[POV] War in Ukraine

[BADecker]

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there was no ukraine invasion the military operation was executed to catch the ukranian regime that violated human rights,

there was an issue like that in georgia where sout ossetians got discriminated,

and there is now an issue, where russians have been discrminated by those that where in charge.
the ukranians invested nothing into the russian speaking regions of ukraine and focused all the investments on ukrainian speaking region, through that they effectively run a genocide.

No invasion, yet Putin's tanks are inside a foreign country. "Just a military operation" to depose a democratically elected government, yet the Ukrainians do not seem to be hailing the "liberators" but rather trying to send them back to their families (live or dead is their choice). Not investing in a region? Even if that was true, which is probably not, that is not genocide under any definition.

You must be fully aware of how your arguments are perceived by now. If you think your are somehow helping Putin's cause by repeating over and over unbelievable arguments just keep on, you are simply showing how cynic, delusional and unbelievable this aggression is.

Seriously, I have never seen Switzerland, Luxembourg, the whole EU, Turkey & Israel to agree on anything at the same time except in condemning Putin's war. That should give you some material for self-reflection.

When are you going to realize that the Russians are fighting for Ukrainian freedom, by trying to remove a fascist/Nazi Ukrainian government that thinking Ukrainian people are mostly against? If Russia wanted to conquer little, dinky Ukraine, they could have done it any minute over the last 20 years.

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[icopress]

When are you going to realize that the Russians are fighting for Ukrainian freedom, by trying to remove a fascist/Nazi Ukrainian government that the Ukrainian people are mostly against? If Russia wanted to conquer little, dinky Ukraine, they could have done it any minute over the last 20 years.

Dude, are you brainless? Almost all Russian "victories" were at the expense of other nations, including Ukraine.

And in the Second World War, Ukraine took upon itself the main blow, giving tens of millions of lives for the victory.

[BADecker]

When are you going to realize that the Russians are fighting for Ukrainian freedom, by trying to remove a fascist/Nazi Ukrainian government that the Ukrainian people are mostly against? If Russia wanted to conquer little, dinky Ukraine, they could have done it any minute over the last 20 years.

Dude, are you brainless? Almost all Russian "victories" were at the expense of other nations, including Ukraine.

And in the Second World War, Ukraine took upon itself the main blow, giving tens of millions of lives for the victory.

You are missing the whole point. Aside from the fact that any strong nation wants to rule the world, Russia is new. The Soviet Union fell only 3 decades ago. Since then Russia has been fighting her wars diplomatically, like most other big nations. In fact, since after WW2, it's the US that has killed over 20 million people in police actions around the world (not to say that the old Russia was innocent).

There is way more to all of this than meets the simple eye. The US and Western Europe are after Siberia for the wealth that lies there, under ground. And they are using little Ukraine - as well as other nations - to gradually smother Russia... to weaken her so they can get Siberia, and maybe all of Russia.

[af_newbie]

When are you going to realize that the Russians are fighting for Ukrainian freedom, by trying to remove a fascist/Nazi Ukrainian government that the Ukrainian people are mostly against? If Russia wanted to conquer little, dinky Ukraine, they could have done it any minute over the last 20 years.

Dude, are you brainless? Almost all Russian "victories" were at the expense of other nations, including Ukraine.

And in the Second World War, Ukraine took upon itself the main blow, giving tens of millions of lives for the victory.

Use caution when arguing with this fellow. He is in fact brainless. He does not know what kind of animal he is, or how our planet formed.

So don't expect much critical thinking from him.

Orwellian logic is all he can muster. War is peace, slavery is freedom., etc.

[BADecker]

When are you going to realize that the Russians are fighting for Ukrainian freedom, by trying to remove a fascist/Nazi Ukrainian government that the Ukrainian people are mostly against? If Russia wanted to conquer little, dinky Ukraine, they could have done it any minute over the last 20 years.

Dude, are you brainless? Almost all Russian "victories" were at the expense of other nations, including Ukraine.

