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Here is the original scam accusation thread I created in January 2019, that was at a time when I was very active in the Scam Accusations boards: SCAM: [RBY] Rubycoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102088)

This thread has been created to allow all matters related to the rby (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=239997) account being discussed here because a different thread related to discussing generalised Tagging Accounts Sellers And Tagging Traded/Sold/Bought Accounts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5457879.0) is being taken taken off-topic by issues related to the rby account.

Feel free to post here in the uncensored thread.

JG, you created a thread 4 years ago, when you were very much involved in scam bursting according to you. As at then, it didn't recieve any serious response or actions from DTs because it was one among thousands of projects that were developed in the early days of cryptocurrency.  The team behind the Rubycoin tried their best to sustain the project but in the end we gave up just like how many altcoins died during 2017 bear market.

• If when you were active in scam bursting, you didn't consider it a scam as at then the knowledge of it was fresh and you didn't even leave a neutral tag, why do you consider it is worth discussing now when the project is long abandoned/passed and you cannot even recall what happened then?
• Are you saying the forum should bring back all the projects that were started from 2010 that didn't survive and start discussing them?
• If you can be truthful to yourself and go back to the 2019 thread you created and go through it, you will understand that there is no case apart from the trend of creating coins which came and passed.

Very simple. My best guess is, in the recent time you wanted to have an argument with him and somehow he felt it did not go the way he wanted. He tried everything to overturn your argument but failed. There are few members in the forum including JollyGood who are always chasing forum members to dig grave for others. I sometimes feel the forum is losing members because of these group. These so-called scam busters, forum police are doing everything to be sure that they stay in the DT and harass members.

List the matters instead of asking someone else to do it for you.

You best guess is very correct.  You are knowledgeable of the things happening in the DT.
The whole issue started in the John Abraham thread where I gave my opinion but some felt rby is nobody to speak on the matter. Read this statement I was actually giving my unsolicited opinion among BTT judges.
First, they tried to link rby to naim027 but to no avail;
They came up with the accusation that rby is a shitposter, and now they came up with speculative accusations without prove.

I can also recall where I disagreed with the accusation that Naim027 is also Royse777.

It is now I began to study the feedbacks left Royse777 and some other persons and I understood that there is a gang and if you belong nowhere and appear in the reputation board you may be taken down. No wonder people avoid reputation board and allow judgement in the hands of few.

I surely know that if a DT member delights in destroying people's account by leaving red tags without proves, even if nothing happens to them, the community is seeing. And they may not be on DT for so long (for ever).

What I would like to know is whether you deny that account changed hands (you were asked that in other thread but I haven't noticed that you answered that.

I am asking because there is an obvious difference in the English level from period between 2015-2019 while being active in Rubycoin thread, and after waking up in 2022. How do you explain this difference because its one thing (and natural) to improve English level but in your case the opposite happened and your English got worse.
 

I don't want to say anything about any particular case or this thread. I don't want to mention any name too. But, one of these forum police blindly said I participated in a Pizza baking contest and other contests to farm merits. While I did not participate in any contest organized in this forum so far. Now I am afraid if I participate in any contest, they will say I am a shit poster and trying to farm merits from the contest. They also said I post shit in the WO thread to farm merits while I got around 7-9 Merits from the WO thread from the general discussion in my forum lifetime.

It's too easy to accuse someone in this forum. While accused members get tagged if the accuser is right, why they don't even apologize if it's proved that they were wrongly accusing someone?
I mean I am saying you are a scammer without any proof and I failed to prove it, shouldn't I apologize for accusing you?

The person currently operating the rby account has already claimed they are the creator and original owner of the rby account. In other words by default they are claiming they are the person known as Kassado (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=638171.0) who is a technical coder who created Rubycoin.

Thanks, somehow I missed that part of his post.

I don't know if you compared his post history in Rubycoin thread against the most recent ones, but I suggest you to do so because its pretty obvious that whoever currently controls the account was not the person who created it, no matter what he claims. I mean, even the post you just quoted shows the difference in English level between now and 2014-2019 period.

What's going on here? how can a case be opened without attaching preliminary evidence? while sending others to look for evidence. Is it a conspiracy? where you will open a thread and your friend will come with the proof?

If it's so easy to open a judgment thread without attaching any evidence, can I also create a "jollygood accuse that wasn't proven and he didn't apologize" thread. In my opinion, DT must be fair, if you accuse and are right, please tag, if you accuse and are wrong, then improve your reputation and apologize

In the previous thread, it was very easy for you to accuse me, without any evidence, based only on your opinion. When a member is considered too quick to understand, you will think I'm an alt, when a member is too stupid, you will think the member is trash. So? are you just the best with your craziness?

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My advice, attach the evidence or close this thread

I wouldn't answer anyone whose only motivate is to humiliate and rubbish someone given any chance.

