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September 30, 2020, 12:13:49 AM |
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I know this maybe the hardest thing to do when storing seeds but I think the ideal and the safest way to store them is to memorize them, though it may sound very challenging, it can be done if we only have the will to do it especially if we only have a small number of wallets with significant amount of funds with it. Imho. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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September 30, 2020, 12:15:42 AM |
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All security scenarios for your seeds can be done as creatively as possible but with a good level of security. The way I do to secure the seed is to encrypt the document with Winrar and then save it on my offline hard drive as well as my online drive. The most important thing is the online drive account that is used is not connected to this forum or other work, so it will be very rarely accessed, to avoid phishing. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.postimg.cc%2FSxbZNgRy%2F420863829-1581110842-0-326618658.jpg&t=665&c=AFmKNL51w2NMEw) I also do some of the same things that people in this group do like keep on a sheet of paper and do the lamination. There are also several methods used so that a sheet of paper is not easily damaged and remains safe, namely by using a "Time Capsule" which will be buried underground and the documents in it will remain intact because the Time Capsule is resistant to corrosion. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.postimg.cc%2FfyS0nhG5%2FScreenshot-48.jpg&t=665&c=5AmGt-05Pd_AQw)
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September 30, 2020, 12:42:18 AM |
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I just write my seeds in a piece of paper and then put it in my wallet.
I feel that in that way, it is safe already for the reason that I'm the only one who is engaged in cryptocurrency here. Even though my relatives will see it, they don't know what is the meaning of it so they will just ignore it. I don't like them teaching regarding crypto too because I don't see them that interested when it comes to this type of aspect so I'm just writing the seeds and creating duplicates of it (around 3-4) and spread it out.
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September 30, 2020, 01:07:16 AM |
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I just write my seeds in a piece of paper and then put it in my wallet.
I feel that in that way, it is safe already for the reason that I'm the only one who is engaged in cryptocurrency here. Even though my relatives will see it, they don't know what is the meaning of it so they will just ignore it. I don't like them teaching regarding crypto too because I don't see them that interested when it comes to this type of aspect so I'm just writing the seeds and creating duplicates of it (around 3-4) and spread it out.
I think that is not safe at all. You need to make more back up for that because we might not know what happen to your wallet if it will be stolen then your btc will also be stolen as well. We can't assure that our wallets is always safe for it might be also prone to physical hazard like getting wet from rain or getting damage as time pass by with writings that will be removed. Be careful with that and if I were you make sure that you to make a formidable back up like storing seed phrase in a document save to a USB.
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September 30, 2020, 05:27:12 AM |
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There's no 100% perfect method for storing your seed, there will always be some risks. What you should do is store multiple copies of your seed using different secure methods - and ideally all in different places, if you can have more than one place that you trust. Also i hear ppl say break your seed into two or three parts. That makes sense but do you leave all the parts in the same house/apartment? You hear about how you give one half to someone else you trust, you keep other half. Well what if you no longer see the other person anymore or something happens, then what? Obviously you would need to immediately send your coins to a temporary wallet in the meantime.
Splitting your seed only truly works if you use special cryptographic secret sharing schemes. Simply splitting it won't work, because having a part of the seed can be enough to bruteforce it.
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September 30, 2020, 06:14:44 AM |
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Unlike others who write down their seeds on papers,i really don't have time to write them down, so for me I normally store my seeds on a facebook, l use my first Facebook account to send the seed to the my second Facebook account, both accounts are being protected by two-factor authenticator (2FA), I also have several recovery codes which I can use to access them later just incase I lose my phone I can still be able to access both Facebook accounts with those recovery codes, then the screenshot of those recovery codes are been stored in the cloud on my google drive.
Are you aware that you are already giving the seed to someone once you upload it on the internet. Saving your seed phrase in a plain text to Facebook is not a good idea even if you say you have a 2FA authenticator. Imagine how those top exchangers getting hack like the Binance itself. Hackers nowadays are getting smarter and wiser, plain text somehow can be search with their own application. Best way to hide it from everyone is to write it down on a piece of paper then hide that paper somewhere where you are the only person or someone you did trust know the location of it. I know it's kinda risky but at the moment it's the best I can do, writing it down on a paper would have been great, but sometimes unplanned events could just happen and you forget where you kept the paper or maybe a fire incident occurs and the paper will get burnt alongside your properties, that's the more reason why I prefer storing my seeds online, because online its easily accessible and no such thing as fire incedent can make you lose your seed.
