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Many of us here use different hardware wallets, so I thought it might be interesting to know what everyone has and why. We could display our devices here, comment on their built quality, and check the conditions they are in.

If you are up for it, take a couple of pictures, tell us when and why you bought your device, and show us its current condition. I will make a table in the second post of the thread to link to all the Bitcointalk community's hardware wallets.


Let me begin.
I have a Ledger Nano S that I purchased back in 2017/2018. Unfortunately, I am awful with dates and numbers, so I don’t remember exactly when. I hesitated whether I should purchase a Ledger or a Trezor device but opted to go for the Nano S in the end. I bought it at a discount, and I am pretty happy with it.

I got parts of my personal data leaked in the infamous Ledger and Shopify incident, which was a negative experience.

You can see a few pictures below. The outside cover has taken a little bit of damage throughout the years, but nothing significant. Some of that is just dust and dirt.

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/12/txMTj.jpeg
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/12/txmLG.jpeg

There is no damage or scratches on the screen or the plastic casing.

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/12/tx6eD.jpeg
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/12/txRGf.jpeg

Regarding the other contents of the original box, I am only using the data cable on a regular basis. As you can see, I haven’t even removed the foil from the USB head. ;D

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/12/txTyZ.jpeg


Show us what you are using!

I'm also awful when I have to remwmber dates or numbers, I just remember that I bought on Black Friday. So, I dig up deep in my email and I found that I bought my Nano S back in 2017, so, I already have it for 4 years. And here is how it looks:
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/10/meqM9.jpeg
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/10/me0JN.jpeg
I don't use it very often, so, it looks almost like new. You can see little scratch on metal part of wallet, but honestly, I haven't even noticed it before I took photo with flash light. Now I'm looking into it with my eyes and I can't see that scratch. Well, maybe it was just some dirt.
Plastic part and screen of my Ledger looks perfect without any scratches.
I suppose that it would look much worse if I would use it on daily basis.
From all box content I only use USB cable, but unlike you I removed foil from it :D

Nice try Mr. Hacker/IRS/FBI/CIA/NSA/<insert bad person trying to steal my precious!>!!?!

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/14/zti1H.png

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Seriously tho, I have a Ledger Nano S, Trezor ONE and a BitHD Razor (that I got sent as a review unit):
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/14/zt8Wg.png

NOTES:
- Trezor ONE and Nano S both purchased around the same time (mid 2017).
- I vaguely remember that I ordered the Nano S first, but there were manufacturing/shipping delays at the time, so I ordered the Trezor ONE because I really wanted a HW wallet. They were then delivered only 2 days apart!  ::)
- The Trezor ONE looks filthy because it still has the factory fitted plastic protective film on it (what y'all seem to be calling a "foil").
- I once "bricked" my Nano S back in the old days of the firmware and bootloader updates... frantic plugging/unplugging while holding various buttons eventually got it back (after a very panicky 20-30mins) to the point I could re-flash the firmware I was attempting to load and it has worked pretty much flawlessly since.
- My Trezor and Nano S have been on international holidays ;)
- I don't really use the BitHD Razor due to the somewhat annoying custom cable adapter (it's too thin for a standard USB port) and having to use Bitpie wallet app. :-\


If I were forced to choose a new hardware wallet today... I'd probably pick the coldcard. Not sure why... it just looks like it would fit all my requirements.

Black Friday deal of 2017. That might actually be the same time I got mine. We probably took advantage of the same discount. You have managed to preserve its condition nicely, good for you. Is the display quality the same after all these years?

Oh no, you figured out the real reason behind this thread.

If you had to do a head2head comparison between the Trezor One and the Nano S, which one would come on top after all these years of usage, but also looking their features and those elements that are important for you personally?

Thick? It doesn't fit into a standard USB port? What kind of cable does the BitHD Razor use and how do you overcome this hurdle?
I was supposed to get one of those as a test unit back in the days when BitHD was giving them away in exchange for a review of the device. Unfortunately, because of shipping issues, it was never sent. Seemed like a decent gadget to me and I always wondered why it didn't become more popular around here. BTW, the BitHD Razor is an open-source wallet, is it not?   

I remember BitHD also offered me to send wallet. But then they said that they can't send it because of covid-19 pandemic which started in China and later they refused to send it because their shipping agency don't deliver to my country. It was kinda strange because I live in EU, not North Korea or other problematic country.

Yeah, display quality looks same like new. I haven't used it at max brightness, so, probably it helped.

I was thinking about whether to participate in this or not, because since I only own a Ledger HW, someone might accuse me again of being a Ledger shill ::)

I have owned the Ledger S for years, and I think I bought it for Black Friday 2017 or maybe a year later, while the price of the BTC was around $8000. The device is still in mint condition because it is rarely used and is always stored in ideal conditions far out of reach of dust, dirt, or moisture.

I also own a Ledger X that I bought for Black Friday 2019 when the discount was as high as 35% and that seemed like a very good opportunity to me. Apart from data leaks, I have never found any defect in any of the devices, and I have no objections to their construction and materials.

When I bought the Ledger X I did a little review, so I'll use the picture I took then - nothing has changed with the condition of the devices.

https://i.imgur.com/VaMcHuo.jpg

I bought my Trezor One around late last year or early this year... Before that, I was using a local hardware wallet that was based on Trezor's firmware ^{[it was 30% to 40% cheaper]} but it had a lot of bugs in comparison to what I was seeing from the "real" Trezor hardware wallets, so I finally decided to purchase a Trezor One and I'm really pleased with it. Despite keeping it in a drawer with a lot of other stuff, there are still no scratches on either its body or screen.

^{Note: I can't disclose the name of the local hardware wallet due to safety reasons [e.g. various threats] against a few of the scammers I've exposed before and in case someone mentions why I'm participating in a local board on this forum, I'm not residing in there.}

https://i.imgur.com/fAjCAHy.jpg

https://imgur.com/M9O9UDf

bought it long time back.

don't remember when exactly.

but works fine.

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/14/blob28ca608d3b42c11e.png

I know that's not the original cable, but I prefer this shorter one which I usually don't unplug from the Nano S.

I've bought this Nano S in 2019 and the reason was to do tests with it, mostly, since if need be I can setup a cold storage.
Now I'm too much used to its convenience, although I don't use it that much. (So yep, it still works good).

Why Nano S? Seemed to do more than Trezor One (more altcoins, although not in the same time, clearly) and similar (maybe even slightly smaller price). And I've also preferred the USB-like design.
The ugly color was chosen to stand out from my too many USB sticks :D


I was very angry on Ledger because of the sloppy way they've handled the data leak from their shop, and I still am, but from what I know only my e-mail has leaked, so I consider myself lucky with that.

I have the same ledger nano s model as most people here are posting. I bought it in January 2018.

I also don't use it a lot. I spent years without even connecting it to a computer (in 2018 2019 bear market). Nowadays  I use it once a month,  as here im Brazil we are allowed to sell each month about 5k usd per month without paying tax gains.

My plan is to sell some of my stash now and buy back later if we face a big bear market again.

I am 100% satisfied with my ledger nano s, which is pretty new. If it breaks or something like that I will just buy a new one.

I think ledger live is a great software for newbies and the compatibility with electrum and metamask and other wallets allows me to have the control I need over my coins and private keys.

At first I was wondering what is that Nano S doing in the background on your screen and why don't you mention that you have one of those as well. Then I realized that it's this thread that's open and visible on your computer screen.

Where is the picture to back up your claims? ;D No picture - no hardware wallet.

That's a really nice law. And the timeframe in which you have been holding your coins doesn't matter? Holding them for one day or one year is treated the same way?

Yes, this tax free can be used even for day trading. If you sell more than 30k BRL (about 5k USD) you need to pay 15% taxes over your gains. If you hold for 1 day, the gains will be small and the tax will also be small. If you are holding for 5 years, the gains will be big and the taxes will be higher.

I think it is a very nice law as well. It is also amazing if you decide to buy something with bitcoin, if it is below 5k USD in a month it will also be tax free.

I t would be very interesting to see this hardware wallet, but I completely understand your concerns why you're not sharing it. I tried to make little search for this wallet, but failed to find anything.

Well, at least it's not pink :D. Probably 90% of people buy black wallet, so, I even forgot that you can pick color. BTW, maybe someone have one of these limited edition Ledger like Bitcoin Pizza Day edition or Bitcoin White Papper edition?

That's really nice law. I'm moving to Brazil :). In my country you can make just €2500 gains (about $2800) without being taxed.

I created this same thread in my local Croatian sub-forum to see what people were using there as well. And one of our local members uses a Ledger Nano X "Genesis Block Edition". You can see his post and a few of the pictures he uploaded of the device here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5375490.msg58631134#msg58631134). The only difference between the standard and the Genesis Block Edition is in the engraving that is present on the stainless steel cover. 

https://mocacinno.com/hotlinkimages/hw1_small.png
here's mine  ;D

At the office and in my banksafe, i have a ledger, trezor one and trezor T laying around... But since covid prevents me from going to the office, i can't provide pictures.

ps: i know the HW.1 is no longer safe to use... I keep it as a conversation starter, not as a real hardware wallet.

I had to laugh when I saw the HW.1. So does it actually hold any coins and does it even work nowadays?

Which Ledger, the S or X? Do you use all three (actually all four) hardware wallets? Asking because I want to know whether I should add all four devices into the table next to your name. :)

To answer those questions:

• Nope, the HW.1 is no longer in active duty... I don't remember when it went EOL, but it must have been many years ago :). I did buy it directly when it hit the market, and continued using it up untill the point it was no longer considered to be a good idear to do so (i don't really remember if it was because there was no more firmware upgrades or because there were unpatched vulnerability's... I just remember i had a good reason to retire the device). If somebody is interested, i can try if i get it running again, but no guarantees...
• I own a Ledger nano S (i should have specified), if memory serves me correct it also still has that protective plastic around the usb cable (just like yours)
• I do use the ledger nano S and both trezors on a relatively regular basis.... Covid makes some devices non-accesible from time to time due to restrictions for going to the office, but i do use them whenever i have access to them.

Are you implying that the pen-shaped item is a hardware wallet?

My bad ^[sorry]... Without the vignette effect, your profile would've been more noticeable in the upper left corner.