Rikafip, you can read below because of you and the rest of the community.
Rby was created way back 2014 only for the purpose of promoting the Rubycoin. The Ruby team was behind the promotion of Rubycoin even outside the forum. It was not a solo project, in the team had someone whose duty was to update the thread and others seriously working on the backend then. A unique password relating to the name of the project was used then to allow every member of the team access to any of our handles including BTT but it was the exclusive duty of one person to update information in the media. But incase of unavailability anyone can step in.

Later on trader daddy bot was introduced immediately the project was changed from PoW to PoS. This was an attempt to keep the project going, but I wasn't working as planned.
I think there was some kind of disagreement in the team. It wasn't obvious, but it was a consensus to continue the project or to rename it, and restart with a new concept. There was no clear agreement and the community was loosing interest in the project because many projects saw their end then.
The team separated and everyone went their way. One of the guys in the backend asked to be allowed to continue the project and it was granted him. That is all I can remember about the project.

Down to 2021 (not 2022), After the covid-19. I remembered this forum and the rby account. The password wasn't changed and it was a unique password every member of the team could remember. I inputed the password and had access to the forum. I tried the password in our proton mail address and was denied access(which means someone changed it).

I had to reset the mail here in BTT but couldn't use the account because the project for which the account was created ended. I abandoned the account again till I discovered the gambling discussion board and started posting there. I later understood I can subscribe for signature campaign and earn why having fun. I tried to join signature campaign managed by yahoo62278 then. He didn't hire me for like 3 times. I decided to inbox him to enquire why I cannot be hired. Yahoo62278 told me that most of my posts were in altcoin board and I post burst, that if I continue so no manager will hire me. That was when I decided to delete majority of the posts in altcoin board and edit unnecessary ones to keep my timeline neat.

Later Hhampuz hired me and I worked for him for more than a year.
I left the TrustDice campaign because it required that I make majority of the posts in the gambling section. There was a serious discrimination between people posting in the gambling side and the rest of the forum.
I decided to leave TrustDice to sinbad.io where I can be able to interact freely on the forum.

3yrs of my active involvement in the community has passed and someone is accusing me of a scam that never happen. When newbies bought coins and the market went bearish, they raise alarm of scam. Even then, many people considered BTC a scam.

No one was supposed to make me write this long episode of the past which I am struggling to remember. But it has happened and I take it in a good fate.
BTT is a nice place and we all shall be here. I am an old human being, so no one can bully me from the comfort of his home because of the DT strength given them by the community.

I don't think you need to explain anything here because the accuser did not provide any evidence for his accusation. You have the right to remain silent until there is evidence to prove you wrong. The explanation you provide will make the accuser find fault with your explanation.

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I don't support you rby, but what jollygood is doing is wrong, and I have never seen a judgment begin without preliminary evidence

Whether he finds a fault or not, it is already obvious that there is no case that warrants red tag. But then, if a DT member tags someone even without an evidence. The community does not kill the DT member. And it is also lies in the hand of the person who left the tag to remove it. Even if the whole community says that JG and PP should delete the feedback and they refuse, nothing will still happen to them. But then people will begin to distrust them. Another implication of misuse of trust feedback is that you weaken the weight of red tag and promote retaliatory tagging.

You are not the only one saying it.

Yes his posting style has already been picked up by nutildah, Poker Player, lovesmayfamilis, myself and some others in the Tagging Accounts Sellers And Tagging Traded/Sold/Bought Accounts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5457879.0) thread. For those of us who read the posts there (and elsewhere) had no doubt that the current rby account operator is definitely not the creator of the account.

He is stuck between a rock and a hard place because if he were to remain adamant he was the original account creator, tags would be placed on the basis of him lying and/or because of the fact he scammed 2 BTC for undelivered work. However, if he were to claim he purchased the account it would automatically mean receiving tags for account trading.

He had to make a choice and he chose to pretend he is the creator of the Rubycoin scam and with that he admitted he has stolen 2 BTC from a client.

If you create a judgment thread, attach the proof. Attach your analysis to the evidence. Does not provide a link. Such is the mechanism of judgment wherever I know

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My advice, attach the evidence or close this thread


There must be a new mechanism, where if DT gives the wrong tag and is very detrimental to other people then DT must receive a more severe punishment.

The rby team didn't steal 2 BTC from anyone.  That was a mere accusation by a competitor then. The accusation did not recieve any response from the community then, not even one person responded to the accusation.
9 years later after the baseless accusation, you are leaving a tag today.
JG, this happened even before you registered in this forum, so how do you feel you will make a good judgement in the matter?

I think you and Poker Player should have a tag team together. Don't validate your nonsense misusing of power by including some others name who are much sensible than you two and respects the system. Clearly others are not as harsh as you. They don't feel happy after tagging someone. You both are messing around and bossing others who has less influence in the community to take a stand against you two. Sadly, many of us are bord seeing all of these dramas from you two resulting you two are still have a place in the DT system. Perhaps Poker Player is not a regular, but you made your place somehow permanent.

