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Title: [POV] War in Ukraine
Post by: icopress on March 01, 2022, 02:57:40 AM
I think and speak Russian, but that doesn't stop me from feeling like a Ukrainian. A few days ago I already wrote (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5382794.msg59377794#msg59377794) about how these events affected me, and therefore, in order for you to understand my feelings, I marked my approximate location on the map (wikipediamap (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine.svg) for February 28 is reliable).

At the moment, the situation is quite complicated, especially considering the fact that there is an active nuclear power plant very close by, which is probably why the residents of the Mykolaiv region are no less alarmed than the residents of Kyiv or Mariupol, (dry law, and a 12-hour curfew).

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But despite the complexity of the situation, I am quite optimistic, and I'll explain why:

  • Over the past 8 years, the Ukrainian army has felt real support from the state and the world community. The Ukrainian army is very motivated, since we are on our own land, + the salaries of military personnel have been raised four times. As a result, in just 4 days, on a voluntary basis, 100k people with real combat experience were at the disposal of the general headquarters, (there are currently about 400k reservists in ukraine with combat experience).
  • We have problems with aviation and navy, but this is compensated by the fact that our ground forces are the equivalent of Russian ground forces (let's be objective, Putin cannot afford to expose his eastern flanks, on the border with China).
  • 15 million people are engaged in logistics support for military personnel, this is probably the main reason why Russia never managed to capture almost a single major regional center. I think such cohesion is also connected with the fact that for the first time in the history of Ukraine we have a president who, even before the war, was able to unite both the Ukrainian-speaking population and the Russian-speaking people, (previously, the president has always been a person representing only one of the ethnic groups).

It is sad that those who have no idea what ideas they are fighting for are dying on our land, and these figures clearly show our determination:

  • It also affects the fact that, in addition to defensive structures, mobile groups operate in each settlement
  • Moving into the depths of Ukraine, the columns of Russian equipment are divided into smaller groups.

Code:
Aircraft and helicopters 380
Tanks 1300
Armored vehicles 3220
Guns and rocket artillery 200
Automotive equipment 660
drone 100
Air defense systems 95
About 29,000 personnel (wounded and dead)

Ukrainian losses are not known, but I can say that over the past 24 hours, 115 people have been admitted to the hospitals of my city. Yes, our hospitals are receiving hundreds of wounded, but the most amazing thing is that all the empty freezers that were previously delivered were filled in just a few hours.

Tomorrow I will think about where to find a car to deliver my freezer (to store donated blood). [...]


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
Post by: franky1 on March 01, 2022, 04:48:25 AM
is there any local businesses that do deliveries in the area that accept bitcoin. and i mean legit businesses.
(not shoddy phishing sites set up in the last month)
whereby people can just buy stuff on the website

where you can post some legit shelters/settlement points, hospitals physical addresses(legit charitable orgs),  etc and use the shelter/hospital delivery address as the destination of the goods, so then get it delivered to shelters/hospitals direct



Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
Post by: KingScorpio on March 01, 2022, 10:18:41 AM
I think and speak Russian, but that doesn't stop me from feeling like a Ukrainian. A few days ago I already wrote (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5382794.msg59377794#msg59377794) about how these events affected me, and therefore, in order for you to understand my feelings, I marked my approximate location on the map (wikipediamap (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine.svg) for February 28 is reliable).

At the moment, the situation is quite complicated, especially considering the fact that there is an active nuclear power plant very close by, which is probably why the residents of the Mykolaiv region are no less alarmed than the residents of Kyiv or Mariupol, (dry law, and a 12-hour curfew).

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But despite the complexity of the situation, I am quite optimistic, and I'll explain why:

  • Over the past 8 years, the Ukrainian army has felt real support from the state and the world community. The Ukrainian army is very motivated, since we are on our own land, + the salaries of military personnel have been raised four times. As a result, in just 4 days, on a voluntary basis, 100k people with real combat experience were at the disposal of the general headquarters, (there are currently about 400k reservists in ukraine with combat experience).
  • We have problems with aviation and navy, but this is compensated by the fact that our ground forces are the equivalent of Russian ground forces (let's be objective, Putin cannot afford to expose his eastern flanks, on the border with China).
  • 15 million people are engaged in logistics support for military personnel, this is probably the main reason why Russia never managed to capture almost a single major regional center. I think such cohesion is also connected with the fact that for the first time in the history of Ukraine we have a president who, even before the war, was able to unite both the Ukrainian-speaking population and the Russian-speaking people, (previously, the president has always been a person representing only one of the ethnic groups).

It is sad that those who have no idea what ideas they are fighting for are dying on our land, and these figures clearly show our determination:

  • It also affects the fact that, in addition to defensive structures, mobile groups operate in each settlement
  • Moving into the depths of Ukraine, the columns of Russian equipment are divided into smaller groups.

Code:
Aircraft and helicopters 41
Tanks 180
Armored vehicles 816
Guns and rocket artillery 74
Automotive equipment 351
drone 3
Air defense systems 6
About 5,000 personnel (wounded and dead)

Ukrainian losses are not known, but I can say that over the past 24 hours, 115 people have been admitted to the hospitals of my city. Yes, our hospitals are receiving hundreds of wounded, but the most amazing thing is that all the empty freezers that were previously delivered were filled in just a few hours.

Tomorrow I will think about where to find a car to deliver my freezer (to store donated blood). [...]

there was no ukraine invasion the military operation was executed to catch the ukranian regime that violated human rights,

there was an issue like that in georgia where sout ossetians got discriminated,

and there is now an issue, where russians have been discrminated by those that where in charge.
the ukranians invested nothing into the russian speaking regions of ukraine and focused all the investments on ukrainian speaking region, through that they effectively run a genocide.


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
Post by: TopTort777 on March 01, 2022, 10:33:56 AM
there was no ukraine invasion the military operation was executed to catch the ukranian regime that violated human rights,

there was an issue like that in georgia where sout ossetians got discriminated,

and there is now an issue, where russians have been discrminated by those that where in charge.
the ukranians invested nothing into the russian speaking regions of ukraine and focused all the investments on ukrainian speaking region, through that they effectively run a genocide.

You might be true, but that does not give anyone rights to sit down the tank and go for negotiations. You know, kids in kindergarten are taught to solve all conflicts by words and not by fists (at least in my country). Using weapons is least smart move to make to solve a conflict. We are not in medieval where strongest and richest has more rights.

My position - every conflict must be solved through negotiations. If talking once is not enough, parties must talk second time, third, hundred, million times. You don't need to be smart to take out sword and start a fight. But those who talk and still win, are smart. Maybe it is easier to say than to do it. But that is how things should be done in modern world. Otherwise we will be thrown back to medieval times.


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
Post by: tvbcof on March 01, 2022, 12:01:39 PM

Kinda matches the footage of the tank running over the car.  Untrained operator.

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/m0vYWRq8GNUP/ (https://www.bitchute.com/video/m0vYWRq8GNUP/)

More footage from Kiev just for fun:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaQI8g4NJoI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaQI8g4NJoI)

Honestly, something seemed just a little off to me at certain times in the 'on the ground' civi person's report.  If he's a crisis actor or whatever, he's certainly more talented than most of the ones used by the West, but still not quite perfect.



Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
Post by: coolcoinz on March 01, 2022, 01:14:40 PM
there was no ukraine invasion the military operation was executed to catch the ukranian regime that violated human rights,

Nice euphemism. Not an invasion but a military operation.
I'm pretty sure when Wehrmacht entered Poland it was also a military operation, not an invasion to them. When the US went to Vietnam it was also a military operation. Does it change anything?
Civilians are being shot at, shelled, bombarded, their houses burn, their children bleed. Stop spreading Putin's propaganda and accept the facts. They are using artillery and planes to bombard residential areas and lying to their own citizens saying that they're using precise strikes and targeting only military objects. Russia is one big joke starting from their lying politicians and ending with their junk equipment and lack of supply lines.

Yesterday some Russian soldiers run out of fuel and went to a police station to ask for some. Of course they were captured and disarmed. The stupidity of the Russian army has no limit.


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
Post by: suchmoon on March 01, 2022, 01:37:23 PM
Yesterday some Russian soldiers run out of fuel and went to a police station to ask for some. Of course they were captured and disarmed. The stupidity of the Russian army has no limit.

Most of those kids don't even know where they are and what they're doing. They probably think that the population (and the police etc) are on their side and they're just fighting some random "nazis". They got a good deal here though, being a POW in this war is probably a lot better than most other outcomes.


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
Post by: paxmao on March 01, 2022, 02:08:30 PM
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there was no ukraine invasion the military operation was executed to catch the ukranian regime that violated human rights,

there was an issue like that in georgia where sout ossetians got discriminated,

and there is now an issue, where russians have been discrminated by those that where in charge.
the ukranians invested nothing into the russian speaking regions of ukraine and focused all the investments on ukrainian speaking region, through that they effectively run a genocide.
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No invasion, yet Putin's tanks are inside a foreign country. "Just a military operation" to depose a democratically elected government, yet the Ukrainians do not seem to be hailing the "liberators" but rather trying to send them back to their families (live or dead is their choice). Not investing in a region? Even if that was true, which is probably not, that is not genocide under any definition.

You must be fully aware of how your arguments are perceived by now. If you think your are somehow helping Putin's cause by repeating over and over unbelievable arguments just keep on, you are simply showing how cynic, delusional and unbelievable this aggression is.

Seriously, I have never seen Switzerland, Luxembourg, the whole EU, Turkey & Israel to agree on anything at the same time except in condemning Putin's war. That should give you some material for self-reflection.


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
Post by: icopress on March 01, 2022, 02:26:17 PM
is there any local businesses that do deliveries in the area that accept bitcoin. and i mean legit businesses.
(not shoddy phishing sites set up in the last month) whereby people can just buy stuff on the website [...]
The entire city currently only accepts cash (although bank cards do work). The only currently available way to pay for goods or products using Bitcoin is to use the Best_Change service and exchange Bitcoin for Hryvnia and then withdraw funds from an ATM. In addition, postal delivery is completely paralyzed, so even if you manage to order something on the website and pay with bitcoins, you will face the fact that your goods will not be delivered.

  • https://imgur.com/WBNK7Qb
  • https://imgur.com/bCDAzfS
  • https://imgur.com/pyXZirC

By the way, if you want to feel what most Ukrainians felt a few hours ago, take a look at these videos ... the power of explosions of Aviation vacuum bombs and rockets is terrifying even if you are just a spectator, (these are just those moments in life when you want to be away from it all).


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
Post by: coolcoinz on March 01, 2022, 03:24:22 PM
Yesterday some Russian soldiers run out of fuel and went to a police station to ask for some. Of course they were captured and disarmed. The stupidity of the Russian army has no limit.

Most of those kids don't even know where they are and what they're doing. They probably think that the population (and the police etc) are on their side and they're just fighting some random "nazis". They got a good deal here though, being a POW in this war is probably a lot better than most other outcomes.

That's true. I've seen at least 5 POW interrogations including some OMON police member. They all said that they were supposed to take part in a drill starting from the beginning of February. They were moved around the Ukrainian border from place to place, some ordered to set up camps and wait for orders. One day they were told by their superiors to move out and cross the border. They did not even have to shoot because the border was bombed earlier that day so there was no resistance just dead bodies. Their families also didn't know where they were because there were orders to turn off their phones. Some companies were even confiscating phones. Most of these soldiers are in their early 20s. This proves that Putin knew the army might not support the attack, so they command decided to lie and tell troops they are going to liberate a nation that will welcome them with open arms.

That being said, the incompetence of those who planned the attack is striking. Armored units mixed at random, artillery with tanks and AA, no ground troop support to cover tanks, support trucks ordered to move forward, whole armored divisions ordered to go along main roads one by one with no intel as to what lies ahead, minimal air support from fighter jets. A recipe for disaster.


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
Post by: G.Seed on March 01, 2022, 04:04:46 PM
Hello brother,

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Over the past 8 years, the Ukrainian army has felt real support from the state and the world community. The Ukrainian army is very motivated, since we are on our own land, + the salaries of military personnel have been raised four times.

Why ?
I mean, do you think this was to protect you from Russia, or to put a pressure on Russia ?

In France we say "la communauté internationale" (world community) is a politically correct term for "USA".
Don't you think you are manipulated ?

I know this is hard to think about it when Russian army is here but ...


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
Post by: Lucius on March 01, 2022, 04:11:47 PM
By the way, if you want to feel what most Ukrainians felt a few hours ago, take a look at these videos ... the power of explosions of Aviation vacuum bombs and rockets is terrifying even if you are just a spectator, (these are just those moments in life when you want to be away from it all).

I survived a bloody war and I know very well what it means when grenades and plane bombs fall around you, and you wonder every moment if it will hit you too. Your country is currently in the same situation as mine in 1991, when Serbian butchers set out to demolish and kill everything in front of them, not sparing even small children or pregnant women.

But I think every Ukrainian is worth at least 10 Russian soldiers who are actually very unmotivated and I'm sure they are not very happy to do such things. A man who defends his home and his country always have an advantage over the aggressor. Help in money, weapons and people who are ready to fight is coming from all sides, and you just need to withstand the initial blow, in ten days you will surely be even stronger to resist the enemy and go on the counter-offensive.

Volunteers from Croatia are led by the decorated People's Hero of Ukraine Denis Scheler, who together with the best fighters will strengthen the Ukrainian ranks.

Denis Šeler from Zagreb, a veteran of the Homeland War, is a very well-known name in Ukraine. He is the holder of the People's Hero of Ukraine decoration, a medal awarded to the most deserving soldiers in the fight for the freedom of Ukraine.

Shameful images come from neighboring Serbia, which supports Putin in his massacre campaign, and Red Star Belgrade fans sent a gruesome message from their rostrum implying that Ukraine would become one big cemetery for Ukrainians. Many of them are fighting on the Russian side, and as I hear, even more are planning to go to Russia.

https://i.imgur.com/iur0VLj.png
Source (https://www.trollfootball.me/news/view/red-star-belgrade-fans-showing-their-support-for-russia)


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
Post by: KingScorpio on March 01, 2022, 04:52:06 PM
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there was no ukraine invasion the military operation was executed to catch the ukranian regime that violated human rights,

there was an issue like that in georgia where sout ossetians got discriminated,

and there is now an issue, where russians have been discrminated by those that where in charge.
the ukranians invested nothing into the russian speaking regions of ukraine and focused all the investments on ukrainian speaking region, through that they effectively run a genocide.

No invasion, yet Putin's tanks are inside a foreign country. "Just a military operation" to depose a democratically elected government, yet the Ukrainians do not seem to be hailing the "liberators" but rather trying to send them back to their families (live or dead is their choice). Not investing in a region? Even if that was true, which is probably not, that is not genocide under any definition.

You must be fully aware of how your arguments are perceived by now. If you think your are somehow helping Putin's cause by repeating over and over unbelievable arguments just keep on, you are simply showing how cynic, delusional and unbelievable this aggression is.

Seriously, I have never seen Switzerland, Luxembourg, the whole EU, Turkey & Israel to agree on anything at the same time except in condemning Putin's war. That should give you some material for self-reflection.
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human rights violaters have to be catched somehow the west never cared about the human rights violations of the regimes the west supported.

if you side with the woke racist left you end up being on the side of racists and nazis


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
Post by: KingScorpio on March 01, 2022, 04:54:54 PM
there was no ukraine invasion the military operation was executed to catch the ukranian regime that violated human rights,

Nice euphemism. Not an invasion but a military operation.
I'm pretty sure when Wehrmacht entered Poland it was also a military operation, not an invasion to them. When the US went to Vietnam it was also a military operation. Does it change anything?
Civilians are being shot at, shelled, bombarded, their houses burn, their children bleed. Stop spreading Putin's propaganda and accept the facts. They are using artillery and planes to bombard residential areas and lying to their own citizens saying that they're using precise strikes and targeting only military objects. Russia is one big joke starting from their lying politicians and ending with their junk equipment and lack of supply lines.

Yesterday some Russian soldiers run out of fuel and went to a police station to ask for some. Of course they were captured and disarmed. The stupidity of the Russian army has no limit.


you act exactly like a nazi, stop supporting nazis and racism, let go of wokeism, and hand out zelinski to putin for trial at the UN.

also all lefties that put fuel into this war by selling weapons need to be put to their nuremberg trials.

and also all conservatives siding with this woke movement that created the crisis.


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
Post by: af_newbie on March 01, 2022, 05:02:07 PM
there was no ukraine invasion the military operation was executed to catch the ukranian regime that violated human rights,

Nice euphemism. Not an invasion but a military operation.
I'm pretty sure when Wehrmacht entered Poland it was also a military operation, not an invasion to them. When the US went to Vietnam it was also a military operation. Does it change anything?
Civilians are being shot at, shelled, bombarded, their houses burn, their children bleed. Stop spreading Putin's propaganda and accept the facts. They are using artillery and planes to bombard residential areas and lying to their own citizens saying that they're using precise strikes and targeting only military objects. Russia is one big joke starting from their lying politicians and ending with their junk equipment and lack of supply lines.

Yesterday some Russian soldiers run out of fuel and went to a police station to ask for some. Of course they were captured and disarmed. The stupidity of the Russian army has no limit.


you act exactly like a nazi, stop supporting nazis and racism, let go of wokeism, and hand out zelinski to putin for trial at the UN.

also all lefties that put fuel into this war by selling weapons need to be put to their nuremberg trials.

and also all conservatives siding with this woke movement that created the crisis.

What woke movement?  Putin is killing Russians in Ukraine right now.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/28/europe/gallery/ukraine-girl-killed/index.html

He is a war criminal and will be arrested one day, or Russians will kill him themselves.



Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
Post by: bittraffic on March 01, 2022, 05:05:39 PM
The news was obviosly started with NATO trying to add Ukraine which was taken as threat by Russia. Although that racism may have triggered hate too. Ukraine was said to have forbid the language of Russia to be spoken. Surely, this is not something to get that mad to shoot a 0.22.  

But the request of Russia is to not add Ukraine into NATO was taken for granted. The argument was that during the time when Cuba choses Soviet as military ally, US also invade Cuba and sanctioned for more than 50 years already.


Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: icopress on March 01, 2022, 08:14:01 PM
Great news from the source! In the Nikolaev region today, as a result of a very large-scale operation, about 400 units of Russian vehicles were destroyed!

But, unfortunately, we have hundreds of wounded!

  • https://imgur.com/OCiFYt0 - The cost of one unit of Pantsir-S1 is $14 million.
  • https://imgur.com/UEmvhL2 - In Borodianka during street fighting a tank fires towards the cameraman

Cooking for a local checkpoint.