AFAICS, no one has posted anything about it on this forum ^{[so far]}, but there are a lot of other wallets out there that are based on Trezor's firmware ^{[to an extent]}:

• Quote from: dkbit98 on November 13, 2020, 11:44:16 AM
  • Keepkey* (https://github.com/keepkey)
  • BitHD* (https://github.com/bithd)
  • Prokey* (https://github.com/prokey-io)
  • OneKey* (https://github.com/OneKeyHQ)

  ~Snipped~
  * based on modified Trezor code
  ~Snipped~
  

  • Trezor DIY Wallet (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5259912.0)
  • PiTrezor DIY Wallet (https://www.pitrezor.com/2018/02/pitrezor-homemade-trezor-bitcoin-wallet.html)

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You just made my day :D

I don't think so. I am not aware of any pen-shaped hardware wallets. Looks like a standard pen to me. I think he was trying to say that the best and safest way to store your recovery phrase is by using a pen and paper and not relying on other parties or gadgets, like in the case of hardware wallets.

He was most probably implying that he just writes down the private key or seed onto paper. Pen and paper are not software and can be seen as hardware.
I'd guess that he either doesn't understand what hardware wallet means, either wanted to play "I am smart and funny". Or both.

just in case anybody is wondering about an update from the HW.1:

I plugged it in on my pc, everything looked fine.
I started electrum, created a new wallet using a hardware wallet and i was greeted with this screen:

https://i.imgur.com/yPqR3zy.png

I took it one step further and tried creating a native segwit wallet... This was taking it one step to far:
https://i.imgur.com/mMSWOgG.png

Then i tried a nested segwit (which went perfectly fine)

And last but not least, i created a legacy wallet... and since i didn't wipe the device and still knew my pincode by heart, i was greeted with this screen:
https://i.imgur.com/4yFBO20.png

Then it got me thinking: did i ever claim the BCH fork (and all other sh*tcoin forks later on)... As an early (very small) christmas present, i found about $30 worth of sh*tforks... Not that i'm going to sweep them right ways... My recovery card is in my banksafe and electrum doesn't allow my to export my private keys (which is normal for a hardware wallet)

This thus goes to show that you don't judge a book by it's cover: the HW.1 was looking pretty flimsy... Just a plastic card and nothing more... But i have used this very first type of hardware wallet for years on an allmost daily basis... It has been gathering dust for many years afterwards... But when i plug it in, it works just as good as the day i purchased it :)

That's is quite nice and shows the quality of the device. It is amazing to be able to use it after so many years, after so many software (and blockchain) updates.

Anyway, as I said in the first post, the only thing you really need is the seed. As the device generated the seed safely, you really don't need to worry about the hardware if it breaks.

https://i.imgur.com/gsLDQqFm.jpg   https://i.imgur.com/tqbiPsym.jpg

Here's mine! ;D

- I purchased my Ledger Nano S on May 13, 2020, during the first year of quarantine, and the product was delivered after 9 days of waiting :'(due to some restrictions that caused the courier's delay. @Lucius posted this thread Ledger Nano S - Get 50% off! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5247655.0) in which I took advantage of the sale.
- I originally purchased the Trezor One to store all of my Axies/NFT because the Axie Infinity does not support Ledger products, which I believe is understandable given the Ledger hacking fiasco. I ordered it on October 26, 2021 from an authorized reseller in our area, and it arrived three days later.

I also do not unplug the cable on the Trezor One because I use it on a daily basis and I feel that unplugging the cable repeatedly can break the hardware wallet  ;D. So far, after using both products after a year and for months, I have not found any hardware issues, with the exception of Ledger's latest firmware upgrade, which causes the overall storage to drop dramatically.

Maybe it wasn't supported at the time you purchased your Trezor device, but Axie Infinity is now natively supported by the two Ledger devices. The data leaks had no affect on the crypto assets though whatsoever.

I think the overall capacity before the latest firmware upgrade is 144kb and that it drops to 138kb after the update is done. Not dramatic, but somewhat of a noticeable difference sure. I still haven't performed the upgrade on my end and I am not in a hurry to do it.

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9 users have taken part in this thread so far and shared some feedback regarding the wallets they own. From those who did, 8 users own a Ledger Nano S.

I remember that, the 50% discount was a great opportunity to buy a hardware wallet. Now I noticed that you have some protection around HW, and it is also in the original image you posted in my thread - is it something that was in the package, or did you add it additionally?

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Ledger has been popular in the past, especially because of the discounts they had, and perhaps because of the design. I can't remember exactly how much Trezor cost 4-5 years ago, but it seems to me that it was more expensive than the Nano S.

There is no way you can break your device when you unplug it from your computer.
It's more likely that you will break your device keeping it all the time connected with your computer.
At very least your lcd screen will stop working much earlier than it could otherwise (this is especially related with ledger nano s device), and they are not created to be always powered on.
Note that it is possible to break plastic on ledger nano s if you press it to hard when you remove the cable connection.

https://i.imgur.com/lFTyTLG.jpg

How dare you question Trezor's quality... :D On a serious note, if you were referring "only" to the micro-USB head that directly attaches to your Trezor One, as long as you're not plugging it in like a maniac, you shouldn't worry about it ;D

And from those 8 users, three of them own a Trezor One as well ^{[unfortunately, Ledger is better at marketing/advertising their products]}.

The picture he posted here is the transparent version of the Ledger Nano S (https://shop.ledger.com/products/ledger-nano-s/transparent). I don't think there is any additional protection to it. Unless he has other pictures elsewhere.

The oldest achieve I could find is from January 2017 (https://web.archive.org/web/20170129123402/https://shop.trezor.io/). Back then, the Trezor One used to cost $99. The Nano S was sold for $49-59 if I remember correctly. On discount, it was possible to get it for $39, maybe even less. Hence its popularity.

So don't press it too hard. :P
It's similar to your girl's or your kid's hand. If you press it too hard, it might break. Don't do it.

I did not know that such a version existed at all, although I was aware that there were versions in different colors. It seemed to me that it was some kind of extra protection from moisture and dust.


As for the price, it was a bit higher, at least if we look at some reviews from that time - so the price on the official Ledger site was about $70, while resellers had even 100% higher prices. It seems that 2017 was a turning point for many to buy such devices, which is not surprising given the price of BTC, which increased by almost 20 times that year.

Actually, you are right. I made the mistake of adding the wrong fiat symbol because whenever we talk about Bitcoin, it's usually converted to a USD equivalent, not a EUR one, for example. I should have said €49-€59. I think I got mine for €49 or maybe even €39 on a very good discount.

For the SLP and AXS which are the in-game tokens, then YES, Ledger products can hold these ERC20 tokens. What I'm referring about is Trezor's integration with their Ethereum-linked sidechain called Ronin, and using Trezor Wallet is the only way to increase the security of your NFT assets (e.g., Actual pets, Lands). Despite the fact that they did not support Ledger for their project, I am still happy that I own 2 hardware devices which I can use not only for axie but for other purposes as well, maybe for backup.

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@Pmalek is correct, it isn't some sort of protection around the device, but rather the transparent version of Ledger Nano S. I chose the transparent body over the black color since it looks cool and isn't something you see often among other Ledger users. Seeing the inside of the case looks cool though even if its fuzzy type of transparent.

This is totally wrong assumptions, it is well known fact that display is weak spot for this devices, and you can find countless reports from people who complained about their screen going dim or totally stopped working.
I know exactly what cheap display (https://www.buydisplay.com/0-91-inch-128x32-oled-display-with-connector-fpc-ssd1306-white-on-black) model Ledger Nano S is using and you can purchase it for few bucks online, when it stops working after few years of normal usage (Not talking about device constantly connected to computer).
There are several video instructions (https://youtu.be/dSwmk4GW4GI) for replacing display yourself, or you can use smartphone camera (https://youtu.be/AqEa1Wvt8PU) to mitigate this issue.
If you want to check my claims just type phrase ledger nano s display problem in browser search or youtube, and you will see clear results.
In addition to this, keeping your device non-stop connected to your computer can be a security risk.

Just for comparison, I don't know a single case of oldest hardware wallet Trezor One with bad or faulty display going dim.
That doesn't mean it's can't happen like for any other devices, but that is not something happening in mass scale.

I was surprised that it's so easy to replace the screen yourself. You basically just pull out the connector for the old one and replace it with the new one you bought for a few bucks.

In the video you posted, the man says that he purchased two displays for around $8. But the other link you posted from buydisplay.com shows a price of $2.79. It's quite a big difference. Are you absolutely and 100% certain that particular brand will work with a Ledger Nano S?
One more thing. When you order a new display from that site, do you need a 'ZIF Connector (FPC Connector)' as well?

It's easy if you know how to handle electronics, and I would suggest ordering several reserve displays just in case yours go dim or totally dark.
You can always sell them locally for multiple times higher price, or start your own ledger repair shop if you want :D

I am 99% sure because I didn't order from that link and I didn't test this myself, but it was confirmed by other people.
Model number is exactly the same and even ledger is ordering them from China/Asia.

I am old generation and I almost never use word OLED... out of old habit I mostly refer to all screens as LCD screens. I know they are not the same.
Counting alleged 46,000 to 230,000 hours that is around 1,916.6 year or 9,583.3 years for ledger display to work fine, and meanwhile we have hundreds or thousands of people reporting issue with their display.
Someone must be lying here, if you know what I mean :)

Ledger display problems youtube proof examples:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a6H22ddK08
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSwmk4GW4GI
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqEa1Wvt8PU
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2wzgqn2fFs
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m08UmWXCjc

This ledger oled screen also have some vulnerabilities reported back in 2019 and I think they still exist, but ledger claims they are non-critical and they implemented some countermeasures.
https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/360033473414-OLED-Screen-vulnerability-FAQ?support=true

@dkbit98

Is this OLED LCD the same from the link you link you've sent?
- https://shopee.ph/product/132041196/2173800629?smtt=0.15159935-1642488042.9&fbclid=IwAR0h8C--d35rfxK01OL3q3yMtTh3bpWFPEC7bQDHRIqszQ1_5MWlZaKYFX8

Recently noticed that the display on my Ledger is a bit dim, so I am finding a similar OLED display from our local shop just in case when the problem is starting to get worse. Will there be no issues in terms of security?

