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I heard about this news few months ago but I had to wait for official announcement, now it's here, new Keystone 3 hardware wallet is coming soon!

Anyone can join the waitlist with promotional discount price by posting on Keystone twitter page, and you can find that link Join Waitlist (https://twitter.com/KeystoneWallet/status/1677260351489048577) on their website.

What we know Keystone 3 so far?

Not much, but based on twitter posts and other information from Keystone team we know that new device will be redesigned and much thinner than in older models.

We don't know anything about the price and other changes compared to current Keystone wallets, but they are mentioning some new Security Schemes that will be revealed in few days.

I tried talking with Keystone team several times to find out more but communication on their end is very bad :P

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/07/07/ZSpBo.jpeg
https://keyst.one/

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This topic will be used for posting any news and updates about new Keystone 3 device.

Note that I am not supporting Keystone wallet in any way, and you should do your own research for everything.

I did a quick duck-duck-a-go'in on the Keystone 3 as that pic you posted makes it look very much like a smartphone, and though I didn't find a better image I was zoning out and wondering if form factors of HW wallets follow any trends like cellphones did.  Many of you brilliantly brainiac youngsters might not have seen the evolution first-hand, but cellphones started out big and got progressively smaller (ending with some variation of the Razr I think) until smartphones just took over the world everywhere, all at once.  Those began small and then started getting much bigger as time went on.

And all of that blabbering is to say that I'm wondering if new HW wallets are being designed to look like modern day smartphones and breaking away from the "tiny device" form factor (Ledger, Blockstream Jade, Keepkey).  I know not all of them are, because there are a lot that mimic credit cards but it's got my mind....jigglin' like jelly.

Probably so far off topic that my above thoughts will get this post deleted, but I just want to say that I like the smaller HW wallets for the simple fact that they're easier to conceal if need be.  If you've got one the size of a standard smartphone, it's not exactly inconspicuous--plus I'd think that they'd be more prone to damage from dropping or some other form of damage to the screen.

Also:  You said you don't endorse the Keystone 3, dkbit98, and this time around I don't even need to heed your disclaimer.  After Ledger's little lie, I consider all hardware wallets to be collectibles only.  Fool me once, shame on me (in this case, because I was warned).  Fool me twice....ain't gonna happen.

There is a little bit more information in this blog post they released yesterday:
https://blog.keyst.one/paving-the-way-for-a-secure-web3-future-the-forthcoming-launch-of-keystone-3-62b8dc4810d0
Most of it, though, is about them telling the world why they are the best.

There is this close up of the upcoming Keystone 3, which really resembles a smartphone.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/07/08/ZnURZ.jpeg

They have also released a timeline showing when more information about the upcoming product is supposed to become available. Most of it will be revealed by the end of the month.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/07/08/ZnuQw.jpeg

Keystone 3 HW with OKX partnership after some days of OKX new KYC restrictions. I hope it will be something useful.

The reason for this is that they want it to be an Airgapped HW, where all you need is an app on your phone and scan the HW QR to broadcast the transaction, there are no connections with your computer, all you need is to charge it.
in Ledger you need to connect it to your PC.

The large size comes from the battery and some parts such as the camera and SD card port, so it looks like smart phone.

I expected to see the Cyberpunk version of the wallet that CEO Lixin promised (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5359720.msg57966461#msg57966461) to release in 2022 - 2023. This version was intended for advanced users who will be able to independently compile the firmware from open source and install it on the wallet.
Perhaps this version will be released as a variant of Keystone 3 if they haven't changed their plans.

I hope they won't go the ledger route, and try to mess around with Recovery features and direct connection with exchanges that could reduce privacy.
Partnership could mean that OKX will offer co-branded Keystone devices, and last information I got is that Keystone will offer co-branding for their new device (like other hardware wallets are doing already).

Maybe it looks like a smartphone from a far, but when you take it in hands you will notice much smaller size.

Oh they changed plans many times since then :)
Last thing I heard is that Keystone 3 will be used for Bitcoin and shitcoins, and they will create different model of hardware wallet only for Bitcoin support.

The thing I like most about Keystone is its fully air-gapped (no WiFi, BT, NFC, 3G/4G, etc.) approach. Even to update the firmware, you have to use an SD card, and you can't do it via cable. So, even if some stupid executive at the top of the company hierarchy decided at some point to follow the Ledger route, they wouldn't be able to do it with the current hardware.

They have developed an open QR code standard for interacting with wallet and signing transactions, which is starting to be accepted by almost all software wallet developers. I like their "sign only what you see" attitude and using QR codes is exactly what we need for a cold wallet. Of course, this has its drawbacks because the wallet must have a camera and a screen with a sufficiently high resolution, but I think it's a good compromise between security and usability.

Part of the cell phone looking reasons may just be cost.
There are a lot of cases, screens, PCBs, camera modules and so on that exist for the cell phone world.
If you don't have to engineer the case and screen and camera module from an already existing smart phone. And, look the battery fits in the same spot that it did in the phone too.
Then all you have to do is the actual hardware board and you're done, but with a lot less time and cost.

No idea if that is the reason but I see it as a possibility.

-Dave

As mentioned in their agenda, some of Secure Elements information has been released.
Secure Elements: The Bedrock of Hardware Wallet Security
https://blog.keyst.one/secure-elements-the-bedrock-of-hardware-wallet-security-1dd8cbdef461

Advanced Defenses of Secure Elements

• Fending off Side-Channel Attacks
• Hindering Power Analysis Attacks
• Thwarting Cold Boot Attacks
• Repelling Fault Attacks

It seems that there are promising things, but they remain promises unless we get an accurate review from a third party, such as hardware professionals, or those who succeeded in hacking some HW with physical access to the device.

This is really interesting update from Keystone that is going to use three secure elements in their new device Keystone 3.
Coldcard Q1 announced they will use two secure elements, but Keystone has gone step further with adding one more.
I have to update my topic on secure elements in hardware wallets, and I have exact chip models from keystone3, but one of them is only used for securing fingerprint data in Pro version.
That means that Keystone 3 regular version will have two secure elements.

New article revealed from images for Keystone3 and I think it looks much better and slicker than all previous Keystone models.
They also claim that battery life is improved and it will last much longer, but I hope replacement would stay easy, not like with most modern smartphones.
Very important thing I am waiting to see is the price of Keystone3, and anything between 100 to 200 USD is acceptable for me.

Hi, we added Keystone 3 and Keystone 3 Pro to our website, where we compare more than 30 different hardware wallets: https://thebitcoinhole.com/
We tried to get all the available info about this new wallet. We will update the missing data as soon as more info is release by Keystone.