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Today's dropper holders and anti-tank hedgehogs.

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Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
Post by: franky1 on March 02, 2022, 04:46:47 AM
the way i see it
russia for decades has been spouting crap about its military might/power. by saying it has precision missiles and stuff that can take out america in 1 swoop.. yet.
(playing devils advocate) if i was a dictator with all this supposed tech i would have precision targetted all of the military bases and political buildings in one swoop in 1 hour to fast forward a country take-over plan on day 1

the lack of display of russia's 'power' is something putin will regret soon.

im not playing down the atrocities or saying that russia isnt doing damage. im just saying. russia isnt really as targetted/technologically accurate or strategic as it claimed.

ukraine is doing great defending itself, even with nato/un and other countries just sitting at the sidelines. i just think putin already lost his battle. he just doesnt realise it yet, because putin doesnt actually have the power he has been chest beating about for the last decade+

once the world realises that russia cant even take out its neighbour. the world will take out putin. and so we should
russia underestimated ukraines response and russia over exaggerated its own power for the last few decades

if i was america. i would have had a team of people watching putins every move for years. knowing his exact location by the minute. and accidentally slipped on a button that dropped a precision targeting bomb on his head, taking out only one casualty.. him


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
Post by: af_newbie on March 02, 2022, 05:24:42 AM
the way i see it
russia for decades has been spouting crap about its military might/power. by saying it has precision missiles and stuff that can take out america in 1 swoop.. yet.
(playing devils advocate) if i was a dictator with all this supposed tech i would have precision targetted all of the military bases and political buildings in one swoop in 1 hour to fast forward a country take-over plan on day 1

the lack of display of russia's 'power' is something putin will regret soon.

im not playing down the atrocities or saying that russia isnt doing damage. im just saying. russia isnt really as targetted/technologically accurate or strategic as it claimed.

ukraine is doing great defending itself, even with nato/un and other countries just sitting at the sidelines. i just think putin already lost his battle. he just doesnt realise it yet, because putin doesnt actually have the power he has been chest beating about for the last decade+

once the world realises that russia cant even take out its neighbour. the world will take out putin. and so we should
russia underestimated ukraines response and russia over exaggerated its own power for the last few decades

if i was america. i would have had a team of people watching putins every move for years. knowing his exact location by the minute. and accidentally slipped on a button that dropped a precision targeting bomb on his head, taking out only one casualty.. him


He will be convicted of war crimes by that time, so it is possible a drone can take him out, just like any other terrorist.


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
Post by: TopTort777 on March 02, 2022, 11:01:12 AM
the lack of display of russia's 'power' is something putin will regret soon.

I am the one who does not want to see that "power". This whole war seems strange to me. In mass media I only see how many military engineering Russia has lost, while Ukrainians only have civilian losses. I have seen on tv many times how destructive Russian weapons are, how much damage their rockets can make, how badass their ships and submarines with nuclear weapon are. What I see now on YouTube and telegram - some kind of 18-21 year old kids captured by Ukrainian army. That makes me feel that either all Russian army and its potential is fake, or they have send kids that undergo compulsory service in army to war, or real and experienced Russian army is too smart no to take part in this war.


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
Post by: af_newbie on March 02, 2022, 03:14:41 PM
the lack of display of russia's 'power' is something putin will regret soon.

I am the one who does not want to see that "power". This whole war seems strange to me. In mass media I only see how many military engineering Russia has lost, while Ukrainians only have civilian losses. I have seen on tv many times how destructive Russian weapons are, how much damage their rockets can make, how badass their ships and submarines with nuclear weapon are. What I see now on YouTube and telegram - some kind of 18-21 year old kids captured by Ukrainian army. That makes me feel that either all Russian army and its potential is fake, or they have send kids that undergo compulsory service in army to war, or real and experienced Russian army is too smart no to take part in this war.

It is also possible that Putin send less experienced units first to bleed the Ukrainian positions before sending more seasoned, professional
soldiers to finish them off.

Or Ukrainians are just badass.  They decimated the Chechen contingent.  And everyone was saying how fearsome, ruthless these Chechen
special forces were.  No more.

The 400 Wagner's Group contractors did a diddly squat so far.  Not sure if the Ukrainian army killed them all tough so they still might play a role in this conflict.

We don't know exactly what happened.  All we know is that about 6000 Russian soldiers actually died as of yesterday.  Countless equipment has been destroyed and abandoned.


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
Post by: examplens on March 02, 2022, 08:48:12 PM
ukraine is doing great defending itself, even with nato/un and other countries just sitting at the sidelines. i just think putin already lost his battle. he just doesnt realise it yet, because putin doesnt actually have the power he has been chest beating about for the last decade+

he definitely lost the media war. he has just united the whole world with a few exceptions against himself.
but what do you think should happen so that he admits the mistake or withdraws from battle? Is it possible?
I don't think he'll ever do it alive, and he should now be most afraid of his own people where most of the utterly innocent make sacrifices for his rampage.


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (The situation on the southern front).
Post by: icopress on March 02, 2022, 11:28:11 PM
Part of captured equipment for today!

Believe it or not, but over the past 14 hours, a LOT of military equipment has been captured or destroyed in the Nikolaev region.

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Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (The situation on the southern front).
Post by: examplens on March 03, 2022, 12:48:21 AM
Part of captured equipment for today!

Believe it or not, but over the past 14 hours, a LOT of military equipment has been captured or destroyed in the Nikolaev region.

I would still take all this information with a grain of salt. both sides place information where they present themselves as winners, it is only part of a strategy to encourage and raise morale. unfortunately, there are more and more victims on both sides.
I find this in one of Ukrainian tg channels "Special Operation Forces of Ukraine warns Russian artillerymen, that after attacks on civilian population they will be no longer taken as POWs", the situation is becoming more and more brutal.


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (The situation on the southern front).
Post by: af_newbie on March 03, 2022, 01:12:19 AM
Part of captured equipment for today!

Believe it or not, but over the past 14 hours, a LOT of military equipment has been captured or destroyed in the Nikolaev region.

I would still take all this information with a grain of salt. both sides place information where they present themselves as winners, it is only part of a strategy to encourage and raise morale. unfortunately, there are more and more victims on both sides.
I find this in one of Ukrainian tg channels "Special Operation Forces of Ukraine warns Russian artillerymen, that after attacks on civilian population they will be no longer taken as POWs", the situation is becoming more and more brutal.

They should have not taken any POWs from day one.  Ukrainians were fighting by the book.  They even returned Chechens to the FSB.
Which I think Putin will send them back into Ukraine.

It bogged down their resources.

Putinians were killing their own wounded soldiers, not to slow them down. 

Some of them were caught dressed in civilian clothes, pretending to be on the Ukrainian side.


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (The situation on the southern front).
Post by: tvbcof on March 03, 2022, 02:54:23 AM

From what I can tell, the Russians were for the first 6 days under orders to not harm civilians even if they were running up and throwing Molotov cocktails at the tanks.  If true that is a pretty strong show of strength, and I would have to applaud the Russians for doing so.

Now apparently since it was slowing things down a lot (to fight with both hands tied behind their backs) the policy has changed.  They are badly losing on the public relations front, as evidenced by the nonsense here on this board, so they are taking off the gloves to a degree.  Might just as well.

If progress picks up, I would consider it as lending strength to the Rooshin side of the propaganda war.  Actually in the previous decade (middle-east wars and such) it seems like the ludicrous propaganda market was pretty much monopolized by the Western/Israeli side in the international press.  That left a 'market' for basically being honest and building credibility, and that's what Putin seems to have done.  Or just kept his mouth shut.  Of course there have been exceptions, and God only knows what the Russian speaking peeps back home get bombarded with.  Regardless, I certainly look to places like RT as for actual info than the Western press, but that's faint praise akin to being the thinnest kid at fat camp when it comes to mainstream media.

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I've heard that the Ukrainian paramilitaries (e.g., the swastika brigades and like minded irregulars) are shooting people who try to use Putin's humanitarian corridors to flee back to Ukrainian controlled areas.  That tells me that the Western/Israeli controllers who make Ukrainian policy are worried about Russia doing some level of 'self determination' (a-la Crimea) when it comes to drawing the new Ukrainian boundaries after he finishes things up.



Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (The situation on the southern front).
Post by: franky1 on March 03, 2022, 05:02:10 AM
seriously tvbcof?

your calling the ukrainians the nazi's?
your calling the russians the humanitarians?
your saying that russia had a do not harm order?

i know you are a racist and hate jewish people. so that makes you a nazi. and if your defending russia because you think they also hate jews then that makes them nazi's, especially when russia are invading other countries and the ones threatening a world war



Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (The situation on the southern front).
Post by: tvbcof on March 03, 2022, 06:36:21 AM
seriously tvbcof?

your calling the ukrainians the nazi's?

Some are, and are quite open and proud of it.  This is well known.  They form paramilitary units and are used by the leadership for various tasks, and Western funds/arms find their way to them.

your calling the russians the humanitarians?

Relative to the Western powers who've had their way with the country since the coup in 2014, yeah, they probably are.  At least toward the Russian speaking Ukrainians who'd been under threat and attack for 8 years.

your saying that russia had a do not harm order?

As I said, I heard reports of it, and some of the observations I've made substantiate that contention.

i know you are a racist and hate jewish people. so that makes you a nazi. and if your defending russia because you think they also hate jews then that makes them nazi's, especially when russia are invading other countries and the ones threatening a world war

Most 'Nazis' are Jews or are supported by them because it a necessary part of the Jewish shtick to be 'victims.'  If there is not an entity to blame for some phantom victimization they need they'll just create it.

Now Ukraine probably is one of the very few places where 'the Nazi's are real'.  This would be fall-out from the historical and quite obscene abuse (e.g., the Holodomor) that the patch of land and people on it were subject to at the hands of the Bolsheviks and their follow-ups, and these are widely believed to be more than a little on yiddy end of the spectrum.  Not without reason.  Now most genuine sig-heil Nazi's are not the sharpest of knives in the drawer, but they probably do know with little doubt what Zelenski is and who put him there.  And probably are not terribly happy about it.  It's a pretty unstable population each waiting for an opportunity to put the knife in.  I doubt they'll be much of an effective force against the Ruskies, and it doesn't look to me as though they are thus far.

The smart money is that the West is setting up for covert operations a-la Syria hoping to trap the Russians in a tar-baby.  I suspect that Putin is smart enough to thwart that (by not sticking around any more than necessary to make sure that the regions he wants as a buffer zone stay stable enough.)

The West would probably like to de-nazify as well and using them up in internecine warfare within what's left of Ukraine and pitched battles at the new borders would be one way to do that.  I'm guessing that when all is said and done, a swim across the Dnieper will be the first obstacle to harassment operations in the 'liberated' parts of the terrain.  At least South of Kiev which I expect Putin will return.



Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (The situation on the southern front).
Post by: af_newbie on March 03, 2022, 07:04:35 AM
seriously tvbcof?

your calling the ukrainians the nazi's?

Some are, and are quite open and proud of it.  This is well known.  They form paramilitary units and are used by the leadership for various tasks, and Western funds/arms find their way to them.

your calling the russians the humanitarians?

Relative to the Western powers who've had their way with the country since the coup in 2014, yeah, they probably are.  At least toward the Russian speaking Ukrainians who'd been under threat and attack for 8 years.

your saying that russia had a do not harm order?

As I said, I heard reports of it, and some of the observations I've made substantiate that contention.

i know you are a racist and hate jewish people. so that makes you a nazi. and if your defending russia because you think they also hate jews then that makes them nazi's, especially when russia are invading other countries and the ones threatening a world war

Most 'Nazis' are Jews or are supported by them because it a necessary part of the Jewish shtick to be 'victims.'  If there is not an entity to blame for some phantom victimization they need they'll just create it.

Now Ukraine probably is one of the very few places where 'the Nazi's are real'.  This would be fall-out from the historical and quite obscene abuse (e.g., the Holodomor) that the patch of land and people on it were subject to at the hands of the Bolsheviks and their follow-ups, and these are widely believed to be more than a little on yiddy end of the spectrum.  Not without reason.  Now most genuine sig-heil Nazi's are not the sharpest of knives in the drawer, but they probably do know with little doubt what Zelenski is and who put him there.  And probably are not terribly happy about it.  It's a pretty unstable population each waiting for an opportunity to put the knife in.  I doubt they'll be much of an effective force against the Ruskies, and it doesn't look to me as though they are thus far.

The smart money is that the West is setting up for covert operations a-la Syria hoping to trap the Russians in a tar-baby.  I suspect that Putin is smart enough to thwart that (by not sticking around any more than necessary to make sure that the regions he wants as a buffer zone stay stable enough.)

The West would probably like to de-nazify as well and using them up in internecine warfare within what's left of Ukraine and pitched battles at the new borders would be one way to do that.  I'm guessing that when all is said and done, a swim across the Dnieper will be the first obstacle to harassment operations in the 'liberated' parts of the terrain.  At least South of Kiev which I expect Putin will return.



Take your medication and stop typing.  You are embarrassing your psychiatrist.


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (The situation on the southern front).
Post by: icopress on March 03, 2022, 08:44:29 AM
I would still take all this information with a grain of salt. both sides place information where they present themselves as winners, it is only part of a strategy to encourage and raise morale. unfortunately, there are more and more victims on both sides.
I find this in one of Ukrainian tg channels "Special Operation Forces of Ukraine warns Russian artillerymen, that after attacks on civilian population they will be no longer taken as POWs", the situation is becoming more and more brutal.
I did not say that there are no losses on our side ... they are, and very large. I only meant that in the region where I am the situation is under control. By the way, speaking of prisoners of war ... I'm almost sure that this is a lie, because if the Ukrainian side acts like this, then the Russian side will act the same way (we are interested in returning our prisoners home). All because our prisoners of war return to duty, again taking up arms, and Russian prisoners of war, having returned home, will never return to Ukraine under any circumstances.

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You are on my ignore list from now on as I am tired of listening to your gibberish.


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
Post by: Cryptmuster on March 03, 2022, 09:18:41 AM
I am the one who does not want to see that "power". This whole war seems strange to me. In mass media I only see how many military engineering Russia has lost, while Ukrainians only have civilian losses. I have seen on tv many times how destructive Russian weapons are, how much damage their rockets can make, how badass their ships and submarines with nuclear weapon are. What I see now on YouTube and telegram - some kind of 18-21 year old kids captured by Ukrainian army. That makes me feel that either all Russian army and its potential is fake, or they have send kids that undergo compulsory service in army to war, or real and experienced Russian army is too smart no to take part in this war.

It is difficult to say what is happening in the occupying army, why there are so many young guys on the front line, but I can only say that they have no honor and humanity. Shooting residential areas, schools, kindergartens, hospitals is below any morality. A platform has been created by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs for foreigners so that they can receive reliable information about the state of affairs: war.ukraine.ua If anyone is interested, use it.

As of today, 03/03/2022, about 9,000 occupants have been killed. But do you think it bothers anyone other than their mothers? This is a real war and the russians are behaving like fascists, killing children, women and the elderly.


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (The situation on the southern front).
Post by: paxmao on March 03, 2022, 09:58:24 AM
seriously tvbcof?

your calling the ukrainians the nazi's?

Some are, and are quite open and proud of it.  This is well known.  They form paramilitary units and are used by the leadership for various tasks, and Western funds/arms find their way to them.
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Nah, Putin would not send troops to stop "Nazi paramilitars", nor to protect anyone from anti-Semitism. That is just rhetoric and is to be simply ignored.

Putin has certain strategic objectives, they are very easy to understand (if you try for a moment to think like him, someone who grew in the cold war and has not yet figured out the new world):


- I do not want a large border with NATO, I would not ever want the NATO in the Black Sea or in a situation to cut my access to it and I would rather have Ukraine as a vassal state of my Tzardom.

An that is it. There is nothing about corruption that worries him (I can help chuckling at that), he could not care less about a minor regional conflict and he could not care less about humanitarian aid nor anything like it. That is just a product for the media and the masses.

On regards to the rules of engagement, there is, as of now, no benefit for Putin to order the killing of civilians for two reasons:
- He would like to pose as a liberator and an illustrated despot to the world. Mass killings would picture him as an assassin.
- It is much more difficult to control a country in which everyone hates you.

Now, Ukrainian resistance, if it gets to the point where he might not achieve his objectives, will eventually lead him to total war and terror tactics to break the resistance. Unfortunately, in my view, Ukrainians have little choice but to resist and make Putin backdown or risk loosing their freedom to have future for generations.


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
Post by: LTU_btc on March 03, 2022, 10:22:55 AM
As of today, 03/03/2022, about 9,000 occupants have been killed. But do you think it bothers anyone other than their mothers? This is a real war and the russians are behaving like fascists, killing children, women and the elderly.
While Russia yesterday confirmed that they have about 500 deaths. But I think that both these numbers is far from reality. But no doubts that both sides have big loses.
And you're right, in Russia it's just numbers. Now they blocked last oppositional TV and radio channels which covering war in Ukraine. They're turning in North Korea. I saw that on their propaganda channel they turned in live webcam videos from Kyiv and said that people live their life as usual there. It's disgusting.
I hope that Putin and everyone who is responsible for it will have to respond for what they have done. And I hope it will happen as soon as possible.


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (The situation on the southern front).
Post by: tvbcof on March 04, 2022, 09:02:32 PM
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Most 'Nazis' are Jews or are supported by them because it a necessary part of the Jewish shtick to be 'victims.'  If there is not an entity to blame for some phantom victimization they need they'll just create it.
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Now most genuine sig-heil Nazi's are not the sharpest of knives in the drawer, but they probably do know with little doubt what Zelenski is and who put him there.  And probably are not terribly happy about it.  It's a pretty unstable population each waiting for an opportunity to put the knife in.  I doubt they'll be much of an effective force against the Ruskies, and it doesn't look to me as though they are thus far.
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The West would probably like to de-nazify as well and using them up in internecine warfare within what's left of Ukraine and pitched battles at the new borders would be one way to do that. 
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Take your medication and stop typing.  You are embarrassing your psychiatrist.


Well, who could have imagined?:

  https://southfront.org/ukrainian-armed-forces-destroyed-headquarters-of-azov-nationalist-battalion-in-mariupol-report/ (https://southfront.org/ukrainian-armed-forces-destroyed-headquarters-of-azov-nationalist-battalion-in-mariupol-report/)

As I say, these groups tend to be created (often by a certain tribe (https://www.thedailybeast.com/billionaire-ukrainian-oligarch-ihor-kolomoisky-under-investigation-by-fbi)) in order to be utilized (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxFT_PipXNA) for certain things then liquidated when they are no longer useful.  Think about that before joining some 'ultra-nationalist' (or 'ultra-anything'...or 'anything' for that matter) organization if you are ever approached.



Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
Post by: icopress on March 05, 2022, 07:06:20 PM
Guys, judging by the map, you might think that the situation is deplorable, but I ask you to take a look at the photos below.

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First, pay attention to this life hack ... and this is supposedly the second most powerful army in the world.

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Secondly, a Russian aircraft and several helicopters were again shot down on the southern front ... a total of 79 aircraft were shot down.

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Unfortunately, today we have 30 people killed and wounded.


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
Post by: suchmoon on March 05, 2022, 07:58:14 PM
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Do you know what's going on in Kherson? There are videos of protests but also gunshots.


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
Post by: Ultegra134 on March 05, 2022, 09:11:39 PM
there was no ukraine invasion the military operation was executed to catch the ukranian regime that violated human rights,

Nice euphemism. Not an invasion but a military operation.
I'm pretty sure when Wehrmacht entered Poland it was also a military operation, not an invasion to them. When the US went to Vietnam it was also a military operation. Does it change anything?
Civilians are being shot at, shelled, bombarded, their houses burn, their children bleed. Stop spreading Putin's propaganda and accept the facts. They are using artillery and planes to bombard residential areas and lying to their own citizens saying that they're using precise strikes and targeting only military objects. Russia is one big joke starting from their lying politicians and ending with their junk equipment and lack of supply lines.

Yesterday some Russian soldiers run out of fuel and went to a police station to ask for some. Of course they were captured and disarmed. The stupidity of the Russian army has no limit.


you act exactly like a nazi, stop supporting nazis and racism, let go of wokeism, and hand out zelinski to putin for trial at the UN.

also all lefties that put fuel into this war by selling weapons need to be put to their nuremberg trials.

and also all conservatives siding with this woke movement that created the crisis.

What woke movement?  Putin is killing Russians in Ukraine right now.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/28/europe/gallery/ukraine-girl-killed/index.html

He is a war criminal and will be arrested one day, or Russians will kill him themselves.


But Putin claims he's not bombing residential areas, that's propaganda! (My comment is sarcastic, of course). It's a shame, he's a criminal and should be executed, his days are numbered. Many Russian solders are not even aware of what's happening, many of which are barely 18 years old, bombarded by propaganda and fueled by hate and lies, thrown on a battlefield, not knowing what they're fighting for, leading to their death.

Putin doesn't differentiate much from Hitler himself.


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
Post by: icopress on March 05, 2022, 09:25:59 PM
Do you know what's going on in Kherson? There are videos of protests but also gunshots.
At least 50,000 people took to the streets ... after which, within a few hours, the Russian military left the city. I doubt very much that they were afraid of the protesters, I believe that they advanced towards Nikolaev (therefore, Kherson is still outside the line of demarcation).

In addition, Ukrainian mobile operators are no longer operating in Kherson, and this makes me think that temporary officials are already moving from the Crimea to Kherson who will begin to equip the post-war city. As for the shots ... the military only scared the protesters away (I did not see or hear from my acquaintances that anyone was injured or killed during the protest).


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
Post by: Cryptmuster on March 06, 2022, 09:21:57 AM
While Russia yesterday confirmed that they have about 500 deaths. But I think that both these numbers is far from reality. But no doubts that both sides have big loses.
And you're right, in Russia it's just numbers. Now they blocked last oppositional TV and radio channels which covering war in Ukraine. They're turning in North Korea. I saw that on their propaganda channel they turned in live webcam videos from Kyiv and said that people live their life as usual there. It's disgusting.
I hope that Putin and everyone who is responsible for it will have to respond for what they have done. And I hope it will happen as soon as possible.

In a civilized world, such crimes should not go unpunished. I don’t understand the Russians who see that many TV channels that tell the truth are blocked, Facebook, Twitter are blocked, and at the same time, none of the Russians have any questions why this is happening? Or the situation is that they are really all scared, no one dares to say a single word against the government, otherwise they will go to jail. Then why is such a life necessary?

We protect our land and therefore we will win. I am also angry that the whole world is afraid to help Ukraine close the sky, this is the same fear that gives the occupants an advantage, this should not happen.


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
Post by: LTU_btc on March 06, 2022, 09:49:12 PM
In a civilized world, such crimes should not go unpunished. I don’t understand the Russians who see that many TV channels that tell the truth are blocked, Facebook, Twitter are blocked, and at the same time, none of the Russians have any questions why this is happening? Or the situation is that they are really all scared, no one dares to say a single word against the government, otherwise they will go to jail. Then why is such a life necessary?

We protect our land and therefore we will win. I am also angry that the whole world is afraid to help Ukraine close the sky, this is the same fear that gives the occupants an advantage, this should not happen.
Russian people are brainwashed so much that they think Russia is doing ''denazification'' in Ukraine andthey support it. I don't know how much we can trust in this data, butthere was poll made and about 70% of Russians support Putin actions in Ukraine. Large part of their population watch only state-owned TV which wash their brain 24/7. While oppositional channels which were already blocked is Western agents which spread propaganda.
Offcourse, not everyone support war, but they can't do much because they simply fear. There was some protests of brave people, but police already arrested thousands of them. They even arrested 90 years old women who was in protest. They recently made law whch let them to send people who are against Russian government for 15 years jail. Russian repression machine is turning country into North Korea.


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
Post by: icopress on March 07, 2022, 10:47:41 AM
[...] They recently made law whch let them to send people who are against Russian government for 15 years jail. Russian repression machine is turning country into North Korea.
This is one of the reasons why not a single Russian-speaking Ukrainian presents his region as part of Russia.

We Ukrainians cannot stand weakly characteristic people, and it makes no sense for us to condone the seizure of our lands, since we all value freedom very much. Honestly, I also don’t quite understand why Apple and Google have not yet intervened, since it is precisely the shutdown of the appstore and the play market and all related services that would entail the most acute protests in Russia.

My wife is just smart [Continuing to cook food for the guys at the nearest checkpoint] :-*

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p.s. To be honest, she is not my wife yet, but just a partner, but I think I will fix this when everything is over.


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (The situation on the southern front).
Post by: Betwrong on March 07, 2022, 02:31:54 PM
I think and speak Russian, but that doesn't stop me from feeling like a Ukrainian.~

Same here, brother. I live in Kyiv, and speak and think in Russian, and I've never had any problems with that. Even on Euromaidan no one ever asked me why I speak Russian.

Putin and his propaganda are lying to their people.

Have no more time to write rn.

For those who are interested, watch this Yuval Noah Harari video

https://youtu.be/yQqthbvYE8M

He explains it all really well.


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (The situation on the southern front).
Post by: tvbcof on March 07, 2022, 08:19:57 PM
I think and speak Russian, but that doesn't stop me from feeling like a Ukrainian.~

Same here, brother. I live in Kyiv, and speak and think in Russian, and I've never had any problems with that.

Just FWIW, I can confirm from personal contacts that a Ukrainian (born) being 'Russian speaking' does not make a (high functioning) Ukrainian be particularly fond of Russia, and certainly not fond of the Soviet Union in which they grew up and were educated.  I myself am guilty of using 'Russian speaking' as short-hand for Unkrainians who might have some affinity for Russia, but it is too simplistic.

Even on Euromaidan no one ever asked me why I speak Russian.

Putin and his propaganda are lying to their people.

Have no more time to write rn.

For those who are interested, watch this Yuval Noah Harari video

https://youtu.be/yQqthbvYE8M

He explains it all really well.

The vid (which I skimmed due to lack of content) confirms to me that Harari is basically A) a pseudo-intelectual celebrity-academic who is focuses what intellectual ability he has on saying what wealthy elite and their globalist useful idiots want to hear since it is a good way to make money and get free plane tickets (e.g., an evolution of the Jarred Diamond grift), or B) reasonably bright and informed, but a flat out propagandist playing to his globalist useful idiot base with nary a shred of intellectual honesty in his content.



Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
Post by: icopress on March 10, 2022, 03:20:03 PM
Aside from the warning sounds of a missile strike, the day was great as we managed to do some shopping at the wholesale food depot (the only disappointing thing is that the prices at the wholesale depot are the same as they were in grocery stores before the war). I ask what the problem is, and the manager refers to the fact that suppliers are raising prices (I'm not sure if this is true). Also, for the last couple of days, my civilian wife has been sitting at home, as she and her friends cook for the military in turn. Btw, I was also intrigued by the news that Washington will allocate $ 50 billion to Ukraine and I am shocked (if this is true). Since this is a quarter of the annual budget of Ukraine.

  • https://imgur.com/8mUMEjO
  • https://imgur.com/LhRiWc6

In addition, my sister and her child successfully reached Poland, many thanks to the volunteers who met her in Lviv, provided her with an overnight stay and escorted her to the border, at the moment there are almost no queues at the border crossing points, so everything went very quickly.

p.s. A bill has also come into force according to which I and any civilian have the right to use my personal weapons against Russian troops, so now I will probably look for a way to acquire some kind of sniper weapon.


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (The situation on the southern front).
Post by: coolcoinz on March 10, 2022, 11:44:11 PM
Good luck to you and your family. Keep telling us how the days go by!
Great idea with food, keep resisting, they won't break you. Share photos of the gun if you obtain it, although I hope you won't have to use it.
Still, get it and teach your wife how to use it, you'll both feel better knowing that you have the means to repel looters and rapists.

This made me laugh today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxNu0UlasjI

Stay safe!


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (The situation on the southern front).
Post by: icopress on March 11, 2022, 11:19:30 PM
The current situation in the Nikolaev region leaves much to be desired ... since the Russians, under the cover of chaotic artillery attacks on the regional center, are moving their troops in a northeast direction. Does anyone else really believe that the MLRS "Grad" can hit the city's military facilities in the evening?

  • https://imgur.com/GfM7M5X (these shots are only a few hours old / I didn't take the photo)

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If it were not for the evening, the day would have been tolerable, since for almost the whole day I did not hear any signaling sounds and was in a good mood doing important things, and my wife cooked food again, (I think I'll have to devote a couple of days to family and work, so I'll see you in the middle of the week).

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By the way... from VERY good news.

  • I found about 10 tons of free potatoes 400 kilometers from me.
  • I found in the neighboring region baby food, diapers, etc. at prices much lower than wholesale prices.

But the catch is that in my tiny car I will not take either one or the other, so on top of everything else on the weekend I will also look for drivers with my trucks!

Good luck to everyone and a peaceful sky above your head.


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (The situation on the southern front).
Post by: Ultegra134 on March 12, 2022, 12:41:36 PM
The current situation in the Nikolaev region leaves much to be desired ... since the Russians, under the cover of chaotic artillery attacks on the regional center, are moving their troops in a northeast direction. Does anyone else really believe that the MLRS "Grad" can hit the city's military facilities in the evening?

  • https://imgur.com/GfM7M5X (these shots are only a few hours old / I didn't take the photo)

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If it were not for the evening, the day would have been tolerable, since for almost the whole day I did not hear any signaling sounds and was in a good mood doing important things, and my wife cooked food again, (I think I'll have to devote a couple of days to family and work, so I'll see you in the middle of the week).

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By the way... from VERY good news.

  • I found about 10 tons of free potatoes 400 kilometers from me.
  • I found in the neighboring region baby food, diapers, etc. at prices much lower than wholesale prices.

But the catch is that in my tiny car I will not take either one or the other, so on top of everything else on the weekend I will also look for drivers with my trucks!

Good luck to everyone and a peaceful sky above your head.
I honestly hope for the best, it's been 16 days or more since the start of the invasion, if I'm not mistaken. It's depressing to live in such conditions and from the bottom of my heart, I wish you good luck, it seems like there's a long road ahead.

However, I've been reading that Putin has opened negotiations again, "offering", more like demanding Ukraine to meet his demands, or he'll fiercely attack Kyiv and Ukraine in general.


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (The situation on the southern front).
Post by: n0nce on March 12, 2022, 04:47:45 PM
But despite the complexity of the situation, I am quite optimistic, and I'll explain why:

  • Over the past 8 years, the Ukrainian army has felt real support from the state and the world community. The Ukrainian army is very motivated, since we are on our own land, + the salaries of military personnel have been raised four times. As a result, in just 4 days, on a voluntary basis, 100k people with real combat experience were at the disposal of the general headquarters, (there are currently about 400k reservists in ukraine with combat experience).
  • We have problems with aviation and navy, but this is compensated by the fact that our ground forces are the equivalent of Russian ground forces (let's be objective, Putin cannot afford to expose his eastern flanks, on the border with China).
  • 15 million people are engaged in logistics support for military personnel, this is probably the main reason why Russia never managed to capture almost a single major regional center. I think such cohesion is also connected with the fact that for the first time in the history of Ukraine we have a president who, even before the war, was able to unite both the Ukrainian-speaking population and the Russian-speaking people, (previously, the president has always been a person representing only one of the ethnic groups).
Thanks a lot for your first-person insights into this war, icopress! I am fascinated by the Ukrainian population's combined effort to effectively fend off such a supposed 'world power' as Russia, huge respect.
I am wondering: did you guys always have this conviction that your neighbour's army wasn't as strong as has so far always been asserted or did this awareness arise during the first days of the war? To me it always appeared that Russia had a comparable military as the United States; a huge superpower that a single smaller country couldn't compete with. While now it doesn't seem like that at all (not meaning to downplay your great achievements in the war!).


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (The situation on the southern front).
Post by: coolcoinz on March 13, 2022, 01:26:27 AM
and my wife cooked food again,
Mmmm I love pierogi.
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By the way... from VERY good news.

I also have good news:
I've read some transcripts of communication between Russian troops and their command and it looks as bad as it could be. They're starting to joke about shooting their commanders, ask what to do because they lost almost all tanks in the company, and asking what letter to sign to be moved back home. You guys are wining, Russians came in hungry with expired rations, so make sure they don't leave with empty stomachs. Those idiots apparently had a new communication system but it required functioning cellular towers, but they destroyed too many of them and can't use it. Now they have to use old systems that Ukrainians can tap into.
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But the catch is that in my tiny car I will not take either one or the other

At least you have a not so tiny speaker in the back ;)
You can drive around blasting "bayraktar song"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk3IbKsNVpw


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (The situation on the southern front).
Post by: suchmoon on March 13, 2022, 03:03:01 AM
You can drive around blasting "bayraktar song"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk3IbKsNVpw

This could annoy the orcs too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqVCQEthhOU


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (The situation on the southern front).
Post by: n0nce on March 13, 2022, 11:45:11 AM
You can drive around blasting "bayraktar song"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk3IbKsNVpw

This could annoy the orcs too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqVCQEthhOU
That's so fitting (compared to other recent uses of the song like disco versions and similar), since it was used in anti-fascist resistance in Italy!

I also found this one the other day about the Javelin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LlJOZPkK94

Whatever helps keep the mood up, I guess. :)


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (The situation on the southern front).
Post by: icopress on March 18, 2022, 12:23:26 AM
Please do not be offended if I did not thank someone in a personal, I really appreciate all those who put an emotional message into the assistance provided, the help that I was able to convert into food, gasoline and other necessary things. Thank you very much.

  • I found about 10 tons of free potatoes 400 kilometers from me.

To be honest, I did nothing today and got busy with my forum questions, but yesterday and the day before yesterday I closed two important points at once. Btw, nothing has happened with free potatoes yet, since there is nowhere to put it yet, since the place where food for checkpoints is prepared is now overflowing with food (which is good news). I am only a pawn, but as far as I understand, without exception, all the surplus will go to those nearest villages in which there is a shortage of food (this is what people brought in one day).

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Now, getting back to the point, I want to say that I have never bought so many cigarettes before  :D
But, I understand that smoking is harmful, but I try to buy what I need and not what I want, (more precisely what they ask to buy).

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  • I found in the neighboring region baby food, diapers, etc. at prices much lower than wholesale prices.

With this point, everything is not so simple ... everything seems to be fine, since I managed to take care of those who needed it to some extent, but at the same time I feel like a nonentity ... because the photos taken only aggravate the already deplorable situation, emphasizing the misfortune of these people. As if with every request for a photo, I remind them of how unhappy they and their children are (with the fact that they are all in acceptable safety). I don't want to experience this feeling again. Therefore, this is the last time I ask people to take pictures (nevertheless, there are about 40 photos here).

  • https://imgur.com/a/XEyRg6E
  • https://imgur.com/a/tAi5Vft
  • https://imgur.com/a/u7Cc0DU

Peaceful skies overhead to all ... btw, our army near Nikolaev threw the Russian troops back 15 miles.  ;)


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (The situation on the southern front).
Post by: tvbcof on March 18, 2022, 02:02:29 AM
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Now, getting back to the point, I want to say that I have never bought so many cigarettes before  :D
But, I understand that smoking is harmful, but I try to buy what I need and not what I want, (more precisely what they ask to buy).

https://i.imgur.com/wWVf2br.png
...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6q_2zZXHMg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6q_2zZXHMg)



Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (The situation on the southern front).
Post by: icopress on March 23, 2022, 01:28:37 PM
Hello everyone, there is good news and not so good.  :-\

Firstly, the grouping of our Nikolaev region threw the enemy back almost 80 kilometers, and those Russian military formations that practically propped up my city were completely destroyed. Starting Monday, the wife will have to look for a new volunteer job, as the checkpoint for which she has been cooking food for the past three weeks will be disbanded and forces will be transferred to where they are needed. On the map, you can clearly see how far the enemy was thrown back from my current geolocation.

https://i.imgur.com/rp8kP84.png

Bad news is that one of the stationary military bases of my region was destroyed. Unfortunately, more than 40 servicemen were killed because of the rocket, and about 80 were injured - military personnel who were in reserve.

https://i.imgur.com/LcrdXhg.png

Some photos of my wife made by my wife .... I am very proud of it [although we are not officially married, but we are both with the wedding rings].

https://i.imgur.com/DbOBnDl.png

Btw, if someone can send or deliver personally three Bulletproofs vest to the border to Ukraine, I would be very grateful. I or my relatives are ready to come to the border. The problem is that I recently tried to order them on the Internet for Father and Uncle but my two attempts were not crowned with success (I lost $ 30 prepayment). I wish you all a peaceful sky above your head.


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (The situation on the southern front).
Post by: derBowler on April 03, 2022, 08:08:45 PM
Hy @icopress,

very very good Job, thanks for your commitment.

Take care and stay healthy.


