Second chances

[Xal0lex]

Honestly the staff team needs to come up with strong and fair rules about trust system to get a sticky thread on rep board, and there will be no need to moderate or enforce it, there are some good DT members out there that can remind any abusers about their wrong doings.

You know very well that the trust system on the forum is not the competence of moderators. That is, the trust system is not moderated. DT members themselves must ensure that the trust system is used correctly. There is a topic where the basic provisions for using the trust system are described. Therefore, using the trust system for entries regarding forum rules, particularly plagiarism is wrong.

[Sexylizzy2813]

The admin will not waste his time on random newbie accounts; the opportunity is reserved for those who have contributed in some way in the past.

That's true but what I'm driving at is, those who their account was banned some years back might have opened another account and forget about the old one, do you still think they can still recall their password or username to even enroll on this second opportunity to revive their banned account?

Those are ban evaders, forum cheats, and rule violators; the instant they created a new identity to remain on the forum, they became lawbreakers, and the second chance is not for them.

I doubt any of them give a fuck about this because they are paroding with a new identity and possibly doing much better than before.

I think those set of people you mentioned are the sickness of the Forum like a virus making the Forum look bad and if they ain't taken care of, this place would have been a mess. Seriously those set of people don't need a second chance, they only need to stay off the Forum.
Of course they would definitely give a fuck, is like letting the prisoner out from them cells. If you can fish them out, I mean the bad ones I think they won't have the second chance to come do crazy things. If they're given that opportunity to come back with the old account I think they might start up something different in a negative way.

[JollyGood]

I understand, however those that have been banned and have come to terms with it may have created at least one other account. In the event they are the average member they may have come across the second chance thread and then can contemplate their next move.

If it happens to be an account-farmer, they probably would have flooded the thread with as many banned accounts as possible in the hope at least one would be saved and with that (even with the conditions of being unbanned) the hope of joining a signature campaign in the future. The fact it did not happen seems strange.

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I am surprised the thread has not been flooded with applications.

I am not the least bit surprised, because those who have been banned for a long time have already come to terms with it and will certainly not even know about this opportunity. In addition, there are certain conditions under which these accounts could be returned to their owners, and the signature ban makes them quite worthless for most of them.

[criptoevangelista]

I don't know if this kind of thing would be worth it, people don't change. If you used plagiarism, it is because you only have a financial interest due to campaign post goals.

[JollyGood]

Not necessarily. There forum is full of people from all sorts of backgrounds and all have their own reasons for posting here. Some are copying text from external sources and pasting it without claiming to be the author and it is about news and current affairs. Without a shadow of doubt there are highly contentious and controversial members that are posting copied text for nefarious purposes but personally I would not tarnish all of them with the same brush.

I don't know if this kind of thing would be worth it, people don't change. If you used plagiarism, it is because you only have a financial interest due to campaign post goals.

[Xal0lex]

I don't know if this kind of thing would be worth it, people don't change. If you used plagiarism, it is because you only have a financial interest due to campaign post goals.

The fact is that the absolute majority of users (with a few exceptions) engage in plagiarism at the very beginning of their journey on the forum, having a rank with which they are not accepted into signature campaigns. Therefore, it is wrong to talk about financial interest.  Secondly, very few people who come to the forum, hurry to familiarize themselves with the rules of the forum, so they make mistakes because of the banal ignorance of the rules of the forum. And people tend to change, and there are examples of this on the forum.

[nutildah]

The fact is that the absolute majority of users (with a few exceptions) engage in plagiarism at the very beginning of their journey on the forum, having a rank with which they are not accepted into signature campaigns.

Are you sure about this? It certainly wasn't my experience for the first 4 years I was on the forum. Sure, most people registered after 2017, and to join a campaign of some sort, but a good chunk of them probably never even wrote posts outside of bounty applications/reports.

Therefore, it is wrong to talk about financial interest.  Secondly, very few people who come to the forum, hurry to familiarize themselves with the rules of the forum, so they make mistakes because of the banal ignorance of the rules of the forum. And people tend to change, and there are examples of this on the forum.

They change because its in their financial interest to change. I'm sure its quite annoying to have an account banned for plagiarism and then have to start all over again, which I'm guessing most of them do, but that's how the lesson of not to plagiarize becomes ingrained... not because they are committed to becoming a better person.