It looks similar. 0.91 inches and a resolution of 128x32. Both show the same SSD number - SSD1306. However, the display you posted seems to be white. Ledger uses a dark one. The first couple of pictures on the link that dkbit98 posted seem dark. The last one is white though. 

Pay attention to the pins.
The video description that dkbit98 posted says it has to be 12 pins because the Ledger socket is 12 pins. But the one on https://www.buydisplay.com/0-91-inch-128x32-oled-display-with-connector-fpc-ssd1306-white-on-black has 15! I don't think it will work. The one you posted doesn't have 12 pins either. I count 14 or 15.

Check out the description link in the YouTube video. There is a link from where you can purchase the correct display with 12 pins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSwmk4GW4GI

They claim to have fixed the vulnerability of OLED displays with one of their old firmware upgrades. 

You need to buy exact display model that ledger is using so it's best to copy exact name and search online and offline in your local shops.

All you need is to use this phrases when you search to buy display:
0.91"128x32 OLED Display, SSD1306Z, P12832-2-B12P091, 12 PINS.

Model that you posted looks very similar but connector may be different.
Following this video instructions (https://youtu.be/dSwmk4GW4GI) I see that he used Display with 12 PINS and there is direct link on Taobao website for that.
Display is probably the same on all websites but cable connections can have different number of pins.

On second video I found a link to Alibaba website (https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/0-91Inch-Oled-128x32-Driver-Ic_1600235094273.html?spm=a2747.manage.0.0.2f1771d2HrG9QW) selling this same display with 12 pins.
Maybe you can ask sellers in shopee.ph website to tell you if they sell 12 pin version.

https://i.imgur.com/VYpNIWS.jpg

The Alibaba link works just fine, but I can't get the Taobao link to work on my end. Does it work for you or are you redirected to the homepage and asked to register or sign in? Maybe they have geographical restrictions or require that you are logged in to view their offer.

My mistake, I didn't pay attention to the number of pins and the display color, because I just thought that if the product has the same SSD number or model, it is a perfect duplicate and can work really well on Ledger.

Same goes for me. I tried clicking "Taobao" on the header page and successfully entered their home page; however, when I tried searching the keyword 0.91"128X32 OLED, but the website kept returning to the log in page, which is very different from how other online shops work. I am in Southeast Asia, where China is.

So I guess, my only option is to get in touch to our local shop and ask if the product is available for sale or buy the product from Alibaba and shoulder the shipping fee where the price is double of the product being ordered.

I am now absolutely certain that you have to create an account and be logged in to Taobao to be able to browse the marketplace properly. If you go to their homepage (https://world.taobao.com/?spm=a2107.1.0.0.2c7d11d95dtdAB) and enter any search field, the same thing happens. The site asks you to log in. Even if you select one of the items on the left, you still won't be able to see them. Just make an account and I am sure it will work.

Last time I checked you need to use some proxy websites to order stuff from Taobao if you live outside China, but I am not sure if you can find all products like that.
Maybe some Chinese friends could send this product directly, but no need for that if Alibaba and other websites offer the same stuff.

Contact the seller with that display and ask him directly if he has the same display with 12 pins.
I didn't do deeper search on internet, but other than Alibana, you can try Aliexpress, Ebay, Amazon or something similar.
I found one more website with same display but thy only sell minimum 1000 pieces.

Why not use another option?
You can search on Internet websites, like ebay, for exactly the same original faulty devices. Disassemble and take the parts need, that is, use them as donors of spare parts, such as the display that you need.

Viruses and malware cannot appear in the display and in the loop, can they :)

Found this ad in a quick search: https://www.ebay.com/itm/353858802555?hash=item5263a0d37b:g:Jb8AAOSw6plh4sNr
The current bid price is 1 EU.

P.S. I have nothing to do with this lot and the seller. My advice is advisory. All risk and responsibility rests with the buyer.

Also, I noticed that there are no lots with spare parts for Ledger devices on ebay, for example, displays, cases, buttons. Take note, sellers and do not thank for the suggested business model :).

On the surface, it doesn't look like a bad idea. But I wouldn't want a random person and seller on Ebay to know that I am looking to buy his broken hardware wallet. Sure, he can't know that I need it for spare parts, but still. There probably aren't that many people who buy hardware wallets (new or old and broken) who are not involved with crypto in one way or the other. Maybe there are some who buy them, fix them, and sell them as used. But you are always taught not to purchase second-hand HW, so I don't believe there is a big market for them. Unless you ship it to a PO box, I don't want to order cryptocurrency wallets to my home address. Dealing with big companies and wholesale services is a bit different.

I am not aware of any vulnerabilities and backdoors that can be inserted and connected to the display. The chips and board are a different matter though, and you shouldn't use those parts unless purchased from official shops.

It makes no sense to do that and pay multiple times higher price for something that will again get dim soon, display for all devices goes dim after few years of usage.
Price of new display is less than 2 dollars, and I doubt you can find broken ledger with same price, those ebay auctions will get higher price than 1 Eur for sure, plus you have to count shipping cost if they even ship outside Germany.
More important is security and would you want to reveal to someone that you purchased ledger over Ebay or not.
Ordering New part from Alibaba is not saying anyone that you own Ledger, because this display is used in other other devices, not just for ledger hw.

Sure there are a lot of spare parts because those devices breaks very easy, and they are very low quality  100% made in China.
They do however have good marketing and they sold millions of devices unfortunately :P

https://i.ibb.co/xC811ZL/pic22.jpg

Apologies for not replying sooner... work+real life etc etc

No, I meant the wallet itself is too thin to contain a standard USB port (and by "standard" I meant microUSB or USB-C)

The device really is quite thin:
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/14/zt5EJ.png


It uses an adapter called the "blade", which you plug a MicroUSB cable into... it's just a bit fiddly and annoying.
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/14/zt75C.png
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/14/ztB2b.png

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Good question... I would probably side with the Nano S, only because of the security flaw in the Trezor which absolutely requires that you use the passphrase functionality. But it's still very very close, like 51% Ledger S, 49% Trezor One... they really are very similar in performance and features.

I'm liking the new native Trezor Suite though.

That's correct; I think you could register on Taobao with a US (or other) phone number, but from what I remember it requires phone number, which I'm not willing to give (opposed to a one-time email address, for example). And they wouldn't ship outside China, probably, anyway. These proxies work very well. You can search in them as well, not sure though if they show all results.

But if you find / get a direct link to a product (such as the one posted earlier), you're just going to paste it into the proxy website, which then shows you a translated and currency-converted product page. When you proceed to order the item, it will be shipped to the proxy. After a few days, you get an E-Mail that you need to take action (or something like that). You also get some images of what was delivered to them; then you can give them your delivery address and even instruct what value they should declare (in case of tax / customs questions). This is important: they charge again for the 'second shipping' (this wasn't clear to me when I first used such a proxy) from the proxy to you. One thing to keep in mind.

In the end, I find it more practical to buy local or through AliExpress if something is only available from China. But proxy does work (e.g. Superbuy) quite well.

Do you mean that it has no secure chip? So you can attack with glitching and read out the seed?
https://media.coolwallet.io/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/glitching-setup.jpg

It really depends what your attacker model is. Of course, this is possible with any wallet that has no secure element, that's a choice you make when you buy the device. It wasn't attacked for a few years, but that never meant it was secure against this type of attack, just nobody had done it so far. To me, it was always obvious something like this would be possible if you have no secure element.

I was just looking online to buy some adapters, and I think that Type C is going to be standard for some time, with USB 4.0 protocol coming soon.  :o
It's crazy if you compare speed and data transfer evolution from USB 1.0 to USB 4.0, but I don't think we need super high speeds for hardware wallets.
Ideally we don't want to have any cable connection between computer and hardware wallet, that is why I love airgapped devices that don't need to use internet or cables.

So I guess you used Taobao website for purchasing with proxy before, and it's true that you can find anything there, but I found other good alternatives when I needed to buy something few years ago.
Topic of ordering stuff online is very important, and I think renting PO box or alternative delivery address is perfect solution for that, even better if you can use alternative name or alias (not possible in all countries).
It's scary how much data and personal information we leave online all the time, especially with anything related with bitcoin.

Yeah... otherwise, they're both very good devices for someone who just needs a "basic" hardware wallet to store a couple of different coins and doesn't want to spend huge amounts of money. They are kind of like the Toyota Corolla of hardware wallets, just reliable devices that get the job done without being too flashy or expensive.

Like I said, they're both very very similar, and I'd probably pick the Trezor if my use case was slightly different. For instance, if I was a regular trader that used multiple different coins then swapping the coin apps on the Ledger would probably get annoying after a while... but I have don't really use altcoins that often, and I can fit all the coin apps I need on the device.

I know a lot of people have had issues with the Ledger Nano X, and they had the data leak (which thankfully didn't really affect me), but my Nano S has been a solid little device that gets the job done. It's just a shame that Ledger shot themselves in both feet with a lot of their business decisions and communications (or lack thereof).

Yeah, I did order there once using Superbuy. The topic of anonymously receiving packages is definitely interesting. One more topic that would fit best into the recently suggested 'cybersecurity' or maybe better 'security & privacy' subforum. I doubt it will happen though since we should use Off-topic or another highly spammed board instead, probably.

I mean, I agree! If it works, it works, all good! It should always be commended if someone likes a product from a company but is still able to rationally critique another product, a new business decision or new direction the company is steering towards.
I'd just recommend you making sure you have seed word backup(s) and maybe get a replacement screen since this was so recently the topic, just in case. :) It can be so annoying to order a spare part and wait for 1-2 months, then better shelf some common items such as resistors, capacitors, USB sockets and in this case, screens. ;)

This topic could be related with Bitcointalk forum and best way to receiving packages from other forum members in most secure and private way, so it won't have to be in off-topic section.
I was thinking about this after I saw one of the BitcoinTalkShow video, when they announced winners will receive unique rewards, custom t-shirts, etc.
My idea is the we could all receive some kind of anonymous bitcointalk passport, or maybe we could print them ourselves, and sign a message to confirm we are the owners of them forum profile and passport.
I know could sounds crazy to some people, but I think this could be much better and have big value one day, than all this NFT bs.

Something like this, but for Bitcointalk forum:

https://i.ibb.co/DG6K0PD/imgde093bf854723b84e07ef5c9902a21a8.png
https://www.citizensofbitcoin.com/btc-passport-index/

True, good idea! :D And legit question as well; especially for buying / selling items like mining equipment or similar. I also wondered about privacy after the BitcoinTalkShow video.