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (The situation on the southern front).
Post by: icopress on April 13, 2022, 01:32:41 PM
Bump / Hello everyone  ;)

  • Started working with a local volunteer who is closely associated with a pharmacy ready to provide the necessary medicines to those who are in dire need of them and who cannot afford to buy them. We also created (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScUmvBxr3QB6XqbJNMBKUj__Hvcuq0THAa1fNVYXC21M8zMzA/viewform) and distributed a Google form.

  • I found a used freezer (https://imgur.com/t9FA2Yz) that is needed to cool the donated blood, I will pick up 2 or 3 more freezers on the weekend. I got these freezer for temporary use, after which I will need to return them to local entrepreneurs.

  • The wife started working, but in her spare time she still cooks food (https://imgur.com/a/uF7wc56) with other women, with the only difference that the school where the kitchen is located also serves as a reception room for temporarily displaced people. The school serves as an overnight stay for such people until they find housing or move. In addition to buying food for cooking, we men, in turn, brought to this school a sufficient number of donated mattresses and blankets (https://imgur.com/a/jhR571t).

  • Btw, this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5387774.msg59616915#msg59616915) is no longer relevant, since I have already found bulletproof vests for my relatives.

  • A week or so ago, I again did the delivery of baby food and diapers, as I did last time (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5387774.msg59558522#msg59558522).

  • Among other things, we collect glass jars (https://imgur.com/a/TZnZ7Qx) so that women can preserve pork. I have no experience in butchering a pork carcass, but I can boast and say that I personally butchered about 150 kg carcass.

  • Among the immediate plans is to go to another region for a wholesale food depot. Plans to buy construction timber to renovate several destroyed premises. I'm also looking for leather to make gloves (https://imgur.com/s9b3zgP), but these are all things I'll be doing at the end of the week as I plan to spend time with family and work.

  • If anyone is interested, this is the everyday life of Ukrainians reflected in photographs (https://t.me/ukrainenowphoto), (little known telegram channel).

In addition, since international delivery to my address is currently unlikely, I am ready to donate my collectible items that are in stock with some of the regulars of the forum. If someone is interested in collectibles, write to me who wants to get them for free, (the shipping cost is also already covered).


Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (The situation on the southern front).
Post by: paxmao on April 13, 2022, 10:23:10 PM
    ...

    • Among other things, we collect glass jars (https://imgur.com/a/TZnZ7Qx) so that women can preserve pork. I have no experience in butchering a pork carcass, but I can boast and say that I personally butchered about 150 kg carcass.

      ...
    Good practice, unfortunately it seems that it will take a lot of butchering invaders before the Tzar starts thinking that invading a peaceful neighbour was not a good idea after all.

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    [li]If anyone is interested, this is the everyday life of Ukrainians reflected in photographs (https://t.me/ukrainenowphoto), (little known telegram channel).[/li]
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    Thanks, of course we are interested. I really hope you can keep up the work, it seems that it will get a bit worse before it can get better. All our support with you and soon a more practical delivery of aid and fighting means.



    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
    Post by: icopress on April 21, 2022, 03:02:47 PM
    Over the past week, the situation in the Mykolaiv region has not changed significantly, but about 20 small villages are still occupied. In addition, all last week I went to bed to the sound of sirens, and Nikolaev himself continues to be subjected to rocket attacks (as a result of night attacks, one person died, two were wounded). But probably the main news of this week is the destruction of the Russian missile cruiser Moscow, which, ironically, was built in Mykolaiv.

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    Started working with a local volunteer who is closely associated with a pharmacy ready to provide the necessary medicines to those who are in dire need of them and who cannot afford to buy them. We also created (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScUmvBxr3QB6XqbJNMBKUj__Hvcuq0THAa1fNVYXC21M8zMzA/viewform) and distributed a Google form.
    I took the first batch of medicines from a partner pharmacy, and also, thanks to the Google form, received several more boxes of medicines as a gift.

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    I found a used freezer (https://imgur.com/t9FA2Yz) that is needed to cool the donated blood, I will pick up 2 or 3 more freezers on the weekend. I got these freezer for temporary use, after which I will need to return them to local entrepreneurs.
    This question is now also closed!

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    The wife started working, but in her spare time she still cooks food (https://imgur.com/a/uF7wc56) with other women, with the only difference [...] Among other things, we collect glass jars (https://imgur.com/a/TZnZ7Qx) so that women can preserve pork. I have no experience in butchering a pork carcass, but I can boast and say that I personally butchered about 150 kg carcass.
    Again, women canned meat, but this time chicken! They also prepared many other goodies (https://imgur.com/a/YkSQQn7)!

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    Among the immediate plans is [...]
    I was tired this week so I didn't even have the desire to post anything on the forum, but still I solved the problem with the requested essentials (socks, underwear, t-shirts, chargers, flashlights). They also loaded the trailer with construction timber, which turned out to be much more than I expected (now I'm waiting for the tractor). I also bought some spare parts, a chainsaw and several electric generators. Also delivered cereals, sweets, spices, flour, salt and vegetables for cooking and lots of tomatoes ($1 per kilogram, a price that broke the entire vegetable sector ... LOL). There are 15 or 20 photos here (https://imgur.com/a/59A3g7X)!!!

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    In addition, since international delivery to my address is currently unlikely, I am ready to donate my collectible items that are in stock with some of the regulars of the forum. If someone is interested in collectibles, write to me who wants to get them for free, (the shipping cost is also already covered).
    The offer is still valid!

    All the peaceful sky above your head!


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: icopress on May 28, 2022, 04:21:33 PM
    Some photos from Easter.

    On this holiday, we also did not forget about our military and ordinary old people who were very happy with sweet surprises.

    In fact, May flew by very quickly, for the most part I returned to my regular work (the part-time work on the forum also turned out to be quite significant, which actually does not take much time, but gives a tangible increase in income), and volunteering was done only on Saturdays.

    A week or so ago, I again did the delivery of baby food and diapers, as I did last time (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5387774.msg59558522#msg59558522).

    Done with baby food, this is the last batch received, and to be honest, individual delivery is not an easy task.

    • https://imgur.com/a/DJCdPke

    The wife started working, but in her spare time she still cooks food (https://imgur.com/a/uF7wc56) with other women [...]
    Continuation, but on a slightly different scale [True, due to the insufficient amount of glass containers, I had to improvise].

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    Periodically, people bring things and furniture for migrants and food (including home preservation).

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    In addition to the main grocery purchases, we bought materials for the girls who agreed to sew.
    I think it will be fun, at least this is one of the areas in which I do not understand anything at all.

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    Btw, when I took away the boxes with fabric materials, I managed to try on a sniper camouflage suit. ;D

    I didn't buy it because it's not necessary, but now I know what it's like to be invisible.

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    Here (https://imgur.com/a/Nc5rq7d) are photos in good quality, besides, feel free to PM me, as I actually already have a ton of photos!


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: icopress on May 28, 2022, 04:31:47 PM
    As for the immediate hostilities, the situation for the last month has not changed much (speaking of the southern front) ... now it is simply a frozen conflict. Although the situation on the line of contact has been slowly changing over the past few days (due to the counter-offensive actions of our troops), the fighting continues. With a black dotted line, I tried to show where the counteroffensive is taking place at the moment.

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    One way or another, there is some disturbing feeling in my soul, accompanied by pain in the lower back (although I am healthy).  :-[


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
    Post by: BADecker on May 28, 2022, 04:36:49 PM
    ...

    there was no ukraine invasion the military operation was executed to catch the ukranian regime that violated human rights,

    there was an issue like that in georgia where sout ossetians got discriminated,

    and there is now an issue, where russians have been discrminated by those that where in charge.
    the ukranians invested nothing into the russian speaking regions of ukraine and focused all the investments on ukrainian speaking region, through that they effectively run a genocide.

    No invasion, yet Putin's tanks are inside a foreign country. "Just a military operation" to depose a democratically elected government, yet the Ukrainians do not seem to be hailing the "liberators" but rather trying to send them back to their families (live or dead is their choice). Not investing in a region? Even if that was true, which is probably not, that is not genocide under any definition.

    You must be fully aware of how your arguments are perceived by now. If you think your are somehow helping Putin's cause by repeating over and over unbelievable arguments just keep on, you are simply showing how cynic, delusional and unbelievable this aggression is.

    Seriously, I have never seen Switzerland, Luxembourg, the whole EU, Turkey & Israel to agree on anything at the same time except in condemning Putin's war. That should give you some material for self-reflection.

    When are you going to realize that the Russians are fighting for Ukrainian freedom, by trying to remove a fascist/Nazi Ukrainian government that thinking Ukrainian people are mostly against? If Russia wanted to conquer little, dinky Ukraine, they could have done it any minute over the last 20 years.

    8)


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
    Post by: icopress on May 28, 2022, 04:41:30 PM
    When are you going to realize that the Russians are fighting for Ukrainian freedom, by trying to remove a fascist/Nazi Ukrainian government that the Ukrainian people are mostly against? If Russia wanted to conquer little, dinky Ukraine, they could have done it any minute over the last 20 years.
    Dude, are you brainless? Almost all Russian "victories" were at the expense of other nations, including Ukraine.

    And in the Second World War, Ukraine took upon itself the main blow, giving tens of millions of lives for the victory.


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
    Post by: BADecker on May 28, 2022, 04:52:17 PM
    When are you going to realize that the Russians are fighting for Ukrainian freedom, by trying to remove a fascist/Nazi Ukrainian government that the Ukrainian people are mostly against? If Russia wanted to conquer little, dinky Ukraine, they could have done it any minute over the last 20 years.
    Dude, are you brainless? Almost all Russian "victories" were at the expense of other nations, including Ukraine.

    And in the Second World War, Ukraine took upon itself the main blow, giving tens of millions of lives for the victory.

    You are missing the whole point. Aside from the fact that any strong nation wants to rule the world, Russia is new. The Soviet Union fell only 3 decades ago. Since then Russia has been fighting her wars diplomatically, like most other big nations. In fact, since after WW2, it's the US that has killed over 20 million people in police actions around the world (not to say that the old Russia was innocent).

    There is way more to all of this than meets the simple eye. The US and Western Europe are after Siberia for the wealth that lies there, under ground. And they are using little Ukraine - as well as other nations - to gradually smother Russia... to weaken her so they can get Siberia, and maybe all of Russia.

    8)


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
    Post by: af_newbie on May 28, 2022, 05:00:07 PM
    When are you going to realize that the Russians are fighting for Ukrainian freedom, by trying to remove a fascist/Nazi Ukrainian government that the Ukrainian people are mostly against? If Russia wanted to conquer little, dinky Ukraine, they could have done it any minute over the last 20 years.
    Dude, are you brainless? Almost all Russian "victories" were at the expense of other nations, including Ukraine.

    And in the Second World War, Ukraine took upon itself the main blow, giving tens of millions of lives for the victory.

    Use caution when arguing with this fellow. He is in fact brainless. He does not know what kind of animal he is, or how our planet formed.

    So don't expect much critical thinking from him.

    Orwellian logic is all he can muster. War is peace, slavery is freedom., etc.


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
    Post by: BADecker on May 28, 2022, 05:09:23 PM
    When are you going to realize that the Russians are fighting for Ukrainian freedom, by trying to remove a fascist/Nazi Ukrainian government that the Ukrainian people are mostly against? If Russia wanted to conquer little, dinky Ukraine, they could have done it any minute over the last 20 years.
    Dude, are you brainless? Almost all Russian "victories" were at the expense of other nations, including Ukraine.

    And in the Second World War, Ukraine took upon itself the main blow, giving tens of millions of lives for the victory.

    Use caution when arguing with this fellow. He is in fact brainless. He does not know what kind of animal he is, or how our planet formed.

    So don't expect much critical thinking from him.

    Orwellian logic is all he can muster. War is peace, slavery is freedom., etc.



    Standard for you. Spouting off without anything to back what you say. Take a look at what is really going on in this Ukraine resistance to Russia peace-keeping.


    MSM Offers Rare Glimpse Into How Bad Things Are Really Going For Ukrainian Forces (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/326156-2022-05-27-msm-offers-rare-glimpse-into-how-bad-things-are-really.htm)



    In a new article titled "Ukrainian volunteer fighters in the east feel abandoned," WaPo reports that contrary to the triumphant narratives the western world is being spoon fed, many troops in eastern Ukraine have been surviving on one potato per day and deserting their posts because they feel their leaders have turned their backs on them and they're being sent to certain death.

    "Stuck in their trenches, the Ukrainian volunteers lived off a potato per day as Russian forces pounded them with artillery and Grad rockets on a key eastern front line. Outnumbered, untrained and clutching only light weapons, the men prayed for the barrage to end," The Washington Post reports, citing multiple named sources."Ukrainian leaders have projected and nurtured a public image of military invulnerability — of their volunteer and professional forces triumphantly standing up to the Russian onslaught," the article reads.

    ...


    8)


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
    Post by: af_newbie on May 28, 2022, 05:15:24 PM
    When are you going to realize that the Russians are fighting for Ukrainian freedom, by trying to remove a fascist/Nazi Ukrainian government that the Ukrainian people are mostly against? If Russia wanted to conquer little, dinky Ukraine, they could have done it any minute over the last 20 years.
    Dude, are you brainless? Almost all Russian "victories" were at the expense of other nations, including Ukraine.

    And in the Second World War, Ukraine took upon itself the main blow, giving tens of millions of lives for the victory.

    Use caution when arguing with this fellow. He is in fact brainless. He does not know what kind of animal he is, or how our planet formed.

    So don't expect much critical thinking from him.

    Orwellian logic is all he can muster. War is peace, slavery is freedom., etc.



    Standard for you. Spouting off without anything to back what you say. Take a look at what is really going on in this Ukraine resistance to Russia peace-keeping.


    MSM Offers Rare Glimpse Into How Bad Things Are Really Going For Ukrainian Forces (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/326156-2022-05-27-msm-offers-rare-glimpse-into-how-bad-things-are-really.htm)



    In a new article titled "Ukrainian volunteer fighters in the east feel abandoned," WaPo reports that contrary to the triumphant narratives the western world is being spoon fed, many troops in eastern Ukraine have been surviving on one potato per day and deserting their posts because they feel their leaders have turned their backs on them and they're being sent to certain death.

    "Stuck in their trenches, the Ukrainian volunteers lived off a potato per day as Russian forces pounded them with artillery and Grad rockets on a key eastern front line. Outnumbered, untrained and clutching only light weapons, the men prayed for the barrage to end," The Washington Post reports, citing multiple named sources."Ukrainian leaders have projected and nurtured a public image of military invulnerability — of their volunteer and professional forces triumphantly standing up to the Russian onslaught," the article reads.

    ...


    8)

    Didn't you say that the Russians are freeing them? By pounding them with artillery? LOL.

    Do you hear yourself? Or you just cut and paste anything that remotely fits your handler's agenda.


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
    Post by: BADecker on May 28, 2022, 05:36:06 PM

    Use caution when arguing with this fellow. He is in fact brainless. He does not know what kind of animal he is, or how our planet formed.

    So don't expect much critical thinking from him.

    Orwellian logic is all he can muster. War is peace, slavery is freedom., etc.



    Standard for you. Spouting off without anything to back what you say. Take a look at what is really going on in this Ukraine resistance to Russia peace-keeping.


    MSM Offers Rare Glimpse Into How Bad Things Are Really Going For Ukrainian Forces (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/326156-2022-05-27-msm-offers-rare-glimpse-into-how-bad-things-are-really.htm)



    In a new article titled "Ukrainian volunteer fighters in the east feel abandoned," WaPo reports that contrary to the triumphant narratives the western world is being spoon fed, many troops in eastern Ukraine have been surviving on one potato per day and deserting their posts because they feel their leaders have turned their backs on them and they're being sent to certain death.

    "Stuck in their trenches, the Ukrainian volunteers lived off a potato per day as Russian forces pounded them with artillery and Grad rockets on a key eastern front line. Outnumbered, untrained and clutching only light weapons, the men prayed for the barrage to end," The Washington Post reports, citing multiple named sources."Ukrainian leaders have projected and nurtured a public image of military invulnerability — of their volunteer and professional forces triumphantly standing up to the Russian onslaught," the article reads.

    ...


    8)

    Didn't you say that the Russians are freeing them? By pounding them with artillery? LOL.

    Do you hear yourself? Or you just cut and paste anything that remotely fits your handler's agenda.


    By pounding who with artillery? In police actions, this happens among military's, and it's going to affect some civilians... which thing has been happening over the last 8 years as the Ukraine has killed a bunch (14,000?) of Russian civilians.

    And now, with the US supporting Ukraine, and not listening to the diplomats from Russia when they ask for US help to stop the Ukraine killing of their people, what is Russia supposed to do? Just roll over and play dead?

    It isn't as simple as you want to make it. More and more it sounds like you simply want to get out there and kill somebody. And this time your focus happens to be on Russians.

    8)


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
    Post by: af_newbie on May 28, 2022, 05:51:12 PM

    Use caution when arguing with this fellow. He is in fact brainless. He does not know what kind of animal he is, or how our planet formed.

    So don't expect much critical thinking from him.

    Orwellian logic is all he can muster. War is peace, slavery is freedom., etc.



    Standard for you. Spouting off without anything to back what you say. Take a look at what is really going on in this Ukraine resistance to Russia peace-keeping.


    MSM Offers Rare Glimpse Into How Bad Things Are Really Going For Ukrainian Forces (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/326156-2022-05-27-msm-offers-rare-glimpse-into-how-bad-things-are-really.htm)



    In a new article titled "Ukrainian volunteer fighters in the east feel abandoned," WaPo reports that contrary to the triumphant narratives the western world is being spoon fed, many troops in eastern Ukraine have been surviving on one potato per day and deserting their posts because they feel their leaders have turned their backs on them and they're being sent to certain death.

    "Stuck in their trenches, the Ukrainian volunteers lived off a potato per day as Russian forces pounded them with artillery and Grad rockets on a key eastern front line. Outnumbered, untrained and clutching only light weapons, the men prayed for the barrage to end," The Washington Post reports, citing multiple named sources."Ukrainian leaders have projected and nurtured a public image of military invulnerability — of their volunteer and professional forces triumphantly standing up to the Russian onslaught," the article reads.

    ...


    8)

    Didn't you say that the Russians are freeing them? By pounding them with artillery? LOL.

    Do you hear yourself? Or you just cut and paste anything that remotely fits your handler's agenda.


    By pounding who with artillery? In police actions, this happens among military's, and it's going to affect some civilians... which thing has been happening over the last 8 years as the Ukraine has killed a bunch (14,000?) of Russian civilians.

