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eXch (https://exch.pw/) is an automatic cryptocurrency exchange, accepting .Bitcoin, Lightning, Monero, Litecoin, Ethereum. and ERC20 tokens. We are a privacy-oriented service aiming to protect our users from censorship and constant pressure of the AML/KYC-enforcing market. We have a strict non-logging policy (https://exch.pw/tos). All operations are performed instantly, and you will not get confused in the amounts.

• Why to use our service

➥ No registration required
➥ No JavaScript
➥ No Cloudflare
➥ We don't collect IP addresses nor any other metadata
➥ Fully automatic exchanges that take less than 1 minute to complete
➥ Flat (1%) and Dynamic (0.5%) rate modes (No hidden fees)
➥ Automatic refunds ✔️
➥ Generous affiliate (https://exch.pw/affiliation) program (We share 30% of our profit with you)

• Important

➥ We do not use third-party markets/exchanges nor resell APIs.
➥ We do not use any third-party liquidity providers and all our reserves belong to us, allocated on our nodes / We can provide proof of reserves.
➥ All the nodes and wallets our users interact with belong to us and we are fully responsible for users funds.
➥ Note that our old domain (exch[dot]cc) is not operating anymore nor belong to us.

• Our direct contacts

Email: support@exch.cx
Support ticketing system at https://exch.pw/support
SimpleX Chat (https://simplex.chat): Connection link (https://simplex.chat/contact#/?v=1-4&smp=smp%3A%2F%2FZKe4uxF4Z_aLJJOEsC-Y6hSkXgQS5-oc442JQGkyP8M%3D%40smp17.simplex.im%2FOBuoq_jQdaBfnLWIMZF_sR3Diot4vUXo%23%2F%3Fv%3D1-2%26dh%3DMCowBQYDK2VuAyEA7qUxmga0lKtSMyGC7R5j5LSHcaMzMuaBbxlUqwNp_gw%253D%26srv%3Dogtwfxyi3h2h5weftjjpjmxclhb5ugufa5rcyrmg7j4xlch7qsr5nuqd.onion)
https://exch.cx/SCQR.png

https://exch.cx/fdroid.png (https://f-droid.org/en/packages/io.github.pitonite.exch_cx/)

MAIN DOMAIN: exch.cx
RESERVE DOMAINS: exch.pw  exch.is

Anyone tried this? Any reviews if this is legit?

Yes, they are legit and really fast exchanger. Using them frequently because they have lower rates then other exchangers

We started to receive Western Union/PayPal for Bitcoin. 0%. Manual mode.
Contact here via pm or contacts above

not seeing any contact us , about pages in the site ?

Wow,,, minimum is 0.11000 BTC for exchange. hahahaha... be careful

yeah this seems a bit fishy especially since the person that voucher for them @audereyy only has 3 post.....BEWARE

Funny. It's not so hard to acquire posts on this forum - even a person with 72 posts can be a scammer.
We have all this work done not to scam 1 person for 5$ :) it could be so stupid...

Anyway, any project of that kind takes some time to obtain its audience, we're not offended by your words and kindly understand your point.

So, who believed us is getting no fee exchanges and nice bonuses
Who not - we're sorry that you've missed your opportunity.

P.S. we removed a 0.11000 BTC minimum, it was an error. Thank you!

UPDATE:

Now you can easily exchange your PM e-Voucher to BTC in one click!

I'm glad to have found another exchanger that can accept paypal. eXch.cc has completed a $50 trade with me, just a small one to start with but I'd like to do more in furture. Thanks!

Hi,I used your service for a long time ,a friend created me an api payment exchanger pm-to-btc through your page but now you have made some updates or you have blacklisted my website so now i can't receive payments through your site.Remember that i'm the one of very first that used your exchanger and trusted you when other people were doubting you and they thought you are a ripper.So please remember this and help me out.Thank you.

I did some trades with eXch.cc and wanted to do more but they've been absent from bitcointalk since early November.

Their website is still available but no one responds to emails. It sucks when reliable people just drop out of sight.

Hello, firstly, we don't provide any API and never provided, so please notice that "your friend" has done something illegal and not authorized by our exchanger.
Secondly, you are an administrator of carding stores and we refuse to provide any service to you. Your accounts were banned by PerfectMoney staff too. Good luck.


We temporarily don't provide PayPal exchange, it will be restored soon on the site. If you want to exchange another currencies, feel free to make automatic exchanges via our website https://exch.cc available 24/7

Hey! Welcome back!

I'll try to remember to check out your site every so often and I hope you'll start accepting paypal again soon. In the mean time, keep posting, ok?  ;)

Thanks! good exchanger

It's really good?

I like to know also if anyone tried this exchanger lately.

We have relaunched our platform under a new domain: exch.cx (https://exch.cx)
 
Exchange cryptocurrencies instantly without registration.
 
Currencies available for automatic exchange:
 
* Bitcoin
* Litecoin
* Ethereum
* Monero
* Dash
* DAI  [ERC20]
* USDC [ERC20]
* USDT [ERC20]
 
Currencies to be added this month:
 
* Stellar
* Algorand
* Bitcoin Lightning
 
Important:
1. All the nodes and wallets our users interact with belong to us and we are fully responsible for users funds. We do not use third-party markets/exchanges nor resell APIs.
2. Note that our old domain (exch[dot]cc) is not operating anymore nor belong to us.
3. Our Ethereum address is static and can serve as a proof of reserve (also for ERC-20 tokens): 0xf1da173228fcf015f43f3ea15abbb51f0d8f1123
4. We can provide proof of reserve for Bitcoin and Litecoin on request. Since we don't use a static address for those, it will require us to aggregate all utxo's on one address in order to make a signed message.

Hi everybody,

I am wondering why nobody is writing a review for this exchanger. I have used it four times now always with 4 digit sums to exchange from BTC to another Crypto and it worked fine.

I am planning to use them more often in the future, however what I am missing somehow is some kind of signed letter of guarantee. For the unlikely case that I do not receive my exchanged funds back, how could I then proof that I have sent the funds to their correct wallet and that my recipient wallet did not get anything back fom them?

@exch.cc: Are you planning to provide signed letters of guarantee in the future or how would such an unlikely case be solved, I mean: how could I provide proof in the unlikely case of a dispute?

Looking forward for your replies.

Regards
Alex

Thank you very much for your feedback, alexhaering!

You have suggested an excellent idea. We will implement signed letters of guarantee for funding addresses and also announce our public key.

Thanks for your quick response. I really like the signed letters of guarantee from cryptomixer because the include all details of the trade (funding wallet and recipient wallet). Maybe you want to implement yours similar like that. That would be great.


How long do you think will it take until this new feature will be available on you website?

In the meantime I will continue to screen record the whole exchange process, however I don't like that very much and would really prefer signed LoG.

I just wanted to swap approximatly 1 BTC to XMR but the result message was "Maximum transfer amount for XMR is 0.18....."

Could you please stock up on your XMR reserves so that swapping from BTC to XMR is possible again?

We have implemented signed letters of guarantee. Each LoG is signed with the following address: 1P59vP5TNXAFRnQJvZSkwhYXejYW3teXch


We do not stock any coin on purpose since we do not have any liquidity providers and all coins are stocked once our users sell them to us.

I'm glad that you heeded my advice and resumed your activity here on the forum. ^{[The users who wrote to you were not active for about six months]}.  :D

Although it’s great that you reminded me about letters of guarantee, because this is essentially insurance against disputes.

Hey there.
Do you have any plans of adding stable coins USDT/USDC on other networks that are not based on ethereum blockchain?
Many people probably switched to other alternative chains because of much lower lower transaction fees.

That would be interesting to see, and I think there is something similar like stable coins that is based on Lightning Network and Bitcoin.
Maybe that would be a best alternative for fiat currencies that are not available on your exchange, and you they are not the same as stablecoins on shitcoin networks, since they are all backed by Bitcoins.
You can check out stablesats for more information on that, but I think stablesats are already available on Kollider Exchange with USD and EUR:
https://stablesats.com/
https://kollider.xyz/

eXch was mentioned as a cryptocurrency mixer by the security company SlowMist in their mid-year report for 2023 available at https://www.slowmist.com/report/first-half-of-the-2023-report(EN).pdf (https://www.slowmist.com/report/first-half-of-the-2023-report(EN).pdf)


So far gathering these statistics was possible only on Ethereum blockchain, since we use a single aggregation address (https://etherscan.io/address/0xf1da173228fcf015f43f3ea15abbb51f0d8f1123) for all Ethereum & ERC-20 exchange operations. We do not aggregate UTXO's on single addresses for other coins, making traceability of our exchanges nearly impossible for chain analysis platforms, which is intended to protect our users privacy.

eXch has received 9 disclosure requests from various LE agencies in 2023 and none of them were satisfied, because we considered all their requests illicit.

Just got to know about this exchange despite it being quite old. Maybe some little bit of activity here and listing in some privacy focused sites can help, like kycnot.me. Listing is free and the ranking will be based on how excellent your service is towards privacy

if you are interested in listing, read through this page - https://kycnot.me/about#support


Why did you abandon the exch.cc domain? Some phishing hacker can easily acquire it and use it to steal people's funds while pretending to be your exchange. Especially with this outdated alerts/information still available in the forum. New customers can actually think it's still your official domain name.

We are listed on kycnot.me since August 2022 (https://codeberg.org/pluja/kycnot.me/commit/0826072b298be2a95dff01fa442bc48cd3356e6c):

https://kycnot.me/service/exch
 (https://kycnot.me/service/exch)


We'll update information related to the old domain at our site's Q&A section and also list all the reasons of the domain change, which are complex bulk of events related to the lost investment during our partnership with WEX (BTC-e) in the past platform's operation.

All the links to the older domain were already removed or converted to a safe/unclickable format in case there was some historical relevance. The post referenced by you was kept while we were trying to get relisted at BestChange (https://www.bestchange.com/exch-exchanger.html (https://www.bestchange.com/exch-exchanger.html)) so the amount of posts containing the old domain was somehow important, however since BestChange has refused to relist our service even that we proved the relation between the old and new domains because they wanted to identify and KYC people behind eXch along with requiring nonsensical measures such as making a video conference with their "security team" via Skype and asking for our ID copies to be uploaded through some image uploaders full of JS bloatware, which was impossible to do due to our internal opsec protocols that help us to keep our identities private, we have dropped the idea to get relisted there, therefore those posts will now be removed.

There must be some good alternative for bestchange that doesn't ask from exchanges to conduct silly verification system, and I honestly don't know anyone who is using skype in 2023.

If I remember correctly I think I saw eXch exchange listed on trocador.app website before, but I don't see it there as much as before, and your exchange is still listed below with others as one of the partners.
Are you still working with them or with someone else?

I've been to your site when I've discovered exch.cx in the avatar of a Legendary user.

It's saying you're using own liquidity. You aren't asking KYC. It's calculating competitive rates so I'd use it if I had cryptocurrencies for exchanging. You've had the Service Announcement thread since 2014 but aren't famous so you should become more present. You'll create channels for trading in the forum if you advertise the competitive rates.

I am not sure if I was looking at the wrong place, but the lower link you just shared led to nowhere. I have also tried searching on kycnot.me exchanges list and exch.cx does not show up.

Maybe you were delisted at one point and you were not notified?

Trocador was being pressured by some of their partners who collaborate with LE and practice shotgun KYC to delist eXch by freezing/suspending operations that include coins coming from eXch, because our BTC don't pass AML checks due to not having a known single aggregation address thus it's impossible to identify them as BTC coming from an exchange without providing a proof that it was made on eXch.
Consequently, Trocador has stopped listing eXch in their results. After some discussion between us and Trocador, we have showed them that there are coins from us that pass AML checks without any issue and never get frozen at major CEX, since we use a single ETH address which is whitelisted at exchanges like Binance and Kraken already to not trigger automatic suspensions (we have communicated with both of them about this subject), therefore Trocador relisted pairs from eXch that include ETH and XMR. We have then suggested Trocador to relist BTC and LTC coming from us along with showing an informative warning to their users regarding risks from sending those coins to major CEX and "shotgun KYC" services, but apparently Trocador decided to not relist them.

This situation has turned into a dilemma for us whether to continue with mixed UTXO's at BTC and LTC or to start aggregating them on a single address. The way we do it now is a reason why many users who seek privacy prefer our service to others, because it's nearly impossible for chain analysis to track our exchanges. Having a known address at all chains would make a lot easier for chain analysis to track our exchanges.

We will probably make a poll somewhere asking our users opinion on how their prefer our service to handle BTC and LTC, having 2 options:

1. Mixed UTXO's without aggregating (our current operation mode)
Pros: high anonymity level, almost impossible to track for chain analysis
Cons: outgoing transactions usually don't pass AML checks and there are risks of getting frozen at major CEX or services that do AML/KYC

2. Aggregated UTXO's at a single known address
Pros: no risks of being frozen at major CEX or services that do AML/KYC, everybody knows your coins come from an exchange
Cons: poor anonymity level, easy to track for chain analysis (although could be mitigated with multi-address distribution and payout delays)

There may be also a third option if we make 2 separated pools for mixed and aggregated coins and let users select which pool to use for their output, however it's a lot more complicated to implement and maintain.

However, we hope that in the near future more and more people leave taint-proclaiming services and opt for decentralized exchanges like Bisq or services like ours, where AML scores aren't a problem.


No, we were not. Their site had a redesign some days ago that affected its URLs. All the URLs that had "/exchange/" part in them no longer work because they now all contain "/service/" part instead. For example, if our older link was https://kycnot.me/exchange/exch, the new link now is https://kycnot.me/service/exch (https://kycnot.me/service/exch).
For some reason they haven't bothered making redirects for older links.

I have updated the link in my previous post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577207.msg62658004#msg62658004).

Also a screenshot of their site with eXch listed: https://oshi.at/DMCf.png (https://oshi.at/DMCf.png)

So I guess I was right when I noticed something strange was happening  :P
I didn't know anything about this stuff happening behind the scenes, but I am not going to use Trocador anymore if they continue doing stuff like this.
There are alternative aggregators I found on kycnot.me like Orangefren, and I am switching over to them instead.

I think that majority of members in bitcointalk forum will choose option 1 with high anonymity level, but I do understand people who are concerned because they are using more centralized exchanges.
It's much better to use decentralized exchange like Bisq, but sometimes people trade with others using P2P and other side is often using exchanges like Binance and Coinbase.

Maybe this compromise would work best for everyone, if you can handle extra complexity.

I am happy that you set up a signature/ an advertisement campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5464074.0) to create more awareness about this great and legendary exchange.

It's a very service but just like me 3 weeks ago, some people have no idea about it. It's a breed of an instant exchange and a mixer. Matter of fact, I am already recommending it to some people whenever I can.

Since I was invited to join the signature campaign, I did a small test (not on Mobile) to exchange some LTC to XMR. What I really like, is the lack of Cloudflare. The clearnet site just loads normally in Tor browser, and that's something mosts sites can't do anymore nowadays.
What surprised me, is there is no fixed "fee per transaction". It looks like the 1% or 0.5% fee is really everything, which matters a lot on small transactions. The minimum amount is 0.0001BTC, and much lower in value for altcoins. I haven't tried a large amount, as it was only for testing and I don't really need to exchange coins at the moment.
So far, I'm not disappointed and bookmarked the .onion site (on my desktop). I kinda expect people to complain about the limited choices of altcoins though.

Just got to know about this exchange through the signature campaign lunched recently, despite it being quite old (back to 2014). And although it seems to be a legit service, i wonder why there is less to no activities especially in terms of promotional materials.
Another note regarding the possibility of using the platform as a mixer since the maximum exchange rate is relatively high. I wonder whether this given is dealt with adequately or not, especially since the terms of use maintain privacy at the highest level.

It's a pity that your actual forum username still contains the old domain. Maybe worth bugging @theymos for a name change once again?

This thread also contains the old domain in all the replies of people from almost 10 years ago. I'd consider creating a new thread and closing this one, especially since it seems like the site relaunched recently? Or am I mistaken and just the Bitcointalk activity was resumed after a longer hiatus?

Quite excited to try a (for me) new instant exchange though, especially for Lightning <> on-chain funds! Keeping my eye out for that update for now.

There is no need to create a new thread as it is well indexed by search engines.

Among other things, I have also already notified the eXch team that it is preferable to change the username, so we are already working on this.  ;)

That's a very good point, I see!