What for though?

What for are people buying all those worthless jpg NFT images?
Bitcointalk passport could be cool collectible and proof that I was a member of this forum, without directly exposing my identity to forum, so I can show off my passport to grandkids one day... both physical or digital.
Maybe it can even serve as some kind of paper wallet.

^
Interesting Idea!

I use both Trezor and Ledger hardware wallets. I have them both for over 2 years
and both work perfectly still ^{or since I last used them anyway}.

I use the Ledger Nano more often for coins in and coins out and the Trezor
is for HODL coins and so lives out of sight in the dark crevasses of the house
with some 'hook & loop' tape to fix it there . The Ledger lives in a  drawer with
other random USB's and stuff.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rCqgyh7Q5p8/YfJH4b1kypI/AAAAAAAAA4I/L_S0iCTI3XUSDlAXeyqRpqB5_dSJ0QPLgCNcBGAsYHQ/s1600/1643268063696151-1.png https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-e1hk8o3Ao9k/YfJH5M_kOMI/AAAAAAAAA4M/hFk0tGV8elUAUZv-589bj7E0ZzqyHBsjQCNcBGAsYHQ/s1600/1643268066851619-0.png

My eyes went straight to the picture before reading your post and I thought, how many Ledger's does this guy have? Those three silver USBs on the top kind of look like the Nano S. The one next to the blue Verbatim USB is also similar but the sticker gives it away. I will put you down for 1 Trezor One and 1 Ledger Nano S.

The Ledger Nano S is still the leader among those who have posted in this thread to show of their hardware wallets. It's been a couple of months since anyone made a new post, have there been any new purchases that you would like to show the users of Bitcointalk? Tell us about your experience and show a couple of pictures.

The images of my Foundation Passport can be found here:


I still use it and I'll make another thread for Passport v2, my latest hardware wallet purchase, once it arrives.

About other devices that I own / owned / use / used, I prefer to keep the information I share to a minimum for obvious reasons of operations security.. :)

All right, so we have our first Foundation Passport HW added to the list. A very interesting hardware wallet I wouldn't mind testing out if it weren't for the bad battery life and the fact that it's produced in the USA making it quite expensive to ship and import in Europe. Batch 2 should fix the battery problems, but unless Foundation starts working with a EU based distributor, it won't be an attractive purchase. At least not for me personally.  

How happy are you with it so far?

There was thread about this wallet and I remember that we tried to predict what price of this wallet will be. There was predictions in range between $500-1000, I predicted $250, so I was more close to real price. Initially it was $299, later $199. Still, expensive compared with other wallets. And yeah, interesting how much it would cost to get it delivered to EU with shipping and import duties.

I noticed your post just now and I also thought why someone would need to so many hardware wallets :D. But that's just many USB keys and one Ledger. And this Verbatim USB - now you bring me memories maybe 15 years back when my home was full of Verbatim CD-R's with movies and games :D.

Regarding the battery life, it was very annoying at the start (seed backup takes some time, i.e. battery drain as well as my intensive testing), however in daily usage it drains pretty slowly.


They actually do have a distributor; v1 was available through BTCDirect (https://shop.btcdirect.eu/en-gb/products/passport/). However the price is similar to importing yourself so I prefer that.
Here's a list of all resellers: https://foundationdevices.com/resellers/

It's currently one of my most frequently used wallets, probably only second to a software wallet.

My contribution to this thread is going to seem very plain-Jane (at least this post), but I picked up a Ballet Lunar New Year 2022 Edition gift card 5-pack recently, as....I'm a sucker for Ballet and for limited edition HW wallets--especially ones in card form like these:

https://i.imgur.com/lpaDkOo.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/C856nrh.jpg

If there wasn't that damn security issue that's far too big to ignore--the one everyone here knows about--Ballet would probably be my go-to HW wallet for cold storage.  But as it is, these will remain in my small but growing collection of card-type wallets.

Edit:  WTF?  Somehow I made this thread self-moderated, which I did not intend to do.  Sorry about that and don't worry about having your posts deleted.

You're a little confused, the self-moderated thread was made by @Pmalek who started this thread, so only he can delete posts.

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As for these HWs, I understand that they have collector's value for someone and I don't see anything wrong with wanting to have as large a collection as possible - I used to collect various things too, and now they collect dust ;)

Thanks for the contribution. Since those gift cards are not proper hardware wallets, I will not add them to the table. 

:D
No, you didn't. I did back in December when I created this discussion, so everything is OK. But thanks for the laugh and for freaking out a little bit.

OMG, I'm more than a little confused....this is what happens when the human mind is taken through a 70+ hour insomniathon and decides to make a coherent post on bitcointalk.  Pardon me for that.

I think of the oddball HW wallets as a future part of crypto history if you know what I mean.  The feeling I get when I see wallets like Ballet and quite a few others that either have serious flaws or just don't have any name recognition is that they're not going to be around in a few years.  I don't collect other bitcoin-related things, as they just don't appeal to me--but HW wallets do for some reason.

I wish I could make a giant display album out of the ones I've got (which isn't that many, but I pick them up when I see a bargain).  There doesn't seem like there's a great way to display them otherwise.  Hang them on my walls, maybe?

I am such a dumbass, and I'm really embarrassed about writing that. 

Yeah, do that. Share it here. I am sure many would be interested in what's out there.  

No, you are human. We are a species with flaws of all kinds. Anyone active in these technical boards feel dumb at times when they see the levels of knowledge those top posters possess. No harm in that. Btw, I am not counting myself in that group just so we are clear.     

Yes as PmaleK posted you should take some nice snaps of your collection, we would like
to see that.

I havent seen you over at the "Collectibles" board?

Check out Cygan's thread on his collectibles > [INFO] CCC - cygan's crypto collection - constantly updated (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5275792.0)

Also krogothmanhatten created an info thread in suppliers of display items,
you might find something there which helps you out.>
[INFO]- STORAGE ITEMS FOR YOUR COLLECTABLES (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5270256.0)

i would also be in favor of you creating an extra thread here in forum for your whole collection - in the collectibles section people like you are always very welcome ;)
that was also my intention when i created my own, which has kindly posted here by aoluain

I have an Arculus, so far it works.

I have never heard anyone mention this particular brand of hardware wallets before except maybe Ratimov in that big list of his. Feel free to share some more information about it and tell us how it works. Some pictures would also be appreciated similarly to how other users submitted theirs.   

It's a closed-source device that was given to Bitcoin Miami 2022 attendees for free [1].
From what I heard, it was criticized a lot for being all closed and sketchy to get something like this for free. Like, if you think about this, it has the potential to be worse than 'free USB sticks' [2].

^^^ This also applies to closed-off hardware wallets, in addition to the ability to deanonymize and / or steal from your wallet.

It wasn't accepted well by everyone, understandably:





And a big one:

[1] https://bitcoinmagazine.com/business/bitcoin-2022-attendees-to-receive-bitcoin-hardware-wallet
[2] https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/tips/ST08-001

Oh you are really interested about Arculus?  :)
I wrote about Arculus last year it in our Croatian local section (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5285324.msg57912914#msg57912914), and I would never suggest anyone to waste money on this device/wallet!
It is only available in United States, and it can't be used anywhere outside it's borders, that means nothing will work including their app...
They also don't accept Bitcoin payments for purchases  :P , they are closed source and I heard many bad comments about them in last year.

I was interested to see how it looked and what the user's experience with the wallet is. But not because I like it or appreciate the geographical restrictions and limitations it comes with. A hardware wallet that was given away for free to visitors of a Bitcoin conference doesn't sound very appealing.

After seeing how much each of the attendees had to pay for various ticket passes, I wouldn't call it free ^{[I'm sure it was already factored in (except for the SM pass holders)]}.

And they still had the audacity to use the following words on their website ^[SMH]: "Security and privacy"

I have assembled a piTrezor recently to play around with as I had a spare Raspi Zero W for it. The OLED bonnet didn't cost much, so no big deal. Wireless networks are of course deactivated by appropriate dtoverlay settings. I had no use for a Raspi Zero w/o wireless connectivity, so none at home.

https://i.ibb.co/K96gB98/20220525-183206.jpg https://i.ibb.co/2KrzQkm/20220525-183029.jpg

Until I understand the changes to the original Trezor One firmware, I won't trust the piTrezor to generate me a seed for mainnet Bitcoin or other coins.
As unmodified software like Electrum or the Trezor Suite work properly with the DIY piTrezor, I would be fine to restore an existing wallet with mnemonic seed and use it with the piTrezor. My main goal is to have something to play with and get used to a hardware wallet. I am fully aware that a piTrezor is less safe than the original genuine device as it lacks any storage and boot protection. The piTrezor boots up pretty fast and with multiple microSD cards you could switch multiple wallets easily.

Bonus is your (online) parts orders don't leave some crypto hardware wallet data trails that might one day hurt you. (Ledger™, I see you!)

Very interesting project. I am gonna add it to the table as DIY PiTrezor, unless you think it should be called differently?
I found this neat little explanatory guide (https://www.pitrezor.com/2018/02/pitrezor-homemade-trezor-bitcoin-wallet.html) that explains how to build one of these devices yourself in case someone is interested. Is that what you used or do you have alternative sources?

It's Yannick's project on https://www.pitrezor.com and he calls it: PiTrezor
I'd stick to that name. No need to add DIY in front of it as DIY is implied.

Yes, that is exactly what I used and in addition I watched one or two Youtube videos just in case if there's something to pay attention to in particular. But the details on the blog are sufficient to assemble the device and get it up and running.

I didn't want to use a custom case to avoid making it look like a crypto hardware wallet. My assembly could be taken apart, the microSD card hidden and it would be rather "innocent" for visitors, bene- or malevolent.