    And now, with the US supporting Ukraine, and not listening to the diplomats from Russia when they ask for US help to stop the Ukraine killing of their people, what is Russia supposed to do? Just roll over and play dead?

    It isn't as simple as you want to make it. More and more it sounds like you simply want to get out there and kill somebody. And this time your focus happens to be on Russians.

    8)

    Ok, now I know that you don't know much about what is happening in Ukraine and who Russians are bombing.


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
    Post by: BADecker on May 28, 2022, 05:59:58 PM

    By pounding who with artillery? In police actions, this happens among military's, and it's going to affect some civilians... which thing has been happening over the last 8 years as the Ukraine has killed a bunch (14,000?) of Russian civilians.

    And now, with the US supporting Ukraine, and not listening to the diplomats from Russia when they ask for US help to stop the Ukraine killing of their people, what is Russia supposed to do? Just roll over and play dead?

    It isn't as simple as you want to make it. More and more it sounds like you simply want to get out there and kill somebody. And this time your focus happens to be on Russians.

    8)

    Ok, now I know that you don't know much about what is happening in Ukraine and who Russians are bombing.

    So you've been there and watched it yourself.

    As long as you listen to only the reports that you like, you aren't ever going to get a reality picture of what is going on.

    8)


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
    Post by: paxmao on May 28, 2022, 06:33:57 PM

    Use caution when arguing with this fellow. He is in fact brainless. He does not know what kind of animal he is, or how our planet formed.

    So don't expect much critical thinking from him.

    Orwellian logic is all he can muster. War is peace, slavery is freedom., etc.



    Standard for you. Spouting off without anything to back what you say. Take a look at what is really going on in this Ukraine resistance to Russia peace-keeping.


    MSM Offers Rare Glimpse Into How Bad Things Are Really Going For Ukrainian Forces (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/326156-2022-05-27-msm-offers-rare-glimpse-into-how-bad-things-are-really.htm)



    In a new article titled "Ukrainian volunteer fighters in the east feel abandoned," WaPo reports that contrary to the triumphant narratives the western world is being spoon fed, many troops in eastern Ukraine have been surviving on one potato per day and deserting their posts because they feel their leaders have turned their backs on them and they're being sent to certain death.

    "Stuck in their trenches, the Ukrainian volunteers lived off a potato per day as Russian forces pounded them with artillery and Grad rockets on a key eastern front line. Outnumbered, untrained and clutching only light weapons, the men prayed for the barrage to end," The Washington Post reports, citing multiple named sources."Ukrainian leaders have projected and nurtured a public image of military invulnerability — of their volunteer and professional forces triumphantly standing up to the Russian onslaught," the article reads.

    ...


    8)

    Didn't you say that the Russians are freeing them? By pounding them with artillery? LOL.

    Do you hear yourself? Or you just cut and paste anything that remotely fits your handler's agenda.


    By pounding who with artillery? In police actions, this happens among military's, and it's going to affect some civilians... which thing has been happening over the last 8 years as the Ukraine has killed a bunch (14,000?) of Russian civilians.

    And now, with the US supporting Ukraine, and not listening to the diplomats from Russia when they ask for US help to stop the Ukraine killing of their people, what is Russia supposed to do? Just roll over and play dead?

    It isn't as simple as you want to make it. More and more it sounds like you simply want to get out there and kill somebody. And this time your focus happens to be on Russians.

    8)

    Ok, now I know that you don't know much about what is happening in Ukraine and who Russians are bombing.

    Do not worry to much about this particular guy. You cannot expect a lot from someone whose signature is a guy in sunglasses and simply states things and expect the world to believe without any argument of proof -no wonder he is a hard Trumpist - same style.


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
    Post by: BADecker on May 28, 2022, 10:08:55 PM

    By pounding who with artillery? In police actions, this happens among military's, and it's going to affect some civilians... which thing has been happening over the last 8 years as the Ukraine has killed a bunch (14,000?) of Russian civilians.

    And now, with the US supporting Ukraine, and not listening to the diplomats from Russia when they ask for US help to stop the Ukraine killing of their people, what is Russia supposed to do? Just roll over and play dead?

    It isn't as simple as you want to make it. More and more it sounds like you simply want to get out there and kill somebody. And this time your focus happens to be on Russians.

    8)

    Ok, now I know that you don't know much about what is happening in Ukraine and who Russians are bombing.

    Do not worry to much about this particular guy. You cannot expect a lot from someone whose signature is a guy in sunglasses and simply states things and expect the world to believe without any argument of proof -no wonder he is a hard Trumpist - same style.

    Said by a joker who would like the title of "paxmao Hitler" for himself, but doesn't even know how to click the links I use for proof, and certainly doesn't know how to do research.

    8)


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
    Post by: n0nce on May 28, 2022, 10:44:16 PM
    Said by a joker who would like the title of "paxmao Hitler" for himself, but doesn't even know how to click the links I use for proof, and certainly doesn't know how to do research.
    This whole discussion is totally off-topic. Icopress made this thread to show us how he sees the war from his own eyes, live witness. And to document what he does to help his country. If you like it or not, this is not a place for spreading whatever kind of conspiracy you got hooked on, it's totally inappropriate.


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
    Post by: BADecker on May 28, 2022, 10:58:13 PM
    Said by a joker who would like the title of "paxmao Hitler" for himself, but doesn't even know how to click the links I use for proof, and certainly doesn't know how to do research.
    This whole discussion is totally off-topic. Icopress made this thread to show us how he sees the war from his own eyes, live witness. And to document what he does to help his country. If you like it or not, this is not a place for spreading whatever kind of conspiracy you got hooked on, it's totally inappropriate.

    Don't you think that Icopress entered his comment into the forum to get responses from forum members? He could have posted it on the laundromat bulletin board where he does his laundry. Or he could respond to the opinions of other people posting here, in the thread. If he doesn't want responses, he could have locked it right after he posted it.

    If he doesn't read English, perhaps you could translate this post to him.

    8)


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
    Post by: n0nce on May 28, 2022, 11:02:26 PM
    Don't you think that Icopress entered his comment into the forum to get responses from forum members? He could have posted it on the laundromat bulletin board where he does his laundry. Or he could respond to the opinions of other people posting here, in the thread. If he doesn't want responses, he could have locked it right after he posted it.
    https://i.postimg.cc/Z5d5BwC2/mindblown-excuse-me.gifhttps://i.postimg.cc/Z5d5BwC2/mindblown-excuse-me.gifhttps://i.postimg.cc/Z5d5BwC2/mindblown-excuse-me.gif


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
    Post by: suchmoon on May 28, 2022, 11:08:38 PM
    Don't you think that Icopress entered his comment into the forum to get responses from forum members? He could have posted it on the laundromat bulletin board where he does his laundry. Or he could respond to the opinions of other people posting here, in the thread. If he doesn't want responses, he could have locked it right after he posted it.

    If he doesn't read English, perhaps you could translate this post to him.

    Do you have no shame at all? Someone shares their first-hand experience of the war. You post garbage in their thread. Are there not enough other threads for you to shitpost in?


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: BADecker on May 29, 2022, 02:09:26 AM
    ^^^ LOL. I always wondered how much they were paying you to spout your lies. Your shame, lol.

    Looks like the war is almost over. Even Ukraine leaders are admitting it. There was a chance, if you can believe American leaders. But we're seeing that you can't trust them.

    Who knows? Maybe Washington has something up its sleeve. I mean, another world war would certainly drop population numbers.


    Ukraine Army COLLAPSING; Zelensky (Now) Saying "Must Face Reality . . ." (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/326186-2022-05-28-ukraine-army-collapsing-zelensky-now-saying-must-face-reality.htm)



    Quite a turnaround from just a week ago when Zelensky said Ukraine will never give up any territory, and would "win" against the Russian Army.

    Over the past two weeks, the situation for Ukraine has gotten almost dire.   Its armed forces are being decimated on almost every battlefield.  Russian long range artillery is smashing thousands of Ukraine troops, and causing those still alive to surrender.

    In fact, the number of Ukraine troops surrendering has gotten so enormous, the Ukraine legislature voted on a Bill allowing military officers to SHOOT SURRENDERING TROOPS to stop the mass-surrenders!

    In the brief video below, Ukraine troops who SURRENDERED, report to the world that their commanding officers DID, in fact, SHOOT THEIR OWN TROOPS IN THE BACK to prevent the surrender!

    ...


     8)


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: LTU_btc on May 29, 2022, 09:12:43 PM
    @icopress, seems that you made mistake by not making this topic self moderated... Now it's turning into another conspiracy theories and fakes news thread of stupid trolls like BADecker, Tash and others.


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: paxmao on May 29, 2022, 10:16:54 PM
    @icopress, seems that you made mistake by not making this topic self moderated... Now it's turning into another conspiracy theories and fakes news thread of stupid trolls like BADecker, Tash and others.


    +1. As advised, do  not pay excessive attention to this individual. It is not just about his views, but rather about his inability to enter into a discussion or conversation with arguments, challenges or sense.

    I apologise for my part in getting off-topic - this is a very valuable thread and even has historical value.


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: BADecker on May 30, 2022, 01:34:30 PM
    @icopress, seems that you made mistake by not making this topic self moderated... Now it's turning into another conspiracy theories and fakes news thread of stupid trolls like BADecker, Tash and others.


    +1. As advised, do  not pay excessive attention to this individual. It is not just about his views, but rather about his inability to enter into a discussion or conversation with arguments, challenges or sense.

    I apologise for my part in getting off-topic - this is a very valuable thread and even has historical value.

    Just wanted to thank you for advertising for me. Perhaps when you get back on topic sometime, I will be able to advertise for you a little.

    8)


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: BookFlower099 on June 01, 2022, 02:10:26 AM
    [...] They recently made law whch let them to send people who are against Russian government for 15 years jail. Russian repression machine is turning country into North Korea.
    This is one of the reasons why not a single Russian-speaking Ukrainian presents his region as part of Russia.

    We Ukrainians cannot stand weakly characteristic people, and it makes no sense for us to condone the seizure of our lands, since we all value freedom very much. Honestly, I also don’t quite understand why Apple and Google have not yet intervened, since it is precisely the shutdown of the appstore and the play market and all related services that would entail the most acute protests in Russia.

    My wife is just smart [Continuing to cook food for the guys at the nearest checkpoint] :-*

    Quote

    p.s. To be honest, she is not my wife yet, but just a partner, but I think I will fix this when everything is over.
    You are one of the best kind man. May Allah bless you for your this type of kindness. In this time we see very few person works for others.  You are different man. Love you man. Go ahead.
    May Allah help all ukrainian.


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: BookFlower099 on June 03, 2022, 06:41:24 PM
    [...] They recently made law whch let them to send people who are against Russian government for 15 years jail. Russian repression machine is turning country into North Korea.
    This is one of the reasons why not a single Russian-speaking Ukrainian presents his region as part of Russia.

    We Ukrainians cannot stand weakly characteristic people, and it makes no sense for us to condone the seizure of our lands, since we all value freedom very much. Honestly, I also don’t quite understand why Apple and Google have not yet intervened, since it is precisely the shutdown of the appstore and the play market and all related services that would entail the most acute protests in Russia.

    My wife is just smart [Continuing to cook food for the guys at the nearest checkpoint] :-*

    Quote

    p.s. To be honest, she is not my wife yet, but just a partner, but I think I will fix this when everything is over.
    You are one of the best kind man. May Allah bless you for your this type of kindness. In this time we see very few person works for others.  You are different man. Love you man. Go ahead.
    May Allah help all ukrainian.


    Are you his wife, or just a girlfriend? Maybe a concubine trying to move up the ladder?

    8)
    What do you mean? I think you have some problem. Are you mad? Do you have any common sense?  Do you know pabna?
    There have world largest mental hospital. It's Pabna Mental Hospital.  I recommend you to admit there. I think Mental Dr care you properly. Trust me,  you are sick. So get admit there.


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: BADecker on June 03, 2022, 07:33:01 PM
    You are one of the best kind man. May Allah bless you for your this type of kindness. In this time we see very few person works for others.  You are different man. Love you man. Go ahead.
    May Allah help all ukrainian.


    Are you his wife, or just a girlfriend? Maybe a concubine trying to move up the ladder?

    8)
    What do you mean? I think you have some problem. Are you mad? Do you have any common sense?  Do you know pabna?
    There have world largest mental hospital. It's Pabna Mental Hospital.  I recommend you to admit there. I think Mental Dr care you properly. Trust me,  you are sick. So get admit there.

    I can understand why you might be upset. I was way closer to the truth than you are willing to admit. With all the bisexual stuff going on in the world today, maybe you are a guy trying to move up the concubine ladder.

     ;D


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: 1miau on June 05, 2022, 09:58:27 PM
    You are one of the best kind man. May Allah bless you for your this type of kindness. In this time we see very few person works for others.  You are different man. Love you man. Go ahead.
    May Allah help all ukrainian.


    Are you his wife, or just a girlfriend? Maybe a concubine trying to move up the ladder?

    8)
    What do you mean? I think you have some problem. Are you mad? Do you have any common sense?  Do you know pabna?
    There have world largest mental hospital. It's Pabna Mental Hospital.  I recommend you to admit there. I think Mental Dr care you properly. Trust me,  you are sick. So get admit there.

    I can understand why you might be upset. I was way closer to the truth than you are willing to admit. With all the bisexual stuff going on in the world today, maybe you are a guy trying to move up the concubine ladder.

     ;D
    What do you think about stopping your disgusting shitposts while Russian military is bombing Ukraininans daily?  ???
    Just an idea...

    Or does it feel too great for you from your safe basement to ridicule civilians suffering from Putin's war?
     ???


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: BADecker on June 05, 2022, 10:38:08 PM
    What do you think about stopping your disgusting shitposts while Russian military is bombing Ukraininans daily?  ???
    Just an idea...

    Or does it feel too great for you from your safe basement to ridicule civilians suffering from Putin's war?
     ???

    If nobody posted differently than your thinking, then you wouldn't get the pleasure of trying to take their freedom of speech away.

    Yep. It has taken the Ukrainian people this long to realize what a mistake they made antagonizing Russia. If they could only rise up and remove their government officials who want war, stop fighting, kick the US out, and offer humble appeals from the heart to Moscow, they might have a touch of success finally.

    Other than that, innocent people always get hurt or killed in wars. But if you look, you will find that there is a ton of evidence that Russia isn't harming civilians nearly as much as Ukrainian soldiers are. Or have you personally been traveling all over the Ukraine and Russia so you have seen for yourself?

    It all depends on whose media you want to believe, Russia's or the US's.

    8)


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: 1miau on June 06, 2022, 06:34:13 PM
    What do you think about stopping your disgusting shitposts while Russian military is bombing Ukraininans daily?  ???
    Just an idea...

    Or does it feel too great for you from your safe basement to ridicule civilians suffering from Putin's war?
     ???

    If nobody posted differently than your thinking, then you wouldn't get the pleasure of trying to take their freedom of speech away.
    The problem is, that your "different thinking" is based on lies. I don't know where you are getting them but your information is wrong.  :D

    Russia could have good relations with Ukraine because Zelensky was really open for it, but instead, Putin decided to attack Ukraine and that's not how you get good relations.  :D
    Putin has no business in Ukraine because it's an independent country and Ukraine has a right to self-determination. No need to receive orders from Moscow. Putin just needs to stop to be hostile to Ukraine.
    But instead he's bombing civilians...


    It all depends on whose media you want to believe, Russia's or the US's.
    I beleive the various reports from Ukrainians commenting how it is in Ukraine themselves, like icopress.
    Not your stupid misinformation from your couch!  :D


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: BADecker on June 06, 2022, 09:54:30 PM
    What do you think about stopping your disgusting shitposts while Russian military is bombing Ukraininans daily?  ???
    Just an idea...

    Or does it feel too great for you from your safe basement to ridicule civilians suffering from Putin's war?
     ???

    If nobody posted differently than your thinking, then you wouldn't get the pleasure of trying to take their freedom of speech away.
    The problem is, that your "different thinking" is based on lies. I don't know where you are getting them but your information is wrong.  :D - Your own statement says that you don't know where I get my info. But I post links with almost every post that I make... the serious ones, anyway. This shows us that you only care about your own ideas and don't even want to look at the other side. Either you are living in dreamland, or you are a propagandist.

    Russia could have good relations with Ukraine because Zelensky was really open for it, but instead, Putin decided to attack Ukraine and that's not how you get good relations.  :D
    Putin has no business in Ukraine because it's an independent country and Ukraine has a right to self-determination. No need to receive orders from Moscow. Putin just needs to stop to be hostile to Ukraine.
    But instead he's bombing civilians... - For the last 8 years or longer Putin has been asking for talks to get the Ukrainians out of Russia, and to stop killing Russians. Neither Ukraine nor the US would talk. Time for talk is past.


    It all depends on whose media you want to believe, Russia's or the US's.
    I beleive the various reports from Ukrainians commenting how it is in Ukraine themselves, like icopress.
    Not your stupid misinformation from your couch!  :D - You believe? Believing indicates religion. Nice religion you have there. Why don't you try getting some facts?


    Biden sends sophisticated rocket launchers to Ukraine while swearing he doesn’t want U.S., NATO to go to war with Russia.

    Joe Biden's handlers continue to have him say very contradictory things about the ongoing war in Ukraine following Russia's late February invasion. For instance, Biden has repeatedly said he does not want to engage in conflict with Russia, but he nevertheless continues to try and provoke his counterpart, Vladimir Putin, … [Read More...]

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-06-06-biden-sends-sophisticated-rocket-launchers-to-ukraine-while-swearing-he-doesnt-want-war-with-russia.html


    8)


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: af_newbie on June 06, 2022, 10:51:04 PM
    What do you think about stopping your disgusting shitposts while Russian military is bombing Ukraininans daily?  ???
    Just an idea...

    Or does it feel too great for you from your safe basement to ridicule civilians suffering from Putin's war?
     ???

    If nobody posted differently than your thinking, then you wouldn't get the pleasure of trying to take their freedom of speech away.
    The problem is, that your "different thinking" is based on lies. I don't know where you are getting them but your information is wrong.  :D - Your own statement says that you don't know where I get my info. But I post links with almost every post that I make... the serious ones, anyway. This shows us that you only care about your own ideas and don't even want to look at the other side. Either you are living in dreamland, or you are a propagandist.