And in the Second World War, Ukraine took upon itself the main blow, giving tens of millions of lives for the victory.

Use caution when arguing with this fellow. He is in fact brainless. He does not know what kind of animal he is, or how our planet formed.

So don't expect much critical thinking from him.

Orwellian logic is all he can muster. War is peace, slavery is freedom., etc.

Standard for you. Spouting off without anything to back what you say. Take a look at what is really going on in this Ukraine resistance to Russia peace-keeping.


MSM Offers Rare Glimpse Into How Bad Things Are Really Going For Ukrainian Forces

In a new article titled "Ukrainian volunteer fighters in the east feel abandoned," WaPo reports that contrary to the triumphant narratives the western world is being spoon fed, many troops in eastern Ukraine have been surviving on one potato per day and deserting their posts because they feel their leaders have turned their backs on them and they're being sent to certain death.

"Stuck in their trenches, the Ukrainian volunteers lived off a potato per day as Russian forces pounded them with artillery and Grad rockets on a key eastern front line. Outnumbered, untrained and clutching only light weapons, the men prayed for the barrage to end," The Washington Post reports, citing multiple named sources."Ukrainian leaders have projected and nurtured a public image of military invulnerability — of their volunteer and professional forces triumphantly standing up to the Russian onslaught," the article reads.

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[af_newbie]

When are you going to realize that the Russians are fighting for Ukrainian freedom, by trying to remove a fascist/Nazi Ukrainian government that the Ukrainian people are mostly against? If Russia wanted to conquer little, dinky Ukraine, they could have done it any minute over the last 20 years.

Dude, are you brainless? Almost all Russian "victories" were at the expense of other nations, including Ukraine.

And in the Second World War, Ukraine took upon itself the main blow, giving tens of millions of lives for the victory.

Use caution when arguing with this fellow. He is in fact brainless. He does not know what kind of animal he is, or how our planet formed.

So don't expect much critical thinking from him.

Orwellian logic is all he can muster. War is peace, slavery is freedom., etc.

Standard for you. Spouting off without anything to back what you say. Take a look at what is really going on in this Ukraine resistance to Russia peace-keeping.


MSM Offers Rare Glimpse Into How Bad Things Are Really Going For Ukrainian Forces

In a new article titled "Ukrainian volunteer fighters in the east feel abandoned," WaPo reports that contrary to the triumphant narratives the western world is being spoon fed, many troops in eastern Ukraine have been surviving on one potato per day and deserting their posts because they feel their leaders have turned their backs on them and they're being sent to certain death.

"Stuck in their trenches, the Ukrainian volunteers lived off a potato per day as Russian forces pounded them with artillery and Grad rockets on a key eastern front line. Outnumbered, untrained and clutching only light weapons, the men prayed for the barrage to end," The Washington Post reports, citing multiple named sources."Ukrainian leaders have projected and nurtured a public image of military invulnerability — of their volunteer and professional forces triumphantly standing up to the Russian onslaught," the article reads.

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Didn't you say that the Russians are freeing them? By pounding them with artillery? LOL.

Do you hear yourself? Or you just cut and paste anything that remotely fits your handler's agenda.

[BADecker]

Use caution when arguing with this fellow. He is in fact brainless. He does not know what kind of animal he is, or how our planet formed.

So don't expect much critical thinking from him.

Orwellian logic is all he can muster. War is peace, slavery is freedom., etc.

Standard for you. Spouting off without anything to back what you say. Take a look at what is really going on in this Ukraine resistance to Russia peace-keeping.


MSM Offers Rare Glimpse Into How Bad Things Are Really Going For Ukrainian Forces

In a new article titled "Ukrainian volunteer fighters in the east feel abandoned," WaPo reports that contrary to the triumphant narratives the western world is being spoon fed, many troops in eastern Ukraine have been surviving on one potato per day and deserting their posts because they feel their leaders have turned their backs on them and they're being sent to certain death.