Nice one, but I think you should check out one more wallet project that is based on same Raspberry Pit Zero device, and it's called SeedSigner.
SeedSigner is only supporting Bitcoin and it's air-gapped device comunicating with other devices with QR codes.
That means you would need to buy few small parts like camera, 1.3 inch WaveShare LCD display, and print your own 3d case (or purchase from third party).
This is more like signing device and it doesn't have permanent storage, so I consider it safer than Trezor and other hardware wallets.
Seed words are quickly imported with QR code scan.
https://seedsigner.com/

I still feel like there should be a clear distinction in the table between a fully operational hardware wallet that you buy, take out of the packaging, and it's ready to be used, and one that you have to build yourself. I don't want someone to see the post and think that's how the HW is supposed to look only to receive a chopped up version of it that needs to be assembled. The next thing on their mind could be: Pmalek, may you burn in hell! I don't want that. 8)

I have already seen SeedSigner and thought about it. Personally what I don't like with this product is that you need to have the mnemonic seed QR to use it, i.e. the most valuable wallet information unencrypted at home. Sure, you can hide it. Sure, you can add the protection layer of a mnemonic seed passphrase (I believe).
I felt that SeedSigner isn't quite the gadget that I need, yet. Worth considering though should I go more heavy on multi-signature wallets.

Sure, why not. The PiTrezor is in my opinion somewhat a "hacky" solution. While working pretty much the same as an original Trezor One, it's wallet data safety is basically non-existent if you don't use a mnemonic seed passphrase. The SeedSigner is a device on its own and doesn't store vital wallet data at all.

I have looked at available hardware wallets on the market. Almost all have something that I'm not happy with.
Ledger is NoNo, I'm not willing to support this company with a single penny/Satoshi.
Trezor One is pretty limited, same for PiTrezor; Trezor T too expensive for my taste. I hope a new Trezor with their own open-source SE chip isn't going to be with a price tag as model T.
Specter DIY is an interesting option for me.
Passport batch 2 looks interesting, too.
Bitbox02, well, not bad, but doesn't really outshine in my opinion.
Coldcard's recent move and future Mk4? Hm, not so happy and amused.
Other hardware that focusses on smartphone use or hasn't own displays is out of consideration for me.

Just wanted to give a glimpse of my thought processes... (I don't feel a pressing urge to have and use a hardware wallet, yet.)

I agree almost 100% with everything you said here. To me, I think a Trezor One with secure element would be worth like $200 or 200€, but the current model T price tag is already around the 300 mark, without this new custom chip so I won't hold my breath.
You correctly figured out that most wallets have one problem or another; not open source, no screen, wireless connectivity, price - so even though at first glance hardware wallets seem like a pretty exhausted field after so many years, I'm pretty excited to see what the next months and years will deliver and if we can get the perfect device.

Do note, regarding SeedSigner and having to store the seed 'in the open' in your home, that any device without secure element is doing just the same. Software wallets and hardware wallets like Trezor models without SE (including PiTrezor), basically store the seed 'in the open' as well, just digitally.

The question whether this is a potential attack vector entirely depends on the circumstances: where will the device be stored, where will it be used, by whom will it be used, how often and does someone have access to it for longer periods of time unattended? In some cases it will be better to have a fully open device (but without SE) and in others you rather put some trust in the SE to be benevolent to in turn get almost guaranteed protection from technological attacks by malicious parties in your surrounding.

You can import seed words manually every time if you prefer to do it slowly, advantage of QR code import is speed.

I always prefer having physical backup on paper or metal instead of digitally encrypted file stored on sd cards or secure elements of hardware wallets.
For me it's better option to use multiple passphrases and that is something you can encrypt if you want, and keep them in separate place from seed words.
You can use seedsigner both for multisig and singlesig, and Trezor is inferior with this as well as dealing with change addresses.
I am not saying SeedSigner is perfect, but it is better option than ledger or trezor for Bitcoiners, and they are not wasting time on altcoins.
One more alternative is project called Krux wallet:
https://selfcustody.github.io/krux/

I started out with the KeepKey because it was one of the cheapest open-source hardware wallets around, but I didn't really find it all that great.  The GUI that used to be available when I bought mine was one of the reasons I didn't like it, and ended up using it exclusively with Electrum.  It's no longer shipped with a user interface, because they're using it to promote their other product, ShapeShift.  To be honest the company kind of gives me the creeps, even more than Ledger.

I've also used Ledger's Nano and NanoX, but I tend to agree with you about Ledger as a company in general.  The fact that the wallets aren't open-source is a sticky point for me, but they really lost me when they let my personal information get leaked.  Forget about sats, I wouldn't give them a fraction of ripple.

I just reserved my order for a ColdCard mk4, so I'm interested to see how that works for me.

My go-to HW wallet has been the Trezor, I use both the One and the Model T.  I don't deal with altcoins when I can avoid it, and I have none that I'm holding so I primarily use them with Electrum as the interface, and both have been great.  The only limitation I find with the T-1 is that it's not compatible with XMR, which really hasn't been an issue since I don't HODL monero, but I do like to trade some on one specific P2P platform just as a way to (slowly) grow my stash of BTC.



As long as you know how to keep your coins (seeds) safe, a hardware wallet is just nothing more than a good way of keeping your coins mobile.  If you don't need the majority of your wealth to travel with you, then cold storage is more practical and more affordable.

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Wow, I had no idea that the Trezor models have gone up so much.  They used to try to keep the price point competitive with Ledger, but I guess there's no point in that since Ledger shot themselves in both feet in recent years.

As for the "perfect device," I don't think you'll ever get a consensus on that one.  You can ask ten different people what they would consider the prefect hardware wallet, and you'll likely get ten different answers.  Hardware wallet manufacturers' primary marketing demographic isn't the technically astute, so their definition of the "perfect device" is more likely to result from how well it sells and how user friendly it is.  That's not likely to coincide with your definition (or mine.)



That's a good point about seeds being "out in the open."  I'm don't have the technical knowledge to what makes a "secure element," and whether it would be open-source or not.  But if not, then I'm inclined to keep using my Trezor with a strong Bip39 passphrase to encrypt the seed.

I think only model T is this expensive (and always has been); Trezor One has kept its price and is still competitive with Nano S (which is now (being) discontinued), but it's a very old device by now.

Sure, preferences play into this, but I do believe that you can put up a list of things that are objectively good and desirable in such a device and where I don't know why anyone would not want them. Just a few from the top of my head.

• Open source firmware and hardware
• Reproducibility of the firmware builds
• A screen to verify the recipient's address
• Limited amount of closed-source silicon (e.g. prefer screen with circuit on glass [1])
• Open-source secure element (protects from hardware attacks)

Aspects I would rate as being more subjective:

• Closed-source secure element (what's available today - tradeoff between trust in the manufacturer of this chip and security from hardware attackers)
• QR Code communication / air gap (depends on user's preference: if they are super privacy and security focused, won't use a phone and might not have a webcam)
• Phone app (see above)
• Form factor (see above)

I could just quote a Wikipedia article about secure element chips, but put shortly, they're small integrated circuits (example: [2]) that store your seed in a way that I can't just open up the hardware wallet and read it out with my PC. This chip is also shielded from physical attacks, like opening it and reading the bits with a microscope and these types of attacks. Until now they've always been closed-source, so in theory a complete open-source hardware wallet that uses such a chip is vulnerable to attacks that the developers and users can't identify since they don't have access to the secure chip's source. It could also be backdoored. If you use an open-source secure element though, you can^{[it's not that easy, though]} verify that it's not malicious and has no backdoor. Trezor appears to be working on such a chip currently.

There's also a curated list of hardware wallets with secure elements here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5304483.0

[1] https://youtu.be/Hzb37RyagCQ?t=2061
[2] https://www.microchip.com/en-us/product/ATECC608B

I think it's going to be great for the entire hardware wallet industry once it finally comes out. Not just the version that Trezor and Topic Square bring out, but each subsequent one that will get worked on and improved by other development teams based on the open-source codebase. It's worth pointing out though that even Trezor is considering not making everything completely open-source. I guess they understand it might be dangerous or too revealing. They have stated in their press releases/documentation that the chip will be as open-source as possible. People seem to constantly forget about these two underlined words that can make a big difference.

I'm not sure if security by obscurity is the reason for that, as I find it a severly flawed concept for sustained security. I haven't read everything that Trezor published regarding their open-source SE, but when it's available I'd really want to see exactly why something needs to be kept hidden if the SE isn't fully open-source.

Well, we'll have to wait and see if their SE can tick all desired boxes and proves to be a good piece of silicon to use and is as secure as desired. Time will tell. (I'm impatient, though.)

The question here is, how do you operate this device for transactions when there is no button? and the screen is not big enough to operate as screen touch. I am only seeing flash drive. Tell me more.

There are two buttons on the Ledger Nano S. Do you see those two black things popping out in the first first picture? Look closely at the top of the casing. Those are the buttons. You use them to navigate around the interface, open/close different menus, confirm transactions, etc.

They are easier to see on this picture for example:
https://cdn05.zipify.com/OHT2hb5x38x4NgqovUxkpzJXwmY=/fit-in/2048x0/9f35e875323d4563be36edd5cd0a00da/configureasnewdevice.png

As Pmalek show above, there is buttons on wallet. In general, you won't use button that much, it's only needed to verify your actions. About screen size is optimal I think, it's not touch screen. But another question is quality of that screen.

You actually need the buttons quite often. You need them to setup and verify your PIN and seed words. Every time you want to unlock the wallet, you use the buttons to find the correct PIN numbers. To interact with a particular cryptocurrency, you have to open the associated app on your hardware wallet. As you mentioned, the buttons are used to verify addresses, amounts, fees, etc. You also need them for settings changes, display configuration, creating a passphrases... 

I don't mind the screen size either. A lot of people seem to be displeased with it. But if you think about it, it's much easier having your address divided in 3 parts when you verify it. The address is a string of random letters and numbers. It's not a logical sequence of characters you can remember whether or not you see the whole thing or a 3rd of it. I find it easier to see one string and verify it's identical to what is shown on Ledger Live, and then move on to the 2nd and 3rd one. 

Well, yeah, you're right, actually buttons is used often.

I'm one of these people who don't like that address is divided into 3 parts and doesn't fits in single screen. But you have good point that's easier to verify it when it's divided into 3 parts.

Wasn't sure where to post it, so I will just briefly mention it here.

The official Ledger website is now calling their Ledger Nano S the Ledger Nano S: Final Edition (https://shop.ledger.com/products/ledger-nano-s-final-edition). I am not sure when this was changed, I just noticed it now. Sorry, if it was mentioned already. Anyway, it's the end of production and the last 10.000 devices will include an NFT of some sort. ::)

There are a few pictures of this digital collection on https://shop.ledger.com/products/ledger-nano-s-final-edition.
Doesn't seem appealing to me, but I guess every product has its buyer. Hopefully, they won't drop support for the Nano S after a few months.