Let's talk about you now because I think Poker Player is just trying to follow your footsteps and he is yet to find his own identity.

You are benefiting the image that you used to have before, which was creating one after another scam accusation threads for ICO and other projects [There was another account and many times I felt you and that other account had many similarities, both accounts used to have the same interest and same mentality. Many times, I thought both accounts are owned by one person but since I am not the type of person who finds fun to policing others, I never took it out. I have not seen the other account to be active from long time so let's forget about it].

The best part of your career was hunting down 1xBit guys and since then I don't see you were able to make a positive impact to the forum. You ran out of ideas since the ICO started to die. From last a year or two, you don't find any good topic to speak, any decent conversation to continue. It's easily noticeable. You go to a very old thread and bump it with answering some very old comments, you make a comment asking others to bring you information so that next time you can make another comment to increase your post count for the signature campaign you are promoting. I have no problem with all these. It's okay but I really don't feel good to myself when I see all of your efforts are destroying forum members who are trying to make themselves noticeable. The moment you lose your argument, you start to feel insecure and use your DT power with these cheap tags. You need a break. Don't destroy the forum. It took us a lot of sweat and blood to create a community, to make this place crowded, people like you are destroying all the good efforts.

rby, Learn Bitcoin, PytagoraZ and others, the best you can do is to distrust JollyGood for the red tag that was left.

Go to your trust setting (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust) then add ~JollyGood

Something happened [whatever it is] 9 years ago, our head of police department has filed a case today because the criminal spoke something that he did not like. It sends out a message, if you are not strong enough to argue with the law [created by the head of the department] then you will be destroyed by their negative feedback. No wonder why many people don't step in and make a loud voice.

I read carefully, and this thread is not based on any accusation that has been made against you, so why come up with it here? I think if there's any accusation made against you that you wish to start a discussion about, to show any proof or change those misconceptions in members that you think are beginning to doubt your reputation, then you can Open a thread for yourself to discuss that.


Cheers 🥂, Dr.Bitcoin_Strange 👺👺

Yes.. i think jollygood is too arrogant and he likes that. For now, in my opinion, making trash posts is better than finding other people's mistakes, other people are make a trash posts for signature campaigns, Jolly also does the same thing, finding other people's faults for signature campaigns.

Maybe I'm new, but still I'm free to judge Jolly, just like he's free to judge me, the difference is only 1, he can tag me while I can't. not fair indeed. But I know that the judgment thread cannot be opened freely without preliminary evidence and preliminary analysis. So what are you doing wrong, is such an wrong not worth for tag? it is an abuse of your status as a DT, just like a judge judges people without proof, you can be accused of defaming people. I think we all use positive law theory

I don't care who is right and wrong here. But the way you accuse and open judgment threads without preliminary evidence is clearly wrong. It's very dangerous if all the DTs do the same as you. Maybe this forum will lose members. I think a lot of members are afraid of being marked and they're changing for the better. It's time we build forums, not destroy forums. Everyone has the right to change

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BitcoinGirl.Club I've added ~ in front of the name

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jollygood = My advice, attach the evidence or close this thread

BitcoinGirl.Club has made a valid point. But all those deleted replies, threads whenever someone called out RBY for his role in various projects in this space kind of points out what kind of a big scammer the original owner of this RBY account was! For instance he/she scammed his/her Rubycoin community, he/she was asked to verify his/her stance in different projects back in the day, he/she responded to some and then totally ignored in most cases back in the day. And suddenly when a known ban evader/altaccounts user was being mentioned in present days in this board- this RBY account had to butt in probably for the first time in this board to divert the conversation. It sure as hell seemed fishy. You simply do not scam people openly and then after years of taking a break come in the community with same account and expect things to go unnoticed.



This sabotaging the code for him/her was easy. He/she and his/her partner binaryclock did the same with dedicatedpool as developers in which they both were hired to do work.


A pro coder who now replies around the forum and none related to coding these days after a long break just because he/she lost interest in coding? Yeah that is as much believable as Mordor being a friendlier, beautiful city than the Shire.


https://i.ibb.co/bK6n37h/Capture.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

9 years old drama, but if the current owner is the original Kassado/FuzzyHobbit then he/she should not be given any benefit of doubts for scamming CWC for 2 btc.

Im coming to this discussion concerning rby / rubycoin very late.

Rubycoin was one of the alt coins I started off with - back in the day Dev's of those alts were active in their threads and would answer numerous questions newbies had when setting up wallets and mining scrypt based coins.

I still have my ruby coin wallet - set up on an external hard drive. So, if need be, I can verify any signed messages from rubycoin wallet addresses.

(I'm away until Friday, so it won't happen until then)

If rby is indeed the "original" owner, then they wouldn't have any difficulties setting up a node.

