[POV] War in Ukraine

[af_newbie]

the lack of display of russia's 'power' is something putin will regret soon.

I am the one who does not want to see that "power". This whole war seems strange to me. In mass media I only see how many military engineering Russia has lost, while Ukrainians only have civilian losses. I have seen on tv many times how destructive Russian weapons are, how much damage their rockets can make, how badass their ships and submarines with nuclear weapon are. What I see now on YouTube and telegram - some kind of 18-21 year old kids captured by Ukrainian army. That makes me feel that either all Russian army and its potential is fake, or they have send kids that undergo compulsory service in army to war, or real and experienced Russian army is too smart no to take part in this war.

It is also possible that Putin send less experienced units first to bleed the Ukrainian positions before sending more seasoned, professional
soldiers to finish them off.

Or Ukrainians are just badass.  They decimated the Chechen contingent.  And everyone was saying how fearsome, ruthless these Chechen
special forces were.  No more.

The 400 Wagner's Group contractors did a diddly squat so far.  Not sure if the Ukrainian army killed them all tough so they still might play a role in this conflict.

We don't know exactly what happened.  All we know is that about 6000 Russian soldiers actually died as of yesterday.  Countless equipment has been destroyed and abandoned.

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ukraine is doing great defending itself, even with nato/un and other countries just sitting at the sidelines. i just think putin already lost his battle. he just doesnt realise it yet, because putin doesnt actually have the power he has been chest beating about for the last decade+

he definitely lost the media war. he has just united the whole world ^{with a few exceptions} against himself.
but what do you think should happen so that he admits the mistake or withdraws from battle? Is it possible?
I don't think he'll ever do it alive, and he should now be most afraid of his own people where most of the utterly innocent make sacrifices for his rampage.

[icopress]

Part of captured equipment for today!

Believe it or not, but over the past 14 hours, a LOT of military equipment has been captured or destroyed in the Nikolaev region.

 

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Part of captured equipment for today!

Believe it or not, but over the past 14 hours, a LOT of military equipment has been captured or destroyed in the Nikolaev region.

I would still take all this information with a grain of salt. both sides place information where they present themselves as winners, it is only part of a strategy to encourage and raise morale. unfortunately, there are more and more victims on both sides.
I find this in one of Ukrainian tg channels "Special Operation Forces of Ukraine warns Russian artillerymen, that after attacks on civilian population they will be no longer taken as POWs", the situation is becoming more and more brutal.

[af_newbie]

Part of captured equipment for today!

Believe it or not, but over the past 14 hours, a LOT of military equipment has been captured or destroyed in the Nikolaev region.

I would still take all this information with a grain of salt. both sides place information where they present themselves as winners, it is only part of a strategy to encourage and raise morale. unfortunately, there are more and more victims on both sides.
I find this in one of Ukrainian tg channels "Special Operation Forces of Ukraine warns Russian artillerymen, that after attacks on civilian population they will be no longer taken as POWs", the situation is becoming more and more brutal.

They should have not taken any POWs from day one.  Ukrainians were fighting by the book.  They even returned Chechens to the FSB.
Which I think Putin will send them back into Ukraine.

It bogged down their resources.

Putinians were killing their own wounded soldiers, not to slow them down. 

Some of them were caught dressed in civilian clothes, pretending to be on the Ukrainian side.

[tvbcof]

From what I can tell, the Russians were for the first 6 days under orders to not harm civilians even if they were running up and throwing Molotov cocktails at the tanks.  If true that is a pretty strong show of strength, and I would have to applaud the Russians for doing so.

Now apparently since it was slowing things down a lot (to fight with both hands tied behind their backs) the policy has changed.  They are badly losing on the public relations front, as evidenced by the nonsense here on this board, so they are taking off the gloves to a degree.  Might just as well.

