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Talking about benefits, I would say war never brings benefits. War always brings destruction to both sides. And if I say who benefited from this war then I would say Russia. moreover, in all other fields, all the countries of the world are facing economic crisis. I think this situation is due to the introduction of various restrictions on oil and gas.
I am not an expert but I assume there have been companies that own weapons and ammunition factories around Europe, USA or even in China which probably are having a good time since this invasion started against the Ukrainian people, after all, there are already rumors and informs from the USA-Ukranian side that they are running low in ammo which only means that manufacturers will get more money to increase their production and the owners of such factories can pocket a good money our of this situation. They may not even be interested in the specific situation of the war, but like the extra work they are getting to do for both factions. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) The idea is absolutely correct, but there are nuances. There are two of them: 1. Conscience 2. Sanctions ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Conscience is about what can and should be supplied to those who are weak and are under the threat of terror. Sanctions are about the fact that not everyone who wants and can actually trade "for any side" ... A good example is Egypt. The country has historically always been "under the supervision of the USSR / Russia." The year 2022 came, the "second army of the world" began to shamefully lose and began to beg Egypt to start producing and supplying weapons to Russia. Egypt is smart, and understands how it will all end, and then to be in the "dock" as an accomplice of international terrorism - did not want to, which is logical! And Egypt agreed to start producing weapons for..Ukraine! ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) For which the people and the government of Egypt are very grateful and respected!
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April 18, 2023, 05:30:24 PM |
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The biggest winner will be Russia, but only if they will manage to win the war. They will get morale boost, Ukrainian territory, people, remaining industry, sea ports etc etc etc.
Do not even hope that Russia will win this war. The Russian professional army is almost completely destroyed in Ukraine. Recently there was information that the army special forces of Russia have already suffered losses of 90-95 percent due to the fact that Putin wants to capture the small town of Bakhmut at all costs in order to show the Russians at least some kind of victory. Therefore, Russia threw its remnants of special forces and airborne troops to capture him, which are almost over. It will take at least ten years for Russia to restore these elite troops. The Russian threat to use nuclear weapons after turning Belarus into a nuclear military target, and the adoption of a law punishing 25 years for deserters from military service, are all indications that Russia is going through difficult times to cope with the conflict in Ukraine, which has become certain that Russia did not expect to be involved in it in this way. . The same signs can be seen on the economic side, since Russia is forced to sell its products at less than half the world price to cover the costs of the war. Recently, after being convinced that abandoning the European market is a real disaster without alternatives, it has chosen a partnership with Turkey to distribute its products to global markets again.
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April 18, 2023, 05:35:15 PM |
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Those who produce and sell weapons always benefit the most from war, because during wars the demand for weapons increases. The data show that in just one year, Ukraine consumed as much specific artillery ammunition as the US otherwise produces in even 5 years - and now, of course, production must be significantly increased in order to satisfy the demand to some extent.
Yes, that's right, arms dealers and arms manufacturers who supply arms and ammunition to warring parties, Apart from that I think some countries may benefit from the geopolitical impact of war expanding their influence or gaining access to resources but I think the benefits of war are often short lived and can outweigh the costs in the long run. Economic and human casualties of war can have lasting consequences, including political instability, social unrest, and economic disruption.
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April 18, 2023, 06:27:30 PM |
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Those who produce and sell weapons always benefit the most from war, because during wars the demand for weapons increases. The data show that in just one year, Ukraine consumed as much specific artillery ammunition as the US otherwise produces in even 5 years - and now, of course, production must be significantly increased in order to satisfy the demand to some extent.
Yes, that's right, arms dealers and arms manufacturers who supply arms and ammunition to warring parties, Apart from that I think some countries may benefit from the geopolitical impact of war expanding their influence or gaining access to resources but I think the benefits of war are often short lived and can outweigh the costs in the long run. Economic and human casualties of war can have lasting consequences, including political instability, social unrest, and economic disruption. Depending the intensity and magnitude of the war there can be devastating consequences for the entire world, however, if it's just a concentrated conflict, I think some nations can be really benefited from it, as you pointed out the geopolitical impact when expading influence and having access to human and natural resources. It's also noticiable that in war times technology advances much more expressively and specialists work with much more effort on their respective fields. Moreover, the winner takes it all, including topnotch scientists and technology from the defeated country or alliance.
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April 18, 2023, 07:27:11 PM |
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To the people's eye, that's how it is. But if you dive deep into it. Only then you can find the true motive of the USA and NATO. They are helping, but in the process, they are the one getting all the benefits. This is how their politics works, and they use strategy to stay in power. To regular people, they are helping someone in need. But their true motive is always personal gains. Don't you agree that USA possess the best technology and weapons? Are they not capable of ending this war? Then why they are not providing that and ending this? Of course they have some other personal agenda behind it. This is how they manipulate the world and keep holding the majority of the "power".
