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Title: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Maestro75 on September 02, 2023, 06:00:10 AM

This question has occured to me many times but whenever it happens I push it off my mind. But I want to ask now and get opinions of members on it. I do not know if this section is right place to post it. Please moderator move it if I posted it wrongly. My question is why do members move from one campaign to another? I will not mention names of some that I have seen move from campaign to campaign every time there is opening so no one feels am attacking him.

I know alot of us will say it is the difference in weekly reward, that the higher the reward the more people move to campaigns with better payments. But I have seen where members go from better pay rates to the ones with lower rates and lower posts requirements. Some apply to campaign of the same manager in less than a week of getting accepted and they want to move again, the same payment and number of posts. I have also seen those who have refused to move to campaigns with better rates, they will be picked if they applied because of their good posts. They choose to remain. Is it about loyalty? Is it that they are scared of switching? Is it about fulfilment with where they are?

And for those who move always, is it money driving the motive? Is it about going to where those they see as family move to? I want to know. Some days ago I was surprised to see someone who has stayed in a campaign for more than three years. He was with BestChange. Alot of people can not remain there because there are many campaigns paying higher rates than the campaign he was with but he remained until yesterday that he moved to another campaign. Three years is like a lifetime, both for the campaign running and the member who remained faithful to it.

What makes members move everytime? I need your contribution on this to make me understand it better.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: _act_ on September 02, 2023, 06:07:39 AM
People move from low paying campaign to high paying campaign because they were attracted to the money and if the campaign favour them and they know that can easily not violate the rules, they will move.

Some people do not join campaign because they are rich and see the campaign money to be too small.

Some people join low paying campaign and stayed there because they are afraid to move. I do not see it as loyalty but I think they are afraid if high the paying campaign can last like like the low paying campaign they are.

Some people prefer campaign manager because campaign manager favour and less strict to campaign partipants than another. You can see a campaign that people are leaving for a low one because the campaign manager of the high paying campaign is removing participants without notice.

Some people want to join high paying campaign but not selected.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: bitbollo on September 02, 2023, 06:11:28 AM
how it was answered correctly by @_act_ , this depends on an economic motivation or in general for personal advantage of participant (likewise, maybe a signature requires fewer messages to write or accepts posts from more sections or simply a certain service is about to close)...



Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: hosseinimr93 on September 02, 2023, 06:11:49 AM
I do not know if this section is right place to post it.
I think "Service Discussion" board is more appropriate for this topic.


My question is why do members move from one campaign to another? I
For some members, the pay rate is not the only factor that they consider when they want to apply for a signature campaign.
Users may prefer to participate in a signature campaign with lower pay rates, because they believe that the service that is advertised is more trustworthy than the others.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Adbitco on September 02, 2023, 06:58:32 AM
This could be as a result of unsatisfied pay rate just as the user said, and delay in payment..
Lets say some manager don't pay on time after week runs out, some participants wants after week runs before 8am in the morning they expect to see their balance changes in their wallet and not those manager that will delay till almost that day runs out before paying participants even when they hold funds with them.
If you look well is very discouraging at all points, so they chooses another campaign instead of remaining in their previous campaign.

But the disadvantage of switching campaign is that you might ended up joining a campaign that may not last longer than the previous campaign that is what most people do not considered at all but all only considering the huge amount being paid at the moment, while some people feels like experience new environment of another code.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Majestic-milf on September 02, 2023, 07:12:20 AM
 To add to what @Adbitco has said, some leave or are enticed into another campaign by the bonuses offered and the required number of posts also makes them reconsider. It's true about some users leaving a campaign due to delay in payments by the campaign managers because since payments are made in BTC, it's price may be high at the moment, but when they may receive payment, it would have dropped and this discourages a lot.
People leave or stay in campaigns due to personal reasons but it's better to remain in a particular sig than moving about because it may look like the user is unstable.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Fiatless on September 02, 2023, 08:01:29 AM
This question has occured to me many times but
What makes members move everytime? I need your contribution on this to make me understand it better.
Higher pay: When a campaign comes up with a higher pay rate members prefer to move to such a campaign for more money.

Change of campaign rule: When the rules of the campaign change, it might not suit some members. Some campaigns can decide to remove or add some boards to their campaign posts which some members might not be comfortable with

Longevity of the campaign: Some members might decide to leave a high-paying campaign to a lesser one because they believe that the low-paying one will last longer. Some members cherish longtime campaigns rather than high-paying ones.

Change in ideology: Change is what is constant in life, a member might have changed his ideology or perception about a service. I have seen some persons who feel gambling is immoral but later change their thinking because they gained more knowledge.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on September 02, 2023, 08:14:05 AM
I will add some points: not all signature companies have the opportunity to receive paid posts in local sections. Maybe for some people, this is what matters. In addition, recently, one has observed how the bonus system used by managers gives a good increase. Perhaps one manager does not see the potential of the participant and does not pay him bonuses, at a time when the person himself is very ambitious and is sure that he deserves more.
In any case, why are you worried about this? Why think about it?
The economics section is not at all suitable for discussing the signatures of companies. Move the topic, as advised by hosseinimr93, to the "Service Discussion" board.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Rikafip on September 02, 2023, 08:29:13 AM
First of all, I suggest you to move this topic to "Services Discussion" (you can find "move topic" button on the bottom left of your screen)


Some apply to campaign of the same manager in less than a week of getting accepted and they want to move again, the same payment and number of posts.
Campaign can have more relaxed rules, like posts in local boards count or they don't have to write certain amount of posts in specific board (gambling campaigns usually have this rule).


What makes members move everytime? I need your contribution on this to make me understand it better.
Everyone has its own reasons why they change campaigns, with increase in pay rate being the most common and popular one, followed by how relaxed signature campaign rules are as more relaxed rules usually equals to more natual posting.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Fuso.hp on September 02, 2023, 09:03:39 AM
When a user feels that another campaign will pay him more money than the campaign he is signing, that user leaves the current signature campaign and participates in another signature campaign. Some members try to move to long-term campaigns, that is, a class of members try to move to campaigns that are likely to last for a relatively long time, because there are many competitors in the forum at the moment, so if you miss a campaign, you will be able to participate in another campaign later the user has to struggle a lot. Basically, by thinking about these things, users change their current signature and participate in a different signature campaign.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: dansus021 on September 02, 2023, 09:11:01 AM
Higher Reward is the only key  :P Especially if you are a high-rank Member and I do believe this is only the reason why members keep switching from one campaign to another or there is another reason is helping the project or friend but this is small chance of happening to Bitcointalk

I wish I could do that But Low Rank and low merit like me is no way to keep switching between campaigns. If you are a high member and have high merit at least get recognized by the other high member have trust list in DT1 or DT2 you can easily move one to another for a high reward of course I could see 1 person can easily get 6$ post or more in one campaign


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Plaguedeath on September 02, 2023, 09:27:31 AM
@OP how old are you? have you get a job? you can easily answer this if you already work under someone, it's either your job desk are boring, get paid less, high pressure, toxic working place, toxic boss, too far from your home, etc etc.

Signature campaign on the other hand also consist of many factors and if someone feel there's a better option, they will choose to switch other campaign. This is really personal and there are many reasons from it.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Russlenat on September 02, 2023, 09:29:13 AM
From my observation and some personal experience, participants move from one campaign to another because of higher number required weekly post and yet the compensation is low, while some campaign requires only few post per week but the payout rate is certainly high. So members will definitely chose those that are convenient for them. Also, having some delayed payments is a red flag. Although I can’t blame the campaign manager of course, but it would be more convenient and satisfying for the members if they can receive their payout earlier or right on time.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on September 02, 2023, 09:29:30 AM
I have also seen those who have refused to move to campaigns with better rates, they will be picked if they applied because of their good posts. They choose to remain. Is it about loyalty? Is it that they are scared of switching? Is it about fulfilment with where they are?
You probably didn't have me in mind when writing the above, but I related to that particular situation more so than the others.  Personally, I'm not on this forum to make money and I don't like switching campaigns frequently because I don't want to burn bridges; when you leave a campaign, the manager then has a slot to fill and it's more work for him.  So although in the past I probably could have gotten into higher-paying campaigns, I chose to stay where I was for the reason I gave (and I don't want to get the reputation of being a campaign-hopper).

Everyone is different, though, and if you think about it, it's a good thing people are jumping to campaigns that pay more.  That in theory should drive up pay rates across the board, because if you're renting signature space, to get good posters you need to pay a competitive rate....just like in the real world, you know?

This forum is basically about money and if people are honest most of them would identify as capitalists.  And what do capitalists do in the labor market?  They go where the money is.  It's not that tough to figure out.

This could be as a result of unsatisfied pay rate just as the user said, and delay in payment..
Lets say some manager don't pay on time after week runs out, some participants wants after week runs before 8am in the morning they expect to see their balance changes in their wallet and not those manager that will delay till almost that day runs out before paying participants even when they hold funds with them.
Yes!  I don't want to name names, but I've had an experience like that and it was annoying as hell (but it was years ago).  Imagine if you were working a real job in the real world and for some arbitrary reason your paycheck didn't show up on time, maybe a day late.  That would cause chaos in a real workplace.  There's a lot of flexibility with sig campaigns and a lot of leeway given to campaign managers, but they should still try their best to be consistent with the payouts, i.e., everything correct and payments made to participants on time.

Oh, I think this thread ought to go in Meta or Service Discussion.  It's an interesting topic to me, OP.  Even the idea of sig campaigns has fascinated me ever since I figured out what they were (and that took months for my pea brain to compute).


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Nheer on September 02, 2023, 09:47:24 AM
This question has occured to me many times but
What makes members move everytime? I need your contribution on this to make me understand it better.
It depends on every individual’s perception, we may have different view of signature campaign and what may drive me to change from one campaign to another will be different from yours but I believe most people are influenced by the pay rates just as _act_ have mentioned. When ever a new campaign with higher pay rates is launched a lot of people will leave their campaign just to join that campaign but not everyone is joining because of the high pay rate.


Change of campaign rule: When the rules of the campaign change, it might not suit some members. Some campaigns can decide to remove or add some boards to their campaign posts which some members might not be comfortable with
This is also one of the major reason why some people change campaigns, the post requirement for some campaign may be too much for some members to cope, they may be too occupied to have enough time to carry out the required number of post and so they will be seeking to join campaign with lower post quota. There are also people who are not convenient to post in some boards like how some campaigns demand for 10 gambling posts for the week and when they don’t have much knowledge about gambling discussions they will seek for campaigns that doesn’t make it mandatory to make gambling posts.


Longevity of the campaign: Some members might decide to leave a high-paying campaign to a lesser one because they believe that the low-paying one will last longer. Some members cherish longtime campaigns rather than high-paying ones.
This is another aspect that individuals take into account while switching from one campaign to another. Some people choose long-running campaigns because they believe they are more secure in the long run. We've observed some high-rate efforts that didn't survive as long as anticipated, yet their members kept switching to the campaigns that paid less.

The reputation of the campaign manager and how strictly the manager runs the campaign are other reasons why people switch to other campaigns. People will rather participate in a campaign where they will feel secure and have peace of mind.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: SmartCharpa on September 02, 2023, 11:42:11 AM

This question has occured to me many times but whenever it happens I push it off my mind. But I want to ask now and get opinions of members on it. I do not know if this section is right place to post it. Please moderator move it if I posted it wrongly. My question is why do members move from one campaign to another? I will not mention names of some that I have seen move from campaign to campaign every time there is opening so no one feels am attacking him.

I know alot of us will say it is the difference in weekly reward, that the higher the reward the more people move to campaigns with better payments. But I have seen where members go from better pay rates to the ones with lower rates and lower posts requirements. Some apply to campaign of the same manager in less than a week of getting accepted and they want to move again, the same payment and number of posts. I have also seen those who have refused to move to campaigns with better rates, they will be picked if they applied because of their good posts. They choose to remain. Is it about loyalty? Is it that they are scared of switching? Is it about fulfilment with where they are?

And for those who move always, is it money driving the motive? Is it about going to where those they see as family move to? I want to know. Some days ago I was surprised to see someone who has stayed in a campaign for more than three years. He was with BestChange. Alot of people can not remain there because there are many campaigns paying higher rates than the campaign he was with but he remained until yesterday that he moved to another campaign. Three years is like a lifetime, both for the campaign running and the member who remained faithful to it.

What makes members move everytime? I need your contribution on this to make me understand it better.

If you look at it now, our problems are not equal in this forum, we face different challenges most of the people they depend on this campaign the money they are earning to even use it and feed their families, take care of themselves, which you see a campaign to pay you, example double of what you earn, most people don't do that because they see where their family or friends moved to, in my opinion most are doing that because of the high rate most campaigns are giving. I bet you the person you claimed to know who remained in campaign for three years didn't have the same issue with people who move from one campaign to another. Nothing is beyond the power of money.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: icalical on September 02, 2023, 12:04:06 PM
I haven't joined many campaigns, previously most of campaigns is Casino and Gambling and they required active posters on the Gambling section and I don't do that, only recently that there are Many Bitcoin mixer campaigns so that I started to join a campaign. I think how much they earn is not the main reason people moving to another campaign, I mean as long as it's not too low compared to other campaign they will not consider it as a problem, they will move to another if it's more suitable to their posting habit, like the in what section they should/shouldn't post, or how much post they need to make.

I myself,  just moved to a new campaign because I just rank up.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: libert19 on September 02, 2023, 12:51:15 PM
Some days ago I was surprised to see someone who has stayed in a campaign for more than three years. He was with BestChange. Alot of people can not remain there because there are many campaigns paying higher rates than the campaign he was with but he remained until yesterday that he moved to another campaign. Three years is like a lifetime, both for the campaign running and the member who remained faithful to it.
There was this altcoin campaign named Gold Storage I was with for more than 3 years, because it offered decent pay and post quality/quantity were within my limits. I never felt overwhelmed. Since I'm out of it, I've been hopping from one campaign to another.

Alt campaigns found in 'Bounties' board are trash while in services board most of are gambling related, which is not my subject. Although, I may still participate in gambling bounties because I got nothing better but if I'm going to see what suits me, I'm gonna switch right away.

I wish I could do that But Low Rank and low merit like me is no way to keep switching between campaigns. If you are a high member and have high merit at least get recognized by the other high member have trust list in DT1 or DT2 you can easily move one to another for a high reward of course I could see 1 person can easily get 6$ post or more in one campaign
Low merit understandable but Hero rank ain't low rank. Some sign campaigns pay same to both leggy and hero members. One example being Zenland which you are wearing.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Lucius on September 02, 2023, 01:01:05 PM
My question is why do members move from one campaign to another?

It's the same as asking why people change jobs, or why they go to different restaurants or shops - everyone has their own preferences that make them choose what to promote at a certain moment.

But I have seen where members go from better pay rates to the ones with lower rates and lower posts requirements.

For some, it's not all about pay rates, but also about what they promote, and if the differences in pay rates are very small, then it makes sense to choose a campaign that is less demanding, regardless of whether that campaign pays less.

Three years is like a lifetime, both for the campaign running and the member who remained faithful to it.

I was also in one campaign for more than three years and I don't see anything strange about it - you have excellent conditions, an excellent campaign manager and you are promoting something that you think has benefits for the community.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Razmirraz on September 02, 2023, 01:30:20 PM
1. The reason is because of money.
Those who jump from one campaign to another because of payment factors, when a slot is opened with a higher salary offer, they will immediately apply in the hope of being accepted.