    Russia could have good relations with Ukraine because Zelensky was really open for it, but instead, Putin decided to attack Ukraine and that's not how you get good relations.  :D
    Putin has no business in Ukraine because it's an independent country and Ukraine has a right to self-determination. No need to receive orders from Moscow. Putin just needs to stop to be hostile to Ukraine.
    But instead he's bombing civilians... - For the last 8 years or longer Putin has been asking for talks to get the Ukrainians out of Russia, and to stop killing Russians. Neither Ukraine nor the US would talk. Time for talk is past.


    It all depends on whose media you want to believe, Russia's or the US's.
    I beleive the various reports from Ukrainians commenting how it is in Ukraine themselves, like icopress.
    Not your stupid misinformation from your couch!  :D - You believe? Believing indicates religion. Nice religion you have there. Why don't you try getting some facts?


    Biden sends sophisticated rocket launchers to Ukraine while swearing he doesn’t want U.S., NATO to go to war with Russia.

    Joe Biden's handlers continue to have him say very contradictory things about the ongoing war in Ukraine following Russia's late February invasion. For instance, Biden has repeatedly said he does not want to engage in conflict with Russia, but he nevertheless continues to try and provoke his counterpart, Vladimir Putin, … [Read More...]

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-06-06-biden-sends-sophisticated-rocket-launchers-to-ukraine-while-swearing-he-doesnt-want-war-with-russia.html


    8)

    Every civilized country should provide Ukraine with ANY weapons to stop this Nazist cancer from spreading beyond Russia's border.


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: 1miau on June 06, 2022, 11:20:55 PM
    It all depends on whose media you want to believe, Russia's or the US's.
    I beleive the various reports from Ukrainians commenting how it is in Ukraine themselves, like icopress.
    Not your stupid misinformation from your couch!  :D

    - You believe? Believing indicates religion. Nice religion you have there. Why don't you try getting some facts?

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-06-06-biden-sends-sophisticated-rocket-launchers-to-ukraine-while-swearing-he-doesnt-want-war-with-russia.html
    Then, keep believing your fake"news" sites.
    Or how about travelling to eastern Ukraine? It's totally safe there, it's just a special operation from Putin!  ::)
    All the videos from bombed Ukrainian cities are... just fake...  :D


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: BADecker on June 07, 2022, 01:38:16 AM
    It all depends on whose media you want to believe, Russia's or the US's.
    I beleive the various reports from Ukrainians commenting how it is in Ukraine themselves, like icopress.
    Not your stupid misinformation from your couch!  :D

    - You believe? Believing indicates religion. Nice religion you have there. Why don't you try getting some facts?

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-06-06-biden-sends-sophisticated-rocket-launchers-to-ukraine-while-swearing-he-doesnt-want-war-with-russia.html
    Then, keep believing your fake"news" sites.
    Or how about travelling to eastern Ukraine? It's totally safe there, it's just a special operation from Putin!  ::)
    All the videos from bombed Ukrainian cities are... just fake...  :D

    Did you ever sit out on your lawn chair, only to have a pesky mosquito try to bite you? You scared it away dozens of times by waving your hand. But finally the only way you could get peace was by slapping it.

    8)


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: paxmao on June 07, 2022, 09:47:30 PM
    @icopress, may I ask you to open a self-moderated thread? Some other users have mentioned it and I think that, at this point, it may be the only way to save this thread.


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: tvbcof on June 07, 2022, 10:45:31 PM
    @icopress, may I ask you to open a self-moderated thread? Some other lusers have mentioned it and I think that, at this point, it may be the only way to save this thread.

    Hey, that's right.  We're gonna getcha if you don't censor.  Look out!  Better make yourself a nice safe-space nest.  Don't be embarrassed; all the kids are doing it these days.  It's the new way to cope.

      https://youtu.be/onoaKEEyNEI?t=54 (https://youtu.be/onoaKEEyNEI?t=54)



    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: 1miau on June 08, 2022, 12:56:54 AM
    @icopress, may I ask you to open a self-moderated thread? Some other lusers have mentioned it and I think that, at this point, it may be the only way to save this thread.
    Better make yourself a nice safe-space nest. 
    How about table gymnastics?

    https://i.imgur.com/nbdQrpz.jpg


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: paxmao on June 08, 2022, 08:57:25 AM
    @icopress, may I ask you to open a self-moderated thread? Some other lusers have mentioned it and I think that, at this point, it may be the only way to save this thread.

    Hey, that's right.  We're gonna getcha if you don't censor.  Look out!  Better make yourself a nice safe-space nest.  Don't be embarrassed; all the kids are doing it these days.  It's the new way to cope.

      https://youtu.be/onoaKEEyNEI?t=54 (https://youtu.be/onoaKEEyNEI?t=54)



    You have many threads to express your views or you can open your own, yet a few here prefer to throw completely off-topic half-baked "views" here to annihilate any on-topic conversation.


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: tvbcof on June 08, 2022, 02:05:35 PM
    @icopress, may I ask you to open a self-moderated thread? Some other lusers have mentioned it and I think that, at this point, it may be the only way to save this thread.

    Hey, that's right.  We're gonna getcha if you don't censor.  Look out!  Better make yourself a nice safe-space nest.  Don't be embarrassed; all the kids are doing it these days.  It's the new way to cope.

      https://youtu.be/onoaKEEyNEI?t=54 (https://youtu.be/onoaKEEyNEI?t=54)


    You have many threads to express your views or you can open your own, yet a few here prefer to throw completely off-topic half-baked "views" here to annihilate any on-topic conversation.


    Freedom of speech has been a tenant of this forum since it was part of bitcoin.org.  The manager(s) of the form have done pretty well at maintaining that principle of open dialog relative to most platforms.

    If you are dedicated to censorship as a standard method to overcome the deficiencies inherent in spamming ridiculous and already-proven-false info, you are hardly alone in the world of 2022.  You could use any of the big corporate platforms since your messaging doesn't conflict with what they want circulated.  I would say that you could even start your own, but it's not likely true as it requires some degree of technical savvy.

    The main issue that I have is that you want to both leach off the work of others here AND change the platform to be Twitter-lite or something.



    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: n0nce on June 08, 2022, 02:30:28 PM
    @icopress, may I ask you to open a self-moderated thread? Some other lusers have mentioned it and I think that, at this point, it may be the only way to save this thread.

    Hey, that's right.  We're gonna getcha if you don't censor.  Look out!  Better make yourself a nice safe-space nest.  Don't be embarrassed; all the kids are doing it these days.  It's the new way to cope.

      https://youtu.be/onoaKEEyNEI?t=54 (https://youtu.be/onoaKEEyNEI?t=54)



    You have many threads to express your views or you can open your own, yet a few here prefer to throw completely off-topic half-baked "views" here to annihilate any on-topic conversation.

    It's hilarious: the name of the thread literally starts with [POV]. For any Russians and tankies: this means [point of view]. It's icopress' point of view. His personal view, in text and pictures of how he and his close ones experience this war. The title also says that he answers questions; so if someone has questions to an eye-witness, they can ask them.

    If they want to come up with conspiracy theories or otherwise discuss international politics, there are enough other threads for that. They can even open a new one where they express all their opinions 'without censorship' (or anyone complaining). We're not complaining because they are a fan of Vladimir Putin, but because it's inappropriate and off-topic in this thread.

    @tvbcof and @BADecker, please just make a discussion thread about the issues you have, but not clog up this [POV] thread.
    Since you like to bring up the forum's history of free speech; you surely also know that there are unoffical official rules, such as:

    Forum rules

    1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads.
    2. No off-topic posts.


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: tvbcof on June 08, 2022, 04:56:27 PM
    @icopress, may I ask you to open a self-moderated thread? Some other lusers have mentioned it and I think that, at this point, it may be the only way to save this thread.
    ...
    ...
    It's hilarious: the name of the thread literally starts with [POV]. For any Russians and tankies: this means [point of view]. It's icopress' point of view. His personal view, in text and pictures of how he and his close ones experience this war. The title also says that he answers questions; so if someone has questions to an eye-witness, they can ask them.

    He did educate that cigerettes were good sellers in a war zone.  I mean, who knew?

    If they want to come up with conspiracy theories or otherwise discuss international politics, there are enough other threads for that. They can even open a new one where they express all their opinions 'without censorship' (or anyone complaining). We're not complaining because they are a fan of Vladimir Putin, but because it's inappropriate and off-topic in this thread.

    @tvbcof and @BADecker, please just make a discussion thread about the issues you have, but not clog up this [POV] thread.
    Since you like to bring up the forum's history of free speech; you surely also know that there are unoffical official rules, such as:

    Forum rules

    1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads.
    2. No off-topic posts.

    You forgot to include ~paxmao who's comment had little or nothing to do with Ukraine and got this branch going.  I guess maybe a generalize tip about when running a grift, make sure that you have monopoly control of the narrative.

    As for the relevance of posts, not everyone has a flexible enough mind to recognize relationships to context.  Or the same interests.  Maybe not even you, chief.



    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: johhnyUA on June 08, 2022, 07:59:04 PM
    For the last 8 years or longer Putin has been asking for talks to get the Ukrainians out of Russia, and to stop killing Russians. Neither Ukraine nor the US would talk. Time for talk is past.

    What russian territories was occupied by ukrainians by 2022? This some kind of a joke, you're going full mad.

    Freedom of speech has been a tenant of this forum since it was part of bitcoin.org.  The manager(s) of the form have done pretty well at maintaining that principle of open dialog relative to most platforms.

    No freedom of speech to nazi, sorry. The problem with this forum (as the whole libertarian ideology) is the impossibility to differ "free speech" from "hate speech". For constructive and peacefull society we don't need to afford a voice to those who's trying us to tell that rape/killing/stealing is normal. Or invading another country with a lot of civilian casualities.

    Hate speech mostly turns into shit speech and this turns into the total unconstructive.  



    P.S:
    I will use this topic for my POW, since i don't see a reason to create separate one just for me. So tomorrow (or maybe later) i will publish my story here.


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: LTU_btc on June 08, 2022, 11:00:55 PM
    What russian territories was occupied by ukrainians by 2022? This some kind of a joke, you're going full mad.
    I don't really know why you're wasting your time arguing with this troll. It's pointless thing. He is always going against common sense. If you will say that sky is blue, he will tell that's red.

    Quote
    I will use this topic for my POW, since i don't see a reason to create separate one just for me. So tomorrow (or maybe later) i will publish my story here.
    It will be interesting to read. Can't wait to see it!


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: paxmao on June 08, 2022, 11:41:40 PM
    ...

    P.S:
    I will use this topic for my POW, since i don't see a reason to create separate one just for me. So tomorrow (or maybe later) i will publish my story here.

    Cool! I am really interested. I guess that reading some crap from the usual suspects is the price to pay to have a platform open for uncensored real stories that are really worth our time.


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: Betwrong on June 09, 2022, 09:20:54 AM
    OP, @icopress, brother, you are in Mykolaiv now, right? Can you update on the situation in the city? On twitter I see reports of long food lines

    https://i.imgur.com/X0EI8RU.png

    and heavy rocket strikes.

    https://i.imgur.com/1dbh0Th.png

    What's true and what's not?

    It's much calmer here in Kyiv since recently, compared to the first 2 months of the war. We were attacked this Sunday by rockets launched from the Caspian Sea,


    https://i.imgur.com/0jl4m5k.png
     (https://youtu.be/g70KAIOorx8)

    and our windows did shudder at 6 AM from the explosions because we live in the district that was attacked, but I feel like your situation is much more dire.

    Please share with us.


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: tvbcof on June 09, 2022, 10:11:35 AM
    ...
    What's true and what's not?
    ...

    Best I can tell, Russia fires pretty specifically and accurately at targets which are, with high probability, involved in military and military logistics operations.  People living in Kiev seem fairly comfortable living in Kiev as long as they are not near military targets, and high profile Western politicians are comfortable strolling around the streets.  The more the citizenry of Kiev are used as human shields for logistics operations, the more danger they will be in, but one can hardly blame Russia for that.

    Conversely, the Ukrainians seem happy to shell civilian targets specifically on their last trip out of one of the formerly Ukrainian areas.  Maybe it is just that the military targets are just to hard to reach and the ammunition is in the use-em-or-lose-em category so they exercise their characteristic vindictiveness against the civilian populations.  That contention is bolstered by the testimonies of the countless Ukrainian POWs and deserters.

    The tactics of the Ukraine forces is echoed also by the civilians who actually do have a current 'POV' and have not bailed to Poland or whatever.

    There is an inherent justice in this situation (unlike most of the operations engaged in by the West) in that the responsible side has the ability to target anywhere in the 'enemy' country at will, whereas the Jewkrainians are only allowed a limited range and a few shots from the titanium framed Western weapons before they break and have to be abandoned.  God is Great?



    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: johhnyUA on June 09, 2022, 01:13:25 PM
    Best I can tell, Russia fires pretty specifically and accurately

    True, true

    https://i.imgur.com/r4j7YH3.png

    Russians tried to hit semi-military factory in Kyiv twice (!), first at 15th of March and second time at 28 of April. Both times they hit with pretty bad accuracy. This building was hit by russian missile insted of its main target at April.

    So russian accuracy is pretty bad, i would even call it "awful". There a lot of targets that was hit 1-2-3 times in the past with a lot of rockets or missiles and they still function pretty good. For example, today news: "Pociйcький aгpecop aтaкyвaв paкeтaми Hoвoгpaд-Boлинcький нa Житoмиpщинi — пoвiдoмив гoлoвa Житoмиpcькoї OBA Biтaлiй Бyнeчкo. Зa йoгo cлoвaми, в нiч нa 9 чepвня pociйcькa paкeтa влyчилa в бaгaтoпoвepxiвкy:"Iнфopмaцiї пpo пocтpaждaлиx нeмaє, нa мicцi пpaцюють пpaвooxopoнцi""

    Translating: Trying to hit some target, russians hit civilian building.

    Image is highly blured, for obvious reasons (don't want to boost russian accuracy)
    https://i.imgur.com/jRhorg6.png


    So, you can tell your coolstories to someone else.


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: BADecker on June 09, 2022, 02:02:17 PM
    Best I can tell, Russia fires pretty specifically and accurately

    True, true

    https://i.imgur.com/r4j7YH3.png

    Russians tried to hit semi-military factory in Kyiv twice (!), first at 15th of March and second time at 28 of April. Both times they hit with pretty bad accuracy. This building was hit by russian missile insted of its main target at April.

    So russian accuracy is pretty bad, i would even call it "awful". There a lot of targets that was hit 1-2-3 times in the past with a lot of rockets or missiles and they still function pretty good. For example, today news: "Pociйcький aгpecop aтaкyвaв paкeтaми Hoвoгpaд-Boлинcький нa Житoмиpщинi — пoвiдoмив гoлoвa Житoмиpcькoї OBA Biтaлiй Бyнeчкo. Зa йoгo cлoвaми, в нiч нa 9 чepвня pociйcькa paкeтa влyчилa в бaгaтoпoвepxiвкy:"Iнфopмaцiї пpo пocтpaждaлиx нeмaє, нa мicцi пpaцюють пpaвooxopoнцi""

    Translating: Trying to hit some target, russians hit civilian building.

    Image is highly blured, for obvious reasons (don't want to boost russian accuracy)
    https://i.imgur.com/jRhorg6.png


    So, you can tell your coolstories to someone else.


    If we could only believe that the pictures are Ukrainian buildings, how many buildings there are, who took the pictures and why, and loads of other things about the whole war. Since much of the Russian point of view is being cencored by the media, this doesn't really tell us anything... even if it is a true Ukrainian building.

    There is, however, one big thing the pictures tell us. They tell us the the 9/11 Twin Towers came down by demolition. Otherwise, these Ukrainian(?) buildings would have fallen long ago.

    8)


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: johhnyUA on June 09, 2022, 04:12:19 PM
    If we could only believe that the pictures are Ukrainian buildings, how many buildings there are, who took the pictures and why,

    We can play a game: I will send 0.05 btc to escrow on this forum and you will do the same. Then, i will go to locations of first building (located in Kyiv, near subway) and will make a photo of this building with a geolocation. If i will do this, I'll take all funds, if there is no such building - you will take all bank.
    Sounds good, isn't it?

    The problem for you, that I'm located in Kyiv and i have a far better understanding what hit building in my city than a silly bot like you.


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: n0nce on June 09, 2022, 05:22:29 PM
    There is, however, one big thing the pictures tell us. They tell us the the 9/11 Twin Towers came down by demolition. Otherwise, these Ukrainian(?) buildings would have fallen long ago.
    Excuse my language, but; your ignorance truly surpasses all my expectations...
    I think it's obvious for anyone else, but the way a building is built makes a huge difference on how it 'reacts' when hit by a plane. The Twin Towers were mostly held by steel which fails totally differently than pure concrete. Which is how these Soviet-era buildings are made (you probably know better than me how these buildings are made - but I'm certain they're not held by essentially a 'steel core').
    Let's not forget Russia did not send Kamikaze passenger planes into these buildings, but rockets, which cause a totally different type of destruction.

    Also: Your off-topic tangents are getting completely out of control dude.
    This is still a 'point of view' from Ukrainian people; no more, no less. Let's leave it like that.

    If we could only believe that the pictures are Ukrainian buildings, how many buildings there are, who took the pictures and why,

    We can play a game: I will send 0.05 btc to escrow on this forum and you will do the same. Then, i will go to locations of first building (located in Kyiv, near subway) and will make a photo of this building with a geolocation. If i will do this, I'll take all funds, if there is no such building - you will take all bank.
    Sounds good, isn't it?

    The problem for you, that I'm located in Kyiv and i have a far better understanding what hit building in my city than a silly bot like you.
    I love this idea! Let's make it happen (as long as it's safe to do). First-person reports from the area are what this whole thread was originally made for.


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: be.open on June 09, 2022, 05:38:19 PM
    Let's not forget Russia did not send Kamikaze passenger planes into these buildings, but rockets, which cause a totally different type of destruction.
    The nature of the destruction from Russian sea- and air-launched missiles used in Ukraine is fairly well known. Most likely, the photographs show traces of destruction from downed Russian missiles, for which we must thank the Ukrainian missile defense system.


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: BADecker on June 09, 2022, 06:50:31 PM
    If we could only believe that the pictures are Ukrainian buildings, how many buildings there are, who took the pictures and why,

    We can play a game: I will send 0.05 btc to escrow on this forum and you will do the same. Then, i will go to locations of first building (located in Kyiv, near subway) and will make a photo of this building with a geolocation. If i will do this, I'll take all funds, if there is no such building - you will take all bank.
    Sounds good, isn't it?

    The problem for you, that I'm located in Kyiv and i have a far better understanding what hit building in my city than a silly bot like you.