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April 18, 2023, 08:13:07 PM |
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There is no wise person on earth that will ever pray for a war to elapsed especially a successful business type because in time of war there is no peace of mind Even if it will be of favour to the arm dealers like they said on the other hand they won't find it happily to spend there money because there is controversy everywhere which we all know will collapsed business operations and even up to transportation aspect that world will be filled with riot people living in fears let give peace and chance because war is not a choice
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April 18, 2023, 08:19:58 PM |
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agree with what you said, war should not happen because it will affect the next generations. As for the war that is currently happening, various major problems are arising throughout the world, apart from the unstable global economic situation due to the war. but behind the war that occurred there were also countries that had weapons manufacturers who took advantage and took advantage of the ongoing war, of course by supplying weapons to countries that were at war, therefore the benefits would be obtained by certain countries.
When a war is going on, of course, countries that often produce weapons will take advantage of the opportunity and that is a very natural thing because opportunities that can be used to gain profits, obviously, will never be ignored. But in general, war always causes bad things for the world economy because every company that frequently moves around the world will definitely be very disturbed by this.
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April 19, 2023, 01:47:04 AM |
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War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such. The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect. With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.
If there will be a beneficiary of war it is the terrorist who always wanted a war because of thier wrong belief they are always happy to kill and to make everyone suffer or cry they are demons, but if you will say there is a country who benefit in war i think there is nothing, if you are a president in one country and you will see countryman's dying because of war even if you win on that war you will consider as a loser because of the life's that is wasted because of the war. So as long as we can avoid war lets avoid it for good, war is not a solution it is another problem to be solve.
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April 19, 2023, 02:00:54 AM |
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To the people's eye, that's how it is. But if you dive deep into it. Only then you can find the true motive of the USA and NATO. They are helping, but in the process, they are the one getting all the benefits. This is how their politics works, and they use strategy to stay in power. To regular people, they are helping someone in need. But their true motive is always personal gains. Don't you agree that USA possess the best technology and weapons? Are they not capable of ending this war? Then why they are not providing that and ending this? Of course they have some other personal agenda behind it. This is how they manipulate the world and keep holding the majority of the "power". Both parties are justifying how they don't end the war so far. The West wants to rule the world and Russia wants the security of its sovereignty. And the West seized Russia's reserve so Russia grabs the eastern regions of Ukraine. They both are benefiting though and only Ukraine is lost by far. This war is spilling over already and China vs Taiwan is the next as if the crisis is not enough. Taiwan is supported by the West. I get the feeling that this is all just a play that eventually China unifies Taiwan and we the people are just being played.
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April 19, 2023, 05:00:07 AM |
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Both parties are justifying how they don't end the war so far. The West wants to rule the world and Russia wants the security of its sovereignty. And the West seized Russia's reserve so Russia grabs the eastern regions of Ukraine. They both are benefiting though and only Ukraine is lost by far.
This war is spilling over already and China vs Taiwan is the next as if the crisis is not enough. Taiwan is supported by the West. I get the feeling that this is all just a play that eventually China unifies Taiwan and we the people are just being played.
Russia does not want security for its sovereignty, but seeks to seize the territory of Ukraine with its huge material and human resources. The fact that she attacked Ukraine because Ukraine does want to join NATO is one of the inventions of Russian propaganda in order to somehow justify the usual war of conquest in the 21st century. An example of this is Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, which have long joined NATO, which are located near the immediate border with Russia and Finland recently joined NATO, as a result of which the total length of the border with NATO members has increased by more than 1,300 kilometers. Russia does not attack these states. The West has seized Russia's reserve, so Russia is seizing the eastern regions of Ukraine? Have you messed up the order here? Russia took over eastern parts of Ukraine back in 2014, and $300 billion of Russia's reserves in foreign banks were blocked after Russia's full-scale invasion last February.
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April 19, 2023, 05:37:06 AM |
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The West has seized Russia's reserve, so Russia is seizing the eastern regions of Ukraine? Have you messed up the order here? Russia took over eastern parts of Ukraine back in 2014, and $300 billion of Russia's reserves in foreign banks were blocked after Russia's full-scale invasion last February.
As far as I know, Russia has also seized a lot of investment from European companies inside Russia. Many large corporations have run in to billions of USD worth of losses each. Anyway, Russia has indirectly benefitted from the war. The price of LNG, thermal coal, wheat and sunflower oil went up steeply as a result of the war and Russian exporters have made large profits as a result of this. Also, the Russian Ruble has got devalued by more than 30% over the last 12 months. This has also helped the exporters to make even larger profits.