Don't write just for your signature campaign requirement. You should read before posting, you should think before you write. Look at the bold part of my post. As I said, I don't want to mention any names and am not discussing this particular case. Since BitcoinGirl.Club wrote something, and I felt I had something to add; I wrote my experience. I should mention that the person I am talking about is not JollyGood. I did not mention any names here.

If everyone starts creating a thread because of an accusation that never continues, then the whole reputation board will be crazy. It does not worth creating a thread because the accuser got silent after my first reply, there is nothing left to do. Stop encouraging people to create new drama threads.

If you were trying to catch merit, you are successful.

The current owner of the rby account just isn't the original owner, and its ridiculous they are pretending they are. It is also ridiculous that at the same time they think their old reputation (which was poor) shouldn't continue to follow them now.

Old owner: articulate developer, native English speaker
New owner: lazy shitposter, not a native English speaker


Old (deleted post (https://ninjastic.space/post/12356227)):


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I wouldn't have even noticed them if they had they not interjected themselves in the Naim007 discussion... it was a strange move as I'm almost certain they also have alt accounts enrolled in various campaigns... That seems to be a strategy for some "users": save up signature earning to buy new (old) accounts & get those in other campaigns.

Anybody of course is free to say anything they want at any time, in any section of the forum (so long as it doesn't break forum rules), but if you live in a glass house maybe consider not piping up when it comes to reputational matters.

I did some study of the post history yesterday and I get the same taste as you that the account might be changed hand but that it, it's just an idea. Even if it is a confirmed changed hand account still how many accounts were tagged this way lately especially when the account owner is trying to contribute positively to the forum.

It's a clear case that JollyGood and Poker Player did not like the idea that was shared in another thread, they did not like the argument, and they saw a good opportunity that the account can be destroyed with the issue of changed hand.

As you have correctly stated, this thread should be used to discuss either the Rubycoin scam or the rby account (regardless of who the current owner/operator of the account is). It should not have to be said because it is the obvious course of action however I will say it, those who have issues unrelated to this thread should start their own threads to discuss matters they are concerned with or would like to discuss.


The whole of your post is very interesting, I will come back to the points to address later but I have to say I never knew about the 1 BTC bounty  :o

Interesting. I was posting about this scam years ago and here you are saying you have a Rubycoin wallet. Even if the current operator manages to sign a known address from the original creator of the rby account what would it prove? It is highly unlikely he will manage to do it regardless.

So I was asked my opinion on this case and I wasn't going to get involved, but I have been reading and I do have a question.



I don't really know much about the rubycoin team or if they scammed and whatnot, but you clearly state that the account you use now was a team account. Everyone had access and could post updates. You are a part of that everyone, but why not start on the forum fresh with no connection to the failed project and avoid any drama that may come at you from that project?

I won't say you are innocent here and I won't condemn you, but it is very curious as to why you chose to use this account vs creating a new name. You clearly earn a decent amount of merits and have been a fairly constructive member of the community. Why delete the post history or most of it? You left just shy of 25 posts from 2015 and deleted the rest. That doesn't look good.

In the last 1.5 years since waking this account up, you could have made Hero member and earned all the merits you have earned and avoided all this mess. So again I ask, why didn't you start brand new man?

Honestly, I didn't think it that way. I am such a person that doesn't easily discard old things, be it property or whatever. I would send them to charity instead.


I also did not have bad intentions towards this. I didn't think of deleting old posts. But when I tried to join your campaign and including the ones managed by you severally and I wasn't hired, I sent you PM, and your response made me delete the older posts in altcoin announcement. I know you will not remember but I had to do some search in my pm to see it.

My message was this;

You replied this;

This gave me the idea that managers go through the post history of anyone before hire. So, I started to delete the old posts in altcoin announcement.
I am sorry, I have to make this pm public because there’s nothing confidential in it. Thanks!

Because leaving a ton on would prove it's definitely not the same user and if he were to delete them he would lose activity, a quick glance and he will need to make up for about 5 months if he would trash those also.

The thing is pretty simple, it's obvious he is not the original user, if he keeps saying this he's a liar and it makes things worse, if he will simply say he got this account from an old relative that served in ww2 it might not be that big of a deal, he earned 355 merits according to BPIP so he would still be a full sr member on his own.
But again, bill gator account was red-tagged into -9 after confirming he bought his so, every DT with his own choice.

This is quite a remarkable reason (excuse) for you to give. I have never read nostalgia given as an excuse for trying to hide account trading before.

Nostalgic value? That is a new excuse to add to the list of excuses given by account traders involving their brothers, sisters, uncles, aunties, mums and dads along with friends and neighbours as they deny account trading. Quite frequently various excuses are concocted but you have taken it to a new level by stating you woke the rby account up from hibernation because it has some sort of nostalgic value.