If progress picks up, I would consider it as lending strength to the Rooshin side of the propaganda war.  Actually in the previous decade (middle-east wars and such) it seems like the ludicrous propaganda market was pretty much monopolized by the Western/Israeli side in the international press.  That left a 'market' for basically being honest and building credibility, and that's what Putin seems to have done.  Or just kept his mouth shut.  Of course there have been exceptions, and God only knows what the Russian speaking peeps back home get bombarded with.  Regardless, I certainly look to places like RT as for actual info than the Western press, but that's faint praise akin to being the thinnest kid at fat camp when it comes to mainstream media.

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I've heard that the Ukrainian paramilitaries (e.g., the swastika brigades and like minded irregulars) are shooting people who try to use Putin's humanitarian corridors to flee back to Ukrainian controlled areas.  That tells me that the Western/Israeli controllers who make Ukrainian policy are worried about Russia doing some level of 'self determination' (a-la Crimea) when it comes to drawing the new Ukrainian boundaries after he finishes things up.

[franky1]

seriously tvbcof?

your calling the ukrainians the nazi's?
your calling the russians the humanitarians?
your saying that russia had a do not harm order?

i know you are a racist and hate jewish people. so that makes you a nazi. and if your defending russia because you think they also hate jews then that makes them nazi's, especially when russia are invading other countries and the ones threatening a world war

[tvbcof]

seriously tvbcof?

your calling the ukrainians the nazi's?

Some are, and are quite open and proud of it.  This is well known.  They form paramilitary units and are used by the leadership for various tasks, and Western funds/arms find their way to them.

your calling the russians the humanitarians?

Relative to the Western powers who've had their way with the country since the coup in 2014, yeah, they probably are.  At least toward the Russian speaking Ukrainians who'd been under threat and attack for 8 years.

your saying that russia had a do not harm order?

As I said, I heard reports of it, and some of the observations I've made substantiate that contention.

i know you are a racist and hate jewish people. so that makes you a nazi. and if your defending russia because you think they also hate jews then that makes them nazi's, especially when russia are invading other countries and the ones threatening a world war

Most 'Nazis' are Jews or are supported by them because it a necessary part of the Jewish shtick to be 'victims.'  If there is not an entity to blame for some phantom victimization they need they'll just create it.

Now Ukraine probably is one of the very few places where 'the Nazi's are real'.  This would be fall-out from the historical and quite obscene abuse (e.g., the Holodomor) that the patch of land and people on it were subject to at the hands of the Bolsheviks and their follow-ups, and these are widely believed to be more than a little on yiddy end of the spectrum.  Not without reason.  Now most genuine sig-heil Nazi's are not the sharpest of knives in the drawer, but they probably do know with little doubt what Zelenski is and who put him there.  And probably are not terribly happy about it.  It's a pretty unstable population each waiting for an opportunity to put the knife in.  I doubt they'll be much of an effective force against the Ruskies, and it doesn't look to me as though they are thus far.

The smart money is that the West is setting up for covert operations a-la Syria hoping to trap the Russians in a tar-baby.  I suspect that Putin is smart enough to thwart that (by not sticking around any more than necessary to make sure that the regions he wants as a buffer zone stay stable enough.)

The West would probably like to de-nazify as well and using them up in internecine warfare within what's left of Ukraine and pitched battles at the new borders would be one way to do that.  I'm guessing that when all is said and done, a swim across the Dnieper will be the first obstacle to harassment operations in the 'liberated' parts of the terrain.  At least South of Kiev which I expect Putin will return.

[af_newbie]

seriously tvbcof?

your calling the ukrainians the nazi's?

Some are, and are quite open and proud of it.  This is well known.  They form paramilitary units and are used by the leadership for various tasks, and Western funds/arms find their way to them.

your calling the russians the humanitarians?

Relative to the Western powers who've had their way with the country since the coup in 2014, yeah, they probably are.  At least toward the Russian speaking Ukrainians who'd been under threat and attack for 8 years.

your saying that russia had a do not harm order?

