Show off your hardware wallet

[Pmalek]

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I am now absolutely certain that you have to create an account and be logged in to Taobao to be able to browse the marketplace properly. If you go to their homepage and enter any search field, the same thing happens. The site asks you to log in. Even if you select one of the items on the left, you still won't be able to see them. Just make an account and I am sure it will work.

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[dkbit98]

The Alibaba link works just fine, but I can't get the Taobao link to work on my end. Does it work for you or are you redirected to the homepage and asked to register or sign in? Maybe they have geographical restrictions or require that you are logged in to view their offer.

Last time I checked you need to use some proxy websites to order stuff from Taobao if you live outside China, but I am not sure if you can find all products like that.
Maybe some Chinese friends could send this product directly, but no need for that if Alibaba and other websites offer the same stuff.

So I guess, my only option is to get in touch to our local shop and ask if the product is available for sale or buy the product from Alibaba and shoulder the shipping fee where the price is double of the product being ordered.

Contact the seller with that display and ask him directly if he has the same display with 12 pins.
I didn't do deeper search on internet, but other than Alibana, you can try Aliexpress, Ebay, Amazon or something similar.
I found one more website with same display but thy only sell minimum 1000 pieces.

[m2017]

Is this OLED LCD the same from the link you link you've sent?
- https://shopee.ph/product/132041196/2173800629?smtt=0.15159935-1642488042.9&fbclid=IwAR0h8C--d35rfxK01OL3q3yMtTh3bpWFPEC7bQDHRIqszQ1_5MWlZaKYFX8

You need to buy exact display model that ledger is using so it's best to copy exact name and search online and offline in your local shops.

All you need is to use this phrases when you search to buy display:
0.91"128x32 OLED Display, SSD1306Z, P12832-2-B12P091, 12 PINS.

Model that you posted looks very similar but connector may be different.
Following this video instructions I see that he used Display with 12 PINS and there is direct link on Taobao website for that.
Display is probably the same on all websites but cable connections can have different number of pins.

On second video I found a link to Alibaba website selling this same display with 12 pins.
Maybe you can ask sellers in shopee.ph website to tell you if they sell 12 pin version.

Why not use another option?
You can search on Internet websites, like ebay, for exactly the same original faulty devices. Disassemble and take the parts need, that is, use them as donors of spare parts, such as the display that you need.

Viruses and malware cannot appear in the display and in the loop, can they

Found this ad in a quick search: https://www.ebay.com/itm/353858802555?hash=item5263a0d37b:g:Jb8AAOSw6plh4sNr
The current bid price is 1 EU.

P.S. I have nothing to do with this lot and the seller. My advice is advisory. All risk and responsibility rests with the buyer.

Also, I noticed that there are no lots with spare parts for Ledger devices on ebay, for example, displays, cases, buttons. Take note, sellers and do not thank for the suggested business model .

[Pmalek]

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On the surface, it doesn't look like a bad idea. But I wouldn't want a random person and seller on Ebay to know that I am looking to buy his broken hardware wallet. Sure, he can't know that I need it for spare parts, but still. There probably aren't that many people who buy hardware wallets (new or old and broken) who are not involved with crypto in one way or the other. Maybe there are some who buy them, fix them, and sell them as used. But you are always taught not to purchase second-hand HW, so I don't believe there is a big market for them. Unless you ship it to a PO box, I don't want to order cryptocurrency wallets to my home address. Dealing with big companies and wholesale services is a bit different.

I am not aware of any vulnerabilities and backdoors that can be inserted and connected to the display. The chips and board are a different matter though, and you shouldn't use those parts unless purchased from official shops.

[dkbit98]

Why not use another option?
You can search on Internet websites, like ebay, for exactly the same original faulty devices. Disassemble and take the parts need, that is, use them as donors of spare parts, such as the display that you need.

It makes no sense to do that and pay multiple times higher price for something that will again get dim soon, display for all devices goes dim after few years of usage.
Price of new display is less than 2 dollars, and I doubt you can find broken ledger with same price, those ebay auctions will get higher price than 1 Eur for sure, plus you have to count shipping cost if they even ship outside Germany.
More important is security and would you want to reveal to someone that you purchased ledger over Ebay or not.
Ordering New part from Alibaba is not saying anyone that you own Ledger, because this display is used in other other devices, not just for ledger hw.

Also, I noticed that there are no lots with spare parts for Ledger devices on ebay, for example, displays, cases, buttons. Take note, sellers and do not thank for the suggested business model .

