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April 21, 2023, 03:02:38 AM |
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The biggest winner will be Russia, but only if they will manage to win the war. They will get morale boost, Ukrainian territory, people, remaining industry, sea ports etc etc etc.
Do not even hope that Russia will win this war. The Russian professional army is almost completely destroyed in Ukraine. Recently there was information that the army special forces of Russia have already suffered losses of 90-95 percent due to the fact that Putin wants to capture the small town of Bakhmut at all costs in order to show the Russians at least some kind of victory. Therefore, Russia threw its remnants of special forces and airborne troops to capture him, which are almost over. It will take at least ten years for Russia to restore these elite troops. The Russian threat to use nuclear weapons after turning Belarus into a nuclear military target, and the adoption of a law punishing 25 years for deserters from military service, are all indications that Russia is going through difficult times to cope with the conflict in Ukraine, which has become certain that Russia did not expect to be involved in it in this way. . The same signs can be seen on the economic side, since Russia is forced to sell its products at less than half the world price to cover the costs of the war. Recently, after being convinced that abandoning the European market is a real disaster without alternatives, it has chosen a partnership with Turkey to distribute its products to global markets again. As a country at war and oppressed by other countries, seeking to drive them to their destruction, Russia could not help but face some difficulties. But with the ongoing hostilities, I don't believe Russia is becoming as exhausted as you say. The war has not ended, and there is no final result, so it is difficult to say who has suffered more damage. News in the media is largely manipulated by two parties, what we read is for reference only and should not be trusted too much. I will continue to wait for the final outcome of the battle. Well, if it is the opposite of what the media is saying, then I would be scared as Russia is getting powerful. For sure, Russia won't stop until they already got Ukraine, and you know that they are just getting donations from all over the world; this fight is among all countries. What scares me most is the Taiwan vs. China conflict because we are near it and there is the possibility that we will get into battle when we should not be there. Only those leaders benefit from it, and the people suffer.
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April 21, 2023, 04:47:39 AM |
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Well, if it is the opposite of what the media is saying, then I would be scared as Russia is getting powerful. For sure, Russia won't stop until they already got Ukraine, and you know that they are just getting donations from all over the world; this fight is among all countries. What scares me most is the Taiwan vs. China conflict because we are near it and there is the possibility that we will get into battle when we should not be there. Only those leaders benefit from it, and the people suffer.
I think a proper solution to all these problems can be on the results of the 2024 elections in America. If the Trump administration comes to power, there will be a big change in the image of the world politics, Biden administration's different initiatives are not supported by many Americans. It is also possible that both of the leaders may change in 2024 election. But before the election we can not expect any change especially Ukraine- Russia war. This war is gradually getting more and more widespread, resulting in massive losses.
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April 21, 2023, 06:14:02 AM |
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Well, if it is the opposite of what the media is saying, then I would be scared as Russia is getting powerful. For sure, Russia won't stop until they already got Ukraine, and you know that they are just getting donations from all over the world; this fight is among all countries. What scares me most is the Taiwan vs. China conflict because we are near it and there is the possibility that we will get into battle when we should not be there. Only those leaders benefit from it, and the people suffer.
I think a proper solution to all these problems can be on the results of the 2024 elections in America. If the Trump administration comes to power, there will be a big change in the image of the world politics, Biden administration's different initiatives are not supported by many Americans. It is also possible that both of the leaders may change in 2024 election. But before the election we can not expect any change especially Ukraine- Russia war. This war is gradually getting more and more widespread, resulting in massive losses. As they were saying that democratic relations are facades made to fool the public, while they are shaking their hands in front of everyone they are secretly stomping each other's foot. That is how I view the political relationships between different countries nowadays. Imagine those big nations spending billions of billions just to get those natural resources resorting to whatever method they could think of while neglecting millions of lives living on that country. Money is more important to them compared to manpower and lives since the more money you have the more influence you can exert in the world economy. Still I don't agree with this non-ending squable they're getting just to get what they wanted. The future is really bleak for those living in third world countries. It feels like we are treated like rats waiting to be used as experiments. Every war history worldwide is like this as always, true to the saying "history repeats itself".
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April 21, 2023, 12:03:33 PM |
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Well, if it is the opposite of what the media is saying, then I would be scared as Russia is getting powerful. For sure, Russia won't stop until they already got Ukraine, and you know that they are just getting donations from all over the world; this fight is among all countries. What scares me most is the Taiwan vs. China conflict because we are near it and there is the possibility that we will get into battle when we should not be there. Only those leaders benefit from it, and the people suffer.
