedent can make you lose your seed.
What's the difference of hacking and fire incident? Both are almost the same in terms of tragedy they may often happen but it might happen to you one day. Don't get too comfortable of trusting the internet when it comes to your funds, a lot of people will be after you if they know you have a bunch of money. That's why anonymity and security are the best way to deal with the bad guys. You may be carelessly putting it on the internet but one day you might need to change your style of handling security. I'm not too comfortable with saving it on facebook tho,but like you said hackers normally target the people who they feel they can rip a good amount of crypto off them not someone like me, I don't have much crypto in my wallet that why I'm saving my wallet seeds on facebook, maybe some day when I start holding large amount of cryptos, I will definitely upgrade my security,but for now I prefer the seeds to be on my facebook second account.
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October 02, 2020, 05:15:52 PM |
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I know it's kinda risky but at the moment it's the best I can do, writing it down on a paper would have been great, but sometimes unplanned events could just happen and you forget where you kept the paper or maybe a fire incident occurs and the paper will get burnt alongside your properties, that's the more reason why I prefer storing my seeds online, because online its easily accessible and no such thing as fire incedent can make you lose your seed.
What's the difference of hacking and fire incident? Both are almost the same in terms of tragedy they may often happen but it might happen to you one day. Don't get too comfortable of trusting the internet when it comes to your funds, a lot of people will be after you if they know you have a bunch of money. That's why anonymity and security are the best way to deal with the bad guys. You may be carelessly putting it on the internet but one day you might need to change your style of handling security. This is why we do have many different options for storing our wallet seeds. It will matter on the people on what kind of storing method he will be comfortable with. Every method of storing seed has an identified risk, It will just matter how we will manage to keep it safe from the possible tragedy that can happen. There are many places in the world that can make storing it physically riskier than storing it on the web. Remember that there are still countries that are suffering from war and unexpected evacuation for them is normal. This isn't an issue at all, Cryptocurrency users like us have different lives but all it matters to us all is the safeness of our assets.
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jerry0 (OP)
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October 02, 2020, 05:21:35 PM |
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To save the seeds, I printed them out on paper and made a few copies. I kept one copy in the personal vault of the office, one copy at home, another copy locked in an iron chest. For personal use, I keep the seeds in a specific pendrive, to prevent the file from being deleted, I put the seeds in the pendrive and locked it with password by the help of antivirus. Exactly this is one of the best idea to keep the seed in secured. I did follow the same idea and i never face any trouble still and hope my account will be secured for all the time. What do you mean by pendrive? Why print out the seed? Why not write it three times instread?
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Leviathan.007
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October 02, 2020, 05:21:59 PM |
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As a newbie when I created my first bitcoin wallet a few years ago, I remember that I just did a simple copy-paste to a text file and just a few months after that I lost all my coins after badsector on hdd. Anyone got his own method to save his keys by if you ask me the best way is to print the seed on a paper and put it somewhere safe that's what I do and this method saved my funds many times.
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jerry0 (OP)
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October 02, 2020, 05:26:23 PM |
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Not the safest Idea but I store my seed on the cloud but not just as simply. I always place two random words at fixed word count. I just remember the two counts, never the words and omit those two words while recovering my wallet. There are risks involved but this way, it's much difficult for anyone to crack open my address even though they find some or most of the info. I have done similar things with private keys. Just two random characters would make it amazingly hard to crack even if they found the keys. For a large amount, I too would recommend a hardware wallet as it provides an extra level of security.
By cloud you mean like gmail, yahoo mail or dropbox etc right? So you telling me if someone got into your email or cloud account, they could see the seed? Its just they aren't sure which one it is because you put random words in it? Yea hardware wallet is what everyone recommends.. but my main question is storing the actual seed words. That is the bigger issue here. Because i feel like unless you live in those luxury high rise condos with security and live all the way in the higher floors, there is always risk to burglary and theft.
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October 03, 2020, 12:22:27 AM |
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I write all my seeds in my notebook physically, not in mobile notpad or in laptop.I think this is safe way for safety of assets.