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September 30, 2020, 06:47:56 AM |
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I memorize it. A 12-word seed is a lot easier to memorize than most people thought. But I understand that this is definitely not for everyone. another way is writing it on a paper. with a paper, you can just keep it at your house or in your physical wallet. I'm keeping my phrases written on 2 pieces of paper. One of them is among my notes but it's hard to notice. Somebody would have to know what to look for to find it.
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September 30, 2020, 07:33:34 AM |
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~ Also i hear ppl say break your seed into two or three parts. That makes sense but do you leave all the parts in the same house/apartment? You hear about how you give one half to someone else you trust, you keep other half. Well what if you no longer see the other person anymore or something happens, then what? Obviously you would need to immediately send your coins to a temporary wallet in the meantime.
While it is perfectly justified to have several offline backups of your seed phrase using means suitable for safe storing, it is not recommended to split your seed phrase into several parts for a plethora of reasons. When you are "breaking" your seed what you are really doing is weakening security of your "password". For example, if one of the parts is stolen - six words of your 12-word seed phrase - you are in trouble since it is quite feasible to bruteforce remaining words. You simply may lose one of the parts and you are in trouble again - in this case you have to bruteforce your own seed words. You may forget the correct sequence of words, confuse one part with another, etc and you are in trouble again. Of course, you can calculate the checksum in order to figure out what sequence is actually correct but you may accidentally expose your seed while doing that.
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September 30, 2020, 07:43:50 AM |
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I like to store my seeds very protective place.but before the storage of my seeds, l wrote on a paper with two copies. One copy l storage in my bank locker & another l have store in a little bag where l can read time to time.
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September 30, 2020, 09:05:31 AM |
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As most do, I reproduce more than one copy of the seed I own. I have seen quite different ideas above and like some of them very much. Frankly speaking, I don’t believe flash disks are safe enough. That’s why I prefer to write my seed on the pages of my favorite books in my library. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.hizliresim.com%2FEst8ZM.png&t=665&c=MF5B6hKwL3gafQ)
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September 30, 2020, 11:24:11 AM |
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I know this maybe the hardest thing to do when storing seeds but I think the ideal and the safest way to store them is to memorize them, though it may sound very challenging, it can be done if we only have the will to do it especially if we only have a small number of wallets with significant amount of funds with it. Imho. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) I memorize it. A 12-word seed is a lot easier to memorize than most people thought.
how accidentally rave it to your friend when you drunk? If someone knows you posted it here, maybe he will go to your library and searching this book. I don't know why are you proofing your secret in the public area? you must move it now.
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September 30, 2020, 11:39:09 AM |
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I have my wallet seed written on a paper and I made sure to have some copy of it on my wallet and some on places that I could easily remember since I always kept my valuable things on it. I don't trust the internet that is why I kept mine offline and the people around me doesn't really care too much nor gives interest in crypto so I think it wouldn't be a problem even they saw it they wouldn't actually care about it and think that it is just a random note or a useless piece of paper.
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September 30, 2020, 11:40:29 AM |
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I store them in my notebook and keep it in a secured box. I may left a message in the box saying “Don’t open this until the day I die”, which I want to inherit it to my current and future family members.
I also had a copy of them stored in a Notepad file on my USB. I really don’t trust Gmail and Google Docs to store all of my passwords, seed phrases, private keys, etc. Not in my mobile phones, I have learned my lesson the hard way after those screenshots were gone because of forced factory reset. However, I do trust Protonmail as it’s more secured.
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September 30, 2020, 02:13:43 PM |
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I have my wallet seed written on a paper and I made sure to have some copy of it on my wallet and some on places that I could easily remember since I always kept my valuable things on it. I don't trust the internet that is why I kept mine offline and the people around me doesn't really care too much nor gives interest in crypto so I think it wouldn't be a problem even they saw it they wouldn't actually care about it and think that it is just a random note or a useless piece of paper.
Same method I used also, that is I wrote it on a piece of paper and well laminated and kept in my cupboard having shown it to my wife, i.e manual things rather than digital I don't trust internet nowadays, hackers are getting more sophisticated and improving on hacking accounts on daily basis, its no longer news of hackers hacking reputable exchanges, in fact I don't trust 2FA any longer a simcard can hacked and cloned to bypass the owner, nothing is impossible in this era of Jet age.