As I said, I heard reports of it, and some of the observations I've made substantiate that contention.

i know you are a racist and hate jewish people. so that makes you a nazi. and if your defending russia because you think they also hate jews then that makes them nazi's, especially when russia are invading other countries and the ones threatening a world war

Most 'Nazis' are Jews or are supported by them because it a necessary part of the Jewish shtick to be 'victims.'  If there is not an entity to blame for some phantom victimization they need they'll just create it.

Now Ukraine probably is one of the very few places where 'the Nazi's are real'.  This would be fall-out from the historical and quite obscene abuse (e.g., the Holodomor) that the patch of land and people on it were subject to at the hands of the Bolsheviks and their follow-ups, and these are widely believed to be more than a little on yiddy end of the spectrum.  Not without reason.  Now most genuine sig-heil Nazi's are not the sharpest of knives in the drawer, but they probably do know with little doubt what Zelenski is and who put him there.  And probably are not terribly happy about it.  It's a pretty unstable population each waiting for an opportunity to put the knife in.  I doubt they'll be much of an effective force against the Ruskies, and it doesn't look to me as though they are thus far.

The smart money is that the West is setting up for covert operations a-la Syria hoping to trap the Russians in a tar-baby.  I suspect that Putin is smart enough to thwart that (by not sticking around any more than necessary to make sure that the regions he wants as a buffer zone stay stable enough.)

The West would probably like to de-nazify as well and using them up in internecine warfare within what's left of Ukraine and pitched battles at the new borders would be one way to do that.  I'm guessing that when all is said and done, a swim across the Dnieper will be the first obstacle to harassment operations in the 'liberated' parts of the terrain.  At least South of Kiev which I expect Putin will return.

Take your medication and stop typing.  You are embarrassing your psychiatrist.

[icopress]

I would still take all this information with a grain of salt. both sides place information where they present themselves as winners, it is only part of a strategy to encourage and raise morale. unfortunately, there are more and more victims on both sides.
I find this in one of Ukrainian tg channels "Special Operation Forces of Ukraine warns Russian artillerymen, that after attacks on civilian population they will be no longer taken as POWs", the situation is becoming more and more brutal.

I did not say that there are no losses on our side ... they are, and very large. I only meant that in the region where I am the situation is under control. By the way, speaking of prisoners of war ... I'm almost sure that this is a lie, because if the Ukrainian side acts like this, then the Russian side will act the same way (we are interested in returning our prisoners home). All because our prisoners of war return to duty, again taking up arms, and Russian prisoners of war, having returned home, will never return to Ukraine under any circumstances.

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You are on my ignore list from now on as I am tired of listening to your gibberish.

[Cryptmuster]

I am the one who does not want to see that "power". This whole war seems strange to me. In mass media I only see how many military engineering Russia has lost, while Ukrainians only have civilian losses. I have seen on tv many times how destructive Russian weapons are, how much damage their rockets can make, how badass their ships and submarines with nuclear weapon are. What I see now on YouTube and telegram - some kind of 18-21 year old kids captured by Ukrainian army. That makes me feel that either all Russian army and its potential is fake, or they have send kids that undergo compulsory service in army to war, or real and experienced Russian army is too smart no to take part in this war.

It is difficult to say what is happening in the occupying army, why there are so many young guys on the front line, but I can only say that they have no honor and humanity. Shooting residential areas, schools, kindergartens, hospitals is below any morality. A platform has been created by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs for foreigners so that they can receive reliable information about the state of affairs: war.ukraine.ua If anyone is interested, use it.

As of today, 03/03/2022, about 9,000 occupants have been killed. But do you think it bothers anyone other than their mothers? This is a real war and the russians are behaving like fascists, killing children, women and the elderly.

[paxmao]

seriously tvbcof?

your calling the ukrainians the nazi's?

Some are, and are quite open and proud of it.  This is well known.  They form paramilitary units and are used by the leadership for various tasks, and Western funds/arms find their way to them.
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Nah, Putin would not send troops to stop "Nazi paramilitars", nor to protect anyone from anti-Semitism. That is just rhetoric and is to be simply ignored.