We also have this page where we compare Keystone 3 vs Keystone 3 Pro: https://thebitcoinhole.com/wallets/keystone-3-vs-keystone-3-pro

First video review of the new Keystone 3 pro hardware wallet was released by MineYourBiz, and I recommend everyone to check it out.
It's interesting that you can see how this wallet works, but you will also see teardown and opening of device itself.
Note that this is not final product but it is very similar and internal components should be almost identical.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/07/25/QTIPC.jpeg https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/07/25/QTsjb.jpeg https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/07/25/QTfiI.jpeg
Source video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2igVmmRvdn0

The main difference I see here is much smaller battery that can't be removed/replaced without destroying the device, there is pros and cons with this, but I am personally not a fan of integrated batteries.
Size of Keystone3 is a bit smaller than in older Keystone wallets (103.9 x 62.44 x 12.08 mm vs 112 x 65 x 18 mm) and it has smoother edges, but size of the screen appears to be the same size.
Keystone will be adding USB and Bluetooth connection with PC in this model, and I think they are second hardware wallet after Cypherock X1 to add support for multiple seed phrases.
Overall it looks like interesting device but there are few things I don't like (integrated battery, bluetooth) and I will have to see the final price to say if this is worth or not.

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A non-removable battery, and in addition a 2032 type battery that will fail sooner or later. I wouldn't recommend buying this wallet. For now I will use my Keystone pro.

No big reasons to upgrade anything if you already own Keystone wallet.
Advantage is that it's much harder to tamper with this new device and modify anything if you are a malicious actor, so it's not all black & white.
However, I would love to see Keystone 3 special separate wallet version with removable battery, and I don't think this would be a problem for Keystone team.
Right now I think OneKey Touch is the main competition for Keystone3, and OneKey is significantly smaller and lighter device that has the same size screen.

The CR2032 Lithium battery you see in the pictures is probably only for backup, and possibly for the internal clock. If you watch the complete teardown video, you can spot the pouch battery pack, similar to those used in various consumer devices with a rechargeable battery. I can't make out the manufacturer's number from the video, so I don't know the exact specifications of the battery. However, judging by the design and size, it's probably a Li-Polymer battery of at least several hundred mAh (some unconfirmed sources suggest 1000mAh). Such a battery, depending on the way the device is used and stored, can last for many years without major problems (very likely over 1000 charges).

I think that's more than enough lifespan for a device of this type because I doubt that anyone would want to use some old piece of hardware for their finances for say 10 years or more.

Well, it did make sense to increase phone size when people started browsing the web and watching movies on them. Hardware wallets will not need a bigger screen for anything, because their function will not substantially change. Therefore, I see no reason for huge hardware wallets.

I do enjoy devices that have a proper keypad or keyboard, since that allows me to quickly enter longer passphrases and passwords. So a certain minimum size would be needed, but not for a huge screen.

Personally, I believe we should keep in mind that Ledger was always a full-stack closed-source product. It's easy to 'fool' people when you keep them in the dark.
If a device is fully open and verifiable, e.g. following some of what https://betrusted.io/ are doing, it puts these little things miles ahead in terms of trust and 'reduced fooling potential' compared to something like a Ledger.

Wow, that's actually pretty nice. They're not the first ones to try a multi-secure element design, but others combined it e.g. with the secure element of their NFC IC (with the obvious drawbacks that come with this design decision..).

I'm excited to see the source files of this device and maybe also buy one for review.

Unfortunately, this makes it quite unsuited as a long-term / semi-cold-storage option. On a Passport, you can pop out the Li-Ion battery if you know the device won't be used for 6 months, which greatly reduces risk of pillowing.^[1]

That's unfortunate, as well. Also looks quite a bit less fancy (thicker, cheaper) than the renders.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/04/18/lithium-ion-battery-swelling-why/

Just for the sake of the internal clock, add CR2032 to this device? Doubtful. Will this battery work as backup power? Is it suitable for this? Another question is, if the CR2032 runs out at the moment of confirming the transaction, how will this affect this process? Although this can happen only after many years, because I think the load on her will be small.

The internal battery is of course less preferable, but it allows you to make the Keystone more compact. Even 1000 mAh should be enough to run a hardware wallet. Here, after all, the device will be turned on only at the time of confirmation of transactions and, moreover, for a short time. You won't be watching videos on a Keystone , which would drain the battery very quickly.:)

Keystone just released new blog article and we now have official prices for new Keystone 3 devices and they are not bad at all compared to other hardware wallets.
Keystone 3 price is going to be $99 and Keystone 3 Pro version (with biometrics) price is going to be $129, and maybe there will be some additional discount for people who first got whitelisted.
That is significantly lower price compared with OneKey, Trezor T, Passport and other hardware wallets, and it's one of the first device with three secure elements, and ability to store three seed phrases.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/07/27/QJBxv.jpeg
source: https://blog.keyst.one/keystone-3-the-ultimate-protector-of-your-digital-assets-122144288fad

Another thing I noticed today is changed Logo on their X-twitter page is the new logo, so I am think they are in process of rebranding.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/07/27/QJKOI.jpeg
@KeystoneWallet

Any lithium battery will die way before that even if it is maintained in a best way, but I hope there is still an option to power USB cable and power on device.

I agree it's better to have removable battery, but I think you can easily have additional external battery connected with USB cable, or just connect it directly with power source.
Passport is more quality device but it's double the price of Keystone, so I wouldn't complain very much ;)

Does biometrics require about $30, I don’t know, but it is not an essential feature to add to this price. I thought it would be possible with that price to remove the logo or different designs from the basic one.


What is the benefit of this? you can create thousands of accounts by create and delete a wallet in many HW wallets, which I think is safer than keeping 3 wallets at the same time.

The battery is another problem, but at this price and with the Black Friday sales (if they happen), I think it is appropriate.
The feature that caught my eye is PCI-grade anti-tampering feature which is a good trend that hardware wallets now take into account physical attacks.

What is the purpose of the CR2032 battery on PC motherboards? As far as I know, they are used to power the internal clock and retain the BIOS settings. Nothing more. And, in my experience, these batteries tend to outlast the average lifespan of a motherboard. I've only had to change the motherboard battery once in my life, and that was on a very old Pentium based system.

Following that analogy, I assume the battery in Keystone HW is also responsible for supplying power to the internal clock and to the security chip's memory.

That's actually very affordable. Nice to see. It may become a good budget option.

Of course, if the battery dies you may be able to power it externally. But I'm talking about possible damage to the device itself, which is possible when a Lithium battery is stored inside a device for a long time without being charged / discharged.
Then again, it's fairly cheap to replace and you should have proper backups anyway.