"Stuck in their trenches, the Ukrainian volunteers lived off a potato per day as Russian forces pounded them with artillery and Grad rockets on a key eastern front line. Outnumbered, untrained and clutching only light weapons, the men prayed for the barrage to end," The Washington Post reports, citing multiple named sources."Ukrainian leaders have projected and nurtured a public image of military invulnerability — of their volunteer and professional forces triumphantly standing up to the Russian onslaught," the article reads.

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Didn't you say that the Russians are freeing them? By pounding them with artillery? LOL.

Do you hear yourself? Or you just cut and paste anything that remotely fits your handler's agenda.

By pounding who with artillery? In police actions, this happens among military's, and it's going to affect some civilians... which thing has been happening over the last 8 years as the Ukraine has killed a bunch (14,000?) of Russian civilians.

And now, with the US supporting Ukraine, and not listening to the diplomats from Russia when they ask for US help to stop the Ukraine killing of their people, what is Russia supposed to do? Just roll over and play dead?

It isn't as simple as you want to make it. More and more it sounds like you simply want to get out there and kill somebody. And this time your focus happens to be on Russians.

[af_newbie]

Use caution when arguing with this fellow. He is in fact brainless. He does not know what kind of animal he is, or how our planet formed.

So don't expect much critical thinking from him.

Orwellian logic is all he can muster. War is peace, slavery is freedom., etc.

Standard for you. Spouting off without anything to back what you say. Take a look at what is really going on in this Ukraine resistance to Russia peace-keeping.


MSM Offers Rare Glimpse Into How Bad Things Are Really Going For Ukrainian Forces

In a new article titled "Ukrainian volunteer fighters in the east feel abandoned," WaPo reports that contrary to the triumphant narratives the western world is being spoon fed, many troops in eastern Ukraine have been surviving on one potato per day and deserting their posts because they feel their leaders have turned their backs on them and they're being sent to certain death.

"Stuck in their trenches, the Ukrainian volunteers lived off a potato per day as Russian forces pounded them with artillery and Grad rockets on a key eastern front line. Outnumbered, untrained and clutching only light weapons, the men prayed for the barrage to end," The Washington Post reports, citing multiple named sources."Ukrainian leaders have projected and nurtured a public image of military invulnerability — of their volunteer and professional forces triumphantly standing up to the Russian onslaught," the article reads.

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Didn't you say that the Russians are freeing them? By pounding them with artillery? LOL.

Do you hear yourself? Or you just cut and paste anything that remotely fits your handler's agenda.

By pounding who with artillery? In police actions, this happens among military's, and it's going to affect some civilians... which thing has been happening over the last 8 years as the Ukraine has killed a bunch (14,000?) of Russian civilians.

And now, with the US supporting Ukraine, and not listening to the diplomats from Russia when they ask for US help to stop the Ukraine killing of their people, what is Russia supposed to do? Just roll over and play dead?

It isn't as simple as you want to make it. More and more it sounds like you simply want to get out there and kill somebody. And this time your focus happens to be on Russians.

Ok, now I know that you don't know much about what is happening in Ukraine and who Russians are bombing.

[BADecker]

By pounding who with artillery? In police actions, this happens among military's, and it's going to affect some civilians... which thing has been happening over the last 8 years as the Ukraine has killed a bunch (14,000?) of Russian civilians.

And now, with the US supporting Ukraine, and not listening to the diplomats from Russia when they ask for US help to stop the Ukraine killing of their people, what is Russia supposed to do? Just roll over and play dead?

It isn't as simple as you want to make it. More and more it sounds like you simply want to get out there and kill somebody. And this time your focus happens to be on Russians.

Ok, now I know that you don't know much about what is happening in Ukraine and who Russians are bombing.

So you've been there and watched it yourself.

As long as you listen to only the reports that you like, you aren't ever going to get a reality picture of what is going on.

[paxmao]

Use caution when arguing with this fellow. He is in fact brainless. He does not know what kind of animal he is, or how our planet formed.

So don't expect much critical thinking from him.

Orwellian logic is all he can muster. War is peace, slavery is freedom., etc.