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April 19, 2023, 06:36:33 AM |
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There are many scenario of war we can take as an example and put into consideration in using them as a case study, we have the Vietnam war, Afghanistan war, world war III and even the Russia and Ukraine war which is the ongoing one currently, what has come to the the end of it is nothing than a big casualty and loss of lives, but after every successful war comes in peace and serenity, it makes things go well after the restoration of peace.
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The West has seized Russia's reserve, so Russia is seizing the eastern regions of Ukraine? Have you messed up the order here? Russia took over eastern parts of Ukraine back in 2014, and $300 billion of Russia's reserves in foreign banks were blocked after Russia's full-scale invasion last February.
As far as I know, Russia has also seized a lot of investment from European companies inside Russia. Many large corporations have run in to billions of USD worth of losses each. Anyway, Russia has indirectly benefitted from the war. The price of LNG, thermal coal, wheat and sunflower oil went up steeply as a result of the war and Russian exporters have made large profits as a result of this. Also, the Russian Ruble has got devalued by more than 30% over the last 12 months. This has also helped the exporters to make even larger profits. If Russia has received any material benefit from the war it has unleashed with Ukraine, then it is temporary. Recently, I saw a figure in the news that only 9 percent of foreign enterprises withdrew their assets from Russia. Russia blackmails and threatens them in every possible way, threatening to nationalize their property if they try to leave the country. Many of the foreign enterprises are ready to take certain losses in order to leave Russia, but it is difficult to sell their property there. As a result, Russia will be recognized as an unreliable partner for doing business, and foreign business will gradually leave Russia. Earlier, Russia refused to return several hundred civilian aircraft that were leased from other states. But they can only be operated in Russia, and their maintenance is impossible due to the lack of imported components. Therefore, there are more and more accidents and plane crashes, and Russian planes are being arrested in order to compensate for losses. After a short period of time, the Russian air fleet will be practically destroyed.
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There are many scenario of war we can take as an example and put into consideration in using them as a case study, we have the Vietnam war, Afghanistan war, world war III and even the Russia and Ukraine war which is the ongoing one currently, what has come to the the end of it is nothing than a big casualty and loss of lives, but after every successful war comes in peace and serenity, it makes things go well after the restoration of peace.
Wars can be started for many reasons, including economic gain, political power, and territorial expansion, which may not benefit most of the people involved. While it is true that wars often end in peace and can lead to a restoration of stability, it is important to remember that the costs of war are very high. If it's finished, as you said, if not, how?
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There are many scenario of war we can take as an example and put into consideration in using them as a case study, we have the Vietnam war, Afghanistan war, world war III and even the Russia and Ukraine war which is the ongoing one currently, what has come to the the end of it is nothing than a big casualty and loss of lives, but after every successful war comes in peace and serenity, it makes things go well after the restoration of peace.
Wars can be started for many reasons, including economic gain, political power, and territorial expansion, which may not benefit most of the people involved. While it is true that wars often end in peace and can lead to a restoration of stability, it is important to remember that the costs of war are very high. If it's finished, as you said, if not, how? so many families cried for the fathers who are not coming home yet their lives still do not matter to those who benefitted from this war. how much money is sent to Zelensky that only goes into his account who knows where he hid his BTC if he does have. recently we are seeing some news where Zelensky is calling China for peace talks. if there will be peace coming soon, there will be funds to be sent for the rebuilding of Ukraine. then again another question who will hold those funds because this is entirely a new government when war is over.
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There are many scenario of war we can take as an example and put into consideration in using them as a case study, we have the Vietnam war, Afghanistan war, world war III and even the Russia and Ukraine war which is the ongoing one currently, what has come to the the end of it is nothing than a big casualty and loss of lives, but after every successful war comes in peace and serenity, it makes things go well after the restoration of peace.