Putin has certain strategic objectives, they are very easy to understand (if you try for a moment to think like him, someone who grew in the cold war and has not yet figured out the new world):


- I do not want a large border with NATO, I would not ever want the NATO in the Black Sea or in a situation to cut my access to it and I would rather have Ukraine as a vassal state of my Tzardom.

An that is it. There is nothing about corruption that worries him (I can help chuckling at that), he could not care less about a minor regional conflict and he could not care less about humanitarian aid nor anything like it. That is just a product for the media and the masses.

On regards to the rules of engagement, there is, as of now, no benefit for Putin to order the killing of civilians for two reasons:
- He would like to pose as a liberator and an illustrated despot to the world. Mass killings would picture him as an assassin.
- It is much more difficult to control a country in which everyone hates you.

Now, Ukrainian resistance, if it gets to the point where he might not achieve his objectives, will eventually lead him to total war and terror tactics to break the resistance. Unfortunately, in my view, Ukrainians have little choice but to resist and make Putin backdown or risk loosing their freedom to have future for generations.

[LTU_btc]

As of today, 03/03/2022, about 9,000 occupants have been killed. But do you think it bothers anyone other than their mothers? This is a real war and the russians are behaving like fascists, killing children, women and the elderly.

While Russia yesterday confirmed that they have about 500 deaths. But I think that both these numbers is far from reality. But no doubts that both sides have big loses.
And you're right, in Russia it's just numbers. Now they blocked last oppositional TV and radio channels which covering war in Ukraine. They're turning in North Korea. I saw that on their propaganda channel they turned in live webcam videos from Kyiv and said that people live their life as usual there. It's disgusting.
I hope that Putin and everyone who is responsible for it will have to respond for what they have done. And I hope it will happen as soon as possible.

[tvbcof]

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Most 'Nazis' are Jews or are supported by them because it a necessary part of the Jewish shtick to be 'victims.'  If there is not an entity to blame for some phantom victimization they need they'll just create it.
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Now most genuine sig-heil Nazi's are not the sharpest of knives in the drawer, but they probably do know with little doubt what Zelenski is and who put him there.  And probably are not terribly happy about it.  It's a pretty unstable population each waiting for an opportunity to put the knife in.  I doubt they'll be much of an effective force against the Ruskies, and it doesn't look to me as though they are thus far.
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The West would probably like to de-nazify as well and using them up in internecine warfare within what's left of Ukraine and pitched battles at the new borders would be one way to do that. 
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Take your medication and stop typing.  You are embarrassing your psychiatrist.

Well, who could have imagined?:

  https://southfront.org/ukrainian-armed-forces-destroyed-headquarters-of-azov-nationalist-battalion-in-mariupol-report/

As I say, these groups tend to be created (often by a certain tribe) in order to be utilized for certain things then liquidated when they are no longer useful.  Think about that before joining some 'ultra-nationalist' (or 'ultra-anything'...or 'anything' for that matter) organization if you are ever approached.

[icopress]

Guys, judging by the map, you might think that the situation is deplorable, but I ask you to take a look at the photos below.

First, pay attention to this life hack ... and this is supposedly the second most powerful army in the world.

Secondly, a Russian aircraft and several helicopters were again shot down on the southern front ... a total of 79 aircraft were shot down.

Unfortunately, today we have 30 people killed and wounded.

[suchmoon]

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Do you know what's going on in Kherson? There are videos of protests but also gunshots.

[Ultegra134]

there was no ukraine invasion the military operation was executed to catch the ukranian regime that violated human rights,

Nice euphemism. Not an invasion but a military operation.
I'm pretty sure when Wehrmacht entered Poland it was also a military operation, not an invasion to them. When the US went to Vietnam it was also a military operation. Does it change anything?
Civilians are being shot at, shelled, bombarded, their houses burn, their children bleed. Stop spreading Putin's propaganda and accept the facts. They are using artillery and planes to bombard residential areas and lying to their own citizens saying that they're using precise strikes and targeting only military objects. Russia is one big joke starting from their lying politicians and ending with their junk equipment and lack of supply lines.