What a legend. You're always going the extra mile when managing your campaigns!
I think you're already familiar with the Bitcointalk username changing process; last person to do that is The Skeptical Chymist, to the best of my knowledge.

They pledged  themselves to list five more a year ago. Let's keep  hope they will do it  this year  ;)

It’s interesting how long this site and user has been around and coming back to the forum to put out the changes and improvements to the site is a plus to them.
After going through thread and background checks on the site, i could note that the genesis age of the site was met with some resentment especially with the fact that, the minimum was pegged at BTC0.11 as at 2014 which made me wonder what was the price then that kept people rumbling. I did a little research to get an insight into the price then and as at 2014;

All Time High (ATH) = $936
LOW = $310 and
End Of Year = $318
Data from: Bitcoinmagazine.com

Average = Sum/3 = $1,564/3 = $521.3
Hence, while BTC1 = $521.3
The value for minimum would be BTC0.11 = $57.3

Can’t say that’s for sure what it used to be but based on my findings, I can draw an inference on about $50.

While that might have been a lot and scary for a developing coin and projects, today’s minimum at BTC0.0001 valued at $2.6 with bitcoin price at $26.4k is a significant improvement.

A little note though,
I don’t seem to find a system of deposit available on some directive of usage on the site and this posed a challenge, which makes me imagine how it would be for a complete newbie.
And of course, the site speaks of exchange which happens to be ideal but, what happens is mainly the swapping between coins and if that could be spelt out in signature or announcement thread and possibly on the site, it would give a direct purpose to the whole idea on first site and remove the scale of having to rediscover.
You can take this to be some review on approach.

Happens with most old school Bitcoin related services. I don't want to mention names here, but if you look at most open source services that actually don't need KYC and offer anonymity. They mostly don't advertise, probably because they have a specific type of clientele that always use their service for years but yeah, advertising can bring in new customers.

Looking at their current 24-hour volume, it doesn't look bad.

The crypto market needs more of these services that maintain the greatest degree of privacy during use. I wonder how users can find these platforms without the platforms themselves promoting their services and defining their advantages compared to the rest of the exchange platforms. eXch can be considered as distinct even compared to other instant exchanges.
The daily trading volume is not bad, but I am sure that it will increase with the launch of the signature campaign on the forum. And I suggest they contact bestchange platform to get it listed there. And also amplify activity on their forum channel to get feedback directly from the community.

I would just propose removing .cc and don't use anymore domains in username... theymos can make a small change in username but he won't do it all the time if domains keep changing.

I tried the same exchange direction. I choose it because eXch notifies in their FAQ about possible delays in Monero delivery which is due to the impossibility of sending a next transaction in Monero before the previous one is fully confirmed. I would like to check how long could the delay last. But, as I understood, there was no queue at the moment of my exchange, and it was processed very fast. Once eXch received my litecoins, it sent monero to me.

In general, I can say that the exchanger looks safe, the fees are reasonable, the reported volumes are impressive. I see only two vulnerabilities:
1. the reserves of some tokens are quite small (yesterday I checked three tmes, and eXch always had only some Dollars in USDT);
2. more popular crypto assets are absent while less popular ones are available (e.g. there is no USDT TRC20, but eXch still supports USDT ERC20 which isn’t so widespread, IMHO).

I read somewhere in the comment and the exchange representative states just how it’s been put under consideration on the possibility of having to incorporate some of the popular stable coins on the platform.


I think that would serve more purpose as, these stable coins are looked up for reservations, trying to use it as an edge against volatility, quick payments amongst others which makes them a preferred for most when not looking towards investment and could bring some more patronage to the exchange. Don’t know why there is a pause on the initiative yet but, it would be one in great demand.

I wasn't sure if I saw it correctly, so I tried again and I can now confim a bug.
When I make a transaction, I see this:
Confirming transaction... (0/1 confirmations)
And a bit later I see this:
Confirming transaction... (3/10 confirmations)

I check again (a third time), and now noticed the XMR test amount was received already when LTC had 3 confirmations. It looks like the bug is only in the interface.

We express our gratitude to all the users who tried our service and wrote honest reviews.


SlowMist have already mentioned us as an Ethereum mixing service and compared to Tornado Cash. More information in this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577207.msg62649320#msg62649320



We'll definitely update the post on another forum since our plans have changed since. We will only support well estabilished and well decentralized networks. Supporting tokens/coins that appear and disappear is not something we would like to do.


Wouldn't call them vulnerabilities since we usually refer to that word within IT security context.

The reserves of our tokens change daily and fully depend on users selling them to us in exchange to other coins. We do not rebalance coins on a purpose.

We don't exchange some popular crypto assets because they represent considerable risks to us. We don't plan to support the Tron network for now, however we may reconsider it the future.

Users who want to buy risky/popular assets usually buy ETH from us then swap to whatever they like on liquidity pools (i.e. Uniswap).



BestChange and eXch don't share any values in common. BestChange is a taint proclaiming service and require full identification of their listed services operators. More information is in this reply: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577207.msg62658004#msg62658004


We have registered another account back in 2014 named "eXch" which has no posts and was locked due to inactivity, however we still have its password:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=317539


Maybe the forum administration will consider deleting that account to rename this one.



That's not a bug. We track confirmations of our outgoing transactions before considering an order complete, hence two confirmation processes during two different order stages. Since you have mentioned LTC to XMR, the first number of confirmations refers to the "CONFIRMING INPUT" state for LTC which requires 1 confirmation to start an exchange and the second number of confirmations refers to the "CONFIRMING SEND" state for XMR which requires 10 confirmations till it changes to the "COMPLETE" state.

Adding new shitcoins is (mostly) waste of time for me.
One more option I would like to see in eXch is introducing option for cash trading, but I know this can be tricky, especially in different regions and countries.

You can message theymos and ask him about this:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=35

Why not consider unlocking that account instead of requesting its deletion? Given the account's age, there might be some value in doing so.
I'm not sure about the exact requirements and what needs to be done, but have you tried sending an email to the provided address?

Unlocking the old account does not solve the main problem, namely that this thread is attached to the current account, which was created many years ago and which has value (and is also well indexed by search engines). Assuming that you use the old account to communicate with users, while maintaining the thread, then this also does not solve problems. The reason is that if the team will communicate with us on behalf of "eXCh", then most users will still be confused, because when they enter the thread, they will first see the account that created this thread, the account named "eXCh.cc".

Only two options

Given there is a dedicated team handling recovery of accounts, I think it's very easy to unlock it, but the current account they are using is equally old and has even more activity than the other.

I am suggesting they try contacting admin to change the username of the current account to eXch.cx. I think their reason is valid enough for the admin to act promptly. Meanwhile, they can also recover the other account as back up

Hm, I don't aware of Bitcoin Lightning token but other four that you have promised to list in  the previous year are  quite sustainable decentralized  tokens/coins.   I don't see any reason why they should disappear even in the long term perspective. Anyway, whatever the cause of  cancellation of your past plans is, from my standpoint, by limiting the number of coins available for exchange you are restraining  your business.  

Just to try I have swaped ETC to BTH and back to ETH and should confess everything went smoothly. From this I can conclude that you have the relevant swaping technique  , so,    adding at easy steps the  new coins , at least from top 10, would make your business more competitive, IMHO.

I just explored exch.cx, and it seems interesting to try to exchange Bitcoin to Monero. I have a silly question, Can I use Monero's address from my local Cex exchange?.

And, what is the difference between Flat and Dynamic rates?. does it affect how long our coin receipt?

Do you have GitHub?, I was curious when I read here (https://exch.cx/support), there is GitHub link I clicked, but it was not exch GitHub, but explained about the telegram exploit.

I see no reason why not. The question is what you're trying to accomplish: if you don't want the local Cex to know the origin of your Bitcoin, it will work. I'm not sure what you accomplish doing that though, especially if the Cex knows who you are.

Flat rate: 1% fee. I assume the fee is locked in the moment you calculate how much you'll receive.
Dynamic rate: 0.5% fee. I assume this uses the market fee the moment your transaction is confirmed.

I don't think so.

It makes no sense if you are going to anonymize your transactions through eXch only to send the coins right back to a CEX, but yeah, you can use any address as a deposit address. Maybe the tricky one would be Ethereum, where most services don't accept smart contract addresses.

It's not listed anywhere on their website, and they are close-sourced.

Used 2 times so far, pretty fast and it feels secure, it's good to know that random KYC popup won't appear.

My intuition tells me that this business will evolve into more of a crypto mixer, also handling various altcoins as an alternative. Up to now, I haven't encountered any reliable altcoin mixers. Perhaps you could become the first to gain trustworthiness, meeting the expectations of the Bitcoin community here.

As some other members have mentioned, your homework appears to involve improving your username on this forum to prevent misunderstandings and misuse of a domain for a website. Considering that this is a business related to digital assets, your reputation is certainly at stake here.
The distinction between .cc and .cx needs to be clarified as soon as possible to avoid potential issues in the future.

I accomplish that maybe because I consider that Monero have more privacy than Bitcoin, so there are my assumptions, everyone including the exchange does not who I am. but your explanation explains it all, thanks. So, If I still used Cex where I must KYC, whatever coin I deposit, they still know who I am.

Thanks, Even if the site is open or close source, I also don't understand how to check the code.

I tested this exchanger, I did not find any technical problems. Everything works very fast. The interface is also understandable, for me this is a big plus, since not all projects pay attention to this issue, and then they present intuitively incomprehensible sites. I really liked the low commissions, in my opinion, the lowest that I have seen. The only thing is that the rate is noticeably different from the rate on major exchanges, for example. But, I think, this is a price for anonymity and change speed.

Is there some issue with the host? Unable to connect to the site right now.

You would need some knowledge in programming languages to be able to interpret the code, but open source code is usually available in platforms like Github or Gitlabs. Most services that are open source share the link to their source codes within their websites.

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It works for me. Maybe it was a temporary downtime

Alternatively, you can also use their Tor mirror if you find that the clearnet is not connecting: http://hszyoqwrcp7cxlxnqmovp6vjvmnwj33g4wviuxqzq47emieaxjaperyd.onion/

Everything works fine on my end, but I would always suggest using onion link with Tor browser for better privacy, instead of clearnet.
Just make sure to use and bookmark eXch official onion link only.

I've used the service for small swapping to test it. It's convenient service I wouldn't hesitate swapping larger amount if I had it. You can downloaded a letter of guarantee. They've processed swaps fast with good rates. They won't ask for KYC so users don't have to worry about getting funds suspended.

I have also tested the service and really like their service. i have also bookmarked the site, in case i would be needing to swap the coins, i will prefer eXch.

However, there is one question in my mind after my recent bitcoin to XMR swap. I send the bitcoin to the eXch.cx address and it took a few blocks until my transaction was confirmed. (These days the mempool fees are quite high) and my order was executed.

In case, we send Bitcoin to them with less fee, how long the order will remain active and wait for the confirmations? Is there any limit to this or the order will remain active to receive confirmation of the transaction even if it takes few days?

They don't talk about any time limit for the order, which means you could wait for as long as your transactions gets the required confirmations. I bet the reason for the refund address is also for such situations where, by the time the order is confirmed, the coin you need in exchange is not available in the reserve.

Don't send BTC with a purging or low priority fee rate because it'll surely get stuck except the mempool drops. It is better if you pay a reasonable amount in fees so the transaction wouldn't stay unconfirmed for days, and it is easy to do by just checking the mempool before making your tx. Nevertheless i have gone through this thread and i don't think i've seen any time limit for orders, but only 1 confirmation is required to start the exchange, so you either pay an appropriate fee or bump the tx if it is stuck for too long.

What's the deal with exchanging to XMR? I see that currently there is 0 reserves so I assume this isn't possible at present if there are no third party liquidity providers?

I created an order to see what would happen and I get the following:


Obviously there's something not quite right with that calculation if the maximum I can send is 0, but the minimum is 0.00000055.

They have some limited reserves for a few crypto and XMR wallets just seem to fill up slowly. As you can see below the screenshot, the current XMR reserves are zero, however  the last 24 hour volume for XMR was only 310. Also i can see only 1.4 LTC in reserve at the moment. If many people will use this exchange, I think the wallets will get emptied a lot quicker.

You need to be online and refresh the site to see if the XMR wallet loads up and you can make an exchange.

https://i.ibb.co/kQZ3wrt/reserve.png

Yes if the reserve is empty you cannot receive XMR from eXch, you can only swap XMR for another coin, you're correct that there are no third party liquidity providers and eXch do not also refill the balance in the reserves themselves, the reserves only gets refilled when customers send those coins to them for swapping.
And it will also get refilled quicker because they are swapping one coin for another, and the coin they are swapping adds to the reserves.

That's a good question I didn't have to wait long so can't say. If it's fixed or dynamic fees they've got to have time limits. It doesn't make sense for swaps staying open forever. We don't know so OP should answer it.

So when I have set to exchange to 0.01 BTC to ETH, is there I have to send the amount of 0.01 BTC exactly?
What happens if I send it less or more for example I send 0.009 or 0.012? Will it be received according to what we sent?.

On the order set, I read that if I send 0.01 BTC I will receive 0.160154138151151 ETH (Network fee included). I think this exchange offered a very low fee and simpler transaction than the conventional exchange I tried. I think this is a big breakthrough in the future if they continue to maintain their service.

This works the way you'd expect it to work :) The Letter of Guarantee doesn't mention anything about an amount, and the transaction page shows this:

Icopress invited me to review eXch (https://exch.cx/) if I have time to review it. It's been a week now and I think I should.

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This is my review

I wanted to use exch service in the afternoon but the site was not working excellently. I wanted to exchange some coins, I inputted the amount and clicked on exchange. There was nothing but my browser keep on showing the process but no result. I tried again 30 minutes later and it was working perfectly, but I waited until nighttime because I was later busy in the afternoon. I tried it in the night, it was working perfectly. I have clicked on the exchange before many times and it was working perfectly. So that after was a coincidence.

Finally in the night, I exchange some coins and it worked excellently. Immediately I noticed that the coin has been confirmed onchain, it indicated on the exchange that the amount I sent to the address they displayed to pay to as been received. I used Dynamic rate which might be the reason for a little delay in the transaction. I think using flat rate would make the exchange faster. Immediately the exchange indicated that it has processed the transaction, I open my wallet and saw the coin.

As you are about to make payment, you can download a letter of guarantee that contain proof of the exchange order which contain the time you created the transaction to send coin to the address provided on the exchange, it also has the refund address. In general, it is a bitcoin signed message that consists of the information I mentioned.

After the exchange has received the coins that you sent, you can also download letter of guarantee which consist of proof of order and contain other information like the site (exch) which I used for the coin that I exchanged into another coin. It also contain the date of the order, the time, refund address, the amount they have received, the amount sent and their txids and the exchange rate used for the calculation. All these mentioned are also in a message which was signed with a legacy address private key (just the address shown, no private key shown, the address is also not funded). So it includes a bitcoin signature.

The address used to sign the message is a legacy address that ends with exch. I wonder the amount of computational power that would have been used to generate that uncompressed address.


Suggestions

What I will suggest is that the site should look more attracting, although it is very simple to use.

More coins should be supported. For now, it is supporting bitcoin, ether, litecoin, dash and three ERC20 tokens which are USDT, USDC and DAI.

Another suggestion is that if someone input the amount of coin he wants to exchange, the exchange should automatically display the person the amount of coins that the person will receive. I mean if the person input the amount of bitcoin he wants to send to receive moner as an example, the exchange should deduct the fee and automatically display the amount of monero the person will receive. Also the person can instead, input the amount of monero he wants to receive and the exchange will display the amount of bitcoin to send.

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/12/6nQnI.jpeg



Although, it is not automated, but it can be manually done. After you input the amount of bitcoin that you want to send, or the amount of monero that you want to receive and you click on calculate, the amount you will receive will be displayed:

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/12/6nMg5.jpeg



About refunded address

I intentionally did not include refunded address which I know it is for the purpose of error and inability to process an exchange successfully, the coin would be sent back to the owner. On the bitcoin signed message, the address I used to send the coin is the refund address. But I think because of privacy reason, users are allowed to provide a refund address which can be different from the address they use to send the coin. If no address is provided, the address you used to send the coin is the refund address. I think this is nice.


Supported bitcoin addresses
I tried other address type like multisig and pay-to-taproot addresses and all were accepted.


Do not try this, use the correct address
I edited the address to input different characters to make each addresses have exactly the same number of characters of their address types. Secondly, I later added more characters. Third, I removed some characters. The three brought up the same error:

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/12/6n6uz.jpeg

I think that is good, but people should not send to a wrong address. Wrong but valid bitcoin addresses would be successful and your money will be lost forever.

