Streamer wins seem too good

[rahmad2nd]

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This is something I've tried to highlight to my friends that want to get  into gambling, but overall not many people seem to be aware.
What has your experience been? Has this affected you or your friends?

We've discussed several times what you said, yep, like the contents of your thread. I'm quite sure, most of our society is very aware of what streamers do wherever the platform on which they create their gambling content is done. I don't see if there is any problem going on, or any conspiracy for that matter. I think it's fine what they do. After all, as long as they are paid, and they are happy to do it, especially if they don't break the law, that is their right.

Now the problem is with us who watch it. especially for those who like watching gambling streamers. if you think the way you think in your thread, theoretically other people almost think the same way. especially, for those of us who are very familiar with gambling. maybe yes, for beginners or amateur gamblers. they will be amazed, by what they have just witnessed.
Just imagine, quite a few streamers bet with fantastic value, regardless of whether it is true or not. the point is, now on ourselves.

For me, all of that doesn't matter and just consider it entertaining entertainment. especially, when they carry out hysterical acts. Funny enough isn't it, can't we just see it from the other side instead of focusing on what they won. Yep, it's that simple for me.

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[mvdheuvel1983]

The thing is, that these streamers get big wins so often that it seems very unlikely for their streaks to be happening at random. 

Whenever I have the time to watch these streamers, I tell myself in comfort that this is more than just luck. Yes it is more than just some random luck coming in to play. What is it that if the average person plays the slot they hardly win as much as the streamer does? It smells fishy. These streamers are promoting the casinos so it is only right that they make them win to given a good PR a lost is bad for the business and they wouldn't want that. The real question is that do these streamers actually cash out their winnings or it is just for show?

[Fatunad]

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This is something I've tried to highlight to my friends that want to get  into gambling, but overall not many people seem to be aware.
What has your experience been? Has this affected you or your friends?

We've discussed several times what you said, yep, like the contents of your thread. I'm quite sure, most of our society is very aware of what streamers do wherever the platform on which they create their gambling content is done. I don't see if there is any problem going on, or any conspiracy for that matter. I think it's fine what they do. After all, as long as they are paid, and they are happy to do it, especially if they don't break the law, that is their right.

Now the problem is with us who watch it. especially for those who like watching gambling streamers. if you think the way you think in your thread, theoretically other people almost think the same way. especially, for those of us who are very familiar with gambling. maybe yes, for beginners or amateur gamblers. they will be amazed, by what they have just witnessed.
Just imagine, quite a few streamers bet with fantastic value, regardless of whether it is true or not. the point is, now on ourselves.

For me, all of that doesn't matter and just consider it entertaining entertainment. especially, when they carry out hysterical acts. Funny enough isn't it, can't we just see it from the other side instead of focusing on what they won. Yep, it's that simple for me.

For you it is really just that something to be normal or something really just that fine or simply doesnt really care but we know that there are people who do easily get envious on the time that they would be seeing someone who do able to make up some big win on the time that they do gamble on which it would really be creating out that kind of idea that you might really be that able to get or experience on the same thing when you do tend to play. Its true that when seeing someone then it would really be just that depending on ours whether we would really be that highly impulsive and making out some assumptions that it might be something that shady or really that suspicious on why they are winning constantly or having on higher rates on which it would be leading out to the idea that they might be that giving out some chance by the house itself
to make them look a solid winner?

There's no way on proving it out unless if its really been that busted but after all these years on which those things are really just that assumptions
but without having those solid evidences.

[LUCKMCFLY]

The thing is, that these streamers get big wins so often that it seems very unlikely for their streaks to be happening at random. 

Whenever I have the time to watch these streamers, I tell myself in comfort that this is more than just luck. Yes it is more than just some random luck coming in to play. What is it that if the average person plays the slot they hardly win as much as the streamer does? It smells fishy. These streamers are promoting the casinos so it is only right that they make them win to given a good PR a lost is bad for the business and they wouldn't want that. The real question is that do these streamers actually cash out their winnings or it is just for show?