As we're seeing now with ChatGPT, the same people who would have plagiarized before are now using AI to do their work for them, which is just a more sophisticated form of plagiarism.

[criptoevangelista]

I don't know if this kind of thing would be worth it, people don't change. If you used plagiarism, it is because you only have a financial interest due to campaign post goals.

The fact is that the absolute majority of users (with a few exceptions) engage in plagiarism at the very beginning of their journey on the forum, having a rank with which they are not accepted into signature campaigns. Therefore, it is wrong to talk about financial interest.  Secondly, very few people who come to the forum, hurry to familiarize themselves with the rules of the forum, so they make mistakes because of the banal ignorance of the rules of the forum. And people tend to change, and there are examples of this on the forum.

I understand... But the type of people I meant are those who do this knowing it is wrong. We can consider two distinct types of users, those who have no idea how to use a forum and those who try to circumvent the rules with some type of interest.

For the first group, I think a second chance is fair, for the second, perhaps a small number of users really deserve to come back, a lot of behavior analysis is needed.

But everything is valid, when you think about it, if it's not something very serious, like some conduct that directly harms other users, everyone deserves a chance to show that they can and want to change.

[rat03gopoh]

I understand... But the type of people I meant are those who do this knowing it is wrong.

You mean those who also know the consequences? No, they won't, being accepted into the sigcamp is a rare opportunity. In most ban cases of higher ranks, they don't do outright plagiarism, but instead use text spinners or other robotic tools. Other cases, if someone has dug your post history in depth and found your past mistakes before learning the forum rules.

[Xal0lex]

The fact is that the absolute majority of users (with a few exceptions) engage in plagiarism at the very beginning of their journey on the forum, having a rank with which they are not accepted into signature campaigns.

Are you sure about this? It certainly wasn't my experience for the first 4 years I was on the forum. Sure, most people registered after 2017, and to join a campaign of some sort, but a good chunk of them probably never even wrote posts outside of bounty applications/reports.

I do not claim to be true. When I said so, I meant my own observations, which are based on information from my topic, where I keep records of banned users in the Russian section and on the basis of reports in the topic Report plagiarism.... As well as based on information from the moderator section.

[Sandra_hakeem]

I'm referring to all the scheming, conniving, alt-accounting, merit-groveling weasels that are anything but honest and only here to extract as much wealth from as many different sig campaigns and bounties as they can get themselves into.

Okay... This is exactly what came into my mind when I first read the update... These guys ain't even planning on relinquishing, talkmore of creating a pathway for them pegans? They be like - this is made easy and I think it's time to pull through _{security cameras ain't watching no more}... Shitt!!  Well, I'm not totally discouraged since the rules gotta stuck them up!!... What's the whole purpose of farming several accounts? Signatures... What's the toughest conditions ? Not joining a signature for about 2years.lol..

I think that a ban on wearing a signature will cool down scammers, and those people who were banned for an accidental or innocent mistake will return here.

No. It's only a perma-ban that serves a scammer outrightly. For the rest of the people you describe, they'll have a chance.

If it happens to be an account-farmer, they probably would have flooded the thread with as many banned accounts as possible in the hope at least one would be saved and with that (even with the conditions of being unbanned) the hope of joining a signature campaign in the future. The fact it did not happen seems strange.

it'll happen in a way that META would become fully of shitty, spammed and unmatchable requests...This is what I fear for.  I knew JollyGOOD wouldn't just agree to something bad.

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

[JollyGood]

We have had 70+ posts in the thread and are on to page 4 yet there have been just two appeals that I can find. True to form, the NoorulHuda account-farmer was never going to miss the opportunity to try get at least one of the banned accounts reprieved. Another account (Nathrixxx) has asked for a reprieve too.

Here are their second chance appeals, in my opinion it is pointless restoring their accounts even with conditions/restrictions attached:

Username: Nathrixxx

Constructive post:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5368476.msg58312284#msg58312284

Username: NoorulHuda
Constructive post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232519.msg59908487#msg59908487 (urdu)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232519.msg59819871#msg59819871 (English)


More Info:Banned since: May 04, 2022 - 587 days- (1 year 7 months 9 days)
Ban appeal thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5395857.0

Other post/topics:  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5391044.0https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5391088.0

[shahzadafzal]

We have had 70+ posts in the thread and are on to page 4 yet there have been just two appeals that I can find. True to form, the NoorulHuda account-farmer was never going to miss the opportunity to try get at least one of the banned accounts reprieved. Another account (Nathrixxx) has asked for a reprieve too.