    Oh, stop being so silly! Even if the buildings in the pictures are Ukraine buildings, we don't know for a fact that they weren't hit by friendly fire, or that a faction of the Ukraine - or one of the independent nations inside the Ukraine - did it.

    Besides that, you can point to a damaged Ukrainian building that Russia truly damaged. But if you don't show all the damage the Ukraine has been trying to do to Russia, you don't really have a case.

    Just because Russia is better at its fighting job, doesn't mean that it didn't put up with loads of grief from Ukraine for years. Things like this would simply be a little slap for all those years of messing with Russia.

    Stop trying to say this or that about this whole Russian police action without showing the whole story all around, silly. Since Putin filed on #51 of the UN Charter, and the UN Security Counsel hasn't admonished Russia for it, Russia is perfectly legal in what it is doing.





    There is, however, one big thing the pictures tell us. They tell us the the 9/11 Twin Towers came down by demolition. Otherwise, these Ukrainian(?) buildings would have fallen long ago.
    Excuse my language, but; your ignorance truly surpasses all my expectations...
    I think it's obvious for anyone else, but the way a building is built makes a huge difference on how it 'reacts' when hit by a plane. The Twin Towers were mostly held by steel which fails totally differently than pure concrete. Which is how these Soviet-era buildings are made (you probably know better than me how these buildings are made - but I'm certain they're not held by essentially a 'steel core').
    Let's not forget Russia did not send Kamikaze passenger planes into these buildings, but rockets, which cause a totally different type of destruction.

    Also: Your off-topic tangents are getting completely out of control dude.
    This is still a 'point of view' from Ukrainian people; no more, no less. Let's leave it like that.


    And another silly one. You haven't looked at the pictures of the Twin Towers collapsing, have you. You can literally see the demolition in the videos of the collapses. No demolition in some Ukrainian building doesn't mean that it won't collapse. It only means that it won't collapse by demolition.

    8)


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: johhnyUA on June 09, 2022, 08:16:16 PM
    Oh, stop being so silly! Even if the buildings in the pictures are Ukraine buildings, we don't know for a fact that they weren't hit by friendly fire

    I heard this explosions and i know for sure that it's not a "friednly fire". Ukraine doesn't have cruise missile and there is any artillery in the city. So yeah, because this building is close to semi-military factory and russians are pretty bad shooters, we have civilian building hit by russian missile.


    But yeah, after few your posts i see that you're very bad (in terms of perfomance) kremlin troll. Welcome to my ignore list.



    P.S:
    Yeah guys, I know about telling my POV. But there is a lot of text and some photos need to be blured, so not so fast as I or you would want, ha ha


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: tvbcof on June 09, 2022, 09:02:34 PM
    Oh, stop being so silly! Even if the buildings in the pictures are Ukraine buildings, we don't know for a fact that they weren't hit by friendly fire

    I heard this explosions and i know for sure that it's not a "friednly fire". Ukraine doesn't have cruise missile and there is any artillery in the city. So yeah, because this building is close to semi-military factory and russians are pretty bad shooters, we have civilian building hit by russian missile.
    ...

    If said building is in fact non-military, maybe the precision weapons were slightly diverted by Ukrainian EW.

    Civilized and responsible countries don't put weapons factories, ammo transit depots, etc, in the middle of large cities so as to avoid situations like this.  IOW, they don't use human shields.

    BTW, why don't you just post a street-view link of the building rather than diddle around with some 'bet' (on nothing of any significance.)  You probably are not sophisticated enough to even know that metadata tags in photos files are trivially manipulated most of the time.  Beyond that, nobody is particularly surprised that a handful of buildings in Kiev did get some damage, and yes, probably even some ones which were collateral damage.

    Before sending this note, I wanted to see if streetview actually worked in Kiev and picked a totally random spot on a totally random street.  It does.  Imagery from 2015 and, I shit you not, there is a swastika painted on a shed!  @50.4661427,30.4881492



    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: paxmao on June 09, 2022, 09:21:14 PM
    Let's not forget Russia did not send Kamikaze passenger planes into these buildings, but rockets, which cause a totally different type of destruction.
    The nature of the destruction from Russian sea- and air-launched missiles used in Ukraine is fairly well known. Most likely, the photographs show traces of destruction from downed Russian missiles, for which we must thank the Ukrainian missile defense system.

    Deny, give fake info, repeat all common places about the RF capabilities... RF does not have enough precision weapons to wage this war, nor they care much about the civilian damages. You are bot repeating official propaganda over and over despite massive evidence of how the Psychos that direct the RF army specifically using tactics that destroy cities without any sense. Seen in Aleppo, seen in Mariupol and seen anywhere the orcs set foot.

    Even the most stupid of Adolf Putin's orc followers knows that the RF army is just a cheese grinder that can't tell their own mouth from their ass when shelling.


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: johhnyUA on June 09, 2022, 11:08:23 PM
    If said building is in fact non-military, maybe the precision weapons were slightly diverted by Ukrainian EW.

    Russia don't have any "precision weapons" if we are using the same sense as for western weapons. Even russian cruise missiles are pretty bad, and have accuracy like 20-50 (or even more) meters.

    Civilized and responsible countries don't put weapons factories, ammo transit depots, etc, in the middle of large cities so as to avoid situations like this.  IOW, they don't use human shields.

    Really? Sooooo
    What you would tell about semi-military factory called Ao "Mashinostroitel'nyy Zavod "Armalit" which located in the center of Saint Petersburg? It produces also guides for rocket launchers like "Grad" or "Hurricane". Or "Leningradskiy Severnyy Zavod" which produces rockets and missiles (and it's also located in the city. You can check it here - http://lensevzavod.ru/
    Here it news from 2018, and you can see that this factory is very close to buildings -https://www.dp.ru/a/2018/11/17/Dim_ot_pozhara_na_Severnom

    So, stop your bullshit, or you will get to my ignore list as fast as your silly friend.

    BTW, why don't you just post a street-view link of the building rather than diddle around with some 'bet' (on nothing of any significance.)

    Because of you are poor silly bots and you should be punished for nonsense you're pushing here. You can find this building by yourself with ease. The reason why you don't do this is pretty clear - you need to shitpost to be paid. And i don't want to play with you in such games.

    If you're really want to know the truth and has doubts about me, you can bet on it with your own money. If you don't want - find it by yourself.

      You probably are not sophisticated enough to even know that metadata tags in photos files are trivially manipulated most of the time.

    Metadata has nothing to do with this case. It's easy to verify is this building on location which I'll provide or not (trough Google photo for example)


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: BADecker on June 09, 2022, 11:10:58 PM
    Let's not forget Russia did not send Kamikaze passenger planes into these buildings, but rockets, which cause a totally different type of destruction.
    The nature of the destruction from Russian sea- and air-launched missiles used in Ukraine is fairly well known. Most likely, the photographs show traces of destruction from downed Russian missiles, for which we must thank the Ukrainian missile defense system.

    Deny, give fake info, repeat all common places about the RF capabilities... RF does not have enough precision weapons to wage this war, nor they care much about the civilian damages. You are bot repeating official propaganda over and over despite massive evidence of how the Psychos that direct the RF army specifically using tactics that destroy cities without any sense. Seen in Aleppo, seen in Mariupol and seen anywhere the orcs set foot.

    Even the most stupid of Adolf Putin's orc followers knows that the RF army is just a cheese grinder that can't tell their own mouth from their ass when shelling.

    We'd really like you to go back to Russia so you can find more info to feed us. ;D

    8)


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: be.open on June 10, 2022, 07:25:08 AM
    Let's not forget Russia did not send Kamikaze passenger planes into these buildings, but rockets, which cause a totally different type of destruction.
    The nature of the destruction from Russian sea- and air-launched missiles used in Ukraine is fairly well known. Most likely, the photographs show traces of destruction from downed Russian missiles, for which we must thank the Ukrainian missile defense system.

    Deny, give fake info, repeat all common places about the RF capabilities... RF does not have enough precision weapons to wage this war, nor they care much about the civilian damages. You are bot repeating official propaganda over and over despite massive evidence of how the Psychos that direct the RF army specifically using tactics that destroy cities without any sense. Seen in Aleppo, seen in Mariupol and seen anywhere the orcs set foot.

    Even the most stupid of Adolf Putin's orc followers knows that the RF army is just a cheese grinder that can't tell their own mouth from their ass when shelling.
    Yes, yes, I remember that Russia's missiles were supposed to end in mid-March. But for some reason they don't end. Mostly sea-based Kalibr missiles and X101 air-launched cruise missiles work at military infrastructure facilities in Ukraine, land-based Iskander missiles are used less frequently. Each such rocket contains approximately 400 kg of explosives in TNT equivalent. I think in six months or a year after the start of this operation, you will also gradually learn to understand Russian weapons.


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: paxmao on June 10, 2022, 10:25:33 AM
    Oh, stop being so silly! Even if the buildings in the pictures are Ukraine buildings, we don't know for a fact that they weren't hit by friendly fire

    I heard this explosions and i know for sure that it's not a "friednly fire". Ukraine doesn't have cruise missile and there is any artillery in the city. So yeah, because this building is close to semi-military factory and russians are pretty bad shooters, we have civilian building hit by russian missile.
    ...

    If said building is in fact non-military, maybe the precision weapons were slightly diverted by Ukrainian EW.

    Civilized and responsible countries don't put weapons factories, ammo transit depots, etc, in the middle of large cities so as to avoid situations like this.  IOW, they don't use human shields.
    ...



    Meanwhile in Moscow...


    Ministry of Defence.

    https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/main-building-of-the-ministry-of-defence-of-the-russian-federation-is-picture-id1065083576

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Building_of_the_Ministry_of_Defense_(Russia) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Building_of_the_Ministry_of_Defense_(Russia))

    https://www.google.com/maps/search/russian+barracks+in+moscow/@55.7596161,37.6161838,12.63z (https://www.google.com/maps/search/russian+barracks+in+moscow/@55.7596161,37.6161838,12.63z)


    All these are legitimate targets.


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: tvbcof on June 10, 2022, 11:24:17 AM

    If said building is in fact non-military, maybe the precision weapons were slightly diverted by Ukrainian EW.

    Civilized and responsible countries don't put weapons factories, ammo transit depots, etc, in the middle of large cities so as to avoid situations like this.  IOW, they don't use human shields.
    ...

    Meanwhile in Moscow...

    Ministry of Defence.

    [_img width=400]https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/main-building-of-the-ministry-of-defence-of-the-russian-federation-is-picture-id1065083576[/img]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Building_of_the_Ministry_of_Defense_(Russia) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Building_of_the_Ministry_of_Defense_(Russia))

    https://www.google.com/maps/search/russian+barracks+in+moscow/@55.7596161,37.6161838,12.63z (https://www.google.com/maps/search/russian+barracks+in+moscow/@55.7596161,37.6161838,12.63z)

    All these are legitimate targets.

    Comparing apples to oranges due to your reading difficulties, but...

    Legitimate target to drugged up psychopath actors like Xelensky perhaps.  I wouldn't rule out that Russia's MOD headquarters are untouched not because the ZioNazi's are not dumb enough to do it, but more because they don't have the means.

    Here's Ukraine's.  Has it been bombed?  If not, why not?  I mean unstoppable Russian hypersonic weapons that can easily destroy city blocks routinely fly practically right over Kiev on their way to mercenary barracks in Lviv so obviously the 'orcs' could easily vaporize the place at will.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Defence_building_(Ukraine) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Defence_building_(Ukraine))



    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: johhnyUA on June 10, 2022, 02:59:17 PM
    I mean unstoppable Russian hypersonic weapons that can easily destroy city blocks

    The main problem that there to few of such weapons in russia.
    For example, X-32 missile (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A5-32) has a velocity around 3,5—4,6M. But the main problem that there around 30-40 such missiles (!!!). If orcs will use them all, they will be without such weapon at all. This rocket uses western parts in it, so there will be no more new missiles X-32 anymore. Only what's left.

    And the same story with all new weaponry in Russia.
    The main "working horse" of the war - Kalibr cruise missile, late soviet project, mainly was built since 1994 , when there were no sanctions at all (the same story with Iskander ballistic rockets). And we can't see any new (which was announced after 2014) weapons on the battlefield in significant numbers. Why so? The answer is easy: sanctions after 2014. And after 2022 I doubt that russian will be able to built even 5 missiles in year.

    So the answer for your question can be enough simple: orcs and their rules - gnomes, just economize their few modern missiles and rockets.


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: be.open on June 10, 2022, 03:15:20 PM
    I mean unstoppable Russian hypersonic weapons that can easily destroy city blocks

    The main problem that there to few of such weapons in russia.
    For example, X-32 missile (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A5-32) has a velocity around 3,5—4,6M. But the main problem that there around 30-40 such missiles (!!!). If orcs will use them all, they will be without such weapon at all. This rocket uses western parts in it, so there will be no more new missiles X-32 anymore. Only what's left.

    And the same story with all new weaponry in Russia.
    The main "working horse" of the war - Kalibr cruise missile, late soviet project, mainly was built since 1994 , when there were no sanctions at all (the same story with Iskander ballistic rockets). And we can't see any new (which was announced after 2014) weapons on the battlefield in significant numbers. Why so? The answer is easy: sanctions after 2014. And after 2022 I doubt that russian will be able to built even 5 missiles in year.

    So the answer for your question can be enough simple: orcs and their rules - gnomes, just economize their few modern missiles and rockets.
    It would be to my advantage to leave you in the dark about the true state of things, but I'll say it anyway. The main workhorse of Russia now is cannon artillery, and ammunition supplies are almost unlimited. Of the missile weapons, the main workhorse is the X101 air-launched cruise missile. However, since it has no export analogue, the sea-based Caliber missile, which became the main star of the operation in Syria and remains the main star of the operation in Ukraine, took all the glory of high-precision missile strikes (there was even a special term "calibrate"). I don’t want to upset you, but Russia’s stocks of these missiles are quite large and are constantly replenished.


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: BADecker on June 10, 2022, 04:45:29 PM
    I mean unstoppable Russian hypersonic weapons that can easily destroy city blocks

    The main problem that there to few of such weapons in russia.
    For example, X-32 missile (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A5-32) has a velocity around 3,5—4,6M. But the main problem that there around 30-40 such missiles (!!!). If orcs will use them all, they will be without such weapon at all. This rocket uses western parts in it, so there will be no more new missiles X-32 anymore. Only what's left.

    And the same story with all new weaponry in Russia.
    The main "working horse" of the war - Kalibr cruise missile, late soviet project, mainly was built since 1994 , when there were no sanctions at all (the same story with Iskander ballistic rockets). And we can't see any new (which was announced after 2014) weapons on the battlefield in significant numbers. Why so? The answer is easy: sanctions after 2014. And after 2022 I doubt that russian will be able to built even 5 missiles in year.

    So the answer for your question can be enough simple: orcs and their rules - gnomes, just economize their few modern missiles and rockets.
    It would be to my advantage to leave you in the dark about the true state of things, but I'll say it anyway. The main workhorse of Russia now is cannon artillery, and ammunition supplies are almost unlimited. Of the missile weapons, the main workhorse is the X101 air-launched cruise missile. However, since it has no export analogue, the sea-based Caliber missile, which became the main star of the operation in Syria and remains the main star of the operation in Ukraine, took all the glory of high-precision missile strikes (there was even a special term "calibrate"). I don’t want to upset you, but Russia’s stocks of these missiles are quite large and are constantly replenished.

    Exactly!

    Further, by this time, Russia which has never stopped preparing for self defense, not only knows how to build most of the West's military machinery for itself, also has added war machinery that it has developed, and that is different that that of the other nations.

    8)


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: tvbcof on June 10, 2022, 04:57:57 PM

    Further, by this time, Russia which has never stopped preparing for self defense, not only knows how to build most of the West's military machinery for itself, also has added war machinery that it has developed, and that is different that that of the other nations.


    I think it a fair working model to assume that everything the Americans have, the Israelis have.  And pretty much everything the Israelis have is available to Russia and China if the price is right, or if it serves some other purpose that the Israelis suppose to be useful to them.



    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: johhnyUA on June 10, 2022, 08:52:37 PM
    And pretty much everything the Israelis have is available to Russia and China if the price is right,

    Because israelis are "greedy filthy half-humans"? But i had no doubt that every pro-russian scum is also antisemitic garbage.

    Israel don't sell any weaponry to anyone if USA forbit this to do. Period. I know this because I'm in fact ukrainian jew and i know about Israel much more than you  ;)

    The only channel of technology for russia is China, but here I also doubt. China would not risk (at least for now) to give microelectronic to such sanctioned country. Or price will be like x10-x100 from market. With x100 price you can't build a lot of rockets and missiles tho.


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: tvbcof on June 10, 2022, 09:35:40 PM
    And pretty much everything the Israelis have is available to Russia and China if the price is right,

    Because israelis are "greedy filthy half-humans"? But i had no doubt that every pro-russian scum is also antisemitic garbage.

    Your words not mine, and no I don't believe that.  It's absurd.  Indeed, my primary beef against 'the Jews' so-to-speak is a fundamental belief that they are 'chosen'.  This manifests as some truly disturbing and dangerous thought patterns and behaviors often enough.

      https://www.bitchute.com/video/YWQgwkBiqDWw/ (https://www.bitchute.com/video/YWQgwkBiqDWw/)

    (Just as a side-note, the above report-ish thing sheds some light on the riddle of how a guy like Zelensky and the Nazi-ish elements of the Ukrainian government and military can get along so swimmingly.  It's probably deeper than simply not wanting to bite the hand that feeds you (e.g., Ukrainian/Israeli oligarch Kolomoiskiy) from both parties mentioned here.)

    Some of the most loathsome elements Kabbalistic interpretation seem to be much more broadly disseminated through the Jewish mindset than simply a small set of creepy Rabbis.  Things like sufficiently read-in Jews 'creating worlds by speaking Hebrew'.  i.e., lying out their asses and making up fictional stories about Russian soldiers war crimes.  People who grew up in 'Christian nations' have a hard time getting their minds around such a thing and are thus commonly victimized by such tactics.
     
    Israel don't sell any weaponry to anyone if USA forbit this to do. Period. I know this because I'm in fact ukrainian jew and i know about Israel much more than you  ;)

    The only channel of technology for russia is China, but here I also doubt. China would not risk (at least for now) to give microelectronic to such sanctioned country. Or price will be like x10-x100 from market. With x100 price you can't build a lot of rockets and missiles tho.