I've also asked myself all that, and I think that's something that Only they know, I personally think so, because a stramer earns a lot of money, and the casinos pay very well, and if they reach very remote communities and Communities, well , That is beneficial for a casino, I could think that if I see a streamer playing, as I have seen, it is difficult for them to win, there are some who lose, and the system behaves normally as if we were playing , it seems to me that it is something fair in their system, maybe the treamers in that oemtno because they enjoy having good luck and win, it could be what the situation is, it could be that things are done for the better, but personally I would think that things are very given to accept anything, I am one of those who think that a streamer will always be people who have money , because they will influence you, and even though now Twitch has so many restrictions, which seems inappropriate to me, because the caisno is not the fault of those who do and don't do ls live, because it is the Error of the platforms that saw their rules, not of the casinos.

I would think that an industry as large as casinos, games of chance, sports betting can be very relevant in everything, I would say that an influencer is somewhat Responsible if before playing he says the main things about a casino, that they say that the casino is just for having fun, you only have to put in the money you are willing to lose , you Should not Spend more than what you are committed to, and a casino will always have the house advantage for the best profit , It is advisable to go and withdraw to enjoy the profits, it is the best thing that can be done, of course I am one of those who think this way because I have seen many cases where the Person wins a lot in a casino and bets it, it is a mistake because What most of them do is lose a lot , and sometimes they lose all the money and have to take Out their own money to continue Playing.

[junder]

The thing is, that these streamers get big wins so often that it seems very unlikely for their streaks to be happening at random. 

Whenever I have the time to watch these streamers, I tell myself in comfort that this is more than just luck. Yes it is more than just some random luck coming in to play. What is it that if the average person plays the slot they hardly win as much as the streamer does? It smells fishy. These streamers are promoting the casinos so it is only right that they make them win to given a good PR a lost is bad for the business and they wouldn't want that. The real question is that do these streamers actually cash out their winnings or it is just for show?

Yes I also think that way, the winnings of the stremers are too good so that it makes us assume that it seems like it doesn't make sense and even more than just luck, it seems like this is suspicious, and honestly I have long suspected the stremers whose winnings seem to make no sense, as we know that basically gambling is nothing more than an activity that always depends on luck but on the other hand when we watch them play through streming it seems very easy to be able to get even very big wins.

And yes it seems that my suspicions are correct, as you said it makes more sense that they get that big win if indeed they are one of the people told by the casino to promote their gambling site, I am sure that statement is 99% true, because there is no way they can always get such luck every time they play while doing live streming on several social media. On the other hand, it seems that the casino's goal is to give good wins to the stremers in order to attract more people to play there. It seems that the account played by the stremers is nothing more than a promotional account provided by the casino and the casino has arranged everything so that the spin there is very good, that makes more sense, so the point is not to be easily tempted by whatever you see when you see the stremers win.

[Westinhome]

I've also asked myself all that, and I think that's something that Only they know, I personally think so, because a stramer earns a lot of money, and the casinos pay very well, and if they reach very remote communities and Communities, well , That is beneficial for a casino, I could think that if I see a streamer playing, as I have seen, it is difficult for them to win, there are some who lose, and the system behaves normally as if we were playing , it seems to me that it is something fair in their system, maybe the treamers in that oemtno because they enjoy having good luck and win, it could be what the situation is, it could be that things are done for the better, but personally I would think that things are very given to accept anything, I am one of those who think that a streamer will always be people who have money , because they will influence you, and even though now Twitch has so many restrictions, which seems inappropriate to me, because the caisno is not the fault of those who do and don't do ls live, because it is the Error of the platforms that saw their rules, not of the casinos.

I would think that an industry as large as casinos, games of chance, sports betting can be very relevant in everything, I would say that an influencer is somewhat Responsible if before playing he says the main things about a casino, that they say that the casino is just for having fun, you only have to put in the money you are willing to lose , you Should not Spend more than what you are committed to, and a casino will always have the house advantage for the best profit , It is advisable to go and withdraw to enjoy the profits, it is the best thing that can be done, of course I am one of those who think this way because I have seen many cases where the Person wins a lot in a casino and bets it, it is a mistake because What most of them do is lose a lot , and sometimes they lose all the money and have to take Out their own money to continue Playing.