Here are their second chance appeals, in my opinion it is pointless restoring their accounts even with conditions/restrictions attached:

It's possible that the announcement hasn't reached the banned accounts yet, or they've already moved on to their alts and are doing well there. They may want to avoid coming into the spotlight again to prevent potential exposure of their other accounts, much like the case of naim027, where his unban news exposed him.

However, I'm still in favor of giving a second chance. Who knows, after getting another chance, they might become good members.

Moreover, most banned accounts are usually "new members" who may not be aware of the rules or have taken them lightly. They often realize their mistakes only after being banned. Therefore, giving them a second chance could lead to them being more careful and playing by the rules.

[Igebotz]

It's possible that the announcement hasn't reached the banned accounts yet, or they've already moved on to their alts and are doing well there. They may want to avoid coming into the spotlight again to prevent potential exposure of their other accounts, much like the case of naim027, where his unban news exposed him.

It is possible that users are avoiding getting trolled  by some of the attackers on this thread, so they selected the email route, which is less troll-prone and easier for them. I don't think anyone will use this thread honestly; it's already turning into a spambot, and so many applications will be buried in no time. .

[Adbitco]

Wow what a great and merciful chance you have given to them to enjoy their holiday I believe this won't be forgotten so soon in the history of the forum.
I want to say that you should careful monitor alt, I believe those with alt don't mind following up to get their ban account unbanned since you have given the privileged to them.

Merry Christmas to all enjoy your holiday
Stay safe!

[ChiBitCTy]

It was a big worry that if the forum started to allow banned members to request and possibly receive an un-ban, that it would then set banned members in to a frenzy and overwhelm the Mods. Theymos, after Hilarious’s thread to discuss changing the rules (which was in large part was in favor for doing so) changed the rules and it didn’t become an overwhelming issue like some thought it would.  Most banned members simply move on or create ban evading new accounts. Didn’t think this would be a ton different, but this thread goes to show the Mods here aren’t evil and non-caring and whatever else people will say towards them when irrationally upset.

Appreciate you and this thread Cyrus!! Hopefully it’ll help a few members whom made dumb mistakes get a second chance.

[tbct_mt2]

We will post all of the unbanned users in this thread. Hopefully in the future we'll look back on this as proof of the value of forgiveness and second chances. (Otherwise, maybe we'll look back on this as a reason not to do it again in the future.)

Enjoy the Holidays and Happy 2024 everyone!

A good second chance for many forum users and with the most common rule violation leads to their bans, plagiarism, I hope if they get second chances, they will not do it again.

[TIPS] to avoid plagiarism.
[GUIDE] Plagiarism and how to avoid it.

With growth of ChatGPT, they must not use ChatGPT-generated content too.

AI Spam Report Reference Thread

[JollyGood]

'Tis the season to be Jolly (good) therefore it some of us do appreciate this thread but the goodwill shown by Cyrus seems to only have been grabbed by two members and that is something I find extremely peculiar. If there are members that made genuine mistake that resulted in bans, this is their chance to try get a reprieve but the take-up is very low and one of those (NoorulHuda) seems to be an account-farmer.

Appreciate you and this thread Cyrus!! Hopefully it’ll help a few members whom made dumb mistakes get a second chance.

[Pablo-wood]

This is a very high level of kind gesture displayed as an admin. I am sure the lucky ones who get unbanned will make good use of this second chance and avoid plagiarism as much as the can.

Citing only but one constructive post made by the user is really fair I must say. At least it will show the user deserves the second chance and that they can still do more constructive posts when the return fully to the form

[Mate2237]

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There were appeals people made last year. And I don't know why they have not dropped their application or probably they have missed out the thread.
Appeal apologies for dataispower ban
Ban Appeal For DiMarxist I made a search from page one to page thirteen and I only saw these two appeals. I think they can also be considered if they have submitted the application. And the instruction is if you have not appealed then use the amnesty email to submit your application and those who have appeal can also do that. And by now they many have done that. I also appreciate Cyrus kind gesture to help them. When finally they are unbanned, they should go and sin no more.