Probably in one of the topics dedicated to Nano S, like Why I wouldn't buy Ledger Nano S ever again? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5370521.0) - info about the last 10.000 devices here would put a bullet point so as not to buy it.


The company decided to get rid of the last copies of this model as soon as possible, and for this it is trying to stimulate buyers with the help of nft bonus. Otherwise, no one would have bought them, because there are updated models.

I would never go for the Nano X over the older Nano S. Looking at how good my Nano S has served me in all these years, I didn't make a mistake when I bought it. There is the regret of having some of my data leaked together with my friend who received the package, but Ledger isn't the first nor the last company that will be affected with something like that because of negligence.

I was never a fan of the Nano Xs Bluetooth feature or the battery and we can see the problems the battery has caused with the latest batches. The Nano S Plus seems better to me than the X if it weren't for the missing support for a whole bunch of assets. Not that I need that support because I have very few altcoins, but just the idea that they forgot to add it or didn't do it intentionally to be able to release it as soon as possible, gives me a bad feeling and makes me question what else they might have forgotten or intentionally left out? 

I have limited knowledge in regards to NFTs as a whole, but IIRC, the POAP NFT that came with the genesis edition of the S Plus had restrictions or rather wasn't made to be like a regular NFT, so I think the same would probably apply to this one as well ^{[I don't think they'll be able to easily sell it]}!

I agree with you... Even though "they've fixed most of it (https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/4565436877597?support=true)", I'm still surprised to see a couple of apps are still missing after roughly 4 months!

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Considering that only a few users have posted so far, perhaps it's time to find them from other threads:

e.g.

• BitHD Razor review (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5244661.0) ^{[and Trezor One (by Rath_)]}
• Safepal hardware wallet review and opinions (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5257785.0) ^{[by Lillominato89]}
  
  • Same thread but another user (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5257785.msg55043750#msg55043750) ^{[by TedMosby]}

Given that I own both models (S&X), I can say that the X is a much better device for me personally because it has a much larger screen, storage that does not limit the user with the number of installed apps or the size of the new firmware, and better quality construction compared to the S. If you had the chance to try it, I believe you would change your mind.


The Bluetooth option is anyway only for those who want to use HW on the go in combination with a smartphone and does not represent any security or any other problem for those who use the X in a classic way - while I never had any problems with the battery. I can't say anything specific about the S Plus because I'm honestly not interested, but it's just an upgraded version of the S and I honestly doubt it's better than the X in any way.

I have never had issues with the build quality of my Nano S. It's obviously cheap and could break easily, but just be careful with it. I don't hold my kid's hand the same way I hold a dumbbell. I don't cut salami the way I chop wood. You just adapt to the situation and apply different pressures. Would be good if the old Nano S could cope with at least 4-5 apps at the same time, but it's such a simple process to switch it up that it isn't worth mentioning.

Looking at a head2head between a Nano S Plus and the Nano X, they both have the memory to store the same amount of apps at the same time, they have the same display size, similar ST33 chips (maybe dkbit98 has more info about the differences between a ST33K1M5 and a ST33J2M0), with the Nano S Plus missing Bluetooth support and a battery, and the S Plus is twice as cheap.

I agree with you on this, we have five pages talking mostly about things that have nothing to do with hardware wallet showing-off, and Pmalek just revived it with one more unrelated old news post, I guess that is a skill also :D

I paid about $90 for the X, and the S Plus is now about $80, so in retrospect, I don't think I did a bad job when I bought it at 35% off. I considered it a long-term investment in security, and I still think it's a very good device, although I would have acted differently if I had known how careless Ledger is with its users' data.

I'm a little bit late but yeah I have these few devices which consist of 1 ledger nano S, 1 Trezor one, couple of flashdrives.

I got my Ledger Nano S around 2017 as far as I remember, I acquired it from my friend who is a reseller of ledger in my country before. This is were I store majority of my bitcoins, There's no problem encountered in the past except for the physical connection because of the age of included cable.

I acquired the Trezor one during 2021 bull run, It was pretty new honestly. Plastic is still intact. I stored most of my altcoins here that I decided to keep for long term. This also become my wallet for NFT games such as axie infinity.

and I have couple of flashdrives, I have more actually. It's stored in safe places I know so if there's anything happened to my house like having my house burned on fire or robbery I will still have my keys on me.

One reason I bought another wallet (trezor one) is because of the insufficient memory capacity of my ledger nano S. I find it hard to store multiple coins in a single hardware wallet so I decided to buy Trezor one.

https://i.imgur.com/wZSnwsX.png

Thanks for taking part and showing us your hardware wallets. It's been a long time since someone did. :)
You mentioned your USB flash drives a few times. Have you by any chance stored your recovery phrase on these drives, and are those digital copies the only backups you have of your seed? Have you made proper physical backups on paper?

Yes! Recovery phrases are on those USB flash drives, I have multiple and I spread it on those sticks. I also added a layer of password that I myself only knew so that even if someone finds my usb flash drive, They can't access the seed/recovery phrases that easily. I have paper backup bundled on those flash drives I can access it incase I got into an accident that makes fall into amnesia. My instructions are designed to myself. I know I'm a bit tricky on my wallets but it's what I am.

I can say that I'm ready whenever a fire got into my house, If ever I got an amnesia, be victimized by a robbery or have floods in my house.

I just saw this thread from this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5410859.20), and I would like to show off mine. One Ledger X and One Trezor Model T

https://i.imgur.com/hN487ABl.jpg

I wanted to try these two popular wallets because they have different purposes for me. One is for managing crypto, and the other is for HODLing only. Guess which one is which  :P

It's been a while since someone decided to play. I will add your HWs to the list.
You only shared that one picture, but judging by the casings, they seem to be in good condition. I see something that looks like color residue or ink on the "Z" and "R" characters on the Trezor. How long have you had them and have you had any issues with the devices?

When you say "manage crypto" are we talking about day-to-day operations or what does that mean to you?
I hope the seeds are unique on each HW.  ;D

How would they do in a head-to-head battle? What do you like with the Trezor that you don't like with the Ledger and vice versa?

It depends on when you purchased your Nano X... If you got it in the past year or so, you've probably dealt with some of "these issues (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5358741.msg60163434#msg60163434)" due to its buggy nature so that one should be for the hodling part and the Model T for managing your cryptocurrencies on a regular basis. Did I get it right?

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I'm surprised no one has posted a review for the Nano S Plus! Should I order it for fun and make a short review?

I believe it's the other way around. I think he trusts the Trezor more than he does Ledger. So Trezor is his long-term storage device that doesn't get accessed that often, and Ledger is for smaller daily amounts, altcoins, and whatever crwth is interested in. Ledger has greater support for altcoins and more 3rd-party services and partnerships, which might fall into the "managing crypto" category.  

Maybe dkbit98 will do it, he is a big fan of the Nano franchise.

What are you going to do with it after that? Seems like a waste of money just leaving it to collect dust.
It's not recommended to purchase HWs from non-official sources, but maybe you might find someone on the forum who would be interested in purchasing a slightly used Nano S Plus after your review for a discount.

There's no color residue or anything, it's the reflection from my monitor to the HWs. My first one was the Nano X and I have been with it since the pre-pandemic stage. For the Trezor T, it's quite new. Just last year.

More of an always being used type of thing and then the other one is just like cold storage that is never touched or seldomly touched.

TBH, I really like Trezor with their feature of being able to generate a new wallet with a different phrase. As long as you remember the phrase, then it would be okay. With Ledger, I can transact using my phone, so it's easy. I think they have both strong points with different ends.

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Yeah, you pretty much got it right XD

Yes, you should order one. :p

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Well, I both use them in terms of being used but it's just that Trezor is being turned on most of the time. So I guess it's okay? I haven't fully thought about it yet  :o

As long as you have at least one seed phrase backup, in a physically different location than the Ledger, it is fine for HODL.
I would probably do the same, simply because struggling with Ledger's various problems on a daily basis seems like a huge pain.

Just make sure that after a few years of HODLing you can still access the funds, even if the Nano X decides not to turn on anymore, not to show anything on screen or having other symptoms.

Are you saying you can have multiple recovery phrases on your Trezor at the same time without having to recover from seed each time you switch between them? And is there even a "switch" that needs to be done or does the Trezor just work perfectly fine with multiple seed phrases? If that's correct, it really is a nice feature, I agree with that. So how many recovery phrases can you use simultaneously? If I have 5 different Bitcoin wallet/accounts, can each one have its own phrase? 

Here is my hardware wallet, Ledger Nano X and Trezor Model T:

https://i.ibb.co/HPCVMn9/60975015.png

The Nano X was my first hardware wallet and one of the most used. While Trezor T is for hold purposes.

I bought both because I wanted to know how to use and experiment with both. To find out the advantages and disadvantages or even combine the two hardware wallets, for example, to create a multi-signature wallet on Electrum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5392586.msg60534500#msg60534500 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5392586.msg60534500#msg60534500).

From my understanding, it creates a new wallet with every different password phrases. I'm not sure how it works completely but I'm just amazed that it could be done. I haven't fully utilized it since I didn't input a password phrase with the main wallet I'm using. It's just probably going to be handy if you are planning to hide a wallet from a person that knows you personally or something. At least that's how I think it would come in handy.

You have chosen a peculiar option in the dispute between the two camps Trezor and Ledger by combining them in use. Well, to be honest, this is a laudable solution and seems to be a safer way, although it requires a little more work /actions than if you use a device from only one manufacturer. If one company is compromised, there is no way to get access to your wallet,  and the probability of simultaneous compromise of two companies at once tends to zero.

Taking this opportunity, I would like to ask about the results of your experiment on the use of both devices. If you had to choose between Nano X and Trezor T, which hardware wallet would you prefer and why?

Are you talking about passphrases maybe? Passphrase as in an extension of your seed, aka the 25th seed word? The original 24 words of the recovery phrase remain the same, it's just the passphrase that changes if you use that feature.

This option exists with Ledger hardware wallets as well. You can unlock your passphrase-protected accounts with a secondary PIN (different from the main PIN) or by entering the whole passphrase during the login stage. 