The gambling world is totally different one,it had stremer and they earn some money from the gambling site.The gambling site surely earn by conducting the game between the two players.The players should build the tactics to win the game,many people tell us the gambling was purely based on the luck.But the gambling based on the luck only if the game like lottery or lucky draw.But the game based on the prediction can be crack by using the tactics.So now you understand the money flow to the gambler and the other gambler based on the gambler who crack the tactics of the certain game.So the loser of the gambling site will be the person who do random betting in the gambling site.One research center wording was 80 percentage of the gambler was doing the random bets in gambling site.

[Quidat]

I've also asked myself all that, and I think that's something that Only they know, I personally think so, because a stramer earns a lot of money, and the casinos pay very well, and if they reach very remote communities and Communities, well , That is beneficial for a casino, I could think that if I see a streamer playing, as I have seen, it is difficult for them to win, there are some who lose, and the system behaves normally as if we were playing , it seems to me that it is something fair in their system, maybe the treamers in that oemtno because they enjoy having good luck and win, it could be what the situation is, it could be that things are done for the better, but personally I would think that things are very given to accept anything, I am one of those who think that a streamer will always be people who have money , because they will influence you, and even though now Twitch has so many restrictions, which seems inappropriate to me, because the caisno is not the fault of those who do and don't do ls live, because it is the Error of the platforms that saw their rules, not of the casinos.

I would think that an industry as large as casinos, games of chance, sports betting can be very relevant in everything, I would say that an influencer is somewhat Responsible if before playing he says the main things about a casino, that they say that the casino is just for having fun, you only have to put in the money you are willing to lose , you Should not Spend more than what you are committed to, and a casino will always have the house advantage for the best profit , It is advisable to go and withdraw to enjoy the profits, it is the best thing that can be done, of course I am one of those who think this way because I have seen many cases where the Person wins a lot in a casino and bets it, it is a mistake because What most of them do is lose a lot , and sometimes they lose all the money and have to take Out their own money to continue Playing.

The gambling world is totally different one,it had stremer and they earn some money from the gambling site.The gambling site surely earn by conducting the game between the two players.The players should build the tactics to win the game,many people tell us the gambling was purely based on the luck.But the gambling based on the luck only if the game like lottery or lucky draw.But the game based on the prediction can be crack by using the tactics.So now you understand the money flow to the gambler and the other gambler based on the gambler who crack the tactics of the certain game.So the loser of the gambling site will be the person who do random betting in the gambling site.One research center wording was 80 percentage of the gambler was doing the random bets in gambling site.

The money that they do earn on a gambling site is on the money that they do get when they do finished the job.I dont really believe that a certain influencer would really be that gambling heavily
with their own money which it is really just that impossible and its really that unlikely that they arent aware on how risky it is and how much you could potentially be wasting up your money
with that one. This is why whenever we do see that they are  having so much money with their gambling account then it is likely that those funds are given by the house or company itself.
Seems like that they are really that winning to often? There's no way that we could prove out but it is normal that people would be thinking that they might have that
increased odds of winning by the house itself. 

[Casdinyard]

I think it's common knowledge that most streamers who have been sponsored by gambling sites have been using special accounts with amped win percentages, to paint the impression that the casino they are playing with is generous with its rewards. It's been like that with xQc as much as he doesn't want to admit it, and countless other twitch streamers before the ban. I say it's so easy for people who have been in this industry to dodge this bullet and be more cautious when watching these streamers, but at the same time, we got newbs who would literally assume that this is how generous crypto casinos are, until they get the beating of a lifetime and realize that all of it was nothing but a marketing tactic meant to fool these people out of their pocket money. Be more vigilant and smart, and of course, know that not all that shines is gold.

[gunhell16]

I think this is something more people should be aware of. To begin with, it might seem like common sense to people in this board since most here are experienced with games and gambling platforms.
But to any new comer into the gambling scene it probably isn't as obvious.

What am I talking about? Well, at least once you must have stumbled upon a stream where someone plays slots. These streams are normally sponsored by the casino that hosts the games. They pay the streamer a salary and even fund his account. So the casino knows who the streamer is, what his account is and when he'll be playing.

The thing is, that these streamers get big wins so often that it seems very unlikely for their streaks to be happening at random.