2. Factor in the number of posts and rules in posting.
The weekly quota amount is also a consideration for them, they will immediately apply when there is a vacancy according to their account rank in another campaign which requires a weekly posting quota of less than the currently promoted campaign. Apart from that, posting rules such as posting on boards were excluded in the old campaign but counted in the new campaign. This is also a consideration for those who like to move campaigns.

3. Campaign duration factor.
It is undeniable that the convenience factor is a big consideration for Campaign participants, those who have been accepted into a campaign that has been running for a long time will remain loyal to that campaign. Their loyalty to the Campaign is not only because of the amount of payment, but they want to be guaranteed to continue being in the Campaign for the long term.

4. The factor of wanting to find a new atmosphere in a different campaign.
It might seem strange when suddenly participants who stay for a long time in one campaign suddenly move to another campaign. This is not due to a lack of loyalty to the old campaign, maybe there is something you want to look for in another campaign or you want to find a new atmosphere in the new campaign. imo


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: SmartGold01 on September 02, 2023, 01:48:18 PM
@OP how old are you? have you get a job? you can easily answer this if you already work under someone, it's either your job desk are boring, get paid less, high pressure, toxic working place, toxic boss, too far from your home, etc etc.

Signature campaign on the other hand also consist of many factors and if someone feel there's a better option, they will choose to switch other campaign. This is really personal and there are many reasons from it.

I think you are taking it too personal or into heart as I believe op just wanted to see the different version of answer from people here. From my point of view I don't see switching of campaign to be something very bad or seen as a sin since everyone control their account and no one has power to control each an everyone account, so it's to people leaving campaign to join other campaign they feels more comfortable with.
I wouldn't like to go further as I believe a lot key points has been presented already so is of op's option to read them all to know the different reasons why people do switch from campaign to another.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: hugeblack on September 02, 2023, 01:49:22 PM
I can answer you as I’m the member who moved after 3 years, personally I still feel grateful to BESTCHANGE and I created an alternative account to promote them for free (as an expression of my gratitude( but over time you want to go on a new deal and that's what I did.

As for the reason that I did not do that before, it is because most of the campaigns during 2020 to 2023 were gambling campaigns, casinos, or loans, and these three things I do not like, and I have almost 0% posts in the gambling section during the 6 years I spent here.

In 2020, I was in a CHIPMIXER campaign, and from there I moved to BESTCHANGE, and perhaps after the disappearance of CHIPMIXER, more mixers campaigns appeared, so I moved.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: palle11 on September 02, 2023, 02:02:41 PM
I won't see anything wrong if a participant leaves a campaign whose manager is very strict in certain circumstances and would deny you post that will make up your weekly quota and won't pay you half for the week or refer you to make extra one more post for the new week. This usually happens in campaign that has stated amount of posts that must be made for weekly payment, so if a participant sees a campaign where the post has both minimum and maximum or pay as you post then they might move. However, some users move to different campaigns that has the same characteristics, payment and same manager within a week or two even if for slightest payment difference. I think the major reason is payment and not totally comfort for more than 50% of users doing that.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: macson on September 02, 2023, 02:03:31 PM
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What makes members move everytime? I need your contribution on this to make me understand it better.
Higher pay is of course the main reason for members who switch to signing campaigns, besides project uncertainty, convenience with the rules set by the manager are some of the other reasons for members switching to signing campaigns.
i pay enough attention to members who often move, there are members who have not received a single campaign until now for several reasons and maybe the manager marked their account and put their account on the blacklist.  Apart from that, i'm sure you've got the answer to your question.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: KingsDen on September 02, 2023, 02:34:47 PM
I can answer you as I’m the member who moved after 3 years, personally I still feel grateful to BESTCHANGE and I created an alternative account to promote them for free (as an expression of my gratitude( but over time you want to go on a new deal and that's what I did.

I do not think that this post is formed because of you because you are one of the most loyal campaign promoters in the forum. 3years is not 3 months and on leaving Best_Change you created an account that will continue to promote Best_Change. Although, I doubt how fast you can grow the account, but your loyalty is proven.

As for the reason that I did not do that before, it is because most of the campaigns during 2020 to 2023 were gambling campaigns, casinos, or loans, and these three things I do not like, and I have almost 0% posts in the gambling section during the 6 years I spent here.

In 2020, I was in a CHIPMIXER campaign, and from there I moved to BESTCHANGE, and perhaps after the disappearance of CHIPMIXER, more mixers campaigns appeared, so I moved.

I haven't seen of recent where people promote projects according to their belief. Before now some person's will not promote gambling companies no matter how much they pay. These days, there are a few of such people, as people are willing to promote any project for money.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Distinctin on September 02, 2023, 03:03:57 PM
This could be as a result of unsatisfied pay rate just as the user said, and delay in payment..
Lets say some manager don't pay on time after week runs out, some participants wants after week runs before 8am in the morning they expect to see their balance changes in their wallet and not those manager that will delay till almost that day runs out before paying participants even when they hold funds with them.
If you look well is very discouraging at all points, so they chooses another campaign instead of remaining in their previous campaign.

But the disadvantage of switching campaign is that you might ended up joining a campaign that may not last longer than the previous campaign that is what most people do not considered at all but all only considering the huge amount being paid at the moment, while some people feels like experience new environment of another code.
You are right there. Switching campaign may also lead you to not profiting at all. Instead of participating to a new campaign because the rate is high and the minimum requirement is low, you could have end up in a short span duration campaign and make you jobless in the end. That’s the reason why I don’t easily switch campaign, as I don’t want to lose the opportunity of being a member of a reliable campaign and a reputable campaign manager that is always punctual in updating the spreadsheet and sending weekly payment.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: LogitechMouse on September 02, 2023, 03:07:46 PM
Pay rate, longevity.

Pay rate - I think for most of the people who are into Bitcoin-paid signature campaign, they know this already, and I also believe that this is one of the main reasons as to why people are moving from one campaign to another. I remember the time where whenever Chipmixer has an open spot, I see 5 or more pages of users who are applying for it (including me), and most of them are into Bitcoin-paid signature campaign.

Longevity - Most of the Bitcoin-paid signature campaigns that I ever joined has been there for a very long time with exception to Rollbit where I started joining since it's launch, and luckily it's still running 3 years I think after it first started. I remember Yolodice has been running for years already before I joined. Same with Stake.com, and now Bestchange. I always consider the longevity of the campaign. Yes there might be some campaigns out there who are paying higher to their participants, but the question is, is that sustainable? That's the first thing that comes out to my mind, and I will decide base on that.

There might be some here who has other factors as to why they're switching campaigns, but I don't want to overcomplicate things, because that will just make me stressful.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: tjtonmoy on September 02, 2023, 03:11:27 PM
I don't know about others but let me share my own thoughts on this. I have been in the Sinbad signature campaign for a long time now. I have worked in other signature campaigns but those were not that long enough and had limited payment for a limited period of time. But this one that I am in now, has been here for a long time. And getting into a new signature campaign is quite tough. I don't consider myself the best. I am pretty much average when it comes to writing. So the competition is real. And I am in a campaign because of obviously the payment. But I may not get accepted in another campaign and my work may not suit other campaign managers.

Also, there are some different requirements for posts in different campaigns. One may require fewer posts and pay the same, but they require to post in a certain section in which I am not able to give out good posts. So there's a chance that I may end up kicked out from that campaign. And I have been working on this campaign for a long time. I know how things work in this and how the campaign manager would react to certain things. For this reason, I won't move to something new even if it's paying more. I have created a routine for my work and it fits my daily life. Others may not fit the way this does.

So that's how I feel about this.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: ololajulo on September 02, 2023, 03:16:09 PM
Many factors support the decision to switch campaigns, a practice previously avoided due to the loss of rewards. Nowadays, few campaigns are considered credible, so any offering both credibility and better rewards are eagerly embraced.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: AbuBhakar on September 02, 2023, 03:17:35 PM
I believe the reason is too obvious that user preferred a better pay grade or a much simpler rules that give them freedom to post on the boards that they want. Campaign participants will not join on any signature campaign if they have enough money from their salary or investments just like what the OG user on Wall Observer thread that have enough credentials to join any campaign that they like but decided to avoid any commitments by posting just to be paid.

Campaign managers doesn’t have any rules about this so user find it normal to chase for a better pay grade over the duration of the campaign since they can join back again whenever they like especially those user that is high merit count.



Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: reagansimms on September 02, 2023, 03:27:00 PM
I myself,  just moved to a new campaign because I just rank up.
One of the most realistic reasons in my opinion. Move to another campaign because you have ranked up to get higher pay. There are also several other reasons for members moving to a new campaign, initially they want the signature space to be filled regardless of which campaign, after that they will consider moving to another campaign when the opportunity arises.
Kebiasaan memposting juga menjadi bahan pertimbangan, aturan Campaign yang berbeda membuat sebagian pesertanya ingin bergabung karena lebih mudah mencapai kuota mingguan yang ditentukan di Campaign. The real reason is of course very different according to each individual, for me apart from the factor of the weekly salary, the campaign duration is also a consideration.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Adbitco on September 02, 2023, 03:47:12 PM
This could be as a result of unsatisfied pay rate just as the user said, and delay in payment..
Lets say some manager don't pay on time after week runs out, some participants wants after week runs before 8am in the morning they expect to see their balance changes in their wallet and not those manager that will delay till almost that day runs out before paying participants even when they hold funds with them.
If you look well is very discouraging at all points, so they chooses another campaign instead of remaining in their previous campaign.

But the disadvantage of switching campaign is that you might ended up joining a campaign that may not last longer than the previous campaign that is what most people do not considered at all but all only considering the huge amount being paid at the moment, while some people feels like experience new environment of another code.
You are right there. Switching campaign may also lead you to not profiting at all. Instead of participating to a new campaign because the rate is high and the minimum requirement is low, you could have end up in a short span duration campaign and make you jobless in the end. That’s the reason why I don’t easily switch campaign, as I don’t want to lose the opportunity of being a member of a reliable campaign and a reputable campaign manager that is always punctual in updating the spreadsheet and sending weekly payment.

Mostly I can term it to be laziness, some people are not that energetic to work and even as that we shouldn't make posting to look very stressful or something too difficulty to do. When you post to make contribution to forum you find it less difficulty to move from one campaign to another without thinking about the stress or energy to put in making post.

Reasons because some posters do love a campaign that requires local board post at this point it became more easier to complete their weekly quota but, whenever you sees those that posts without having to look at the load or on post count you would understand that this people are naturally posting even though they are paid or not they still keep posting, typical example to know those that post only paid post are the people who gives exact number of post per week..

But those who are freely posting do not minds how much post they had given to the campaign, which I sense it to be a sign of laziness. Although some could be they are extremely occupied with other activities or busy at their working place just trying to add sig as an extra side hustle.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: uneng on September 02, 2023, 04:43:52 PM
I have also seen those who have refused to move to campaigns with better rates, they will be picked if they applied because of their good posts. They choose to remain. Is it about loyalty? Is it that they are scared of switching? Is it about fulfilment with where they are?
Each member will have their reasons to change or not change from one campaign to another. Personally, I like the idea of being loyal to a campaign, since they have been being loyal to me as an employer, week after week, for years already, without failing in anyways. I could try swaping to another campaign for superior financial purposes as soon as they open a spot, like many members have already done, but why to seek for a change if the currently situation I find myself in is fine? I think that would be a greedy move from my side, which could end very badly after all, since I would be exchanging a long lasting, solid and loyal campaign for a brand new one which can last for few weeks or one month...


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Sanitough on September 02, 2023, 04:56:20 PM
I believe the reason is too obvious that user preferred a better pay grade or a much simpler rules that give them freedom to post on the boards that they want. Campaign participants will not join on any signature campaign if they have enough money from their salary or investments just like what the OG user on Wall Observer thread that have enough credentials to join any campaign that they like but decided to avoid any commitments by posting just to be paid.

Campaign managers doesn’t have any rules about this so user find it normal to chase for a better pay grade over the duration of the campaign since they can join back again whenever they like especially those user that is high merit count.


  Mostly, it's because of money and convenience. Members do not want to do stay longer in a campaign if they are not comfortable working on it, especially if there are delayed payments most of the time. Joining a signature campaign is like working on your job, you cannot sustain working on it for a longer time if you are not receiving high salary rate, nor enjoying the environment of the campaign. Once members stick on a campaign for 3 years or more, most likely the campaign itself is very productive along with its very responsible and reputable campaign manager.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: m2017 on September 02, 2023, 05:02:48 PM
I assume that the main incentive for a signature campaign switch is money, no matter how trite it may sound. In my opinion, most of the forum members change signature campaigns because of this. Perhaps some of them don't satisfy the conditions and requirements. I can only speculate, because I myself don't belong to those forum participants that you are talking about and for quite a long time I continue to remain in the ranks of the same signature campaign. Loyalty, in my opinion, also has an impact when choosing a signature campaign. At least in my case, as well as stability. Personally, I'm too lazy to move from one campaign to another every week, even despite the higher payment. I doubt that my post allowed you to get an answer to your question, but maybe it will help to understand the incomprehensible soul of a signature campaign participant. :)

P.S. I know which signature campaigner with 3 years of experience you are talking about. For me, this was also a big surprise.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: hg_away on September 02, 2023, 05:03:53 PM
I do not think that this post is formed because of you because you are one of the most loyal campaign promoters in the forum.

He mentioned it here
He was with BestChange. Alot of people can not remain there because there are many campaigns paying higher rates than the campaign he was with but he remained until yesterday that he moved to another campaign. Three years is like a lifetime, both for the campaign running and the member who remained faithful to it.


 Although, I doubt how fast you can grow the account, but your loyalty is proven.
Let's say I'm JR now :P :P


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Maestro75 on September 02, 2023, 07:20:21 PM
I do not think that this post is formed because of you because you are one of the most loyal campaign promoters in the forum.

He mentioned it here
He was with BestChange. Alot of people can not remain there because there are many campaigns paying higher rates than the campaign he was with but he remained until yesterday that he moved to another campaign.

It was for something good that I mentioned you. Nothing to feel had about. I admire those who stay long and loyal to promote a campaign for a year. Yours was more than that, it is something worthy to be mentioned and admired. I wish your new account success in the coming weeks as you continue to move up in rank.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: PX-Z on September 02, 2023, 11:28:39 PM
It's always the pay rate per, next is the rules, then the management.

Changing campaigns due to pay rates is obvious reasons.
Rules depends, if the payrate is higher yet the post counts needed is  above 25, its a negative for most. Also the required number of post in particular board matters as well. If these two is existing on its rules even it has higher pay rates, i still would not join.
Managers may vary, some are strict some are not.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Darker45 on September 03, 2023, 03:19:34 AM
There must be a number of reasons why one moves from one campaign to another. Of course, one is about payment rate. We cannot deny this. This must be the heaviest reason. Another possibly is the number of required posts. Others probably prefer a lower minimum or none at all. Or perhaps some others transfer because of the kind of project being promoted. Or perhaps one doesn't like the rules or the manager or the project team. There are probably more.

As for me, I normally just prefer to stay. There could be an instance or two in the past in which I applied for another campaign that pays better, but in general I have this principle to just stick to my current campaign until it's over. Of course, even a weekly difference of $5 or $10 already matters a lot to somebody who's living in a poor country, but I feel a little uncomfortable abandoning a manager or a project that accepted me, my way of posting, my posting habit, and so on.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Mr.right85 on September 03, 2023, 10:40:44 AM
For most, it’s always about the pay rate per post and what level of compromise the manager gives in considering a post valid.

Of course, even a weekly difference of $5 or $10 already matters a lot to somebody who's living in a poor country, but I feel a little uncomfortable abandoning a manager or a project that accepted me, my way of posting, my posting habit, and so on.
Something am not always overly excited seeing is having to switch campaigns with as little as $5 difference in pay rate and when users where just accepted into a campaign just days before another campaign launched. It almost never sits well with me but hey, it’s a users choice and have got nothing to explain for making those choices except, the work they get to give managers in having to reconsider other applicants which makes a wait list apparently useful.

Thoughts am having is, the promise of how long a campaign would last is key to keeping bound with participants with a standard pay rate, rules to posting and consistency in payment. It bonds participants and campaign together such as we have in the green family of BestChange.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: robelneo on September 03, 2023, 10:55:53 AM
I started doing signature bounty campaigns in 2017 but it's very rare for me to switch campaigns I jump out of the campaign if the project is a scam or questionable, the project paused or stopped or I was replaced the most important for me is the longevity and potential of the campaign.

In the olden days of signature campaigns, you could switch from one campaign to another in the altcoin signature bounty campaign because there are so many campaigns to join but now you can hardly find a good bounty in the altcoin bounty campaign, and on casinos and mixing campaigns the competition is tough you have to prove yourself, if you're an average poster you'll have to wait for your turn and you have to improve and be a quality poster.

There are many reasons why members switch campaigns but the prime reason is the reputation of the campaign, the pay rate is secondary and I guess the number of posts is the consideration.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Woodie on September 03, 2023, 12:22:26 PM
My question is why do members move from one campaign to another? I will not mention names of some that I have seen move from campaign to campaign every time there is opening so no one feels am attacking him.
Usually it goes down to trying to get a better pay rate when the opportunity presents itself and just for the record it's not against the rules  ::) !

But back in the day, some managers would not entertain  such users as it meant more work for the campaign manager in recruiting new members whenever an opening is made available..and to avoid such campaign jumpers a soft ban was made to discourage this habit :P

What makes members move everytime? I need your contribution on this to make me understand it better.
It can be any of the following reasons:

  • freedom of which boards one's post will count
  • better pay per post obviously
  • bonus system for best poster
  • likelihood for a campaign to stick around for a long time etc


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on September 03, 2023, 01:30:01 PM
I will respond with my personal experience. It's not that members always change campaigns, sometimes we also get kicked out or the campaign ends and you have to make a living. You can be kicked out for poor performance, for example, or for other reasons.

In my case I spent about a year in the Livecasino.io campaign. I was quite happy there but the company decided to cut the budget for the campaign by half, so the managers had to get rid of half of the staff and I was one of them.

From there I moved on to the [banned mixer] campaign, which was paused after a while. Then the vBetFTN campaign started, I applied and I was one of the chosen ones, I was in the campaign for 15 weeks and then I joined [banned mixer] again when it was relaunched.

So we can see that in my recent history, out of 4 campaigns I was in there were 3 changes and only 1 was because I decided to change, in 1 I was made redundant and the other the campaign was paused.

My particular story doesn't have to be what usually happens. As far as I can see the main reason for change is usually economic, but we can't ignore the other causes of change.

So your statement, as categorically as you express it, is false.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: YOSHIE on September 03, 2023, 05:37:40 PM
What makes members move everytime? I need your contribution on this to make me understand it better.
Basically, campaigns have (Rules and Requirements) that must be carried out and must be fulfilled by every participant employed in the campaign, the motives and reasons vary, depending on the situation and conditions as long as they are able to comply with the provisions set.

The facts on the ground that I have seen are members who move to other campaigns for different reasons.
For example:
* minimum and maximum required posts or certain board sections, is also one of the factors that can influence users to move, other reasons for example: boredom, wanting to find new experiences etc.
* The campaign manager can also be their motive for switching campaigns, whether it's assertiveness, tension, etc., it can also trigger them to switch.
* Payment is also something to consider, but it's only a few percentages.

The point: the campaign manager has a big influence on campaign participants, comfort and calm regarding the actions they take, moving or staying, a high percentage is caused by the campaign manager.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: rachael9385 on September 03, 2023, 07:05:02 PM
Well almost everybody have the same points, and that means what is been said is correct and I believe now you have gotten the reason why people moves from one signature champagne to another.
I believe if you see any signature champagne that pays $300 to $500 per week you will apply and never go out from it unless you see the one that has a bigger pay roll, basically money is what makes people to learn about Bitcoin and other new things because we are already given a chance to take it so is just better for us to make the right choice, thats all.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Maestro75 on September 04, 2023, 06:20:32 AM

* The campaign manager can also be their motive for switching campaigns, whether it's assertiveness, tension, etc., it can also trigger them to switch.
* Payment is also something to consider, but it's only a few percentages.

The point: the campaign manager has a big influence on campaign participants, comfort and calm regarding the actions they take, moving or staying, a high percentage is caused by the campaign manager.

But some of the members who do this move from one campaign to another also managed by the same manager. How do we judge that? It is clear from the comments I got here that alot of members move because of better payment but the one confusing me is when they do that to another campaign with the same rules and managed by the same member. Sometimes they move and the new campaign they moved to ends while the one they left continues to run.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: LTU_btc on September 05, 2023, 07:34:02 PM
Lot of things were said already, but I will share my point of view. I understand reasons why other people are jumping between campaigns, but personally, I don't like switching campaigns. For other people higher pay is main factor, but for me extra $10 isn't life changing money. I prefer stability and longevity, usually I spend few years on average in one campaign and I leave it only when campaign ends.
But there is other conditions which may be a factor to switch campaign for some people. Like paying for posts made in local boards or how many posts per week campaign requires.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: examplens on September 05, 2023, 10:20:07 PM
The answers to the question posed by the OP are very simple, all possible or at least most of the answers have already been written, so I won't repeat myself.

I am more surprised with the frequent changes in the conditions within the campaign, along with the change in the number of participants. Well, for example, it happens that vacancies are opened in a campaign, and after a week there is a restructuring and the participants are removed. I assume that just as managers don't like constant transfers of participants, this other side also wants some long-term stability.
But I guess that's a question for managers


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Maestro75 on September 06, 2023, 07:09:51 AM
I assume that just as managers don't like constant transfers of participants, this other side also wants some long-term stability.
But I guess that's a question for managers

But we can not say managers do not like the constant movement because we often see times where managers accept members who are in their own other campaigns into another of their campaigns. I hope you understand what am trying to say here. If this managers hate it they will not be accepting the same members to cross over, is it not? That is my view of the situation.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: CryptopreneurBrainboss on September 06, 2023, 09:44:54 AM
I know alot of us will say it is the difference in weekly reward, that the higher the reward the more people move to campaigns with better payments. But I have seen where members go from better pay rates to the ones with lower rates and lower posts requirements. Some apply to campaign of the same manager in less than a week of getting accepted and they want to move again, the same payment and number of posts. I have also seen those who have refused to move to campaigns with better rates, they will be picked if they applied because of their good posts. They choose to remain. Is it about loyalty? Is it that they are scared of switching? Is it about fulfilment with where they are?

Those people directly involved in this discussion would had been in the best position to give you a direct answer because all we'll be doing here is speculating on what the reasons are without actually knowing the main reason. People can move from one campaign to another campaign for various reasons. Since you have already ruled out the reason of better pay rate lets move on to the managers involved with those campaigns and also the weekdays of the campaign. Some people prefer campaigns that ends during the weekends while others love campaign that ends during the weekdays. As for the managers, people have their favorites and they'll always love to work with them because of their fast payment and on time receiving of payment without having to wait hours before the coins gets to your wallet due to poor network fees or other managerial behaviors.

Some days ago I was surprised to see someone who has stayed in a campaign for more than three years. He was with BestChange. Alot of people can not remain there because there are many campaigns paying higher rates than the campaign he was with but he remained until yesterday that he moved to another campaign. Three years is like a lifetime, both for the campaign running and the member who remained faithful to it.

This particular situation has higher pay reason all over it and there's nothing wrong in that, there's a new campaign that'll pay you more for your contributions on the forum, it's only normal for him to want to partake in such campaign. Getting paid more for the value you bring has a better feeling so there's nothing wrong in anymore moving to experience that feeling. Being in a campaign for so long could be as a result of the piece of mind that the campaign gives you, knowing it's a long lasting campaign and you won't have to bother about applying for a new campaign often. Looking at the Campaigns that have escrow addresses you can easily predict how long the campaign would last and determine if it's worth moving to the campaign or not.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: examplens on September 06, 2023, 10:55:38 AM
But we can not say managers do not like the constant movement because we often see times where managers accept members who are in their own other campaigns into another of their campaigns. I hope you understand what am trying to say here. If this managers hate it they will not be accepting the same members to cross over, is it not? That is my view of the situation.

I'm almost sure that the managers are not thrilled with the additional work of transferring participants from one campaign to another. Judging by everything so far, stable campaigns with the least fluctuations and changes have the best rating. (for example ex CM or Bestchange).

And maybe the frequent changes and applications for the campaign are considered part of the promotion due to the constant bump through app posts. As I said earlier, managers can give the most precise answer to this.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: yhiaali3 on September 06, 2023, 05:14:44 PM
For me, I would rather work with a less strict manager with lower pay than a strict manager with higher pay.

You cannot get one answer because the answer differs according to the nature and way of thinking of each person. It is like a job in normal life where you try to look for a new job if you do not like your salary or if your manager is strict or the working conditions are not suitable.

In addition, many members have other work in life outside the forum, so they prefer campaigns that have less stringent conditions in order to avoid being pressured.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: bayu7adi on September 06, 2023, 05:26:06 PM
It can be any of the following reasons:
  • freedom of which boards one's post will count
This reasoning makes sense for those who have limited spare time each day, particularly those who work for companies that require them to commute early in the morning and return late in the evening. I believe their time at home is rightfully a period for rest. Thus, it's entirely reasonable for employees to allocate their time primarily to meet the requirements of signature campaigns.

However, the freedom to post on any board of your choice is unrestricted. It's up to you where you want to make your posts within this forum, but it's crucial to adhere to the forum's rules and stay on topic.

I prefer a mindset that values an individual's creativity. So, it doesn't matter where someone posts, and they shouldn't be concerned about whether their posts are counted by campaign managers or not. When they consider the benefit of their contributions, they already possess a higher level of engagement, and the recognition they deserve should naturally follow.

Just demonstrate that we bring value to this forum, and that goodness will eventually come back to us.  ;)


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on September 06, 2023, 08:32:49 PM
1. People change campaign because they noticed a change about the campaign they are which may not be favourable again for them to continue.

2. Some change the campaign they work for because of the payment rate which could have been lower to their expectations or after they discovered a new high paying rate campaign

3. lastly, people change campaigns because they have discovered something new about to come from a newly launched campaign which stands as a major attraction for them to leave where they are to another one, this may be in form of the incentives, bonuses, requirements, rules and the duration at which the new campaign promise to last.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: EarnOnVictor on September 07, 2023, 02:44:06 AM
You may not notice much since your campaign arrangement is more of an affiliation. People can decide to join a campaign, stay short or longer and leave the high-paying ones for the low-paying ones and vice versa for reasons.

But without mincing words, most people join campaigns for the money and this is evident in how they rush to the highest paying campaigns. But for those who left the high-paying campaign for the lower-paying ones, I could say that it could be two things, either the campaign doesn't align with the value of the person, I do this and I'd avoided applying to some campaigns due to this. The second category might be that the campaign management is making internal adjustments mainly due to money constraints, and at times poor performance of the campaigner. You might not know because some will not announce it publicly but via the PM. The campaigner will not have a choice but to find another one even if they pay less.

But some people are the opposite of this, they might want to taste different campaign sectors (mixing, gambling, exchange etc.) and campaign managers' experiences.

Finally, those who stay in a campaign for long might enjoy the conditions, value and pay, while some might not have the time to be switching campaigns when they didn't tell them to leave.



Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: aioc on September 07, 2023, 09:12:25 AM
I remember leaving one campaign because of a reputation issue, Other than that money is not my consideration not even the number of posts I exceed my post quota sometimes, I just want to be in a campaign where the project I'm promoting is reputable the manager managing the campaign is easy to deal with and the campaign has the potential to last long and so far the current campaign I'm in has all the criteria I'm looking for a campaign.
It's a case-to-case basis for every participant and could be money, number of posts, and reputation. but if you're going to switch from one campaign to the other you better be a good poster and someone who can get into the campaign easily.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Yamane_Keto on September 07, 2023, 02:07:53 PM
I will add points that may not have been mentioned

1) Campaign manager: There are some sensitivities among members, and we notice that some of them avoid joining the campaign because of its manager or because of the nature of its management. Many do not want a manager who always deletes members or constantly changes the rules.
2) The nature of the project: Some projects force people to be active in certain boards, or prevent certain boards, such as altcoin or local, or the number of posts like Min 10 or Max 25.
3) Project continuity: Joining a project that pays $70 and lasts for several years is better than $100 for two months.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: LoyceMobile on September 07, 2023, 04:12:33 PM
Recently, I started keeping track of signature changes for selected users. This shows that some of them often switch campaigns.
I think one of the reasons is because the new campaign manager doesn't know about it. "Job hopping" means you're less likely to stick around long in your new job. I'm now thinking I should expand my signature tracking, so that campaign managers can consider this information before accepting someone into a campaign.
When I managed campaigns I always hated it when someone left shortly after being accepted. It's just extra work for the campaign manager.

I've never left a campaign before it ended. How many users can say that?


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: PX-Z on September 09, 2023, 11:33:09 PM
3) Project continuity: Joining a project that pays $70 and lasts for several years is better than $100 for two months.
Yeah, i forgot this one, this is more like a risk to change campaign because of these reason, unless it's stated that the campaign escrow fund is around for 1 month or 2. But usually it only takes 2-3 weeks. That's why i considered it as a risk.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on September 10, 2023, 04:14:54 AM
I've never left a campaign before it ended. How many users can say that?

Well, that's easier to do if you've been to the best ones. For those who haven't, and you suddenly get the opportunity to get paid double or more, it doesn't make much sense to stay in the current campaign for supposedly owed loyalty, when you don't know if next week it's going to end, get paused, or you're simplt going to be kicked out. As I commented in my previous post in this thread on the subject:

In my case I spent about a year in the Livecasino.io campaign. I was quite happy there but the company decided to cut the budget for the campaign by half, so the managers had to get rid of half of the staff and I was one of them.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: LoyceMobile on September 10, 2023, 05:32:41 AM
I've never left a campaign before it ended. How many users can say that?
Well, that's easier to do if you've been to the best ones.
My first campaign (Rollin) paid a maximum of 50 posts per month, and the pay rate wasn't that high, but I liked the site and stayed with it until it closed.
It helps to be selective which campaign you join.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on September 10, 2023, 05:43:20 AM
My first campaign (Rollin) paid a maximum of 50 posts per month, and the pay rate wasn't that high, but I liked the site and stayed with it until it closed.
It helps to be selective which campaign you join.

You mean if you had the opportunity to switch to one for 50 weekly paid posts for the same payrate or higher you wouldn't have switched? Or that you had that opportunity and didn't do it? I think you would be the only one in the whole forum. The exception that proves the rule, which is that if you get paid more, especially considerably more for spending the same amount of time on the forum, people will switch. As discussed in the thread, there are obviously other factors as well.

By the way, while you're at it you might add that you haven't changed your avatar until the deal has ended.  :D


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: LoyceV on September 10, 2023, 08:07:31 AM
My first campaign (Rollin) paid a maximum of 50 posts per month, and the pay rate wasn't that high, but I liked the site and stayed with it until it closed.
It helps to be selective which campaign you join.
You mean if you had the opportunity to switch to one for 50 weekly paid posts for the same payrate or higher you wouldn't have switched?
Correct. Back then, my payrate increased significantly after my first signature campaign ended.

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Or that you had that opportunity and didn't do it?
I never tried to switch. That doesn't mean I wouldn't do that now if I'd find a better paying deal that I also like, but it has to be something I like.

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I think you would be the only one in the whole forum. The exception that proves the rule, which is that if you get paid more, especially considerably more for spending the same amount of time on the forum, people will switch.
There are still people without paid signature.

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By the way, while you're at it you might add that you haven't changed your avatar until the deal has ended.  :D
What can I say, I like this one. I like it so much I wear the same avatar on 3 accounts (Mobile and Bot), while the offer was only for LoyceV.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: coin-investor on September 10, 2023, 09:29:50 AM
Everyone has their own reasons why they switch campaigns For me after being in so many campaigns since my days in the bounty campaign I prefer stability and reputation more than anything else. My current campaign happens to be the number one casino in the industry and they are one of the longest campaigns in the forum, The payment rate is good and it depends on how active you are.
I hope I can keep up with the campaign, so far Stake is one of the campaigns with the largest number of active participants.
When it comes to joining its important that you consider reputation and stability so many signature campaigns come and go and the competition among posters is very stiff. 


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: LoyceMobile on September 10, 2023, 10:14:28 AM
Everyone has their own reasons why they switch campaigns For me after being in so many campaigns since my days in the bounty campaign I prefer stability and reputation more than anything else. My current campaign happens to be the number one casino in the industry and they are one of the longest campaigns in the forum
It's also one of the worst spam creators.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Saisher on September 10, 2023, 10:53:47 PM
Better pay, and the reputation of the project post counts but you can only do this if you're confident enough and you believe that you are a good poster.
The only people who can do this campaign switching are those reputable members of this forum and have a good contribution and trust rating, if you're an average poster better be content to your current campaign or improve the quality of your posts.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: KingsDen on September 11, 2023, 11:16:46 PM
Why do members switch campaigns always?

Why do people change jobs?
  • For a better pay
  • For job security
The above two works together and it is hard for someone to choose, especially when loyalty is not attached. Jump to a higher paying campaign that might end next month or remain in your present campaign that may stay till next year.
Other reasons include;
  • Number of posts required to be made
  • Permitted areas to make post
  • The leniency or strictness of the campaign manager
  • The promptness of pay  
Among others.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: examplens on September 13, 2023, 07:59:31 AM
I never tried to switch. That doesn't mean I wouldn't do that now if I'd find a better paying deal that I also like, but it has to be something I like.

Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't your current campaign the fourth this year? In many posts, I recognize certain users more easily by their signatures. I'm not used to your changes, good thing, you didn't change your avatar.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: bakasabo on September 13, 2023, 08:10:45 AM
I think members also switch campaigns, because they follow specific bounty managers. There are managers who a more strict than others, when we speak about post evaluation, and these managers also have more light or preferable campaign rules. For example some managers allow local posting, some just count few posts. Some members, instead of struggling to post 15 posts in English each week, would rather make 25 posts on their native language.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: LoyceV on September 13, 2023, 08:25:02 AM
I never tried to switch.
Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't your current campaign the fourth this year? In many posts, I recognize certain users more easily by their signatures. I'm not used to your changes, good thing, you didn't change your avatar.
Nope, it's the third this year and the fourth in total (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5445293.0).
I keep track here (https://loyce.club/signatures/) now. Maybe you saw the redesign (https://loyce.club/signatures/459836.html).

This is still correct though:
I've never left a campaign before it ended. How many users can say that?


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Maestro75 on September 13, 2023, 03:57:26 PM
For me, I would rather work with a less strict manager with lower pay than a strict manager with higher pay.

What you said is true, I like this point. I never looked at it like that but now you mentioned it I see the reason. I have worked with some managers in the past who will deny you payment because you missed a single post to complete weekly count. But there are some managers that will pass the less post to the following week and pay you complete. It is painful for anyone that a manager can get their payment ceased over small thing like that.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: LTU_btc on September 13, 2023, 10:09:15 PM
Well, that's easier to do if you've been to the best ones. For those who haven't, and you suddenly get the opportunity to get paid double or more, it doesn't make much sense to stay in the current campaign for supposedly owed loyalty, when you don't know if next week it's going to end, get paused, or you're simplt going to be kicked out. As I commented in my previous post in this thread on the subject:
I've never been in highest paying campaigns like Chipmixer, but I also never left campaign before it ended. I simply don't see reasons to jump between campaigns to get $10/week more. It's not life changing money, especially when I'm in long term stable campaign. It's same like I don't change my full-time job often, I laready work in same company for more than 4 years.
But I understand reasons why people switch between campaigns and your example is very good one. If my current campaign would cut payments by 50%, then most likely I would leave.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: NotATether on September 14, 2023, 06:09:10 AM
Why do people change jobs?
~
  • For job security

I don't think we can classify signature campaigns as a job, because it's a form of advertisement.

I think members also switch campaigns, because they follow specific bounty managers. There are managers who a more strict than others, when we speak about post evaluation, and these managers also have more light or preferable campaign rules. For example some managers allow local posting, some just count few posts. Some members, instead of struggling to post 15 posts in English each week, would rather make 25 posts on their native language.

Why would anyone want to do that, in the middle of a campaign? That is like changing jobs because your supervisor has also changed jobs and went to another company so you just pack your bags and call it quits and move over there - if they even accept you that is.

What you said is true, I like this point. I never looked at it like that but now you mentioned it I see the reason. I have worked with some managers in the past who will deny you payment because you missed a single post to complete weekly count. But there are some managers that will pass the less post to the following week and pay you complete. It is painful for anyone that a manager can get their payment ceased over small thing like that.

That is almost always in the terms of the campaign so it should be clear what you sign up for when you join a campaign.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: CryptopreneurBrainboss on September 14, 2023, 07:54:15 AM
This is still correct though:
I've never left a campaign before it ended. How many users can say that?

I don't know if you're speaking in reference to your alt here or your main account but here's my opinion on this if you're speaking as your main account. Not everyone has the same privileges you have on the forum and don't get me wrong (you deserve them all) but you're unlikely to be kick out of a campaign unlike other members on the forum. People are looking for security in campaigns, that's campaign that won't kick them out just because they don't have the reputation like you do. People switch campaign for various reasons and one of them is to work with a manager that's less likely to replace them with others that are of higher reputation. Also you're privilege to be in one of the best paying campaigns (frequently) and also have side deals that are worth more than some campaigns are paying that many accounts can never have on the forum. You should be comfortable in any campaign you're participating in and don't have a reason to switch.

I think members also switch campaigns, because they follow specific bounty managers. There are managers who a more strict than others, when we speak about post evaluation, and these managers also have more light or preferable campaign rules. For example some managers allow local posting, some just count few posts. Some members, instead of struggling to post 15 posts in English each week, would rather make 25 posts on their native language.

One rule I highlighted in my thread: [Guide] Factors to consider before joining paid signature campaigns. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5115291.0) is that we should always work for a campaign that won't change our posting habits and even when they're the only options available on the forum, we should avoid them and keep participating in discussion on the forum. You don't need to be in a campaign to write on the forum and you shouldn't join any that you won't be comfortable in. Signature campaign aren't jobs that you can justify being in for the salary to keep life moving until you find another more suiting to you. So in this scenario instead of participating in a campaign that won't allow you to post in your local baord, ignored them and wait for those that'll allow you be you.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Z-tight on September 14, 2023, 10:52:15 AM
I have worked with some managers in the past who will deny you payment because you missed a single post to complete weekly count.
I can understand what the managers are thinking and why they do that, since it is a campaign with an exact post per week requirement, and not a pay per post, the managers will be expecting participants to do more than the bare mimimum. Let's say the campaign requires you to make 20 posts to get paid, the manager may expect 23+ posts, in that way if you have a post deleted or moved to a section that's not counted towards the payment, you'll still get the full payment.

For the participant, it could be as a result of a busy or rough week in real life, but you can't blame the manager if you didn't reach the exact requirement. Communication is also important between managers and campaign participants, if you are having a rough time in real life, you can discuss with your manager and the both of you will reach a good compromise.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Findingnemo on September 14, 2023, 12:28:25 PM
I switched only once if my memory serves right in all the years, I like to be in the long-running campaign no matter if their pay rate is half compared to some campaigns that popped up recently but I can only speak for myself and based on the opinions shared by others the probable cause is the high pay rate.

But if I am not wrong campaign managers don't like the attitude of switching campaigns too often, and some managers explicitly stated that on a few occasions.

Even I saw members applying for a campaign just after thanking them for accepting a signature campaign. ::)


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Note3 on September 15, 2023, 07:14:19 AM
What makes members move everytime? I need your contribution on this to make me understand it better.
To get a better payment of course.
Not all members on this forum often switch signature campaigns there are those who stay on the campaign for a very long period of time, although he has a chance of getting a higher payment, the reason may be to get a signature campaign that lasts longer than just one to two weeks.
There are members who make signature campaigns as their main income, and these members will certainly prefer long-running campaigns even though the payment is not large especially if the value is sufficient to finance their lives, certainty is more important.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: anntlevel on September 15, 2023, 10:51:05 AM
I remember leaving one campaign because of a reputation issue, Other than that money is not my consideration not even the number of posts I exceed my post quota sometimes, I just want to be in a campaign where the project I'm promoting is reputable the manager managing the campaign is easy to deal with and the campaign has the potential to last long and so far the current campaign I'm in has all the criteria I'm looking for a campaign.
It's a case-to-case basis for every participant and could be money, number of posts, and reputation. but if you're going to switch from one campaign to the other you better be a good poster and someone who can get into the campaign easily.
I thought money is not your consideration, so why you are making sure that your post exceeds to your quota? The logic behind is because some threads or replies can get deleted and if we only post 25 per week (most sig campaigns minimum) we can get short and we may not get paid. You also ensure that you are in a reputable campaign manager so that you can always get paid.

Lastly, you want a long lasting campaign so that you can continuously earn a crypto. I believe that this is also the dream of many campaign participant because sometimes a new campaign can come rarely and then applying on it is also not easy. We always need to be on time to have a better chance of being accepted.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Z-tight on September 15, 2023, 12:47:00 PM
I thought money is not your consideration, so why you are making sure that your post exceeds to your quota? The logic behind is because some threads or replies can get deleted and if we only post 25 per week (most sig campaigns minimum) we can get short and we may not get paid.
The logic is not always constant, and making posts above the maximum that will be paid for doesn't mean you are doing it to ensure you get paid. Some users find making posts easy, as long as they find topics that interests them and this way they'll make so many posts above what's counted towards the weekly payment. You could also be making a few extra posts to ensure deleted or posts moved to sections that don't count in the campaign doesn't affect your payment. In my honest opinion, it does not matter what the logic is, so long as the posts are good and aren't spam posts.
We always need to be on time to have a better chance of being accepted.
When you apply for a campaign doesn't matter, just don't apply when it is CFNP. Good managers will check all of the applications and take their time to review all of them, even if your application was the last one.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Coin_trader on September 15, 2023, 12:53:33 PM
I remember leaving one campaign because of a reputation issue, Other than that money is not my consideration not even the number of posts I exceed my post quota sometimes, I just want to be in a campaign where the project I'm promoting is reputable the manager managing the campaign is easy to deal with and the campaign has the potential to last long and so far the current campaign I'm in has all the criteria I'm looking for a campaign.
It's a case-to-case basis for every participant and could be money, number of posts, and reputation. but if you're going to switch from one campaign to the other you better be a good poster and someone who can get into the campaign easily.
I thought money is not your consideration, so why you are making sure that your post exceeds to your quota? The logic behind is because some threads or replies can get deleted and if we only post 25 per week (most sig campaigns minimum) we can get short and we may not get paid. You also ensure that you are in a reputable campaign manager so that you can always get paid.

Lastly, you want a long lasting campaign so that you can continuously earn a crypto. I believe that this is also the dream of many campaign participant because sometimes a new campaign can come rarely and then applying on it is also not easy. We always need to be on time to have a better chance of being accepted.

Obviously he wants to get paid since he is enrolled on a campaign. The topic here is the discussion about changing campaign frequently and there’s nothing wrong to secured the amount of post needed for the campaign to be paid since this is a job not a volunteer work.

I believe he meant money is not a problem by means of the salary difference between each campaign. It’s hypocracy to the highest level to say that someone doesn’t need money while enrolled in a campaign and posting until max wuota no matter how good his contribution. We are all after extra income that’s why we join on a campaign. On his case, he doesn’t mean like that.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: un_rank on September 15, 2023, 07:18:45 PM
I thought money is not your consideration, so why you are making sure that your post exceeds to your quota? The logic behind is because some threads or replies can get deleted and if we only post 25 per week (most sig campaigns minimum) we can get short and we may not get paid. You also ensure that you are in a reputable campaign manager so that you can always get paid.
None of these you have said indicates that money is the sole purpose of that user posting here. Some people enjoy discussions here and will freely join them with as much free time as they have, being in a signature campaign just means you make up some more free time for yourself and not that you discuss at an unnatural level to fulfill the requirement. Real life activities can many times affect that and influence how active we are on the forum but in the end it is something you plan to make out time for when you apply to help promote a brand.

Making above the maximum, or below it, or exactly it does not alone indicate a user is here just for the payment, what is most important is the quality of the contribution that the user is making.

We always need to be on time to have a better chance of being accepted.
You do not need to apply early to have a better chance, as long as you apply before applications are closed you have an equal chance to be chosen.

- Jay -


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: BenCodie on September 16, 2023, 02:30:59 PM
I can answer you as I’m the member who moved after 3 years, personally I still feel grateful to BESTCHANGE and I created an alternative account to promote them for free (as an expression of my gratitude( but over time you want to go on a new deal and that's what I did.

I do not think that this post is formed because of you because you are one of the most loyal campaign promoters in the forum. 3years is not 3 months and on leaving Best_Change you created an account that will continue to promote Best_Change. Although, I doubt how fast you can grow the account, but your loyalty is proven.

As for the reason that I did not do that before, it is because most of the campaigns during 2020 to 2023 were gambling campaigns, casinos, or loans, and these three things I do not like, and I have almost 0% posts in the gambling section during the 6 years I spent here.

In 2020, I was in a CHIPMIXER campaign, and from there I moved to BESTCHANGE, and perhaps after the disappearance of CHIPMIXER, more mixers campaigns appeared, so I moved.

I haven't seen of recent where people promote projects according to their belief. Before now some person's will not promote gambling companies no matter how much they pay. These days, there are a few of such people, as people are willing to promote any project for money.

One may not support gambling, that doesn't mean one is supporting them by taking payment for the pixel space. It's an advertising deal, not the leasing of ones soul or moral beliefs.

I for one, am very objective toward casinos due to so many complaints against them. I trust my campaign manager to pick the safest options out of all of the junk in the gambling board. I post with no support of the gambling industry unless I'm providing genuine feedback. I only mention casino names when complaints are present. I respect the campaign provider. I do not join campaigns with companies I know to have many valid open complaints.

Therefore, while one may not be a gambling proponent, the advertiser still gets the exposure they desire.

As for the reason that I did not do that before, it is because most of the campaigns during 2020 to 2023 were gambling campaigns, casinos, or loans, and these three things I do not like, and I have almost 0% posts in the gambling section during the 6 years I spent here.

In 2020, I was in a CHIPMIXER campaign, and from there I moved to BESTCHANGE, and perhaps after the disappearance of CHIPMIXER, more mixers campaigns appeared, so I moved.

Best_change is one of the most sought after campaigns because it does not limit you to posting in boards that you may not particularly go to post in if you didn't have a requirement to. It is easy to boast about sticking to your beliefs when you have sat in arguably the two best campaigns in the forum. I am sure if everyone was entered into the BestChange campaign, gambling board posts would reduce by 90% and business would eventually shrivel up there.

Unfortunately, casinos have a financial grip over the forum, driving good businesses like BestChange out of the market of funding new posters.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: examplens on September 16, 2023, 03:10:19 PM
Best_change is one of the most sought after campaigns because it does not limit you to posting in boards that you may not particularly go to post in if you didn't have a requirement to. It is easy to boast about sticking to your beliefs when you have sat in arguably the two best campaigns in the forum. I am sure if everyone was entered into the BestChange campaign, gambling board posts would reduce by 90% and business would eventually shrivel up there.

Unfortunately, casinos have a financial grip over the forum, driving good businesses like BestChange out of the market of funding new posters.

Maybe you didn't look in detail, but Bestchange is one of the more demanding campaigns. For example:

- Don't spam. Post made after page 5 we usually consider as spam. We can accept no more than 10% posts of the weekly post quota (for example, 2-3 of 25), if posts are written after page 5.
- For the record, we will not count posts in the games and rounds section, Archival, Local, off-topic, politics and society, Signature and Bounty campaigns. Posts in these threads and boards where the Signature is not displayed will not be counted as eligible.
...
- We recommend avoiding topics with sensitive political agendas, in particular, the situation surrounding Russia and Ukraine these days. Since we, as a business, take up a neutral status,

For many users, it is not easy to write up to 5 pages or outside the local board.
Otherwise, the payment rate in this campaign is better than any gambling signature campaign, along with the longevity, it can be said that BestChange has no problem with gambling campaigns.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: joeperry on September 20, 2023, 04:14:07 AM
This is actually a good topic. As a campaign manager I noticed that too, weekly I encounter a user that applied to other campaign although they are currently enrolled to the campaign (not changing campaign) but I know that when they accepted to that campaign they will leave the current campaign. In my assumption there are actually a lot of possibilities why they do this including:

  • Reward difference but most likely the rewards are the same.
  • The new campaign is new and would probably run for a long time and so it's better to leave the current one to ensure that they will will have stable in come in the next coming weeks/months.

We are really not sure about the reason and we really can't do anything about it

But what I really don't like is when the user changed/switched campaign without notice or without letting the manager that they are accepted in other campaign and you will only notice that they switched campaign when you check their profile that they are not wearing the signature and avatar when checking. I think that was a big disrespect for any manager and not just for me.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: LoyceV on September 20, 2023, 07:29:23 AM
But what I really don't like is when the user changed/switched campaign without notice or without letting the manager that they are accepted in other campaign and you will only notice that they switched campaign when you check their profile that they are not wearing the signature and avatar when checking. I think that was a big disrespect for any manager and not just for me.
It's not just disrespect, it could be considered scamming. The user made a deal with the campaign, and leaving unannounced is like taking another job IRL and still expecting payment from your old job.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: LTU_btc on September 20, 2023, 07:34:03 PM
But what I really don't like is when the user changed/switched campaign without notice or without letting the manager that they are accepted in other campaign and you will only notice that they switched campaign when you check their profile that they are not wearing the signature and avatar when checking. I think that was a big disrespect for any manager and not just for me.
It's not just disrespect, it could be considered scamming. The user made a deal with the campaign, and leaving unannounced is like taking another job IRL and still expecting payment from your old job.
It could be both, depends case by case basis. I'm not sure how often cases when user get paid from 2 campaigns on same week, but probably such things happens. But I think that in most cases it's just disrespect for manager and showing bad etiquette. Is it really so difficult to drop PM to manager that you're leaving?


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Bitstar_coin on September 23, 2023, 07:55:49 PM
As much as I could agree to pursue higher paying campaigns, i see it as greed too, sometimes i see some members just got selected in a campaign barely a week long and then a new campaign comes out that pays slightly higher than their newly joined campaign they will still apply regardless.

If it was up to me, I will not be selecting any bounty whore in my campaign because Bms put time and effort into selecting their desired participants in these campaigns and sadly majority only pursue the highest paying and are not too concerned with rendering the needed service. Participants of long-term paying campaigns with low paying rates deserve a round of applause because they understand the difference between jumping from one campaign to the other and appreciating the opportunity of getting paid long-term.  


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Lida93 on September 26, 2023, 02:25:16 PM
There are many factors to why people move from one campaign to another and also why some other stay longer in one campaign.

° The  campaign manager: The nature of the CM on how he handles his signature campaign has a lot to do with why participants under his campaign will choose to remain there for as long as possible or move within the shortest time. Sometimes the assurance participants get not to be kicked out of a campaign by the manager overnight as it's not the nature of such manager is one factor that keeps participants so long in a campaign not minding the pay rate.

°The payment rate and post count: pay rates in a campaign entices people here in the forum alot and nobody would deny they don't like working in an establishment with a higher pay while the workload is not that much compared to where so much is expected of you but without a commensurable pay rate to that expectations.

°Some boards restrictions in a campaign : Some  signature campaigns restricts participants from posting in boards like B&H, while some restricts gambling boards posts and this is because of the type of services these projects offers therefore any posts made there will not count for the week. And if a participants isn't comfortable with him not posting in gambling boards he won't hesitate applying in another new campaign that allows gambling posts because that is where he's posting strength mainly lies.

°Strays and Non-strays:  some people it's in their nature just to be moving from one campaign to another without a reason, it's not for pay rate, number of weekly posts count, or posting boards restrictions but it's just in their nature to stray from campaign to another I wonder if they are looking for recognition or something else.

While for some they just decide to stay at a place in as much as they ain't being chased away by the campaign manager or the campaign didn't end they are cool with their spot.

In conclusion, even as it's no crime moving from one campaign to another it is irresponsible, immature and fickle for an individual to be doing so within a shortest frame of just a week in a campaign.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: noormcs5 on September 26, 2023, 03:02:51 PM
But what I really don't like is when the user changed/switched campaign without notice or without letting the manager that they are accepted in other campaign and you will only notice that they switched campaign when you check their profile that they are not wearing the signature and avatar when checking. I think that was a big disrespect for any manager and not just for me.
It's not just disrespect, it could be considered scamming. The user made a deal with the campaign, and leaving unannounced is like taking another job IRL and still expecting payment from your old job.

I do not think that those who leave without notifying will want to get payment from the previous campaign too as it is obvious that the campaign manager will check the signatures while counting the posts.


As far am myself is concerned, I would never want to change my campaign even if any other better paying campaign starts on the forum. The reason is that once you are with a certain campaign for a long time, you tend to develop an affiliation with the campaign and you would not want to switch campaigns often.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: virasog on September 26, 2023, 03:42:24 PM
°Strays and Non-strays:  some people it's in their nature just to be moving from one campaign to another without a reason, it's not for pay rate, number of weekly posts count, or posting boards restrictions but it's just in their nature to stray from campaign to another I wonder if they are looking for recognition or something else.

This is the strangest reason I have come across why people are switching the campaign??? They won't get recognition if they move from campaign to campaign. Also what sort of nature it is that it compels to move to different campaigns without any reason  :o

I would call them "sick" who would like to change campaigns and they have no reason for these switches.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Lida93 on September 26, 2023, 03:59:19 PM
°Strays and Non-strays:  some people it's in their nature just to be moving from one campaign to another without a reason, it's not for pay rate, number of weekly posts count, or posting boards restrictions but it's just in their nature to stray from campaign to another I wonder if they are looking for recognition or something else.

This is the strangest reason I have come across why people are switching the campaign??? They won't get recognition if they move from campaign to campaign. Also what sort of nature it is that it compels to move to different campaigns without any reason  :o

I would call them "sick" who would like to change campaigns and they have no reason for these switches.
It is my speculative yardstick as part of other reasons why people chose to switch campaign frequently, we don't need to mention names but they exist. Like I said they don't have any reason at all why they are switching, they just feel they need to participate in this new campaign and just like that they apply and if it were possible people with such stray behavior would have been ubiquitous in every campaign. I consider them and their character to be weird because obviously they won't get that recognition but bad reputation to contract.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Upgrade00 on September 26, 2023, 09:46:18 PM
In conclusion, even as it's no crime moving from one campaign to another it is irresponsible, immature and fickle for an individual to be doing so within a shortest frame of just a week in a campaign.
I have been on one campaign for several years now and I've enjoyed every bit of time spent with the green flag. I have only been tempted to apply for other campaigns a couple of times, mostly to chipmixer when they were still around on the forum.

It has been a combination of the posting requirements, the manner of management and freedom to post around as well as feedbacks being taken from campaign participants that has kept me there (along with not being accepted by CM), but I can totally understand why a user will move on very quickly from one campaign if they get accepted for a slot in another one.

Some managers pick higher ranks for lower pay roll, a concept which I do not fancy as it limits the slots available for users of that rank. If a user in a lower pay slot gets an opportunity to switch campaigns and get accepted for their rank, then they should go ahead with it, the manager will understand or should.

As long as a user is performing their tasks adequately, they should be able to switch campaigns till the get comfortable in one.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Bitstar_coin on September 27, 2023, 04:05:21 AM
°Strays and Non-strays:  some people it's in their nature just to be moving from one campaign to another without a reason, it's not for pay rate, number of weekly posts count, or posting boards restrictions but it's just in their nature to stray from campaign to another I wonder if they are looking for recognition or something else.

This is the strangest reason I have come across why people are switching the campaign??? They won't get recognition if they move from campaign to campaign. Also what sort of nature it is that it compels to move to different campaigns without any reason  :o

I would call them "sick" who would like to change campaigns and they have no reason for these switches.

And in all sincerity people like that should be marked by all bms and should not be given any opportunity because imo they don't deserve it. There are more qualified, dedicated and serious members who deserves the opportunity.
Even if they will get recognition it will only be a negative one because nobody wants to work with unserious people.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Stedsm on September 27, 2023, 08:57:44 PM
I'd say the same thing Yahoo always used to tell us:
We all are here just for money and that's a fact, and you shouldn't be ashamed when claiming this as that's why we gather here, post on this forum to make a reputation and then, either get selected on campaigns or if you're a manager, get selected to work as a manager of that campaign.
About campaign hopping, some people do it for the purpose of making more money, while honestly speaking, I did it just because I want my debt to be cleared asap that I'm left with since about 2-3 years. I won't lie at all, that's the only reason why I joined various campaigns in order to make my repayments and get my loan cleared on this forum to make a fresh start again. It takes a lot of courage to say this publicly and most importantly, to do it. I've had been very busy and stuck in the worst situation in my life during the last 3 years and now I'm fine, so doing all I can in order to clear everything.  :)


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: GbitG on September 27, 2023, 09:38:54 PM
Why do members switch campaigns always?
Your question is quite interesting as to why the members switch campaigns, so according to my estimation, the answer is very clear for the sake of money. Obviously,  God has placed a natural substance in man that makes him automatically inclined towards everything better, and He is eager to get it. So in the same way, money is also an attractive thing that is used by people out of greed. So what I mean is that members also consider collecting more money to meet their needs. Human nature demands that he not do any work for no purpose; he must demand something in return.

As someone who is new on this forum, first he wants to know how to educate himself with the knowledge of cryptocurrency, but when he completes his knowledge and achieves rank, his earning starts due to joining Signature. But he is keen to join the best Signature, whose payroll is high.

So the summary of all this discussion is that the members switch the campaign so that they get more for their work.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: UserU on September 28, 2023, 08:10:20 AM
I'd say the same thing Yahoo always used to tell us:
We all are here just for money and that's a fact, and you shouldn't be ashamed when claiming this as that's why we gather here, post on this forum to make a reputation and then, either get selected on campaigns or if you're a manager, get selected to work as a manager of that campaign.
About campaign hopping, some people do it for the purpose of making more money, while honestly speaking, I did it just because I want my debt to be cleared asap that I'm left with since about 2-3 years. I won't lie at all, that's the only reason why I joined various campaigns in order to make my repayments and get my loan cleared on this forum to make a fresh start again. It takes a lot of courage to say this publicly and most importantly, to do it. I've had been very busy and stuck in the worst situation in my life during the last 3 years and now I'm fine, so doing all I can in order to clear everything.  :)

Based. It ain't any different from a typical job. People move for better opportunities, which is mainly money. I mean with some extra effort, tens of extra dollars per week makes a huge difference.

Some countries even operate on weekly rentals, so that really helps.

Imagine being part of the then-operational ChipMixer campaign that could net you hundreds of bucks per week.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: BitcoinsGreat on September 28, 2023, 09:30:10 AM
I read almost all the messages in this thread but i wished to see the response from the reputed active campaign managers Royse777 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=366632),  Hhampuz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=881377), icopress (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1137579), julerz12 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=950662) etc.

Anyways thanks to joeperry (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5465359.msg62873270#msg62873270) and CryptopreneurBrainboss (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5465359.msg62802575#msg62802575) for sharing thier valuable views on this matter.



Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Pmalek on September 28, 2023, 06:35:58 PM
The most obvious reason is, of course, the better pay rate that the other campaign offers. Signature campaigns aren't a job, but if given an opportunity to earn significantly more elsewhere, why would you choose to earn less?

Besides being incentivized by money, there are other reasons.

  • The participants might not like a rule of the campaign they are in. For example, the rules require they write 10 posts weekly in the gambling board, and they don't want that. Or, the campaign doesn't count local posts or posts from a different board they frequent like B&H. The new campaign that is more lenient in that regard seems like a better choice in that case.
  • They might be struggling to make the weekly posting quota. Most quality campaigns nowadays don't have minimum weekly posting requirements, but if they had, the user might not be able to meet them. So, a campaign that pays less and expects less posts weekly might be a better choice.
  • Finally, they might be thinking their current campaign might end soon. This could happen if it has lasted more than originally expected or longer than what the forum average is. When they see something new, they might believe here is something that will last, especially if it's a popular brand and campaign manager running it.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: GxSTxV on September 28, 2023, 07:59:33 PM
First of it as some community managers have already pointed out here what truly matters before switching from one campaign to another is notifying and leaving a message for your old campaign manager so that they can know early and cover your spot by another member. Plus it's important not to request or expect payment during that week you left unless you have completed that week and still wearing the campaign's signature.

Now in response to your question, I would say that there are many cases, and each member has his own perspective. There are two known categories first some members prefer campaigns with the highest weekly payouts, so whenever a new campaign offering better compensation he try to join it and leave the old one. The second category where those who like long term campaigns, even if the weekly payout is average what matters for them is they stay for longer period and I go with this choice IMO.
And when a campaign combines both long term and high payout rates, you will notice that members are rarely switching and it’s hard to find a free spot there, unless the community manager decides to remove a member for specific reasons.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: dunfida on September 28, 2023, 09:51:46 PM

This question has occured to me many times but whenever it happens I push it off my mind. But I want to ask now and get opinions of members on it. I do not know if this section is right place to post it. Please moderator move it if I posted it wrongly. My question is why do members move from one campaign to another? I will not mention names of some that I have seen move from campaign to campaign every time there is opening so no one feels am attacking him.

I know alot of us will say it is the difference in weekly reward, that the higher the reward the more people move to campaigns with better payments. But I have seen where members go from better pay rates to the ones with lower rates and lower posts requirements. Some apply to campaign of the same manager in less than a week of getting accepted and they want to move again, the same payment and number of posts. I have also seen those who have refused to move to campaigns with better rates, they will be picked if they applied because of their good posts. They choose to remain. Is it about loyalty? Is it that they are scared of switching? Is it about fulfilment with where they are?

And for those who move always, is it money driving the motive? Is it about going to where those they see as family move to? I want to know. Some days ago I was surprised to see someone who has stayed in a campaign for more than three years. He was with BestChange. Alot of people can not remain there because there are many campaigns paying higher rates than the campaign he was with but he remained until yesterday that he moved to another campaign. Three years is like a lifetime, both for the campaign running and the member who remained faithful to it.

What makes members move everytime? I need your contribution on this to make me understand it better.
1. Better payrate
2. Preferred company or service that they do like to advertise

This is the only two possible reasons that i do see on why people would really be switching to other campaigns but most likely they would really be coming after for bigger payrates or possible the biggest payrate on which they could get on signature campaigns specially to those top paying ones but eventually getting hired or chosen would really be that hard because of the requirement but if you are a user whose that popular and
tons of merits then you could easily switch up on every signature that you do want to join. Loyalty? Dont expect something like this because anyone could switch up if they wanted to.
They dont really mind about being loyal on a certain manager or company even if they had stayed up for too long years.

It is really just that a dumb decision on going for another campaign which you dont even know if it would long run or not in exchange to the previous campaign which had
been running for 3 years.  :-\


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: 348Judah on September 29, 2023, 10:41:15 AM
But what I really don't like is when the user changed/switched campaign without notice or without letting the manager that they are accepted in other campaign and you will only notice that they switched campaign when you check their profile that they are not wearing the signature and avatar when checking. I think that was a big disrespect for any manager and not just for me.
It's not just disrespect, it could be considered scamming. The user made a deal with the campaign, and leaving unannounced is like taking another job IRL and still expecting payment from your old job.
It could be both, depends case by case basis. I'm not sure how often cases when user get paid from 2 campaigns on same week, but probably such things happens. But I think that in most cases it's just disrespect for manager and showing bad etiquette. Is it really so difficult to drop PM to manager that you're leaving?

I think sometimes earlier this year, a user was caught violating the campaign rule with the use of two signatures and switches them whenever the current weeks ends and the manager want to make posts count, he did that for some couple of times before he was finally caught, it's not something good to participate in two campaigns at the same time, another thing that seems common is when a user got accepted in a campaign but yet have other pending applications on other threads, instead of them informing the other ones they have applied for that they have been accepted and delete their application, they tend to occupy other applicants chances of being accepted and they hold on the two just to found out they they lately reported leaving one for the other, taking other's spot or chances of being accepted.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: examplens on September 29, 2023, 12:12:50 PM
Maybe this discussion started the matter, but icopress implemented a new rule when we talked about switching from campaign to campaign. It is clear what is to be achieved in this way, but I am not sure about the sustainability of this rule.
To me, this seems wrong in several ways, and I am not sure of the final motive for introducing such a rule. What comes to my mind is certainly not related to improving the quality of the campaign. However, the manager writes the rules of his campaign.

However, I am interested in the application of this rule, how the payment will be made, in case the participant refuses, and what will be the penalty. Red tag for changing the signature? And will it be applicable to all members, without exception, regardless of rank, status, influence...

Please note that by applying to this campaign you agree that if you are accepted, for any reason you want to leave the campaign in favor of a competitor's campaign, then you will have to pay compensation (the same amount that you received during the first week of your participation). This does not apply if you decide to switch to another campaign that is not advertising the mixer, or if you switch to a campaign that I manage.



Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Pmalek on September 29, 2023, 07:21:46 PM
2. Preferred company or service that they do like to advertise
I think this rarely happens. Most advertisers on Bitcointalk have always been crypto casinos, and if they pay good, people will apply. One exception is if it's a scam casino with a history of defrauding its clients. A perfect example is 1xBit that never attracted respected individuals even if they paid decent amounts.

A more common reason for a switch between two almost identical campaigns could be different campaign managers. Maybe I had a better experience when I was in the campaigns run by Manager A than B. Some rules aren't always as strict for all posters if the campaign manager likes you and the quality you bring to the project. 


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Oilacris on September 29, 2023, 07:41:33 PM
Maybe this discussion started the matter, but icopress implemented a new rule when we talked about switching from campaign to campaign. It is clear what is to be achieved in this way, but I am not sure about the sustainability of this rule.
To me, this seems wrong in several ways, and I am not sure of the final motive for introducing such a rule. What comes to my mind is certainly not related to improving the quality of the campaign. However, the manager writes the rules of his campaign.

However, I am interested in the application of this rule, how the payment will be made, in case the participant refuses, and what will be the penalty. Red tag for changing the signature? And will it be applicable to all members, without exception, regardless of rank, status, influence...

Please note that by applying to this campaign you agree that if you are accepted, for any reason you want to leave the campaign in favor of a competitor's campaign, then you will have to pay compensation (the same amount that you received during the first week of your participation). This does not apply if you decide to switch to another campaign that is not advertising the mixer, or if you switch to a campaign that I manage.

Signature campaign rules do really have those kind of changes and this is where it comes from those managers who do have the right to apply such conditions on which neither it could or could not affect the signature campaign or not. I have read up those terms about once you do get hired on a certain signature manage by him and on the time that you do make out some switch with some competitor
or other company then you are really that obliged on paying up those the amount that you had get from sig payment which i do see that it is really just that too much?
On this way then for sure people wouldnt really be that easily trying to switch up campaigns, if icopress did make out such rule just to avoid such condition or scenario then
its not a bad idea but a little bit too tight since you wont really be giving those participants some options.

Speaking about loyalty then this is something that have a lesser concern or not really that something that could imply among on the participants.They would always
be loving on spotting those campaigns which does pay more or better.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Pmalek on September 30, 2023, 08:15:11 AM
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It's a free market and nobody should be forcing anyone to be where they don't want to be. Loyalty can't be forced upon you, otherwise it's not real loyalty. It's based on fear and uncertainty. You choose who or what you want to be loyal to because it's not a requirement that someone should make you respect.     


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: wallet4bitcoin on September 30, 2023, 03:03:47 PM

This question has occured to me many times but whenever it happens I push it off my mind. But I want to ask now and get opinions of members on it. I do not know if this section is right place to post it. Please moderator move it if I posted it wrongly. My question is why do members move from one campaign to another? I will not mention names of some that I have seen move from campaign to campaign every time there is opening so no one feels am attacking him.

I know alot of us will say it is the difference in weekly reward, that the higher the reward the more people move to campaigns with better payments. But I have seen where members go from better pay rates to the ones with lower rates and lower posts requirements. Some apply to campaign of the same manager in less than a week of getting accepted and they want to move again, the same payment and number of posts. I have also seen those who have refused to move to campaigns with better rates, they will be picked if they applied because of their good posts. They choose to remain. Is it about loyalty? Is it that they are scared of switching? Is it about fulfilment with where they are?

And for those who move always, is it money driving the motive? Is it about going to where those they see as family move to? I want to know. Some days ago I was surprised to see someone who has stayed in a campaign for more than three years. He was with BestChange. Alot of people can not remain there because there are many campaigns paying higher rates than the campaign he was with but he remained until yesterday that he moved to another campaign. Three years is like a lifetime, both for the campaign running and the member who remained faithful to it.

What makes members move everytime? I need your contribution on this to make me understand it better.

I consider it imperative to move to campaigns with better pay and lesser rigid terms. The major reason why I will most likely leave a campaign is because it is the best campaign that offers better terms than I currently hold. Apart from this, the league of applicants in that campaign, for example, campaigns with only legendary, hero and senior members of the forum as eligibles. It tells that such campaigns are dire serious and conditions will be standard.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: CCMS on October 12, 2023, 04:48:06 PM
This reminded me of the question : "WHy do people change partners always" .


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Woodie on October 13, 2023, 07:19:19 AM
Maybe this discussion started the matter, but icopress implemented a new rule when we talked about switching from campaign to campaign. It is clear what is to be achieved in this way, but I am not sure about the sustainability of this rule.
I think the icopress approach is meant to preserve value on all the past work done and paid for and I like it , especially incorporated with the rule of not jumping to a competitor project means all posts benefit the project that paid for it and not the new sig company being promoted, hence jumpers are most likely not his target market.


This reminded me of the question : "WHy do people change partners always" .
Lol now this is funny  ;D but honestly can we compare signature campaigns to a real life relationship lol


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: EarnOnVictor on October 15, 2023, 08:33:59 AM
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It's a free market and nobody should be forcing anyone to be where they don't want to be. Loyalty can't be forced upon you, otherwise it's not real loyalty. It's based on fear and uncertainty. You choose who or what you want to be loyal to because it's not a requirement that someone should make you respect.    
I'm 100% with you when it comes to campaigns, I don't expect the most qualified people to be held somewhere in the name of loyalty. If at all, the loyalty must always be relative to something (pay and value), not on a compulsion basis.

It happens in real life in a centralized system as well, once you are qualified for higher benefits, you try your luck and let the market forces play their role, especially if you are a dedicated campaigner. In the second to the last campaign I was in, the value was paid in BTC and there was a time I received $49+ in a week while elsewhere with a bonus of the same rank as mine received almost twice it.

It will not pinch if I did less work, I did more posting than anybody there and my posts are of quality. I don't expect to be loyal to such a campaign in the long run. It was only hurt that I parted ways early with a new campaign manager.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Dunamisx on October 20, 2023, 05:05:07 PM
This reminded me of the question : "WHy do people change partners always" .

You can't compare this to changing campaigns, having a partner is a lifetime contract under for better for worse, except for death, another instance is when there's separation due to misunderstandings, they may decide to part ways, but how many people are involved in this kind of act, the conditions given in joining a signature campaign may not be favourable for you anymore and you can make a decision of changing or leaving at any time, everyone work for the organization that signed us in because we are fine with the conditions attached.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: BitcoinsGreat on October 21, 2023, 10:26:03 PM
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It's a free market and nobody should be forcing anyone to be where they don't want to be. Loyalty can't be forced upon you, otherwise it's not real loyalty. It's based on fear and uncertainty. You choose who or what you want to be loyal to because it's not a requirement that someone should make you respect.     

It's more related to the better signature payments than the Loyalty itself. When anyone gets selected in a campaign, which pays more than the current one, the people will usually switch the campaigns. There may be few so called "Loyal" to the company who will not switch but do you think that the company they are promoting with always remain loyal to them?

We sometimes see that the company downsizes the signature participants and sometimes if a more trusted member applies to a campaign, the company may not take time to replace those "Loyal" participants.

To be straightforward, just like the company wants the best participants in the campaign, it is the right of the Signature participants to keep finding the best campaign for themselves too.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: taufik123 on October 22, 2023, 01:47:28 AM
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To be straightforward, just like the company wants the best participants in the campaign, it is the right of the Signature participants to keep finding the best campaign for themselves too.
As in some signature campaigns that update the rules to find the best members with high-quality contributions.
And it won't look at who is more loyal, but at how qualified the member is while in the campaign.

If there is no good development or just paying off the posting target without any quality improvement, there is nothing to care about.
And this also depends on how the developer wants the best participants and replaces them with other and more competent ones.

See how @Royse777's signature campaign gave special payouts to members with over 3.5k merits and higher minimum posts.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/10/22/TZjId.png
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5419242.0

and in the signature campaign @yahoo62278 uses a rule for selected participants to get 1 merit/week,if you can't get it you can still get half the payment.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/10/22/TZr55.png
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5415844.msg61057317


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Pmalek on October 22, 2023, 07:05:47 AM
and in the signature campaign @yahoo62278 uses a rule for selected participants to get 1 merit/week,if you can't get it you can still get half the payment.
I didn't know about that rule. Getting at least one merit shouldn't be difficult even for decent posters, let alone the best ones but I still don't like it. Regardless of what anyone says, getting merits is also a popularity contest and it greatly depends on where the person posts the most. Those posts could be merit-worthy, but because they are in subs where there aren't any merit sources or the person isn't very likable by the community for whatever reason, they might not even get that one merit a week. That doesn't necessarily mean their posts weren't good enough. Besides, the campaign got the promotion they wanted and so they should pay for it in full, not half.

The first person that comes to mind is franky1. I don't even think he can get into a good campaign because of his many negative tags, and there are many people on the forum that he irritates, and they don't like him. No idea how many merits the dude gets per week, but I don't think it's many because he gets on everyone's nerves all the time. Whatever he receives, he would earn many more if he wasn't like that. Still, he isn't an unknowledgeable shit poster that shouldn't get paid because he lacks the needed popularity.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: BitcoinsGreat on October 22, 2023, 07:44:02 AM
-snip-
To be straightforward, just like the company wants the best participants in the campaign, it is the right of the Signature participants to keep finding the best campaign for themselves too.
As in some signature campaigns that update the rules to find the best members with high-quality contributions.
And it won't look at who is more loyal, but at how qualified the member is while in the campaign.

If there is no good development or just paying off the posting target without any quality improvement, there is nothing to care about.
And this also depends on how the developer wants the best participants and replaces them with other and more competent ones.

See how @Royse777's signature campaign gave special payouts to members with over 3.5k merits and higher minimum posts.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/10/22/TZjId.png
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5419242.0

and in the signature campaign @yahoo62278 uses a rule for selected participants to get 1 merit/week,if you can't get it you can still get half the payment.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/10/22/TZr55.png
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5415844.msg61057317

Those examples of different campaigns of getting the perfect members for the campaign are perfectly fine. Since the companies are promoting their products, they will always want to hire the best of the best. We never mind that, do we?

My only point of view is that if a Signature Campaign Member changes the campaigns often, he should not be looked in a bad way as not being loyal or something. For sure, he got selected in campaigns because he is a quality poster. He also got a better opportunity and he moved.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: taufik123 on October 22, 2023, 07:45:13 AM
I didn't know about that rule. Getting at least one merit shouldn't be difficult even for decent posters, let alone the best ones but I still don't like it. Regardless of what anyone says, getting merits is also a popularity contest and it greatly depends on where the person posts the most.
I also only found out about the rules made by yahoo after looking through the old campaign.
But in the new campaign, the rule is no longer written.
Yes, but it's a rule that can be changed at any time because he is the manager.

Those posts could be merit-worthy, but because they are in subs where there aren't any merit sources or the person isn't very likable by the community for whatever reason, they might not even get that one merit a week. That doesn't necessarily mean there posts weren't good enough. Besides, the campaign got the promotion they wanted and so they should pay for it in full, not half.
This is what I often feel, when I'm in the wrong circle no matter how good the quality is it won't mean anything.
But when I find a good circle that accepts me, it's even easier to get.
And yes, the home that I still love is in my Local Board.

The first person that comes to mind is franky1. I don't even think he can get into a good campaign because of his many negative tags, and there are many people on the forum that he irritates, and they don't like him. No idea how many merits the dude gets per week, but I don't think it's many because he gets on everyone's nerves all the time. Whatever he receives, he would earn many more if he wasn't like that. Still, he isn't an unknowledgeable shit poster that shouldn't get paid because he lacks the needed popularity.
In regards to @franky1, he's a pretty cool member, active, and always full of controversy.
A few days ago had a debate in my thread about Lightning Network with senior members.
He doesn't seem to like Lightning Network very much and keeps attacking it.
Although full of controversy and some negative assumptions, he is a genius member and often gets on everyone's nerves.
And he's a poster who doesn't support any projects.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Pmalek on October 22, 2023, 08:14:31 AM
This is what I often feel, when I'm in the wrong circle no matter how good the quality is it won't mean anything.
But when I find a good circle that accepts me, it's even easier to get.
My point exactly. Your posting didn't change from good quality to bad quality and back to good quality, you were just writing in the "wrong" places at the time. I am someone who likes to visit many subs, probably about 10 or so. Everyone knows that certain boards receive more merits than the others. So, when I am reading and writing in less merited subs, I sometimes go 3-4 days without getting a single merit. That negative run could potentially increase to more days. And then I find something worth discussing in a "better" place on the forum and get 10-20 merits for those posts. That only goes to show that you have to be at the right place at the right time and with the right sets of eyes looking at you.   

In regards to @franky1, he's a pretty cool member, active, and always full of controversy.
A few days ago had a debate in my thread about Lightning Network with senior members.
He doesn't seem to like Lightning Network very much and keeps attacking it.
Yeah, franky1 hates LN with a passion and considers it an altcoin. He was also banned from posting in the technical discussion areas of the forum for that and other reasons, which would again limit his abilities to regularly receive merits.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: yahoo62278 on October 22, 2023, 04:25:38 PM
and in the signature campaign @yahoo62278 uses a rule for selected participants to get 1 merit/week,if you can't get it you can still get half the payment.
I didn't know about that rule. Getting at least one merit shouldn't be difficult even for decent posters, let alone the best ones but I still don't like it. Regardless of what anyone says, getting merits is also a popularity contest and it greatly depends on where the person posts the most. Those posts could be merit-worthy, but because they are in subs where there aren't any merit sources or the person isn't very likable by the community for whatever reason, they might not even get that one merit a week. That doesn't necessarily mean their posts weren't good enough. Besides, the campaign got the promotion they wanted and so they should pay for it in full, not half.


The rule was 1 I was trying out, Compared to what some of the other managers require to even be accepted, I don't think it's a bad ask from participants. Trying to give some of the people who get passed over a chance to grow.

Regardless, you are semi correct. I do feel like merit is a popularity contest. It's totally worthless for Legendary members, just bragging rights yet you see Legendary members getting merited for everything.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Ultegra134 on October 22, 2023, 04:51:57 PM
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It's a free market and nobody should be forcing anyone to be where they don't want to be. Loyalty can't be forced upon you, otherwise it's not real loyalty. It's based on fear and uncertainty. You choose who or what you want to be loyal to because it's not a requirement that someone should make you respect.    
I'm 100% with you when it comes to campaigns, I don't expect the most qualified people to be held somewhere in the name of loyalty. If at all, the loyalty must always be relative to something (pay and value), not on a compulsion basis.

It happens in real life in a centralized system as well, once you are qualified for higher benefits, you try your luck and let the market forces play their role, especially if you are a dedicated campaigner. In the second to the last campaign I was in, the value was paid in BTC and there was a time I received $49+ in a week while elsewhere with a bonus of the same rank as mine received almost twice it.

It will not pinch if I did less work, I did more posting than anybody there and my posts are of quality. I don't expect to be loyal to such a campaign in the long run. It was only hurt that I parted ways early with a new campaign manager.
As someone who generally prefers a stable environment, I don't mind staying loyal. I've been in the Roobet campaign for over two years and I'm satisfied with the requirements and the payment rates are generally fine, not the highest paying one, but decent enough. Thus, I personally don't see a reason to look for another. It's understandable that people are switching campaigns, as newer ones keep appearing and may pay higher rates. It's nothing different with job hopping, it's way more probable to achieve a higher salary by changing jobs, rather than wait for an increase.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Z-tight on October 22, 2023, 05:34:46 PM
That only goes to show that you have to be at the right place at the right time and with the right sets of eyes looking at you.    
This is true, to earn merits you have to earn them from others and to do that you have to show up in sections where merit sources and generous merit givers read and post in, most of the members who earn a lot of merits make really good posts in a lot of sections. So if for any reason you make most of your posts in sections where the most generous merit givers do not have their eyes on, you'll probably go long periods without being merited.

I also believe your 'merit fans' and how popular you are is also important, there are certain members who would naturally like most of the things you post, and if you are so good or lucky enough to have a lot of merit sources as merit fans, you'll be earning a lot of merits.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: taufik123 on October 22, 2023, 10:20:23 PM
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That only goes to show that you have to be at the right place at the right time and with the right sets of eyes looking at you.   
Yes, I understand about that, the point is that we have to be in the right circle to get more benefits compared to other places that do not have the same view and like being a stranger in someone else's place.

Yeah, franky1 hates LN with a passion and considers it an altcoin. He was also banned from posting in the technical discussion areas of the forum for that and other reasons, which would again limit his abilities to regularly receive merits.
franky1 is just one of those forum members who are passionate about his arguments, always consistent with what he likes and what he doesn't like.
There are several other members who have the same disposition as franky1 and they continue to attack what they think is right and oppose anyone who disagrees.



The rule was 1 I was trying out, Compared to what some of the other managers require to even be accepted, I don't think it's a bad ask from participants. Trying to give some of the people who get passed over a chance to grow.

Regardless, you are semi correct. I do feel like merit is a popularity contest. It's totally worthless for Legendary members, just bragging rights yet you see Legendary members getting merited for everything.
And thank you @yahoo62278 for being there to explain the rule, even though in the latest campaign the rule is no longer used.
But it was a different rule to the other managers, suppressing those who missed out on developing, but it did become a bragging point for the legendary members.



-snip-
Thus, I personally don't see a reason to look for another. It's understandable that people are switching campaigns, as newer ones keep appearing and may pay higher rates. It's nothing different with job hopping, it's way more probable to achieve a higher salary by changing jobs, rather than wait for an increase.
You are a member who is loyal to your current campaign.
Moreover, if some of the rules have changed and you can still survive, then you deserve to be in that campaign.
However, you can still look for other campaigns that are still accepting new participants.



-snip-
I also believe your 'merit fans' and how popular you are is also important, there are certain members who would naturally like most of the things you post, and if you are so good or lucky enough to have a lot of merit sources as merit fans, you'll be earning a lot of merits.
Getting many sources of achievements is an advantage, but it will be proportional to the quality of the posts you provide.
If the quality of your posts decreases they won't give you anything either.
But some local or non-local achievement sources will always reward those who deserve it.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Pmalek on October 23, 2023, 04:07:04 PM
I do feel like merit is a popularity contest. It's totally worthless for Legendary members, just bragging rights yet you see Legendary members getting merited for everything.
It depends. If you are an active campaign participant, the merits are important even for legendary accounts. We have seen many campaigns where the earned merits in the last 120 days are taken into account. Nowadays, we are seeing campaigns where there is a merit-rank, enabling those with 3k or 4k of earned merits better pay rates than the rest of the participants. If you earn 2k and start thinking, now I don't care anymore and can relax, your position may be filled by someone who didn't relax. So, they have their uses. Let's call it that. 


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: examplens on October 23, 2023, 04:31:48 PM
Nowadays, we are seeing campaigns where there is a merit-rank, enabling those with 3k or 4k of earned merits better pay rates than the rest of the participants. If you earn 2k and start thinking, now I don't care anymore and can relax, your position may be filled by someone who didn't relax. So, they have their uses. Let's call it that. 

You are absolutely right here, although I see it differently. In terms of merit, it should not be normal for the user to "relax" and not earn more merits. I want to say, does it have to be a battle for every merit or should it still be possible to get them with a relaxed attitude towards it?
Should Legendary users submit their posts in various prize "unmerited post to be merited" contests, or create an endless "overview of XYZ" threads, which was able to help in getting merit?


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Pmalek on October 24, 2023, 03:36:00 PM
In terms of merit, it should not be normal for the user to "relax" and not earn more merits.
It shouldn't but that's exactly what can happen if you do. Apply that in every segment in life. If you don't do your best, you can't expect the best results and/or the greatest rewards. Those who work harder, will reap more benefits.

I want to say, does it have to be a battle for every merit or should it still be possible to get them with a relaxed attitude towards it?
You are not going to get them in the same quantity if you stop caring what you write and how. The content might still be merit-worthy to some degree but not like if you really applied yourself.

Should Legendary users submit their posts in various prize "unmerited post to be merited" contests, or create an endless "overview of XYZ" threads, which was able to help in getting merit?
Everyone does what they believe they should. If legendary users stopped writing quality threads and posts, I don't think low-level account holders will do it instead. The forum would then be at a loss regardless of the motives behind those posts. 


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on October 24, 2023, 04:10:19 PM
What makes members move everytime? I need your contribution on this to make me understand it better.
I was with Stake for long time. What I remember is, I realized Stake was paying better than the existing campaign I was in [I can not remember which one I was with LOL] so I thought to talk to their campaign manager. She was nice and also understand what I will accept and what not. I had two requests [1.] I don't want to replace my avatar [2.] receive the expected payment I think is okay with me.

After discussing many things, many possibilities she agreed and I was promoting Stake.

Then a few weeks ago Coins.Game manager reached out to me and showed his interest to help the brand. The project looks promising and challenging. I also like the way he approached and wanted help. Additionally he offered me a better pay rate too. I felt okay with it. So I went back to Stake management, told them if they are fine if I want to move from them. They offered me some alternatives, it's not that I did not like but I wanted to take some new challenge but with less work [lazy LOL, it keeps my mind fresh].

I think people change campaign is because, first they want a better pay rate, second the respect and honor you receive from the people you are co-operating with.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Agbe on October 24, 2023, 05:09:23 PM
I think people change campaign is because, first they want a better pay rate, second the respect and honor you receive from the people you are co-operating with.
You have said well. These are the two major ones making people to change campaigns and mostly the first one. And also add it to what you have said, the latest exhibition of campaign managers to Participants also contributing to the changing of Campaign, like campaign managers remove participants from their campaigns without prior warning so with that there is no loyalty from the participants again. Campaign managers have to respect the participants as well so that there would be mutual friendship so that when a participant want to leave a campaign then the both parties would understand themselves and peaceful exit would take place. Like as you did is the perfect way to do it. When a participant is not doing well again, make a comment on the spreadsheet or pm so the person can sit up again, writing is not easy and not all time one has something to write. There are sometimes you navigate through the forum but nothing to write about. Though one of the rules in Campaign is to remove lost quality posts without warning but to have peaceful coexistence write small note for them. Like my present campaign manager, he does write note on those who were not doing well and if they persist for 2 or 3 he would remove them. That is nice because he has informed them but they could not meet up the demand. There should be respect from the both sides.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Ultegra134 on October 25, 2023, 09:16:57 PM
I do feel like merit is a popularity contest. It's totally worthless for Legendary members, just bragging rights yet you see Legendary members getting merited for everything.
It depends. If you are an active campaign participant, the merits are important even for legendary accounts. We have seen many campaigns where the earned merits in the last 120 days are taken into account. Nowadays, we are seeing campaigns where there is a merit-rank, enabling those with 3k or 4k of earned merits better pay rates than the rest of the participants. If you earn 2k and start thinking, now I don't care anymore and can relax, your position may be filled by someone who didn't relax. So, they have their uses. Let's call it that. 
Someone who's capable of acquiring 2.000 merit in the first place is likely to earn more without any extravagant effort, firstly due to their status and secondly due to their knowledge. It's unlikely that someone with a legendary account with so much merit would sit back and relax and start posting gibberish. Creating constructive content isn't that difficult after all; it's possible if you're determined and patient enough.

However, I understand your point; this scenario is more probable with someone who ranks up from Full Member to Sr.Member or Hero, where you practically reach the peak of the signature campaign payment rates.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on October 27, 2023, 11:13:51 AM
Most conditions attached to change of campaign is because of payrate, this payrate we are also talking about is not the fault of the campaigns manager, it's what their clients wants, you could discover some are paying high while some moderately, we can also look into the organization financial strength and capability, we all know what we want irrespective of the type of campaign, high paying campaigns last and same also are some low paying campaigns which do last as well, but our individual conclusion on wether staying or not depends on the campaign requirements and payrate as well.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: TheUltraElite on October 27, 2023, 12:27:27 PM
I am one of those users who tend to stick with the campaign as long as it runs even if a new campaign comes up with a bigger pay for my rank. Call me lazy but having to adjust to a routine that would be new, I tend to not change campaigns unless the last one ends or shuts down or plain stops paying.

Considering the reason for being on this forum is making money for most people, I can understand that they will look for better opportunities that pay their posts, but I like to stress the manager less from my side. Can only start to think the sheer amount of extra work that managers have to put in when a large volume of flux happens. ;D


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: johnsaributua on October 28, 2023, 02:50:57 AM

~snipp~And for those who move always, is it money driving the motive? ~snipp~

  Maybe, some posters who already have a good reputation, the quality of their posts and have the required merits they will take the opportunity and look for several managers who have a relatively long campaign duration, managers are not all the same and rarely even given esrow first, in other words there are also paid impromptu by the dev himself [the manager only checks to manage the posts of participants who are accepted], sometimes it is so and it is not an open secret to know the manager one by one and the campaign signature project that is managed means that it already has a characteristic and rating in the eyes of the posters here.

  On the other hand for posters who are difficult to accept in the weekly campaign will definitely regret and swear, it's normal  ???. the value I take is that there are posters who are easy and there are those who are difficult in applying, even though the potential is the same but the correction is only in each person.

I do feel like merit is a popularity contest. It's totally worthless for Legendary members, just bragging rights yet you see Legendary members getting merited for everything.
It depends. If you are an active campaign participant, the merits are important even for legendary accounts. We have seen many campaigns where the earned merits in the last 120 days are taken into account. Nowadays, we are seeing campaigns where there is a merit-rank, enabling those with 3k or 4k of earned merits better pay rates than the rest of the participants. If you earn 2k and start thinking, now I don't care anymore and can relax, your position may be filled by someone who didn't relax. So, they have their uses. Let's call it that.  
Someone who's capable of acquiring 2.000 merit in the first place is likely to earn more without any extravagant effort, firstly due to their status and secondly due to their knowledge. It's unlikely that someone with a legendary account with so much merit would sit back and relax and start posting gibberish. Creating constructive content isn't that difficult after all; it's possible if you're determined and patient enough.

However, I understand your point; this scenario is more probable with someone who ranks up from Full Member to Sr.Member or Hero, where you practically reach the peak of the signature campaign payment rates.
  Excuse me sir, I realized that there are several legendary members or rank up above me, which I admire and have not put up a signature or not followed any manager's siganture campaign for a long time, their activeness is very loyal and the merits they get are increasing drastically from day to day, I assume that quality posts by some people are based on daily habbits by strengthening themselves and getting used to having a good quality mindset, that's why I'm excited until now and embarrassed, even accounts like mine are even lazy to look for new things, they have to keep learning and not just expect fortune to come, it makes me a little surprised with myself.

  Regarding merit as popularity or pride, for me it is natural with his results up to that point, because I am struggling to increase rank, the biggest rival is with myself. in the past I was satisfied with my performance or did not want to develop. and in the end I blamed the situation because it was difficult to find a signature, now I am aware and sincere that fortune will not come if I am silent, and my presence rarely may affect the views of others.

  Whatever the number of merits and pay will not be the main goal if the habit is to be active and contribute to the forum, but if there are few merits for people who are always complacent, of course they will feel themselves better than others like I felt before, and I had a vacuum, a few years ago, It's been 12 months since I became active again and I'm enjoying the ride, sir.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Z-tight on October 29, 2023, 01:03:54 PM
like campaign managers remove participants from their campaigns without prior warning so with that there is no loyalty from the participants again. Campaign managers have to respect the participants as well so that there would be mutual friendship so that when a participant want to leave a campaign then the both parties would understand themselves and peaceful exit would take place.
It is hard to take if a member is removed from a campaign that they enjoy advertising, but take note that every campaign manager reserves the right to remove participants without warning or notice and you can find that information in the rules of every campaign thread.
There should be respect from the both sides.
I agree, and i think most managers usually leave notes of warning to participants that they think aren't advertising the project well and even for some who don't leave notes, they do not just remove members if they have a 'bad' few weeks, but after months and months of really poor posting habits.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: taufik123 on October 29, 2023, 02:16:10 PM
Someone who's capable of acquiring 2.000 merit in the first place is likely to earn more without any extravagant effort, firstly due to their status and secondly due to their knowledge. It's unlikely that someone with a legendary account with so much merit would sit back and relax and start posting gibberish. Creating constructive content isn't that difficult after all; it's possible if you're determined and patient enough.
-snip-
Extensive knowledge will affect the quality of the constructive content created.
Seniors or even those who are new but have good knowledge and content quality will easily get many merits, they are really serious in responding to every discussion, thus providing a solution, not just nonsense.

Some other legendary accounts with minimal merit may just create nonsense posts, because they are already in a safe zone with a signature campaign that pays for it, but in the end, when the rules change it will be the reason why they are kicked out.



-snip-
I agree, and i think most managers usually leave notes of warning to participants that they think aren't advertising the project well and even for some who don't leave notes, they do not just remove members if they have a 'bad' few weeks, but after months and months of really poor posting habits.
A manager who leaves a note about how they did in 1 week is a warning that should be evaluated.
Sometimes there are managers who don't give any warnings, but as the rules change in the campaign and developers want quality participants, those who don't have good progress will be kicked out immediately.

Improving all the time is necessary.
It's also a warning to myself to keep improving and not just give crap.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Agbe on October 29, 2023, 04:30:31 PM
It is hard to take if a member is removed from a campaign that they enjoy advertising, but take note that every campaign manager reserves the right to remove participants without warning or notice and you can find that information in the rules of every campaign thread.
I know that all the campaigns have that warning but one thing the managements have to know is that the participants are not robots but humans who use their brains and also have other works in real life. So they are sometimes they might produce low and high. There are sometimes a participant might not even know what he is writing, and many reputable members have also testified to this. As I said earlier, some managers understand those things and give warning from one to two and if the user is still on low quality then he or she would be kick out. And one thing we have to know is that mistake must come the matter the person is knowledgeable and brilliant. Well forum frown at low quality and there are different ways low quality post can be produced. And everyone view post from different perspective.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: yahoo62278 on October 29, 2023, 04:37:09 PM
I do feel like merit is a popularity contest. It's totally worthless for Legendary members, just bragging rights yet you see Legendary members getting merited for everything.
It depends. If you are an active campaign participant, the merits are important even for legendary accounts. We have seen many campaigns where the earned merits in the last 120 days are taken into account. Nowadays, we are seeing campaigns where there is a merit-rank, enabling those with 3k or 4k of earned merits better pay rates than the rest of the participants. If you earn 2k and start thinking, now I don't care anymore and can relax, your position may be filled by someone who didn't relax. So, they have their uses. Let's call it that. 
I suppose you have a point. I have been getting custom sig deals for years now that usually have no merit requirement, so I don't really pay attention to merits. I have used a must earn 1 merit per week rule in a couple campaigns and wasn't really a fan of it. Should merit earning be taken into consideration? Maybe, but post history and quality is much more important to look at. Some deserve merits and don't get them which makes the system unfair. Wouldn't like to see a great forum contributor over
looked because he didn't earn x amount of merits.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Ultegra134 on October 29, 2023, 04:41:07 PM
Someone who's capable of acquiring 2.000 merit in the first place is likely to earn more without any extravagant effort, firstly due to their status and secondly due to their knowledge. It's unlikely that someone with a legendary account with so much merit would sit back and relax and start posting gibberish. Creating constructive content isn't that difficult after all; it's possible if you're determined and patient enough.
-snip-
Extensive knowledge will affect the quality of the constructive content created.
Seniors or even those who are new but have good knowledge and content quality will easily get many merits, they are really serious in responding to every discussion, thus providing a solution, not just nonsense.

Some other legendary accounts with minimal merit may just create nonsense posts, because they are already in a safe zone with a signature campaign that pays for it, but in the end, when the rules change it will be the reason why they are kicked out.
That's correct; your rank doesn't necessarily mean that you're knowledgeable. I've seen plenty of Jr. Members up to Full Members contributing vastly to the forum and assisting other users by providing technical knowledge regarding Bitcoin, networks, wallets, and so on. On the other hand, there are high-ranking members who had ranked up before the merit system was introduced and are still posting gibberish in known spam sections of the forum.
A manager who leaves a note about how they did in 1 week is a warning that should be evaluated.
Sometimes there are managers who don't give any warnings, but as the rules change in the campaign and developers want quality participants, those who don't have good progress will be kicked out immediately.

Improving all the time is necessary.
It's also a warning to myself to keep improving and not just give crap.
I also believe that warnings should be given before removing a signature campaign member if a deteriorating performance is found. It could be a case of personal matters that may have impacted his or her performance. However, if it's a continuous issue, no more than two warnings should be given.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Rikafip on October 29, 2023, 08:25:22 PM
Wouldn't like to see a great forum contributor overlooked because he didn't earn x amount of merits.
There's so much merit being shared (combination of theymos increasing merit source allocation 2 years ago and fewer quality membera) that even average members make pretty solid amount of merit so chances that someone very good to be overlooked when it comes to merit are slim. Unless that person is mostly writing in gambling board which is still seriously undermited.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Pmalek on October 30, 2023, 05:22:39 PM
There's so much merit being shared (combination of theymos increasing merit source allocation 2 years ago and fewer quality membera) that even average members make pretty solid amount of merit so chances that someone very good to be overlooked when it comes to merit are slim. Unless that person is mostly writing in gambling board which is still seriously undermited.
Perhaps that can change in the near future if theymos or Cyrus approve cryptofrka's merit source application that specifically targets the gambling board as a destination to distribute merits. I also wonder if there is a handful of quality contributors in the altcoin boards or is that a cancer that no one can control any longer? Some time ago, a user applied to become an altcoin-board merit source, but I can't remember how that story ended.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Rikafip on October 30, 2023, 05:38:08 PM
Perhaps that can change in the near future if theymos or Cyrus approve cryptofrka's merit source application that specifically targets the gambling board as a destination to distribute merits.
I do believe that his merit appliucation will be eventually approved but I don't think that it will happen anytime soon. From what I noticed, theymos usually introduce new merit sources/removes inactive ones and generlaly readjust merit source allocation only when there's a big drop in the amount of merit shared and if you check the merit stats you will notice that those number still look pretty good compared to 2 years ago when theymos did the last readjustment. Add on that the fact that activity has been constantly decreasing (not in gambling board though) which is another factor that might affect his decision


Some time ago, a user applied to become an altcoin-board merit source, but I can't remember how that story ended.
Probably not good given their measly merit/post ratio (for example, Altcoin Discussion board had only 0.05 merits/post last month).


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: examplens on October 30, 2023, 07:28:20 PM
Some time ago, a user applied to become an altcoin-board merit source, but I can't remember how that story ended.
Probably not good given their measly merit/post ratio (for example, Altcoin Discussion board had only 0.05 merits/post last month).

I very rarely go to the altcoin section, I only check a few coins sometimes to see if there is any news. However, I saw that almost all campaign managers do not count posts from altcoin discussions, I believe they recognized the poor quality of the posts there. But 0.05 merits/post is a really bad ratio, it seems to be worse than I thought.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Rikafip on October 30, 2023, 08:49:21 PM
But 0.05 merits/post is a really bad ratio, it seems to be worse than I thought.
As a matter of fact, that 0.05 merit/post ratio is actually pretty decent for Altcoin Discussion as their total average since 2018 up until now is only 0.02. To put things into perpsective and to show how low that is, even Off Topic board has higher overall merit/post ratio (0.07) and we all know about generally poor quality of posts there.

Anyway, if you are curious about some other boards merit/post ratios, you can find them on Merit Dashboard.  (https://public.tableau.com/views/BitcointalkMeritDashboard/MeritperPost?:language=en-US&:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link)


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Pmalek on October 31, 2023, 04:22:36 PM
Probably not good given their measly merit/post ratio (for example, Altcoin Discussion board had only 0.05 merits/post last month).
Even if there is a merit source there, I still wouldn't expect impressive results when you consider how many posts that board generates and how much of that is complete nonsense. If that person had 100 merits to allocate, they would probably still suffer finding enough good posts in any given month. 


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Rikafip on October 31, 2023, 06:51:28 PM
Even if there is a merit source there, I still wouldn't expect impressive results when you consider how many posts that board generates and how much of that is complete nonsense. If that person had 100 merits to allocate, they would probably still suffer finding enough good posts in any given month. 
You are right, quality of discussion is really low and altcoin lovers found other places to discuss. Then again, if there are more merit sources present there maybe people would put more effort into their posts while now they know that no one really cares so they don't bother.

Altcoin board is in such a big mess that lack of merit sources is least of its worries, imho.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: TheUltraElite on November 01, 2023, 02:27:37 PM
Maybe, but post history and quality is much more important to look at. Some deserve merits and don't get them which makes the system unfair. Wouldn't like to see a great forum contributor over
looked because he didn't earn x amount of merits.
Consider having made a constraint of n-merits/week to stay in the campaign, that would mean more of shady merit exchange dealing happening. In my opinion this type of rule should not be made in any stage in future. But am I just being paranoid to go against the system?

If the distribution of merit was equal in every section you posted in, maybe then this could have been put in. Just consider Bitcoin Discussion section and the Good/Bad post ratio, that is obviously <1.0 and merit sources will not look through them.

Post history and variation is the number of sections they post in would be a better parameter, but as a former campaign member myself, others might think I am being biased.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: albon on November 02, 2023, 12:03:02 AM
What makes members move everytime? I need your contribution on this to make me understand it better.
If I were a campaign manager, I would be annoyed by these members whom I accept from among hundreds of other member applications. Then, they move from my campaign to other campaigns as soon after they are accepted or even without completing a single week of work. I know that it's their entire right, but instead of wasting the campaign manager's time, they could, from the beginning, choose a campaign whose rules, weekly posting requirements, and payment rates align with their preferences. As the previous members mentioned, and I agree, one of the reasons they move every time is because there is another campaign with higher payment rates than the one they are in. However, what if this campaign, which they moved to, ended quickly after the completion of its promotional period, and they were surprised that the campaign they left was long-term? Honestly, those who work in signature campaigns and have been accepted into one should consider it a work contract they must abide by and remain in for a reasonable period without constantly moving from one campaign to another every time... because this will prove that this member is not disciplined and does not deserve further consideration for his joining application for future campaigns or is not a good decision-maker and will cause annoyances for the campaign manager.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: blckhawk on November 03, 2023, 07:27:19 AM
If I were a campaign manager, I would be annoyed by these members whom I accept from among hundreds of other member applications. Then, they move from my campaign to other campaigns as soon after they are accepted or even without completing a single week of work. I know that it's their entire right, but instead of wasting the campaign manager's time, they could, from the beginning, choose a campaign whose rules, weekly posting requirements, and payment rates align with their preferences.
Too bad you aren't a campaign manager. To be fair though, this people that you're talking about that are jumping from campaign to campaign are easily accepted in campaign so they're going to be doing that because there's nothing wrong with that and it's only annoying to the manager. Try that on other users that are diligently applying on campaigns but always getting rejected because of low merits or any other requirements not being met, I'm telling you, you will definitely get the most loyal posters although the only problem with that is they're quality in posts will not be to the best level. Regards to the reason why they move from campaign to campaign probably got to do with the campaign manager, they might want to work on this campaign manager than the previous one.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on November 14, 2023, 02:42:38 PM
Since there's no law that restrict anyone from changing signature campaign as they want as long as it not violating against the campaign or forum rules, it's our individual choice to choose to stay leave or apply to anyone we wish to work for, but most importantly is that they have to always read about the rules and regulations of the campaign before applying to know if the conditions are going to be convenient for them or not.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Helena Yu on November 14, 2023, 03:08:54 PM
I'm telling you, you will definitely get the most loyal posters although the only problem with that is they're quality in posts will not be to the best level.
It's really full of assumption, I don't think they're loyal instead they've tried to apply on other campaign, but got rejected. That's why you see them are loyal since they don't have any option to migrate.

If I were a campaign manager, I would be annoyed by these members whom I accept from among hundreds of other member applications.
The good thing is there are few campaign managers not taking a personal when they faced such people ;D, although they didn't mention if they're fine with that or get annoyed just like what you said above.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: TheUltraElite on November 14, 2023, 04:22:25 PM
Since there's no law that restrict anyone from changing signature campaign as they want as long as it not violating against the campaign or forum rules, it's our individual choice to choose to stay leave or apply to anyone we wish to work for, but most importantly is that they have to always read about the rules and regulations of the campaign before applying to know if the conditions are going to be convenient for them or not.
A "law" would be a big term to apply in this scenario. More like an unspoken rule would be more appropriate, since many people use the forum as a means to provide service and get paid for it.

Some managers may have a internal rule to give less priority to those who switch campaigns too quickly. This from the manager's perspective can be annoying but considering the participant's side, a better work opportunity is defenitely welcome if they are fit for it.

I personally become lazy with the status quo and tend to stick to the campaign till it ends or they get bored of me and downsize me out. I was in Roobet for a long time with only 70$/week, left only because they decided to downsize the campaign.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on November 15, 2023, 11:21:30 AM
Since there's no law that restrict anyone from changing signature campaign as they want as long as it not violating against the campaign or forum rules, it's our individual choice to choose to stay leave or apply to anyone we wish to work for, but most importantly is that they have to always read about the rules and regulations of the campaign before applying to know if the conditions are going to be convenient for them or not.
A "law" would be a big term to apply in this scenario. More like an unspoken rule would be more appropriate, since many people use the forum as a means to provide service and get paid for it.

Some managers may have a internal rule to give less priority to those who switch campaigns too quickly. This from the manager's perspective can be annoying but considering the participant's side, a better work opportunity is defenitely welcome if they are fit for it.

I personally become lazy with the status quo and tend to stick to the campaign till it ends or they get bored of me and downsize me out. I was in Roobet for a long time with only 70$/week, left only because they decided to downsize the campaign.

Having a signature campaign opportunity for participation is not that easy, because the manager will have to check in wether the applicant meet up with the minimum requirements for participation, also they will have to check in their profile history most importantly, just as the way an applicant can decided on which signature campaign they want to participate in, also is the same way the campaign managers go in scrutinizing those they want and think could give the best promotions to their service.


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: wallet4bitcoin on November 26, 2023, 03:49:13 AM
how it was answered correctly by @_act_ , this depends on an economic motivation or in general for personal advantage of participant (likewise, maybe a signature requires fewer messages to write or accepts posts from more sections or simply a certain service is about to close)...




Crystal clear!

Various reasons sponsors the need for which a member might decide to switch signature campaigns but the two obvious reasons are the number of posts per week and the pay rate per comment or per week.

People pay keen attention to these points as they are often not within their control but the managers' and its also standard and non-negotiable. In some cases, the minimum post requirements are not stated, only maximum.
It can be said that such posts mut be completed for payment eligibilities else all efforts for that week will be nolified. People get uncomfortable with such and want to switch to another campaign with better conditions


Title: Re: Why do members switch campaigns always?
Post by: WhyFhy on November 27, 2023, 12:04:50 AM
The decision to switch campaigns is influenced by a mix of financial incentives, campaign dynamics, personal preferences, and perceptions of stability and management styles.I don't really hop campaigns but I do see the value in hopping depending on your situation.