Incoming war in 3... 2... 1 (peace :D)

Apart from considering it as a collectible item, I'll probably do some tests to prepare myself for the next time that someone like @jerry0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1152036) creates a thread with their strange questions :P

I completely agree but IIRC, few users tried selling brand new HW recently, and even though most of them were limited edition Nanos, no one seemed to be interested in purchasing them, so I'll probably have little to no chance of recouping anything.

I'll try to find some time next week to go to one of their official resellers that has a brick-and-mortar store :)

If the hardware wallet is damaged (or one manufacturer is compromised), whether it uses in a multi-signature wallet or not, a preventive action that the user can take is to have a backup seed phrase to recover if this happens.

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Nano X (hardware wallet, cables, accessories and boxes) feels more premium than Trezor T. Even though the price is lower than Trezor T.

https://i.ibb.co/4MmMzQD/60991337.jpg  https://i.ibb.co/cy3M8Lg/60991337.jpg

In addition, Ledger is sometimes quicker to add features such as Taproot address and Coin Control. Although, Trezor adds these features as well.

So far, I haven't had any issues using either of them (hopefully, it doesn't happen). If the question is which one to choose, I choose both.

FYI there are different DIY bitcoin hardware wallets displayed in this Telegram chat: t.me/DIYbitcoin

I'm most partial to the Specter DIY, then Krux. I like how Krux has several options for devices. If you want something simple, just get the Maix Amigo, but if you really want to DIY you can build the Maix Dock (soldering involved). Just need to print a case for it now! https://t.me/DIYbitcoin/4839

I know there are. I am aware of them. We have a thread on this forum with Open Source Hardware Wallets (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5288971.0) and DIY solutions are part of it. If you have a hardware wallet you built yourself, do the same as everyone else. Post a few pictures of it, give us some feedback based on your use of the device, and you can also explain how hard/easy it was for you to build it.

I know, I am aware of it. Thing is, I am not able to post pictures because I have a newb account. Otherwise I would have done the same as everyone else...

Don't worry about the pictures and your newbie account. If you want to write a review explaining a little bit about your setup, then go ahead. Make a new post, write what you want, upload the images to Imgur and place the links in your post where you would like to have those pictures visible. I will quote it for visibility, so the pictures can be seen on the forum.

Then when you rank up to Jr. Member, you can post images without restrictions. You can already place them in img quotes, and when you get promoted to a higher rank they will pop up.

Gotcha, but honestly I have built too many to share in one post that's why I shared my Telegram chat which has almost all the possible DIY bitcoin projects shared in there (pics+info). Jade, Specter DIY, Seedsigner, Krux, Bowser wallet, LetheKit, LochaMesh, etc. I usually create a thread on Twitter each time I build something to explain the process simply if anyone else wants to try.

I want to show off the hardware wallet I currently have.

1. Ledger Nano S - This hardware was given to a friend as a gift in mid-2019. This device is still working and continues to be used to HODL the bitcoins that I bought during dips or lump-sums so far.
Still in pretty good physical condition with a few scuffs but that doesn't affect anything.

2. Trezor Model One - This is purchased in 2021, this is also to store bitcoin from DCA results which I continue to do every week - month, and indeed I distinguish between buying bitcoins with lump-sum and DCA I differentiate between the two hardware wallet.

3. SafePal S1 - just bought a few days ago, this is only for altcoin needs, (sometimes I hate altcoins) but for short term I think it's fine. LOL

https://i.ibb.co/JyD3vC0/photo-2023-01-14-01-08-34.jpg

Thanks for chipping in.

This is the first SafePal device that will find its way into the table. It's quite a big product compared with the Nano S or the Trezor One. I feel like it could have been equipped with a larger screen. It kind of reminds me of a Sony digital camera I have with the buttons layout.

Any comparisons between the three products?
Does one have something you absolutely love/hate that the others are missing?
Do you feel more comfortable using one compared to the others?
What is your overall rating of the software and hardware of the wallets you own?

More exactly like the layout on Digital Sony, SafePal is also equipped with it, but it's quite elegant because it's physically wide enough because there is a screen + button + camera.

SafePal, I don't know the reason but no one else has except me, more on hardware Nano Ledger and also Trezor which I often hear when they hang out with me.

Well, I feel that the hardware of one of them includes the two hardware currently owned by Nano Ledger and Trezor while SafePal is a little hot physically when activated for more than 5 minutes, the battery runs out quickly if it's not in use or even when it's dead.
Feel comfortable Nano and Trezor.

Nano Ledger S 4/5
Trezor One 4/5
SafePal 3/5

with this post i would like to introduce you to my hw ;D
here it is, as you can easily recognize, the Ledger nano x variant. which i bought 1-2 years ago to then hold all my coins there.
the complete seed (which is immortalized on a steel plate produced by willi9974 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5323755.0)) is also very well stored.
of course both things are in two different places ;)

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/14/blob285b6b8382449ea9.png

I’ve got a decent collection of them and one I just spent an hour trying to find that I bet no one here has seen before but I can’t find the damn thing. It’s the strangest HWW I’ve ever seen.

Here’s my two most unique ones outside of that one that escapes me atm.

I showed the BTC/LTC one to Charlie Lee and I believe he said he’d never seen it, so probably pretty rare. The other is one of if not the biggest crypto ponzi ever. Pretty sure bigger than bitconnect etc. Partially why I don’t like  Ledgers..have some integrity and take 5 seconds to see if the coin you’re making a wallet for is a scam or not. It’s incredibly easy to spot them, as many of you surely know.

https://i.ibb.co/RcxCdCx/IMG-3162.jpg (https://ibb.co/KWM9S9M)
https://i.ibb.co/71s0Typ/IMG-3161.jpg (https://ibb.co/4Vh0DNS)

Same here... It reminded me of the good old days when block erupters were still a thing... I had no luck finding anything about it, but it looks exactly the same as this "crystal USB flash drive (https://www.etsy.com/au/listing/980521557/personalized-custom-3d-photo-etched-on)". Does it also glow when it's connected?

I have never seen that Crypto Guard hardware wallet before in my life. It seems like the Internet doesn't know anything about it either when you enter that name in a Google search. What do I call it? Is Crypto Guard the whole name for it? Is there a website or other source with more info about this device? I am curious what the price of it was.

I’ve got a few block erupters, the cool one is also a btc/LTC mix.

https://i.ibb.co/zJCt9KB/IMG-3169.jpg (https://ibb.co/ySKxvLZ)



If eBay didn’t decide to once again highly limit your purchase history, I’d happily tell you what I paid. I know absolutely nothing about it. I of course never used it, but I was an idiot and plugged it in my pc just to see if it lit up. Thankfully I never used that pc for anything sensitive. It was around 2015-2016 ish when I bought it.

Few fake Trezors (I don’t own them but figured I’d share). I’ll keep looking for that other one I have that’s super weird. All I can remember is it came from Germany and is a USB stick of some sort, with a page of directions written in German. Another eBay find years back.

https://i.ibb.co/2t6Qvy9/IMG-3167.jpg (https://ibb.co/DCby9tJ)
https://i.ibb.co/98YcB2k/IMG-3168.jpg (https://ibb.co/j64bqGP)

Wait, is that Crypto Guard some sort of fake/scam device or what am I missing. Was its whole purpose to infect a computer, steal sensitive information, etc.?

I have seen pictures of those before. I think those mini Trezors are Russian. Allegedly, they are based on Trezor's original code, but who knows if that is true or not. They might be genuine cheap copies of Trezor One's for the Russian market, but they may as well have malicious code in them. I have no idea if anyone ever checked the code of those devices in depth. 

Im no Mr Robot, as much as I wish I was! So it very well may have been a scamming tool. I will certainly not be sticking it in any pcs of mine (maybe my work pc..kidding).

I posted those fake (and yes Russian) wallets to the Trezor sub Reddit several years back. I’d love one for my collection, but of course I don’t support that bs. I also remember reading it apparently had their same code, but yeah who knows nor does it really matter right,

Edit : damn, can’t find shit on crypto guard via google either. I’ll have to ask Charlie about it again. I have a “master list” thread here buried in collectibles sub, it was for all things collectibles and one of my lists on is hardware wallets.  I think my list was up to 40-50 links to different wallets. I haven’t updated it in a few years , but I know at this point there’s been several hundred hardware wallets made (tho imo it’s Trezor or Cold Card ftw)

Since I have no idea if it's a genuine hardware wallet or not and Google doesn't either, I am going to remove it from the table for everyone's sake. I don't want its name up there with real hardware wallets so as not to give anyone any wrong ideas.

Perhaps there's a logo or something on the direction page that could help us trace it back to its origin...

I did manage to find an inactive crypto-related website with that name, but it used to sell one of those metal backup plates ^{[I couldn't find an earlier archive version from the time you purchased it, but perhaps they were selling such things in the past]}:

• MyCryptoGuard.com (http://web.archive.org/web/20230224183600/https://www.mycryptoguard.com/) ^{[it's being redirected from CryptoGuard.me and they seemed to be from Switzerland and AFAIK, German is one of its official languages (does any of these websites ring any bells?)]}

Unfortunately, it doesn't mention anything about Crypto Guard: Collectibles/Wallets/NFTs/News- Master Website List (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5124662.0)

I've invested some time looking for anything related with this wallet and the only thing that I was able to find out is this[1] ebay.nl listing showing the same product that Chi purchased:
Sadly the listing doesn't exists anymore, and I'm not able to find the listing seller as there isn't any archived page on WayBackMachine as well...

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[1]https://www.ebay.nl/itm/BITCOIN-LITECOIN-CRYPTO-GUARD-PASSWORD-PROTECT-HARDWARE-WALLET-USB-THUMBDRIVE/392893014585 (https://www.ebay.nl/itm/BITCOIN-LITECOIN-CRYPTO-GUARD-PASSWORD-PROTECT-HARDWARE-WALLET-USB-THUMBDRIVE/392893014585)

OP- what are your exact plans for this "project"...to just list recommended wallets?  Might be nice to have a section for wallets NOT recommended?

I've got other wallets I'll share with you soon to help build your list.  Still kinda need to know your criteria, but I'm happy to start helping lend a hand with this..I like the idea of what you're doing here!