We would know this as casinos say in their terms that playing with fun money does not incur the same level of randomness when playing with real money, which is really code for saying that fun money results to more flashy wins when you really can't win anything. So it's not unlikely that streamers are also getting some similar treatment as they don't play with their own money. This can attract their viewers to deposit and gamble with real money of course, but they'll very rarely get the same results.

This is something I've tried to highlight to my friends that want to get  into gambling, but overall not many people seem to be aware.
What has your experience been? Has this affected you or your friends?

It's true that most communities that like to gamble are not aware of what you are saying, which they are supposed to be aware of as gamblers like us. Now, when it comes to streamers, all of them are actually paid by the casinos that they promote on the social media platform.

And since they are paid, most or all of them use demo accounts, and you will rarely show that they are losing, so they can tell their viewers that they are telling the truth, but the truth is that they are just cheating. The owner is aware of the promotions they are doing; they may be showing that they have already won a lot, but they are not showing that they have actually released it from the casino platform they are promoting. That is what they always do.

[Wiwo]

I think it's common knowledge that most streamers who have been sponsored by gambling sites have been using special accounts with amped win percentages, to paint the impression that the casino they are playing with is generous with its rewards. It's been like that with xQc as much as he doesn't want to admit it, and countless other twitch streamers before the ban. I say it's so easy for people who have been in this industry to dodge this bullet and be more cautious when watching these streamers, but at the same time, we got newbs who would literally assume that this is how generous crypto casinos are until they get the beating of a lifetime and realize that all of it was nothing but a marketing tactic meant to fool these people out of their pocket money. Be more vigilant and smart, and of course, know that not all that shines is gold.

I have stopped listening to or watching streamers for quite a long time now,  and the reason is because of the inability to convince myself that they are not rigged at all times because some of the streamers have shown some level of dissatisfaction in their approach and gameplay that exposes some aspect of the whole show being a possible rigged shows

So for that, gamblers either watch them for the fun and entertainment part of it rather than taking them streamers.

[o48o]

I think this is something more people should be aware of. To begin with, it might seem like common sense to people in this board since most here are experienced with games and gambling platforms.
But to any new comer into the gambling scene it probably isn't as obvious.

What am I talking about? Well, at least once you must have stumbled upon a stream where someone plays slots. These streams are normally sponsored by the casino that hosts the games. They pay the streamer a salary and even fund his account. So the casino knows who the streamer is, what his account is and when he'll be playing.

The thing is, that these streamers get big wins so often that it seems very unlikely for their streaks to be happening at random.

We would know this as casinos say in their terms that playing with fun money does not incur the same level of randomness when playing with real money, which is really code for saying that fun money results to more flashy wins when you really can't win anything. So it's not unlikely that streamers are also getting some similar treatment as they don't play with their own money. This can attract their viewers to deposit and gamble with real money of course, but they'll very rarely get the same results.

This is something I've tried to highlight to my friends that want to get  into gambling, but overall not many people seem to be aware.
What has your experience been? Has this affected you or your friends?

Thing is, these are only theories as we can't prove that. Also casinos would be risking everything as they are constantly being audited. And we have to also remember that these influencers are playing with insanely large bets, and winning with them will get our attention, but we don't tend to register every lost bet as they slowly pile up. We notice surprisingly big jackpots easily, as hose videos will get shared in social media way more often then someone slowly losing their balance. Because that would be boring to watch and is no interest to anyone.

So getting more retweets for your biggest jackpot, then to your losing streak is understandable. That doesn't mean you are favorited by anyone, but it would look like that, especially if you were looking unconsciously for confirmation bias.

[Slow death]

In my opinion we have to look at Streamers as just people who are playing to show us how certain games work, but we shouldn't copy what Streamers are doing when they play, for example when Streamers put a lot of money into a plinko games section or some another game should not copy this, people should play with small amounts of money, if a person has, for example, a salary of 1000$ per month and only has 20$ per month allocated to play, then that person must manage their resources well. bankroll so that it is possible to play with $20 for 30 days. for people who have a higher salary and allocate much more than 20$ to play, then they have a better chance of winning something and more hours of games during the 30 days