I'm not sure why a hardware wallet needs a real-time clock, but that would be the only plausible use case. Any type of data storage (e.g. secure chip memory) is usually non-volatile nowadays.

I really hate it when companies try to hype their product by showing a picture of an insignificant corner of the device. If they need that, it makes me think the device itself isn't impressive enough.

Many Bitcoins haven't moved in 10 years, and ignoring the ones that are lost, many of those must belong to long-term HODLers. I haven't owned Bitcoin for 10 years yet, but I don't like moving funds either.

I've seen many lithium batteries that still work after 10 years, although they lost maybe 40% capacity. I've also seen lithium batteries break phones because they inflated. It's convenient to have a battery in a hardware wallet, but adds a risk factor.

Do keep in mind that it's possible to get the 'best of both worlds' by making it easily user-replaceable, as that gives us the option to just store it outside the device and quickly insert it when needed.

In case that I'll buy a Keystone 3, I would try to figure out if it's possible to non-destructively open it and unplug and remove the battery for long-term storage. After all, it seems to be using a standard JST-type connector.

Yes, but you don't have to move funds in order to replace a hardware device (assuming you even use one for such long-term hodling).

Hardware wallet devices (especially one like this) are designed to be a practical compromise between security of funds and convenience of use (spending). For long-term hodlers, however, I think that a simple paper or metal plate with a seed phrase (without any hardware/software wallet) is still a safer solution because it significantly reduces the number of attack vectors.

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According to the video, it appears that the device will be designed to be tamper-resistant. So, if you try to open it, the device will likely reset, assuming the final device is constructed similarly to the prototype. It won't be a problem as long as you can restart the device again. Let's just hope they don't take drastic measures, such as bricking the device completely.

I wouldn't worry about it. The transaction will either be signed or not. Since Keystone is an airgapped device, you aren't broadcasting anything directly from the hardware wallet to the internet. But even if you did, the coins can't disappear in an irretrievable way. If signed and broadcast, they will start being spread across connected nodes and their mempools. If not, the coins remain in the same address you had them in. Do it again once you restore power.

You answered that yourself. If your hardware wallet supports only one seed, you'll have to reset it to factory settings to enter a second one. By supporting 3 seeds, no resetting is needed if you have up to 3 seeds in it. A reset will be needed only if you need to switch to a 4th.

One may have as many wallets as he wants with a single SEED by attaching  different password phrase  to the given SEED. In this case the factory reset is not needed.

Frankly speaking, I also consider a few wallets in a single case as a ridiculous approach. 

Structurally separated wallets can be stored in different places and you can take only the one you need at the moment.

I understand what you are saying, and I am not disagreeing. I am not defending Keystone's choice of system here, nor am I criticizing it. I am simply explaining the logic behind it and what is possible to do. It's a completely different discussion whether someone should keep multiple seed phrases in their hardware device, how safe that is, and if there are better alternatives.

To repeat. If I want to have two or three separate recovery phrases in the same device and at the same time, I can't do that with my Ledger or Trezor. But I can do it if I had a Keystone. That was my whole point. 

Additional secure element and hardware for reading fingerprints costs money, and I think old Keystone Pro version had tampering detection unlike regular version, but I am not sure if this will be the case for Keystone3.  

Silly question... so I won't respond to this since the answer is obvious.

I compared prices for all other hardware wallets and I think this move from Keystone will force other hardware wallet manufactures to think about reducing prices, or giving special discounts.
There are few cheaper hardware wallets out there, but Trezor One will stop producing soon, cheaper OneKey devices are all based on Trezor One code, so we only have Jade wallet that is currently cheaper.

And it's compatible with other hardware wallets, but I don't think battery should last for years without problem, and it won't be as shitty as in ledger nono X.  :P

You also need battery for laptops and many other devices ;)
I think heat and water are the main problems for lithium batteries, so keeping them away in cooler dry places is a good suggestion.
Tesla crap had huge problems when floods with water started to ignite batteries and create fires that can't be put down with more water.

I just realized another issue with this type of battery pack. They usually have a very thin PCB at the very top, underneath the orange tape, with unknown ICs potentially running unknown code.
https://i.postimg.cc/XJyxJFVR/image.png

In theory, they are just supposed to hold protection circuitry for the cells, but to reduce the risk of supply-chain attacks and hardware implants, some companies chose to use standard, user-removable and inspectable batteries instead (AA's or BL-5C's).

Generally speaking, it is a tough choice whether to make such a device tamper-proof / -resistant or not. It really depends on someone's individual attacker model, too. All of the 'verifiable hardware' principles go out the window if you brick it the moment you open it.

On the other hand, IF you do trust the manufacturer, supply chain and shipping, it can really effectively protect you from basically any (hardware) attack in day-to-day usage, since for almost every single attack on hardware wallets so far, it was required to physically open them up.

Although there are exceptions to this, as well...

There's a positive cable, a negative, and one that has to do with protecting the battery (https://www.junleepower.com/blogs/new/what-is-the-function-of-the-three-wires-of-lithium-batteries). The hardware wallet shouldn't accept any "data" coming from those cables, no matter what an attacker programs into the battery.

In theory, that is indeed correct. I'm not aware of cases where hardware implants were realized through battery packs, but I can see how that is a place where you are able to hide a rogue IC in plain sight.

Even though that would require changes to the main device (e.g. to accept data from the battery protection wire).

Planned obsolescence is O.k. when it comes to bitcoin hardware wallets? 

I was thinking that a hardware device should have way more than 10 years shelf-life.. maybe even 30 years, even though sure maybe the battery would need to be changed a few times.. and yeah, maybe we might end up porting our coins (I mean access to the private keys to some other device - but would we want to have to move our coins for the mere sake of it?  maybe just leave our coins in the same spot?)


What he said.

 ;)


Of course, even if I may well have been assuming that a hardware wallet would last much longer than 10 years, and maybe even 20-30 years, I was never considering that there would not be a back-up seed held in some kind of way(s).... and yeah, maybe if someone might ONLY be interacting with his/her hardware wallet once every couple of years (to verify funds and perhaps to verify that it still works and that s/he still knows how to use it), there may be some benefits in terms of keeping the amount of maintenance low and perhaps ONLY doing the bare minimum.. which is just making sure that everything still works.

For sure, if there might be some security vulnerabilities that might develop (or come to be known) at some point down the road, maybe we might presume that the more years that pass, the more likely that security vulnerabilities would be found out in regards to older devices and perhaps become vulnerable in certain kinds of scenarios - maybe also never presuming that losing physical access to the device would allow much sense of security and/or perhaps cause urgent needs to actually move the coins if that kind of a loss of access were to be discovered.