Sure there are a lot of spare parts because those devices breaks very easy, and they are very low quality  100% made in China.
They do however have good marketing and they sold millions of devices unfortunately

[HCP]

Apologies for not replying sooner... work+real life etc etc

- I don't really use the BitHD Razor due to the somewhat annoying custom cable adapter (it's too thin for a standard USB port) and having to use Bitpie wallet app.

Thick? It doesn't fit into a standard USB port? What kind of cable does the BitHD Razor use and how do you overcome this hurdle?

No, I meant the wallet itself is too thin to contain a standard USB port (and by "standard" I meant microUSB or USB-C)

The device really is quite thin:



It uses an adapter called the "blade", which you plug a MicroUSB cable into... it's just a bit fiddly and annoying.

If you had to do a head2head comparison between the Trezor One and the Nano S, which one would come on top after all these years of usage, but also looking their features and those elements that are important for you personally?

Good question... I would probably side with the Nano S, only because of the security flaw in the Trezor which absolutely requires that you use the passphrase functionality. But it's still very very close, like 51% Ledger S, 49% Trezor One... they really are very similar in performance and features.

I'm liking the new native Trezor Suite though.

[n0nce]

The Alibaba link works just fine, but I can't get the Taobao link to work on my end. Does it work for you or are you redirected to the homepage and asked to register or sign in? Maybe they have geographical restrictions or require that you are logged in to view their offer.

Last time I checked you need to use some proxy websites to order stuff from Taobao if you live outside China, but I am not sure if you can find all products like that.
Maybe some Chinese friends could send this product directly, but no need for that if Alibaba and other websites offer the same stuff.

That's correct; I think you could register on Taobao with a US (or other) phone number, but from what I remember it requires phone number, which I'm not willing to give (opposed to a one-time email address, for example). And they wouldn't ship outside China, probably, anyway. These proxies work very well. You can search in them as well, not sure though if they show all results.

But if you find / get a direct link to a product (such as the one posted earlier), you're just going to paste it into the proxy website, which then shows you a translated and currency-converted product page. When you proceed to order the item, it will be shipped to the proxy. After a few days, you get an E-Mail that you need to take action (or something like that). You also get some images of what was delivered to them; then you can give them your delivery address and even instruct what value they should declare (in case of tax / customs questions). This is important: they charge again for the 'second shipping' (this wasn't clear to me when I first used such a proxy) from the proxy to you. One thing to keep in mind.

In the end, I find it more practical to buy local or through AliExpress if something is only available from China. But proxy does work (e.g. Superbuy) quite well.

Good question... I would probably side with the Nano S, only because of the security flaw in the Trezor which absolutely requires that you use the passphrase functionality. But it's still very very close, like 51% Ledger S, 49% Trezor One... they really are very similar in performance and features.

Do you mean that it has no secure chip? So you can attack with glitching and read out the seed?


It really depends what your attacker model is. Of course, this is possible with any wallet that has no secure element, that's a choice you make when you buy the device. It wasn't attacked for a few years, but that never meant it was secure against this type of attack, just nobody had done it so far. To me, it was always obvious something like this would be possible if you have no secure element.

[dkbit98]

It uses an adapter called the "blade", which you plug a MicroUSB cable into... it's just a bit fiddly and annoying.

I was just looking online to buy some adapters, and I think that Type C is going to be standard for some time, with USB 4.0 protocol coming soon. 
It's crazy if you compare speed and data transfer evolution from USB 1.0 to USB 4.0, but I don't think we need super high speeds for hardware wallets.
Ideally we don't want to have any cable connection between computer and hardware wallet, that is why I love airgapped devices that don't need to use internet or cables.

That's correct; I think you could register on Taobao with a US (or other) phone number, but from what I remember it requires phone number, which I'm not willing to give (opposed to a one-time email address, for example). And they wouldn't ship outside China, probably, anyway. These proxies work very well. You can search in them as well, not sure though if they show all results.

So I guess you used Taobao website for purchasing with proxy before, and it's true that you can find anything there, but I found other good alternatives when I needed to buy something few years ago.
Topic of ordering stuff online is very important, and I think renting PO box or alternative delivery address is perfect solution for that, even better if you can use alternative name or alias (not possible in all countries).
It's scary how much data and personal information we leave online all the time, especially with anything related with bitcoin.

[HCP]

Do you mean that it has no secure chip? So you can attack with glitching and read out the seed?

Yeah... otherwise, they're both very good devices for someone who just needs a "basic" hardware wallet to store a couple of different coins and doesn't want to spend huge amounts of money. They are kind of like the Toyota Corolla of hardware wallets, just reliable devices that get the job done without being too flashy or expensive.