Now when you look at the Streamer cases, things are very different, the Streamer is playing for the business they do, that is, the casinos pay the Streamers to play and when they play they see it as a job, not in the sense that they must make money from gambling, but rather they strive to represent themselves well, that is, they strive to appear as if they are really playing seriously and concerned about victories or defeats, they are fully aware that games of chance are not things to be given profit and focus on their Streamer business. I wonder how many Streamers put money from their pockets into casinos

If we did a survey, we would probably discover that only less than 30% of Streamers are playing with a lot of their own money in casinos. I don't know if when they play with money sponsored by the casino if the games they win are as transparent as when a normal person plays. I say this because if a person takes a camera and films himself playing and wins a lot and the next day the same thing and on other days he wins, and when an ordinary person who plays without filming himself and spends many days without winning anything in the same game as the Streamer plays and wins, so it becomes very suspicious

[noormcs5]

Now when you look at the Streamer cases, things are very different, the Streamer is playing for the business they do, that is, the casinos pay the Streamers to play and when they play they see it as a job, not in the sense that they must make money from gambling, but rather they strive to represent themselves well, that is, they strive to appear as if they are really playing seriously and concerned about victories or defeats, they are fully aware that games of chance are not things to be given profit and focus on their Streamer business. I wonder how many Streamers put money from their pockets into casinos

Streamers are playing to promote the gambling sites and in most cases, they are funded by the gambling site to gamble with a lot of money and show their skills to the people and in return people may copy them and lose money.

Streamers' main source of earnings is not from gambling but from the money they either earn from the gambling sites (if they sponsor them) or they get money from the streaming platform where they stream.

Now when you look at the Streamer cases, things are very different, the Streamer is playing for the business they do, that is, the casinos pay the Streamers to play and when they play they see it as a job, not in the sense that they must make money from gambling, but rather they strive to represent themselves well, that is, they strive to appear as if they are really playing seriously and concerned about victories or defeats, they are fully aware that games of chance are not things to be given profit and focus on their Streamer business. I wonder how many Streamers put money from their pockets into casinos

I think only the new streamers who are not so popular, may use their own money to gamble while streaming. Once the streamers become popular and have a lot of audiences, then the gambling site's marketing teams may approach the streamers themselves and offer them money to stream their platform.

These are all marketing techniques and the end users that are gamblers should be aware of these tactics.

[Solosanz]

Thing is, these are only theories as we can't prove that. Also casinos would be risking everything as they are constantly being audited.

Alright, then give me a proof where the casinos are get audited? where's the financial report?

I'm not talking about the offline casinos, the online casinos especially the crypto casinos. They only have Curacao license, one of the weakest license for casino and even the casino turns scam, the regulator doesn't proceed the casinos and pay the gamblers.

[Coin_trader]

I have stopped listening to or watching streamers for quite a long time now,  and the reason is because of the inability to convince myself that they are not rigged at all times because some of the streamers have shown some level of dissatisfaction in their approach and gameplay that exposes some aspect of the whole show being a possible rigged shows

So for that, gamblers either watch them for the fun and entertainment part of it rather than taking them streamers.

I once a believer that streamer is not rigged but their frequent winning big before their stream end is kinda scripted already to me including those streamers that hitting big amount while the casino use it as news to attract more players to try is very questionable.

Aside from the streamer is using casino money, They probably use a unique account that already have a program to win big on a certain game once play multiple times. Most of the streamers that I’m watching usually win massive jackpot which is really hard to believe since the probability on hitting it every time they stream is very low yet they make it looks like so easy.

[EluguHcman]

You are right @ OP, I have had a similar situation at my end around 2016 where I was coming back from work and came across a gathering which I was interested to know about.
While I walked in it was a shuffling card which I got interested to play after seeing lot of person's playing and making winnings.
I was desperate to play the game because it was as simple as I thought it could be when I watched others played and wins but getting to my turn, there was one of the girls in the midsts who signaled me not to get on the game but I didn't understand the facial expressions.
In the first place when I could watch others played and fails, the winning cards where easily for me to identify just like a demo as OP may have said.
So I make a stake and won once which I got impressed and was tempted to stake more for more wins but at the other rounds, the  board man reshuffled the cards and after then I was unable to win any longer til I was totally exhausted to an extend I had no transport fair to get home.