Hi,

We had the chance to receive a prototype of the new Keystone 3 Pro.
https://twitter.com/thebitcoinhole/status/1686546349498499072

These are our impressions about it.
✅ Rounded bounds compared with the previous generation make it feel more comfortable.
✅ Reduced size and dimensions, keeping the same screen 4" screen size.
❌ Missing removable battery. This is something will miss compared with the previous generation.
✅ 2 years warranty compared to the 1 year offered by the previous model.
✅ The support to manage up to 3 unique seed phrases from a single device is awesome. We didn't find this feature in any of the other wallets we compare.
✅ The wallet setup is super easy. With the chance to easily switch between 12 and 24 words, and recreate new keys with just one tap.
✅ Possibility to sign transactions using USB data, Bluetooth or QR, covering the different levels of expertise.
✅ The same with the firmware updates. You can upgrade using the USB port or a MicroSD card.
✅4 ways to configure the device unlock and the access to different features: numeric PIN, alphanumeric password, fingerprint, or gesture.
✅ A dedicated software is used instead of Android, which gives more security to the wallet.
❌ The touch sensor works fine, but it could be a bit better.
❌Missing features like SeedQR support, ephemeral seeds, some advanced security PIN features, etc.
✅ Very good price ($129) for a wallet with camera,  touch screen, fingerprint sensor and 3 secure elements

You can see all the details of the Keystone 3 Pro on our website.
https://thebitcoinhole.com/wallets/keystone-3-pro

I agree and add that it is impossible to do planned aging for wallets, as they do with smartphones. Even in a smartphone, if desired, you can replace the battery, which is already impossible with Keystone 3.
The wallet does not need to constantly improve the hardware either, it must have enough resources to scan the QR code, and the ability to sign the transaction. The constant increase in processor power and increase in memory can only lead to more backdoors and greater difficulty in detecting them.

Looks like Keystone 3  will miss EU market as European Parliament mandates  removable batteries in smartphone and all consumer electronics.

According to https://wallets.thebitcoinhole.com/ Keystone wallets are produced by China company (the headquarter is in Hong Kong) and, AFAIK, the companies from this country are tradiitionally oriented on EU market, so the decision to make battery irremovable in this particular model seems to be very strange.

Nice gesture from Keystone team.
Do you know if there will be any other difference between Keystone 3 Pro and regular version, except the lack of biometric fingerprint scanner and third secure element?
I know older version difference was tampering detection and I was wondering if that was the same in new version.
Biometrics are not my thing, especially for hardware wallets and saving $30 is also nice.

Maybe they will introduce additional model with removable battery soon, but even now you are purchasing all smartphones with non-removable batteries in EU.

Has anyone passed the Keystone vote (https://twitter.com/KeystoneWallet/status/1686671676640247808)?


In general, in any case, after 18 months, regular Keystone wallets (gen.2) will not receive updates.
And now let's remember the story: first they release COBO wallets, then, due to internal disagreements, they stop supporting them and offer users to buy the same thing again but under the Keystone brand.
Now they are again offering to switch to the new Keystone 3 wallet, which does not differ significantly from the old models.
In my opinion, they give too short a life for their relatively expensive wallets.
And where is the guarantee that in a couple of years they will again not offer everyone to switch to Keystone 4?

The Trezor One and Ledger nano S were released in 2014 and 2016, respectively, and continue to receive updates to this day. Keystone is ending support for two generations of its wallets (3 Cobo models and 2 Keystone models) in a fairly short period of time. Personally, I no longer trust their products.

I don't think it really matters because they already made a decision, and this was just a way to get more attention from people.
Like whitelisting was not only for people who applied on twitter, it is for everyone in next 6-7 days...

Expensive?!
Price was always around $100, much cheaper that Trezor T, ledgers, and most other hardware wallets offered today.

Anyway...website redesign is now complete, but Keystone also released yet again new Keystone logo, and they are officially releasing Kestone 3 Pro version for discount price of $90 (plus shipping).
This is currently one of the best deals for hardware wallets and price is fair in my opinion, but I more interested in Bitcoin only version or one with removable battery (they are thinking of releasing this in future).
I listened latest interview with Keystone CEO and if I understood correctly this new bitcoin-only wallet will have totally different name and branding.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/08/08/GJhH5.jpeg
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/08/08/GJosz.jpeg
https://keyst.one/

This is bunch or crap and incorrect information, and ledger has the worst hardware wallets in the world.
Ledger model S stopped manufacturing, ledger X uses worst batteries ever, they have a bunch of old models that ended up in graveyard, not to mention all the leaks, closed source code, recent disaster with Rec0very crap, etc.

I do not dispute the fact that the Ledger nano S has been discontinued, which is absolutely natural since they are replaced by the nano s plus model, but they still receive firmware updates.

You also write about the low price of the Keystone, but I bought my Keystone Pro for $169 and pretty soon I'll have to throw it in the dustbin. I also want to remind you that they previously released one of the most expensive wallets in the world  Cobo vault (https://decrypt.co/22646/cobo-vault-wallet-review-impressive-security-comes-at-a-cost) worth $479, which someone probably bought and already threw in the trash.

But if you like to throw away wallets a few years after purchase and then buy new ones, then I will not argue with that, that's your right.

So does Keystone previous version.
It is more likely that ledger will soon stop updating ledger S, because they announced it themselves.
But if you like using ledgers old closed source junk, go ahead and do it, your choice.

Keystone always had a lot of discounts and promotions.
I never said they are cheap or cheapest wallet in the world, but they are certainly airgapped open source devices with fair price.

Keystone is not open source, and I have been considering writing a blog posts that dives into their claims.

Here's their 5 GB+ Android OS that does not have source code available:

https://github.com/KeystoneHQ/Keystone-system


What about their secure element firmware? Looks like that code can only be compiled with proprietary ARM software called Keil. https://github.com/KeystoneHQ/keystone-se-firmware

Additionally, there is no information as to who even makes their secure element. It's some kind of white labeled processor. https://github.com/KeystoneHQ/Keystone-developer-hub/blob/main/hardware/Keystone_V1.02_BOM.xls

Furthermore, their hardware schematic is not all-inclusive and omits the self-destruct mechanism.

Hopefully Keystone 3 will actually be open source, but I am growing tired of hardware wallet companies hiding behind false claims of open source. It really damages the definition and I consider it attack on the FOSS movement.