From my ebay "buy again" list.. (nothing safer they say lol)
https://i.ibb.co/JQg2hXR/1.jpg (https://ibb.co/RydP5Lp)
https://i.ibb.co/rFFmTtx/12.jpg (https://ibb.co/ckk1Mv6)

The idea was never to offer a list of recommended or non-recommended wallets. There are already such collections, like Ratimov's [BIG LIST] Hardware wallets (80+) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5282364.0) or our regularly updated Croatian version, [VELIKA LISTA] Hardverski novčanici (80+). (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5285324.0) I was just interested in finding out what hardware wallets users of Bitcointalk use, why, and how they look.

What is that thing even? Somehow it seems that it is only a password protected USB Drive, that has some kind of software on it?
In any case it is a very cool collectors item and one of the hardware wallets the average user should clearly avoid.

https://i.ibb.co/kyQ3Q0T/IMG-3260.jpg (https://ibb.co/SxRQR0g)

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/crypto-guard-x2-litecoin-bitcoin-1883061188


Edit: thx for clarifying things btw.

It's interesting that the Crypto Guard box refers to the device as a hardware wallet, while the site you linked to calls it a device for password-protecting private keys. I guess it can be considered as both. it generates its own public and private key pairs, but the question is how secure all that is? Despite not being expensive, it's safe to say that the device never became popular, as there is almost no information about it anywhere.   

I certainly will never be using it.  But I was hoping that someone here had used it before or at least knew of it.  Well, it's a good thing in terms of collector value that it's so unknown.. glad I picked it up!

I've got a few other wallets I use or have used yet to post, will do when I get a chance to dig them up.

I don't think you will have much luck in that department. When Google struggles finding any newsworthy information about it, I doubt you will find people with any experience with that particular brand on the forum. It's worth a try though.
Maybe you can send it to hardware hacker Joe Grand (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5432116.0) and have him work on it trying to break it and check it for vulnerabilities.

Sure. I am interested in what else you have, especially if it's something I have never seen before like this Crypto Guard thingy.

Adding one more collection of Nano Ledger X (Betnomi) purchased from GazetaBitcoin.  8)

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/25/Screenshot_11000e2c36a35d86473.png

Looks like the devices Betnomi is/was giving away in their free raffles. Is it?
Whatever you do, don't upgrade to the latest firmware to install the seed-sharing code.

Does the cover of the Nano S in your picture have a pinkish color, or is that a reflection from your computer screen, background, or something?
This is your fourth HW you have posted a picture for. That makes you the leader in this category.  ;)

GazetaBitcoin won a free raffle sponsored by Betnomi he had some hardware he won he offered it to me then I bought it. Very happy to deal with him. ;)

I will not update this firmware it will remain the old version as default.

It's the Betnomi logo but it knows light reflections so it can't be seen clearly. :D
This is the box received before unpacking.

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/24/photo_2023-05-24_15-45-194fc7f3948e622a87.jpeg

But will NOT updating the firmware to the latest version help? We don't know if this feature was built or was not into earlier versions a hundred to one.

I can't say for sure, but perhaps NOT using ledger live will also help minimize the chance of losing the seed phrase.

In general, this is a rather bold act after all the unpleasant events to buy a Nano Ledger X. Perhaps following certain precautions will allow you to safely use this device.

I probably would not have opened the package and kept the personalized device from the Betnomi company as a collector's item. I probably will when I win a similar box (if I ever win at all) :).


In general, I expected that this topic could turn into "Show off your broken by hammer hardware wallet". :)

No one can tell for sure. All we know is that Ledger announced it now with its most recent firmware making the code for such actions available, and then they put the implementation on hold as they got bombarded with negative comments.   

You must use it for the initial onboarding, seed creation, and app installations. You don't need to add accounts in Ledger Live and have it scan for balances, though.

I don't want to see that here. All kinds of discussions, positive and negative, are always welcome, but I don't want the thread to turn into a freak show with pictures like that. I self-moderate it and would delete that when I see it.

We know a little more.

Ledger has gone on record saying that they have always had the ability to pull seed phrase from users' devices.

"Technically speaking it is always has been possible to write firmware that facilitates key extraction." - here's what they said.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5452900.msg62260073#msg62260073

It turns out that in earlier firmware this function could also be.

One thing I can say is that it would be possible to find answers to all questions only after a detailed analysis of the code, but as you know, this is impossible and this is a completely different topic for discussion.

If there was at least some confidence that these actions can help secure your wallet. Everything rests on faith and hope, which is unacceptable in the case of finances.

It was a joke. Of course, this topic is not intended for this and it would be completely inappropriate to post broken devices. I fully understand you and support your position.

Assuming they had the appropriate code ready and part of earlier firmware versions. That begs the question, why would they not tell people about it earlier? Or the even more important question, if they were trying to hide having that code, why would they announce it now (at all)? 

Faith + Hope = Trust. You always needed trust in Ledger because of their closed-source nature, and that's the tradeoff people who purchased their hardware made. But Ledger Recover is a next-level craziness that should never have happened.

I actually expected a bigger response and more questions from the wider community of all hardware wallet users following the knowledge that secure elements aren't safe enclosures for private keys. They are only safe if the developers decide to make them safe, which doesn't have to be the case as we saw with Ledger Recover. For now, everyone seems content watching the Ledger (and now Safepal) forests burn, hoping the fire won't spread to their trees. 

Well, after I learned a very important and rather expensive lesson (loss of almost the entire portfolio), I urgently decided to buy a hardware wallet. Fortunately for me, Ledger was not available at that time, so I decided on Trezor One, which I received in the shortest possible time.

A few months ago I won a Ledger Nano-X in the Betnomi raffle, I thought it was great, to familiarize myself with this piece of hardware, and then give it as a gift (plus some funds on there) to my niece. Unfortunately, it will now be just a useless toy.

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This is a temporary solution, but there are various doubts here.
How can we trust them that these messes with seeds were not implemented earlier, do we have any reliable info about it?
What can also be a concern, earlier they showed some very bad tendencies when it comes to the firmware update. I remember a case where at some point it was no longer possible to update the firmware from a certain version, Can we count on them that they will be more considerate in the future?
This Need help updating old Ledger Nano S firmware 1.2 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5150918.0)

Because had the ledger told it earlier, the current shitstorm would have happened even then. And these are serious reputational losses, loss of customers and profits. It is clear that not a single manufacturer will agree to such an action unless absolutely necessary, which happened to this company.

Ledger has now announced this in an attempt to rehabilitate itself in the eyes of the crypto community after its resonant failure. They try to emphasize that "Look, there was a possibility to take seed phrases before, but we didn't touch it. It means we can be trusted." With the help of this recognition, the illusion of reliability of the company is created. Like if they didn't take advantage of it before, it won't happen in the future either. That's just to believe in this can only be completely not smart people.

I have only one question for them: why did the ledger introduce this code at all?

I see this as intent on their part. Intent directed against their clients.

I'm sorry to digress from the original topic, but you asked me questions and I was obliged to answer it.

As it turned out, the ledger neglected the trust of customers and even abused it. Now it's so obvious.
 
Craziness with Ledger Recover nevertheless happened (sorry, the implementation is delayed for a while) and now it becomes curious, but what new craziness are they preparing for the future? From ledger now you can expect anything.


Why useless toy. I suppose if you already have this device, then you can continue to use it. But with reservations, like keeping only small amounts for the same small expenses. Of course, any long-term cypto hold is out of the question.

Another option: leave this device in case of a $5 attack with a wrench - give this wallet in case of threats with a certain amount of money to get off with little blood.

Since the Nano X is no longer with you, I will add only the Trezor One to your name in the table.

No, we don't. All we know is that they decided to tell us about the feature for the latest Nano X firmware upgrade, and that such information was never announced before.

The newest Nano X firmware is 2.2.1, and that should be the one the introduces the code for Ledger Recover. If you don't want that code on your device, don't upgrade the firmware and keep using the one you have now. The same applies to any further firmware upgrades. You can no longer upgrade your Nano X ever. Each future update will install that code.

You'll have to make do with the firmware version you have now, and hope it will remain functional for as long as possible.
You won't benefit from any future bug/vulnerability fixes, improvements, or new features either.

Even Andreas said he would continue to use his Ledger in the latest video where he discusses Ledger Recover with Jameson Lopp. I think he said he uses it for "operational costs". 

Finally..I believe this is German, going to ask my German buddy for brief translation.

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The pictures say that coinfriend was an exchange that had its own mining farm. They allowed you to purchase crypto and top up a crypto debit card directly. There is no mention of that hardware device, though. Looks like a USB-type of device. Does it even have a screen or buttons? What's the thing called?

The two sites in the pictures aren't live any longer. Wayback Machine has no achieves of coinfriend.eu. bitcoinwalletcards.com has been achieved several times. Under the hardware wallet section on one archive, I found two entries. One is called CardwalletBTC – Android App for Bitcoin Hardware Wallet Card and the other Bitcoin Hardware Wallet Card for Android App CardwalletBTC.

It seems like the same thing, just called differently. The product descriptions talk about a card and an app you can use at ATMs or to make online transactions. Doesn't help to figure out what that thing is.

Did some deep digging and it’s very hard to find info, First, no buttons or screens or anything. These guys seem to have been early in the game. One way I know is this - https://www.slideshare.net/cryptocoinwalletcards/bitcoin-walletcards .  So BitBills are the first ever physically held bitcoin. They tried to patent physical bitcoins and threatened legal action against the likes of Mike Caldwell/Casascius and now I’m seeing these guys got threatened too. Gavin created the idea of physical btc, so BitBills was denied patent. It was amazing that so many thought it wasn’t possible. I believe I remember Theymos saying it would never happen, which the guy helped Satosh build up btc, he knows a few things lol..crazy how far everything has come.

I did find a few links on Amazon for these cards. One was IOTA, sold out, the other btc that was sold out of Germany but sold in Japanese currency. I’m in the US and they won’t ship to me. It’s all weird but interesting. Will keep digging.

It's interesting. Nevertheless, that's not a hardware wallet. We could refer to them as paper wallets in card format. A type of cold storage maybe, but not a hardware wallet. I would like this thread to be solely about hardware wallets, past and future. Preferably, devices that are still in use by Bitcointalk users.

Does anyone else have a hardware wallet they would like to show the community at Bitcointalk? Let's try to revive this thread a little. ;D
I am particularly interested in seeing images of some genuine DYI devices. I know that some users here have those, so don't be shy and let's see them.