While I frustratedly stood by the road side, one of the girls who signalled me previously who happens to be one of the streamers told me that there is a partiality on the game that on the process of the boardman shuffling the game he ejected out the expected winning card so there would be no way I could guess to point at the right card to win anymore.

She said to me that she tends to tell me about this because her boss haven't been paying them rather he only has them to stream the game in the streets and she also asked me to keep off from such scenarios of gambling because they have branches and some other corners.

I visited the place in about 5days later but they were not there anymore simply because they have ruined and extorted people enough in the areas that only them at the gambling board knows the key to the winning

[Lorence.xD]

I have stopped listening to or watching streamers for quite a long time now,  and the reason is because of the inability to convince myself that they are not rigged at all times because some of the streamers have shown some level of dissatisfaction in their approach and gameplay that exposes some aspect of the whole show being a possible rigged shows

So for that, gamblers either watch them for the fun and entertainment part of it rather than taking them streamers.

I once a believer that streamer is not rigged but their frequent winning big before their stream end is kinda scripted already to me including those streamers that hitting big amount while the casino use it as news to attract more players to try is very questionable.

Aside from the streamer is using casino money, They probably use a unique account that already have a program to win big on a certain game once play multiple times. Most of the streamers that I’m watching usually win massive jackpot which is really hard to believe since the probability on hitting it every time they stream is very low yet they make it looks like so easy.

It is because sometimes those streamers are pretty popular like in their own country, so people wouldn't expect that streamer to scam and manipulate people by showing clips or videos online of them winning huge amounts on a gambling game. For that reason, I think it's normal for people to believe them as sometimes they would provide proof of cashout which is totally fake. As a developer for sure you could make an account or the gambling itself to favor you, so if you are planning to catch people's interest and attention, you would literally ask for someone's popularity and give them a rigged account. Streamers would literally accept that offer cause they would be paid by simply promoting their gambling game, mentioning them in their every video, and of course advertisement, they can easily have an alibi by simply telling to people that they are not aware of the scam of the developers.

[bakasabo]

I find it also strange thar only streamers (on a small amount of just lucky gamblers) win huge amount, get high multipliers or get free spins often. I also find it strange how those streamers make huge bets. I have seen a guy who gambled with $100 in every spin, and  I wasnt surprised, that exactly during their streams and with such huge bet they win a lot. So they during 30-60min stream win several thousands. Just imagine if they luck would last 8h per day, 5 working days per week. Their luck seems so much unbelieveble.

[Unbunplease]

I find it also strange thar only streamers (on a small amount of just lucky gamblers) win huge amount, get high multipliers or get free spins often. I also find it strange how those streamers make huge bets. I have seen a guy who gambled with $100 in every spin, and  I wasnt surprised, that exactly during their streams and with such huge bet they win a lot. So they during 30-60min stream win several thousands. Just imagine if they luck would last 8h per day, 5 working days per week. Their luck seems so much unbelieveble.

The main question you should ask yourself is why stream if a person is already making great money. At the same time, the tax authorities may have questions - if a person is so successful, why does he pay so little tax? And the organized crime may be interested in -- after all, the man walks on the street.

[Dewi Aries]

I find it also strange thar only streamers (on a small amount of just lucky gamblers) win huge amount, get high multipliers or get free spins often. I also find it strange how those streamers make huge bets. I have seen a guy who gambled with $100 in every spin, and  I wasnt surprised, that exactly during their streams and with such huge bet they win a lot. So they during 30-60min stream win several thousands. Just imagine if they luck would last 8h per day, 5 working days per week. Their luck seems so much unbelieveble.

I think it's not just you who feel that there is something strange about the luck that the stremers have, is it by becoming a stremer then it will be able to increase the percentage of our luck? haha that's silly and forget it, basically luck cannot be edited or improved by ourselves, it's not luck if you can bring it so easily.

The amount of money at stake by the stremers is no joke, as you said they risked $100 in each round, if I was in such conditions, or I mean betting with such a large amount it seems I would not be as relaxed as them, of course there is a high level of concern because the risk I take is very high while on the other hand the final result cannot be predicted. Honestly, with what I see from them I have a big suspicion that is still unanswered, it seems like there is a third party helping them, I'm sure some people here know what I mean by third party.