I think a proper solution to all these problems can be on the results of the 2024 elections in America. If the Trump administration comes to power, there will be a big change in the image of the world politics, Biden administration's different initiatives are not supported by many Americans. It is also possible that both of the leaders may change in 2024 election. But before the election we can not expect any change especially Ukraine- Russia war. This war is gradually getting more and more widespread, resulting in massive losses. Russia in the war against Ukraine has already lost over 185,000 of its servicemen only killed, several times more wounded, more than 24,000 various military equipment have been destroyed. International sanctions have also been putting pressure on it very well lately. At the same time, Russia cannot become stronger, this is obvious. The Russian cadre army is almost completely defeated in Ukraine. And those mobilized with old equipment will no longer save the situation. Therefore, the capture of Ukraine will remain only a dream for the Kremlin. I think that the main hostilities in this war will end this year and Russia will lose in it. It will end in disaster for her. Therefore, the outcome of the war is unlikely to be significantly influenced by the US presidential election next year. As for Trump, after being charged with a felony, he may not even be elected as a presidential candidate.
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April 21, 2023, 01:00:56 PM |
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The biggest winner will be Russia, but only if they will manage to win the war. They will get morale boost, Ukrainian territory, people, remaining industry, sea ports etc etc etc.
Do not even hope that Russia will win this war. The Russian professional army is almost completely destroyed in Ukraine. Recently there was information that the army special forces of Russia have already suffered losses of 90-95 percent due to the fact that Putin wants to capture the small town of Bakhmut at all costs in order to show the Russians at least some kind of victory. Therefore, Russia threw its remnants of special forces and airborne troops to capture him, which are almost over. It will take at least ten years for Russia to restore these elite troops. The Russian threat to use nuclear weapons after turning Belarus into a nuclear military target, and the adoption of a law punishing 25 years for deserters from military service, are all indications that Russia is going through difficult times to cope with the conflict in Ukraine, which has become certain that Russia did not expect to be involved in it in this way. . The same signs can be seen on the economic side, since Russia is forced to sell its products at less than half the world price to cover the costs of the war. Recently, after being convinced that abandoning the European market is a real disaster without alternatives, it has chosen a partnership with Turkey to distribute its products to global markets again. As a country at war and oppressed by other countries, seeking to drive them to their destruction, Russia could not help but face some difficulties. But with the ongoing hostilities, I don't believe Russia is becoming as exhausted as you say. The war has not ended, and there is no final result, so it is difficult to say who has suffered more damage. News in the media is largely manipulated by two parties, what we read is for reference only and should not be trusted too much. I will continue to wait for the final outcome of the battle. Both sides will try to use the media to promote their interests. I cannot admit that everything broadcast by the media should not be believed, since most of them are biased in one way or another to one of the two parties to the conflict, given that the largest media platforms are located in the Western countries allied to Ukraine. Russia, in turn, is trying to use the media to promote itself as an important military power in the world, while emphasizing that its mission in Ukraine is "humanitarian." There are a few media platforms that publish the news with the greatest degree of impartiality, but unfortunately they are not available to everyone, since they are small platforms or published in a local language that not everyone understands. I have been following news on one of the sites from an African country for some time, using machine translation, and I can say that it is fair in conveying international news from its sources without trying to influence the viewer.
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April 21, 2023, 03:35:47 PM |
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What scares me most is the Taiwan vs. China conflict because we are near it and there is the possibility that we will get into battle when we should not be there. Only those leaders benefit from it, and the people suffer.
I haven't thought about the Taiwan and China issue because I don't think it will happen even though news about them is regularly published in the media. Because in my opinion, it is not in their favor for China to join the war right now because their goal is not only to unify Taiwan, but they also want to become the number one power in the world. So getting into war at this point is not entirely in their favor. China is not like Russia, they are more greedy and want more things.
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April 21, 2023, 03:44:48 PM |
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I must say that no country has really benefited from war, including in conflict situations between Russia and Ukraine. The presence of foreign troops or the supply of war equipment by other countries does not mean that they are taking advantage of the conflict.
It could be that there are benefits, it's just that maybe not everyone knows from which direction the country can benefit after supplying war equipment. But in general it is difficult to gain any advantage in a conflict situation because the better advantage is always in a peaceful condition and it is definitely not when the country is at war. Conversely, conflict situations can undermine global political and economic stability, and can affect international trade, resource supply, and investment. Political and security crises can disrupt international trade and investment, which in turn can affect the global economy and the stability of market prices. In addition, war can also damage infrastructure and natural resources, which can affect economic sustainability and prosperity in areas involved in conflict.