    You don't seem to be very high-functioning on the intellectual level and are thus not very representative of the many Jews I know.  Funny enough, I always tended to get along well with and enjoy the company of the Jews I've worked at a higher rate than most others, and I'm sure it had a lot to do with their often adroit minds, willingness to engauge in debate, etc.  To the best of my knowledge, none of the many Jews I have known and considered friends seem to harbor the grotesque ethnic supremacy of the Hasidic groups, but then as far as I know none of them had been brainwashed from an early age in the Yeshiva system.

    Anyway, it really doesn't take a lot of people being diabolical scumbags to get shitty things to happen.  It's more about the placement of the tiny minority who are genuine psychopaths.



    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: johhnyUA on June 10, 2022, 09:43:28 PM
    And pretty much everything the Israelis have is available to Russia and China if the price is right,

    Because israelis are "greedy filthy half-humans"? But i had no doubt that every pro-russian scum is also antisemitic garbage.

    Your words not mine, and no I don't believe that.

    This logical result from your words and your silly friend. Let me explain: not only israelis has american weapon. Germany, Japan, Canada and all others. Any NATO country. But for some reasons (antisemitism) you're attributing attention especially to jews.

    Indeed, my primary beef against 'the Jews' so-to-speak is a fundamental belief that they are 'chosen'.

    Another antisemitic take.

    That's the main problem: since your trying to accuse ukrainians in some "nazism" but in fact, the main nazi here is you. I've already heard from you two nazi takes in one post (!). You need to be denazified  ;D



    Ok, i'm ending to shitpost here. My next post will be about my coolstory


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: tvbcof on June 11, 2022, 08:37:08 AM
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    Indeed, my primary beef against 'the Jews' so-to-speak is a fundamental belief that they are 'chosen'.  This manifests as some truly disturbing and dangerous thought patterns and behaviors often enough.

    ...the main nazi here is you. I've already heard from you two nazi takes in one post (!). You need to be denazified  ;D



    Ok, i'm ending to shitpost here. My next post will be about my coolstory

    I wait with baited breath.  ;^



    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine (I will answer your questions).
    Post by: icopress on June 11, 2022, 11:48:46 AM
    Even though this war is very personal to me, and even though I feel like I have to stay objective, I can't stand the mess you've made here anymore (although I must admit I'm still mad at some brainless individuals). I will continue to post, but until then the thread will remain closed.

    • https://imgur.com/NsuPlYq (Video of burnt equipment)
    • https://imgur.com/Vk8CKcH (Detailed animated 3D map)

    In addition to the main grocery purchases, we bought materials for the girls who agreed to sew.
    I think it will be fun, at least this is one of the areas in which I do not understand anything at all.

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    Not very beautiful, but for that it is reliable and from the bottom of my heart.

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    In addition, while you were arguing here, I visited Kyiv and did some useful things (but more on that later).


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
    Post by: icopress on June 12, 2022, 09:23:26 AM
    • https://imgur.com/XoRLDoU

    Severodonetsk - Now (this is not the southern front, but still).

    • https://imgur.com/g6X6TQc

    This is a video from the occupied Kherson.


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
    Post by: icopress on July 01, 2022, 02:41:48 PM
    To be honest, I have no idea how many civilians have been killed in Mykolaiv and Mykolaiv region in the last two weeks, since throughout June I see almost every day reports of rocket attacks, injured or killed. Most rockets are fired from the Kherson region (just for a second, in the last three days alone, about 30 rockets were fired at my region). Not to mention the fact that it is impossible to foresee where this or that rocket will fall, because the Russians do not comply with the rules of warfare, as a result, the Russian "liberators" hit civilian targets every day, so it has become more dangerous than before.

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    Although the sounds of air raid sirens have become familiar to me, I still understand that no matter what shelter I sit in, I won’t be able to hide from the rocket, so I don’t hide anymore. + My family left for a couple of weeks to visit relatives in a relatively calm region to help our relatives harvest cherries, apricots and make jam (this is how I console myself, explaining to you the reason).

    Nevertheless, this is no reason to relax, in the context of the fact that there is no point in hiding from missiles. I still do some volunteering and in the absence of a stable job I try to earn some money by running a few signature campaigns (actually I am very grateful to my clients).

    Btw, a little about the work done.

    • https://imgur.com/a/bCEDVl7

    + This is for those who think that Ukraine has no aviation left.

    • https://imgur.com/6qFRobZ

    + The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine publishes official footage of the combat shooting of American HIMARS (c)

    • https://www.instagram.com/tv/CfOTacfjQSr/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

    If you guys haven't watched this brief infographic yet, I've highlighted in red what you should pay attention to so that your feelings become sharper.

    • https://imgur.com/Vk8CKcH (Detailed animated 3D map)

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    Even though this war is very personal to me, and even though I feel like I have to stay objective, I can't stand the mess you've made here anymore (although I must admit I'm still mad at some brainless individuals). I will continue to post, but until then the thread will remain closed.
    Peace for everyone!


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
    Post by: johhnyUA on July 14, 2022, 08:39:52 PM
    Here is my long promised story. Because of obvious reasons there will be not much of pictures. And this will be a short stories about some interesting and not-so-obvious facts.

    Sooo. From what to start?

    How I met the war

    https://i.imgur.com/WgkSLnNl.jpg
    (So true)

    I woke at 5.30 AM of February 24th because of sounds of explosions. I was not fully awakened and I lied in bed with thougths like "Omg, i hope this is storm, not what_I_think_it_is". After 15 minutes I got out of my bed, went to my panorama window and saw some Mordor-style horizon on the north. Then I had checked news before understood that it isn't a joke. A war FINALLY started.

    https://i.imgur.com/8glvIGOl.jpg

    Yep, because of two month of unrest about main question "Will there be war or not?" my first thought after accepting the fact was "Oh, FINALLY it happened!". At least i will not be thinking about potential of war anymore  ;D

    The same vibes were also between my friends, no panic, just accepting the fact and move forward.

    And yeah, I was fully prepared for such scenario: I had (!) a gun (which i gave to my friend on frontline later), military equipment (yep, i gave it too), a lot of cash, alert-backpacks, I knew safe place where i can take my relatives. Sometimes paranoia is for better , because a lot of my friends really do not know what to do.

    The situation in Kyiv in the first days of war

    GENERAL

    https://i.imgur.com/XEv7gkel.jpg
    (russian X-31P air-to-surface missile downed by ukrainian SAM at the morning of 24th of February)

    February 24 and February 25 was the hardest days, because people didn't know what will be next and how it all will end. I've heard a lot of coolstories, like "Oh, this is just for 2-3 days, until russians will conquer all Ukraine territory and after that there will be order and the law" (LOL). Also, at first days Kyiv was heavily bombed and a lot of people who didn't run on 24th, after the first night understood that to stay in potentially besieged city is a bad idea .

    Here is photo from my friend who lived at Poznyaki

    https://i.imgur.com/ZL9nd36l.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/6DnNM5cl.jpg

    I'm not sure what is this part of, maybe another russian cruise missile.

    Many services (like Uber taxi) suspended their work, most of restaurants and bars did the same. Mostly because of the reason that many workers lived on the left side and all restaurants are on the right side of the city. And bridges was mostly impossible to pass.

    https://i.imgur.com/twzBsQOl.jpg
    (because of common services suspended their work it was impossible to repair or take out your car, so the guy just left his broken car on the street. In high resolution it can be seen yellow "SOS" on rear glass of the car)

    As you can see, only one side on Northern Bridge worked, and all cars and people were heavily checked by army and police.  When I tried to pass through this bridge, soldiers had checked my passport, pockets, backpack, asked few cunning question (To know did i was really from Kyiv or not)

    In first 2-3 days public transport worked, but in the next days it also suspended it's own work (as I know)

    SUBWAY

    Subway worked at the same time as the only arteria which connect different areas of the city and as a shelter. At every station only one entrance with a lot of armed police worked and if you wanted to enter, police would check your ID, all your backpacks, pockets and  may ask you some specify questions.

    Inside of subway one line is worked (train moved in one side and then to another) and the second line served as a shelter with a trains where you can live as long as you want. Here is how it looked:

    https://i.imgur.com/cugtZSkl.jpg

    Also, a lot of people lived on the station itself in tents.

    Here is a map of Kyiv subway in the first month of the war:
    https://i.imgur.com/fhY2MV2l.png

    FOOD

    With food things happened to be really funny:

    https://i.imgur.com/JrQIOfZl.jpg

    While there were empty shelves with some cheap stuf, all expensive food was at it's place in great numbers. Hamon, oysters, salmon, expsnive chocolate shrimps, lobsters, snails, crayfish. Yeah, crayfish:

    https://i.imgur.com/21iCHHkl.jpg
    (Screenshot from video  (https://i.imgur.com/5qeSdFj.mp4)sent to me by my friend Kvanko (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=616624). As you see, it was a horrible death :( )


    What I did during the war

    Firstly, take my relatives to safe place outside the Kyiv.
    Secondly, went to territorial defence near safe place, but it happened to be really lame, it was more about standing on blockposts than something really useful. And I was the only guy who know some basic tactic skills and medicine. So i left this guys (I was able to do that since i didn't sign anything by the time) and went to Kyiv.

    Yeah, because of first two points, I've lost needed time to be drafted. I came to Kyiv at 2nd of March and by that time they didn't accept any new people (because of a lot of volunteers)

    So, I started to volunteer. Since I have my own tactical equipment store, I gave everything with a 50 % discount (zero interest) and start to buy equipment outside of Ukraine (in German and Poland mostly).

    https://i.imgur.com/m7QJbI7.png
    (this is the second consignment of military equipment. As you can see, this is mostly high tech thermal vision. Thanks to one good user of Bitcointalk!)

    Small results of my work:
    https://i.imgur.com/NhCFAtbl.png
    Translation: Pointing those to whom you help

    But this story I will tell you tomorrow (or later, ha ha)


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
    Post by: icopress on July 29, 2022, 11:38:35 AM
    In addition, my cousine has 9 children in the family (the one who currently emigrated to Poland with a small child), and she is the eldest daughter. Three of her sisters are now in Kyiv and three more live in Mariupol. So I don’t need to tell about good intentions after one of my sister’s sisters with her children sat in the basement for a week and gave the children water from a puddle. I can’t believe that I am writing this, as it would seem that now is the 21st century ... but I still get goosebumps when you realize that at such moments, neither a good car, nor having an apartment or money plays any role. Now that humanitarian corridors have been launched, the situation is still difficult, since this girl and her two young children were forcibly taken to Russia, and I understand why she agreed. Since there is nothing even to discuss when there is a choice between the life of children and their own freedom.
    Earlier I said that our large family is divided, now everything is more or less fine, since we all take care of each other, however, there is still a moral component. The screenshots of the correspondence below are a clear example of how the Russians treat those whom they forcibly took to their territory (I think suchmoon or any trusted member who understands Russian will be able to understand and confirm my words).

    In short, one of the first incidents was that the Teachers forced the children to say "Glory to Russia" in front of other children.

    But just recently, my relatives (one of the sisters and her children) were taken away for interrogation. First, they picked her up and then they took the child from the kindergarten and took her to the police station. She has a Mariupol residence permit but the birthplace of Mykolaev, so they began to ask her about the address of the military units, whether one of her relatives serves in the Ukrainian army (including friends and acquaintances). Then moral harassment began ... including threats that she would go to jail for giving false evidence. Further, it is even more interesting, because the phone was taken from her, all the chats, text messages were read and the numbers of the men were copied.

    As a result, she was released ... she began to worry because she ended up with a child in a completely unknown place, and she was only shown in which direction to go. "In the end, we got lost, I cry, and my child comforts me. We went into some kind of wilderness, there were no people, no houses, no one even to ask where we ended up". Here is such an instructive story about the Russian world and the protection of the Russian-speaking population.

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    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
    Post by: BADecker on July 29, 2022, 02:05:56 PM
    In addition, my cousine has 9 children in the family (the one who currently emigrated to Poland with a small child), and she is the eldest daughter. Three of her sisters are now in Kyiv and three more live in Mariupol. So I don’t need to tell about good intentions after one of my sister’s sisters with her children sat in the basement for a week and gave the children water from a puddle. I can’t believe that I am writing this, as it would seem that now is the 21st century ... but I still get goosebumps when you realize that at such moments, neither a good car, nor having an apartment or money plays any role. Now that humanitarian corridors have been launched, the situation is still difficult, since this girl and her two young children were forcibly taken to Russia, and I understand why she agreed. Since there is nothing even to discuss when there is a choice between the life of children and their own freedom.
    Earlier I said that our large family is divided, now everything is more or less fine, since we all take care of each other, however, there is still a moral component. The screenshots of the correspondence below are a clear example of how the Russians treat those whom they forcibly took to their territory (I think suchmoon or any trusted member who understands Russian will be able to understand and confirm my words).

    In short, one of the first incidents was that the Teachers forced the children to say "Glory to Russia" in front of other children.

    But just recently, my relatives (one of the sisters and her children) were taken away for interrogation. First, they picked her up and then they took the child from the kindergarten and took her to the police station. She has a Mariupol residence permit but the birthplace of Mykolaev, so they began to ask her about the address of the military units, whether one of her relatives serves in the Ukrainian army (including friends and acquaintances). Then moral harassment began ... including threats that she would go to jail for giving false evidence. Further, it is even more interesting, because the phone was taken from her, all the chats, text messages were read and the numbers of the men were copied.

    As a result, she was released ... she began to worry because she ended up with a child in a completely unknown place, and she was only shown in which direction to go. "In the end, we got lost, I cry, and my child comforts me. We went into some kind of wilderness, there were no people, no houses, no one even to ask where we ended up". Here is such an instructive story about the Russian world and the protection of the Russian-speaking population.

    https://i.imgur.com/iOhcpPl.jpg
    https://i.imgur.com/aCcVlrt.jpg
    https://i.imgur.com/UcpXkKf.jpg



    The Russian Orthodox Church is a Christian Church located in Russia.

    Throughout the years of Stalin and other Russian leaders, the people of Russia, believing in God, continually asked America for help against the evil of their government. But the media kept Americans from hearing their pleading. Finally the evil suppressed much of the faith in God that the Russian people had.

    But faith in God is still there and is gradually coming out into the open now that there is more freedom in Russia thru Putin.

    This means that "Glory to Russia" is again becoming "Glory to God." That's a good thing, isn't it?

    8)


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
    Post by: icopress on September 14, 2022, 11:23:48 AM
    For the past 10 days, probably every Ukrainian has been watching the news reports with bated breath ... since the Ukrainian military managed to free almost 6,000 sq. km of Ukrainian territory (September 1 - 13). As for the Mykolaiv region, we don’t have any special changes that can be shown on the map on the same scale, but no matter how sad it sounds, I’m sure that our region is one of the leaders among those regions that suffered from rocket attacks (about 1000 times). This is the most accurate answer to the question that I was asked in the PM .... "why did you send your relatives to another region?".

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    In fact, the last two months have gone by really fast... shipping, shopping, and meetings have consumed all my free time (so please do not be offended if I do not respond to your PM in a timely manner). Particularly inspiring is the fact that ordinary people pay a lot of attention to individual requests (whether it be fabric, preservation or delivery of fruit from their own garden). Although there were disappointments, as the master made a dozen defective (https://imgur.com/DlUs8tS) silencers.

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    Even though this war is very personal to me, and even though I feel like I have to stay objective, I can't stand the mess you've made here anymore (although I must admit I'm still mad at some brainless individuals). I will continue to post, but until then the thread will remain closed.


    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
    Post by: icopress on December 07, 2022, 03:33:03 AM
    It's been a little over two months since I posted in this thread. If you are interested, I can say that in Oct and Nov the siren in Mykolaiv sounded in total for about 300 hours. Generally speaking, there was both good and bad news (but the tendency to quickly adapt is a really cool trait of Ukrainians).

    The situation with the electricity supply leaves much to be desired ... for example, a week ago it came to the point that the electricity was continuously absent for about 60 hours. Now the situation is better, although the electricity still disappears every 4 hours. In fact, this does not bother me much, since a solid fuel boiler and a battery for the pump are installed in the parental home. However, when I'm at home, I also have hardcore nights when I have to put several refractory bricks on the gas stove. A little later, I will definitely show how it looks ... this lifehack should definitely please you.  :)

    From the good news .... this is that 3 weeks ago our troops returned Kherson to the control of Ukraine (the only regional center that was occupied). For me personally, this is very wonderful news, since I thought about returning my family home after the new year, since the number of chaotic missile attacks has significantly decreased (although for Kherson this is not such good news, since this city has become a very easy target).

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    Btw, a lot of work was done to find gas and oxygen cylinders, which, in turn, were converted into wood-burning mobile stoves. To date, we have managed to produce more than 50 copies that will heat our military (This is only a part of the photos, since all the photographic materials cannot fit on one page).

    Although a lot of work has been done in these two months, perhaps the biggest achievement is that another 40 additional potbelly stoves were made.

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    Title: Re: [POV] War in Ukraine
    Post by: icopress on February 23, 2023, 02:19:24 PM
    Exactly one year has passed since Russia started the war and Ukraine is still free. It was a very difficult year, but fortunately the winter was quite warm, so the bombing of critical infrastructure and systematic blackouts did not affect morally, neither me nor the Ukrainians in general. I want to add that over the past year, in Mykolaiv, the duration of the sounding of the warning siren was 45 days or 1000 hours ... Just think about this figure.

    The absurdity is that Russia continues to accuse the West of starting this war, moreover, I am a little confused because I do not understand what logic the Russians are guided by when they sing a Ukrainian song (https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMYS7Fk4g/) at Putin's concert. I want to mention that Russia has not managed to capture a single regional center, despite the fact that there are now half a million Russian soldiers on the territory of my country.

    Anyway, I am reunited with my family again, I have already chatted on this subject with some of you ... and I want you to know that your kind words mean a lot to me. After the end of the war, I will make every effort to visit all those people who have supported me over the past 12 months. Returning to the topic of discussion, I want to say that people continue to donate white fabric (for camouflage nets), conservation, food, and warm clothes. Among other things, 6 chainsaws, 140 sets of thermal underwear, 50 flashlights, 60 liters of oil for cleaning weapons, 8 walkie-talkies and 12 potbelly stoves were transferred.

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    Btw, one of these trips did me good, because when I came for things that people donated, I was offered to cut down an old tree and take firewood for myself, which I did (to be honest, I was very glad that I saved a decent amount). It may sound silly but sitting by the fireplace is one of my favorite things to do.
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    Also, There is something that worries and alarms me a little, since one of the forum users has ceased to be active

    johhnyUA, was in the ranks of the volunteer corps since the beginning of the war.

    Here is my long promised story. [...]