Standard for you. Spouting off without anything to back what you say. Take a look at what is really going on in this Ukraine resistance to Russia peace-keeping.


MSM Offers Rare Glimpse Into How Bad Things Are Really Going For Ukrainian Forces

In a new article titled "Ukrainian volunteer fighters in the east feel abandoned," WaPo reports that contrary to the triumphant narratives the western world is being spoon fed, many troops in eastern Ukraine have been surviving on one potato per day and deserting their posts because they feel their leaders have turned their backs on them and they're being sent to certain death.

"Stuck in their trenches, the Ukrainian volunteers lived off a potato per day as Russian forces pounded them with artillery and Grad rockets on a key eastern front line. Outnumbered, untrained and clutching only light weapons, the men prayed for the barrage to end," The Washington Post reports, citing multiple named sources."Ukrainian leaders have projected and nurtured a public image of military invulnerability — of their volunteer and professional forces triumphantly standing up to the Russian onslaught," the article reads.

...

Didn't you say that the Russians are freeing them? By pounding them with artillery? LOL.

Do you hear yourself? Or you just cut and paste anything that remotely fits your handler's agenda.

By pounding who with artillery? In police actions, this happens among military's, and it's going to affect some civilians... which thing has been happening over the last 8 years as the Ukraine has killed a bunch (14,000?) of Russian civilians.

And now, with the US supporting Ukraine, and not listening to the diplomats from Russia when they ask for US help to stop the Ukraine killing of their people, what is Russia supposed to do? Just roll over and play dead?

It isn't as simple as you want to make it. More and more it sounds like you simply want to get out there and kill somebody. And this time your focus happens to be on Russians.

Ok, now I know that you don't know much about what is happening in Ukraine and who Russians are bombing.

Do not worry to much about this particular guy. You cannot expect a lot from someone whose signature is a guy in sunglasses and simply states things and expect the world to believe without any argument of proof -no wonder he is a hard Trumpist - same style.

[BADecker]

By pounding who with artillery? In police actions, this happens among military's, and it's going to affect some civilians... which thing has been happening over the last 8 years as the Ukraine has killed a bunch (14,000?) of Russian civilians.

And now, with the US supporting Ukraine, and not listening to the diplomats from Russia when they ask for US help to stop the Ukraine killing of their people, what is Russia supposed to do? Just roll over and play dead?

It isn't as simple as you want to make it. More and more it sounds like you simply want to get out there and kill somebody. And this time your focus happens to be on Russians.

Ok, now I know that you don't know much about what is happening in Ukraine and who Russians are bombing.

Do not worry to much about this particular guy. You cannot expect a lot from someone whose signature is a guy in sunglasses and simply states things and expect the world to believe without any argument of proof -no wonder he is a hard Trumpist - same style.

Said by a joker who would like the title of "paxmao Hitler" for himself, but doesn't even know how to click the links I use for proof, and certainly doesn't know how to do research.

[n0nce]

Said by a joker who would like the title of "paxmao Hitler" for himself, but doesn't even know how to click the links I use for proof, and certainly doesn't know how to do research.

This whole discussion is totally off-topic. Icopress made this thread to show us how he sees the war from his own eyes, live witness. And to document what he does to help his country. If you like it or not, this is not a place for spreading whatever kind of conspiracy you got hooked on, it's totally inappropriate.

[BADecker]

Said by a joker who would like the title of "paxmao Hitler" for himself, but doesn't even know how to click the links I use for proof, and certainly doesn't know how to do research.

This whole discussion is totally off-topic. Icopress made this thread to show us how he sees the war from his own eyes, live witness. And to document what he does to help his country. If you like it or not, this is not a place for spreading whatever kind of conspiracy you got hooked on, it's totally inappropriate.

Don't you think that Icopress entered his comment into the forum to get responses from forum members? He could have posted it on the laundromat bulletin board where he does his laundry. Or he could respond to the opinions of other people posting here, in the thread. If he doesn't want responses, he could have locked it right after he posted it.

If he doesn't read English, perhaps you could translate this post to him.