Like I said, they're both very very similar, and I'd probably pick the Trezor if my use case was slightly different. For instance, if I was a regular trader that used multiple different coins then swapping the coin apps on the Ledger would probably get annoying after a while... but I have don't really use altcoins that often, and I can fit all the coin apps I need on the device.

I know a lot of people have had issues with the Ledger Nano X, and they had the data leak (which thankfully didn't really affect me), but my Nano S has been a solid little device that gets the job done. It's just a shame that Ledger shot themselves in both feet with a lot of their business decisions and communications (or lack thereof).

[n0nce]

That's correct; I think you could register on Taobao with a US (or other) phone number, but from what I remember it requires phone number, which I'm not willing to give (opposed to a one-time email address, for example). And they wouldn't ship outside China, probably, anyway. These proxies work very well. You can search in them as well, not sure though if they show all results.

So I guess you used Taobao website for purchasing with proxy before, and it's true that you can find anything there, but I found other good alternatives when I needed to buy something few years ago.
Topic of ordering stuff online is very important, and I think renting PO box or alternative delivery address is perfect solution for that, even better if you can use alternative name or alias (not possible in all countries).
It's scary how much data and personal information we leave online all the time, especially with anything related with bitcoin.

Yeah, I did order there once using Superbuy. The topic of anonymously receiving packages is definitely interesting. One more topic that would fit best into the recently suggested 'cybersecurity' or maybe better 'security & privacy' subforum. I doubt it will happen though since we should use Off-topic or another highly spammed board instead, probably.

I know a lot of people have had issues with the Ledger Nano X, and they had the data leak (which thankfully didn't really affect me), but my Nano S has been a solid little device that gets the job done. It's just a shame that Ledger shot themselves in both feet with a lot of their business decisions and communications (or lack thereof).

I mean, I agree! If it works, it works, all good! It should always be commended if someone likes a product from a company but is still able to rationally critique another product, a new business decision or new direction the company is steering towards.
I'd just recommend you making sure you have seed word backup(s) and maybe get a replacement screen since this was so recently the topic, just in case. It can be so annoying to order a spare part and wait for 1-2 months, then better shelf some common items such as resistors, capacitors, USB sockets and in this case, screens.

[dkbit98]

Yeah, I did order there once using Superbuy. The topic of anonymously receiving packages is definitely interesting. One more topic that would fit best into the recently suggested 'cybersecurity' or maybe better 'security & privacy' subforum. I doubt it will happen though since we should use Off-topic or another highly spammed board instead, probably.

This topic could be related with Bitcointalk forum and best way to receiving packages from other forum members in most secure and private way, so it won't have to be in off-topic section.
I was thinking about this after I saw one of the BitcoinTalkShow video, when they announced winners will receive unique rewards, custom t-shirts, etc.
My idea is the we could all receive some kind of anonymous bitcointalk passport, or maybe we could print them ourselves, and sign a message to confirm we are the owners of them forum profile and passport.
I know could sounds crazy to some people, but I think this could be much better and have big value one day, than all this NFT bs.

Something like this, but for Bitcointalk forum:


https://www.citizensofbitcoin.com/btc-passport-index/

[n0nce]

Yeah, I did order there once using Superbuy. The topic of anonymously receiving packages is definitely interesting. One more topic that would fit best into the recently suggested 'cybersecurity' or maybe better 'security & privacy' subforum. I doubt it will happen though since we should use Off-topic or another highly spammed board instead, probably.

This topic could be related with Bitcointalk forum and best way to receiving packages from other forum members in most secure and private way, so it won't have to be in off-topic section.

True, good idea! And legit question as well; especially for buying / selling items like mining equipment or similar. I also wondered about privacy after the BitcoinTalkShow video.

My idea is the we could all receive some kind of anonymous bitcointalk passport, or maybe we could print them ourselves, and sign a message to confirm we are the owners of them forum profile and passport.

What for though?

[dkbit98]

What for though?

What for are people buying all those worthless jpg NFT images?
Bitcointalk passport could be cool collectible and proof that I was a member of this forum, without directly exposing my identity to forum, so I can show off my passport to grandkids one day... both physical or digital.
Maybe it can even serve as some kind of paper wallet.

[aoluain]

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Interesting Idea!

I use both Trezor and Ledger hardware wallets. I have them both for over 2 years
and both work perfectly still ^{or since I last used them anyway}.

I use the Ledger Nano more often for coins in and coins out and the Trezor
is for HODL coins and so lives out of sight in the dark crevasses of the house
with some 'hook & loop' tape to fix it there . The Ledger lives in a  drawer with
other random USB's and stuff.

[Pmalek]

I use both Trezor and Ledger hardware wallets. I have them both for over 2 years
and both work perfectly still ^{or since I last used them anyway}.