In a different thread:
Reading about how you opted to go through some miraculous manoeuvres to retrieve the rby account and add to that the previous charity comment and all because miraculously after Covid-19 you remembered you had a forum account. I noted you have added the caveat in advance of scrutiny (in the hope it not being used against you) that you logged in to forum to change the email address because the alleged group email password was not working but the alleged group forum password was working. That trick will not work.

What you have stated is that after Covid-19 you (for reasons not mentioned) remembered you had a forum account and you decided to use that same tainted rby account from the Rubycoin scam (that you claim had been used by multiple people) because it had nostalgic value. And throw in the comment you made that you would give things to charity rather than discard them easily be it property or whatever but you discarded huge swathes of posts quite easily.

I have to say, it is good to see new excuses being presented but not many will believe that nostalgic value was the real reason you woke the rby account up from hibernation.

I went through the profile of rby briefly. I had two things in mind which were;
1. To check if rby is shitposting
2. To check if rby is a scammer or sh/e is  planning to scam.

I noticed some untrusted feedbacks in his account way back (non from a DT member) and I am not sure any of those accusers are still in the forum. No one is claiming that rby stole from them.
In the issue of shit posting, I can confirm that rby isn't a shit poster. There is a thread sh/e is running in the service board where several reputable members dropped him merits in 20s and 10s.
Projects Visibility (Sig Campaigns) in Bitcointalk. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5449806.msg62133040#msg62133040)
Rby account is just trying to be noticed and also trying to contribute to the forum since sh/e woke, according to Yahoo.
I sincerely do not think that the account should be destroyed. So, I align with what other DT members are saying.
The best to do is to watch the account incase he will want to run a service or come up with another coin project, then the account could be neutral tagged for warning purposes.

I'm leaning towards they won't be able to sign a message much less create a node because they don't have the program because they aren't one of the Devs.

Call it a hunch...

My question is why on earth would someone buy and use an account that has a literal bounty against it ??!

How do you can think it's impossible?

Most people are greedy, they will buy an account with the criteria of not receive any negative feedback, neutral tag of being a shitposter or anything that could make the account not able to participate a signature campaign, and at least full member rank.

They don't care about the possibility of controlling a profile of bad person, possibility of plagiarism etc.

Similar like we're know a site offering 1% per day is scam, but there's always a person fall for it.

Similarly, why would anyone knowingly use an account if they had caused a series of events that resulted in a bounty being placed on them? 🤔

Either way, the account holder now is being evasive.

Honestly, Just piss off you compulsive liar. You bought the account, you have been using it for a couple of years now, mainly under the radar until you tried to stand beside (probably your alts!! HYPOTHECIALLY still to me) with this account and then got noticed. Don't expect you are going to be a lucky Sauron that will be able to fool the Numenoreans with your dodgy writings with every lies in here.


What's traderdaddy: https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@nycrom/meet-traderdaddy-an-automated-cryptocurrency-trading-bot



Not even you (actually not you but the original Kassado/FuzzyHobbit!) responded to those countless accusations. Not even in one of those accusation threads! Go do something about that first. Oh wait, the more you dig deeper on technological aspects the more you will be exposed as an imposter of a scammer against whom there are about hundreds of posts. I wonder if the forum even has ever seen someone with this much haters/angry victims throughout its history! You know why? Because this RBY account owner was among most of the community derived projects back in 2014-2015. It doesn't matter whether he was a scammer or not. He was simply in everything. From close to Bittrex developers to Bot developing to various Layer 1 projects with PoW and PoS.



So stop pretending or else do the following and save us all our times.



Not that uncommon. Those account buyers often spend $300 to $600 on good accounts and they buy in bulk, they have only one job which is to write for signature campaigns all day long! So they hardly give a f about the accounts they buy as long it doesn't come with a red. I once caught an account  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5234050.msg57621003#msg57621003) which was the original account of Faircoin founder Enric Duran. The guy has his own wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enric_Duran) ffs! And, the buyer never even noticed that is still my best guess.

What is bugging me the most is why a couple of users with similar writing patterns, same type of early days in the forum as of Naim027- who are also active in local Bangladeshi board are coming to support accounts such as this in this thread and in another thread? Maybe nothing!

I have been involved in many judication, but the type of judgement I see in BTT is not practised anywhere in the world. Almost everyone who ask questions does so for jamboree. They have already preconceived judgement, no matter what you say, minds are already made up. It is only in a few cases that people will reevaluate their decisions and reconsider their judgement.

See this;

It is correct that people always come up with XY stories, and because we have heard enough of these stories, it is therefore correct to say that all the stories are false. This is not a good logic and that is the reason theymos emphasises on case by case handling of matters.

I know my major crime; which is contributing in matters I am not supposed to contribute, joining conversations I am not invited, giving my one cent when I'm not supposed to.