Wars can be started for many reasons, including economic gain, political power, and territorial expansion, which may not benefit most of the people involved. While it is true that wars often end in peace and can lead to a restoration of stability, it is important to remember that the costs of war are very high. If it's finished, as you said, if not, how? so many families cried for the fathers who are not coming home yet their lives still do not matter to those who benefitted from this war. how much money is sent to Zelensky that only goes into his account who knows where he hid his BTC if he does have. recently we are seeing some news where Zelensky is calling China for peace talks. if there will be peace coming soon, there will be funds to be sent for the rebuilding of Ukraine. then again another question who will hold those funds because this is entirely a new government when war is over. I beg your pardon - but you have such a strange assessment. You talk about the dead, about the beneficiaries of the situation, but not a word about who started this nightmare - about Russia, its authorities and its people, ready for the sake of painful fantasies of a pathetic copy of the Fuhrer, to go kill citizens of another country, about their morals, more precisely about its complete absence, about the sadism with which they destroy cities and the population of Ukraine... Can we start with this? Regarding Zelensky. And maybe it's better about Putin and his gang of bloodsuckers? Who pays him money, where does he keep it, who helps him avoid sanctions? No, I am not defending Zelensky, but your rhetoric hints at the fact that you want to "turn the conversation aside" from real criminals. Zelensky is not my choice, and I have a lot of complaints and questions about him. But accusations should not be fantasies - but proven or have an evidentiary basis. And what you write is just your fantasy. But what I agree on is external control and external legal assistance will be needed. In my country, unfortunately, there is a high level of corruption, and power is part of it. Therefore, after the victory over rashizm, we still have a long struggle with corruption, collaborators and other problems. And here, without independent external control, it will be very difficult
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The biggest winner will be Russia, but only if they will manage to win the war. They will get morale boost, Ukrainian territory, people, remaining industry, sea ports etc etc etc.
Do not even hope that Russia will win this war. The Russian professional army is almost completely destroyed in Ukraine. Recently there was information that the army special forces of Russia have already suffered losses of 90-95 percent due to the fact that Putin wants to capture the small town of Bakhmut at all costs in order to show the Russians at least some kind of victory. Therefore, Russia threw its remnants of special forces and airborne troops to capture him, which are almost over. It will take at least ten years for Russia to restore these elite troops. The Russian threat to use nuclear weapons after turning Belarus into a nuclear military target, and the adoption of a law punishing 25 years for deserters from military service, are all indications that Russia is going through difficult times to cope with the conflict in Ukraine, which has become certain that Russia did not expect to be involved in it in this way. . The same signs can be seen on the economic side, since Russia is forced to sell its products at less than half the world price to cover the costs of the war. Recently, after being convinced that abandoning the European market is a real disaster without alternatives, it has chosen a partnership with Turkey to distribute its products to global markets again. As a country at war and oppressed by other countries, seeking to drive them to their destruction, Russia could not help but face some difficulties. But with the ongoing hostilities, I don't believe Russia is becoming as exhausted as you say. The war has not ended, and there is no final result, so it is difficult to say who has suffered more damage. News in the media is largely manipulated by two parties, what we read is for reference only and should not be trusted too much. I will continue to wait for the final outcome of the battle.
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I must say that no country has really benefited from war, including in conflict situations between Russia and Ukraine. The presence of foreign troops or the supply of war equipment by other countries does not mean that they are taking advantage of the conflict.
Conversely, conflict situations can undermine global political and economic stability, and can affect international trade, resource supply, and investment. Political and security crises can disrupt international trade and investment, which in turn can affect the global economy and the stability of market prices. In addition, war can also damage infrastructure and natural resources, which can affect economic sustainability and prosperity in areas involved in conflict.
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I must say that no country has really benefited from war, including in conflict situations between Russia and Ukraine. The presence of foreign troops or the supply of war equipment by other countries does not mean that they are taking advantage of the conflict.
Conversely, conflict situations can undermine global political and economic stability, and can affect international trade, resource supply, and investment. Political and security crises can disrupt international trade and investment, which in turn can affect the global economy and the stability of market prices. In addition, war can also damage infrastructure and natural resources, which can affect economic sustainability and prosperity in areas involved in conflict.
agree, it is certain that war is everywhere and at this time Russia's intervention in Ukraine is very unprofitable for the two countries. all the losers from all the problems, especially the economic and infrastructure sector which was in ruins, the war did not win or lose, but both of them lost in the ability to be able to revive to a stable economy. war will have an impact, there are pros and cons which actually make the war grow unstoppable, all those who help make sure there is a specific purpose, some are selling weapons etc. sincerely or with other intentions, which ultimately binds them so that they cannot escape from the grip.
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The first people to profit from conflicts are the companies who make weapons or other military hardware. A nation at war will spend anything to acquire weaponry to protect their territory and win the conflict. The conflict's backers also profit because they would profit from their investment through unfair trade agreements after the war. Corrupt government officials enjoy conflict because it gives them a perfect chance to plunder the nation's riches, as was the case in Ukraine. The fact that unscrupulous Ukrainian government officials have inflated contracts to benefit themselves is public knowledge. Russia and corruption are the two battles that Ukraine is currently engaged in.
This are entirely true! I might say, the first one to benefit with these war would be the highest government officials because like what you've said, it is the perfect time to scoop out portions of the nation's budget due to the ongoing chaos. It would be easier for them to disclose a fake financial plan publicly as a defensive measures. Ammunition and military suppliers comes second and they could also be part of the corruption, they could serve as a primary outlet as to where these budgets are going to. Then, everyone would suffer, even those people who are not part of the country under the war.
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