Yes. there are other differences. For example Keystone 3 doesn't support multiple private keys at the same time as the Pro version. Also not supporting upgrade using the USB cable.
You can see a comparation between both versions here: https://thebitcoinhole.com/wallets/keystone-3-vs-keystone-3-pro

I would be interested to read that blog post, and I know WalletScrutiny could not verify source code for older version but that was one year ago.
This is not the first time I saw companies from China doing modification on source codes like this.

I don't think there is any open source secure elements yet, so that means that all hardware wallets have weak spot here.
Not that I am comparing this with Keystone example.

This is for older device, I am not sure they released code for new devices yet.
They changed it now and they released in public name of all secure elements, one of them is the same chip like Passport is using.
ATECC608B + Maxim DS28S60 (+ Maxim MAX32520 that is used only for Keystone 3 Pro version)

I agree with this.
When I asked Keystone CEO all this questions he refused to tell me more information, I think becasue they have signed some NDA crap.  :P

Maybe this is not such a bad thing, since I don't consider Keystone 3 Pro to be true airgapped device anymore.

Regarding Ledger Nano S, it continues to receive some updates but not all. The crypto apps are the same for all three Ledger devices. So, when an app gets updated, users of all three models can update it on their end. The only thing the developers need to pay attention to is the limited memory on the old Nano S.

The firmware is a different question, though. The latest version of the Nano S firmware came out in late 2021. No updates since then.
At the same time, the Nano X's latest firmware version was released in July 2023.
The Nano S Plus' newest firmware dates back to February 2023.

Based on this, it's clear that the Nano S doesn't have priority for the Ledger team. 

Me neither, but at the same time we have Foundation Passport that claims that all its software and hardware is open-source.

Except secure element part.
ATECC608A and ATECC608B chips are probably better and more open then other secure elements used in hardware wallets, but they are still not open source.
Kestone is including this same secure element in new Keystone3, but they have additional secure element(s) from different manufacturers.

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All Keystone 3 has been sold out!
You can now only order pre-sale Keystone with 20% discount, for around $103 + shipping.
They expect send batch to arrive in November.

In that case one can't say that the hardware structure of Foundation Passport is open-source. A great deal of it is, probably more than with other manufacturers. But you are still dealing with an essential close-source chip that is the Secure Element and probably NDAs just like with other brands. I remember that I read somewhere that they have an open-source hardware license. Not sure how one can acquire that unless each component qualifies as open-source. Anyways, this is the wrong topic for such discussions.   

I didn't notice your remarks earlier, but I have already placed an order for a Keystone 3 Pro. Although I am a Chinese, but don't have much trust in Chinese products. There are very few well-known hardware wallets that support altcoins, which is quite unfortunate and leaves limited options.
I'm trying to contact Keystone for a refund. Alternatively, buying a Bitbox would be more reassuring.

Finally I managed to saw one video review for new Keystone 3 hardware wallet, and btw what's up with manufacturers naming hardware wallets with boring number 3, first it was Keystone, than Trezor, who is next Bitbox or Passport? ;)

Anyway, here is Keystone 3 video review made by Crypto Guide, I suggest everyone to watch it if you can, it's around 20 minutes long.
Important thing he notices about open source claims, Keystone said they will enable it later in November, that is next month so let's see what happens.
As of now Keystone 3 is still NOT open source device (yet).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyi-YznynSk

Based on the information I found, Keystone used to have the Keystone Essential and the Keystone Pro. But the latter is just a better version of the former, so it's basically Keystone 1. Their Keystone 3 and Keystone 3 Pro versions should then be Keystone 2. Again we are looking at almost the same type of device. So I don't follow the logic of naming it Keystone 3. It would make more sense to call it Keystone 2 or Keystone 3 and 4.

It makes more sense for Trezor to do it. Trezor One is #1, Trezor T is #2, and Trezor Safe 3 is #3.

They call the wallet open-source software and hardware-wise all over their website and shop. Making it open-source in November doesn't change the fact that it wasn't like that in the past, and if the code wasn't verifiable, it could have done anything during that timeframe. 

Looking forward to reading more about their embedded system ^{[it looks quite laggy on a new device in 2023 (not sure if it's poorly optimized or the internal components aren't good enough)]}.

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For those who are interested in getting one of these HWs, there's a 20% discount for its pre-sale that ends in 4 days!

I want 3 different brands of open source hardware wallets to store altcoins and spread risk.
I currently use Trezor One and placed an order of BitBox02, and need a third one of different brand.
I have noticed that Keystone 3 pro used an embedded system, not the previous Android OS.
But I am not sure whether Keystone 3 will be completely open source like Trezor Safe 3 and Bitbox02, and be reproducible.
Or just wait a few months for more informations?
(Note: I cancelled my previous keystone 3 pro order)

The only thing I know is this piece of information:

• Quote from: https://blog.keyst.one/opting-for-rust-in-the-development-of-keystone-3-b71e497b538d
  The release of the open source codes for Keystone 3 will be done in a staggered manner rather than simultaneous. This approach is necessary to protect our users from the heightened risk of cyberattacks that typically arise when the source code is revealed, as it simplifies the process of identifying vulnerabilities.

I need to sign a message to prove ownership of a receiving address on my new Keystone 3 Pro.
I did that before with Electrum and a BitBox02. But Electrum can't seem to sign messages using an airgapped wallet.
Any idea how to sign a message with Keystone 3 Pro?

I don't have Keystone 3 to test this, but maybe you can try signing a message using Sparrow wallet in combination with Keystone device:
https://sparrowwallet.com/

If this doens't work, try askiing for help from keystone team.

As far as I can see Sparrow can't sign a message via an airgapped device either.
But I'll do some research.

Keystone added USB connection in model 3 so it's not really full airgapped device anymore, even if you can currently only use USB connection for updating firmware.

EDIT:  I'm a dummy.  I thought you meant sign a transaction, not a message because I missed your previous comment higher up.  To sign a message, try again with Electrum.  Their UI is clunky, but I'm 99% sure you can sign a message in Electrum even using an airgapped device, but figuring out how is buried in the UI.

Here's my original comment.


Sure it can.  It works with airgapped wallets.  I think the trick is to set up a Watch Only Wallet.  In order to spend from a Watch Only Wallet, you'll use QR codes to communicate with your airgapped device.

The setup definitely could be more intuitive, but Sparrow seems like a really good choice.  I like BlueWallet because it's more intuitive, but I might switch to Sparrow at some point.

Here's the info on Sparrow's website (https://support.airgap.it/guides/sparrow/) (I did a quick search).

But if you don't use the USB cable it's still airgapped. It just can be made not to be airgapped.
Same as if I take my airgapped laptop, boot into the BIOS enable the network card and then plug in a Cat-5 cable.