I have seen some DT members leaving me feedbacks.
Some negative and later turned to neutral,
Some neutral,
Some are indifferent.
This shows some level of inconsistencies, but the goal is to sentence rby.
I also seize this medium to thank those who have being with me since this matter started.
Everyday we create threads on reputation seeking for consensus of DTs but when other DT members make suggestions, it will fall on deaf ears.
Who knows if the rby matter will be the last view of the Saints. A community of humanity and leniency could  be ushered any moment.

I can simply go to the profile of some persons and tag them for scam. No one will notice it because I'm not in DT, ofcourse 10yrs later when I will no longer be here, some new people then will use my untrusted red tag and condemn the person. But that I will not do.
That being said, I am saying goodbye to all in this matter. I will not fail to appreciate Poker player for changing his mind at the climax of this matter. It is not all humans can do that. But then I no longer trust your judgement.
JG, I'll leave you to your fate to do what pleases you. I read where you claimed that you changed some negative tags when the community was against it. It is possible you can remove your tag on  my profile.
Invincible49 whose target has always been to paint my account I don't have much to say but the community is watching who they will allow to enter or remain in the DT. You can still reconsider your stance but do not expect me in your DM for begging.
The trust system is decentralized, everyone has the ability to write whatever in another's profile. The difference is that your visible writing today might be invisible tomorrow.

Thanks all
rby.

The current rby account owner/operator was never going to admit to purchasing the account from fear of being tagged and he could not admit to being the creator of the rby account and Rubycoin scam because that was a developer/coder, therefore he concocted an elaborate story which basically should be sold as a script to a film studio.

Call it a factual hunch, if there is such a thing. He will be unable to make any technical statement let alone practically do it and even then it would not prove much in the context of his negative feedback.

He purchased the account for signature campaigns and along the way made himself helpful here and there (with some members and in some threads) in the hope of creating misdirection if the past ever caught up with him.

He purchased the account because he did not know much about it. He probably did very little research about the Rubycoin scam (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102088) but the irony is that had I remembered to tag the account back in 2019 it would probably not be put on the market for sale.

Everything is still assuming. Has anyone here contacted cleanwatercoin? I looked at the cleanwatercoin thread and not a single reply, doesn't anyone care about scams? well, cleanwatercoin is also unclear, maybe it's also a scam.

I think what is being done here is just assuming and fetching the source from a dead source without knowing if the old thread is valid or not. If this scam really happened, in 2014 no one cares about this problem so no one tags or replies in the comments column of the thread?

Maybe I can lie and accuse someone of cheating now, I'm off the forum, and in the future someone will see the thread I created. They believed the accusations and raised the issue again. Anyone know the original case? in 2014? or did people here just look at an old thread and bring up this issue again?

I don't support rby, but I only see assumptions, no clarification from anyone, does anyone dare to testify that the fraud case really happened? and there is no element of business competition? rubicoin and cleanwatercoin are both gone now, the coins are dead, and both are scams

I think only nutildan and stompix were born on this forum when this thread was created
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=638171.msg7121360#msg7121360
is  at that time the members were still small so no one cared about the 2btc fraud case and replied to the thread?

Maybe nutildah and stompix can explain why that thread is being ignored and no one is replying to comments, not even nutildan and stompix are replying to that thread

Maybe you should contact cointelegraph's editors for your due diligence! They might have information about Zach and can give you his contact to get to the bottom of it since you have been very supportive of RBY guy. Hundreds of negative views on this guy throughout the internet, but yeah those are all based on assumption to you! 

Interview with CWC's Zach: https://cointelegraph.com/news/clean_water_coin_rethinking_charity

https://i.ibb.co/jw8NZx1/Capture.jpg (https://ibb.co/94pD3fC)

As you can see, for my own curiosity, I have already dm'd him and will wait for his reply.


That should have been started off with RBY's first attempt when he came back to the forum after more than half a decade. Now that he tried to come for the first time in the reputation board to defend a known cheater, he got himself in this mess. I personally have no affiliation, nor do I have any reason to call him out. His way of defending naim027 and john abraham, the way he deleted all technical replies, threads made before 2015 got him in this situation. He has been exposed as a liar if not that then he is a scammer.

You can try if you want, just create a new thread in scam accusation or reputation thread.

There are couple things why it looks suspicious:
1. If Rubycoin is legit, why he need to delete the ANN thread? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=459622.msg5071738#msg5071738)
2. If he's the real team behind of Rubycoin, why he not act to resolve the 2 BTC problem? what I see here he's more focus to get rid off from the negative feedback by complaint why the accusation bumped after 4 years.

Well either nutildah, stompix or any user was registered since 2014, they don't have any obligation to research and respond to every thread in this forum. It's up to every user choice including the current user who's want to research and respond old case.

I am surprised you contacted him, that is definitely being dedicated to the cause. If he does get back to you I hope it does not bring back bad memories of the scam.

As far as the current owner/operator of the rby account is concerned they can continue lying and that was to be expected since naim027-style set the bar of compulsive lying and manipulation to never-before seen levels, others had to catch on.