Yesterday some Russian soldiers run out of fuel and went to a police station to ask for some. Of course they were captured and disarmed. The stupidity of the Russian army has no limit.

you act exactly like a nazi, stop supporting nazis and racism, let go of wokeism, and hand out zelinski to putin for trial at the UN.

also all lefties that put fuel into this war by selling weapons need to be put to their nuremberg trials.

and also all conservatives siding with this woke movement that created the crisis.

What woke movement?  Putin is killing Russians in Ukraine right now.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/28/europe/gallery/ukraine-girl-killed/index.html

He is a war criminal and will be arrested one day, or Russians will kill him themselves.

But Putin claims he's not bombing residential areas, that's propaganda! (My comment is sarcastic, of course). It's a shame, he's a criminal and should be executed, his days are numbered. Many Russian solders are not even aware of what's happening, many of which are barely 18 years old, bombarded by propaganda and fueled by hate and lies, thrown on a battlefield, not knowing what they're fighting for, leading to their death.

Putin doesn't differentiate much from Hitler himself.

[icopress]

Do you know what's going on in Kherson? There are videos of protests but also gunshots.

At least 50,000 people took to the streets ... after which, within a few hours, the Russian military left the city. I doubt very much that they were afraid of the protesters, I believe that they advanced towards Nikolaev (therefore, Kherson is still outside the line of demarcation).

In addition, Ukrainian mobile operators are no longer operating in Kherson, and this makes me think that temporary officials are already moving from the Crimea to Kherson who will begin to equip the post-war city. As for the shots ... the military only scared the protesters away (I did not see or hear from my acquaintances that anyone was injured or killed during the protest).

[Cryptmuster]

While Russia yesterday confirmed that they have about 500 deaths. But I think that both these numbers is far from reality. But no doubts that both sides have big loses.
And you're right, in Russia it's just numbers. Now they blocked last oppositional TV and radio channels which covering war in Ukraine. They're turning in North Korea. I saw that on their propaganda channel they turned in live webcam videos from Kyiv and said that people live their life as usual there. It's disgusting.
I hope that Putin and everyone who is responsible for it will have to respond for what they have done. And I hope it will happen as soon as possible.

In a civilized world, such crimes should not go unpunished. I don’t understand the Russians who see that many TV channels that tell the truth are blocked, Facebook, Twitter are blocked, and at the same time, none of the Russians have any questions why this is happening? Or the situation is that they are really all scared, no one dares to say a single word against the government, otherwise they will go to jail. Then why is such a life necessary?

We protect our land and therefore we will win. I am also angry that the whole world is afraid to help Ukraine close the sky, this is the same fear that gives the occupants an advantage, this should not happen.

[LTU_btc]

In a civilized world, such crimes should not go unpunished. I don’t understand the Russians who see that many TV channels that tell the truth are blocked, Facebook, Twitter are blocked, and at the same time, none of the Russians have any questions why this is happening? Or the situation is that they are really all scared, no one dares to say a single word against the government, otherwise they will go to jail. Then why is such a life necessary?

We protect our land and therefore we will win. I am also angry that the whole world is afraid to help Ukraine close the sky, this is the same fear that gives the occupants an advantage, this should not happen.

Russian people are brainwashed so much that they think Russia is doing ''denazification'' in Ukraine andthey support it. I don't know how much we can trust in this data, butthere was poll made and about 70% of Russians support Putin actions in Ukraine. Large part of their population watch only state-owned TV which wash their brain 24/7. While oppositional channels which were already blocked is Western agents which spread propaganda.
Offcourse, not everyone support war, but they can't do much because they simply fear. There was some protests of brave people, but police already arrested thousands of them. They even arrested 90 years old women who was in protest. They recently made law whch let them to send people who are against Russian government for 15 years jail. Russian repression machine is turning country into North Korea.