[n0nce]

Don't you think that Icopress entered his comment into the forum to get responses from forum members? He could have posted it on the laundromat bulletin board where he does his laundry. Or he could respond to the opinions of other people posting here, in the thread. If he doesn't want responses, he could have locked it right after he posted it.

[suchmoon]

Don't you think that Icopress entered his comment into the forum to get responses from forum members? He could have posted it on the laundromat bulletin board where he does his laundry. Or he could respond to the opinions of other people posting here, in the thread. If he doesn't want responses, he could have locked it right after he posted it.

If he doesn't read English, perhaps you could translate this post to him.

Do you have no shame at all? Someone shares their first-hand experience of the war. You post garbage in their thread. Are there not enough other threads for you to shitpost in?

[BADecker]

^^^ LOL. I always wondered how much they were paying you to spout your lies. Your shame, lol.

Looks like the war is almost over. Even Ukraine leaders are admitting it. There was a chance, if you can believe American leaders. But we're seeing that you can't trust them.

Who knows? Maybe Washington has something up its sleeve. I mean, another world war would certainly drop population numbers.


Ukraine Army COLLAPSING; Zelensky (Now) Saying "Must Face Reality . . ."

Quite a turnaround from just a week ago when Zelensky said Ukraine will never give up any territory, and would "win" against the Russian Army.

Over the past two weeks, the situation for Ukraine has gotten almost dire.   Its armed forces are being decimated on almost every battlefield.  Russian long range artillery is smashing thousands of Ukraine troops, and causing those still alive to surrender.

In fact, the number of Ukraine troops surrendering has gotten so enormous, the Ukraine legislature voted on a Bill allowing military officers to SHOOT SURRENDERING TROOPS to stop the mass-surrenders!

In the brief video below, Ukraine troops who SURRENDERED, report to the world that their commanding officers DID, in fact, SHOOT THEIR OWN TROOPS IN THE BACK to prevent the surrender!

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[LTU_btc]

@icopress, seems that you made mistake by not making this topic self moderated... Now it's turning into another conspiracy theories and fakes news thread of stupid trolls like BADecker, Tash and others.

[paxmao]

@icopress, seems that you made mistake by not making this topic self moderated... Now it's turning into another conspiracy theories and fakes news thread of stupid trolls like BADecker, Tash and others.

+1. As advised, do  not pay excessive attention to this individual. It is not just about his views, but rather about his inability to enter into a discussion or conversation with arguments, challenges or sense.

I apologise for my part in getting off-topic - this is a very valuable thread and even has historical value.

[BADecker]

@icopress, seems that you made mistake by not making this topic self moderated... Now it's turning into another conspiracy theories and fakes news thread of stupid trolls like BADecker, Tash and others.

+1. As advised, do  not pay excessive attention to this individual. It is not just about his views, but rather about his inability to enter into a discussion or conversation with arguments, challenges or sense.

I apologise for my part in getting off-topic - this is a very valuable thread and even has historical value.

Just wanted to thank you for advertising for me. Perhaps when you get back on topic sometime, I will be able to advertise for you a little.

[BookFlower099]

[...] They recently made law whch let them to send people who are against Russian government for 15 years jail. Russian repression machine is turning country into North Korea.

This is one of the reasons why not a single Russian-speaking Ukrainian presents his region as part of Russia.

We Ukrainians cannot stand weakly characteristic people, and it makes no sense for us to condone the seizure of our lands, since we all value freedom very much. Honestly, I also don’t quite understand why Apple and Google have not yet intervened, since it is precisely the shutdown of the appstore and the play market and all related services that would entail the most acute protests in Russia.

My wife is just smart ^{[Continuing to cook food for the guys at the nearest checkpoint]}

p.s. To be honest, she is not my wife yet, but just a partner, but I think I will fix this when everything is over.

You are one of the best kind man. May Allah bless you for your this type of kindness. In this time we see very few person works for others.  You are different man. Love you man. Go ahead.
May Allah help all ukrainian.