Up until that moment it WAS airgapped.

Splitting hairs I know, and it's best to make sure people can't do something stupid (because they will) but probably not that big a deal with all the other issues out there.

-Dave

That would be the same thing as saying that laptop is still airgapped even if it has wifi card installed but you are not going to use it, someone else could still use it.
It's really simple, if there is an option to use a cable connection - most people will use it, so effectively they will made it not airgapped.
Keystone devs only did this change because lazy customers complained how slow it is to update firmware  ::)

To those who might be interested in getting the Pro version, there's a "Black Friday sale ^{[up to 37% off]} (https://twitter.com/KeystoneWallet/status/1722826483151122628)" and although their tweet has December 11 as its end date, on their "shop (https://keyst.one/shop/products/keystone-3pro)" it's showing it'll end in 2 days ^{[perhaps they're planning to reduce its percentage every few days]}.

To be honest, I had been wondering if I could buy a Keystone hardware wallet for myself. When I started researching them, I found their firmware was still closed source, even though they claimed it was an open-source hardware wallet. Actually, their hardware wallet design caught my attention. I really like it, specifically their biometric authentication system. Their display looks really good if you compare it with any other hardware wallet. But the closed-source firmware broke my hope, and I ordered a Trezor after considering many things. Because I have to make sure security is provided for my funds. Anyway, each individual's needs are different, so some others would be interested in their wallet.

Nice discount from Keystone, but maybe it's not a bad idea to wait for few more weeks to see what other hardware wallet manufacturers are offering.
Black Friday this year is on November 24 and discounts will probably continue until Cyber Monday.

When I read the release notes for Sparrow 1.8.0 stating that it allows signing messages via QR code I was happy to have a solution, but when I try my Keystone just says "Invalid QR Code".

Haven't figured out how to sign via QR code on Electrum. It worked with my BitBox but I wanted an airgapped solution.
Any ideas?

If you have the older version of the wallet you can get a 40% (50% if you ordered your Gen 2 after June 1st) discount on a Gen3
https://guide.keyst.one/docs/special-discounts
It's a bit better then the Black Friday deal they have going at the moment, no idea if Cyber Monday will be better or not.

-Dave

Which well-known software wallet for Bitcoin is better to use Keystone 3 Pro for UTXO control?
Does Keystone Pro differ from Keystone 3 only in that it has a removable battery? If the 2032 battery runs out, does the physical tamper protection not work?

I like to use Sparrow (https://sparrowwallet.com/) with the Foundation Passport wallets; it should support all Keystone wallets, too.

Sparrow for desktop and BlueWallet for mobile devices, this should work fine with Keystone3 for Bitcoin:
https://keyst.one/supported-wallets-and-assets

There is no removable battery option in any Keystone 3 model, but I am sure battery won't run out for years.
Keystone 3 only is not available, and Pro version is now on 25% discount ^{(price is $97)}, so it doesn't make sense to wait for regular Keystone 3.

As previously mentioned by @dkbit98, neither of them comes with a removable battery, but here are a couple of differences between the two:

• One less secure element ^{[or rather an MCU]} chip on the Keystone 3 ^{[2 vs 3 on the Pro version]}.
• No biometric authentication feature on the Keystone 3.

_{Source (https://blog.keyst.one/keystone-3-the-ultimate-protector-of-your-digital-assets-122144288fad)}

Since we now have maxirosson on the forum and active in the hardware wallet sub, you can also do your comparisons using his site. He created 49 Hardware Wallets, compared feature by feature (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5416497.0). The Bitcoin Hole has information on dozens of hardware wallets, both current and depreciated models. There is also a software wallet comparison on his page where you can check the features of Sparrow vs Blue Wallet and several other software wallets.

Thanks for the advice. I paid $160 to a trusted seller in Russia, but I will receive this wallet in a few days.
I have a ledger, and I liked that the wallet has a code verification that it is an original product.
https://sunscrypt.ru/catalog/keystone/keystone-3-pro/

Sunscrypt is an official reseller of Keystone hardware wallets and I assume it's the same for many other HW brands, as there are a lot of them in the catalogue. But damn, they are quite expensive, considering the device is currently available for less than $97 + free shipping to many locations. The HW costs almost 15,000 RUB (over $160). I guess you didn't have much of a choice because the official shop doesn't ship to Russia. One alternative could have been having it delivered to a friend or family somewhere in the EU and then have them bring it/ship it to you later on.   

Yeah, $160 is the hell of price for Keystone 3. For Russian people the better and at the same time more affordable opt would be to spend $ 74.90 for AirGap Knox  (https://airgap.it/airgap-knox/), download free  AirGap Vault&AirGap Wallet and turn their Android +10 smartphone into airgapped  device with the security which at least is not worse than security held out promises by Keystone 3 HW.

In Russia you can buy this wallet cheaper, but I don’t want to risk it for 30-40 dollars. The owner of the sunscrypt store is known in Russia as a good cryptocurrency security specialist.

I want to buy security, not just a wallet. I think this is a small price to pay for a product that works out of the box.

Good call. It's not worth it. If you can't get it from the official shop, at least buy one from a member of their resellers network. Anything other than that is just adding additional risk and increasing the possibility that someone manipulated the wallet somewhere along the supply chain.

On a different note, is there currently any hardware wallet brand that delivers to Russia directly from their official online shop that you know of?   

The keystone 3 pro wallet has many degrees of protection, even after using the original wallet.
Will this authorization before use protect the buyer from counterfeiting?
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/12/25/I3P9j.jpeg (https://www.talkimg.com/image/I3P9j)

Russia has its own hardware wallets that you can assemble yourself.

"E4pizor is a hardware wallet assembled by the e4pool.com crypto team, which is a complete analogue of the original Trezor One wallet, which initially has open source firmware distributed along with layouts of printed circuit boards, cases, etc. by the company itself, the creator of the Trezor wallet - SatoshiLabs under free licenses."
https://e4pizor.com/

cost 40 dollars :)

Correct.
It should be noted that few days ago they released new version of firmware 1.2.4 with open-source code verification of firmware.
However, I didn't see any confirmation for this on WalletScrutiny website so far, but their code was audited by Slowmist (https://github.com/slowmist/Knowledge-Base/blob/master/open-report-V2/blockchain-application/SlowMist%20Audit%20Report%20-%20Keystone3_en-us.pdf).
 few weeks ago
https://github.com/KeystoneHQ/keystone3-firmware/releases

Firmware Checksum Verification can easily be done:
https://guide.keyst.one/docs/firmware-checksum

And they posted Comprehensive Guide to Building and Verifying Keystone3 Firmware:
https://github.com/KeystoneHQ/keystone3-firmware/blob/release/v1.2.4/docs/verify.md

I see they are sponsored by Tezos and bunch of other shitcoin companies.
Doesn't look good to me, and android phones can never be safe enough, unless you physically remove antennas and modes.