Hey @eXch.cc, according to what's said on your website. Your service is Cloudflare free. Definitely one of your biggest selling points for someone who is in search of some level of privacy when exchanging their coins.

But then you use Cloudflare DNS according to whois. Now I am not too informed about how websites work, maybe I may learn a thing or two here. Can't a Domain Name Server be used by Cloudflare to gain access to your website's traffic there by compromising client's privacy?

Well here is how i do it. I do enter the amount to calculate how many coins i will get, so i can get an idea of the exchange rate that i will get.

Now, before doing the actual exchange, I will clear all fields, and write only in the "To address" my address, keep the amount filed blank and click "Exchange". On the order process window, it will ask me to send any amount of the cryptocurrency to the given address.

"Cloudflare free" usually means that a website doesn't use Cloudflare's reverse-proxy service to prevent exposure of their users to MITM and UX issues, however this is not related to Cloudflare's NS service used by our domain name.

The main role of nameservers (NS) is to serve DNS records, which in our case is the "A" record that points users to the IP address of our web-server when they lookup our domain name. We use Cloudflare's nameservers because they are reliable and fast due to their company's considerable infrastructure available across the globe. They also provide a Tor-friendly API which we use to manage our DNS records.

The only possible attack vector in this case is DNS record hijacking. It means that Cloudflare will have to change our domain's "A" record from our IP address to another one with a working reverse-proxy in order to intercept all the network traffic of our users (MITM). This attack is very unlikely to happen because there is no point to do this in our case, since anyone on the Internet will be able to detect a such event and also because we will receive an alert from our security monitoring system about a DNS record change and will simply switch our NS to somewhere else. It is also worth to mention that a fingerprint of the website's TLS certificate will change during a such attack, since there is no way they can retrieve the private key of our TLS certificate to use it on their MITM reverse-proxy. There is a browser extension called CheckMyHTTPS (https://github.com/checkmyhttps/checkmyhttps) that is useful to detect HTTPS fingerprint changes, however not as reliable as the older Certificate Patrol (https://github.com/tg-x/certpatrol) which was storing each website's certificate fingerprints locally to detect and alert about fingerprint changes later.

Such attacks are very rare to happen, but when they happen, they're usually some LE operations with enough gathered intelligence to know what to intercept that mostly go for website's operators (i.e. admin credentials) and not their users. Our management interface is not available via clearnet at all nor located at our public Tor HS either, therefore a DNS hijacking attack on our domain name would not bring anything useful to LE.

The most famous LE operations with this technique involved that come up to my mind were mostly targeting botnets, where they intercepted operators credentials that usually represent superior value for investigations in order to obtain ultimate evidence. Nevertheless, this technique is not popular anymore compared to cooperating directly with datacenter operators and upstream network providers. I recommend searching through KrebsOnSecurity blog for the "takedown" keyword to find relevant articles and to learn more about LE methodologies and strategies.

Thanks, I just know that method, but there have limit maximum which can be sent like the picture below.

https://i.postimg.cc/NFT1sPZC/1.png

I am not sure if the problem is litecoin, where maybe the exchange only have a few on the storage.

The exchanger is very easy to use, which is good, low fees, fast exchange. A letter of guarantee is also a positive point, which can eliminate all controversial issues.

Among the shortcomings, I would probably note the small number of supported networks. It would not be superfluous to have TRC20, it seems to me that USDT TRC20 is used by a much larger number of users than ERC20, for those who make frequent exchanges will pay attention to fees.

Here is the answer you are looking for, from the representative

I was thinking if eXch would think to revamp this thread a bit.

For example, the way post #1 is written looks oldish... Maybe a new design for the main topic would look better and, maybe, it would catch also the attention of more users?

Besides, there is a quote in OP which I am not sure from where it is taken, as it does not appear on the website (or, at least, I did not see it).

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Other than that, I also noticed this post:


My suggestion is to contact theymos about this issue, as there are infinitesimal chances for him to see this post inside this thread. Best approach is to send him a PM and explain the situation, then kindly ask to change your name. It does not happen very often but I witnessed a few such changes within last years, so there is hope.

I am personally not a big fan of that new tendency of graphic design used in some threads where one must scroll through large images full of visual distraction to find useful information, so I prefer text-only threads mostly. However, it's true that our OP here can be improved and icopress already provided us with a reasonable thread design that we will eventually update to after some editing.

The quote in OP you are referring to was the OP itself before our service relaunch.


The PM was already sent to theymos.

I paid more attention to privacy than calculate the fee, because eXch already has low fee currencies such as monero and litecoin.
Like Monero, So far the fees offered between 0.1 - 0.05 USD. if it's that amount is quite expensive for your, there is Litecoin which might be set below than Monero.

About Affiliate program, how to divide it?. because when registering the exchange didn't ask bitcoin address to receive preofit.

@eXch.cc is it possible that some IP addresses are banned by eXch exchange or it could be something browser related?
Some people told me that they can't access eXch website with clearnet domain, and they receive message like this in Chrome browser:


It is all explained in Affiliation page.
You receive 30% profit, and you can enter your withdrawal address when you collect 0.001 BTC (or equivalent to 0.001 BTC in other currencies).
https://exch.cx/affiliation

It could be a number of factors including a browser related problem. Have them try a different browser using the same IP address to see if it works?
Maybe an extension causing this? They could disable the extensions or also run the browser in incognito mode to rule out the browser extension, as probably cause.

Another cause could be the ISP in their jurisdiction trying to block access to eXch.cx rather than the other way round.

Hi team, this is my review for eXch, I have been a signature campaign member from the beginning and wanted to share my opinion on your service.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/09/25/PSapI.png

The design of the website is very basic and to the point, I like it how there are less color usage which helps users to focus on the main point which is to exchange crypto automatically.
The best part is that you are providing an API with it and also no Cloudflare so if someone wants to build something on top of it directly, they can surely look into that without getting blocked by the network.

While debugging the website, I see you are getting this issue where when you select BTC for both options, it's shown No pair for this found. That is correct however user shouldn't be able to do this on the first hand and you can use client-side form validation to fix this issue, it will surely improve the Quality of life and experience of the users.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/09/25/PSdZd.png

Everything else is to the point and looks great, cheers!

If you are from Brazil/Portugal, I wrote a review in Portuguese here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5465288.0

Very happy with eXch speed and fees.. I'll use it again in the future.

We don't have a possibility to ban IP addresses because our system and servers don't process nor log them. It's explained very well in our ToS.

Errors like one you reported could happen for many reasons, but mostly they are temporary and some retries fix them. We will add more reverse-proxy bandwidth capacity soon and request fail rates should reduce.

Please try another browser to see if the issue persists.


This is not an issue and that error is a clear indication that the same coin direction is not available, therefore I am not sure how it affects users "quality of life" at all.
Avoiding selecting same coin direction can only be fixed by enabling JavaScript and monitoring user's selections. We don't plan to provide a JavaScript version of the site yet.

We are happy to announce Lightning support starting today.

eXch node ID is 02cd546a60230b5d5c603bf79ff344afaf071cd42438bdd7846a5de4595c1ef304 (1ML explorer link (https://1ml.com/node/02cd546a60230b5d5c603bf79ff344afaf071cd42438bdd7846a5de4595c1ef304))

Our system supports automatic channel opening that can be selected during order creation, therefore eXch can also provide inbound liquidity and be an alternative to submarine swaps and helpful for rebalancing schemes.

We welcome everyone to try the newly added network, report bugs and provide sugestions.

When I scan the deposit QR code with Phoenix Wallet, it shows: "Invalid data. Please try again. OKE". This wallet works fine with other LN services.

Review
Exch.cx is a very cool, simple and easy to use swap exchange, if the coins you want to swap is on their list of supported coins, i don't see a reason not to use it: They don't collect kyc, they don't aggregate utxo's for LTC and BTC, they don't cooperate with LE, they also don't log ip addresses, good for privacy and can even stand in as a mixer, etc. Take note anyway that you lose control of your coins during the swapping process, as it isn't a non custodial service, but that is the same risk majority of crypto users bear when they use centralized exchanges, mixers and other centralized services.

One thing that's great about eXch is its simplicity, it is newbie-friendly and even a crypto newbie would not have a problem using this service, i swapped my dash for Litecoin for the purpose of this review:
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/09/26/PQb7Z.jpeg
So you just input all the necessary info, and you can either click on 'calculate' to see the amount you will be receiving based on the current exchange rates of the coins you want to swap and the service fee (1% for flat rate and 0.5 for dynamic rate), or you can just directly start exchanging without calculating and you'll see the rates on your receipt. Take note that refund address is optional, but if there is any need for a refund it will be sent back to your sending address, so for better privacy, add a refund address. Before swapping it is good to check what eXch has in their reserves, and if they have enough of the coins you want.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/09/26/PGX71.jpeg
Once you click 'exchange', your order is created with the unique address you should send your coins to, once sent and received by eXch, you will get the coins you swapped to immediately. It is fast and easy, downloading your signed letter of guarantee is also important as it contains all the details of the swap and can be used as proof in cases of disputes. It is to eXch's advantage that they have kept their site very simple, it is very difficult to make a mistake and easy to get your swap done in minutes. Cheers guys!

I think it could have more to do with phoenix wallet rather than the generated deposit QR code you are trying to scan
Last year, there was a similar issue  (https://github.com/ACINQ/phoenix/issues/323)with Phoenix wallet, which was fixed when they added support for the LNURL fallback scheme

I understand, but what happens if someone is trying to ddos attack your website? Do you block them or not?
It is possible this guy I know was using some vpn and this could be the reason he couldn't access eXch website.

Good move, this will be very useful, especially when btc transaction fees on mainnet go crazy, and I think LN can also be better for privacy.

I just tried to exchange BTC to BTC LN and successfully created an order.
I used my wallet of Satoshi to receive BTC LN with Zero-amount invoices.

*just note if we need eXch node ID just to exchange BTC LN to BTC (or another coin).
We don't need that to receive BTC LN (just invoice with 0 amount)

Our DDoS mitigation techniques don't involve IP blocking at all, since we operate a Tor HS and relying on IP blocking to stop attacks there is not possible. We use same techniques to protect our clearnet infrastructure, also because DDoS attacks we get come from Tor exit IP ranges and we don't block Tor IPs just to stop these attacks, unlike many other services do.

I can't go in details publicly on what we do exactly because we get DDoS attacks almost everyday by someone who reads this thread and they could use this information to bypass our protection. I say this with a full confidence because we had a very powerful DDoS targeting our systems some minutes after posting the Lightning Network announcement.

Please open a ticket or write an email at support@exch[at]cx to resolve reachability issues. We won't leave anyone without a proper resolution.

Rest assured that someone using VPN is not a reason for their reachability issues with us.


This was our QR imager truncating large strings which was the case for LN invoices, which got a fix already. Thank you for reporting this.


It's great you have highlighted most important points of our service that are often forgotten in reviews. In fact, we are a unique service that has its own liquidity and is Tor-friendly, doesn't cooperate with LE and has a zero logs policy. All our closest competitors (these who actually own their liquidity and are not resellers) attack Bitcoin's fungibility by using third-party coin scoring services and carelessly feeding LE on illicit^[1] data disclosure requests.

^[1] I use the term 'illicit' because when LE send data disclosure requests to exchanges, they almost never rely on court decisions and instead make direct pressure forgetting that governments they work for forgot to denominate crypto as a financial instrument and provide proper legislation, which makes all these requests illicit.

You don't need to connect to eXch's node to send them a LN payment. That's the "Network" part of "Lightning Network".

I can confirm it now works as expected.

Interesting.
If this technique you use is so good maybe we could use something similar for bitcointalk forum, if that can handle forum traffic and provide protection against ddos attacks.
I know several people have been looking for good cloudflare alternative, and I think that even theymos is not trilled with using cloudflare.

I will let him know, this is probably something on his end.
Thanks for quick reply and clear explanation.

Then I am very sorry, I unfortunately overlooked this answer, I have in any case once in the German area created an announcement thread including instructions for the eXch Exchange for a quick exchange of coins/tokens.

I will also post the instructions here in the original announcement thread in English, but unfortunately I won't have time to do that today.

German Thread and instruction for eXch (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5468295)

Hi fellows this is my review for the exchange, I will try to keep it more natural while discussing. So the Review is subdivided into the sections as follows;

UI Experience:

On the eXch what I found more interesting is the color scheme as it is very clean & appealing, a very simple and upfront design any beginner can easily interact with. Due to the clean UI, there was no buggy experience everything floats like water. A really great experience in the performance compared to the other DEXs on different networks.

A very decent representation of the Reserves and Volume on the same end, A node status bar on the header is a really good reminder for the system operations which makes it easy to analyze whether all of the nodes are running or not while executing the transaction. Most importantly providing the API, customizer can enjoy it.



Transaction Experience:

Taking into count before any wordic I had tried a routine transaction, For beginners to trades it is really simple to enter the amount and generate the exchange rate, and as per the platform announcement, the exchange rates are up-to-date from the Binance, and Kucoin market rates. Two modes, flat and dynamic you can choose accordingly. The refund addresses are optional and can be changed later on.

you can even execute the trade without fetching the market rates, the market rates will automatically get updated on the payment pages. Send payment to the generated address and the amount sent also gets adjusted with the exchange rates on the payment page. That's it the whole process takes a couple of seconds to execute and for the rest, it depends on the network traffic and the transaction fee mode chosen by the user.

Here is an SS for the transaction performed in a very recent time, the receiving amount is in progress due to the network confirmations. For rest, everything is Best. But I think there are just a few pairs available, there is need of more assets trade availability.



I had chosen the Slow-speed transaction I would recommend choosing the Fast one as it's going to be almost 40 minutes the transaction is still pending as there is no network confirmation yet.

Support Feedback:

eXch provides a ticket-based support system on its platform and for the alternative there is the Bitcointalk Forum profile and bits.media forum profile. A couple of Local languages are supported as well. Just for testing purposes, I did contact the support using the ticket system to test the average time in response and until now there's no response is going to be an hour and now I lost the page haha so need to generate a new one but I according to the team there will be response within 30 min and on the basis of availability of the agent. So it is better to use the official mail or forum PM for any emergency.


The overall experience with the exchange is really great. The UI is very clean and easy to use, and I haven't encountered any bugs except for the BTC/BTC pair issue that was reported earlier. I especially appreciate the API, which is highly recommended for cross-network trading. There is no third-party liquidity provider, but this is not a major concern as all of the reserves are directly owned by the platform. The reserves can be checked just below the transaction history.

Suggestions

I would really appreciate it if there was a wider range of networks to trade with. I also liked the clean UI and Cloudflare-free service, as well as the fact that there is no need to connect a wallet as with other DEXs.

Overall, I would highly recommend this exchange for its clean UI and Cloudflare-free service.

The ToS give the estimated time for the support :


a 12 hours max delay is honest, it is 100x times faster than Coinbase   ;D



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I'll be happy to see USDT available via Polygon. More and more of my contacts are using this network and I'd be happy to be able to exchange USDT polygon-XMR

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OP,  your donation to the Tor Project  (https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb8a54c3468328af8782ab7bb313c376d4a89e5a54c2f74db451250f2fdeed461) is awesome!

I tested out eXch.cx... Here's my walktrough:

Calculating the exchange rate:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/09/29/PsZob.png

Creating an order:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/09/29/Psnxv.png

Letter of Guarantee:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/09/29/PsQPH.png

After  confirmation:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/09/29/PsGjg.png

My Wallet:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/09/29/PsMOI.png

So far, i can say that the whole experience was painless... The exchange rate was good for a no-KYC swap site... Everything went fast and smooth :)

Hi, I would like to share my experience when using eXch.cx.

About the Interface

At first glance, I like the overall color scheme and the simplistic design, nothing fancy, on point. But if I can change something I would change the top bar (which is now white) to something darker/grayish, to make it less contrast, but that's just preference. As a new user, the first thing I did was reading the F.A.Q, and after I finished reading the F.AQ intuitively when I try to get back to the home page, I click the eXch Logo on the top left, and it did nothing.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/09/29/PvYYI.png

Again, this is my personal experience, so I don't mean to say that everyone would have the same experience and preference, but personally I would suggest that the logo click could lead to the homepage. I understand that there is the 'Exchange' button that lead to a homepage, but make both work the same would not be a problem.

Other not very significant thing is that I wish the font size for the amount and address is bigger, the current size is ok, but bigger would be better.

At the bottom of the page, last section before the footer, there is numbers and currencies, I am not sure what that is, but if I would guess, it might the latest transaction processed, but I am not sure what is that, so my suggestion is to give tittle or just small text at the top of it what is that actually.


https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/09/29/PvJw5.png

That's all for the Interface.

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About the Transaction Experience

So, I am about to swap Litecoin to Bitcoin, I initially want to use Lightning Network then there is a tick box 'Open a Channel', I checked it.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/09/29/Pvj52.png

Then after I click exchange, there is a warning, about additional fees of 0.00001, I didn't know about it beforehand.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/09/30/Pv4QG.png

I think there are some people like me, that doesn't know requesting a node channel would require additional cost, I think it will be better if this was written on the checkbox explanation.

After I read that warning, I was trying to cancel the transaction, but I don't know how and I can't find any instruction on doing it. I worries in the possibility that if I just open a new transaction with the same address without checking the open node channel, it will still be considered as the previous transaction in which I requested node channel and I will be charged with additional fee.

I think there will be other possible scenario in which your customer mistakenly input the wrong refund address, or the transaction amount. If there is any way to cancel the transaction then I guess it's not easily found so I cant find it. If there is noway to immediately/intentionally cancel the transaction request, then I guess you could explain how long is the timespan before a transaction request is expired so users can request different transaction with the same address.

After that I choose to use different address that is not a lightning network, so just Bitcoin network, I choose the Medium confirmation time with 0.00008486 BTC fee, and it's fast enough for me, without any problem whatsoever.

So for the transaction is overall well, it's fast enough for almost for everyone I think. Not instantaneous like when swapping on other exchange, on other exchange we still need to wait for withdrawal confirmation by the exchange and then network confirmation which could be much longer, and the risk of those exchange holding our funds for whatever reason. Not to mention that eXch doesn't required any document. For me, and I think many people that don't do daily trading and speculating on crypto, the limited cryptocurrency supported is not a problem.

The final verdict for me, I would use this exchange again, and will recommend this to others.

There is a way to know about that fee before creating an order by clicking on 'Calculate' first:

https://oshi.at/udSR.png

Anyway, not sure why you assumed that channel opening might be free of cost, since it's an on-chain operation.

We did perform a market analysis before deploying this feature and there are abolutely no services that would open a channel to you automatically at no costs.

The price we have defined is far less than service's used in Electrum for submarine swaps, therefore we have the most accessible price as for today.


To cancel an order just abandon its page and it will be cancelled automatically.

Each order is completely isolated from another. In your case, creating another order with the same invoice but without a channel request would be safe, because our system process all orders separately and doesn't share any information between orders even when an address exists in multiple orders.

Yeah, this is actually my first time using exchange like eXch, that has channel opening feature, I usually just use the generic (non-automated) centralized exchanges, so it's purely my lack of knowledge that make me assume it's without cost. And I know about the 'Calculate' feature, but I thought the additional fee for opening node channel is not included in that calculation. Thanks for clarifying.

I just wrote the ann translation into my local board: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5468375.0
I would be pleased if there were members from Indonesians who want to discuss eXch exchange there.

Yes, that exactly though. This is one of the advantages we should use eXch exchange.
Many people have doubts about connecting wallets to DEX because of incidents their wallets being hacked after being connected.

We don't need anything here, we don't need to register, login, and connect our wallet. This is a perfect breakthrough from the exchange which doesn't exist yet besides eXch.

So, since I needed some LTC and had to test eXch, this was a perfect opportunity to give it a go. First time with smaller amount though just to see how things work.

Process is pretty simple and straightforward, as I entered the currency I want to exchange (BTC), the amount I want to change and currency I need (LTC).  I clicked on "calculate" to see the amount I was supposed to get and since everything looked ok, I proceeded with the exchange.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/10/04/P8iRP.png

I sent the bitcoin to designated BTC address (since I wasn't in a hurry I used low fee), 5-6 minutes later BTC arrived to eXch address and few minutes more passed before LTC appeared in my wallet. Easy peasy.

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Overall it was a straighforward and fast experience (tbh faster than I thought it will be) and I don't think that even total newbs could have any issues with the procedure  (at least I couldn't see them). One thing I would like to see is support for more popular alts like for example BNB which is popular and often used on the market.

Anyway, I will definitely use it again!

@Rikafip: if you want to hide the addresses, you should hide the ORDER number too. Or click "Remove data". And the exact amount makes it easy to find too.

Cheers, updated. But tbh, I wasn't really trying too hard to hide it either so no real harm done.

mocacinno did an even simpler thing  :D
he blurred the addresses and amounts, while the order link in the browser was very clearly visible. [post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577207.msg62918160#msg62918160)] You don't even have to search, just enter the link

I am really of the opinion that perhaps we are burdening ourselves too much with hiding transactions, especially when they are this small and for the purpose of testing.

true... I blurred out some data out of habit... But then i noticed i left the QR code intact, and i didn't blur out the order number in the url... But then again, i was exchanging some spare change that could easily be tracked down to me anyways, an exchange isn't a mixer... I didn't bother to re-upload the images completely unblurred nor did i bother to blur some extra data (and re-upload).

In this post we will cover a popular scam tendency that is practiced by many instant exchanges called "shotgun KYC" or "ToS-scam".

ToS-scam is when an exchange lures an unsuspecting user to perform accountless exchange where a user isn't notified or warned about exchange's AML/KYC policies in a clear way (similar to fine print (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine_print) frauds), where a high risk-score would lead into a permanent loss of user's funds in case a user fails to provide extensive KYC and SoF (source of funds) information.

We consider this hostile practice a direct attack to cryptocurrency fungibility in general and warn all users against using such services.

Here is a clear example of an innocent user who lost their legally earned funds to an instant exchange that is known for practicing shotgun KYC with absolutely inhumane and tyrannical behaviour:

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[oshi.at mirror] (https://oshi.at/NaXr/fixedfloat_yet_another_scam.png) [talkimg mirror] (https://talkimg.com/images/2023/10/06/RU6MZ.png)

(Source: Bestchange, an exchange monitoring service that turned AML/KYC ToS-scams popular by encouraging exchanges to such practices and defending them)

Don't become a victim of such services! Always verify terms of service of an instant exchange prior to sending them any funds. If someone tries to sell you the idea of this being "normal", know that you are being fooled and misinformed on purpose. These people either don't understand cryptocurrency ethics and principles or it's very likely that they are paid to spread misinformation.

Moreover, a cryptocurrency-only exchange is not required by any means to comply with AML and FATF regulations. There is also a very misleading propaganda that all exchanges must comply, however, it's only true for cryptocurrency-fiat exchanges.

It is important to do that, and i just checked the terms of service of the instant exchange in your post above and it is really voluminous (and may scare people from reading it), though i personally think is uneccessarily bulky for a crypto-only swap exchange. Anyway it is written in their TOS that they do cooperate with LE and can confiscate people's funds, so it is more like: we don't ask for kyc, but we can lock your funds and ask for it at anytime, if you want privacy, you should stay away from services like this.

Thank you, it's very interesting.

In my opinion would have merited a dedicated topic.

This strategy is becoming more and more common, and few people talk about it accurately. For example, even the Antpool mining pool has just started to impose KYC on their users...  ::)

Service update announcement

We now operate with two BTC pools - mixed and aggregated.

Mixed pool was the only pool we had before and serves as a mixing technique itself to preserve privacy. It consists of providing non-reusable addresses for deposits then forwarding them to other orders.

Aggregated pool will help to avoid suspension risks for users who interact with major centralized exchanges and services. We guarantee risk-fee coins coming from it. However, we always recommend Bisq (https://bisq.network) to major exchanges.

Users are able to select which pool to use during order creation. For more information please read our Q&A section at https://exch.cx/faq#aggregation and one of our previous replies https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577207.msg62692711#msg62692711 in this thread.

I don't know what to think about this because I don't like to see bitcoin being divided and there is always a chance of getting different prices, higher aggregates and lower mixed.
After doing some testing I didn't see any difference in price on exch, but I was wondering if this could happen or not?

You can guarantee as much as you like, but centralized exchanges can still confiscate coins whenever they want  ;)

Nobody likes, however the reality is that most mixers advertised on this forum do that and most users seem to be fine with the concept of separate pools (i.e. mixers that send you coins from exchanges and proclaim them as "clean"). eXch is an exchange and it's mandatory for us to have a static Bitcoin address, however, in fact nothing changed for those who prefer our original operation mode., since the "mixed" pool remain there.

There won't be any cost impact at all.


You've misread the whole statement. There is no part in the whole paragraph where we guarantee someone won't be able to confiscate your coins. We only guarantee a good risk-score in *our* aggregated pool.

Good to hear that.
btw are you using other third party exchanges for aggregated pool?

I know you can't guarantee what happens on some other website aka exchange  ;)
Let me clarify what I wanted to say with one real life example I heard from our local board recently.
Guy was doing some trading and he was using centralized exchange for this purpose, he accepted coin from other guy on his exchange account and everything was fine in 2021, other guy received fiat money in this trade.
Centralized exchange was used in this case to avoid getting coins that are connected with some hacks, scams, etc, and nothing was wrong in 2021.
One year later in 2022 he gets a letter from authorities that those coins are coming from scam, and in 2023 (two years later) police confiscate totally different coins from this guy.
They make the rules so they can do whatever they want  :P

No, we have developed our own algorithm for that.



An unfortunate story that could happen to anyone independently of a coin source, since it directly depends on education and competence of the law enforcement circle performing investigation. However it has little or no relevance compared to benefits that our aggregated pool provides. I will still repeat - we guarantee risk-free coins in the aggregated pool (including considering risks mentioned in your story). Anyone with access to appropriate risk score screening platforms can verify our address and see what sources our pool contains and that our guarantee is not just words. Feel free to ask more information via private communication channels where we can provide more details.

Hey eXch, I just noticed the new shape of your OP and it looks very nice!

Other than that, I also noticed that you added two translations to OP. I have two mentions here: (1) would you like to have your topic translated in more foreign languages?; (2) the Portuguese translation is made for the old format of OP, thus sabotag3x (the author of the translation) should update it.

It's a review/discussion thread, not a translation.. but thanks for the mention, I'll translate the OP and add it on top of the review.. it will look better.

Had the same thing happen to me. It's vile.

I was pretty surprised that eXch exchange provide communication with the clients in Ukrainian language. For me as Ukrainian it is a big advantage, since the mother tongue is always preferable especially while discussing some specifics like a crypto exchange services. Moreover, Ukrainian language is not so widespread, that is why I can conclude that the team make an accent on the Ukrainian audience as well.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/10/23/TPviP.png

Maybe better to OP to display another language Ann translated link to the main page, so if a local member (who doesn't really understand English), which have a problem or ask some question, they can ask it on the local language Ann thread. This is just my suggestion because I found some members display the link to ann local thread on his post here.

1. Bahasa Indonesia (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5468375.0)
2. Português (Portuguese) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5465288.0)
3. Deutsch (German) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5468295)

maybe in the future, we will meet more another translation link here with various languages, because some signature participants come from different mother languages.

Thanks, I might do that.

Just curios, what tools exactly you are using to rate if coins coming from eXch have good or bad score?
I really don't trust AML bots and similar tools, and I suspect they could use any address that users type for check could potentially be flagged as suspicious in future.
If not flagged, address check records will certainly be saved somewhere with an IP address.

Will be glad to chat about it off-the-record.


I have noticed that very often people in this community confuse the trading mark "AMLBot" with the term that defines AML/risk score screening platforms in general. I think it needs to be clarified, since today I have read at least 3 posts discussing AML screening mechanisms and people define them as "AML bots", most likely due to a confusion caused by the AMLBot trademark.

1. What are AML/risk screening platforms?

First of all, AML and risk screening platforms are not bots by their nature. They are databases that contain data gathered from continuous blockchain analysis performed by human-made categorization/reporting enhanced with AI/ML in order to automate funds flow tracking. An AML/risk score address check is a query to a such database via some application layer interface provided by the database operator.

2. What is "AMLBot"?

"AMLBot" is an extremely unreliable risk screening platform operated by a russian team under a company name "SAFELEMENT LIMITED" registered in Hong Kong. Their initial investors and founders come from a high-profile cybercrime background with roots in post-Soviet states who wanted to launder their crypto, therefore they have invested in a such platform that would launder money for them, which was a strategically good decision from a long-term perspective.

AMLBot was initially partnering with the current industry leader Elliptic to source their data and their reputation was good for the excellent data quality and simplified access, till Elliptic has decided to boot AMLBot for contractual violations and potentional money laundering facilitation, since AMLBot has started to provide a Telegram bot permitting the platform access anonymously (given that a Telegram account can be registered using disposable numbers provided by services such as "SMS-Activate" and then be used along with a Tor instance to obfuscate IP).
Once AMLBot have lost their possibility to resell Elliptic, their data quality has drastically reduced and their databases that they have built for themselves during the partnership with Elliptic stopped to be up-to-date because an absence of a reliable source.
Currently, their customers might spend 5 credits for an extended address check that shows all the coin sources and receive nothing as a result ("Unnamed entities"), while checking the same address using any other AML screening platform will provide proper categorization and results.

Since most big market players were aware of that incident, AMLBot was able to somehow survive only because of Bestchange, their close partner, doing most of promotion for them, since Bestchange actively push instant exchangers that wish to be listed to become AMLBot customers (basically insisting) and it seems Bestchange doesn't even consider results from other (and more reputable) AML/risk screening providers when there are disputes between exchangers and their customers within the AML/risk scope, which is a misleading practice on purpose.
Taking a look at AMLBot's customers shows that a considerable part of them are Bestchange long-term resident services, as laterly everybody who is old enough in the industry knows that AMLBot can't be taken seriously.

AMLBot is also known for doing gypsy tricks such as reducing score for some addresses if they were checked on their Telegram bot, therefore, if someone tells you that AML platforms do it, they mostly refer to AMLBot, since this is a nonsensical technique and isn't practiced by more reputable AML/risk screening providers whose customers are world-class LE agencies who need more precise results.

AMLBot is mostly popular within russian-speaking communities, since their close affiliation with Bestchange and providing a Telegram bot and the platform in russian. They were also a first platform to provide access to non-corporate individuals.

3. What are alternatives to AMLBot available to private individuals?

Today, there are many existing alternatives to AMLBot available to private individuals, since the ask for such platforms has increased with appearance of private individuals wanting to perform on-chain investigations.

Here is a list of such:

GetBlock https://getblock.net/en/
MistTrack (by SlowMist) https://misttrack.io
MetaSleuth https://metasleuth.io
Arkham https://platform.arkhamintelligence.com
TRM Labs https://www.trmlabs.com

Thanks to these, today we have many "on-chain sleuths" very popular at the crypto soymilk drinking twitter (see @zachxbt and @tayvano_ who are mad hack/exploit victims that turned into individual crypto detectives providing interesting insights from time to time).

Unfortunately, there is no way to use these platforms without associating your IP with address check results, however if you intend to check your own addresses there, I recommend checking third-party addresses as well to create entropy so there is no way to tell whose are belong to you.
Fortunately, there are residential IP proxy services that can be used in a combination with Tor to obfuscate your original IP address. Good residential proxies are not flagged by IP score screening systems...

Finally, there is another free and absolutely anonymous way to have your BTC checked for a risk score, however without getting categorization and risk score details - Wasabi Wallet's default coordinator (or shall we call it "official"?...). They use the AML/risk screening provider called Coinfirm to check submitted UTXOs for the risk score. UTXOs with a high risk score (that usually contain sources such as hacking/exploit/fraud/scam/etc) are rejected from the mixing round and get banned for 1 month from being submitted. If your BTC is what's considered "clean", it won't be rejected and you can withdraw it from a mixing round right before a start. This is a good way to ensure you have minimally "clean" BTC if you don't want to pay for checks or bother with registering on some platforms. This technique only works for checking your own funds. There is even a way to automate it, since they have an API.

I never used this AMBLBot (or any similar services) to check my Bitcoin addresses, and I didn't know AMLBot history up until now, but there was always something fishy about them.
It's sad that many people still use them to check addresses, maybe they are offering some basic free reports idk.

I would love to hear Bestchange side of the story, but I am still actively searching for good Bestchange alternative.
Maybe Orangefren (or someone else) will finally add best deals for cash to crypto trading offers and vice versa.

I will check them out.

There are options to hide ID addresses with Tor and VPN, but I am sure they keep all the records, especially if they are based in Five Eye countries.

You won't. First of all, because Bestchange we all knew and trusted 10-15 years ago isn't the same Bestchange today. After some certain events related to raids and arrests in the mid of the 2010 decade, Bestchange has given up their independency to FSB and it's now fully curated by law enforcement, hence new rules on their monitoring to only admit exchangers that gave up their identities via rigorous due diligence process and dedication to promote AMLBot. There are a lot of posts in the russian-speaking forum Bits Media made by Bestchange's account that already expose all that I talk about, so you certainly don't need to hear from them to find out all of this.

There were also attempts to dox our service by both Bestchange and AMLBot :-) I could even publish email conversations initiated by both of them but find it unnecessary to heat things up. There is a lot of far more important stuff to do for us instead of helping Bestchange digging their own grave.

Orangefren has all the potential to become a fully-featured Bestchange alternative, but I guess since most of instant exchangers are russians and ukrainians that operate in the scope of reselling Whitebit for crypto-crypto operations and targeting banking card on/offramping following the same AML/KYC terms and using the same site engine available for anyone to purchase, they are not really interested in the english-speaking segment. Most of them are copies of each other with a different branding. Very few listed on Bestchange operate with their own reserves and represent significance for this community.


Of course they do, they exist with a purpose to help LE and compete with each other to acquire as much as possible federal contracts. They are not here to help privacy-minded people.

However, is it possible for the english-speaking segment to be interested in those services instead? I mean, such exchangers still offer many features which are no longer available in the field where english-speaking segment operate the most. That is why they can refer to services, which have no such strict regulations, for now at least.

Just want to report that I got around to trying out exch.cx today and it worked exceptionally well.

Minus transaction/gas fees, the overall exchange had a fee of about 1%. The exchange itself was just about as 'instant' as it gets. The fact that no account is required is a definite plus.

Was surprised to see that this service has been around since 2014... coincidentally their forum account was registered on the same day as mine.

Will definitely be using exch.cx again in the future when quick swaps are required.

I agree with you, I wonder why this service isn't more popular around here: no KYC, no account required, nothing complicated. It's fast, cheap and reliable.
It's by far the most convenient exchange service I've used!

I hope OP will one day add USDT with the Polygon network, so I won't have to use less privacy-friendly services at all!  :)

I've found it helpful when I used it so I'd recommend it to ppl who are looking for a quick swap with a principled trusted name. I haven't used other services since my short (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577207.msg62820868#msg62820868) post but I'll use it when I need. If there's sustained assuredness from reviewers more ppl will use it.

It's a reliable service. When you know there's no KYC it's another bonus reason to test out using small swaps. If ppl like the service they'll become regular users when they need swaps.

eXch simply adds normality in crypto space and help people use Bitcoin the way it was meant by Satoshi: in privacy and anonymously. We need more such services, in order for people to become aware of their existence and, slowly, leave behind centralized exchanges.

There is no need to give away your personal information while using crypto, since (1) it was not meant for that and (2) you can do what you need in full anonymity.

However, the fact that OP became more active on the forum, the fact that this exchange operates for many years already, the good reviews received from forum users -- all these will help eXch earn more popularity, earn more users and these users will also spread the word to others and so on. Things are moving and, after many years, they are moving on a good path. There is still hope that more and more users will start preserving their privacy and will take full control over their money.

Yes, no kyc, they also don't log ip addresses, no cooperation with LE, newbie-friendly and eXch also has its own liquidity, like i said in my review on this service some weeks ago: if the coins you want to swap is supported by this instant exchange, there is no reason why you should not use them. I hope eXch grows faster and gets to the knowledge of bitcoiners who want to preserve their privacy, because this is one of the tools or services they should use frequently for that purpose.

Sorry for the late reply, but I did not see your post until now. My bad.


I don't know if composing new threads in foreign languages is an easy thing o do. However, having the topic translated (as it is) in other languages and posted in various local boards can lead to discussions about the service. If you want, I can help you with the Romanian translation and talk also with a few other translators to see if they would like to translate OP in their language. Sounds good?

I want so see more kyc free exchanges that work with fiat/cash.
We have only few options right now like Bisq exchange or Peach bitcoin, but they all have some limitations, so I can see some new services filling this gaps.

I wouldn't blindly trust anyone who is saying that IP addresses are not saved somewhere, so I suggest that you always use Tor browser and official eXch exchange onion link.
This improves overall privacy and it makes it much harder for anyone to track what you are doing online.

Because they are new to trying marketing here using a signature campaign, I believe if they do it at the same time as launching the website, they will get more new customers as same as today. But, I think It was also difficult at that time (2014) because massive centralization exchange just expanded. Their challenges will be much greater than today because the people just know if want to exchange cryptocurrency using the traditional exchange (centralization) only.

The decentralization exchange today is very appropriate because many people have been disappointed using centralization exchange because the account frozen, the money was taken away by the owner, and KYC data leak.

The eXch has priority for privacy, the User addresses cannot be tracked easily, this fits perfectly at the moment because that's what the user wants.

They may not look so popular here on this forum but apparently outside this forum they indeed are, judging by their volume:

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It seems some people in this space remember their service and still trust it, so do I, because I personally remember using this service when they were providing instant Perfect Money to BTC exchanges somewhere back in 2015 and that their Perfect Money trust score was extremely high (something that would require enormous amount of complete deals). Maybe I will find some screenshots on my old drive and post here.

I also doubt they were caring about making tons of promotions when relaunching here since it appears they were confident that this kind of service is rare and will have a lot of ask.

Congrats and welcome back to you, eXch.cc, since you have apparently made it. Hope the forum admins will help you to rename the account.

I have used eXch now for two times to switch BTC to XMR and vice versa. It worked flawlessly both times as expected.
Clear and easy to use interface-> fast -> no KYC -> and small fees.

I must admit that I have first read about eXch here on Bitcointalk forum. Otherwise I would have used the service earlier.

I believe that the forum is still the fastest and easiest way to find out about new or updated services. It is much more convenient to search here then just google it and wade through the multitude of results in search of what really interests you.

I think this is subjective because you are here and thousands of people have probably never even heard of this iconic place. I also do not agree that Bitcointalk is the best way to learn about something new... if I may, I would rephrase it in the spirit of “Bitcointalk is the best way to learn about some reliable and trusted service.” In the end, my opinion is also subjective.  ::)

Today we were COMMANDED to appear before the GRAND JURY, however, unfortunately all our customers data was lost in the boating accident during transportation of our servers over a river just right before the receipt of that subpoena. Reportedly.

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Our legal team is on its way to New York already! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5466272.msg62858665#msg62858665)

Eyewitness Photography  ;)

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Fortunately the operators survived  :-)

I don't know why the sensation is that the subpoena is not such a big deal but I am worried about eXch. What will you do? Are you going to face them on November 16th...? Or... are you going to be absent and see what happens...?

Besides, I see in that paper that it's stated that it should not be made public... What if they will find about the post from the forum?

Other than that, eXch please don't forget about my previous post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577207.msg63090548#msg63090548), in case you missed it.

Is it a big deal for mixers who certainly received many of them already but without a public disclosure? You know the answer, therefore the same applies here. I have purposely linked this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5466272.msg62858665#msg62858665 in the subpoena post to demonstrate that it's an ordinary situation for us to handle, however, I will quote the relevant part from that post here:


Note that it's not the first subpoena we have received and published, nor it it will be the last, since we know how to handle such situations. You shouldn't worry about eXch, but should worry about mixers instead.
Note also that Twitter discloses subpoenas to their affected users independently whether there is a gag order or not, because it's their company policy:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/11/03/tnv2m.png

[Twitter link] (https://twitter.com/zachxbt/status/1715761012673065444#m) [Nitter link] (https://nitter.cz/zachxbt/status/1715761012673065444#m)

Our policy is to do the same, except producing information related to exchanges since we don't have it nor obligated to have it, because we do not operate with any financial instrument according to the current legal definitions of cryptocurrency.


I am fine with all kind of translations in case there is some interest in doing so. This is a community after all.

Very nice volume, and it's not such a bad thing to be under the radar for some people ;)
I didn't hear about eXch from bitcointalk forum, someone recommended it to me and I saw ratings on kycnot.me website.
So far I didn't have a single complain after using eXch for a while, and that is not something I can say for other exchanges I used in past.

Sorry to hear about terrible boating accident  :(
It's going to be interesting to see what happens after November 16...

It cannot be an easy situation when any individual/organisation (including yourself) receive a Court document demanding various things. Any form of Court summons cannot be taken lightly but from what you have written it seems you have prepared plans. Basically, if you do not have any data on hand because it gets deleted upon user request (or automatically deleted after 15 days), it means there is not much data you have on hand to give to those demanding it.

As you are not obliged to retain information, it seems to be another plus point to use the exchange alongside a no KYC policy.

Please find here the Romanian translation in the topic: eXch – schimbă instantaneu BTC / LN / XMR / LTC / ETH / ERC20 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5472737).

Other than that, I am looking forward to see what will happen on November 16th.

Have some of the previous processes already been concluded or are they still open?
If they were linked for similar charges, can we know the epilogue? Guilty, innocent, some specific penalty or what?

Sure, I cannot argue that there are thousands of people who have never even heard of this forum. Actually, nobody from my acquaintances in the "real world" knows about it, and when I tell them, they are quite surprised. But then again, only very few of them made some efforts to learn more after my introduction.

However, i can conclude from my observations by being here, that forum users tend to come here for new pieces of information. They discuss updated and releases here, that is why I believe, they perceive bitcointalk as the fastest way to find out something new. And of course they learn about some reliable and trusted services here as well.

eXch was not charged with anything up to this date. We got one subpoena from a court in Germany 3 months ago and another one from U.S. Secret Service delegated by a court 7 months ago. We weren't notified about any outcome. It indicates that the cases were either archived or are still being elaborated. In any case, these orders assume requesting data from us in a role of a service provider, not the heist originator, therefore it's doubtful they will come with any enforcement action addressed to our service at all since our service is not even USA/Germany based, nor we have any entities that could be exposed to extradition risks.

Apart from that, we had many other requests this year coming from different police departments around the world related to cybercrime investigations.

No data was disclosed from our end to any of these.

We are also working on creating a /transparency section at our website that should be live this month where we will publish each received LE request.

We are very proud to be able to fight for the cryptocurrency neutrality and provide resilient services aiming to countermeasure censorship.

Thanks for sharing this. Honestly, I am quite surprised that there is so much pressure and demand for data, and I am glad that there are still services that will take care of the privacy of their users.
Can you refer to GDPR compliance and care for the personal data of your users when not providing them in such cases?

What happened during previous Court orders? Did you present there? Did you come with a lawyer...? Did a lawyer go there in your name...? Care to share more details about what happened in the previous situations?
Similar, now... are you going to user a lawyer's services for this order?

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People like you are so rare... You are a rara avis, eXch!

I'm curious as to what's the motive behind adding RUNE? Are you planning to implement Thorchain for cross-chain trading for all pairs? or just RUNE ones? I also want to know, if you're going to use Thorchain directly, or simply use Thorswap?

I don't see this a big problem since I already recommend using of onion link anyway.

Maybe, unless you have some weak link and leaks from inside your team ;)
I hope nearly impossible is good enough, since we know you are facing powers with unlimited financial sources on the other side.

Answering all your questions would reveal some business details containing information that should remain off-the-record at least till the current subpoena is cleared. However, I would gladly answer your questions via private E2EE communication channels.


We consider Thorchain's native token (RUNE) a reliable coin since its network brings a lot of benefits to the cryptocurrency ecosystem.

Recently we have launched an experimental feature of ETH/BTC swaps via the Avalanche Bridge, since we had some requests from users who have volumetric ETH/BTC swap requirements that eXch couldn't satisfy and since the Avalanche's Bridge can only be used from a privacy-hostile app called 'Core', we have enabled this optional functionality for them to provide 'rails' that automate the whole process of swapping between native BTC and ETH via Avalanche Bridge. During the development of that feature, we have found out that the Avalanche Bridge is far from being decentralized and that their nodes responsible for bridging BTC and ETH are closed-source and are fully controlled by Ava Labs. We have found that Ava Labs have implemented AML screening (https://medium.com/@AvaLabsOfficial/updates-to-the-avalanche-bridge-dc0d33b1b475) in their BTC and ETH bridging mechanisms that are used to selectively stop certain coins from bridging in order to confiscate these funds (or traditionally speaking - to scam their users). We have also found that they have already confiscated 85 BTC from someone without returning it (https://forum.avax.network/t/why-i-use-core-bridge-has-been-sent-btc-but-i-didnt-received-my-btc-b/1157/3) and out of curiosity reached that victim and chatted with them about this, confirming that their 85 BTC are still being held by Ava Labs without any reason. After creating a disposable Discord account just for research purposes since such communities reside there, we have found that there are more victims who lost their funds to Ava Labs selective scamming. This made us wonder whether providing Avalanche Bridge on our service was a good decision and afterwards found out that their AML screening mechanisms do not affect amounts below 5 BTC, which we have implemented as a limit for these. However, later we have found that there is another network that provides native BTC/ETH swaps with considerable liquidity - Thorchain. After a rigorous research performed by us, we have concluded that it's truly decentralized and makes Avalanche Bridge obsolete, since Thorchain's native swap functionality makes part of the network consensus and its code is fully open-source. We have since decided to replace the Avalanche Bridge rails we provide with Thorchain which will be released this week. We have also found Thorchain useful to rebalance our own liquidity when needed without relying on unsafe and unreliable Web3 ecosystem and codebase that is constantly exposed to dependency supply chain attacks.

Please note that Thorswap doesn't make part of Thorchain at all and as it's just a privacy-hostile frontend for Thorchain, thus, eXch could be used as an alternative frontend to Thorswap (however, for now, limited only to the coins and tokens that we support).


Our opsec is much better than Bestmixer's, Chipmixer's or Whirlwind's altogether and we haven't made any mistakes in our opsec any close to such were made by them, apparently from the beginning of their existence, as some court data and other events revealed about some of them afterwards. eXch is run by people specializing in infosec since around 2000 that are also cypherpunk culture adepts that follow military-grade standards and guidance to protect their projects digitally and physically, therefore, it's very unlikely that our platform will be smashed due to rookie mistakes similar happened to the platforms I mentioned and some others I didn't. There is always a lot to learn from every privacy-oriented service shutdown (including darknet markets) and we are certainly not next.

Oh -- I understand. Perhaps after November 16th you can share some more details about how things took course at the Court? (Obviously, only if the situation will allow you to do it).

In that particular case it should become available publicly after conclusion, but if we have anything earlier from our lawyer we'll share it. At this time it's not even clear whether they addressed their request correctly, since our legal company name isn't specified in the request. They have addressed a court order to a string "exch.cx" which makes unclear whether it was addressed to a domain name, a website, a host or someone wearing a T-shirt with "exch.cx" written on it.

Isn't this an incorrect, even carelessly drafted statement, and therefore it is possible not to give an official answer at all and not to go to court on completely legal grounds? I mean, if they were interested in this, they should have made it clear, whom exactly the addressed to.

That's correct. We have already requested clarifications from them but no reply was provided to us. I must also mention that going to any court physically is out of question for us since our team is currently located on a desert island which was the closest habitable location after a boating accident and there are currently no transportation options available for getting to the mainland. Thanks satellite broadband and autonomous energy sources we will be able to remain here for some time. It's a nice place after all.

This is just one more example that bureaucracy is the same allover the world.


You are now like a modern Robinson Crusoe :)

That is also an amazing reason not to show up physically at any court, even if the terms were correct from the opposite side  :D

200 BTC throughput mark surpassed in our aggregation wallet pool just in ~1 month after its launch!

https://mempool.space/address/bc1qu2dq8w8lv8v3l7lr2c5tvx3yltv22r3nhkx7w0

Add another 300 BTC monthly throughput in our mixed wallet pool (that can't be tracked publicly) making it ~500 BTC throughput in last 30 days. And this is without counting other currencies!

That's great, well done!  :D

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https://etherscan.io/tx/0x21f0da3982926d693c915b30a8a138db48f469989bff3e9e6434916fa2d3783f

Well done also on your donation to Simplex, I discovered this service recently thanks to a fellow bitcointalker and I'm very pleased!

However, I'm really surprised to see that the team behind Simplex uses (https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/11/12/zAGWN.png) Binance's services  ;D ;D ;D

I understand and respect the need for privacy of someone OWN HARD EARNED MONEY, but when/if you know that scammers and cybercriminals use your service it would be better to report their trades back to the police requests.

Scammers and Criminals bring no good to our world.

In my humble opinion, the principle of a service focused on respecting the privacy and data of its users, is precisely that it doesn't arbitrarily choose to whom it offers privacy or not.

Obviously we all know scammers and criminals are no good, but if you call your service pro-privacy, then you cannot selectively offer privacy by hiring a blockchain analysis company to spy on people's utxo's and tell you if they should be allowed to swap their coins or not, eXch doesn't require kyc for a swap, you just swap your coins instantly after you make a deposit, they can't know how and where the coins came from, because they don't spy on you.

eXch also doesn't log ip addresses and if you don't believe that, then they are also tor-friendly, so you can use their onion link and connect to their service over tor to ensure your privacy, in that case, there is no way they can report back to LE when they are retrospectively required to provide info about a certain tx. Op, there are already enough centralized exchanges and services doing what you ask, you don't want all the remaining privacy tools and services to become honeypots for the government, do you?

No, this service is the best of all.

I am not saying that every trx should be monitored or logged, they can see if a crypto is coming from illegal source like hacked exchange assets or ponzi scheme address and if such crypto enter eXCH platform, least eXCH can do is refuse to process the trade and send the crypto to where it came from (-% fee). Or better to just donate the assets for a good cause.

I don't agree. Stealing money from thiefs is still stealing.

Any scammer/hacker will always find someone to exchange his altcoins or BTC into Monero ; or will always find a place to mix his coins if needed. This fight is lost in advance.

If, for example, scammers bother you, the only way to combat them is to educate users -as much as possible- so they can avoid to get scammed. Treating the consequences but not the roots is useless.

To know if a tx is from an illicit source, you have to be spying on all tx's. Imagine if every custodial privacy tool like mixers and no-kyc instant exchanges start confiscating funds and attacking BTC's fungibility in this way, people who care about their privacy would stay away from such services, and it does not mean they use stolen funds, but because there is a possibility that their funds can be confiscated for any reason.

As a privacy tool, you shouldn't be spying on people's utxo's or rejecting their funds for mixing, or swapping if it is an instant swap exchange, the moment you start doing that you are no longer a privacy tool, but more like a centralized exchange or similar services.

On the other hand, some people think that by targeting scammers where it hurts (their wallets), you could actually create a deterrent.  It's kind of like playing a Robin Hood game – stealing from the bad guys and hopefully preventing future scams. 

But you know, it's complicated and  finding the right balance between teaching people not to get scammed and directly taking money away from the scammers themselves – Id say we should try to do both if we can.

Just curious, how did you find out that eXch donated to SimpleX?


And how did you got to find that too? :)

iwantmy10000acrescourtyardpaidwithbtctoo, you are always surprising :)

At same time, I would like to recommend the services offered by SimpleX to any user looking for private instant communications.

Haha thank you but I have no merit!  ;D They share (https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/11/13/zGKBq.png) their donations regularly on their homepage (https://exch.cx/) in the top banner:

Same thing in last September, they shared a donation done to the Tor project

For funds sent to Binance, some explorers display the names of the hot wallets of the biggest CEXes and DEXes. In this case, Etherscan displays it

All customers are equal for us as well as their cryptocurrency, since there is no way to tell whether someone is criminal on the Internet in the same way there is no way to tell whether a random person you see on the street is a criminal or not. We won't ever participate in the attack on Bitcoin's fungibility lead by taint-proclaiming services like Bestchange and their chain analysis friends. Due to a pseudonymous nature of cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin, there is no certain way to determine a source of some UTXO. One single hop of some UTXO to another address can be a sign that the UTXO has participated in some private (P2P) trade on this forum or any other place on the Internet. Same like cash. Once you receive a cash from someone, it turns into your cash and its source do not represent any importance anymore. Unfortunately chain intelligence companies don't do their job properly which results into unreliable data and misinformation across cryptocurrency communities. eXch don't trust chain intelligence companies and won't ever rely on their data nor discriminate users.

We also don't agree with the general idea that it's exchanges fault if "dirty" money flows through them. We think the root problem is that users who lose their crypto for some reason don't treat their crypto as cash. Someone losing 27$M in cash (or in crypto (https://nitter.cz/zachxbt/status/1723757797316133240#m)) apparently made a mistake of not securing their funds enough - same applies to crypto. We live in a reality where thieves exist and many times LE won't be able to help recovering a loss, so why making an easy target from yourself if you care about your money?

There are many ways to get your crypto stolen:

you use Windows OS for a crypto wallet and frequently install random .exe's - you are an easy target for malware
you use Google Play for installing apps on your Android that manages your wallet - you are an easy target for malware
you use closed-source wallets - you are an easy target for your wallet developers
you use open-source wallets that rely on bad coding practices (e.g. Trust Wallet) - you are an easy target for all kind of attack surfaces due to developers not caring about their users enough
you use SMS for 2FA - you are an easy target for SIM swappers
you pre-approve USDT for airdrops - you are a potential target for Pink Drainer and others
you are a NodeJS (or similar language) developer and don't verify what you install from NPM - you are an easy target for dependency supply chain attacks
you use and believe hardware wallets are ultimate security solution but forget to check if your OS has a clipper malware - you are still an easy target
you brag about your crypto wealth to strangers - you are an easy target for a 5$ wrench attack
and so on and on... List of bad security practiced by at least 50% of crypto users don't stop here at all. I can also elaborate on literally *any* of the above with real-world examples - just point me out any subject.

Please just treat your crypto as cash and think twice about its security, then the obsession with AML/KYC for crypto should calm down a bit. Don't listen to the governments that tell you "crypto isn't a financial instrument" but at the same time are trying hard to eliminate it from their way. Crypto is a financial instrument and it should be taken seriously like any other financial instrument.

And to be honest - you ask too much from a small exchange like eXch. Why not ask the same from other major CEX if you seek justice so much?

https://nitter.cz/PeckShieldAlert/status/1723910079278395658#m


As you can see, even major exchanges don't care about "dirty" crypto, so demanding this kind of "justice" from services like ours is unfair.

Ironically, I learnt about eXCH from a reply on that tweet indicate that eXCH is been using to launder money (https://nitter.cz/fsvltt/status/1723786963247824975#m)

You're right, it's not fair to ask one exchange to police all crypto trxs.

But it seem like it wont help that much anyway since crime ppl wont risk to do direct trade.

Your detailed response is great, as usual. I just wanted to point out that Trust Wallet is no longer open source, but closed source, and they have been closed source for a long time now. Their Github repositories are archived, and they have not be updated in years:

[1] https://trustwallet.medium.com/why-open-sourcing-android-app-could-be-a-harm-to-the-crypto-community-fb3ae1707dc6
[2] https://github.com/trustwallet/trust-wallet-ios
[3] https://github.com/trustwallet/trust-wallet-android-source

Good to know. Last time I visited their official website it was mentioning they were *fully open-source* but this wording was removed from their site recently it seems, however I wasn't up-to-date on this since I don't personally use such wallets.

Them stopping being open-source adds even more weight to my previous words about bad coding practices in Trust Wallet. I've mentioned Trust Wallet in a negative context because we were recently called to assist some investigation of a user who *trusted* that wallet and got their funds drained in the way that even a notorious security firm who investigated their case wasn't able to tell how exactly the private key was leaked. We have pointed out that they shouldn've used that wallet in a first place because it has a bad track history of its security, exposing users to funds drain.

Here is some quote from our response sent to them in regards to Trust Wallet:


And of course the funds trace was lost right after it reached eXch.



This is surprising, indeed. Good to know.

Is there any chance for coins to get seized with AVAX bridge even if amount is lower than 5 BTC?
I did some testing and I see long text for order confirmation, and long waiting time.
No surprise that Avax is not really decentralized, same like most shitcoins and services related with them, with only few exceptions.

This means we can expect support for more coins when Thorchain is added?

I don't know if this is connected but I heard from our local board that someone from Binance was kidnapped and robbed for millions of USDT in Montenegro.
This incident was later confirmed by CZ, but we know that someone tried to sell this USDT for cash  8)

why does it lead to eXch exchange? because someone could make the same trick or bad campaign to lead that laundry to eXch.

eXch exchange is aims for good, it's same as another exchange to help people swap his crypto, but eXch made is better than other exchanges because eXch is more decentralization, and don't need to KYC (prioritize privacy), So if someone misuses it and abuses it (for money laundry) It's not the exchange's fault, it's the same as fiat which is often used for that too, and even more than that such thing.

I always wonder why these claims of laundering are so loud when it comes to crypto or decentralized no KYC services. To me, it is more of an excuse to demonize the freedom of privacy being promoted by platforms just as eXch.
Fiat currencies or banks are actually the biggest money laundering enablers we know.

Because it is important to keep those thing as they have been for a long time. It is convenient to continue using fiat currencies and banks for laundering money, but to do that they have to keep public`s attention away from it and refocus on something else. Cryptocurrency is an ideal candidate for this role, because there are already a lot of prejudice about their supposed scam and deceiving nature. So they only have to keep it that way.

Hey and thanks for an excellent service. I have used your website to exchange BTC to ETH a couple of times! :D May I ask a question tho? Do you think you will add Solana to your coin list at your website anytime soon?
(maybe this have already been said if so then I missed it sorry)

We performed a lot of testing sending our own high-risk coins in random amounts from 1 to 5 BTC multiple times and no funds were frozen. But this doesn't mean it won't change any soon. We are planning to remove Avalanche/ETH bridging bot once Thorchain/ETH bot and integration is fully deployed.



Possibly.




CZ's Tweet (https://nitter.cz/cz_binance/status/1723029611796152385) regarding the Montenegro incident is on 10th November. They talk about ~$12.5M in losses and USDT in the Tron network.

The 27$m incident seem to be happened  on 11th November and ocurred in the Ethereum network - https://etherscan.io/tx/0x0f2183c8e415e61b4ad7774bf1097019eb2d5b85798a2a229070495131d60321

It doesn't seem they are connected, even that the second incident happened to the Binance's customer too. Here is also a communication we received from the Binance Security Team regarding the stolen 27$M:


The Binance's customer who lost 27$M had these funds withdrawn from Binance 6 days prior to the heist. The only way these two events may be connected (27$M from hack and ~$12.5M from kidnapping) is in case CZ lied regarding the Tron network and the overall amount. CZ lying publicly is not something rare though.



It is possible that Solana and some more popular currencies will be added, but we will await till the end of some hype trends first, because currently it's hard to tell whether Solana's popularity increase is natural or made up, but of course Visa's adoption is a serious step for it (but let's see if they don't change their mind?). We are also awaiting for more audits in regards to their code and network decentralization.

Thanks for taking your time and replying to my question friend. As from now you are my to go Exchanger and if you add more tokens I would use you're website even more.  :D
You got 5 ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ from me! Thanks!!

Because the Fee of Bitcoin on the main network become high, this is the right time for people to use the Lightning Network for transaction. And, don't worry, on eXch exchange, we can exchange Bitcoin on LN network to another altcoin such as Ethereum, Monero, Dash, Litecoin, Dai, and USDT without exchanging it 1st to Bitcoin main network like ussual. this is one of the advantages eXch with I rarely found it on another exchange.

And, I was just surprised when I looked at the exchange because the Taproot address was already supported.

https://i.postimg.cc/sX1dvmGk/taproot.png

Good job!

Good to see you thinking of adding THORchain

I posted to some of THORchads so maybe you should see some increased volume from people.

https://x.com/sh1lverbox/status/1727443356039651665 (https://x.com/sh1lverbox/status/1727443356039651665)

https://i.ibb.co/hm2ZHVZ/Opera-Snapshot-2023-11-22-235814-twitter-com.png (https://ibb.co/hm2ZHVZ)

Good to know.

Strange how Binance and CZ ''lost'' all that money in very short amount of time, and now he needs to pay additional $4.3 billion after pleading guilty for money laundering.
That is to much coincidence if you ask me, and I don't trust anything he is saying, but it's clear to me that regulators are slowly shutting down all centralized exchanges, so we better get used to it.

And speaking of new coins/networks, are you thinking of one day adding the Polygon-MATIC network on eXch?
It could be a good addition, especially for USDT and DAI, the fees on ERC20 are just crazy.

I would rather see TRX and the Tron network in general, USDT (TRC20). It is quite fast and transaction fees are really low, also almost all services use it and have it implemented, I'm of the opinion that it could be useful.

Hey eXch, given the fact that it is almost end of the month, thus the date of November 16th passed for a while, I was wondering if you have a heads-up about what happened on that day?


Re-reading this made me laugh once again :) However, did they address this issue? Or everything is still in limbo?

We were planning to, but the recent gas spike events on Polygon (https://nitter.cz/PeckShieldAlert/status/1725437206075216316#m) made us reconsider adding it. What is the point of an Ethereum alternative if it's prone to high gas fees like Ethereum? Adding more Ethereum-alike chains for us add nothing but more risks. However, it's still possible to have it added soon or later.


We are generally skeptical in regards to any Justin Sun's projects, including Tron, but we will probably add USDT, USDC and ETH on Tron just for diversity.


In regards to what happened on that day - I woke up and had some delicious coffee early morning then the rest of that day was great. Besides that I don't remember anything important happening that day.

We weren't contacted by any officials concerning this case at all. We have also added some extra security layers to our backend server's networking topology just in case ([insert "behind seven proxies" meme here]) and also added a failover backend server, since the income we had from fees last month permitted us to expand our infrastructure significantly. Therefore, in any case, if you see our clearnet site suddenly defaced by FIODNederland (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3593363) or some other agency, then I assure that our onion will continue working and we will announce a new domain here the same day.

Lol! O0


This is good news, about improving the security layers and reassuring that your operations will continue even in the case of an unfortunate incident of having the clearnet website shut down. However, I highly doubt that FIODNederland (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3593363) (I mean this user of the forum) would ever be able to do that :)

Joke aside though, is there any particular reason for which you mentioned Dutch Investigation Service for Financial and Tax Crime (FIOD)? Does this agency represent any risk for you or similar companies? I am asking because the subpoena you presented (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577207.msg63095784#msg63095784) at beginning of the month was issued by the district attorney from New York, while FIOD operates in Netherlands. I mean, besides the joke about that clown named FIODNederland (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3593363), is there any connection between the authorities from New York and those from Netherlands?

I believe that in regards to the case you are talking about, everything that could've answered was answered already. There is little or no point to start a new round of questions that were answered previously.

The reason why I have mentioned that forum member yesterday's news related to a mixing service listed on this forum.

Also I have my own reasons to believe that account belongs to the actual agency, taking into consideration the same cybercrime investigation team behind that arrest not only works for FIOD, but also Dutch police which is known for communicating with end-users via various community channels, including spinning up dedicated .onion links for their operations. I am aware of every single operation that was performed by these two agencies and how exactly they performed, because all of that was publicly available during the past events and I witnessed everything myself.

For example:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/11/30/NIPV9.png

[original at tor.ink] (https://tor.link/upload/logo/national-police-of-the-netherlands.webp) [oshi.at mirror] (https://oshi.at/bzryS/national-police-of-the-netherlands.png)

When the event that this screenshot represents happened, similar accounts were registered across some darknet forums throwing similar messages what FIODNederland (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3593363) left on Bitcointalk yesterday. These agencies are known for their non-standard community communication practices.

There is a live version of that site still: http://tcecdnp2fhyxlcrjoyc2eimdjosr65hweut6y7r2u6b5y75yuvbkvfyd.onion which is an actual site that belongs to Team Cyber Enabled Crime and Dutch National Police with valid PGP signatures.

I also believe that FIOD's department responsible for yesterday's takedown consists of the same members who were/are working for politie.nl back in time, so it's all just different branding from the same entity, because the methodology involved is identical and they already have a circle of famous people working in this field. You can find many of them on Linkedin.

And by the way:


This indicates that they are quite open-minded, therefore it wouldn't surprise me at all if FIODNederland (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3593363) is legit. The only thing that actually disappoints me in that quote is Tor written erroneously. Guys, it's Tor, not TOR, ffs.

It looks like the fees are back to normal but that aside, it's probably best to support Polygon zkEVM rather than the POS chain at this point, this is where all the team's efforts seem to be going to. But I'm not sure if that's something you would want to do (now), since it's not really supported by CEXes right now.

I've tried to check eXch since I'm planning to use and exchange there soon. I've copied the name of OP with ".cc" since I thought it's the same as the actual domain which is .cx.
My mistake though since I thought what's in the signature space is the same. Maybe it's possible to request for change name just for that one character 'c' into 'x'. Just a thought though.

The proposal for a change of name has been discussed a long time ago and they have already sent the PM to Theymos, but so far he hasn't obliged. A few member's successfully got their usernames changed recently, but eXch representative here is yet to be successful on that. If they don't mind, i would like to know what Theymos' response to the request was, is it something he considers doing later or was the PM ignored.

Oh, I didn't know that. I just thought of it when I literally copied and pasted it on my browser through the username.

Yes, there have been users that have successfully changed their names and granted their request. So if it's already requested to theymos, well, it really takes time IIRC because I've read it before that there's no timeframe when it shall be granted. And you know with stuff that with issues these days, it might really take time. Btw, thanks for your response.

He seems pretty reluctant to grant them that wish. If he wanted, I think he would have done it by now, since OP had a genuine reason for the name change. They even gave them back control of the old account (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=317539), but it has no activity.

I just hope that someone malicious just doesn't go and register the eXch.cx name and maybe even try to impersonate.

eXch.cx is actually the legit name of the service  :)

eXch.cc leads to this page:
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/12/02/NyARI.png

I hope that, as you say, it's OP that owns this domain.

Then there are news like https://www.coindesk.com/business/2023/11/30/polygons-secret-deal-sending-draftkings-millions-to-run-failed-validator/ that again make things complicated to be included in eXch, since we can't afford losing money to some scam network and because we are not some reseller of WhiteBit or Binance that wouldn't care which coins to accept by adding just another trading symbol to some API call. Decentralization in these PoS chains is subject to a strict review in our case, since we actually run a node for each network we work with.


The first request we sent to him asking to change our username was ignored.

The second request to unlock an inactive account (eXch) was granted, but it seems to me that it happened only due to icopress's close involvement to this question.


We are planning to start a new topic in the Exchanges section (since we are a cryptocurrency exchange by a definition) by the end of this month using that brand new account.


We don't. We obviously wouldn't let this page you showed in a screenshot to persist there. There are still ongoing attempts to get that domain back though.

That's what I am thinking because it was an honest mistake when I did visited their link through the username and saw that porkbun website.

Hopefully, it goes well to you guys because someone just like me might not look at the signature and think that it's the same as the username's to just copy and paste the link but the good side of it is it contains nothing.

It's nice to get that back and can serve as a mirror of your website.

I waited a bit before making this reply, as I wanted to see how things develop. And the way they develop is scary. That account seems legit, indeed. It's not only you believing that, nor only me, but many other users, including some high forum officials. It still baffles me why they felt the need to troll Sinbad by creating that design (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5416985.msg63241163#msg63241163) which was similar to the images used by Sinbad (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;threads;u=3509539;sa=showPosts) in their topics. Did they hire a designer to craft them that image? Lol! It's ridiculous that they also wanted to be funny.

We need to brace ourselves! The government is coming (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5202758) and that old topic of mine, written 4 years ago, shows a reality which surrounds us more and more.

And the recent decision of banning mixers (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476162.0) only proves that. We are on a forum which had free speech as its main goal, yet authorities show once again that is they put some pressure things can change for their benefit. I see more and more eXch as a sort of "last man standing" in this continuous struggle of preserving people's privacy. In a way, if I may, continuing Cypherpunks' work.

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This is really good news! I am glad to see you recovered your account!

Good decision to start fresh, and best to lock this topic when you make the final transition.
My suggestion is to create new account without any extension, just make eXch or eXch_exchange if any of this user names are available.

PS
Can you tell me more about eXch mobile app?
I saw that it's open source and available on Fdroid, but I am not sue how safe it is, since it's community made project.

If you noticed in chipmixer, they modified the logo for a hand that cleaning the logo like saying this service was mixing the dirty stuff, so it looks like they have a designer trying to add such details.

I do not think so. In the report about chipmixer, they mentioned detailed information about the service and mentioned the forum, but the information that the forum cooperated with them was not mentioned, and since they had reached out to the person who runs the site, they did not care about who was promoting the service.

In the case of Sinbad, it appears that the entity is a group of hackers funded by a government or organization, so they were not able to do much, especially since the service is a renaming of a previous mixing service that was operating on the forum.

Let me see if I understand well what you meant: are you saying that FIODNederland (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3593363) is a group of hackers? Not a user created by Dutch authorities?

No, he's saying Sinbad appears to be government funded. And it's not the Dutch government ;)

I can't be positive its not but I don't think the US government would do that as it would be considered entrapment. Its true that they (US + Netherlands) briefly took over Hansa market after AlphaBay was shut down - perhaps the most famous of all bitcoin/darknet "honeypots" - but they only used evidence gathered to prosecute vendors on the market who were already active.

By setting up a brand new site and enticing users who may not have otherwise wanted to mix their coin, the feds run afoul of entrapment... certain arrests wouldn't hold up in court, and thus it would be a waste of money/resources.

Who knows for sure though, anything's possible, and I'm no legal expert.

I have seen this happen when it made rounds on the news  (https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/crypto-bitcoin-irs-trader-mr-coins-dark-web-drug-monero-2021-09)that an IRS agent had posed a crypto vendor on the Localcryptos marketplace just to collect evidence from some guy they had been tracking down for some time. It was an interesting case.  :D

Service announcement: eXch Android app is there!

We are glad to announce the release of our fully open-source app for Android on the F-Droid main repository.

This is in fact the first app ever included into the F-Droid main repository that permits swapping cryptocurrencies.

Automatic reproducible builds permit making sure the build you run on your phone from F-Droid was compiled from the source code of the current release at Github: https://github.com/pitonite/exch_cx

While we call it a communnity app, this app was developed under official supervision of IT security specialists from eXch to ensure it corresponds to high standards in security.

Main features:

- Switching between our clearnet and Tor domains
- Custom native SOCKS5 proxy support for both clearnet and Tor domains (set to 127.0.0.1:9050 by default which is one provided by the Tor-enabling app called OrBot)
- HTTPS support and TLS fingerprint verification (https://github.com/pitonite/exch_cx/blob/main/app/src/main/java/io/github/pitonite/exch_cx/network/ExchHttpClient.kt#L55) (both SHA256 and SHA1) for our .onion
- Written using the same framework as the official F-Droid app with minimal library dependency chain
- Ability to import orders created externally
- Ability to keep the orders history (including letters of guarantee)
- In-order support chat
- Supports most of the features available via website and API
- Fully open-source

You can support the main dev by donating:

https://exch.cx/fdroid.png (https://f-droid.org/en/packages/io.github.pitonite.exch_cx/)

Have you confirmed that the fee rate is variable between 0.5% and 1%? There is no fee rate info on the website and I'm trying to collect this data.

Click the Calculate button, you'll see the 1% or 0.5% rates.

New app looks very good, but I think eXch should also work fine if used with Tor mobile browser.
Is there some shortage of xmr at the moment?

From my own testing and usage I can say that Dynamic rate is much better, not only because of percentage, but in cases where transaction fees are higher and  exchange happens later than usual.

I just made a transaction, I am quite satisfied with the whole process. Maybe I'll write a complete review somewhere.
What confuses me is entering the Refund address, which is not mandatory, but can be added later. However, during the process, I did not have the opportunity to enter it afterwards. Did I overlook it and why is it not mandatory? If a refund of the address was required, would I have to request a refund from support and what does that process look like?

I admit that the explanation on the website is not the most specific.

I always thought that Refund addresses were used only when exchanging XMR.

You may be right, I was converting from Bitcoin to Litecoin. Even so, this part of the process ^{Bitcoin Refund address} is not the most clear to me.

If you did not include a refund address during the transaction process and there is a need for eXch to refund you, it would be sent to the address that you used to deposit the funds. In other words, if you fail to include a refund address, your deposit address becomes your refund address.

The way it's designed is just a question of convenience and flexibility.

I will try to describe how it works in full in this brief FAQ:


How it works?

If you don't provide a refund address during the order creation process, you will be able to provide it later *if* and *when* it's needed.

The posterior refund address insertion can be only made when the page asks for it and it's a fully automatic process that doesn't require an operator intervention.


When a refund may be required?

A refund request state can be triggered in some situations such as:

a) your deposit took too much time to confirm and the amount you planned to receive was sent to some order that was quicker and drained the necessary reserve required by your order, since our system does not reserve output amounts in the "CONFIRMING INPUT" state for coins that may take a lot of time to confirm and are prone to double-spending *
b) your BTCLN invoice is unpayable
c) race condition with other order(s) that took your planned amount of reserve at the same time *
d) a node/wallet responsible for payout suddenly crashed or is not responsive *
 
and any other unforeseen situations.

* refund is optional in these cases and offered to a user in-order, since under these circumstances the order will turn into a backorder and await for a necessary reserves to be executed


Why is it optional during the order creation?

Some users prefer not to bother providing the refund address during the address creation, since mostly it's not required. Doing this extra step for providing a refund address during the order creation is viewed as time-consuming for some people. This is however their responsibility to keep their order's URL in secret and monitor the order to avoid a scenario when someone who they shared the order ID with would take a refund on their behalf, since any refund address can be entered if it wasn't defined during the order creation process.

Some users don't mind taking all the steps to fill all the fields during the order creation, which is a most safe mode of creating an order.

Every user has its individual views on the order creation process, therefore we try to cover all possible situations.


A refund can be provided for any currency.


Your answer is mostly correct, except we do not detect origin addresses but instead offer a user to input it by themselves. However what you said still can be done under some marginal circumstances when a user needs to be refunded but we do not have any refund address on file and the user is not reachable for a long time, which in a such case would be a manual refund operation (except for Monero and LN deposits).


Yes, there was for some days due to the amount of backorders totalling over 8000 XMR


We are very grateful to you that you have spent some time translating our topic to Russian, since a Russian translation is a very important asset that was lacking over there for a long time.

However we have no information on why your topic was deleted. Perhaps this should be addressed to moderators of the local board you have posted it in.

EDIT:

Turned out there is a whole thread in the Russian local board existing for some time already: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5464590

Special thanks to safar1980, klarki, Symmetrick and others for active participation in that thread. We have a very large russian-speaking audience across our customers and this is for sure a very valuable asset on this forum. Added it to the original post.

Talking about translations, I noticed that the French section didn't have a translation of this ANN.

This has now been done, and I hope that French-speaking users will be interested  :D

eXch - échangez instantanément BTC / LN / XMR / LTC / ETH / ERC20 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5478269)

This is very curious... I can't find this guy's post. Apparently it was also deleted Oo I any case, I also believe that his translation was deleting for being duplicate.


Great job, paid2! Let's hope that your translation will be added soon to OP!
Now OP is translated in 6 foreign languages!

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Do you intend to try to submit the app to Google Play as well?

I was hoping that you would add another possibility, which I consider to be a possibility, especially for less experienced users, which relates to transactions that occur by mistake. This means, for example, that he uses the Ethereum deposit address and deposits a token on it. These incidents are often repeated, and platform systems exempt themselves from responsibility, and it is not possible to blame them for abandoning assistance to one of their customers, especially since this possibility of error is mentioned in the terms of use.

I expect that experienced members do not care about filling all the fields because it is always obvious that the refund address is the same address from which the deposit was made. But the matter becomes more dangerous with less experienced customers, since a large percentage of them make deposits directly from other platforms, that is, from one of the addresses of that platform and not from a personal address.

Hello.
Is btc exchange working right now even with high fees? Is there any limitation to the service?
I will try to use when fees are lower than 50sat/vbyte
Thank you.

When converting to BTC, in the case where exch sends Bitcoin, you have the option of choosing the speed of the transaction.
Of course, the fee you will pay also depends on that.

Here is at current moment
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/12/26/IyTeI.png

Bump  :)

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Nothing very useful but I laughed when I saw the following list:
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/01/10/sKTrI.png

Cannot believe changenow.io and eXch are on the same boat in his mind. "these will die off or remove priv coins" lol

For now 24h XMR volume seems to be fine on eXch: 12k XMR
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/01/10/sKNYz.png

I take responsibility for some of them  :P

Hi eXch.cx
I hope you are you alive and well.
What kind of support are you using this days and is posted SimpleX chat connection link working or nor for direct communication (https://exch.cx/support) ??
I am getting some network errors in eXch mobile app.

Rate increased from 0.5% to 5% ?!?!

What ?

Nothing changed from my side:
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/01/18/397Nj.png

I saw the increase to 5%/5.5% too. It seems to be however only for the Bitcoin -> Monero trading pair. XMR -> BTC and also other pairs like BTC -> LTC are not affected.

I noticed that XMR reserves are usually quite low as this seems to be the most attractive trading pair (for quite obvious reasons). This might be the reason for the fee increase, maybe to get funds to purchase new XMR reserves?

It's the same for me right now  :-[
Flat rate is 5.5%, Dynamic rate is 5% and I tried entering different amounts of BTC with same result.
In opposite direction when exchanging XMR to BTC fees are much lower, 1% and 0.5%


https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/01/18/3gCs9.jpeg

Small workaround is to use other altcoins first and than swap them to monero, but ethereum to xmr also has 5.5% and 5% fee.
I think there is a big shortage of monero for a while, but you can search for alternative exchanges on Orangefren and Trocador.

I confirm I get the same rates. It must be a shortage, or at least this is my only reasonable explanation. Don't forget that most CEXs don't trade XMR, so XMR flows in the market are limited in general.

Could this be because of the way the price is determined?
Coinmarketcap (https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/monero/#Markets) shows the 24h trading volume for Bitcoin/Monero on those echanges is about $4M. The eXch volume on this pair is almost half of that. Normally, on an exchange, if demand for a coin goes up, the price shifts to match supply and demand. Since eXch doesn't influence the price pair, that doesn't happen.

I don't know, but I heard several reports from people who use big centralized exchanges like MEXC that some of them are unable to withdraw monero and they have some network error message,
probably because exchanges don't have those coins, so all this exchange rates are just imaginary numbers on the screen.
More correct rates can also be found on bisq.markets, but I would like to see devs/owners return to the forum and explain it better.

Another theory is that a large holder switched to Monero, or simply makes usage of this internal function as a mixer. eXch is really attractive for an anonymous entity. No KYC and supports Tor. It reduces some risks of de-anonymization by just sending and receiving bitcoin via Tor Browser, than to use a less reviewed, more complicated software like Bisq. (And it might be cheaper as well)

Something is definitely happening with monero that is affecting all exchanges, and fee for monero remans around 5% on eXch.
Last I saw is the official ann from Coinex centralized exchange that is now asking for ID verification for depositing and withdrawing privacy coins Xmr, Beam, XHV, Oxen, Dero, Arrr, Zeph and Zano.
You can still use this exchange without verification for all other coins except for monero and other privacy coins  :P

https://announcement.coinex.com/hc/en-us/articles/22884451766804-CoinEx-Has-Required-Mandatory-ID-Verification-for-Deposits-and-Withdrawals-of-Privacy-Coins

Or maybe it's because of the new EU AML regulations and the announcement of the ban and restrictions on privacy coins and self-custody wallet payments. Although, strangely, this kind of reaction came already based on the announcement.

January 16, 2024: https://www.dlnews.com/articles/regulation/why-the-eu-is-about-to-outlaw-and-curb-key-crypto-features/#:~:text=The%20EU%20is%20taking%20aim,their%20due%20diligence%20on%20users.

I'd like to make a small comment / correction; Bisq has been around since December 2014 (https://github.com/bisq-network/bisq/releases/tag/v0.1.0), with over 200 contributors and also connects through Tor by default.
However, I confess that it feels a bit more complicated than an instant exchange running in the browser.

The only trouble I have with Bisq is that the connection is unstable between Bisq and my Bitcoin Core node. It connects and disconnects every 5 seconds. Imagine like a blinking light that turns on and off constantly. I have bloom filters enabled etc.

I haven't figured out why, but this is not a subject to discuss here. Perhaps I will open a support topic in the future.

The main problem I have with decentralized software like Bisq, is that it's software. I prefer to install as few programs as necessary, and don't want to go through the hassle of using a VM all the time.

Makes a lot of sense. You can't have blockchain analysis embedded in every KYC exchange on Bitcoin, deeming coinjoined coins as "tainted", and just ignore privacy altcoins at the same time.

I trust Bisq, and that's why it is the only DEX I'm using. However, if I had to choose which one I trust more, Tor Browser or Bisq, then it'd be the former. Not only it is less complex, it is just far more reviewed and consider it less probable to de-anonymize me. (Tor Browser comes with the extensive Firefox development)

Me too. I have switched to public nodes since then. Probably has to do with the minimum memory of the Raspberry Pi?