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September 30, 2020, 04:05:44 PM |
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Seeds are easy to store as long as you are creative so that only you know how to retrieve them quickly. I often scatter them on social media by sending them out to my friends who are not crypto-savvy and I often miss 1 character. I've printed them out and put them in the books on the shelf. I sent the restore script in the saved section in the Telegram app. In many ways, we can keep the restorable 12-character string safe.
you are indeed creative on storing your own seeds but i find it easy to stole , sorry . you sure you know your friend ? what if they secretly learn a crypto . once they are familiar with the seeds , they can easily guess the missing characters and open your wallet . you scatter them but what if they got curious and they pm your other friends to gather all the codes . telegram is more risky than the first . lastly , putting them in books can be easily discovered . you might want to re locate them ? Do you think guessing the remaining letter is so easy? How do they know which are the characters to restore the Bitcoin wallet? This hypothesis is very unlikely and I don't mind it. I mentioned sending these secret characters only to a few close friends.
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September 30, 2020, 04:28:32 PM |
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I store them in my notebook and keep it in a secured box. I may left a message in the box saying “Don’t open this until the day I die”, which I want to inherit it to my current and future family members.
I also had a copy of them stored in a Notepad file on my USB. I really don’t trust Gmail and Google Docs to store all of my passwords, seed phrases, private keys, etc. Not in my mobile phones, I have learned my lesson the hard way after those screenshots were gone because of forced factory reset. However, I do trust Protonmail as it’s more secured.
You can also use a password manager for storing your passwords and even keys under some unique usernames that only you can understand when you open, it is a hassle free method and you would only have to remember a single password for that password manager which I think would be an easy process to follow rather than following these methods which I think is pretty risky if your drive falls into wrong or malicious hands.
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September 30, 2020, 05:02:12 PM |
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There are many ways to save the seed, all I do is write it on a piece of paper and for backup I save my seed in an image and encrypt it then I save it on google drive, smartphone and on pc I think that describing it in an image is the best and safest way
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September 30, 2020, 05:25:22 PM |
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I keep one of my seeds hidden inside of an image using steganography.
it sounds cool, I need to google it. I don't know what is steganography. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) could you please share with us how to do it? is it something like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUNUjqSXWj0
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September 30, 2020, 05:35:32 PM |
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I store them in my notebook and keep it in a secured box. I may left a message in the box saying “Don’t open this until the day I die”, which I want to inherit it to my current and future family members.
I also had a copy of them stored in a Notepad file on my USB. I really don’t trust Gmail and Google Docs to store all of my passwords, seed phrases, private keys, etc. Not in my mobile phones, I have learned my lesson the hard way after those screenshots were gone because of forced factory reset. However, I do trust Protonmail as it’s more secured.
You can also use a password manager for storing your passwords and even keys under some unique usernames that only you can understand when you open, it is a hassle free method and you would only have to remember a single password for that password manager which I think would be an easy process to follow rather than following these methods which I think is pretty risky if your drive falls into wrong or malicious hands. Isn't that what i said with like using lastpass or keepass? But here you are changing the word a bit? Example imagine one of your words is your seed is doggy... im not sure if that is even a word or not. But imagine you type it enhhz... like imagine the word you see... you go one letter ahead of each letter... thoughts on that? But of course you can easily make a mistake like this. Then when you see ephhz, you go back one letter each... but thats bound to make a mistake right? Someone mentioned about writing it in a book. That does seem like good idea? Imagine a big book and you just gotta remember what page or pages you wrote it? Then you go back to the book? Still. what about the method i originally mentioned? Type it in keepass... then store it in google drive or dropbox. So only way someone can access it would be hack your email... but they need your master password for keepass? Or if you want to get more extreme, encrypt keepass file itself where you need to enter a password before... u even get a chance to enter a master password for keepass? Surely that would be the safest way to store it digitally? If you put it in a usb drive, and encrypt it... sure thats good. But what program you use to encrypt your usb drive? So if you encrypt your usb drive, only if someone knows the password, then can open it up right? But its like well you still have to be concern of fire or floods. The method i describe, well you don't have to be concerned about fire or floods. Thoughts on the method i suggested?
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September 30, 2020, 06:16:12 PM |
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sounds high risk but I save my seed in Gmail... I make a new notepad then send the seed to my Gmail storage, until now it's still safe I dare to do this because I already feel the security level of Gmail is very high as long as we are able to maintain the Gmail account and don't use that Gmail carelessly.
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