First time I see this, but I saw many other trezor one clones.
You can easily make your own Seedsigner and Krux wallets.
They are one of the best available DIY airgapped devices available right now.

It's also possible to purchase a fully assembled Seedsigner for $80, unless the price changed recently. It's a great price for a Bitcoin signing device. The only issue for those who want an assembled unit is that they are shipped from the US. That would add quite a lot on the final price.

Not sure what to think of the Seedsigner to be honest. Its creator is an ex-US government employee. He worked in the computer forensics department.

I think the Seedsigner should still be considered as experimental software and hardware. It's created by a small team of enthusiasts.

This is a small startup from Russia, and they do not have the resources to issue many wallets for Russian clients. There are no new wallets for sale yet. But Trezor One supports few coins.
But now you can buy good multi-currency wallets for 100 dollars, so such startups will be little known.

I think it supports plenty of what deserves to be supported. There is a lot of garbage that lacks support. It's too bad that you can't use Monero on the Trezor One model. If it wasn't for the hardware limitations, the team would have added it. I think it's a problem of too little RAM.

Solana, Polkadot, Toncoin are not available. But this is not such a problem as Tron support.
https://trezor.io/coins
Their blog talks about ten years of experience, but they cannot solve problems with memory, which is now inexpensive. If you compare the expensive Trezor T with the Keystone 3 Pro, then I don’t understand why the Trezor T costs $180.

I would not claim to know the answer to your questions about cost differentiation, yet so far Trezor has been able to charge premium prices.

Trezor T  does have a higher rating of 4.3 as compared with Keystone's 3.4 here:  https://www.athena-alpha.com/crypto-wallets/ and you can look at methodology here. https://www.athena-alpha.com/crypto-wallets/rating-methodology/

You can compare features here:
https://thebitcoinhole.com/hardware-wallets
(filter by name and just look at those two wallets side by side - and maybe include any other HW that you want to compare the features side by side)

Same like bitcoin... still experimental.
Hardware is far from experimental, it's battle tested well known Rasoberry Pi Zero that is used.

You can't expect them to run all shitcoin nodes out there.
I think new Trezor 3 Safe added support for solana, but I prefer using bitcoin only firmware.

I would not blindly trust any ratings, but I did heard that Keystone wallet have very bad customer support, I think this is typical for most products based in China.

Yes.. Athena provides their methodology - and that is part of the reason that I included that link, so that anyone could see how they say that they reach their numbers, whether you agree with their methodology or their criteria or their rating or not.

@safar1980
Yeah, not having Tron is a big drawback, especially for those who are dealing with stablecoins like tether, which is very popular on the Tron network.

The Trezor T has always been too expensive, even now on a discount. But Keystone isn't open-source and they couldn't prove that they are. To many, that's a deal breaker. The Keystone, though, has a much better display.

You provided good links.
But the rating of this site is not authoritative for me, because Keystone 3 pro and Nano X have the same ratings, although there have been many rumors that the ledger can steal users’ private keys and has the ability to transfer seed phrases to cloud storage.
For Keystone 3 pro, the team promised to make it possible to decode QR codes in the old version of the wallet, so that the user would be confident in the safety of his keys.

@safar1980
Ledger being close-sourced means that no one has any idea about what the company can or can't do. But it's the same thing with Keystone. Their promises of doing this or that is the same as Ledger promising to make more of their software open-source without anything actually happening.

The Ledger wallet connects to the computer via cable or Bluetooth, and we do not know what data the wallet transmits.
At Keystone, we can decode the QR code and see what data the wallet transmits. I read this in the chat of Vladimir Abovyan, who owns the sunscrypt store. He uses this wallet himself.

@safar1980
Nevertheless, it's still a closed-source product, and it relies on you trusting them not to do anything nasty.
The QR code is only one segment. You have no idea how safe their seed-generation system is, and no one does because there is no way to check it.

you are right, but in this wallet 2 security chips are responsible for generating the seed phrase.

I have a 15-25% discount coupon,which was in the box with the wallet, but I can't use it in my country. If you need it, write to me. I'll give the coupon to the first person to write.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/01/05/sPyVa.jpeg (https://www.talkimg.com/image/sPyVa)

Keystone added seed phrase generation to the wallet using dice.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/01/18/3iZ6I.jpeg (https://www.talkimg.com/image/3iZ6I)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qn9fR43yCE

For verification, you can use Open Source software to make sure that the wallet does not replace data.
https://iancoleman.io/bip39/

Keystone works with verified third-party wallets and we can decode QR codes.
With the new firmware, this wallet looks very secure, and if you additionally use a passphrase, this will be a very good method of protection.

You should only enter your seed on Ian Coleman's tool to test if the wallet generates the same addresses as what you are getting from the hardware device. Never enter your actual seed phrase into Ian Coleman, especially not on an internet-connected computer. The Ian Coleman tool should be used on an airgapped system. If you don't have that, never enter sensitive data into your browser. 

That was the last firmware update.
They have a new one that just came out today

https://keyst.one/firmware <-- Don't trust links verify for yourself.

Fixed / tweaked a few other things too.

-Dave

This is a very good thing coming from Keystone, especially since they finally recently released their open source code for Keystone 3.
I would suggest purchasing casino grade dices instead of regular ones, they are not that much expensive and they are ten times better.
Note that this dices can be used to generate seed words even without Keystone ;)

I am waiting to see Keystone new Bitcoin only hardware wallet that was announced to be released around bitcoin halving date, and I hope it's not the same as Keystone 3 with different firmware.
I want to see removable battery back, and maybe adding protection for screen with basic waterproofing.

No offense to Keystone, but from what we've seen from other manufacturers, it seems industry standard that the 'Bitcoin-only option' is the same hardware with a Bitcoin-only firmware.
Which is not bad and totally sufficient for me, especially if it's somehow technically locked to only run Bitcoin-only firmware. The idea is to prevent someone flashing the 'regular' firmware with bigger attack surface, even if just temporarily, and getting their valuable Bitcoin seed phrase stolen. I know that BitBox02 Bitcoin-only works like that.

But of course, as hardcore Bitcoin users we'd love to get something special. :P I just wouldn't hold my breath.

Older keystone devices had the option of choosing Bitcoin only firmware, but you could not return back and install multi-coin version again.
Trezor also has bitcoin only firmware but I think you can always flash it and install multi-coin firmware on same devices.