I appreciate the effort you put in, I really support you getting the facts on this matter. So this case could have key witnesses if there were people directly related to this case


I think that applies to anyone on this forum who doesn't support the case DT is working on. Especially Jollygood. You can see it in my tags, assuming he can tag...

Maybe i will challenge him, if he can prove me wrong then please mark. If not, then 10 negative tags for it. You must know that the mistakes of law enforcers must be punished more severely than ordinary people, right? DT is the enforcer of this forum


So only "if"?

Have you come across judgments with proof "if"? I've never seen one, at least in countries that use positive law


Yes, what he did was absolutely right. That's the right way of judging, looking for real evidence, not prejudice.

If you definitely won't do it, Because it's not necessary. Assumptions alone are enough for you to judge people. I don't know where you studied law, but it looks cool and you're probably the only one doing a model of judgment like that in the whole world. Or do you have your own legal theory? maybe negative law theory?

If you are not writing either to complete your own signature post, then I don't think you should be responding to my comment. There is no need to bold only those few words; I read correctly everything that you wrote there, and I can clearly say you are speaking more of yourself and how some members think you have some shady interests on the forum. That was the reason I suggested that you  have your own thread to discuss that. This thread is about Ryb and Rubycoin, not "Learn Bitcoin". Even before I quoted that first reply, had you checked my profile very correctly, you would have found out that I even had more than enough posts for my signature post count for that week.



I didn't beg for merit, mate. I just said my opinion, and I believe that my opinion is shared by quite a few members here. By the way, you think if I had want some merit, I wouldn't have been applying to some merit source?  ??? ??? ???



I agree with you, @JollyGood. It's better for a self-discussion thread (for any accused user who wishes to clear up the accusation he or she has received) than piping in their own situation in a thread that's not about them (perhaps the thread is specified as for just Rby and Rubycoin, like the OP said, and I reckon you too).



Cheers 🥂, Dr.Bitcoin_Strange 👺👺

@JollyGood You have taken a good initiative I think there are some other DT members including you for whom this forum no longer has trading accounts like it used to.  Such warnings will stop corruption from the forum.  I think you took strict action against those who bought and sold accounts in 2022, for which now the forum is much stronger.

I was following PytagoraZ's thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5458785.0). He was left a neutral tag with the following assumption.


It was because PytagoraZ spoke against JollyGood. It will be interesting if you will be receiving a negative inspired neutral feedback too.

@DireWolfM14, replying your response of the following
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456026.msg62508632#msg62508632

I already explained it in details LOL

Why it's taking too long to ~JollyGood.

Quite interesting. Do you guys have any plans to create your own thread for argumentative debate? I will prepare popcorn and watch it. Maybe I'll bet a little


JG is not the type of person to be invited to discuss. Even I doubt he has the capacity to discuss. Maybe he doesn't have a book to read. So what he recommends is nonsense


The only best solution if have a problem with him is like that. He's not the type of person to talk to
~JollyGood is solusion  ;)

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Then for the continuation of this thread? he left her. Nothing matters anymore, because its purpose is only to provide red tags. There are no more clarifications, assumptions are just floating in the clouds, there is no decision whatsoever.

You, appearing regularly in topics about JollyGood, more and more show yourself as a kind of "offended snowflake", which was previously painted red by JollyGood. And it is precisely because of this that you are such an ardent opponent who is fighting to be kicked out of the DT.
I don't need to prove that you are the one who came here to change the world; each person will always act in their interests above all, and you have an interest in denying JollyGood.
We just need to take the time to remember who was dyed by JollyGood from the Indonesian section, and the more you are so loud, the easier it will be to find your former account.

And yes, you probably noticed today after the update how your chances of getting into DT disappear.

I think that is the expected norm with all forum members. If anybody wishes to discuss any situation or any topic they are free to create topics and threads to contain the conversation within it. If any member believes he has been treated unfairly by any fellow members he should probably send them a PM first to discuss the issue and failing that he should consider creating a thread to discuss it openly with members.

You have created a new account around 48 hours ago and made this your second post. Reading through your post history it seems clear this is not your first account here therefore your motives remain unknown (for now).

It would be seriously insulting the intelligence of members if we were to believe the nonsense that PytagoraZ is not an alt-account. Whatever the motive was behind creating this PytagoraZ account, it has failed but other newbies accounts created days ago are already posting in boards that they should have literally no knowledge about therefore the drama will continue.

This member clearly has some ulterior motives against me, maybe I tagged one or of his previous accounts. Having said that, one of the reasons why these alt-account and farm operators feel some sense of empowerment is because they see occasional posts in almost every thread that appears questioning the tags I left. Some mentally imbalanced trolls just cannot stop themselves from posting asking members to distrust me and somehow that makes them feel important  ::)

Maybe you should take a look at the first page of this thread, I've been following this thread from the beginning, so maybe I didn't suddenly appear in this thread

If you have some spare time, maybe you can do that. But I'm afraid you will be disappointed and find nothing


hi JG
I'm glad to see you back. Thanks also for your satirical phrasing, sounds pretty good. The next question is, is it logical if I have an account that has been red tagged from you, suddenly appears and opposes you? Maybe I'd be better off hiding if I had a past like that. Moreover, my merit is already half way to get to rank FM. I don't know why people think like that

Or maybe you have a plan to accuse me of being connected to that newbie account?