My eyes went straight to the picture before reading your post and I thought, how many Ledger's does this guy have? Those three silver USBs on the top kind of look like the Nano S. The one next to the blue Verbatim USB is also similar but the sticker gives it away. I will put you down for 1 Trezor One and 1 Ledger Nano S.

[Pmalek]

The Ledger Nano S is still the leader among those who have posted in this thread to show of their hardware wallets. It's been a couple of months since anyone made a new post, have there been any new purchases that you would like to show the users of Bitcointalk? Tell us about your experience and show a couple of pictures.

[n0nce]

The Ledger Nano S is still the leader among those who have posted in this thread to show of their hardware wallets. It's been a couple of months since anyone made a new post, have there been any new purchases that you would like to show the users of Bitcointalk? Tell us about your experience and show a couple of pictures.

The images of my Foundation Passport can be found here:

I still use it and I'll make another thread for Passport v2, my latest hardware wallet purchase, once it arrives.

About other devices that I own / owned / use / used, I prefer to keep the information I share to a minimum for obvious reasons of operations security..

[Pmalek]

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All right, so we have our first Foundation Passport HW added to the list. A very interesting hardware wallet I wouldn't mind testing out if it weren't for the bad battery life and the fact that it's produced in the USA making it quite expensive to ship and import in Europe. Batch 2 should fix the battery problems, but unless Foundation starts working with a EU based distributor, it won't be an attractive purchase. At least not for me personally.  

How happy are you with it so far?

[LTU_btc]

All right, so we have our first Foundation Passport HW added to the list. A very interesting hardware wallet I wouldn't mind testing out if it weren't for the bad battery life and the fact that it's produced in the USA making it quite expensive to ship and import in Europe. Batch 2 should fix the battery problems, but unless Foundation starts working with a EU based distributor, it won't be an attractive purchase. At least not for me personally.  

How happy are you with it so far?

There was thread about this wallet and I remember that we tried to predict what price of this wallet will be. There was predictions in range between $500-1000, I predicted $250, so I was more close to real price. Initially it was $299, later $199. Still, expensive compared with other wallets. And yeah, interesting how much it would cost to get it delivered to EU with shipping and import duties.

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Interesting Idea!

I use both Trezor and Ledger hardware wallets. I have them both for over 2 years
and both work perfectly still ^{or since I last used them anyway}.

I use the Ledger Nano more often for coins in and coins out and the Trezor
is for HODL coins and so lives out of sight in the dark crevasses of the house
with some 'hook & loop' tape to fix it there . The Ledger lives in a  drawer with
other random USB's and stuff.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-e1hk8o3Ao9k/YfJH5M_kOMI/AAAAAAAAA4M/hFk0tGV8elUAUZv-589bj7E0ZzqyHBsjQCNcBGAsYHQ/s1600/1643268066851619-0.png

I noticed your post just now and I also thought why someone would need to so many hardware wallets . But that's just many USB keys and one Ledger. And this Verbatim USB - now you bring me memories maybe 15 years back when my home was full of Verbatim CD-R's with movies and games .

[n0nce]

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All right, so we have our first Foundation Passport HW added to the list. A very interesting hardware wallet I wouldn't mind testing out if it weren't for the bad battery life and the fact that it's produced in the USA making it quite expensive to ship and import in Europe. Batch 2 should fix the battery problems, but unless Foundation starts working with a EU based distributor, it won't be an attractive purchase. At least not for me personally.   

How happy are you with it so far?

Regarding the battery life, it was very annoying at the start (seed backup takes some time, i.e. battery drain as well as my intensive testing), however in daily usage it drains pretty slowly.

I actually have a little update on the 'battery situation'. After having bought a huge pack of Alkaline batteries (40 or so), I've only used 2 of them so far and switched to number 3 & 4 a while ago. If you just turn it on, verify an address and turn it back off, it (understandably - but still) uses very very little energy and you can use it regularly without swapping batteries much. It also doesn't drain them at all if you leave them in when powered down (I had the suspicion there was a little power draw while turned off but I was wrong).
So it's not as bad as it first seemed, but it's still clear they messed up the circuitry; Foundation honestly admitted themselves they found this problem too late & had to 'quick fix' it by telling people to buy expensive Lithium batteries. I expect this to be much better on v2, let's see if the device meets expectations.

They actually do have a distributor; v1 was available through BTCDirect. However the price is similar to importing yourself so I prefer that.
Here's a list of all resellers: https://foundationdevices.com/resellers/

It's currently one of my most frequently used wallets, probably only second to a software wallet.