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October 03, 2020, 06:33:13 AM |
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You made different case scenarios which are all correct when looking at it from the humans point of view we are and as such, several things can happen which can threaten the safety of the seed or those things we fear might happen, might still not happen; to crown it all, we do not even control our lives neither do we know what will happen in the next few hours and so on. So I think Instead of fearing the unknown, why not we just do our best and leave the rest. Nevertheless, I still think writing the seed on a notebook is the best idea. It can be a notebook, it can be a specific book but in this case using two books while dividing the seeds between them, then keeping each book in different locations. The location might be within your house where no one can locate it or maybe between your house and your parents house; anyhow you think it will be done to protect it. Also, you made mention of keeping in Gmail, when I think that can still work but however you should be careful of not using that particular email address for any registration whatsoever, it should be for the sole purpose of storing Important information. If you are the only person who knows about the email, hardly can anyone hack it. As for me, I write mine in two books, then kept them in different locations. Even the mobile wallet app in my phone is locked. No one can be perfect, we just have to do the best we can.
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October 03, 2020, 09:14:24 AM |
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Even I don't know, and it doesn't matter where, what matters is it safe place. I have couple of backup's each need a key pass to crack it. All hiding methods are okay but I think we should think about not just the way we stored, safety comes first.
Yes, the safe place is one thing that we must think about before we can save the wallet and the seed. But we need to have a backup for that to prevent if something happens with the other places. Making a couple of back-ups will be necessary, especially if we have many coins inside the wallet, so we can restore it to other devices if that wallet can not be accessed. I don't want to tell where I store my seed because that is my secret and only me knowing that place. If I tell where I store my seed, that will not be a secret anymore
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October 03, 2020, 11:33:27 AM |
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To be honest, I saved my seeds in my Google drive or Google sheet all my seeds are place in there and it is easy to use and for me it is the safest place to store my seeds.
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October 03, 2020, 12:24:06 PM |
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What do you mean by pendrive?
his means USB Disk or flash disk Why print out the seed? Why not write it three times instread?
I ever print out the seed in a barcode format. Not the safest Idea but I store my seed on the cloud but not just as simply.
I know some specific for that, like boxcryptor where can encrypt your file in the cloud. To be honest, I saved my seeds in my Google drive or Google sheet all my seeds are placed in there and it is easy to use and for me it is the safest place to store my seeds.
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jerry0 (OP)
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October 03, 2020, 04:50:10 PM |
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To be honest, I saved my seeds in my Google drive or Google sheet all my seeds are place in there and it is easy to use and for me it is the safest place to store my seeds.
Well, you are a honest dumb. If I h.ck your Gmail I may access all of your accounts, if there is smth inside you could loose what u got. An advice for you, keep your wallets at a safe place such as paper wallet, cold wallets etc. What if he encrypt the document? Wouldn't that make it safe since you hack his gmail, you need axcrypt password?
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October 03, 2020, 09:29:16 PM |
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To be honest, I saved my seeds in my Google drive or Google sheet all my seeds are place in there and it is easy to use and for me it is the safest place to store my seeds.
Well, you are a honest dumb. If I h.ck your Gmail I may access all of your accounts, if there is smth inside you could loose what u got. An advice for you, keep your wallets at a safe place such as paper wallet, cold wallets etc. What if he encrypt the document? Wouldn't that make it safe since you hack his gmail, you need axcrypt password? Every layer of security that you add on top will make it harder for someone to crack. Like you have a file with a random name, with a text inside and one of the lines is your seed. That's already a layer of security, no matter where you store the file. If you put that file into a password protected zip file that's another layer. Put that in a password protected cloud storage or email account that's another layer. Having 2fa on that account is another. You can also encrypt the file and so on. There can be better or worse layers. Storing something online is always more accessible from anywhere in the world for you, but also more vulnerable.
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October 08, 2020, 08:39:25 PM |
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I write all my seeds in my notebook physically, not in mobile notpad or in laptop.I think this is safe way for safety of assets.
If that's convenient for you then its good, but also remember to do a photocopy of that page where your seeds are written and keep it some where else apart from your house, just incase a fire incident occur you might lose the notepad, but atleast you will a have back up so no need to worry, although theres no 100% proven method on how to keep our seeds, because everywhere we keep it is at our own risk, even if you save it in the google drive, the gmail might get hacked someday and someone will have access to your seed, so we should just try out best to keep them safe.
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October 09, 2020, 04:22:15 PM |
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I've seen a lot of creative ideas above, but I think most of them are unnecessary. I wrote my seed on paper and tried to memorize it and then burned the paper. Actually, it is really easy, only has 24 words. If you read only for one hour, you can memorize it very easily.
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