I honestly have nothing against you, I'm just asking about preliminary evidence and initial analysis for this judgment thread you created. But you don't respond and assume too far and have nothing to do with this judgment thread. I have no right to control people's opinions

But letting go, I just want you to end this judgment thread. what results were obtained and what decisions were obtained or will wait for concrete evidence about the rby case, because I haven't seen concrete evidence, it's still just an assumption

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I'm also surprised that you red tagged rby with a reference to your old thread instead of this one. Even though you didn't tag him yourself before, I'm surprised that at first you didn't have strong beliefs so you didn't tag him at all

1. There's plenty of evidence that suggests the rby account changed hands.
2. There's plenty of evidence that suggests the original account owner was a scammer.
3. Not everything is about you.
4. Regardless of whether or not you are an alt account, you're annoying AF. Give it a rest.

Seriously, this guy is like a nullius minus the intimate knowledge of bitcoin and cryptography.

Fine.. I respect all the decisions that exist. So please JG give a closing statement and lock the thread so that the decision is final and nothing can be contested. If rby does not agree with the results, you can create a new thread (such as an appeal or cassation in a legal case)

Or this thread can be reopened if there is other supporting evidence that has not been attached

Amazing... a breathtaking level of hubris on display.

First of all, you don't "respect all the decisions that exist." If you did, you wouldn't immediately tell JG - who has been here nearly 6 years longer than you - what he should be doing. You've been here for a month now. How could you possibly have developed a grasp of what should be done in this situation? You clearly haven't. But the fact that you believe you have requires a staggering degree of overconfidence if we are to believe you are actually a newbie. You're quickly becoming your own rby situation.

I don't know what to say to you. Why does everyone think registering here is like registering at school? Yes, if someone has just registered for school, maybe he doesn't know anything.

This is the common thread of judgment, of course related to the law. You can buy a law book on the side of the road for $3.

I don't see any progress in this thread regarding this case. And what's even funnier, the outcome of the case hasn't even been decided yet but has been given a red tag. Maybe you need to spend a little time learning about the law. Or if you've been here for a long time, does that mean you already understand the law?

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So are we always going off topic?
Make a rule that other than DT may not comment here. I will definitely leave this thread for good

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Edit:
Is this a threat and intimidation? that if anyone dared to criticize DT then they would use DT's power to tag?

What goes on here has nothing to do with the law. Here's the main problem: you keep talking like you understand how anything about how this forum works, and you clearly don't. I guess that works in favor of the idea that you're a newbie. On the other hand, you might be playing dumb sometimes on purpose.

Regardless, I've wasted too much time on this subject already. A parting word of advice is to stop butting in on subjects which you know nothing about. Ignorance and ego are never a good combination. You're not helping your own reputation which you are so desperately trying to grow (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456354.msg62408224#msg62408224).

You'll probably ignore this advice but you can't say I never tried to help you.

Sounds like a good suggestion and deserves consideration. But you also need to remember this, don't give threats or intimidation once again because of your strength as a DT.

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So what did you do that wasn't based on a legal concept? or maybe with the law of the jungle?
Yes... maybe you've wasted time to discuss with me. Or sometimes people run away from the discussion when the argument isn't enough
But I like to discuss with you. thanks

If you interpreted my comparison of you and rby as a threat, that's your personal choice.

You really are unbelievable, in more ways than one.

We're going off topic too much, Let's see how JG finishes what he started

You are not surprised, you are playing ignorant. This is a discussion thread regarding the rby account and the Rubycoin scam and it was created to keep any other thread I created on-topic.

Nonsense. I created a thread over 4 years ago about the Rubycoin scam (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102088) but looks like I forgot to tag the rby account and that was already mentioned (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5457879.msg62502084#msg62502084).

PytagoraZ is showing signs of extreme narcissism as though the world revolves around him. He already knows all this but is pretending to be ignorant.

Over the years we all have seen strange conduct from members. PytagoraZ has not been the only one displaying an over inflated ego with extreme levels of self-importance but he certainly has ulterior motives.

No, we are not going off-topic. This thread was created to discuss anything at all related to the rby account or the Rubycoin scam. Also, there is nothing for me to finish because I did not start anything. The rby account started this with the Rubycoin scam before the account changed hands.

This thread will remain unlocked as it would discourage the current rby account owner/operator (and members such as yourself) to post nonsense elsewhere. This thread was not created to discuss whether or not such specific thing related to the rby account occurred as the OP states: