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Title: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: alani123 on November 18, 2023, 02:35:00 PM
I think this is something more people should be aware of. To begin with, it might seem like common sense to people in this board since most here are experienced with games and gambling platforms.
But to any new comer into the gambling scene it probably isn't as obvious.

What am I talking about? Well, at least once you must have stumbled upon a stream where someone plays slots. These streams are normally sponsored by the casino that hosts the games. They pay the streamer a salary and even fund his account. So the casino knows who the streamer is, what his account is and when he'll be playing.

The thing is, that these streamers get big wins so often that it seems very unlikely for their streaks to be happening at random.

We would know this as casinos say in their terms that playing with fun money does not incur the same level of randomness when playing with real money, which is really code for saying that fun money results to more flashy wins when you really can't win anything. So it's not unlikely that streamers are also getting some similar treatment as they don't play with their own money. This can attract their viewers to deposit and gamble with real money of course, but they'll very rarely get the same results.

This is something I've tried to highlight to my friends that want to get  into gambling, but overall not many people seem to be aware.
What has your experience been? Has this affected you or your friends?


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Hirose UK on November 18, 2023, 02:59:08 PM
A streamer is person who is the same as working for casino because they broadcast gambling sessions with slot games as well as distribute referral links to gambling sites so that there are gamblers who are interested and enter the gambling site with these referrals.
We don't know what exactly happens and is done by streamers to be able to get quite big wins more often.
But personally, I mean that every streamer win is because they have large amount of money and in slot games there are games that can increase their chances of winning when they reach certain round, such as more than 5000 round and things like this happen lot.
I gambler who loves slot games and often manages to get fairly large multipliers when I reach more than 1000 to 2000 spins.
So maybe this is one of the influences on every streamer victory.

But some fiat casinos usually have accounts that are designed to be used by streamers and it has been proven that streamer from one of the fiat casino sites gave this statement.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Coin_trader on November 18, 2023, 03:05:08 PM
The thing is, that these streamers get big wins so often that it seems very unlikely for their streaks to be happening at random.

They will surely win big too often because they are betting big and also betting frequently. We don’t know exactly if they are using different set of games since they are just using their normal casino account on stream. I watch a lot of streamers and they are losing too like everybody else. They just have shit tons of bankroll that’s why they can always hit a couple of huge win due to their high bet.

As normal gambler, This is really unrealistic but you will understand their level once you consider their bankroll and the frequency of their bet since they have nothing to lose here because the money is just sponsored while they are still earning from viewership and commission.

Let’s always remember that streamers main purpose is to entertain viewers. No one will enjoy watch them if they are always losing big time. Don’t take their job seriously because they are not a regular gambler like us.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: alani123 on November 18, 2023, 03:05:12 PM
But some fiat casinos usually have accounts that are designed to be used by streamers and it has been proven that streamer from one of the fiat casino sites gave this statement.
I'm sure that FIAT casinos are more guilty of this than anyone else.
First off FIAT-only casinos almost never work with provably fair games. So that's red flag number one.
Red flag number two is how FIAT casinos don't disclose their ads on streaming sites, especially when they hunted casinos other big casinos off streaming sites for good.

My country is a good example of this for instance. The local "licensed" casinos in Greece pushed the local regulator to block crypto casinos, and in the meantime the local ones are allowed to advertise with big streamers as they like. But in reality they're even more shady, because they don't explain anything about volatility and RTP to their players.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: cafter on November 18, 2023, 03:06:02 PM
I seen people winning 100x, 500x even 1000x on different games.
but I am playing for almost 8 months and blown my account too many times, and to date I didn't won a single 500x.
recently a day ago, after wagering too much I won 112x which was so normal that my account remained somewhat in green. I didn't played in fun mode will try and see I win frequently or not.

streamers may get free money to wager without thinking too much, means more wagering = more chances to hit slots or win big payout.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: xLays on November 18, 2023, 03:39:14 PM
I seen people winning 100x, 500x even 1000x on different games.
but I am playing for almost 8 months and blown my account too many times, and to date I didn't won a single 500x.
recently a day ago, after wagering too much I won 112x which was so normal that my account remained somewhat in green. I didn't played in fun mode will try and see I win frequently or not.

streamers may get free money to wager without thinking too much, means more wagering = more chances to hit slots or win big payout.
I managed to hit X600 in the slot at Roobet (Hand of Anubis) and X500 in the crash game @ coins.game . But I still ended up losing all those multipliers.

Trust me, it looks like streamers often win multipliers, but the truth is they most often lose. We as viewers, only focus on winnings  not on how much the streamer lost. It could be that the accounts used by streamers are known by the casino operations since they sponsor those accounts, but I doubt the casino would do that to make the streamer hit max win or any high multiplier.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: rhomelmabini on November 18, 2023, 04:01:09 PM
Often than not, it's all about publicity whenever you see streamers hit a big win or loss and the fact that they are sponsored by a casino we should know that it is what it is. Well, it's always the noobs they want to lure into it and we can't deny the fact that it's really enticing even if they are at loss or win because most of the times these streamers has flowery words to lure anyone out there watching.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Accardo on November 18, 2023, 04:31:32 PM
It shouldn't be surprising to anybody who follows or reads about the behind the scene occurrence between the streamers and the casino. Many aged players and young people fall for these streamers and click through their affiliates links showing huge discounts to con them into signing into the casino they promote. A lot of the said casinos they promote ain't promising to beginners and most times are illicit. I mean don't meet the supposed requirements for a responsive online casino. However, the streamers make lots of profits from the casino they promote. Pays ranging from tens to hundreds thousands of dollars. Due to the enormous traffic they generate for the casino. The wins is what causes the deceit. The fastest way to con people is by giving them a too good to be true offer. They'll be controlled by their emotions to be rich and fall for such casinos. Though, the results are manipulated, but everyone knows it. Even the streamers in different interviews with news channels like WIRED mention that the casino fund them to stream games. The problem with their viewers is that they expect to see similar results, which tend to be impossible. Because what they see is a contract deal and the casino, like you said know their workers and would make their results far too good for everyone that watches to feel intrigued to join gambling. And, naive people would at least want to make lots of money.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: letteredhub on November 18, 2023, 04:33:58 PM
speaking of streamers, but just that in my case from a genuine experience not from a  casino paid/sponsored streamer. In the local gambling shops in my country when a gambler wins a large amount of money lets say in millions and the news about the overwhelming win hits the street, you see a lot of gamblers resuscitating their hopes of winning too by gambling more than previous , even gamblers that had for some reason taken a break from gambling are compel to return to the tables to gambling on hearing about that big win. And this is what online casinos dramatically do by sponsoring streamers to lure in more new users online. But as an experienced gambler knowing about these tricks nothing moves you, you just do your thing gambling responsibly as usual without being influenced.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: AbuBhakar on November 18, 2023, 04:40:31 PM
speaking of streamers, but just that in my case from a genuine experience not from a  casino paid/sponsored streamer. In the local gambling shops in my country when a gambler wins a large amount of money lets say in millions and the news about the overwhelming win hits the street, you see a lot of gamblers resuscitating their hopes of winning too by gambling more than previous , even gamblers that had for some reason taken a break from gambling are compel to return to the tables to gambling on hearing about that big win. And this is what online casinos dramatically do by sponsoring streamers to lure in more new users online. But as an experienced gambler knowing about these tricks nothing moves you, you just do your thing gambling responsibly as usual without being influenced.

This is the effect advertisement. By showing the possible positive outcome, people will hope to experience same luck that’s why they rush in. It’s the typical behavior human to follow the heard especially if there’s already proof of potential good outcome.

Online casino is doing the same trick that’s why they always post huge win on their social media status and partnerships with streamers to have a good publicity on winning big on their casino. Their target is new customers and not professional with their ads because they already know that it’s not effective to gambler with experience just like what you said.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: BIT-BENDER on November 18, 2023, 04:44:04 PM
Well any casino platform engaging in this is definitely not being genuine, yes I understand many Casino platforms are looking for ways to attract potentials customers to their platform but using this dubious means (faking winnings) would crash in the long run.
Also I think intending customers should look more on the features the gambling site has and how genuine they are rather than looking an the high amounts of previous winnings that has been encountered in the platform.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Cryptomultiplier on November 18, 2023, 04:56:08 PM
Every business out there today has methods of advertising and bringing in the right or even the wrong customers.
I don't see it as any different from what the streamers do, because if they don't win somehow even in the multiples, new customers who enjoy their thrill won't come in to patronize these casinos.

The streamers may be on a payroll by these casinos and I do think that whatever winnings the streamers get, if and only if they are real, will be claimed by the casinos, that's a major percentage of the win. 


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: cabron on November 18, 2023, 04:57:30 PM
Would it mean the casino rigged the games when you play real money?
And the streamer,  because he is playing the money that is considerably a demo money makes him win right?

If its just to lure newcomers in the casino I would really believe so. Thats why I don't watch these streamers because it seem too unimaginable for me to see someone play 10,000 to 50,000 on slot or dice. I would go for live game for that instead.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Yatsan on November 18, 2023, 05:08:18 PM
The only ones who could determine what is really happening, are the streamers themselves and of course the gambling site. I think there is a demo server wherein these streamers are playing, which is also being displayed on promotional videos and not with their streams. It would be hard winning continuously and with big rewards in gambling unless they are too lucky for such feat. There is a possibility that the platform is rigged but it would be hard to determine. If it is with promotional videos then this is not surprising simply because the aim of such creatives is to encourage players to engage on their platform making it to seem winning easily. But if you’re aware of how reality works, the house will always win therefore there’s really no such thing as consistent winnings just like what they are trying to show.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: BitcoinPanther on November 18, 2023, 05:11:56 PM

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The thing is, that these streamers get big wins so often that it seems very unlikely for their streaks to be happening at random.

Not all streamers wins that often.  I watched many videos of streamers that often ends up losing all their bankroll in many of their session.  Even with them getting a premier wins, they end up losing all the the bankroll in the end.  They even deposit more money to recover their losses but still ends up losing them.

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We would know this as casinos say in their terms that playing with fun money does not incur the same level of randomness when playing with real money, which is really code for saying that fun money results to more flashy wins when you really can't win anything. So it's not unlikely that streamers are also getting some similar treatment as they don't play with their own money. This can attract their viewers to deposit and gamble with real money of course, but they'll very rarely get the same results.

Even though streamers are sponsored by casinos, they are still playing with real money so I somehow disagree with your idea of the system in play money is applied to those sponsored streamers.

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This is something I've tried to highlight to my friends that want to get  into gambling, but overall not many people seem to be aware.
What has your experience been? Has this affected you or your friends?

I am aware that most of gambling streamers are sponsored by the casino they are promoting.  It does not affect me much since I watch their streams to see the mechanics of the game and somehow get some entertainment.  Their huge win does not influence to do bonus buy, in fact I seldom do bonus buy in any slots.  I always wanted to get the bonus round through normal spins.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: junder on November 18, 2023, 05:28:13 PM
Would it mean the casino rigged the games when you play real money?
And the streamer,  because he is playing the money that is considerably a demo money makes him win right?

If its just to lure newcomers in the casino I would really believe so. Thats why I don't watch these streamers because it seem too unimaginable for me to see someone play 10,000 to 50,000 on slot or dice. I would go for live game for that instead.

It could make sense, honestly at first glance I have that kind of mindset and assumption when I see the stremers playing by always being able to get a win with an unbelievable amount, they don't hesitate and spontaneously increase the number of multipliers in the sense of increasing the risk opportunity to be higher, but it turns out that they managed to get a big jackpot. For stupid people maybe they will believe in what the stremers are doing, I'm sure they will follow the advice given by the stremers just to get the number of wins like them. Haha lol that's very silly, maybe their understanding is still too early in terms of gambling or maybe their brains and minds are already covered so it is very difficult to be able to think logically.

I believe and believe that the stremers use fake money or promo accounts provided by the casino in every video they show, before the casino has set up the account so that the victory dominates, and obviously nothing but the goal is to lure gamblers or even beginners to enter their casino. And that's where beginners will say "the way the stremer suggested didn't work for me" haha that's a real trick that casinos often end up doing by paying stremers for promoting their casinos. It's not necessary, and I think it's better to gamble on your own.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Huppercase on November 18, 2023, 05:28:28 PM
What am I talking about? Well, at least once you must have stumbled upon a stream where someone plays slots. These streams are normally sponsored by the casino that hosts the games. They pay the streamer a salary and even fund his account. So the casino knows who the streamer is, what his account is and when he'll be playing.

I have seen something similar like this in some casinos some few months ago, it was early this year to be precisely. What this guys were doing is that, they were paying influencers to promote their betting platform and in return pay back huge money for endorsements. What the platform does was that, they created two sections, one for real players and the for influencers to use for advertisement. The influencers segment was fake and they never had any loss when they demonstrate the platform to players but when you use the main segment, you lose times without number. This is to tell you that not all endorsed platforms are to be trusted.

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The thing is, that these streamers get big wins so often that it seems very unlikely for their streaks to be happening at random.

We would know this as casinos say in their terms that playing with fun money does not incur the same level of randomness when playing with real money, which is really code for saying that fun money results to more flashy wins when you really can't win anything. So it's not unlikely that streamers are also getting some similar treatment as they don't play with their own money. This can attract their viewers to deposit and gamble with real money of course, but they'll very rarely get the same results.

This is something I've tried to highlight to my friends that want to get  into gambling, but overall not many people seem to be aware.
What has your experience been? Has this affected you or your friends?

You can't convince everyone and don't expect others to yield to your opinion, if you tell them and they refuse to listen, then you let them be for that particular time, when it is time for them to learn, they will learn and when they do, hope it doesn't affect them badly but you must let them decide something because they say that experience is the best teacher.

Majorly, only newbies fall into this streamers because I can't say and I have not seen any person comes out bodly to say that he has won something beautiful from this guys. If you check the streamers, they have something in common and it's that they don't condemn platforms they advertised. Even real platforms that are well reputed get casted for their mistakes but streamers are always perfect.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Beparanf on November 18, 2023, 05:32:45 PM
Would it mean the casino rigged the games when you play real money?
And the streamer,  because he is playing the money that is considerably a demo money makes him win right?

Not rigged but rather they probably use different game software that adjust the RTP in favor to the player. The regular slot games works the same as advertised since slot games software has license too so they need to stick to the declared specification once distributed to the players.

It’s like streamers is playing a demo game from the slot provider website which is very easy to win compared to the slot game on the casino even though it’s the same game. It’s not rigged but rather the streamer slot games playing an adjusted version.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: iv4n on November 18, 2023, 05:38:20 PM
Would it mean the casino rigged the games when you play real money?
And the streamer,  because he is playing the money that is considerably a demo money makes him win right?

Not rigged but rather they probably use different game software that adjust the RTP in favor to the player. The regular slot games works the same as advertised since slot games software has license too so they need to stick to the declared specification once distributed to the players.

It’s like streamers is playing a demo game from the slot provider website which is very easy to win compared to the slot game on the casino even though it’s the same game. It’s not rigged but rather the streamer slot games playing an adjusted version.

Well, there's definitely something about slot streamers, they have too many max wins in a short time. And I guess we can say they have some crazy big max wins, they are buying bonus rounds with +$10k... so you can imagine how big wins they have. I don't follow any streamers, but from time to time I see some Twitter shares, and when I see how many "max wins" on Hacksaw I get a big wish for crying... that is one of the worst providers for me, I had x0 so many times, and I never won over x1k on Hacksaw, and I tried so many times... so many bonus rounds won from normal spins, even more bought bonus rounds, and nothing. I know I simply didn't have luck with this provider, that's why I am not playing it anymore.

As in the headline, streamer wins seem too good, and we all know, when something seems too good it's probably not true.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Dewi Aries on November 18, 2023, 06:04:43 PM
The only ones who could determine what is really happening, are the streamers themselves and of course the gambling site. I think there is a demo server wherein these streamers are playing, which is also being displayed on promotional videos and not with their streams. It would be hard winning continuously and with big rewards in gambling unless they are too lucky for such feat. There is a possibility that the platform is rigged but it would be hard to determine. If it is with promotional videos then this is not surprising simply because the aim of such creatives is to encourage players to engage on their platform making it to seem winning easily. But if you’re aware of how reality works, the house will always win therefore there’s really no such thing as consistent winnings just like what they are trying to show.

I think what you're saying is a true fact and it's a plausible reason for the question of why the stremers are always able to get big wins in every video that they show, so I would agree with your idea that it looks like they're using a demo account that's given to them by the casino that's doing the promotion. That makes a lot of sense, and of course the reality is that it's very difficult to get lucky like that, it's quite impossible and I wouldn't believe the wins they make.

That's one of the ways casinos attract more people to gamble there, one of the more proven ways to get more people to come in is by promotion through advertising and or paying one of the influencers to work together to promote their casino. The fact is true, of course, that the house will  always be the real winner, you or they should not reject my statement because the system is designed by the casino so the point remains that you have to be lucky.  So don't overdo it, it's better and that's all.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Davidvictorson on November 18, 2023, 07:22:13 PM
I think that before we talk about the gleam and glamour of streamers winning big we should also talk about streamers losing big too. This is the part that is often downplayed. Okay. Now to the topic, what I would say about these streamers is that they play day in day out and at decent stakes. Remember that this is a job to them so they put the hours in as much as I love to play the slots I don’t have time to play like they do so will probably never see a big win in my life time as much as I would love one and I am understand that it  is not a problem.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Marvelman on November 18, 2023, 07:26:45 PM
Yes, multiple ex-streamers have already confirmed that everything was staged and fake, orchestrated by the casino. You wouldn't believe how many people don't realize what's going on behind those paid streams.  The whole thing is sponsored by the casino, who funds the account and  makes those insane winning streaks possible. Those aren't really just dumb luck.  Its like they're playing a different game with special rules.  I think it's worth pointing out, but it doesn't seem like everyone has caught onto this other side of things yet.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Oilacris on November 18, 2023, 07:36:17 PM
I think this is something more people should be aware of. To begin with, it might seem like common sense to people in this board since most here are experienced with games and gambling platforms.
But to any new comer into the gambling scene it probably isn't as obvious.

What am I talking about? Well, at least once you must have stumbled upon a stream where someone plays slots. These streams are normally sponsored by the casino that hosts the games. They pay the streamer a salary and even fund his account. So the casino knows who the streamer is, what his account is and when he'll be playing.

The thing is, that these streamers get big wins so often that it seems very unlikely for their streaks to be happening at random.

We would know this as casinos say in their terms that playing with fun money does not incur the same level of randomness when playing with real money, which is really code for saying that fun money results to more flashy wins when you really can't win anything. So it's not unlikely that streamers are also getting some similar treatment as they don't play with their own money. This can attract their viewers to deposit and gamble with real money of course, but they'll very rarely get the same results.

This is something I've tried to highlight to my friends that want to get  into gambling, but overall not many people seem to be aware.
What has your experience been? Has this affected you or your friends?
There's really some point into your gambling sessions or times that you would really be raising up those kind of questions on which why the heck they do seems on easy on winning up that certain slot?
Whereas its really that too hard on the time that you do play it on. It would be understandable that those streamers would really be funded or making use of casinos money on the time that they do make out some stream on which the amount per roll would really be something significant or something that big and on the time that they do hit up some nasty reels or combination then it would really be making out some significant numbers on which it might cause for someone to spark out that kind of interest to make a deposit. Well, this had been the plan in the first place on which
trying out to hook up someone with those good wins.

If you are still a noob then most likely you would really get easily convinced about making a deposit and you would really be finding or trying to reflect yourself
to be also a winner on which this would really be making out that kind of desperation on the time that you do play.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: jrrsparkles on November 18, 2023, 10:12:51 PM

The thing is, that these streamers get big wins so often that it seems very unlikely for their streaks to be happening at random.

Even I do watch the streamers a lot because its fun to watch someone bust their money instead of ours but I don't think the games were rigged in any kind because I saw they lose big and win big as well so it all happens at random but the point is whether the streamer win or loss he isn't going to bear anything but the casino which sponsor will do.

Those streamers hide that from their viewers and try to pretend that they are playing with their own money which influences more people to do the same.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Jemzx00 on November 18, 2023, 11:45:30 PM
It's really to speculate about these kind of information as there are also some streamers who barely win on their gambling sessions and only post highlights of their winning even though that they've ended up losing almost all of their bankroll. For me, some of it are rigged and some of them are not or probably it's same situation whereas when you're the who's gambling, you barely won however whenever you watch someone else gamble, they mostly win. It's kinda giving a false situation without knowing the gambling session they've played.

If you try to watch some of these streams from the beginning to the end, most of them experienced both losing and winning streak and end up either having same bankroll or with minimal wins or loses.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: yahoo62278 on November 19, 2023, 12:38:55 AM
When someone is streaming for a casino, they normally have a higher starting balance than the regular gambler and they can afford to take bigger risks. Even if they aren't taking the big gambles and playing a slot at a consistent dollar amount for hours, they are not getting juiced wins IMO. They are just playing more spins than the usual gambler.

Go watch trainwreckz and tell me he is always winning big cause all i see the guy do is lose money.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: angrybirdy on November 19, 2023, 12:59:26 AM
Yes, multiple ex-streamers have already confirmed that everything was staged and fake, orchestrated by the casino. You wouldn't believe how many people don't realize what's going on behind those paid streams.  The whole thing is sponsored by the casino, who funds the account and  makes those insane winning streaks possible. Those aren't really just dumb luck.  Its like they're playing a different game with special rules.  I think it's worth pointing out, but it doesn't seem like everyone has caught onto this other side of things yet.

you will notice that from the very beginning, Their winnings is too good to be true because once you're the one who try, you always don't win. They do that because of contract that they've signed to a gambling agency, The accounts that they have used is already set up for winnings only. In that way, all of their streaming videos shows that majority is all about winning. There are times that some vloggers and streamers used their personal account and they show that they get a big prize once they win the game but the truth is, they got those prizes not because of winning, but because of referrals.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Hispo on November 19, 2023, 02:20:49 AM
Yes, multiple ex-streamers have already confirmed that everything was staged and fake, orchestrated by the casino. You wouldn't believe how many people don't realize what's going on behind those paid streams.  The whole thing is sponsored by the casino, who funds the account and  makes those insane winning streaks possible. Those aren't really just dumb luck.  Its like they're playing a different game with special rules.  I think it's worth pointing out, but it doesn't seem like everyone has caught onto this other side of things yet.


Is that so? because to this day I had only assume that the only difference between someone gambling in a casino as just the usual gambler and someone streaming their session and being sponsored by the casino itself, was that the casino offered some credit/money which the streamer was supposed to wager during the stream. I did not know that some casinos could go as far as increasing the chances of their streamers to get high multipliers, for the sake of advertisement, though I would need further confirmation of bit, because to me it sounds like a rumor.
I am also not sure on the legality of some casino doing such thing, like increasing or messing with the chances of their sponsored streamer to attract more people to the casino, it sounds like something which is supposed to be disclosed so the casino won't get into legal troubles with the time, even if no one reads the disclosure.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Russlenat on November 19, 2023, 02:30:05 AM
A streamer is person who is the same as working for casino because they broadcast gambling sessions with slot games as well as distribute referral links to gambling sites so that there are gamblers who are interested and enter the gambling site with these referrals.


Nah, they're only considered working in a casino if they're not putting their own money on the line. So, if we assume they're on the clock, it suggests they're using the casino's cash for their gambling sessions, explaining why they're not sweating the losses.

And that referral link? It's always hanging around, whether they're officially in cahoots with the casino or not. It's how streamers score some cash through commissions to make up for what they're doing, aside from the payments they get from YouTube, of course.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Wexnident on November 19, 2023, 02:54:04 AM
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Not really. I am familiar that casinos employ some methods to make it more appealing to viewers, whether it be the money streamers use being from them so they can spend however much, or heck even rigged rates when they play by having a customized part of the site accessible to their accounts. The thing is, I don't really give a damn lmao. No amount of streamer is going to suddenly make me bet $10k in a single go all of a sudden no matter what. So yea, I know it exists and it happens, but I just don't let it get to me.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: len01 on November 19, 2023, 07:50:11 AM
streamer was never able to influence my mind to be interested in trying to deposit and bet on the same game and I never trusted any streamer and I admit I often watch the stream but I consider it as an interesting spectacle like watching football.

In the past I often played slots and also often got maxwin and maybe too often but after getting maxwin a few times I very rarely got 300x+ and tried to move to other games and this does not mean I was influenced by a streamer but I bet on slot games because I wanted to I myself.

and for stories about the money the streamer uses his own money or money from the casino or its just an account designed by the casino for a winning streak its not important to me because its just an entertainment show that does not need to be taken seriously.


But personally, I mean that every streamer win is because they have large amount of money and in slot games there are games that can increase their chances of winning when they reach certain round, such as more than 5000 round and things like this happen lot.
I gambler who loves slot games and often manages to get fairly large multipliers when I reach more than 1000 to 2000 spins.
So maybe this is one of the influences on every streamer victory.
so that means you think that in slot games you will be able to get a big multiplier when you reach 1000-5000 spins?
and that means big multipliers are only for those who have a big budget to reach those 1000-5000 spins?
so what about this words "longer you bet, the more you lose because house edge?"


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: oktana on November 19, 2023, 08:01:48 AM
I seen people winning 100x, 500x even 1000x on different games.
but I am playing for almost 8 months and blown my account too many times, and to date I didn't won a single 500x.
recently a day ago, after wagering too much I won 112x which was so normal that my account remained somewhat in green. I didn't played in fun mode will try and see I win frequently or not.

streamers may get free money to wager without thinking too much, means more wagering = more chances to hit slots or win big payout.
I managed to hit X600 in the slot at Roobet (Hand of Anubis) and X500 in the crash game @ coins.game . But I still ended up losing all those multipliers.

Trust me, it looks like streamers often win multipliers, but the truth is they most often lose. We as viewers, only focus on winnings  not on how much the streamer lost. It could be that the accounts used by streamers are known by the casino operations since they sponsor those accounts, but I doubt the casino would do that to make the streamer hit max win or any high multiplier.
Okay. But when you won the X600, did you record it? Is there a video of it? Or it just randomly happened and ever since then, it has been a record you can’t break? These streamers can’t always be that lucky on camera. If they lose a lot people will think it’s too hard to win. So I strongly believe that these streamers are affiliated with these gambling sites. Even the way they speak about it in their videos are always enticing.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: davis196 on November 19, 2023, 08:05:37 AM
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We would know this as casinos say in their terms that playing with fun money does not incur the same level of randomness when playing with real money, which is really code for saying that fun money results to more flashy wins when you really can't win anything

Any online casino, that is clearly stating this in it's Terms of Service openly admits that the games are rigged. This seems like a really dumb move. ;D
I don't watch gambling streamers because I don't trust them. This is just another form of sneaky advertising. I believe that gambling streamers should be banned completely. Platforms like Twitch are supposed to be for gaming streamers only(which was their initial purpose).
I don't know why in some countries gambling advertising is banned and yet they allow streamers on platforms like Twitch to gamble.
This seems like a violation of the gambling advertising ban in several countries.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Mauser on November 19, 2023, 08:10:29 AM
This is something I've tried to highlight to my friends that want to get  into gambling, but overall not many people seem to be aware.
What has your experience been? Has this affected you or your friends?

When gambling streams were newer, I was surprised how lucky they are and wondered if I could get the same returns when following their actions. In the end I mostly lost money following the strategies of streamers and stopped watching them for a while. Now I am watching them again, but only for entertainment purposes and I don't trust blindly what I am seeing. A few of my friends started to gamble more regularly after watching gambling streams, none of them made any big profits. It's hard to know what's going on behind the scenes and I feel like gambling influencers and streamers are getting special accounts by the casinos to promote their websites and casino games. If the money you gamble with is not your own you are much more open to take high risks.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: bitbollo on November 19, 2023, 08:27:20 AM
I personally avoid following any type of "influencer" in any field. Of course I haven't any social network because I find as a waste of time full of fake stuffs.

About influencers, I find them fake like any advertisement... there is always an aspect behind them that they don't let you see, in short there is never any need to trust.

I'm not young anymore. even my "friends" don't use these systems and don't let themselves be fooled by these "false prophets" ;)
The same rule always applies: if something seems too good to be true, it probably isn't


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: OgNasty on November 19, 2023, 08:45:04 AM
I don’t think it’s a conspiracy or anything. You basically said it yourself. They get huge sums of money to gamble with for their involvement with the company, so they can take lots of crazy risks and bet huge amounts. Every once in a while they hit and it seems to good to be true. They also lose a lot of money real quick sometimes, but those clips aren’t posted online.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: komisariatku on November 19, 2023, 08:56:08 AM
The thing is, that these streamers get big wins so often that it seems very unlikely for their streaks to be happening at random.

Streamers usually use fake money given by casinos so they can play every day for big bets. I often watch slot machine streamers, and in my opinion they experience losses like ordinary players, but because their balance is unlimited they can play continuously so they get bigwin or maxwin

To be honest, I doubt if streamers use special accounts to play where it's easier to get big wins. In my opinion, the accounts used by streamers are the same as other accounts, only there is no money limit because the casino puts a fake money balance into their account.

In my opinion, slot machines are all about probability, the more often we play, the more likely we are to get maxwin. What differentiates us from the steremers is the balance


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: michellee on November 19, 2023, 09:11:34 AM
I rarely watch these streamers play but I have watched them and to be honest, their wins are huge. I think maybe it was set up by the casino so they could get big wins. After all, those streamers use huge amounts of money.

It didn't have any impact on me, especially since I rarely watch the streamer play. I don't even have a favorite streamer so my gambling game doesn't depend on the streamers. I decide when I will play and stop gambling.

If there are people who want to join the streamer in gambling, they must really be able to limit their money. Streamers can spend a lot of money easily and it seems like they never lack money for gambling. Meanwhile, we, small gamblers, always need money to gamble. So we should always limit the use of money. Otherwise, we might lose a lot of money just because we want to indulge our desires.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: coin-investor on November 19, 2023, 10:22:11 AM
I think that before we talk about the gleam and glamour of streamers winning big we should also talk about streamers losing big too. This is the part that is often downplayed. Okay. Now to the topic, what I would say about these streamers is that they play day in day out and at decent stakes. Remember that this is a job to them so they put the hours in as much as I love to play the slots I don’t have time to play like they do so will probably never see a big win in my life time as much as I would love one and I am understand that it  is not a problem.

We even had a thread here about one streamer losing a huge amount of money and thinking that the casino he played with was rigged, it's just speculation if we think that streamers are playing on a different platform for them to win, we have to prove that they are, but unless we cannot prove that, streamers win whether it may seem to good to be true are considered valid wins, what they are using may be sponsored money but to think that its rigged to the point that they make the streamers win is not the case.
Up until now there have been no expose or whistle-blowers that stated that casinos are making the streamers wins to gain more referrals if there are videos or testimonials then streamers will lose their reputation and they will be considered cheaters.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: livingfree on November 19, 2023, 10:30:52 AM
I'd say that most of them truly are for the show but there are a few of them that has names that are for real. Let's take Drake for example, we all know that his bets are for real even if he's advertising a casino or he's an ambassador of it.

While those obvious streamers that are doing it for the sake of sponsorship, all of their wins and balances are for attraction. I think some content creators have exposed a contract from those new casinos that are trying to hire them.

Accounts will be made exactly for them and they'll just video their plays and the algo will be on their favor and let them win and that's what they need to show to the audiences.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: avp2306 on November 19, 2023, 10:32:34 AM
This is something I've tried to highlight to my friends that want to get  into gambling, but overall not many people seem to be aware.
What has your experience been? Has this affected you or your friends?

When gambling streams were newer, I was surprised how lucky they are and wondered if I could get the same returns when following their actions. In the end I mostly lost money following the strategies of streamers and stopped watching them for a while. Now I am watching them again, but only for entertainment purposes and I don't trust blindly what I am seeing. A few of my friends started to gamble more regularly after watching gambling streams, none of them made any big profits. It's hard to know what's going on behind the scenes and I feel like gambling influencers and streamers are getting special accounts by the casinos to promote their websites and casino games. If the money you gamble with is not your own you are much more open to take high risks.

Normally at early we would rather get curious more on how those streamers consecutively win on their bets made but when we experience to follow what they do we can figure out that result will not the same as they. And since there's a lot of claim that they are using demo accounts or the casino itself fund them then it give more clearer picture that those people are just doing that win just for a hype. That's why we shouldn't get attracted with huge gain they get since it seems that its been controlled by casino. Although not all streamers is faking their result since there are streamers who's still reliable and play real. But Majority is been paid that's why I never give weights on the gains they get since I just think about they do that for promotion and those big winnings are used for their followers to get interested to play at the casino they are promoting then try their luck to win the same.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Accardo on November 19, 2023, 10:49:32 AM
I think that before we talk about the gleam and glamour of streamers winning big we should also talk about streamers losing big too. This is the part that is often downplayed. Okay. Now to the topic, what I would say about these streamers is that they play day in day out and at decent stakes. Remember that this is a job to them so they put the hours in as much as I love to play the slots I don’t have time to play like they do so will probably never see a big win in my life time as much as I would love one and I am understand that it  is not a problem.

We even had a thread here about one streamer losing a huge amount of money and thinking that the casino he played with was rigged, it's just speculation if we think that streamers are playing on a different platform for them to win, we have to prove that they are, but unless we cannot prove that, streamers win whether it may seem to good to be true are considered valid wins, what they are using may be sponsored money but to think that its rigged to the point that they make the streamers win is not the case.
Up until now there have been no expose or whistle-blowers that stated that casinos are making the streamers wins to gain more referrals if there are videos or testimonials then streamers will lose their reputation and they will be considered cheaters.

Yes the whistle blowers are not yet here to testify the claim, but the problem or argument began when the people whom they refer don't get such wins like the streamers. And from the look of things, if these streamers only won big, isn't it going to be suspicious on the viewers end. Hence, they'll also make it in such a way that they'll lose big too, to make it real and convincing. On the other hand, nobody cares if they lose huge amount, what gets the eyes of people is the huge amount of money they wager and the returns. Since, it's certain and proven that they work for the casinos, then nothing is wrong with the speculative ideas like what OP stated; being favored by the casino allowing them to win often than they lose. You can't for sure know what's happening behind the scene. The whole processes still boils down to marketing strategy. Who knows, they could be professional gamblers, but the results still looks fishy. Other professionals still complain that users don't get the kind of wins the streamers get, what would you call that? Added with the huge amount these casinos hand out to them, they gamble without any fear of losing out. Giving them confidence to take any prediction within their mind, which may turn out to be true. Aside that, being the possibility. I can't succumb to any other idea that's attached to their enormous wins, if not being on the favor of the casino.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Outhue on November 19, 2023, 11:15:09 AM
If you are a beginner, do not start gambling through streamers videos because you can easily get addicted to gambling, I just do gambling without knowing that casino streamers exists when I start gambling, and later watching streamers doesn't push me into making bad decisions, if I have no past experience about the dangers of gambling and I start watching casino streamers I will easily become a victim to my own greed, those casino streamers can make someone to get addicted easily.

I have not seen whereby a casino streamer make small gains on their stream, they always hit the numbers you couldn't after many times trying, and they hit the number ones or more, this is why it's suspicious to me, you don't want to get encouraged by streamers, you won't want to quit gambling until you have nothing left.

There are few numbers of legit streamers and you will see that they constantly lose money too, on par with the kind of experience you got while gambling, but some of them have abnormal result in gambling and I believe such games are not to be trusted.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Z390 on November 19, 2023, 11:16:07 AM
Maybe you are right or maybe you are even wrong, because few people have claimed to have use the same casino that streamer use on their video and they played the same game as the streamer and they win good amount of money, someone on this forum also did the same thing, I read through his topic and it's very good example that not all streamers are unreliable, although gambling is a game of luck, and watching streamers online does not guarantee that you will have the same result.

When you watch gambling videos what are you planning to gain out of it? Learn some skills or you want to win like they do? It's true that some of them are winning on the videos and when you gamble the experience will be different, I actually don't have any problem with this because they are simply advertising the casino for the audience, it's a part of shilling the casino name and that's what they do for living, what do you expect?

Don't not put your hopes on live streams that you watch, always know that they are doing this for money, casino stresses are content creators by nature, everyone gets excited when they see the streamer hits highest payout rates, that's the goal of these streaming, create audience and make them fomo into gambling using that exact same casino.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: danherbias07 on November 19, 2023, 11:31:32 AM
I always look at gambling game streamers as advertisers only. What they do ain't real but they are showing the possible things that could happen although we should not be expecting that much in real money playing.
My max win up until now is x1500 and I never had the chance to receive way beyond that either in slots of other games that could surpass that number.
Streamers do surpass it and obviously, they are too good to be true so the chances of receiving the same multi-win as them are very low like playing the lottery with 0.000 something percent to receive the jackpot.
I can already see that just by playing Plinko, my record tells me I have 50k bets that were done in a single day, and yet I have not received the x1000 multi even once. It could take long or it could take short. It will depend on our luck.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Marvelman on November 19, 2023, 11:47:08 AM
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I am also not sure on the legality of some casino doing such thing, like increasing or messing with the chances of their sponsored streamer to attract more people to the casino, it sounds like something which is supposed to be disclosed so the casino won't get into legal troubles with the time, even if no one reads the disclosure.

I was watching this one streamer, Roshtein I think his name is.  He's supposed to be like, one of the biggest gamblers out there.  but lately it seems like he's not even trying with his whole act anymore. and  everything about him is so fake now. But I guess his fans don't care because they just blindly follow whatever he does. 

There was this one time where he forgot to switch off demo mode and you could literally see his fake cash balance on the screen! That was a pretty big giveaway because, as many pointed out later, you normally don't see your real balance when you switch to demo mode. I can't find that video now, it might have been deleted, but you can find a lot of references to it on youtube.

I dont know, in my opinion it feels like they're just exploiting their viewers to make money.  Because the more people watch them play, the more new suckers sign up and lose their money which just pads the streamers' profits.  It's messed up but I guess thats just how the gambling business works nowadays.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Jemzx00 on November 19, 2023, 12:26:50 PM
When someone is streaming for a casino, they normally have a higher starting balance than the regular gambler and they can afford to take bigger risks. Even if they aren't taking the big gambles and playing a slot at a consistent dollar amount for hours, they are not getting juiced wins IMO. They are just playing more spins than the usual gambler.

Go watch trainwreckz and tell me he is always winning big cause all i see the guy do is lose money.
Exactly! With the sponsorship from the casino who provide with a significant amount of bankroll not including the funds that they've deposited, they'll be able to continue gambling for hours during streams and most of their are loses and they also hit jackpots which are highlighted on their channel to garner more viewers and subscribers.

However, I don't exactly think that all gambling streamers are honest as there some streamers who mostly wins and barely lose on most of their livestreams. Possibly some are rigged and some are not.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Marvelman on November 19, 2023, 01:18:35 PM
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Here's a video where Roshtein clicked on demo mode on stream.  It showed that his balance was the same fake money he had in demo mode! He was totally busted lying about playing with real money.  You can literally tell from the look on his face when he realized he slipped up. He was totally speechless and didn't know what to say because he knew he just exposed his whole scam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6mOB0EmekM


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Sunderland on November 19, 2023, 01:50:50 PM
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Dont forget that the streamers already prepare a decent balance (deposit+bonus) before they play, not fair if we compare their wining stats with ordinary users.
As we all know that to win on slots we need an awesome luck and keep playing to get the decent muliplier.
Streamers can Bonus Buy many times because of their fat balance, while the peasant like us perhaps only a few times.
Consider the streams as an entertainment only, its not our money after all.

Here's a video where Roshtein clicked on demo mode on stream.  It showed that his balance was the same fake money he had in demo mode! He was totally busted lying about playing with real money.  You can literally tell from the look on his face when he realized he slipped up. He was totally speechless and didn't know what to say because he knew he just exposed his whole scam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6mOB0EmekM


Hehe it show that even a big guy such roshtein could be broke either. Easy Come and Easy Go, the art of gambling.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: m2017 on November 19, 2023, 01:52:36 PM
But personally, I mean that every streamer win is because they have large amount of money and in slot games there are games that can increase their chances of winning when they reach certain round, such as more than 5000 round and things like this happen lot.
I gambler who loves slot games and often manages to get fairly large multipliers when I reach more than 1000 to 2000 spins.
So maybe this is one of the influences on every streamer victory.
Based on the theory of probability, the more attempts (spins) you make, the higher the chance of winning something. But in the case of a casino, everything works a little differently and the longer you play (more spins), the more you lose and the higher the likelihood that you will be left with nothing. This is banal mathematics - RTP is below 100% (90-95%), which means that in the long term the player will lose money and it is on this principle that any casino rests.


What am I talking about? Well, at least once you must have stumbled upon a stream where someone plays slots. These streams are normally sponsored by the casino that hosts the games. They pay the streamer a salary and even fund his account. So the casino knows who the streamer is, what his account is and when he'll be playing.
If a streamer is essentially a freelance employee of a casino, then there should be zero trust in him and his main function is to attract new gamblers to their casino. If you succumb to his tricks (you want to win as a streamer and go to their casino), then he has done his job. Streamer is a new form of shill. Ignore them, because streamers create a false illusion that anyone can win like them, although the casino is probably playing along with the streamer (with the help of a high RTP).


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: maydna on November 19, 2023, 04:26:46 PM
I once watched a local streamer playing slots. In that slot game, he played Gates of Olympus and managed to win a lot of money. But they have had several big wins in a row, which has amazed people who watch the broadcast because it is very rare for someone to get several big wins in a row. But we also don't know whether the big win was purely due to luck or whether it was arranged in such a way to impress the audience. But that didn't have any impact on me because I knew if it was because of his luck, we shouldn't be jealous. After all, our luck with him would be different. We will not be able to achieve what he has achieved and vice versa. So it's better for us to enjoy what we see and not be influenced or we will be in danger.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Eternad on November 19, 2023, 04:34:33 PM
I once watched a local streamer playing slots. In that slot game, he played Gates of Olympus and managed to win a lot of money. But they have had several big wins in a row, which has amazed people who watch the broadcast because it is very rare for someone to get several big wins in a row. But we also don't know whether the big win was purely due to luck or whether it was arranged in such a way to impress the audience. But that didn't have any impact on me because I knew if it was because of his luck, we shouldn't be jealous. After all, our luck with him would be different. We will not be able to achieve what he has achieved and vice versa. So it's better for us to enjoy what we see and not be influenced or we will be in danger.

You are watching streamers just like how it was intended which is correct way of doing it. Many people are doubtful because they are venting their stress on their personal losses to streamers that winning and called it unfair while this streamers lose a lot too probably not recorded.

Streamers should be watch for entertainment purposes only and not a role model on gambling because everyone has different result due to luck is random same with the slot games result.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Fortify on November 19, 2023, 04:57:37 PM
I think this is something more people should be aware of. To begin with, it might seem like common sense to people in this board since most here are experienced with games and gambling platforms.
But to any new comer into the gambling scene it probably isn't as obvious.

What am I talking about? Well, at least once you must have stumbled upon a stream where someone plays slots. These streams are normally sponsored by the casino that hosts the games. They pay the streamer a salary and even fund his account. So the casino knows who the streamer is, what his account is and when he'll be playing.

The thing is, that these streamers get big wins so often that it seems very unlikely for their streaks to be happening at random.

We would know this as casinos say in their terms that playing with fun money does not incur the same level of randomness when playing with real money, which is really code for saying that fun money results to more flashy wins when you really can't win anything. So it's not unlikely that streamers are also getting some similar treatment as they don't play with their own money. This can attract their viewers to deposit and gamble with real money of course, but they'll very rarely get the same results.

This is something I've tried to highlight to my friends that want to get  into gambling, but overall not many people seem to be aware.
What has your experience been? Has this affected you or your friends?

It's a bit baffling that streaming sites even allow this sort of activity and there do seem to be periodic crackdowns against this type of slots gambling because it is too ripe for abuse as you've identified. There are very few people who could afford to play slots long term because it is engineered to be a losing game. It is very clear astroturfing by gambling companies but it can be very hard to prove, which is why they get away with it for so long. Plus there is the fact that any balance can be loaded into these casino sites by the site operator which wouldn't involve rigging much else.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: BitcoinPanther on November 19, 2023, 05:28:57 PM
Yes, multiple ex-streamers have already confirmed that everything was staged and fake, orchestrated by the casino. You wouldn't believe how many people don't realize what's going on behind those paid streams.  The whole thing is sponsored by the casino, who funds the account and  makes those insane winning streaks possible. Those aren't really just dumb luck.  Its like they're playing a different game with special rules.  I think it's worth pointing out, but it doesn't seem like everyone has caught onto this other side of things yet.


It would be great if you have given the link where those ex-streamers exposed and admit that their streams performance are staged.  Probably I have not encounter streamers where their session is staged by the casino itself, since most of streamers I watched are even cursing the slots game they are playing because of their bad session.

I believe there is also some instances where a streamer sponsored by a casino often use a special link where the RTP is way higher than the normal slots game, but to prove such thing is somehow difficult because we do not access on that link and those who are involved on the scripted streams won't tell people about it unless they end up in a not so good relation with the casino they used to work with.

Everything is possible in an online stream, but I would say that not all streamers sponsored by a casino use such dirty method in luring people into gambling.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Saint-loup on November 19, 2023, 05:57:27 PM
Except few in-house games casino usually use third party providers. And streamers generally play well known slots. So if you were right, it would mean that large and reputed third party providers are also cheating people while they are supped to be certified and monitored by serious organizations. I don't think casinos need to do such conspiracies. They just need to fill streamers' balances with fun money and streamers just need to buy bonuses and play enough time to win some jackpots or high multipliers winnings.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: dezoel on November 19, 2023, 06:23:30 PM
I've never been affected by this as I've always known that it's a simple marketing tactic by the casinos to hire streamers or content creators to play games on their platforms and either create videos or livestream the gameplay so that the audience can see and enjoy and eventually join their platform and gamble with them, and to make things as interesting as possible, they will probably do anything possible like reducing the volatility or increasing the RTP or even making streamers or content creators use demo money hence increasing the amount of wins.

People that watch these streams and get inspired by the wins and decide to try and achieve the same results should know that what happens in movies cannot be done in real life most of the times, and we should consider these streams and videos being movies which are mostly scripted just to entertain us and we are not supposed to follow them and try to achieve the same things like them.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Hispo on November 19, 2023, 07:02:22 PM
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I am also not sure on the legality of some casino doing such thing, like increasing or messing with the chances of their sponsored streamer to attract more people to the casino, it sounds like something which is supposed to be disclosed so the casino won't get into legal troubles with the time, even if no one reads the disclosure.

I was watching this one streamer, Roshtein I think his name is.  He's supposed to be like, one of the biggest gamblers out there.  but lately it seems like he's not even trying with his whole act anymore. and  everything about him is so fake now. But I guess his fans don't care because they just blindly follow whatever he does. 

There was this one time where he forgot to switch off demo mode and you could literally see his fake cash balance on the screen! That was a pretty big giveaway because, as many pointed out later, you normally don't see your real balance when you switch to demo mode. I can't find that video now, it might have been deleted, but you can find a lot of references to it on youtube.

I dont know, in my opinion it feels like they're just exploiting their viewers to make money.  Because the more people watch them play, the more new suckers sign up and lose their money which just pads the streamers' profits.  It's messed up but I guess thats just how the gambling business works nowadays.

One can indeed be against of that kind of policies and tricks taken by streamers to increase their number of viewers, though, since it does not seem to be illegal, then anyone who watches those streams is supposed to do it only as a way of entertainment and do not allow themselves to get carried away by the profits some streamers could get out a session.
Those who are more prone to be influenced into gambling because some streamer is being sponsored by a casino are the newbies within this gambling industry. It is almost the same one can see happening with cryptocurrencies, they choose to be guided by their favorite influencers to the coin their are supposed to buy, instead doing their own research, it is only that in the case it is about choosing a casino or game.

I wonder if there is some hidden clausule written by the streamer where he renounces all responsibility from people signing up in the casino and whatever he does is only supposed to be treated as entertainment.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: topbitcoin on November 19, 2023, 07:21:16 PM
I don't really trust streamers, even though in their broadcasts they often win large amounts through their strategies and playing patterns. A gambling streamer is nothing more than a promoter trying to promote a gambling platform. and I don't believe in the winnings of gambling streamers, because the winnings seem to be made up and have been arranged in such a way as possible.
And actually in the world of marketing, this is fine to do as long as it doesn't violate existing rules.

And my wild assumption is that I think it would be better if a gambling platform carried out promotions only on a special platform that is far from the reach of underage children, such as the Bitcoin Talk forum. Because currently the promotions carried out by a gambling platform are like mushrooms that are scattered everywhere, including social media, where there are a lot of underage people. And regarding gambling streaming videos, this is something that should not be shown to minors, because this will have a negative impact on the child.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: swogerino on November 19, 2023, 07:26:34 PM
I think this is something more people should be aware of. To begin with, it might seem like common sense to people in this board since most here are experienced with games and gambling platforms.
But to any new comer into the gambling scene it probably isn't as obvious.

What am I talking about? Well, at least once you must have stumbled upon a stream where someone plays slots. These streams are normally sponsored by the casino that hosts the games. They pay the streamer a salary and even fund his account. So the casino knows who the streamer is, what his account is and when he'll be playing.

The thing is, that these streamers get big wins so often that it seems very unlikely for their streaks to be happening at random.

We would know this as casinos say in their terms that playing with fun money does not incur the same level of randomness when playing with real money, which is really code for saying that fun money results to more flashy wins when you really can't win anything. So it's not unlikely that streamers are also getting some similar treatment as they don't play with their own money. This can attract their viewers to deposit and gamble with real money of course, but they'll very rarely get the same results.

This is something I've tried to highlight to my friends that want to get  into gambling, but overall not many people seem to be aware.
What has your experience been? Has this affected you or your friends?

I think the streamers win more often and that is normal because they play every single day with extended sessions since like you say that they are not spending real money from their own pocket,maybe a little but the majority of the money they spend is sponsored money or referral commission they make from the videos so as long as they are not spending real decent amount from their own money they can afford to be playing a lot of time and we know the longer we play the longer our chances to win in the slot machines,I know most people think the opposite while in fact it is the longer we play the longer the chance to hit something decent.Nothing to be surprised here.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: GxSTxV on November 19, 2023, 07:28:31 PM
What am I talking about? Well, at least once you must have stumbled upon a stream where someone plays slots. These streams are normally sponsored by the casino that hosts the games. They pay the streamer a salary and even fund his account. So the casino knows who the streamer is, what his account is and when he'll be playing.
Exactly, I have came across several streamers that play in casinos in order to promote them, well there is two different opinions about this matter.
First, as long as the casino itself tells you to gamble responsibly, and you also are legally allowed to do without anyone forcing you to do. So, you shouldn’t get influenced by those streamers no matter what. They are only doing their job and creating content about gambling or trying a casino they didn’t invite you or force you to gamble.

Second, which is going to be the opinion of most users and people here. Streamers that get paid and shows their winnings are paid by the casino and beside that they have more probabilities and rates of winning than other regular players at the casino. That’s why we always see those streamers win most of the time just to seduce people into gambling.

It’s important to not get into gambling if you can’t control yourself and manage your money well.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: goinmerry on November 19, 2023, 11:14:45 PM
First, as long as the casino itself tells you to gamble responsibly, and you also are legally allowed to do without anyone forcing you to do. So, you shouldn’t get influenced by those streamers no matter what. They are only doing their job and creating content about gambling or trying a casino they didn’t invite you or force you to gamble.

And since these streamers also paid for a number of views, they will just continue to create gambling-related content specifically targeting those gambling community audiences regardless if they are affiliated or not by these gambling sites. In most cases, some gambling streamers are not really partnered with a gambling site. They just want to lure viewers to their channels and show their experience regarding that gambling site.

Second, which is going to be the opinion of most users and people here. Streamers that get paid and shows their winnings are paid by the casino and beside that they have more probabilities and rates of winning than other regular players at the casino. That’s why we always see those streamers win most of the time just to seduce people into gambling.

I don't believe that those winnings are paid by the casino intentionally and these guys are using a specific program provided by the gambling site to increase the probability of winning. Since they are partnered with the casino, they will be given a huge bankroll to play with. In gambling, the longer your bankroll lasts, the more chances to win big and that's the reason why paid streamers always win big in their stream.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: robelneo on November 19, 2023, 11:58:46 PM


I don't believe that those winnings are paid by the casino intentionally and these guys are using a specific program provided by the gambling site to increase the probability of winning. Since they are partnered with the casino, they will be given a huge bankroll to play with. In gambling, the longer your bankroll lasts, the more chances to win big and that's the reason why paid streamers always win big in their stream.
I also don't believe it,  it will harm the casino's reputation if one streamer comes out and exposes a casino by saying that he is playing on a different platform other than all the gamblers are playing, they might even blackmail the casino to expose that they rigged the game in favor of the streamers.
I will accept the bankroll distribution, it's an open secret and this is to test the platform and entice gamblers to deposit more and play the games like streamers do, it's to entice gamblers that they can duplicate the streamer's success.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: angrybirdy on November 20, 2023, 06:30:40 AM


I don't believe that those winnings are paid by the casino intentionally and these guys are using a specific program provided by the gambling site to increase the probability of winning. Since they are partnered with the casino, they will be given a huge bankroll to play with. In gambling, the longer your bankroll lasts, the more chances to win big and that's the reason why paid streamers always win big in their stream.
I also don't believe it,  it will harm the casino's reputation if one streamer comes out and exposes a casino by saying that he is playing on a different platform other than all the gamblers are playing, they might even blackmail the casino to expose that they rigged the game in favor of the streamers.
I will accept the bankroll distribution, it's an open secret and this is to test the platform and entice gamblers to deposit more and play the games like streamers do, it's to entice gamblers that they can duplicate the streamer's success.
Even if they don't reveal the truth, It's very obvious that there's something wrong in their live streams and vlogs. winning a huge amount of money in a row is really surprising and intrigguing because it didn't happen in real life. it's just a common sense that gambling agency sites have something to do with what's going on, some livestreamers may be using set up accounts.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: piebeyb on November 20, 2023, 06:51:23 AM
I will accept the bankroll distribution, it's an open secret and this is to test the platform and entice gamblers to deposit more and play the games like streamers do, it's to entice gamblers that they can duplicate the streamer's success.
Yes, that's the existing system regarding streamers who collaborate with casinos, so it's no longer a public secret, we all know that winnings are manipulated just to attract the attention of new users, otherwise it's so difficult to attract attention, especially of course novice gamblers need to see their winnings to make sure they play well. Big bets are more profitable than smaller bets.

Usually streamers never bet with small bets to convince people to bet bigger, because that is the marketing system carried out by the casino and of course beginners who are new to gambling and want to gamble will be tempted to make large deposits to gamble with bets. the greater one. but for old gamblers maybe this is no longer an open secret and of course new users will learn from their failures and realize their mistake about streamers winning big is just marketing.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: moneystery on November 20, 2023, 07:11:26 AM
most of the streamer is an endorsment ordered by casino to be able to promote their games to more people. these streamers usually play from special accounts provided by the casino platform that makes them likely to win more beating compared to usual players. no need to be surprised that the play history of the streamers is better because it has all been arranged by the casino platform.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: malcovi2 on November 20, 2023, 07:50:11 AM
I have watched some streamers and most of the time they lose while chasing these big wins.
I don't believe in the special account given by casinos because if you compute their overall P&L they are still in the negative.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Oasisman on November 20, 2023, 08:09:27 AM


I don't believe that those winnings are paid by the casino intentionally and these guys are using a specific program provided by the gambling site to increase the probability of winning. Since they are partnered with the casino, they will be given a huge bankroll to play with. In gambling, the longer your bankroll lasts, the more chances to win big and that's the reason why paid streamers always win big in their stream.
I also don't believe it,  it will harm the casino's reputation if one streamer comes out and exposes a casino by saying that he is playing on a different platform other than all the gamblers are playing, they might even blackmail the casino to expose that they rigged the game in favor of the streamers.
I will accept the bankroll distribution, it's an open secret and this is to test the platform and entice gamblers to deposit more and play the games like streamers do, it's to entice gamblers that they can duplicate the streamer's success.

I guess streamer can't stuff like blackmailing, exposing, or anything like this as they are most probably has an agreement with the casino before they engage with each other's terms. Unless there's a bit of a misunderstanding and the streamer resort to that, It will spark a legal disputes.
But if a streamer is well-paid, we'll expect no negative feed backs from them on that specific casino they are working with.
It's not even an open secret, It's a common sense for everyone that If someone is working for any gambling platform it is expected that they will tweak their system a little bit so the person who is advertising or playing live on the platform would look like he's winning everytime. And yeah to entice people to play on that specific gambling platform.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: maydna on November 20, 2023, 09:53:22 AM
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You are watching streamers just like how it was intended which is correct way of doing it. Many people are doubtful because they are venting their stress on their personal losses to streamers that winning and called it unfair while this streamers lose a lot too probably not recorded.

Streamers should be watch for entertainment purposes only and not a role model on gambling because everyone has different result due to luck is random same with the slot games result.
That's why when we watch streamers playing slots, we don't need to take it too seriously. Anything can happen, including what we will experience in gambling games. We can't hope too much to get a big win like the streamer experienced. We are different from those streamers in that we also need to control spending money on gambling. Moreover, we also don't know whether the money used by the streamer is his own money or the money given by the casino so he can make videos of his slot games to attract people to visit his casino.

Yes, agree with you to just watch the streamer without any feelings. We just need to enjoy the slot game without being affected. If other people are affected, let them be because we have to be responsible with the money we use for gambling.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: ultrloa on November 20, 2023, 10:00:06 AM


I don't believe that those winnings are paid by the casino intentionally and these guys are using a specific program provided by the gambling site to increase the probability of winning. Since they are partnered with the casino, they will be given a huge bankroll to play with. In gambling, the longer your bankroll lasts, the more chances to win big and that's the reason why paid streamers always win big in their stream.
I also don't believe it,  it will harm the casino's reputation if one streamer comes out and exposes a casino by saying that he is playing on a different platform other than all the gamblers are playing, they might even blackmail the casino to expose that they rigged the game in favor of the streamers.
I will accept the bankroll distribution, it's an open secret and this is to test the platform and entice gamblers to deposit more and play the games like streamers do, it's to entice gamblers that they can duplicate the streamer's success.
Even if they don't reveal the truth, It's very obvious that there's something wrong in their live streams and vlogs. winning a huge amount of money in a row is really surprising and intrigguing because it didn't happen in real life. it's just a common sense that gambling agency sites have something to do with what's going on, some livestreamers may be using set up accounts.


We can really determine that they are very obvious by their activities done on the live stream like they will not have any doubts to place a huge amount of money on risky bets and that would totally give us an idea that they are not really for real since if a person who bet a huge amount will do all just to make their bet secured and think about something more great to increase their chance to win.

Unlike those streamer which bet without even thinking or doing some counting on how many times they win or lose before they place a huge bet.

For this kind of streamers maybe we should not take them heavily and just treat them as part of entertainment since for sure they will not give anything good to us if we heavily follow what they do since the result will provably different to what they show on screen.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: passwordnow on November 20, 2023, 10:06:22 AM
We can really determine that they are very obvious by their activities done on the live stream like they will not have any doubts to place a huge amount of money on risky bets and that would totally give us an idea that they are not really for real since if a person who bet a huge amount will do all just to make their bet secured and think about something more great to increase their chance to win.
Those streamers that are doing it for their business and advertisements are fearless when it's about the bets that they're making. They're not going to fear any amount because all of it are provided for them to show to their viewers as if they're actually gambling. But the reality is that they're all doing it for the casino that they're advertising and they have been paid to do that.

Unlike those streamer which bet without even thinking or doing some counting on how many times they win or lose before they place a huge bet.
That's true, those that are not sponsored. They are going to bet fearless as well but they are not committed in doing so because they don't have any affiliation to any casino because all they need to do is to enjoy their own company and to have fun together with their viewers. The interaction from these types of streamers are for real when they see some fans of theirs are staying on their livestream.

For this kind of streamers maybe we should not take them heavily and just treat them as part of entertainment since for sure they will not give anything good to us if we heavily follow what they do since the result will provably different to what they show on screen.
Yeah, anyway both of them just treat it as an entertainment and if you're relying your gambling decisions with them then it means that you have to change. It is what viewers need to take that anything that they can se on the internet sometimes are true but mostly are not true.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: AicecreaME on November 20, 2023, 10:16:33 AM
Most streamers have paid partnership with the casino they are promoting with. It's most likely that the money they have on their gambling account is purely sponsored by the casino so they can play and showcase what it is like to bet and win more often. It is one of the tricks they have up on their sleeves so that people will be encouraged and be curious about what it feels like when you are the one playing and betting into the platform. Some of those newbies, most likely they will be pushed to deposit and try it themselves because they witnessed how good the winning might be during streams. It's the sole purpose of having those livestreams after all - to gain audience and to gain potential recruit of new players. Additionally, the streamers will likely earn from referral links or codes to be used by the players. So it is a win-win on their end: they get to play without spending a penny, they get paid, they earn from referrals, and they earn from the views generated in streams as well. As a bonus, some players even give them a reward or donation.

This is why it's important to discern a situation properly so you won't be tricked into something you can't commit into. When it seems too good to be true, it probably is.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Oilacris on November 20, 2023, 10:28:18 AM


I don't believe that those winnings are paid by the casino intentionally and these guys are using a specific program provided by the gambling site to increase the probability of winning. Since they are partnered with the casino, they will be given a huge bankroll to play with. In gambling, the longer your bankroll lasts, the more chances to win big and that's the reason why paid streamers always win big in their stream.
I also don't believe it,  it will harm the casino's reputation if one streamer comes out and exposes a casino by saying that he is playing on a different platform other than all the gamblers are playing, they might even blackmail the casino to expose that they rigged the game in favor of the streamers.
I will accept the bankroll distribution, it's an open secret and this is to test the platform and entice gamblers to deposit more and play the games like streamers do, it's to entice gamblers that they can duplicate the streamer's success.
Even if they don't reveal the truth, It's very obvious that there's something wrong in their live streams and vlogs. winning a huge amount of money in a row is really surprising and intrigguing because it didn't happen in real life. it's just a common sense that gambling agency sites have something to do with what's going on, some livestreamers may be using set up accounts.


We can really determine that they are very obvious by their activities done on the live stream like they will not have any doubts to place a huge amount of money on risky bets and that would totally give us an idea that they are not really for real since if a person who bet a huge amount will do all just to make their bet secured and think about something more great to increase their chance to win.

Unlike those streamer which bet without even thinking or doing some counting on how many times they win or lose before they place a huge bet.

For this kind of streamers maybe we should not take them heavily and just treat them as part of entertainment since for sure they will not give anything good to us if we heavily follow what they do since the result will provably different to what they show on screen.
When it comes on how they do bet then it is really that obvious that they are really that dont minding on how much they would be spending since  they are really that being funded by the casino itself then it would really be that understandable that you would really be that fascinated or having doubts or questions on how the heck they do really be able to win up on a constant manner or really on high chance? iIf you are that a total noob then you would really be that easily get blinded on whatever things happening on point but if you've been here on this market for a while now
then it would really be raising up those questions if its really that fair or they do really have that kind of advantage.

You would really be thinking that the game might be altered or being fixed to look those streamers/influencers to be that having that good winning rate.
Well, it is really just that an assumption about the probabilities which are actually that a possibility but there's no proof to this.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: cryptomaniac_xxx on November 20, 2023, 10:31:54 AM
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You are watching streamers just like how it was intended which is correct way of doing it. Many people are doubtful because they are venting their stress on their personal losses to streamers that winning and called it unfair while this streamers lose a lot too probably not recorded.

Streamers should be watch for entertainment purposes only and not a role model on gambling because everyone has different result due to luck is random same with the slot games result.
That's why when we watch streamers playing slots, we don't need to take it too seriously. Anything can happen, including what we will experience in gambling games. We can't hope too much to get a big win like the streamer experienced. We are different from those streamers in that we also need to control spending money on gambling. Moreover, we also don't know whether the money used by the streamer is his own money or the money given by the casino so he can make videos of his slot games to attract people to visit his casino.

Yes, agree with you to just watch the streamer without any feelings. We just need to enjoy the slot game without being affected. If other people are affected, let them be because we have to be responsible with the money we use for gambling.

Yeah, but there could be gamblers though that might be swayed and think that they can duplicate the winnings? I remember one thread about it, when someone after watching a stream, decided to try and play the same games and win big. But I do agree that majority of the wins are sometimes look too good to be true, and we don't know if it is rigged or something or the games is very adjusted by the casino themselves to make the win of the streamers or at least his chance to win is huge as compare to the real game wherein it's hard to get a bonus round regardless of what slot games it is. Because we all know what the RTP % is, and obviously, every game is based on pure luck. But if you look at those streamers, it looks like they are very lucky with that casino? So that is something for us to think about when we watch this games even if it is live.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: magneto on November 20, 2023, 11:08:56 AM
It's certainly an issue in streaming. I think that a lot of people are misled into thinking that winning is as easy as they depict it to be during these streams, but clearly it is not.

I've personally seen streamers flush down 5-6 figures down the drain without batting an eye, and honestly that is just ridiculous. If they are playing with their own money, then fine. But we all know what is happening with these people - they are getting loss back and even worse playing with casino funded money altogether. There have been plenty of videos on this matter on Youtube exposing the behind the scenes.

I know that this is a controversial topic, but I think that it's one that everyone needs to be aware of. Don't go out and blindly trust promoters with an agenda in anything, and that includes in online gambling.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Gozie51 on November 20, 2023, 11:27:57 AM
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We would know this as casinos say in their terms that playing with fun money does not incur the same level of randomness when playing with real money, which is really code for saying that fun money results to more flashy wins when you really can't win anything. So it's not unlikely that streamers are also getting some similar treatment as they don't play with their own money. This can attract their viewers to deposit and gamble with real money of course, but they'll very rarely get the same results.


Well this is looking like an allegation on casinos and their streamers and also with the free play mode. Like many gamblers have also made some complaints or they believe that there is some variations between playing with real money and free mode.

So that and what you are saying maybe logical but they are still standing as allegations against casinos and that is why when introducing newbies to gambling they should always be advised playing with real money they should bet reasonably and perhaps based on our conclusion to the difference between free mode and real betting, we can also advise them accordingly.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Strongkored on November 20, 2023, 11:43:23 AM
This is something I've tried to highlight to my friends that want to get  into gambling, but overall not many people seem to be aware.
What has your experience been? Has this affected you or your friends?
Do you mean person who's tempted to gamble after watching a streamer win a big win? If I'm not mistaken, a few days ago there was a member who made a thread about how he was tempted after watching a streamer and was lucky enough to get a win that was big enough for his size because the amount of money he got would certainly be proportional to the value of his bet.
I'm not someone who likes watching broadcasts from gambling streamers so the opportunity to be tempted by something like that is non-existent, and in fact for gamblers if they are not tempted because of broadcasts from streamers they can be tempted because of other forms of promotion and as long as they still use common sense in playing using money that they can afford to lose will be fine because it could be that the experience of losing money in gambling will give their the awareness to play responsibly.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: aioc on November 20, 2023, 11:55:53 AM
It's certainly an issue in streaming. I think that a lot of people are misled into thinking that winning is as easy as they depict it to be during these streams, but clearly it is not.

I've personally seen streamers flush down 5-6 figures down the drain without batting an eye, and honestly that is just ridiculous. If they are playing with their own money, then fine. But we all know what is happening with these people - they are getting loss back and even worse playing with casino funded money altogether. There have been plenty of videos on this matter on Youtube exposing the behind the scenes.

I know that this is a controversial topic, but I think that it's one that everyone needs to be aware of. Don't go out and blindly trust promoters with an agenda in anything, and that includes in online gambling.

If you're a newbie in the world of gambling and do not know the facts about the streamer's collaboration with the casinos you will be attracted to deposit money and increase your bankroll by watching how it's easy for streamers to accumulate those big wins, that is why streamers can be considered as one of the top promoters of casinos you can see how they win and how they make it easy, but make no mistakes about it there are also streamers who lose a lot of money, and there are independent streamers who drain a lot of money we have a thread on that and he is trying to expose casinos as rigged.
In the world of gambling if you're a beginner, don't just believe in what you see and how easy to win, or else you will regret it because the house always wins.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: yazher on November 20, 2023, 12:11:24 PM
most of the streamer is an endorsment ordered by casino to be able to promote their games to more people. these streamers usually play from special accounts provided by the casino platform that makes them likely to win more beating compared to usual players. no need to be surprised that the play history of the streamers is better because it has all been arranged by the casino platform.

I saw more of these fake promotions when I watched reels on Facebook and it seemed like they were just winning like a person who is harvesting fruits from a tree, this should not become anyone's reference to play because this is obviously not true and they are just deceiving the people who are prone to these kinds of advertisement. This is why people shouldn't believe everything they see on the Internet because those fabricators and liars are mostly here and in this kind of platform, there is no stopping them from using every trick in the book just to fool you.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: maydna on November 20, 2023, 12:16:19 PM
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Yeah, but there could be gamblers though that might be swayed and think that they can duplicate the winnings? I remember one thread about it, when someone after watching a stream, decided to try and play the same games and win big. But I do agree that majority of the wins are sometimes look too good to be true, and we don't know if it is rigged or something or the games is very adjusted by the casino themselves to make the win of the streamers or at least his chance to win is huge as compare to the real game wherein it's hard to get a bonus round regardless of what slot games it is. Because we all know what the RTP % is, and obviously, every game is based on pure luck. But if you look at those streamers, it looks like they are very lucky with that casino? So that is something for us to think about when we watch this games even if it is live.
Yes, there are definitely viewers who are triggered to play slots after they watch the streamer play their favorite slot. Yes, I also read the thread, and he was really lucky to get a big win. Something very rare for many other gamblers is that they decide to play the same slot as the streamer and can win big. We only know that the streamer was really lucky to get a big win, but we don't know what is really behind the slot game. We won't be able to know the truth because we have nothing to do with the streamer. And I agree that slot games require luck, which we have to have so we can win. And depending on whether small or big luck will determine our victory. We also don't need to be triggered by the streamer who managed to win the slot game because each of us has different luck.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Marvelman on November 20, 2023, 06:49:09 PM
Yes, multiple ex-streamers have already confirmed that everything was staged and fake, orchestrated by the casino. You wouldn't believe how many people don't realize what's going on behind those paid streams.  The whole thing is sponsored by the casino, who funds the account and  makes those insane winning streaks possible. Those aren't really just dumb luck.  Its like they're playing a different game with special rules.  I think it's worth pointing out, but it doesn't seem like everyone has caught onto this other side of things yet.


It would be great if you have given the link where those ex-streamers exposed and admit that their streams performance are staged.  Probably I have not encounter streamers where their session is staged by the casino itself, since most of streamers I watched are even cursing the slots game they are playing because of their bad session.

I believe there is also some instances where a streamer sponsored by a casino often use a special link where the RTP is way higher than the normal slots game, but to prove such thing is somehow difficult because we do not access on that link and those who are involved on the scripted streams won't tell people about it unless they end up in a not so good relation with the casino they used to work with.

Everything is possible in an online stream, but I would say that not all streamers sponsored by a casino use such dirty method in luring people into gambling.

A while back I read something about this online, but now I can't find the links anymore.  There was some streamer who came out and said they had a deal with a casino.  The casino set up games where the streamer was guaranteed to hit a big win on stream.  Obvious play to get more people watching and 

i don't have the articles anymore, but they talked about how fake streamers get away with stuff like that.  Shady backroom deals to rig games and make it look like they're winning all this money.  Casinos looking for publicity will set up deals where the streamer cant lose.  It gets them views and brings in new players.  Probably not even legal when you think about it.

I dunno, the whole streaming gambling scene seems fake to me.  Some of this is mentioned in these articles:

https://www.ltccasino.com/fake-streamers-exposed
https://www.onlinecasinos.org.uk/articles/slot-streamers.html
https://bagogames.com/dont-fall-for-the-fake-how-streamers-get-paid-to-fake-it/



Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: rahmad2nd on November 20, 2023, 09:02:48 PM
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This is something I've tried to highlight to my friends that want to get  into gambling, but overall not many people seem to be aware.
What has your experience been? Has this affected you or your friends?

We've discussed several times what you said, yep, like the contents of your thread. I'm quite sure, most of our society is very aware of what streamers do wherever the platform on which they create their gambling content is done. I don't see if there is any problem going on, or any conspiracy for that matter. I think it's fine what they do. After all, as long as they are paid, and they are happy to do it, especially if they don't break the law, that is their right.

Now the problem is with us who watch it. especially for those who like watching gambling streamers. if you think the way you think in your thread, theoretically other people almost think the same way. especially, for those of us who are very familiar with gambling. maybe yes, for beginners or amateur gamblers. they will be amazed, by what they have just witnessed.
Just imagine, quite a few streamers bet with fantastic value, regardless of whether it is true or not. the point is, now on ourselves.

For me, all of that doesn't matter and just consider it entertaining entertainment. especially, when they carry out hysterical acts. Funny enough isn't it, can't we just see it from the other side instead of focusing on what they won. Yep, it's that simple for me.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: mvdheuvel1983 on November 20, 2023, 09:25:22 PM
The thing is, that these streamers get big wins so often that it seems very unlikely for their streaks to be happening at random. 
Whenever I have the time to watch these streamers, I tell myself in comfort that this is more than just luck. Yes it is more than just some random luck coming in to play. What is it that if the average person plays the slot they hardly win as much as the streamer does? It smells fishy. These streamers are promoting the casinos so it is only right that they make them win to given a good PR a lost is bad for the business and they wouldn't want that. The real question is that do these streamers actually cash out their winnings or it is just for show?


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Fatunad on November 20, 2023, 09:37:06 PM
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This is something I've tried to highlight to my friends that want to get  into gambling, but overall not many people seem to be aware.
What has your experience been? Has this affected you or your friends?

We've discussed several times what you said, yep, like the contents of your thread. I'm quite sure, most of our society is very aware of what streamers do wherever the platform on which they create their gambling content is done. I don't see if there is any problem going on, or any conspiracy for that matter. I think it's fine what they do. After all, as long as they are paid, and they are happy to do it, especially if they don't break the law, that is their right.

Now the problem is with us who watch it. especially for those who like watching gambling streamers. if you think the way you think in your thread, theoretically other people almost think the same way. especially, for those of us who are very familiar with gambling. maybe yes, for beginners or amateur gamblers. they will be amazed, by what they have just witnessed.
Just imagine, quite a few streamers bet with fantastic value, regardless of whether it is true or not. the point is, now on ourselves.

For me, all of that doesn't matter and just consider it entertaining entertainment. especially, when they carry out hysterical acts. Funny enough isn't it, can't we just see it from the other side instead of focusing on what they won. Yep, it's that simple for me.
For you it is really just that something to be normal or something really just that fine or simply doesnt really care but we know that there are people who do easily get envious on the time that they would be seeing someone who do able to make up some big win on the time that they do gamble on which it would really be creating out that kind of idea that you might really be that able to get or experience on the same thing when you do tend to play. Its true that when seeing someone then it would really be just that depending on ours whether we would really be that highly impulsive and making out some assumptions that it might be something that shady or really that suspicious on why they are winning constantly or having on higher rates on which it would be leading out to the idea that they might be that giving out some chance by the house itself
to make them look a solid winner?

There's no way on proving it out unless if its really been that busted but after all these years on which those things are really just that assumptions
but without having those solid evidences.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on November 24, 2023, 09:58:02 PM
The thing is, that these streamers get big wins so often that it seems very unlikely for their streaks to be happening at random. 
Whenever I have the time to watch these streamers, I tell myself in comfort that this is more than just luck. Yes it is more than just some random luck coming in to play. What is it that if the average person plays the slot they hardly win as much as the streamer does? It smells fishy. These streamers are promoting the casinos so it is only right that they make them win to given a good PR a lost is bad for the business and they wouldn't want that. The real question is that do these streamers actually cash out their winnings or it is just for show?

I've also asked myself all that, and I think that's something that Only they know, I personally think so, because a stramer earns a lot of money, and the casinos pay very well, and if they reach very remote communities and Communities, well , That is beneficial for a casino, I could think that if I see a streamer playing, as I have seen, it is difficult for them to win, there are some who lose, and the system behaves normally as if we were playing , it seems to me that it is something fair in their system, maybe the treamers in that oemtno because they enjoy having good luck and win, it could be what the situation is, it could be that things are done for the better, but personally I would think that things are very given to accept anything, I am one of those who think that a streamer will always be people who have money , because they will influence you, and even though now Twitch has so many restrictions, which seems inappropriate to me, because the caisno is not the fault of those who do and don't do ls live, because it is the Error of the platforms that saw their rules, not of the casinos.

I would think that an industry as large as casinos, games of chance, sports betting can be very relevant in everything, I would say that an influencer is somewhat Responsible if before playing he says the main things about a casino, that they say that the casino is just for having fun, you only have to put in the money you are willing to lose , you Should not Spend more than what you are committed to, and a casino will always have the house advantage for the best profit , It is advisable to go and withdraw to enjoy the profits, it is the best thing that can be done, of course I am one of those who think this way because I have seen many cases where the Person wins a lot in a casino and bets it, it is a mistake because What most of them do is lose a lot , and sometimes they lose all the money and have to take Out their own money to continue Playing.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: junder on November 24, 2023, 10:25:50 PM
The thing is, that these streamers get big wins so often that it seems very unlikely for their streaks to be happening at random. 
Whenever I have the time to watch these streamers, I tell myself in comfort that this is more than just luck. Yes it is more than just some random luck coming in to play. What is it that if the average person plays the slot they hardly win as much as the streamer does? It smells fishy. These streamers are promoting the casinos so it is only right that they make them win to given a good PR a lost is bad for the business and they wouldn't want that. The real question is that do these streamers actually cash out their winnings or it is just for show?

Yes I also think that way, the winnings of the stremers are too good so that it makes us assume that it seems like it doesn't make sense and even more than just luck, it seems like this is suspicious, and honestly I have long suspected the stremers whose winnings seem to make no sense, as we know that basically gambling is nothing more than an activity that always depends on luck but on the other hand when we watch them play through streming it seems very easy to be able to get even very big wins.

And yes it seems that my suspicions are correct, as you said it makes more sense that they get that big win if indeed they are one of the people told by the casino to promote their gambling site, I am sure that statement is 99% true, because there is no way they can always get such luck every time they play while doing live streming on several social media. On the other hand, it seems that the casino's goal is to give good wins to the stremers in order to attract more people to play there. It seems that the account played by the stremers is nothing more than a promotional account provided by the casino and the casino has arranged everything so that the spin there is very good, that makes more sense, so the point is not to be easily tempted by whatever you see when you see the stremers win.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Westinhome on November 24, 2023, 10:30:00 PM

I've also asked myself all that, and I think that's something that Only they know, I personally think so, because a stramer earns a lot of money, and the casinos pay very well, and if they reach very remote communities and Communities, well , That is beneficial for a casino, I could think that if I see a streamer playing, as I have seen, it is difficult for them to win, there are some who lose, and the system behaves normally as if we were playing , it seems to me that it is something fair in their system, maybe the treamers in that oemtno because they enjoy having good luck and win, it could be what the situation is, it could be that things are done for the better, but personally I would think that things are very given to accept anything, I am one of those who think that a streamer will always be people who have money , because they will influence you, and even though now Twitch has so many restrictions, which seems inappropriate to me, because the caisno is not the fault of those who do and don't do ls live, because it is the Error of the platforms that saw their rules, not of the casinos.

I would think that an industry as large as casinos, games of chance, sports betting can be very relevant in everything, I would say that an influencer is somewhat Responsible if before playing he says the main things about a casino, that they say that the casino is just for having fun, you only have to put in the money you are willing to lose , you Should not Spend more than what you are committed to, and a casino will always have the house advantage for the best profit , It is advisable to go and withdraw to enjoy the profits, it is the best thing that can be done, of course I am one of those who think this way because I have seen many cases where the Person wins a lot in a casino and bets it, it is a mistake because What most of them do is lose a lot , and sometimes they lose all the money and have to take Out their own money to continue Playing.

The gambling world is totally different one,it had stremer and they earn some money from the gambling site.The gambling site surely earn by conducting the game between the two players.The players should build the tactics to win the game,many people tell us the gambling was purely based on the luck.But the gambling based on the luck only if the game like lottery or lucky draw.But the game based on the prediction can be crack by using the tactics.So now you understand the money flow to the gambler and the other gambler based on the gambler who crack the tactics of the certain game.So the loser of the gambling site will be the person who do random betting in the gambling site.One research center wording was 80 percentage of the gambler was doing the random bets in gambling site.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Quidat on November 24, 2023, 10:35:24 PM

I've also asked myself all that, and I think that's something that Only they know, I personally think so, because a stramer earns a lot of money, and the casinos pay very well, and if they reach very remote communities and Communities, well , That is beneficial for a casino, I could think that if I see a streamer playing, as I have seen, it is difficult for them to win, there are some who lose, and the system behaves normally as if we were playing , it seems to me that it is something fair in their system, maybe the treamers in that oemtno because they enjoy having good luck and win, it could be what the situation is, it could be that things are done for the better, but personally I would think that things are very given to accept anything, I am one of those who think that a streamer will always be people who have money , because they will influence you, and even though now Twitch has so many restrictions, which seems inappropriate to me, because the caisno is not the fault of those who do and don't do ls live, because it is the Error of the platforms that saw their rules, not of the casinos.

I would think that an industry as large as casinos, games of chance, sports betting can be very relevant in everything, I would say that an influencer is somewhat Responsible if before playing he says the main things about a casino, that they say that the casino is just for having fun, you only have to put in the money you are willing to lose , you Should not Spend more than what you are committed to, and a casino will always have the house advantage for the best profit , It is advisable to go and withdraw to enjoy the profits, it is the best thing that can be done, of course I am one of those who think this way because I have seen many cases where the Person wins a lot in a casino and bets it, it is a mistake because What most of them do is lose a lot , and sometimes they lose all the money and have to take Out their own money to continue Playing.

The gambling world is totally different one,it had stremer and they earn some money from the gambling site.The gambling site surely earn by conducting the game between the two players.The players should build the tactics to win the game,many people tell us the gambling was purely based on the luck.But the gambling based on the luck only if the game like lottery or lucky draw.But the game based on the prediction can be crack by using the tactics.So now you understand the money flow to the gambler and the other gambler based on the gambler who crack the tactics of the certain game.So the loser of the gambling site will be the person who do random betting in the gambling site.One research center wording was 80 percentage of the gambler was doing the random bets in gambling site.
The money that they do earn on a gambling site is on the money that they do get when they do finished the job.I dont really believe that a certain influencer would really be that gambling heavily
with their own money which it is really just that impossible and its really that unlikely that they arent aware on how risky it is and how much you could potentially be wasting up your money
with that one. This is why whenever we do see that they are  having so much money with their gambling account then it is likely that those funds are given by the house or company itself.
Seems like that they are really that winning to often? There's no way that we could prove out but it is normal that people would be thinking that they might have that
increased odds of winning by the house itself.  ;D


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Casdinyard on November 24, 2023, 10:42:38 PM
I think it's common knowledge that most streamers who have been sponsored by gambling sites have been using special accounts with amped win percentages, to paint the impression that the casino they are playing with is generous with its rewards. It's been like that with xQc as much as he doesn't want to admit it, and countless other twitch streamers before the ban. I say it's so easy for people who have been in this industry to dodge this bullet and be more cautious when watching these streamers, but at the same time, we got newbs who would literally assume that this is how generous crypto casinos are, until they get the beating of a lifetime and realize that all of it was nothing but a marketing tactic meant to fool these people out of their pocket money. Be more vigilant and smart, and of course, know that not all that shines is gold.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: gunhell16 on November 24, 2023, 11:07:21 PM
I think this is something more people should be aware of. To begin with, it might seem like common sense to people in this board since most here are experienced with games and gambling platforms.
But to any new comer into the gambling scene it probably isn't as obvious.

What am I talking about? Well, at least once you must have stumbled upon a stream where someone plays slots. These streams are normally sponsored by the casino that hosts the games. They pay the streamer a salary and even fund his account. So the casino knows who the streamer is, what his account is and when he'll be playing.

The thing is, that these streamers get big wins so often that it seems very unlikely for their streaks to be happening at random.

We would know this as casinos say in their terms that playing with fun money does not incur the same level of randomness when playing with real money, which is really code for saying that fun money results to more flashy wins when you really can't win anything. So it's not unlikely that streamers are also getting some similar treatment as they don't play with their own money. This can attract their viewers to deposit and gamble with real money of course, but they'll very rarely get the same results.

This is something I've tried to highlight to my friends that want to get  into gambling, but overall not many people seem to be aware.
What has your experience been? Has this affected you or your friends?

It's true that most communities that like to gamble are not aware of what you are saying, which they are supposed to be aware of as gamblers like us. Now, when it comes to streamers, all of them are actually paid by the casinos that they promote on the social media platform.

And since they are paid, most or all of them use demo accounts, and you will rarely show that they are losing, so they can tell their viewers that they are telling the truth, but the truth is that they are just cheating. The owner is aware of the promotions they are doing; they may be showing that they have already won a lot, but they are not showing that they have actually released it from the casino platform they are promoting. That is what they always do.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Wiwo on November 24, 2023, 11:32:59 PM
I think it's common knowledge that most streamers who have been sponsored by gambling sites have been using special accounts with amped win percentages, to paint the impression that the casino they are playing with is generous with its rewards. It's been like that with xQc as much as he doesn't want to admit it, and countless other twitch streamers before the ban. I say it's so easy for people who have been in this industry to dodge this bullet and be more cautious when watching these streamers, but at the same time, we got newbs who would literally assume that this is how generous crypto casinos are until they get the beating of a lifetime and realize that all of it was nothing but a marketing tactic meant to fool these people out of their pocket money. Be more vigilant and smart, and of course, know that not all that shines is gold.
I have stopped listening to or watching streamers for quite a long time now,  and the reason is because of the inability to convince myself that they are not rigged at all times because some of the streamers have shown some level of dissatisfaction in their approach and gameplay that exposes some aspect of the whole show being a possible rigged shows

So for that, gamblers either watch them for the fun and entertainment part of it rather than taking them streamers.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: o48o on November 24, 2023, 11:51:53 PM
I think this is something more people should be aware of. To begin with, it might seem like common sense to people in this board since most here are experienced with games and gambling platforms.
But to any new comer into the gambling scene it probably isn't as obvious.

What am I talking about? Well, at least once you must have stumbled upon a stream where someone plays slots. These streams are normally sponsored by the casino that hosts the games. They pay the streamer a salary and even fund his account. So the casino knows who the streamer is, what his account is and when he'll be playing.

The thing is, that these streamers get big wins so often that it seems very unlikely for their streaks to be happening at random.

We would know this as casinos say in their terms that playing with fun money does not incur the same level of randomness when playing with real money, which is really code for saying that fun money results to more flashy wins when you really can't win anything. So it's not unlikely that streamers are also getting some similar treatment as they don't play with their own money. This can attract their viewers to deposit and gamble with real money of course, but they'll very rarely get the same results.

This is something I've tried to highlight to my friends that want to get  into gambling, but overall not many people seem to be aware.
What has your experience been? Has this affected you or your friends?
Thing is, these are only theories as we can't prove that. Also casinos would be risking everything as they are constantly being audited. And we have to also remember that these influencers are playing with insanely large bets, and winning with them will get our attention, but we don't tend to register every lost bet as they slowly pile up. We notice surprisingly big jackpots easily, as hose videos will get shared in social media way more often then someone slowly losing their balance. Because that would be boring to watch and is no interest to anyone.

So getting more retweets for your biggest jackpot, then to your losing streak is understandable. That doesn't mean you are favorited by anyone, but it would look like that, especially if you were looking unconsciously for confirmation bias.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Slow death on November 25, 2023, 02:44:59 PM
In my opinion we have to look at Streamers as just people who are playing to show us how certain games work, but we shouldn't copy what Streamers are doing when they play, for example when Streamers put a lot of money into a plinko games section or some another game should not copy this, people should play with small amounts of money, if a person has, for example, a salary of 1000$ per month and only has 20$ per month allocated to play, then that person must manage their resources well. bankroll so that it is possible to play with $20 for 30 days. for people who have a higher salary and allocate much more than 20$ to play, then they have a better chance of winning something and more hours of games during the 30 days

Now when you look at the Streamer cases, things are very different, the Streamer is playing for the business they do, that is, the casinos pay the Streamers to play and when they play they see it as a job, not in the sense that they must make money from gambling, but rather they strive to represent themselves well, that is, they strive to appear as if they are really playing seriously and concerned about victories or defeats, they are fully aware that games of chance are not things to be given profit and focus on their Streamer business. I wonder how many Streamers put money from their pockets into casinos

If we did a survey, we would probably discover that only less than 30% of Streamers are playing with a lot of their own money in casinos. I don't know if when they play with money sponsored by the casino if the games they win are as transparent as when a normal person plays. I say this because if a person takes a camera and films himself playing and wins a lot and the next day the same thing and on other days he wins, and when an ordinary person who plays without filming himself and spends many days without winning anything in the same game as the Streamer plays and wins, so it becomes very suspicious


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: noormcs5 on November 25, 2023, 03:02:20 PM
Now when you look at the Streamer cases, things are very different, the Streamer is playing for the business they do, that is, the casinos pay the Streamers to play and when they play they see it as a job, not in the sense that they must make money from gambling, but rather they strive to represent themselves well, that is, they strive to appear as if they are really playing seriously and concerned about victories or defeats, they are fully aware that games of chance are not things to be given profit and focus on their Streamer business. I wonder how many Streamers put money from their pockets into casinos

Streamers are playing to promote the gambling sites and in most cases, they are funded by the gambling site to gamble with a lot of money and show their skills to the people and in return people may copy them and lose money.

Streamers' main source of earnings is not from gambling but from the money they either earn from the gambling sites (if they sponsor them) or they get money from the streaming platform where they stream.


Now when you look at the Streamer cases, things are very different, the Streamer is playing for the business they do, that is, the casinos pay the Streamers to play and when they play they see it as a job, not in the sense that they must make money from gambling, but rather they strive to represent themselves well, that is, they strive to appear as if they are really playing seriously and concerned about victories or defeats, they are fully aware that games of chance are not things to be given profit and focus on their Streamer business. I wonder how many Streamers put money from their pockets into casinos

I think only the new streamers who are not so popular, may use their own money to gamble while streaming. Once the streamers become popular and have a lot of audiences, then the gambling site's marketing teams may approach the streamers themselves and offer them money to stream their platform.

These are all marketing techniques and the end users that are gamblers should be aware of these tactics.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Solosanz on November 25, 2023, 03:13:31 PM
Thing is, these are only theories as we can't prove that. Also casinos would be risking everything as they are constantly being audited.
Alright, then give me a proof where the casinos are get audited? where's the financial report? :D

I'm not talking about the offline casinos, the online casinos especially the crypto casinos. They only have Curacao license, one of the weakest license for casino and even the casino turns scam, the regulator doesn't proceed the casinos and pay the gamblers.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Coin_trader on November 25, 2023, 03:17:17 PM
I have stopped listening to or watching streamers for quite a long time now,  and the reason is because of the inability to convince myself that they are not rigged at all times because some of the streamers have shown some level of dissatisfaction in their approach and gameplay that exposes some aspect of the whole show being a possible rigged shows

So for that, gamblers either watch them for the fun and entertainment part of it rather than taking them streamers.

I once a believer that streamer is not rigged but their frequent winning big before their stream end is kinda scripted already to me including those streamers that hitting big amount while the casino use it as news to attract more players to try is very questionable.

Aside from the streamer is using casino money, They probably use a unique account that already have a program to win big on a certain game once play multiple times. Most of the streamers that I’m watching usually win massive jackpot which is really hard to believe since the probability on hitting it every time they stream is very low yet they make it looks like so easy.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: EluguHcman on November 25, 2023, 04:44:31 PM
You are right @ OP, I have had a similar situation at my end around 2016 where I was coming back from work and came across a gathering which I was interested to know about.
While I walked in it was a shuffling card which I got interested to play after seeing lot of person's playing and making winnings.
I was desperate to play the game because it was as simple as I thought it could be when I watched others played and wins but getting to my turn, there was one of the girls in the midsts who signaled me not to get on the game but I didn't understand the facial expressions.
In the first place when I could watch others played and fails, the winning cards where easily for me to identify just like a demo as OP may have said.
So I make a stake and won once which I got impressed and was tempted to stake more for more wins but at the other rounds, the  board man reshuffled the cards and after then I was unable to win any longer til I was totally exhausted to an extend I had no transport fair to get home.

While I frustratedly stood by the road side, one of the girls who signalled me previously who happens to be one of the streamers told me that there is a partiality on the game that on the process of the boardman shuffling the game he ejected out the expected winning card so there would be no way I could guess to point at the right card to win anymore.

She said to me that she tends to tell me about this because her boss haven't been paying them rather he only has them to stream the game in the streets and she also asked me to keep off from such scenarios of gambling because they have branches and some other corners.

I visited the place in about 5days later but they were not there anymore simply because they have ruined and extorted people enough in the areas that only them at the gambling board knows the key to the winning


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Lorence.xD on November 25, 2023, 05:15:33 PM
I have stopped listening to or watching streamers for quite a long time now,  and the reason is because of the inability to convince myself that they are not rigged at all times because some of the streamers have shown some level of dissatisfaction in their approach and gameplay that exposes some aspect of the whole show being a possible rigged shows

So for that, gamblers either watch them for the fun and entertainment part of it rather than taking them streamers.

I once a believer that streamer is not rigged but their frequent winning big before their stream end is kinda scripted already to me including those streamers that hitting big amount while the casino use it as news to attract more players to try is very questionable.

Aside from the streamer is using casino money, They probably use a unique account that already have a program to win big on a certain game once play multiple times. Most of the streamers that I’m watching usually win massive jackpot which is really hard to believe since the probability on hitting it every time they stream is very low yet they make it looks like so easy.

It is because sometimes those streamers are pretty popular like in their own country, so people wouldn't expect that streamer to scam and manipulate people by showing clips or videos online of them winning huge amounts on a gambling game. For that reason, I think it's normal for people to believe them as sometimes they would provide proof of cashout which is totally fake. As a developer for sure you could make an account or the gambling itself to favor you, so if you are planning to catch people's interest and attention, you would literally ask for someone's popularity and give them a rigged account. Streamers would literally accept that offer cause they would be paid by simply promoting their gambling game, mentioning them in their every video, and of course advertisement, they can easily have an alibi by simply telling to people that they are not aware of the scam of the developers.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: bakasabo on November 25, 2023, 05:32:56 PM
I find it also strange thar only streamers (on a small amount of just lucky gamblers) win huge amount, get high multipliers or get free spins often. I also find it strange how those streamers make huge bets. I have seen a guy who gambled with $100 in every spin, and  I wasnt surprised, that exactly during their streams and with such huge bet they win a lot. So they during 30-60min stream win several thousands. Just imagine if they luck would last 8h per day, 5 working days per week. Their luck seems so much unbelieveble.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Unbunplease on November 25, 2023, 05:49:07 PM
I find it also strange thar only streamers (on a small amount of just lucky gamblers) win huge amount, get high multipliers or get free spins often. I also find it strange how those streamers make huge bets. I have seen a guy who gambled with $100 in every spin, and  I wasnt surprised, that exactly during their streams and with such huge bet they win a lot. So they during 30-60min stream win several thousands. Just imagine if they luck would last 8h per day, 5 working days per week. Their luck seems so much unbelieveble.

The main question you should ask yourself is why stream if a person is already making great money. At the same time, the tax authorities may have questions - if a person is so successful, why does he pay so little tax? And the organized crime may be interested in -- after all, the man walks on the street.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Dewi Aries on November 25, 2023, 06:19:31 PM
I find it also strange thar only streamers (on a small amount of just lucky gamblers) win huge amount, get high multipliers or get free spins often. I also find it strange how those streamers make huge bets. I have seen a guy who gambled with $100 in every spin, and  I wasnt surprised, that exactly during their streams and with such huge bet they win a lot. So they during 30-60min stream win several thousands. Just imagine if they luck would last 8h per day, 5 working days per week. Their luck seems so much unbelieveble.

I think it's not just you who feel that there is something strange about the luck that the stremers have, is it by becoming a stremer then it will be able to increase the percentage of our luck? haha that's silly and forget it, basically luck cannot be edited or improved by ourselves, it's not luck if you can bring it so easily.

The amount of money at stake by the stremers is no joke, as you said they risked $100 in each round, if I was in such conditions, or I mean betting with such a large amount it seems I would not be as relaxed as them, of course there is a high level of concern because the risk I take is very high while on the other hand the final result cannot be predicted. Honestly, with what I see from them I have a big suspicion that is still unanswered, it seems like there is a third party helping them, I'm sure some people here know what I mean by third party. :P


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: stomachgrowls on November 25, 2023, 06:33:53 PM
I have stopped listening to or watching streamers for quite a long time now,  and the reason is because of the inability to convince myself that they are not rigged at all times because some of the streamers have shown some level of dissatisfaction in their approach and gameplay that exposes some aspect of the whole show being a possible rigged shows

So for that, gamblers either watch them for the fun and entertainment part of it rather than taking them streamers.

I once a believer that streamer is not rigged but their frequent winning big before their stream end is kinda scripted already to me including those streamers that hitting big amount while the casino use it as news to attract more players to try is very questionable.

Aside from the streamer is using casino money, They probably use a unique account that already have a program to win big on a certain game once play multiple times. Most of the streamers that I’m watching usually win massive jackpot which is really hard to believe since the probability on hitting it every time they stream is very low yet they make it looks like so easy.

It is because sometimes those streamers are pretty popular like in their own country, so people wouldn't expect that streamer to scam and manipulate people by showing clips or videos online of them winning huge amounts on a gambling game. For that reason, I think it's normal for people to believe them as sometimes they would provide proof of cashout which is totally fake. As a developer for sure you could make an account or the gambling itself to favor you, so if you are planning to catch people's interest and attention, you would literally ask for someone's popularity and give them a rigged account. Streamers would literally accept that offer cause they would be paid by simply promoting their gambling game, mentioning them in their every video, and of course advertisement, they can easily have an alibi by simply telling to people that they are not aware of the scam of the developers.
Also a streamer wont really be able to reach out that peak popularity or reputation if they were really that loving on decieving people via introducing or streaming out something which is shady.If it turns out that a
particular streamer is winning that much on a known platform/company/site then it is really just that normal that we should be thinking about probabilities yet being that lucky cant be crossed out.
Somehow on the time that the severity of winning is already that turn out to be that excessive then this is where suspicions would really start up on which on the time that winnings are
already that questionable. Well, we can be able to tell about winning that often or big amounts just because on the amount per bet or roll that they had put up is something big on which
on the time that they would make up some hit then it would be that significant. You would be thinking that they are really winning than on losing.

There's no way that we could be able to prove out but rather it would really be that ending up in all assumptions because we know that there's no way that it could really be
happening unless if the site is really that something very new or doesnt have that much reputation then possibility is there, proving out would be the
issue on this kind of situation.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: tjtonmoy on November 25, 2023, 07:15:39 PM
In gambling, everything is based on luck. You can not copy it from someone else and it is not a skill that you can improve over time by doing it over and over again. So following a streamer and trying to get the same luck as them is never an option. And yeah, what they play is rigged. It's a way for casino platforms to lure more people to gamble on their platforms. It is true that we learn many things by watching others do it. We can improve ourselves that way. But as I have already mentioned, it is based on luck. So there's no point in copying others. Especially streamers.

It is just a twisted way of promotion. And those who don't know about it, fall for this scam. Is it genius or a scam? That's up to you to decide. If you can identify it and avoid getting scammed, then it is genius but if you fall for it, it becomes a scam.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: alastantiger on November 25, 2023, 08:40:41 PM

streamers may get free money to wager without thinking too much, means more wagering = more chances to hit slots or win big payout.
The chances of a win is higher when the bets are higher. We all know this about casino games especially slots. And just like you I have once won, 110x my wager but never higher. I Keep wondering what's the maximum one can reach. Streamers do this all day long, their wins may be blown out of proportion despite the unknown underlying clauses they may have.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Wiwo on November 25, 2023, 09:50:43 PM
In gambling, everything is based on luck. You can not copy it from someone else and it is not a skill that you can improve over time by doing it over and over again. So following a streamer and trying to get the same luck as them is never an option. And yeah, what they play is rigged. It's a way for casino platforms to lure more people to gamble on their platforms. We indeed learn many things by watching others do it. We can improve ourselves that way. But as I have already mentioned, it is based on luck. So there's no point in copying others. Especially streamers.

It is just a twisted way of promotion. And those who don't know about it, fall for this scam. Is it genius or a scam? That's up to you to decide. If you can identify it and avoid getting scammed, then it is genius but if you fall for it, it becomes a scam.
I agree with you on that,  because gambling does not follow a particular pattern and at that one can be taken off guard if he puts so much hope in the luck of another person no matter what the level of success that the streamers have recorded,  as a gambler,  you must be aware of the fact that,  to be copying another gamblers game os the riskiest thing to do at all time and that should be totally avoided,

So for sure,  there os a possibility of making a good use of copy games but then we must have a settled fact that in doing that,  you must know that nothing goes for nothing and gambling is meant to be taken for just fun and at that there is no sure games and at some point,  you have to depend largely on your luck and whatever you can make up of the time to aid the winning.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Furious 7 on November 25, 2023, 09:57:11 PM

streamers may get free money to wager without thinking too much, means more wagering = more chances to hit slots or win big payout.
The chances of a win is higher when the bets are higher. We all know this about casino games especially slots. And just like you I have once won, 110x my wager but never higher. I Keep wondering what's the maximum one can reach. Streamers do this all day long, their wins may be blown out of proportion despite the unknown underlying clauses they may have.
Another problem to remember is that not all streamers gamble with their money because after all, we must be aware that there are many streamers who are assigned to gamble with certain sites to make it look like the site is good when it is just a marketing trick to bring some new users to the site in question.
They only work not gambling because in the end they only offer sites to play with the simulation of the streamers playing which of course will continue to be won to boost the assumption that the site is indeed good.
Although I agree that large bets will bring greater profits but on the other hand for them streamers things like nothing because in the end they play definitely set to win regardless of the amount of bets they do.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Vaskiy on November 25, 2023, 10:02:39 PM

streamers may get free money to wager without thinking too much, means more wagering = more chances to hit slots or win big payout.
The chances of a win is higher when the bets are higher. We all know this about casino games especially slots. And just like you I have once won, 110x my wager but never higher. I Keep wondering what's the maximum one can reach. Streamers do this all day long, their wins may be blown out of proportion despite the unknown underlying clauses they may have.
Another problem to remember is that not all streamers gamble with their money because after all, we must be aware that there are many streamers who are assigned to gamble with certain sites to make it look like the site is good when it is just a marketing trick to bring some new users to the site in question.
They only work not gambling because in the end they only offer sites to play with the simulation of the streamers playing which of course will continue to be won to boost the assumption that the site is indeed good.
Although I agree that large bets will bring greater profits but on the other hand for them streamers things like nothing because in the end they play definitely set to win regardless of the amount of bets they do.
Everything is kind of marketing and we need to be aware about the activities of the streamers. We should gamble for fun, which in reality is really hard. If we're rich enough or we have good money to spend this is possible. Next thing we should have the limits, and we should know what happens to a fellow gambler could happen to him. There are good number of people who had got into gambling just because his/her friends turned rich gambling. Good understanding about gambling is a must, if not this is going to be real hard to come out of it.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Furious 7 on November 26, 2023, 02:24:44 PM
Another problem to remember is that not all streamers gamble with their money because after all, we must be aware that there are many streamers who are assigned to gamble with certain sites to make it look like the site is good when it is just a marketing trick to bring some new users to the site in question.
They only work not gambling because in the end they only offer sites to play with the simulation of the streamers playing which of course will continue to be won to boost the assumption that the site is indeed good.
Although I agree that large bets will bring greater profits but on the other hand for them streamers things like nothing because in the end they play definitely set to win regardless of the amount of bets they do.
Everything is kind of marketing and we need to be aware about the activities of the streamers. We should gamble for fun, which in reality is really hard. If we're rich enough or we have good money to spend this is possible. Next thing we should have the limits, and we should know what happens to a fellow gambler could happen to him. There are good number of people who had got into gambling just because his/her friends turned rich gambling. Good understanding about gambling is a must, if not this is going to be real hard to come out of it.
That is something that must be understood because there may be one of the many streamers who gamble properly and do live streaming without promotion but that is only a handful of the many streamers who work for gambling just for the sake of boosting so that the site he promotes gets great interest for beginners. As for those who only follow and are in gambling because some of the closest people or see others profit greatly from gambling, this is actually the wrong action.

We must realize that gambling isn't a business for players indeed this is a business but for those who are behind the scenes and not player. So, Being in gambling just because they see other people making big profits this will only make you disappointed.
First we must realize that gambling is not for business because this is only purely from the luck we get so we cannot be sure that gambling can be profitable for ourselves.
Secondly, we must realize that this will ultimately only spend the money we have sooner or later so the goal in gambling is not to seek profit but to seek pleasure.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: arimamib on November 26, 2023, 02:37:27 PM
First, as long as the casino itself tells you to gamble responsibly, and you also are legally allowed to do without anyone forcing you to do. So, you shouldn’t get influenced by those streamers no matter what. They are only doing their job and creating content about gambling or trying a casino they didn’t invite you or force you to gamble.
And since these streamers also paid for a number of views, they will just continue to create gambling-related content specifically targeting those gambling community audiences regardless if they are affiliated or not by these gambling sites. In most cases, some gambling streamers are not really partnered with a gambling site. They just want to lure viewers to their channels and show their experience regarding that gambling site.
Gambling content can generate significant viewership and engagement, especially among individuals who are already interested in gambling. The intension behind this strategy is usually to increase channel viewership and potentially monetize the channel through various means, such as advertising, and merchandise sales. By streaming the gambling audience, streamers can tap into a potentially lucrative market and attract viewers who are more likely to interact with their content.

While some streamers may enjoy sharing their gambling experiences and providing insights to their viewers, others may prioritize viewership growth and monetization over the potential risks associated with promoting gambling activities. Viewers need to be discerning about the content they consume and to be aware of the potential biases and conflicts of interest that may exist when streamers promote gambling-related content.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: carlfebz2 on November 26, 2023, 02:39:01 PM

streamers may get free money to wager without thinking too much, means more wagering = more chances to hit slots or win big payout.
The chances of a win is higher when the bets are higher. We all know this about casino games especially slots. And just like you I have once won, 110x my wager but never higher. I Keep wondering what's the maximum one can reach. Streamers do this all day long, their wins may be blown out of proportion despite the unknown underlying clauses they may have.
Another problem to remember is that not all streamers gamble with their money because after all, we must be aware that there are many streamers who are assigned to gamble with certain sites to make it look like the site is good when it is just a marketing trick to bring some new users to the site in question.
They only work not gambling because in the end they only offer sites to play with the simulation of the streamers playing which of course will continue to be won to boost the assumption that the site is indeed good.
Although I agree that large bets will bring greater profits but on the other hand for them streamers things like nothing because in the end they play definitely set to win regardless of the amount of bets they do.
Everything is kind of marketing and we need to be aware about the activities of the streamers. We should gamble for fun, which in reality is really hard. If we're rich enough or we have good money to spend this is possible. Next thing we should have the limits, and we should know what happens to a fellow gambler could happen to him. There are good number of people who had got into gambling just because his/her friends turned rich gambling. Good understanding about gambling is a must, if not this is going to be real hard to come out of it.
Never ever make yourself trying to be like those streamers to have that huge bankroll because if you do try to follow out on how they do make bets then you would surely be busting up a huge amount of your money
and just like the rest been saying that those amounts or fund into their accounts wasnt theirs but obviously it is really that owned by the casino itself. We cant see on how confident or easy to those streamers on putting up huge amount per roll as if they arent that affected if they do lose? It is understandable  that they are funded because they cant just make use of the amount something like that if theyre really
making use of their own money which it doesnt make sense because they do make marketing for them to get salary or being paid and not to gamble.

So it is really that contrary on what they are really gonna trying to do because if they are really that spending their own money then it doesnt make sense.
They would be losing more compared on what they are trying to earn on which its obviously that everything is really just that for marketing purposes.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Crypt0Gore on November 26, 2023, 02:58:37 PM
I watched a streamer on youtube some weeks ago and guess what? His viewers are the ones making contribution to his account and he is using their money to gamble, most times he win the money and I think maybe he will send them back if luck is on their side, I saw this happened live.

I think someone in this situation can easily make some callings because the bankroll is huge and secondly because the money isn't even theirs to begin with, like seriously, if this doesn't ring in your ear you have a problem, what I learned from this is that, the money you use in gambling matters a lot.

Where is the money from? This is what will determine the experience you will have in gambling, if you lose it all, Which is very likely, how will you feel about it? I think the most excitement part of gambling is using money you really can afford to lose, it's going to be a relaxing experience for you.

Streamers are real but not all of them, also they always have good numbers of viewers, even if they lose in gambling on live stream they are streamers for a living, they will still make money, the more money you make the better you will become with taking risks in gambling, the fact is , never stop making money.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Beparanf on November 26, 2023, 03:05:54 PM
I watched a streamer on youtube some weeks ago and guess what? His viewers are the ones making contribution to his account and he is using their money to gamble, most times he win the money and I think maybe he will send them back if luck is on their side, I saw this happened live.

I think someone in this situation can easily make some callings because the bankroll is huge and secondly because the money isn't even theirs to begin with, like seriously, if this doesn't ring in your ear you have a problem, what I learned from this is that, the money you use in gambling matters a lot.


This is the reason why twitch ban gambling because streamers is now blatantly asking viewers fund to gamble. I one time watch this kind of stream before from AdinRoss but I believe he is just using viewers money that he really knows.

I watch the guy begging for his money to be back since they are already in profit yet the streamers keeps gambling he loss all the money of the viewer. He just return the funds using his own money since for publicity but this kind of way to gamble is really sucks because they are teaching their viewers to gamble even by just watching their stream.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Accardo on November 26, 2023, 03:43:54 PM
I watched a streamer on youtube some weeks ago and guess what? His viewers are the ones making contribution to his account and he is using their money to gamble, most times he win the money and I think maybe he will send them back if luck is on their side, I saw this happened live.

I think someone in this situation can easily make some callings because the bankroll is huge and secondly because the money isn't even theirs to begin with, like seriously, if this doesn't ring in your ear you have a problem, what I learned from this is that, the money you use in gambling matters a lot.


This is the reason why twitch ban gambling because streamers is now blatantly asking viewers fund to gamble. I one time watch this kind of stream before from AdinRoss but I believe he is just using viewers money that he really knows.

I watch the guy begging for his money to be back since they are already in profit yet the streamers keeps gambling he loss all the money of the viewer. He just return the funds using his own money since for publicity but this kind of way to gamble is really sucks because they are teaching their viewers to gamble even by just watching their stream.

I noticed twitch ban these gambling streamers, I think I've watched few streamer offer $10 for viewing their stream session. Didn't participate though, but somehow the casino happened to be a new business looking at fetching new customers through a streamer. The process of streaming casinos, are being abused by the streamers by the illustration described on your response. Soon, gamblers will be iconoclastic of these streamers claiming to be casino imperials and yet lose out on people's well and truly earnt money. With the huge traffic and followers they're fetching for the casino, if the streamers maintained fair business acumen of working directly with the casino, and didn't bother about viewers funds, things would be moving fine in the industry. The future repercussions of such a humorless attitude of the gambling streamers can affect the streaming business. Players who enjoyed their games, are beginning to jeer at the streamers over their funds. With many more withdrawing or quitting from such activities. I don't seem to grasp why people engage in their crowdfunded inclined streams. It's time they have learnt from the mistakes of others, but don't blame the system, as millions of naive gamblers, everyday, join for the first time. Hence, they won't run out of business. Yet!


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Coin_trader on November 26, 2023, 03:52:26 PM
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It is because sometimes those streamers are pretty popular like in their own country, so people wouldn't expect that streamer to scam and manipulate people by showing clips or videos online of them winning huge amounts on a gambling game. For that reason, I think it's normal for people to believe them as sometimes they would provide proof of cashout which is totally fake. As a developer for sure you could make an account or the gambling itself to favor you, so if you are planning to catch people's interest and attention, you would literally ask for someone's popularity and give them a rigged account. Streamers would literally accept that offer cause they would be paid by simply promoting their gambling game, mentioning them in their every video, and of course advertisement, they can easily have an alibi by simply telling to people that they are not aware of the scam of the developers.

You’re right, Popularity is always the weakness of viewers and key to success of streamer to promote even a scam casino. The funny part is those popular streamer is now being target by scammer that try to impersonate them by copying all their content and promote different scam casino.

The popular streamer is already promoting scam casino while other scammer try to use the content for different scam casino too. Poor viewer being a victim of this kind scheme that is just trusting the streamer that doesn’t really care to them. ;D


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: junder on November 26, 2023, 04:24:14 PM

Everything is kind of marketing and we need to be aware about the activities of the streamers. We should gamble for fun, which in reality is really hard. If we're rich enough or we have good money to spend this is possible. Next thing we should have the limits, and we should know what happens to a fellow gambler could happen to him. There are good number of people who had got into gambling just because his/her friends turned rich gambling. Good understanding about gambling is a must, if not this is going to be real hard to come out of it.

Yes no other than all the activities carried out by the stremers I think 80% are just nonsense, why? because their luck looks like excessive, I can't figure out how they can get a very large number of wins every time they gamble on the streming they air, it seems impossible but it does happen. In fact, there are not a few people who follow the way like the stremers but the results are not suitable, maybe you have tried it and have the same fate as other tryers who are still unlucky. In my opinion don't get too carried away with what you see, the first thing that is more important and that you must understand is that gambling is always nothing more than luck, it's very simple, if you are lucky then you will win and vice versa, and also if you see the luck and victory of the stremers as unreasonable then you don't need to follow it.

I understand that everyone has their own luck with a certain win rate but you should be suspicious and wary of the excessive luck that casinos get, even if I turn into a stremer I'm not sure I will be as lucky as them. And also yes it's better to gamble properly, gambling with the intention of having fun is better and also always apply a lot of restrictions for your safety.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Hirose UK on November 26, 2023, 04:39:09 PM
Streamers are real but not all of them, also they always have good numbers of viewers, even if they lose in gambling on live stream they are streamers for a living, they will still make money, the more money you make the better you will become with taking risks in gambling, the fact is , never stop making money.
It is true that they always try to make more money and make various efforts in pursuing what can provide greater profits and consistently.
If they only rely on gambling, I sure they won't be able to cover their losses and they won't be able to make profits that are really worth fighting for with all the risks involved.
Gambling streamers have greater income from each broadcast that takes place and all of this is also influenced by the number of viewers and streamer dares to take risks by gambling longer and with larger bet amount to attract number of people who are willing to watch it.
Moreover, for what they lose there is always decent return such as from referral bonuses and also payments from each impression.

But we shouldn't be fooled by what streamer gets, such as trying to do the same thing by betting and playing like streamer who seems to have no money limit in every gambling session they do.
We have to think that they dare to do all of that because of the opportunity for various benefits that can be obtained.
Another thing is that we don't really know how they have agreements with the gambling sites they use because every streamer always has profitable agreement from each site they use.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Juse14 on November 26, 2023, 04:48:01 PM

Everything is kind of marketing and we need to be aware about the activities of the streamers. We should gamble for fun, which in reality is really hard. If we're rich enough or we have good money to spend this is possible. Next thing we should have the limits, and we should know what happens to a fellow gambler could happen to him. There are good number of people who had got into gambling just because his/her friends turned rich gambling. Good understanding about gambling is a must, if not this is going to be real hard to come out of it.

Yes no other than all the activities carried out by the stremers I think 80% are just nonsense, why? because their luck looks like excessive, I can't figure out how they can get a very large number of wins every time they gamble on the streming they air, it seems impossible but it does happen. In fact, there are not a few people who follow the way like the stremers but the results are not suitable, maybe you have tried it and have the same fate as other tryers who are still unlucky. In my opinion don't get too carried away with what you see, the first thing that is more important and that you must understand is that gambling is always nothing more than luck, it's very simple, if you are lucky then you will win and vice versa, and also if you see the luck and victory of the stremers as unreasonable then you don't need to follow it.

I understand that everyone has their own luck with a certain win rate but you should be suspicious and wary of the excessive luck that casinos get, even if I turn into a stremer I'm not sure I will be as lucky as them. And also yes it's better to gamble properly, gambling with the intention of having fun is better and also always apply a lot of restrictions for your safety.

Slot is one type of gambling that uses a machine. And the name of the machine can be arranged in such a way as to be able to give victory to slot gambling streamers, so this is not a surprising thing, why slot gambling streamers can win up to many times and make no sense, which is very different from when we do this gambling.
And the purpose of the streamer is none other than so that they can attract as many customers as possible to visit the gambling platform that sponsors it. And what slot gambling stremers are after are novice players or people who are new to gambling. While people who have been playing gambling for a long time, are not their target, because players who have been gambling for a long time, must already know about how the slot gambling algorithm and system works. And if someone already knows but still plays slot gambling, if they are not stupid enough, it means they are experiencing slot gambling addiction.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: goxcraft on November 26, 2023, 05:57:16 PM
Well any casino platform engaging in this is definitely not being genuine, yes I understand many Casino platforms are looking for ways to attract potentials customers to their platform but using this dubious means (faking winnings) would crash in the long run.
Also I think intending customers should look more on the features the gambling site has and how genuine they are rather than looking an the high amounts of previous winnings that has been encountered in the platform.
One thing I learned from online is never trust anyone that says anything. I only believe what I see. I don't trust these so called streamers. Anything they do mostly for money. Nothing is free these days, especially anything online. So how can we expect that a streamer will promote a business free of cost? I thing we have our answers there. They are doing this for money. As for the winnings they can be fake or rigged as the platform already knows of the streamer.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: tjtonmoy on November 26, 2023, 06:25:22 PM
I agree with you on that,  because gambling does not follow a particular pattern and at that one can be taken off guard if he puts so much hope in the luck of another person no matter what the level of success that the streamers have recorded,  as a gambler,  you must be aware of the fact that,  to be copying another gamblers game os the riskiest thing to do at all time and that should be totally avoided,

So for sure,  there os a possibility of making a good use of copy games but then we must have a settled fact that in doing that,  you must know that nothing goes for nothing and gambling is meant to be taken for just fun and at that there is no sure games and at some point,  you have to depend largely on your luck and whatever you can make up of the time to aid the winning.
This is the one thing many people in gambling nowadays ignore or don't try to understand. Gambling is for fun and entertainment. Why make it complicated just so you can win some bets? Their luck is for them only. What are the odds of you having the same luck as those streamers? 1 in infinity. If you are lucky enough, you may get the same result. But isn't that your own luck at that point?

Anyway, to me, it is all about entertainment. I may watch those streamers for fun to learn a new game or how to gamble on it. Other than that, never copy them. It takes away all the fun that comes with gambling on my own.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Hispo on November 26, 2023, 06:37:39 PM
I watched a streamer on youtube some weeks ago and guess what? His viewers are the ones making contribution to his account and he is using their money to gamble, most times he win the money and I think maybe he will send them back if luck is on their side, I saw this happened live.

I think someone in this situation can easily make some callings because the bankroll is huge and secondly because the money isn't even theirs to begin with, like seriously, if this doesn't ring in your ear you have a problem, what I learned from this is that, the money you use in gambling matters a lot.

Where is the money from? This is what will determine the experience you will have in gambling, if you lose it all, Which is very likely, how will you feel about it? I think the most excitement part of gambling is using money you really can afford to lose, it's going to be a relaxing experience for you.

Streamers are real but not all of them, also they always have good numbers of viewers, even if they lose in gambling on live stream they are streamers for a living, they will still make money, the more money you make the better you will become with taking risks in gambling, the fact is , never stop making money.


That is quite a bizarre situation, to be honest.
I had not seen a streamer which actually received money from their public during a live-stream for the sole purpose of fuel their gambling session... I have read about Streamers who have fallen into a situation where they cannot longer control themselves and start to ask for money privately to their fans and associates, but that is different.
I would personally not donate to a streamer to gambler, because as you said, they are already in the green numbers since their streaming activities are supposed to be profitable, so there is little sense to fuel even more their bankroll for the sake of entertainment. You mention that in the cases he got some luck streak he actually give some of the money back to donators, but that was rather a courtesy from him because in the most of the cases once money is donated is not supposed to come back from the beneficiary. 


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Wiwo on November 26, 2023, 06:50:06 PM

This is the one thing many people in gambling nowadays ignore or don't try to understand. Gambling is for fun and entertainment. Why make it complicated just so you can win some bets? Their luck is for them only. What are the odds of you having the same luck as those streamers? 1 in infinity. If you are lucky enough, you may get the same result. But isn't that your own luck at that point?

Anyway, to me, it is all about entertainment. I may watch those streamers for fun to learn a new game or how to gamble on it. Other than that, never copy them. It takes away all the fun that comes with gambling on my own.
A lot has taken gambling as a means to make income and at that,  they have made a lot of attempts,  to make a repeated,  winning is something that may not be achievable for most members and that we have to realize that,  there is no way to make such a result on a consistent mode and that have to do a lot with how we handle such.

 Any gambler who lacks that quality and understanding is on the way to making some huge unrecoverable mistakes that will lead them to an unfavourable outcome of thing on the long run.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: alegotardo on November 26, 2023, 06:51:53 PM
What am I talking about? Well, at least once you must have stumbled upon a stream where someone plays slots. These streams are normally sponsored by the casino that hosts the games. They pay the streamer a salary and even fund his account. So the casino knows who the streamer is, what his account is and when he'll be playing.

I agree with you!

In fact, to attract the public's attention, it's not enough to have a lot of money in your account and be a famous streamer... you need to earn more money than you lose and this, unfortunately, is not something that is mathematically possible to do at any and all times. when we are talking about games like slot machines in which luck and probabilities control much more of the income than the gambler's own skill.

I don't even watch these broadcasts because I know that the vast majority of them are manipulated, either by the bettor who is broadcasting or by those who are sponsoring the broadcast.
Obviously not all streamers act in bad faith, I know that there are honest betting broadcasts, but it is becoming increasingly difficult to find them.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Accardo on November 26, 2023, 06:56:59 PM
Well any casino platform engaging in this is definitely not being genuine, yes I understand many Casino platforms are looking for ways to attract potentials customers to their platform but using this dubious means (faking winnings) would crash in the long run.
Also I think intending customers should look more on the features the gambling site has and how genuine they are rather than looking an the high amounts of previous winnings that has been encountered in the platform.
One thing I learned from online is never trust anyone that says anything. I only believe what I see. I don't trust these so called streamers. Anything they do mostly for money. Nothing is free these days, especially anything online. So how can we expect that a streamer will promote a business free of cost? I thing we have our answers there. They are doing this for money. As for the winnings they can be fake or rigged as the platform already knows of the streamer.

It's all for promotional purposes, and believing them is unwise. The only way we should follow these streamers is by watching them play. Fine, if we can learn through their strategies. They play those games for the marketing of the casino. Viewers join the casino believing that they'll win like the streamer, along the line they'll get disappointed and lose out all they've wagered. That's where the confusion begin to emerge. And players begin to wonder if the casino manipulate those wins they see on streaming channels. It's certain and proven by streamers that those casinos pay them whooping amount in USD to stream games, due to multitude of views they get. Those viewers become too inquisitive that, they forget to do the necessary required research, before playing games on the casino. The whole process of viewing streamers gamble, isn't favorable anymore. Newbies are being milked, and the market is still growing. Therefore, more people would still fall for this kind of marketing. It's not bad on the side of the casino, to pay for marketing. But, viewers should be wise enough to choose the right casino, instead of jumping on any casino, fresh, to be precise, because it's been promoted by a streamer. Questions about manipulated results, is as a result of players having in mind that gambling would yield them easy wealth, like the streamers. So, when they try it out to no avail, they get disapointed and begin jeering about the rigged system, being in favor of streamers. 


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: darkangel11 on November 26, 2023, 08:59:01 PM
We've probably all seen streamers win big, while obviously playing to promote a casino. I'm glad you're trying to make people aware of this situation, but it's only for newbies. Most hardened players know what's going on and it's not only at slots. They often play other games and get these high wins. Often it's not because they're set up somehow by the casino, (cheating) but because they know they'll get their money back if they lose, so they make big bets with no regrets and bet high, often scoring high wins.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Oilacris on November 26, 2023, 11:54:43 PM
Well any casino platform engaging in this is definitely not being genuine, yes I understand many Casino platforms are looking for ways to attract potentials customers to their platform but using this dubious means (faking winnings) would crash in the long run.
Also I think intending customers should look more on the features the gambling site has and how genuine they are rather than looking an the high amounts of previous winnings that has been encountered in the platform.
One thing I learned from online is never trust anyone that says anything. I only believe what I see. I don't trust these so called streamers. Anything they do mostly for money. Nothing is free these days, especially anything online. So how can we expect that a streamer will promote a business free of cost? I thing we have our answers there. They are doing this for money. As for the winnings they can be fake or rigged as the platform already knows of the streamer.

It's all for promotional purposes, and believing them is unwise. The only way we should follow these streamers is by watching them play. Fine, if we can learn through their strategies. They play those games for the marketing of the casino. Viewers join the casino believing that they'll win like the streamer, along the line they'll get disappointed and lose out all they've wagered. That's where the confusion begin to emerge. And players begin to wonder if the casino manipulate those wins they see on streaming channels. It's certain and proven by streamers that those casinos pay them whooping amount in USD to stream games, due to multitude of views they get. Those viewers become too inquisitive that, they forget to do the necessary required research, before playing games on the casino. The whole process of viewing streamers gamble, isn't favorable anymore. Newbies are being milked, and the market is still growing. Therefore, more people would still fall for this kind of marketing. It's not bad on the side of the casino, to pay for marketing. But, viewers should be wise enough to choose the right casino, instead of jumping on any casino, fresh, to be precise, because it's been promoted by a streamer. Questions about manipulated results, is as a result of players having in mind that gambling would yield them easy wealth, like the streamers. So, when they try it out to no avail, they get disapointed and begin jeering about the rigged system, being in favor of streamers. 
On the time that you would really be watching these streamers then you should really make yourself that pretty aware on how things works and you should be that realistic.
Never ever make yourself having those kind of reflection in terms of on how they do win because on the time that you would be doing that then it would really be creating
that kind of desperation on trying out to achieve on what they are achieving. THis is something that you would really be needing to be careful because or else then you
would betting just like a mad man. You will really be pushing up yourself on doing things which arent supposed to be done.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: dansus021 on November 27, 2023, 03:02:57 AM
BAck couple of years ago there was also a streamer it more like he youtuber that got paid not from a casino but from the option trading. I mean option trading is considered gambling in my opinion. so it turned out he get the account also from the provider so he can win such a big money since this a youtuber and not livestream but the account can be manipulated by the provider.

Streamer wins seem too good? Yes because they basically play without worries losing money and ending up getting paid to do so


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: angrybirdy on November 27, 2023, 03:30:33 AM
BAck couple of years ago there was also a streamer it more like he youtuber that got paid not from a casino but from the option trading. I mean option trading is considered gambling in my opinion. so it turned out he get the account also from the provider so he can win such a big money since this a youtuber and not livestream but the account can be manipulated by the provider.

Streamer wins seem too good? Yes because they basically play without worries losing money and ending up getting paid to do so

It's sad to think that they will do anything just to have money and income even if it means manipulating and cheating other people who believes in their claims. Well, I understand that this is a part of surviving in life, At least we are aware now that not everything we saw and watched in social media and any sites is not true. As you've said, streamers and youtubers has been using an account provided by the gambling agency not their personal registered account, which is kinda shady because right there you will know something is different and suspicious, this is just speculation and has yet to be proven that the account they have been used is manipulated by the provider.



Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Oasisman on November 27, 2023, 03:47:45 AM
Streamer wins seem too good? Yes because they basically play without worries losing money and ending up getting paid to do so

Except from that obvious fact, their account were also programmed/designed to win more than it losses all the time. It's one way of enticing the followers to deposit and gamble with that specific gambling platform.
Though there are also YouTubers who were doing gambling reviews and trying them out, but you can actually differentiate what's paid and what's not. Most especially when a YouTuber were constantly uttering the name of the gambling platform and inviting people to gamble there using their invite codes. Therefore, they will not only earn from the casino's payment from endorsing and the advertising content, but also with the referral codes that has been used by his followers.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: noormcs5 on November 27, 2023, 03:55:54 AM
BAck couple of years ago there was also a streamer it more like he youtuber that got paid not from a casino but from the option trading. I mean option trading is considered gambling in my opinion. so it turned out he get the account also from the provider so he can win such a big money since this a youtuber and not livestream but the account can be manipulated by the provider.

Streamer wins seem too good? Yes because they basically play without worries losing money and ending up getting paid to do so

It's sad to think that they will do anything just to have money and income even if it means manipulating and cheating other people who believes in their claims. Well, I understand that this is a part of surviving in life, At least we are aware now that not everything we saw and watched in social media and any sites is not true. As you've said, streamers and youtubers has been using an account provided by the gambling agency not their personal registered account, which is kinda shady because right there you will know something is different and suspicious, this is just speculation and has yet to be proven that the account they have been used is manipulated by the provider.


Well this is all about marketing and why not the streamers may do all they can to make themselves money ? I know it is ethically wrong if a streamer is promoting a scam platform or even if he is showing big wins to his viewers while actually you will not get those big hits while you actually gamble on those sites.

Being a gambler, it is our duty to know about the working of these streamers and even if they are showing unrealistic winnings and high volume of bets, we should not be influenced by them and must not repeat the same things. We should know that the streamers are making money by all these things and if we try the same, we can lose our money to the gambling sites.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: goxcraft on November 27, 2023, 01:39:07 PM
BAck couple of years ago there was also a streamer it more like he youtuber that got paid not from a casino but from the option trading. I mean option trading is considered gambling in my opinion. so it turned out he get the account also from the provider so he can win such a big money since this a youtuber and not livestream but the account can be manipulated by the provider.

Streamer wins seem too good? Yes because they basically play without worries losing money and ending up getting paid to do so
That's one of the saddest thing about online environment. Almost everything is either fake or manipulated. It's a way of social engineering. They are feeding these kinds of things into our brain to believe these shits. Many of them in fact fall victims to these. If you love a player or a Celebrity or a youtuber or any internet people you automatically believe everything he says, despite it's legitimacy. If my favorite youtuber said, "Avoid this X Person, he is a scammer", I would have believed him without any question. The thing is we are so fond of these people we turn a blind eye to the other person's story, only believing our beloved persons story. Sad but true.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Quidat on November 27, 2023, 01:59:13 PM
BAck couple of years ago there was also a streamer it more like he youtuber that got paid not from a casino but from the option trading. I mean option trading is considered gambling in my opinion. so it turned out he get the account also from the provider so he can win such a big money since this a youtuber and not livestream but the account can be manipulated by the provider.

Streamer wins seem too good? Yes because they basically play without worries losing money and ending up getting paid to do so
That's one of the saddest thing about online environment. Almost everything is either fake or manipulated. It's a way of social engineering. They are feeding these kinds of things into our brain to believe these shits. Many of them in fact fall victims to these. If you love a player or a Celebrity or a youtuber or any internet people you automatically believe everything he says, despite it's legitimacy. If my favorite youtuber said, "Avoid this X Person, he is a scammer", I would have believed him without any question. The thing is we are so fond of these people we turn a blind eye to the other person's story, only believing our beloved persons story. Sad but true.
Even people do see those legit things but doubts or simply people do have that trust issues on which you can't really blame them of, shady doings and unfair things turns out to be that severe here on online world. So expect that majority will be having that kind of approach or views. Anything which is really that looks too good to be true are things which should really be putting us on doubt.
Streamers are been just hired for them to make some exposure and spending up tons of money on the time that they do gamble sounds really that not believable. Of course they are funded
and winning rate or chance is just that pure luck or coincidence but hey, we dont know if they are really that doing something in behind.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: AbuBhakar on November 27, 2023, 02:04:57 PM
BAck couple of years ago there was also a streamer it more like he youtuber that got paid not from a casino but from the option trading. I mean option trading is considered gambling in my opinion. so it turned out he get the account also from the provider so he can win such a big money since this a youtuber and not livestream but the account can be manipulated by the provider.

Streamer wins seem too good? Yes because they basically play without worries losing money and ending up getting paid to do so
That's one of the saddest thing about online environment. Almost everything is either fake or manipulated. It's a way of social engineering. They are feeding these kinds of things into our brain to believe these shits. Many of them in fact fall victims to these. If you love a player or a Celebrity or a youtuber or any internet people you automatically believe everything he says, despite it's legitimacy. If my favorite youtuber said, "Avoid this X Person, he is a scammer", I would have believed him without any question. The thing is we are so fond of these people we turn a blind eye to the other person's story, only believing our beloved persons story. Sad but true.

I really doubt this is possible according to his example that happened via option trading. Price of a certain asset is available in public which means there’s no way to manipulate the result unlike in gambling which everything is random true the use of RNG software.

Having a demo account with fake balance is the only way to deceived their viewer via option trading but manipulation the result is really not an option.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: junder on November 27, 2023, 02:16:10 PM

Yes no other than all the activities carried out by the stremers I think 80% are just nonsense, why? because their luck looks like excessive, I can't figure out how they can get a very large number of wins every time they gamble on the streming they air, it seems impossible but it does happen. In fact, there are not a few people who follow the way like the stremers but the results are not suitable, maybe you have tried it and have the same fate as other tryers who are still unlucky. In my opinion don't get too carried away with what you see, the first thing that is more important and that you must understand is that gambling is always nothing more than luck, it's very simple, if you are lucky then you will win and vice versa, and also if you see the luck and victory of the stremers as unreasonable then you don't need to follow it.

I understand that everyone has their own luck with a certain win rate but you should be suspicious and wary of the excessive luck that casinos get, even if I turn into a stremer I'm not sure I will be as lucky as them. And also yes it's better to gamble properly, gambling with the intention of having fun is better and also always apply a lot of restrictions for your safety.

Slot is one type of gambling that uses a machine. And the name of the machine can be arranged in such a way as to be able to give victory to slot gambling streamers, so this is not a surprising thing, why slot gambling streamers can win up to many times and make no sense, which is very different from when we do this gambling.
And the purpose of the streamer is none other than so that they can attract as many customers as possible to visit the gambling platform that sponsors it. And what slot gambling stremers are after are novice players or people who are new to gambling. While people who have been playing gambling for a long time, are not their target, because players who have been gambling for a long time, must already know about how the slot gambling algorithm and system works. And if someone already knows but still plays slot gambling, if they are not stupid enough, it means they are experiencing slot gambling addiction.

With your statement, I'm honestly getting suspicious of what's behind the stremers, and it seems like I've found a few indications after reading your statement here. It is true that slot gambling seems to be manageable, because if it is not manageable then it is quite impossible to get lucky in a row with a very large amount in each session they do. I'm going to say that because the winnings they get are very odd, and it's possible that they are one of the stremers chosen by the casino to do promotions and that means that the gambling they do is set by the casino with a greater percentage rate of winnings compared to some gamblers who purely rely on pure luck.

As you said the impressions of the stremers are only to attract more audiences to play on the sites they promote, it makes more sense. Now it is quite clear and we can conclude to be the reason why the stremer can always get an unexpected victory very easily. Therefore, especially for beginners, you should not be easily tempted by what the stremers do on their streming, it's just nonsense and lies, if you don't believe it, just try it, it really doesn't work at all.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: topbitcoin on November 27, 2023, 02:32:55 PM
We've probably all seen streamers win big, while obviously playing to promote a casino. I'm glad you're trying to make people aware of this situation, but it's only for newbies. Most hardened players know what's going on and it's not only at slots. They often play other games and get these high wins. Often it's not because they're set up somehow by the casino, (cheating) but because they know they'll get their money back if they lose, so they make big bets with no regrets and bet high, often scoring high wins.
But there are still many who believe that such things are real because in the end this is pushed like reality even though it is for those of us who have been in gambling for a long time, this is just a spectacle with a lot of drama in it.
I personally until now still watch some streams in gambling but not as a reference that it can be done because in the end we also know that it is just a promotional event in order to attract new people but I watch this just as a spectacle and entertainment because in real gambling I rarely bet with large amounts and winnings that always occur in every spin purchase.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: uchegod-21 on November 27, 2023, 03:36:42 PM
Streaming is one of the ways casinos promote their businesses just like any other business and yea! Most of these streamers are actually being paid by these casinos. They play very 'magical' games and go home with very huge wins , thereby convincing the gullible public into playing these games with the hope to win too of which luck doesn't always shine on the public just like it shines on the streamers' sides.

This can be a very exciting thing to watch and if not controlled,  one will greedily spend all he has hoping to win but end up going home empty. One needs to be careful with this beautifully decorated promotions, be careful enough to ensuring that your emotions do not leading into gambling away your hard earned money. At all times,  gamble responsibly.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: wiss19 on November 28, 2023, 08:55:59 AM
We've probably all seen streamers win big, while obviously playing to promote a casino. I'm glad you're trying to make people aware of this situation, but it's only for newbies. Most hardened players know what's going on and it's not only at slots. They often play other games and get these high wins. Often it's not because they're set up somehow by the casino, (cheating) but because they know they'll get their money back if they lose, so they make big bets with no regrets and bet high, often scoring high wins.
Well, mostly or maybe all the time, the streamers that are streaming to promote a certain casino platform have their balance topped up by the casino or they are using fake money or even if it's not fake, it's not theirs and they are just using it for the streams. They just have the balance to play the games and entertain the audience and also show the audience that they can win big by playing certain games at this particular platform so that those who are watching get interested and join the platform and start gambling.

So, they play without fear or regrets because they have nothing to lose, and nor does the casino platform because the money that is lost goes to them and the money that is won by the streamer isn't going to the streamer since they have a fixed contract and the streamer gets paid according to that contract.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: angrybirdy on November 28, 2023, 09:11:39 AM
BAck couple of years ago there was also a streamer it more like he youtuber that got paid not from a casino but from the option trading. I mean option trading is considered gambling in my opinion. so it turned out he get the account also from the provider so he can win such a big money since this a youtuber and not livestream but the account can be manipulated by the provider.

Streamer wins seem too good? Yes because they basically play without worries losing money and ending up getting paid to do so

It's sad to think that they will do anything just to have money and income even if it means manipulating and cheating other people who believes in their claims. Well, I understand that this is a part of surviving in life, At least we are aware now that not everything we saw and watched in social media and any sites is not true. As you've said, streamers and youtubers has been using an account provided by the gambling agency not their personal registered account, which is kinda shady because right there you will know something is different and suspicious, this is just speculation and has yet to be proven that the account they have been used is manipulated by the provider.


Well this is all about marketing and why not the streamers may do all they can to make themselves money ? I know it is ethically wrong if a streamer is promoting a scam platform or even if he is showing big wins to his viewers while actually you will not get those big hits while you actually gamble on those sites.

Being a gambler, it is our duty to know about the working of these streamers and even if they are showing unrealistic winnings and high volume of bets, we should not be influenced by them and must not repeat the same things. We should know that the streamers are making money by all these things and if we try the same, we can lose our money to the gambling sites.
Well you have a point, As if they have a choice since it's their way to make a money. This topic shows us what's the real deal behind streamers promotion and it helps a lot for those newbie in gambling industry.
I agree with you that being keen and observant is our responsibilities as a gambler and we need to accept that they are doing that because it is part of their job.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: cafter on November 29, 2023, 11:35:28 AM
Streaming is one of the ways casinos promote their businesses just like any other business and yea! Most of these streamers are actually being paid by these casinos. They play very 'magical' games and go home with very huge wins , thereby convincing the gullible public into playing these games with the hope to win too of which luck doesn't always shine on the public just like it shines on the streamers' sides.

I many times think that why streamers win more often then us if the game is random and provably fair.
there is something we/I don't know about these games are manipulable? I have seen many times when i play dice after winning something the die always go to opposite side causing me to lose.
because of these I will not gamble anymore and if wanted too then will play with so little amount.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: blckhawk on November 29, 2023, 11:57:45 AM
Streaming is one of the ways casinos promote their businesses just like any other business and yea! Most of these streamers are actually being paid by these casinos. They play very 'magical' games and go home with very huge wins , thereby convincing the gullible public into playing these games with the hope to win too of which luck doesn't always shine on the public just like it shines on the streamers' sides.
That is why I find these streamers especially the big ones to be deplorable and at worse downright money hungry because they promote gambling in their big platform where there are a lot of people that might be influenced and there is probably children watching their streams. Although some of the streamers I have seen already learned to do disclaimers about what they are doing but even still, I still find it weird that they do it, probably because the money offered is just too damn expensive for them to pass up. Regarding their wins, they are probably playing at a different version of the casino where only the streamers are allowed so they can do unbelievable wins that a normal player might not be able to do.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on November 29, 2023, 02:55:30 PM

I've also asked myself all that, and I think that's something that Only they know, I personally think so, because a stramer earns a lot of money, and the casinos pay very well, and if they reach very remote communities and Communities, well , That is beneficial for a casino, I could think that if I see a streamer playing, as I have seen, it is difficult for them to win, there are some who lose, and the system behaves normally as if we were playing , it seems to me that it is something fair in their system, maybe the treamers in that oemtno because they enjoy having good luck and win, it could be what the situation is, it could be that things are done for the better, but personally I would think that things are very given to accept anything, I am one of those who think that a streamer will always be people who have money , because they will influence you, and even though now Twitch has so many restrictions, which seems inappropriate to me, because the caisno is not the fault of those who do and don't do ls live, because it is the Error of the platforms that saw their rules, not of the casinos.

I would think that an industry as large as casinos, games of chance, sports betting can be very relevant in everything, I would say that an influencer is somewhat Responsible if before playing he says the main things about a casino, that they say that the casino is just for having fun, you only have to put in the money you are willing to lose , you Should not Spend more than what you are committed to, and a casino will always have the house advantage for the best profit , It is advisable to go and withdraw to enjoy the profits, it is the best thing that can be done, of course I am one of those who think this way because I have seen many cases where the Person wins a lot in a casino and bets it, it is a mistake because What most of them do is lose a lot , and sometimes they lose all the money and have to take Out their own money to continue Playing.

The gambling world is totally different one,it had stremer and they earn some money from the gambling site.The gambling site surely earn by conducting the game between the two players.The players should build the tactics to win the game,many people tell us the gambling was purely based on the luck.But the gambling based on the luck only if the game like lottery or lucky draw.But the game based on the prediction can be crack by using the tactics.So now you understand the money flow to the gambler and the other gambler based on the gambler who crack the tactics of the certain game.So the loser of the gambling site will be the person who do random betting in the gambling site.One research center wording was 80 percentage of the gambler was doing the random bets in gambling site.

It is true, as for this issue, this was a lot of reminding of the nft jugos, I do not know, I remember that I always wanted Things like that, that all the time they were pending to look for people to péco Beuneo with respect to it, however, I would finally be the timely. Things, because Lelgo is always OPROTUNDIAD, that is only as I do, in fact it happens to me with the same family, it is something incredible, but even thus the things that are for one are for one, as they say in my tie: "To the one who will give , they keep "the same spoken to this.

I always fell on many streamers, which I wanted to learn how Axie was Played , Always with some tutorials, alunas videos or something, What I have Always thought about and that this can be given based on the fact that we can do new things, I have always said The game Experience is taken is playing, you can know a lot of theory, but nothing like practice is somewhat infalible, in fact my Twitch Account was every time that I saw many streamers , some streamers gave the timely Equipment, but it was very difficult to enter, if he told me that there were other stremaers that otened that seeing socon eto, but those who were roups, what they played in slots , which gave me much more Interesting, because of this I Always always he  see more to see what they Applied to them, and no, nothing to do, by Appreciating what they were hugting , it was as if you play without any advantages or something.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Blitzboy on November 29, 2023, 04:06:53 PM
Streaming is one of the ways casinos promote their businesses just like any other business and yea! Most of these streamers are actually being paid by these casinos. They play very 'magical' games and go home with very huge wins , thereby convincing the gullible public into playing these games with the hope to win too of which luck doesn't always shine on the public just like it shines on the streamers' sides.
That is why I find these streamers especially the big ones to be deplorable and at worse downright money hungry because they promote gambling in their big platform where there are a lot of people that might be influenced and there is probably children watching their streams. Although some of the streamers I have seen already learned to do disclaimers about what they are doing but even still, I still find it weird that they do it, probably because the money offered is just too damn expensive for them to pass up. Regarding their wins, they are probably playing at a different version of the casino where only the streamers are allowed so they can do unbelievable wins that a normal player might not be able to do.
How these streamers manage internet gambling is intriguing but frightening. Though legally covered by disclaimers, are they morally responsible? Hardly. Their effect is huge; their platforms blur entertainment and covert promotion. How ethical is it to show gambling, a potentially addictive pastime, to impressionable viewers, possibly minors? Additionally, "streamers-only" casinos are disturbing. If true, it exaggerates gambling's benefits. Not only is legality important, but so is integrity and the influence on spectators who may not understand these "unbelievable wins" Influence and transparent ethics are at stake, not disclaimers.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: dansus021 on November 30, 2023, 02:43:07 AM
Streamer wins seem too good? Yes because they basically play without worries losing money and ending up getting paid to do so

Except from that obvious fact, their account were also programmed/designed to win more than it losses all the time. It's one way of enticing the followers to deposit and gamble with that specific gambling platform.
Though there are also YouTubers who were doing gambling reviews and trying them out, but you can actually differentiate what's paid and what's not. Most especially when a YouTuber were constantly uttering the name of the gambling platform and inviting people to gamble there using their invite codes. Therefore, they will not only earn from the casino's payment from endorsing and the advertising content, but also with the referral codes that has been used by his followers.

Yes in my country there also a dozen of people with face mask and do live stream on youtube with playing slot wagered with a lot of money, I mean this is obivous he get paid from the gambling provider because when livestream he always get jackpot


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on December 03, 2023, 12:37:46 AM
Streamer wins seem too good? Yes because they basically play without worries losing money and ending up getting paid to do so

Except from that obvious fact, their account were also programmed/designed to win more than it losses all the time. It's one way of enticing the followers to deposit and gamble with that specific gambling platform.
Though there are also YouTubers who were doing gambling reviews and trying them out, but you can actually differentiate what's paid and what's not. Most especially when a YouTuber were constantly uttering the name of the gambling platform and inviting people to gamble there using their invite codes. Therefore, they will not only earn from the casino's payment from endorsing and the advertising content, but also with the referral codes that has been used by his followers.

Yes in my country there also a dozen of people with face mask and do live stream on youtube with playing slot wagered with a lot of money, I mean this is obivous he get paid from the gambling provider because when livestream he always get jackpot

Well, the truth is that the fact that things like this are done to attract the attention of more players is like false advertising and marketing, and that is something that makes a lot of anger and the YouTubers who do that or the influencers who do something like that, well I think who do not have even a bit of professional ethics to agree to that, at Once they can Realize that their reputation will be on the ground, because that is not done, one must be someone more transparent, if they play with casino money they should not Give them special privileges so that they win more than what they lose, they must show things like sion, win or lose, the reality of a slot has to be shown, and when demonstrations are made with a slot, things are quite strange, you can have more luck, yes, but to win in occasions you always have to play for a long time and with a lot of money, apart from taking into consideration when the game takes the initiative to increase the bets, that is what should be considered.

The things that do something like that , or I think they are trustworthy, because what's the point of deceiving people, it is known that the house advantage is something obvious, that that or has to be thrown overboard, because it is a absolute Reality , that is what we must always consider and that others see as a reality, we as players know that Casinos must take advantage of those touches of luck, and stramer, influencers must know that too and demonstrate it, they must know how to do things, because they are inciting people to lose money and very possibly fall into addiction, because if they show the wrong face, the majority of people will get excited in a casino and put money in only to lose it, and that in reality does not seem to me something fair , you cannot play with the belief and innocence of people who are going to put their money in a place blindly Trusting what an influencer shows them, that is something that should never be done.





Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: lienfaye on December 03, 2023, 01:23:29 AM
This can attract their viewers to deposit and gamble with real money of course, but they'll very rarely get the same results.
When you see a streamer winning huge, it's not impossible that it can also happen to you. However, the difference is they're using a decent bankroll and often sponsored by the casinos that they're promoting. Not their own money so placing bet is like they're just having fun since they have nothing to lose. Their goal is to promote a certain game of the casino and attract the gamblers.

What has your experience been? Has this affected you or your friends?
I just told them to not easily believe these streamers. If you want to try the game then don't have high hopes and always use a money that you can live without. It's tiring to hear but that's the fact that they must know before playing.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: danherbias07 on December 03, 2023, 01:23:39 AM
Streamer wins seem too good? Yes because they basically play without worries losing money and ending up getting paid to do so

Except from that obvious fact, their account were also programmed/designed to win more than it losses all the time. It's one way of enticing the followers to deposit and gamble with that specific gambling platform.
Though there are also YouTubers who were doing gambling reviews and trying them out, but you can actually differentiate what's paid and what's not. Most especially when a YouTuber were constantly uttering the name of the gambling platform and inviting people to gamble there using their invite codes. Therefore, they will not only earn from the casino's payment from endorsing and the advertising content, but also with the referral codes that has been used by his followers.
Or, they are not earning that high from streaming their gambling services that's why they need that referral code to be used by new players so that they can make better money. I mean, it's still a good deal if an online casino would let them mess around with the multi-win of a certain casino game as long as an allowance is given while they are advertising them.
This is why we should not expect that the same thing could happen to us, some of those streamers are hitting impossible numbers and I made a lot of bets already in my gambling history and all I can say is they are very rare to come out. It can take us 50k to 100k bets before those amounts will show up. Streamers are only there to advertise, show how the game works, and maybe try to make one game more inviting so that more players will sign up. Those multis that they hit could be a setup.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: goxcraft on December 03, 2023, 05:15:03 PM
Yes in my country there also a dozen of people with face mask and do live stream on youtube with playing slot wagered with a lot of money, I mean this is obivous he get paid from the gambling provider because when livestream he always get jackpot

Nobody does anything for free online. It is obvious they were sponsored by those companies to advertise their sites. We as a human are expert in badmouthing others for free of cost. But when it comes to talking about something good, we don't, unless we are getting paid. Same goes for those shitty streamers, youtubers, celebrities. After having years of gambling experience, even for me it is so hard to win a jackpot. But kids these days are winning like it's nothing. Ha ha, biggest joke of the year.


Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: Synchronice on December 03, 2023, 06:18:19 PM
The thing is, that these streamers get big wins so often that it seems very unlikely for their streaks to be happening at random.
I have seen that these streamers play with money that average person can't afford. Sometimes they play with tens of thousands of dollars per session. I don't know whether games that streamers play are rigged or not but it wouldn't surprise me if they were rigged because the main idea of stream is to attract new customers and you can't attract new customers if you deposit thousands of dollars and lose them all.

I'm sure that FIAT casinos are more guilty of this than anyone else.
First off FIAT-only casinos almost never work with provably fair games. So that's red flag number one.
Red flag number two is how FIAT casinos don't disclose their ads on streaming sites, especially when they hunted casinos other big casinos off streaming sites for good.

My country is a good example of this for instance. The local "licensed" casinos in Greece pushed the local regulator to block crypto casinos, and in the meantime the local ones are allowed to advertise with big streamers as they like. But in reality they're even more shady, because they don't explain anything about volatility and RTP to their players.
It's good that fiat casinos don't work with provably fair games. This makes crypto casinos more unique compared to them and it also growth crypto community. But I think slowly, because of the competition, fiat casinos are going and will implement provably fair games on their websites.



Title: Re: Streamer wins seem too good
Post by: dansus021 on December 04, 2023, 02:19:14 AM
Nobody does anything for free online. It is obvious they were sponsored by those companies to advertise their sites. We as a human are expert in badmouthing others for free of cost. But when it comes to talking about something good, we don't, unless we are getting paid. Same goes for those shitty streamers, youtubers, celebrities. After having years of gambling experience, even for me it is so hard to win a jackpot. But kids these days are winning like it's nothing. Ha ha, biggest joke of the year.

 ;D ;D even in a game without risking money I rarely get the jackpot bro  ;D I bet some streamers got the money from streaming and from the gambling site and lasly from the referall even he win big I doubt those are real money.

Or, they are not earning that high from streaming their gambling services that's why they need that referral code to be used by new players so that they can make better money. I mean, it's still a good deal if an online casino would let them mess around with the multi-win of a certain casino game as long as an allowance is given while they are advertising them. .
would be more great if the gambling site has program every user who top up we will gonna have amount of percentage of the money