Not sure how bitbox firmware installation works but I know they have two different device versions.
As for Keystone, if I understood correctly they plan to release totally different device for Bitcoin halving, so both hardware and software will be different.
Let's wait and see... Bitcoin halving is in less than 90 days, so time is ticking away for Keystone.

Why does Keystone 3 only have Bitcoin firmware? My ledger is updated only through official software and the manufacturer knows what firmware I have and may be able to get my private keys. Keystone 3 has secure update via SD card.

Sorry, It seems that I misremembered; looks like BitBox02 'edition' cannot be switched, not even from Multi to Bitcoin-only (not even permanently).


Anyway; back to the topic.

This sounds exciting, I'll be looking forward to the news then!

BTW, today is the last day of their 20% discount for coming Keystone 3 Pro.


Ledger users who can prove their purchase  are even in favored  position as  they may enjoy lifelong  offer to pay for device 28% less than its ordinary price at the  time of purchase.

Also they promise to delete all shipping data after 180 days to prevent them from leaking.

AFAIK, despite their plans to bring it to the market in "September of last year (https://www.reddit.com/r/KeystoneWallet/comments/14sux5m/comment/jqzaw0z/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)", they still haven't released Keystone 3 and the Pro variant only comes with a "multi-coin firmware (https://keyst.one/firmware)".
^{- Am I missing something here?}

Keystone should rename and rebrand to Discount hardware wallet... they are offering reduced prices all the time ;)
Interesting for all ledger users who want to make a transition and buy keystone wallet they have lifetime 28% discount if they have prrof of purchased ledger!

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/01/30/kgwO1.jpeg

For everyone else Keystone is currently offering special 26% discount for their 6th anniversary, and price for Keystone 3 Pro is now around $95 with free shipping for most countries:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/01/30/kgZiJ.jpeg
https://keyst.one/

They are preparing release of Bitcoin only Keystone device around Bitcoin halving, that should be in few months probably.

Exactly, that's been their marketing strategy for as long as I can remember, and if they keep doing it, sooner or later it'd have a reverse effect on how people see their brand as a whole.

A cheeky move, but I love it :D

I'm wondering if that finally means it's the end of the road for the non-Pro variant ^{[they're already way behind schedule]}.

No I don't think so, but they should reduce the price of keystone regular version to around $80, similar like Trezor 3 Safe and ledger s plus.
Keystone Bitcoin only version device is just a special edition for halving event, I just hope they are going to add removable battery again in that model.
Maybe Trezor and other manufacturers will do something similar... I can't remember if they did special editions for previous halving(s).

Guys from Keystone released a new Roadmap page on their website, so we can see what they are working on.
They are accepting suggestions and that is always good, but we can see that full support for Taproot is finally coming in February with some other updates.
More important updates in Q1 2024 are support for formatting SD cards and XPUB export/display.
No words about Bitcoin only device like I was expecting  :P
https://keyst.one/roadmap

Keystone discounts are getting really silly... now they have 20% pet day sale  ::)

And today is 25 February, which means Lightning Pizza Day. In other words, it's another opportunity to create a special 20% discount on new sales. It is getting ridiculous, but I like that they are giving new customers so many opportunities to purchase their products at discounted prices. 

Let's not forget the lifelong 28% discount for Ledger users who decide to purchase a Keystone.

It’s funny (not for Ledger) that the Keystone team gives an excellent reason to get rid of ledger devices. An excellent blow to a competitor a marketing ploy (marketing department doesn't get its salary for nothing). Look, maybe this will become a new trend (giving discounts on HW products to former ledger customers). :) Many users on the forum voiced their desire to replace their Nano S / S+/ X with another one. Keystone provides this opportunity.

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/02/25/YgE5C.png (https://talkimg.com/image/YgE5C)

It should be added that to receive a discount, will need to provide proof of Ledger's purchase to support@keyst.one (they will provide a discount code).

You get to kill two birds with one stone (Keystone). You have an opportunity to onboard more users to your products and weaken the competition and have people abandon their devices at the same time. Ledger only have themselves to blame, of course. All this started after they announced Ledger Recover and made it available for the Nano X.

Totally stupid in my opinion... now they are offering ''Bull market return'' discount  ::)
Something is not really a discount if you are offering it all the time.... just sayin.

Another weird thing coming from Keystone is their weak quality control, and I noticed similar stuff like this several times.
Check out this video of Keystone device entering passphrase on it's own!
https://twitter.com/SaintelDaily/status/1757028148212793654

Tomorrow, we should have a discount because we are sad bitcoin didn't go above $65.000 yet.

Of course, not. They just want to sell more devices, no matter what. But yeah, it would look much better if they jut offered a discount code for the next week/month/custom period of their choice, instead of using a new one every day.

I have never seen that before. The guy says the device clicks on random areas on his screen no matter what he does on it, which hinders normal usage of the wallet.

Keystone just released a new beta version of Bitcoin-Only Firmware for Keystone 3 Pro wallet, with bitcoin main network and testnet.
Note that once you switch to bitcoin-only firmware it is going to be impossible to revert back to the multi-currency firmware.
Supported wallets are Blue wallet, Sparrow, Nunchuck and Specter wallet.

New firmware can be download from official website and code can be verified on Keystone github:
https://keyst.one/firmware?ft=btc-only
https://github.com/KeystoneHQ/keystone3-firmware/releases/tag/0.9.0-BTC

Also, keep in mind this firmware has more limited wallet support options.


It's not like their current multi coin firmware that has a lot more that you can use.

Not incredibly important, but I can see someone not reading down to see that line.

-Dave

I already mentioned those supported wallets above  ;)

This is more than Keystone bitcoin wallets supported in multi-coin firmware, now Nunchuk and Specter are added.
I hoped they would release different new device with removable battery before halving, but I don't think that is happening now.

Yup, I just (As in yesterday) have had the battery in my 3 die.

When it was dead yesterday I figured it just needed a charge. 2 chargers and 2 different USB cables 24 hours later it's still just as dead.

I can run it off a USB cable to power it, but the battery is stuck at 0% and will not charge :(

Can't anyone make anything that is not crap anymore.

-Dave

You are not the only one with this problem, I heard many complains from their customers that batteries in Keystone 3 are much worse quality than in older Keystone.
That can be a problem with many new Lithium batteries, if you don't use them all the time (charge/discharge) they quickly become unusable.
It's not complicated to buy new one, but problem is that it is hard to replace the battery without triggering Keystone self-destruct mechanism  :P

They can, but it would be much more expensive and not made in China.