Conditions of conflict are indeed not good conditions so that any damage will always exist and will also affect conditions of political, economic and educational stability because these three factors can only run more stably in peaceful conditions. And apart from that, what you say is also true because war can trigger damage to infrastructure and natural resources that are often used by citizens to earn a living. So it is clear that nothing good can be expected when the country is experiencing war conflict.
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April 22, 2023, 07:08:39 AM |
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Both sides will try to use the media to promote their interests. I cannot admit that everything broadcast by the media should not be believed, since most of them are biased in one way or another to one of the two parties to the conflict, given that the largest media platforms are located in the Western countries allied to Ukraine. Russia, in turn, is trying to use the media to promote itself as an important military power in the world, while emphasizing that its mission in Ukraine is "humanitarian." There are a few media platforms that publish the news with the greatest degree of impartiality, but unfortunately they are not available to everyone, since they are small platforms or published in a local language that not everyone understands. I have been following news on one of the sites from an African country for some time, using machine translation, and I can say that it is fair in conveying international news from its sources without trying to influence the viewer.
I have heard all sorts of nonsense that the Kremlin speaks about the goals of their military invasion of Ukraine. However, Putin and his entourage have not yet heard of the seizure of foreign territory as a "humanitarian" mission. Putin unleashed a classic war of conquest in Ukraine. This is clearly and obviously visible, therefore there are constantly, even in the second year of the war, the goals of this war are changing. This is also facilitated by the military defeat of the Russian troops in Ukraine, and Putin has to twist and invent new goals, why he climbed into Ukraine, so that in case of a complete failure he would somehow explain that the set goals were achieved. After a significant part of the civilian population of the occupied territories of Ukraine was destroyed during the "liberation", and the civilian infrastructure and housing stock in many cases were destroyed by 90 percent, Russia will certainly have to carry out a humanitarian mission in the occupied territories and invest large amounts of subsidies in them so that the situation does not turn out to be absolutely catastrophic. The maintenance of the Ukrainian regions captured by Russia will cost the Russian budget 410.7 billion rubles. Russia will allocate this amount for subsidies to the occupied territories of Donetsk, Lugansk, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions in 2023. Subsidies will amount to almost 90% of the total income of the annexed Ukrainian territories. It is they who will receive the largest share of subsidies from the Russian budget - even more than Ingushetia (82%), Chechnya (about 80%) and Tyva (about 79%). Moreover, the so-called DPR will become the most subsidized region in Russia - if the total income of the occupied Ukrainian region is 196.4 billion rubles, then 171.1 billion rubles will be subsidies. 162 billion rubles will be allocated to Crimea annexed in 2014. The revenues of the budget of the so-called LPR for the year will amount to 134.6 billion rubles, of which 113.3 billion rubles are subsidies. The total income of the occupied part In percentage terms, the largest subsidies will be required for the captured regions of Zaporozhye and Kherson regions. The budget of the Zaporozhye region will amount to 68.5 billion rubles, and 65.2 of them will come from the federal budget. And 61 billion will be financed by the Kherson region, the budget of which will be 61.8 billion rubles.
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April 22, 2023, 07:22:11 AM |
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The winner would be the CEO of those companies that supply weapons, maybe the country that is supporting from behind the scenes will have their interests taken care of during and after the war. Imo these two are the only real winners in war, the best example to visualize the real beneficiary of war is probably the main antagonist in Far Cry 2, the Jackal a war profiteer.
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What scares me most is the Taiwan vs. China conflict because we are near it and there is the possibility that we will get into battle when we should not be there. Only those leaders benefit from it, and the people suffer.
I haven't thought about the Taiwan and China issue because I don't think it will happen even though news about them is regularly published in the media. Because in my opinion, it is not in their favor for China to join the war right now because their goal is not only to unify Taiwan, but they also want to become the number one power in the world. So getting into war at this point is not entirely in their favor. China is not like Russia, they are more greedy and want more things. The problem between China and Taiwan seems to have been going on for a long time, since 1949 when it decided not to join China. if indeed China wants to immediately control Taiwan it can be ascertained that it will do so from the beginning of the secession but it is not carried out and only ceremonially that it will do so at every opportunity when Taiwan continues to be in touch with the USA, after that nothing will happen. so I assume that China has no intention at all to intervene in Taiwan because of something that is difficult to disclose.
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April 23, 2023, 02:14:32 PM |
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What benefits from the war are the victorious countries and their allies, while the losses from the war are larger in scale than the gains. that is why the entire world economy will be affected by the war.
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April 23, 2023, 03:09:03 PM |
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What benefits from the war are the victorious countries and their allies, while the losses from the war are larger in scale than the gains. that is why the entire world economy will be affected by the war.
Of course, the country that wins will benefit because they have achieved their goal. But the winners are not the ones who benefit the most because once the war happens, it does some damage to the country. Meanwhile, many countries do not directly participate in the war but always provoke, find ways to prolong the war, and sell weapons. Those are the biggest beneficiaries of the war. The world economy is affected by the war, but not everyone will be affected, many politicians benefit from many things, and only the people bear the burden, but they will not care about us.
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April 23, 2023, 03:43:20 PM |
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People who benefit from war are not the parties fighting but those who seem to be on the sidelines but are behind fuelling the conflict through whatever means.
We do not always know who these people behind the scenes are but we know that they are powerful people from developed countries that have to score a point with war regarding defense budget, neocolonialism, resources exploitation etc.
And these people are everywhere whether in war between countries (Russia vs Ukraine) or among countries (for example what is going on in Sudan right now)
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April 23, 2023, 08:56:12 PM |
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People who benefit from war are not the parties fighting but those who seem to be on the sidelines but are behind fuelling the conflict through whatever means.
We do not always know who these people behind the scenes are but we know that they are powerful people from developed countries that have to score a point with war regarding defense budget, neocolonialism, resources exploitation etc.
And these people are everywhere whether in war between countries (Russia vs Ukraine) or among countries (for example what is going on in Sudan right now)
The people who are just benefiting from the wars are not citizens but the government and their businesses. Citizens are the victim in every war, imagine we people pay taxes for us to comply to government, and for us to have security. But sometimes, these government are the ones who give us the war that we don't need. There are some business behind this waf and benefitting with it, some are from pharmaceutical and some are the distributor of the weapons.
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One of the "accidental" beneficiaries turned out to be ... INDIA ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) See what an interesting situation turns out: India bought, well, when they did not yet understand that this was fake air defense, C400 complexes from Russia. The contract amount was close to $3 billion. Russia shipped $2 billion worth of "unparalleled" fake data to India. And then .. sanctions came. India is a law-abiding country, and international agreements for India are agreements, India sticks to its word. But the sanctions say that a terrorist country cannot be paid in dollars. Well, in general, as a terrorist country, it wanted to, when it squealed that the EU would buy gas and oil only for rubles, well, you remember this humoresque! ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) India says - "we have an agreement with Russia, there are sanctions. We are in the BRICS - let's pay you $ 2 billion, only in rupees?" ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Russia has already sold oil for rupees, and now does not know what to do with them, so she said - "No, India, we are a great country, and please let us have American dollars, which no one needs, uuu! Well, please, give us dollars, they we need it very very very badly! Give give give give!" ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) And India says - "no, there are obligations to you and to the normal world, but we recognize the debt and will pay - either rupees, or we are waiting for the lifting of sanctions! ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) )) Understand how beautiful it turns out!? And it's good for India! It turns out ... India is an interested country .. And this means!? .... ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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April 25, 2023, 11:55:01 PM |
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What benefits from the war are the victorious countries and their allies, while the losses from the war are larger in scale than the gains. that is why the entire world economy will be affected by the war.
Winning a war in general is indeed an advantage, but I would not see it as an advantage because a country that wins a war also suffers a lot of damage in its infrastructure sector even though not all of it is damaged, but the country that wins the war also has to make some improvements which require they pay for it. So those who win actually don't benefit either and in my opinion the most profitable in these conditions are journalists who always get the latest news and who are able to make the latest news based on facts that occur because war content is usually very much interested in reading it.
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April 27, 2023, 12:37:19 PM |
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What scares me most is the Taiwan vs. China conflict because we are near it and there is the possibility that we will get into battle when we should not be there. Only those leaders benefit from it, and the people suffer.
I haven't thought about the Taiwan and China issue because I don't think it will happen even though news about them is regularly published in the media. Because in my opinion, it is not in their favor for China to join the war right now because their goal is not only to unify Taiwan, but they also want to become the number one power in the world. So getting into war at this point is not entirely in their favor. China is not like Russia, they are more greedy and want more things. The problem between China and Taiwan seems to have been going on for a long time, since 1949 when it decided not to join China. if indeed China wants to immediately control Taiwan it can be ascertained that it will do so from the beginning of the secession but it is not carried out and only ceremonially that it will do so at every opportunity when Taiwan continues to be in touch with the USA, after that nothing will happen. so I assume that China has no intention at all to intervene in Taiwan because of something that is difficult to disclose. There are many implicit treaties between nations, and we don't know about them. In my view, China will still seek to take back Taiwan but not now or in the near future. In my opinion, China's immediate goal is still to surpass the US to become the world's number one power and continue to move closer to Russia to strengthen its military power. Once they have claimed the world's No. 1 position, taking back Taiwan will be much quicker and less expensive. Taiwan is still their target, but not a priority. The expansion or encroachment of small countries is what big countries always want, IMO.
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May 02, 2023, 06:48:37 AM |
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What scares me most is the Taiwan vs. China conflict because we are near it and there is the possibility that we will get into battle when we should not be there. Only those leaders benefit from it, and the people suffer.
I haven't thought about the Taiwan and China issue because I don't think it will happen even though news about them is regularly published in the media. Because in my opinion, it is not in their favor for China to join the war right now because their goal is not only to unify Taiwan, but they also want to become the number one power in the world. So getting into war at this point is not entirely in their favor. China is not like Russia, they are more greedy and want more things. The problem between China and Taiwan seems to have been going on for a long time, since 1949 when it decided not to join China. if indeed China wants to immediately control Taiwan it can be ascertained that it will do so from the beginning of the secession but it is not carried out and only ceremonially that it will do so at every opportunity when Taiwan continues to be in touch with the USA, after that nothing will happen. so I assume that China has no intention at all to intervene in Taiwan because of something that is difficult to disclose. There are many implicit treaties between nations, and we don't know about them. In my view, China will still seek to take back Taiwan but not now or in the near future. In my opinion, China's immediate goal is still to surpass the US to become the world's number one power and continue to move closer to Russia to strengthen its military power. Once they have claimed the world's No. 1 position, taking back Taiwan will be much quicker and less expensive. Taiwan is still their target, but not a priority. The expansion or encroachment of small countries is what big countries always want, IMO. Whether I like it or not, the fact is that China, in the current situation, INSIDE THE COUNTRY, really needs demonstrative "great victories" to "distract attention" from those problems that now and in the future exist in the economy and social tensions, China . After choosing a new vector for China (this is some mixture of socialism, imperial ambitions, totalitarianism), it will be difficult to explain such a turn, to the inhabitants of the "Celestial Empire" why yesterday there were freedoms and tomorrow they are gone. They need to present something in the form of a gift and a resounding victory. According to the plans - it should have been Taiwan. But this should have been after "a quick and crushing victory for Russia, with the capture of Ukraine, and the shock and silence of the West." Russia is now acting as a "guinea pig" for China. But everything went wrong, Russia lost the war to the West, rallied the West, and showed that the aggressor would be severely punished. What broke all the plans of China and its government. Now, I do not rule out that a possible object of "victory" will be ... The territory of Russia, which China will have at its disposal. Not without reason, before the visit of the Chinese leader to Moscow, new maps were printed in China, where the vast territories of Russia are marked with historical Chinese names, and described as "historical territories of China." Moreover, today Russia has degraded economically, morally and in terms of military power, and it needs a "powerful master", which China can very well become. A sort of patron, and owner of part of the land ... PS But I will add - Taiwan was needed not only as a "moral victory", but also as the most high-tech platform in the world. And as part of the current trend of Western technology leaving China, high-tech production is vital for China ... Well, either slowly watch how China again slides into the last century, becoming a huge third world agrarian country.
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May 02, 2023, 03:42:50 PM |
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What benefits from the war are the victorious countries and their allies, while the losses from the war are larger in scale than the gains. that is why the entire world economy will be affected by the war.
Winning a war in general is indeed an advantage, but I would not see it as an advantage because a country that wins a war also suffers a lot of damage in its infrastructure sector even though not all of it is damaged, but the country that wins the war also has to make some improvements which require they pay for it. So those who win actually don't benefit either and in my opinion the most profitable in these conditions are journalists who always get the latest news and who are able to make the latest news based on facts that occur because war content is usually very much interested in reading it. Yes, That's right ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) . The other Items than the Journalist's trade may be one of the ones that benefit from being able to cover the latest news and developments. this is especially relevant because the Public often has a keen interest in war-related content, making it profitable for journalists to report on it. To me War is a lose-lose situation, and the impact on the world economy can be significant.
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May 02, 2023, 04:05:12 PM |
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China is a very closed country, we know very little about the intentions of the leaders of the Chinese Communist Party...
Are the Chinese really planning to take over Taiwan? Or do they have some alternative plans for the development of Chinese microelectronics (including military developments)? We do not know. Until recently, China pursued a very balanced foreign policy.
However, with the coming to power of Xi Jinping, the Chinese Communist Party has moved from collective management to an authoritarian management model.
Will this lead to a more aggressive Chinese foreign policy? Will China go to war? These questions are difficult to answer unambiguously.
But it is possible.
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