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BTW, @exch.cc, have you tried contacting theymos about the old domain (user)name? I'm pretty confident he'll allow changing it to "exch.cx".

I am not sure because I use 8GB RPi and I reckon 8GB is a good number. Perhaps I am wrong though. So you have switched back to public nodes and connect to them via TOR. I think it's not a bad option. Just something doesn't feel right, you know what I mean. I just wanna make it work . But apparently I can't.  :P

Can anyone please try to use the website and tell me if you both see that the maximum amount of XMR allowed is 0? So basically you can't trade BTC for XMR?

PS. If you have mentioned it above, pardon me, I haven't read all the pages.

Currently, there's a much higher limit. See under "Reserves": when they're out, they'll need someone to exchange the opposite direction first.

They did.


And then they said this:

Hello. I have been using this service for some time, specially now that btc fees are high and I am using ltc and xmr.
Congratulations.

I have been using L-BTC (liquid) and I would like to suggest you to add this 2nd layer solution to your services. I would certainly use it and I believe other members would use it as well.

https://liquid.net/

Purely out of curiosity, have you tried using https://boltz.exchange/ for Liquid swaps? It's what Aqua wallet (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5480251) uses for its swap functionality. I've used Boltz before for Lightning and it worked really well.

Thanks. It's good to have one more option available.

I have aqua too. I think exch.cx would be more useful as I could exchange ltc and xmr to L-BTC too. And when fees go back to normal I would convert L-BTC to btc

I am also supporting this suggestion.
Exch alreadx supports Lightning Network so adding Liquid would be cool, both for L-BTC and for L-USDT, especially for people who don't want to mess with shitcoins and still use stable coins.
Only thing I am not sure is how they will provide enough liquidity for L-BTC and L-USDT.

Aqua wallet is using Boltz and SideSwap, they just merged everything into one super easy to use wallet.

Hello @eXch.cc

Not that it's a serious matter at the moment, but I am just curious and thinking. Your x.com profile is named after a one Sarah Nugent (https://twitter.com/exchcx) with probably her profile photo or perhaps a fake one. I don't know. Why Sarah Nugent? Is she a representative? I hope it's a fake.

If indeed she's a real person out there, don't you think this might endanger her, given how hell-bent law enforcement is towards services that resist their directives?

The profile picture reminds me of something out of AI face generators particularly with the way it's awkwardly cropped 🤔

Couple of examples from thispersondoesnotexist.com

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/01/31/kpElb.png https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/01/31/kpYnI.png https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/01/31/kpfvd.png

I was going to use the service now, and I just found out that LTC and XMR reserves are down to zero.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/01/31/kDZ8d.png

Those are the coins I am using now, as BTC fees are very high.

I would like to suggest support for more coins... more USDT/USDC cheap blockchains (Liquid ,or maybe solana?).
I think DOGE might also be handy now

I just swapped some LTC and XMR, if you are fast enough they are some in stock right now  ;D

This is interesting:
The liquidity is almost entirely on the Bitcoin side now. Who's dumping Bitcoin for altcoins?

I often look at volumes/reserves. It's common to see XMR (and LTC in a lesser degree) at 0 while BTC is available.

Personally I understand why people trade BTC for XMR, as since last year I'm one of those who reduce continuously their BTC bag and increase their XMR one over time.

I've seen that before, but now the other alts are almost empty too, with 99.5% of the liquidity on the Bitcoin end.

I am doing that too... I have also upgraded my wallet security, generating my wallet and signing TXs offline.

However I will maintain most of my stash in BTC.

Are you only using EXCH? Because I believe we should use multiple tools for privacy reasons. Am I wrong?

You're absolutely right, I'm sure that people who do things properly sleep much better than those who don't take the time to do so  :P


Yeah I only use eXch, but I only use the service for my "liquidities". For example the BTC I earn here, or when someone pays me with altcoin; I always swap them to XMR first, no matter if I want to keep BTC.

You're right, I should probably use some other services, but I haven't found a better one for now. I am not worried about it, as I use Tor, internet data not under my name, and I believe eXch when they say they don't keep logs.

On the other hand, for the BTC I HODL for the long term (I mean for my old days), I don't want them to be linked to any online service/exchange. I prefer only hodl what I am mining myself. Who knows, maybe X or Y service could be categorized "non-compliant" in the future and some coins could be tainted (scenario easy to imagine with USDT/USDC for example). I am probably over-paranoid, but I have the feeling that the futures regulations in general will give a disadvantage for people using some privacy-friendly services today or in the past.

Perhaps one day our intrusive gov friends will realize that some naughty Asians dressed in green and red suits are using X or Y service to exchange funds, and that BTC accumulated by said service would become as rotten as those held by a certain forum campaign manager following recent events? I don't hope so, but it's possible.

I don't think there is a better one, but there are alternatives like Bisq. I mainly use these 2 options.


Since you are mining, this is a great option. So essentially your retirement funds are BTC that you have mined yourself. And you exchange every other BTC you own to XMR? That's cool.

However it is highly unlikely that coins derived from exchanges will be banned. As long as there are miners and nodes who are willing to validate such transactions, we are ok. It all depends on how "deep" chain analysis will go and how much the authorities will be able to control echanges and companies who receive BTC as payment.

The problem with that strategy is that XMR is not the same as bitcoin fundamentally. Its performance has been considerable worse over time, and you will probably lose money over the years...




I think exch.cx and similar are way cheaper than mixers. People might be using it for privacy too.

Has anyone tried LN swaps on exch?

I have only tried BTC-XMR swaps, but I was wondering about switching from BTC to LN, since currently I had some issues with my "primary" CLN node and I want to get a small amount on my "secondary" semi-custodial wallet.

I wonder why recently some pairs BTC-XMR for example charge 5% fees on eXch when just few months ago it was 0.5% fee ?
OP does all the pairs will soon be at 5% fee? or it will stay only for ETH-XMR BTC-XMR ?
It's sad this eXch was the best in the industry until it became overpriced just recently..

Probably because of this:
The liquidity comes from users, and more people are buying than selling XMR. Maybe the fee trading in the opposite direction can be lowered to encourage adding liquidity.

I understand i just hope this 5% fee will not apply to all the pairs in the future, and it is indeed for re-balancing the liquidity.

No, but I was thinking of testing small amount to see how it works with my Aqua wallet.
I would send any supported coin and receive liquid network L-BTC in my wallet but over lightning invoice.

I would love to see exchange with better rates, but maybe you could try with Bisq exchange.
There are rumors about more BTC-XMR decentralized exchanges coming soon.

This is the case even on big centralized exchanges, that is why they often don't allow people to withdraw xmr...they claim because of some maintenance, but they just don't have enough coins.

Alright, feel free to share the experience. Btw, you gave me some homework right now. I think I test this Aqua wallet. I have never heard of it.


Personally I haven't found much better rates using Bisq, unless I wanted to wait for a week or so. But normally I pay something like 4-5% on each trade with Bisq.

Rumors ? Hmmm... I am curious to know about these rumors.

That changed quickly:
The 5% fee is back to 0.5 or 1% again. Probably because Binance delisting Monero (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484277.0). Monero dropped 17% now. Imagine that, people dumping their privacy coin because they can no longer trade it on a KYC exchange....

That's an action of some real cypherpunks right there.

Haha exciting. Gonna do some exchanges for sure. By the way, is there any kyc exchange that still list XMR? I think kraken does. But anyway. I am still surprised how easy people forget their whole investment thesis because of a minor change in the environment.

Correct (https://www.kraken.com/prices/monero).
Today's -18% means nothing compared on the 5 year price graph.

I think XMR price is astonishingly attractive at the moment! I still can't get my head around this drop. In fact this drop is not justified at all. Like Loyce said, it's surprising that people quit privacy coins because they can't buy them without maintaining their privacy.

Lol yeah, I always find funny people who are trading XMR on Binance.
They simply does not care about the qualities/goals of XMR, and probably bought it because of some temporarly hype on X or any other social media,

But this is great news, no more shitty Binance related things for this community. Thus, no more Moneruns needed anymore (for now). The less "paper XMR" they sell, the better it will be for people.

For day traders, it doesn't matter which asset it is. If the XMR graph shows potential, they will trade it, regardless of the features they offer. Isn't it more fun to watch trading meme coins that have almost no clear parameters based on which the price will fluctuate?

Probably also a lot of people that keep their coins on exchanges for trading that have no way of moving it to their own wallet since they don't have one....
The just sell it and get out attitude.

More for us at better prices....

-Dave

Fees are back to normal but we can't have XMR for now:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/02/06/vzG9j.png

You can use orangefren to find better rates, but that could also mean other unwanted side effects  :P

I was checking out the same thing after I heard the news about delisting, and monero is now down over 30% thanks to binance ;)
This is probably a very good chance for every trader to earn good profit with BTC - XMR trading pairs in both directions, but watch about everyone, rates are going crazy.
Trading volume on eXch is going crazy right now  :o

Interesting. It looks like XMR first got dumped, and then bought back cheaper at eXch.
Since the price is based on other exchanges, that might be open to manipulation.

Update: It's not just that trading pair, I checked a few other pairs and directions, and it looks like all XMR trading was halted.

Back to the "new normal". 23 sat vB is still pretty high imo.

I always transferred with less than 10 sat vB, usually even below 5. Just needed some patience..

For me XMR is a tool and nothing more than that. It serves its purpose perfectly. And its purpose is to be used for anonymous payments. Luckily I have found some sellers that accept XMR especially in the collectables sector, so I have actually used XMR to buy stuff. And I really like it. So as long as I can have more of this tool, I feel good about it. However, there is a catch. Payments must be in XMR and not in USD (but paid in XMR). Because 1 XMR is 1 XMR but if the price is converted from USD to XMR then the seller will want the same price as before the dump, but you will need to pay higher amounts in XMR.


I am sure that paid2 was refering to the XMR-BTC trading fee which diminished from 5% to 1%

EDIT

What the hell is that:

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/02/06/vzpBq.png

I guess it's to protect the exchange against speculation. If I'm not mistaken, the total balance on eXch dropped quite a lot yesterday.
The fees dropped to 10%/9% already. Exchanging the other way is 5%/5.5%, and surprisingly the Dynamic rate is the highest for this trade.

It worked to be honest. The high fees made me rethink and I didn't proceed personally. I have found some good options in BISQ with very low fees. There are options definitely. I think Exch uses good automation tools to avoid issues. So, to this extent, well done to the Devs.

There are more and more websites and services that accept both bitcoin and monero payments.
I know one website from Europe called shopinbit.com that is even giving 3% discount for all BTC and XMR payments, and they even have topic created here last year I think.

Fees are changing all the time, but now they are back around 5%
Even on decentralized exchanges and atomic swaps we can see something similar with different rates.
I think that centralized exchanges are creating fake value for most coins, and they don't have all coins like they claim.

But I found few interesting posts today regarding recent events related with this, and they will explain better what is happening with eXch rates:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/02/07/v3GBw.jpeg

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/02/07/v3mX9.jpeg

Binance is going to continue xmr perpetual contracts, so expect manipulation from CZ and CMC to continue.  :P

Yep I am aware of this website. I will check it, I have never used it, but since I am both based in Europe, I will give it a try.


I think FTX's CEO faces these charges exactly. I haven't pursued the whole story, but I reckon the main accusations are because of this.

It is debatable if Bisq is better than eXch in BTC<->XMR swaps, if we ignored self-custody for a moment. In Bisq, both traders need to make a total of four Bitcoin transactions. At current fee rates (~28 sat/vb for medium priority), that's about $7. Then, it is the trading fees (funding the DAO). If you pay in BSQ, it can come as cheap as 0.075% (https://bisq.wiki/Trading_fees) of the amount exchanged, if you're the maker. That's really low, and from my experience, you do find takers if you leave it open for at least a day. Just don't sell it at a premium price. People don't choose premium as they do with fiat trades.

To me, eXch is better if you're in hurry. Otherwise, Bisq is more flexible and cheaper for large amounts.

This is exactly what I have noticed myself too. Exch is also easier to use in my opinion and it has the additional advantage that you don't have to install anything on your computer (except for TOR of course).

Look, personally, I use both for privacy reasons, I don't want to solely depend on a single application. So far, I never had issues.

I don't think EXCH lacks self-custody. In fact it is not a wallet. I think you know that, but maybe I misunderstood what you wrote.

Hello,

I've been using eXch since a few months and saw Blixt being recommended for LN usage. However I was never able to receive anything with Blixt from eXch because of expiration limit (and likely zero-amount invoice). For the record: A channel was already opened and transactions with other LN Wallets work in both directions.

Is it possible to use Blixt on eXch to receive LN BTC? If so it would be nice if someone explains how, but I understand that this is maybe too much to ask. If not, are there any good alternatives that can be used with eXch?

Thanks in advance!

I have had a look several times at the website recently, it seems the refilling of XMR is happening frequently enough to not appear zero as much as it used to therefore that helps those that prefer to not look elsewhere.

Is there scope or plans for adding any other stable coins options to eXch in the future? DAI and USDT are available on the Ethereum blockchain but are there any plans to spread out further say to TRC-20?

About TRC-20 stablecoins, they have already written in this thread in November that they're perhaps interested, see here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577207.msg63243167#msg63243167). They're however generally sceptical regarding Tron.
As for other Ethereum alternatives with stablecoins, in the same post they wrote about Polygon too (they were considering adding it, but sceptical due to the high fees close to Ethereum's, which may have changed (https://polygonscan.com/chart/gasprice)), and this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577207.msg63116986#msg63116986) probably means that they're not eager to add Avalanche, although the post is related to a bridge, not to stablecoins.

(I answer here just because I remembered these posts exch made in November. Of course their policies may have changed and I actually would also love some new alternatives.)

Thank you for the answer  ;D

They probably have the capability (and infrastructure) to expand but they are taking their time by evaluating options and scenarios. There is another possibility "less is more" therefore if that is what the eXch team are trying to do by focusing on a core handful of coins it is working because they have an excellent reputation and provide a brilliant service. Maybe adding more options will damage their reputation especially if there are fluctuations in fees but that should not really be a factor in the decision.

By a lucky occasion Cloudflare isn't blocking me from accessing Bitcointalk today and I can finally reply.








No, nor planning to. Google Play is not a safe source of Android applications.








Regarding wrong token deposits:

The situation you described happens from time to time and our standard procedure to handle such cases is to cancel the order and disclose a private key of the deposit address to user. Our users never had problems restoring their tokens this way.

Regarding optional refund addresses:

It's not always obvious that the refund address is the sending address because many use third-party services/exchanges to send funds as deposits to us, therefore our system offers such a flexible refunding model aimed to cover both use cases - custodial and non-custodial. From what I can tell most users are happy with it so far and there were never complaints about it, otherwise we would consider changing it.








Both ChangeNow and FixedFloat are puppets of chain analysis and intel platforms.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/02/10/vLZsG.png

twitter/demchukvm/status/1755180697390571727 (tweet by Slava Demchuk, founder of AMLBot)

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/02/10/vLSHj.png

twitter/MistTrack_io/status/1699926525229863003










We use:

- our on-site support ticketing system
- email (both with and without PGP)
- SimpleX

For fast and secure assistance please use our ticketing system as it's monitored and attended by all of our team members. Your communications will be encrypted by our own TLS certificate on our HTTP server without any intermediary third-party servers (such as Cloudflare), since all the frontend servers belong fully to us and operate strictly on bare metal hardware that will be automatically considered compromised by a state-level attacker in case there is a single unexpected reboot to happen.

Email without PGP is also a fast option which is also attended by various people but less secure.

Email with PGP is a slower option, since the PGP key is only possessed by the core admin/founder.

SimpleX is only attended by the core admin who is not always online and doesn't have it installed on a mobile device (which might change later).












The service fee increase is a loss prevention mechanism of our exchange and usually only affects highly volatile coins, which in that case was XMR. Don't forget that we don't resell Binance like other swappers, so charging 0.5% which often causes a loss of our own reserves is not always an option.

The first service fee spike for XMR pairs was caused by OKX delisting XMR.

The second service fee spike for XMR pairs was caused by Binance attacking XMR by delisting announcement and price manipulation involving various techniques not obvious to most people (except ones who have been here enough to know how all this speculative market works and has nothing in common with tech)

As a service that provides its own liquidity for trades, we have to protect our liquidity from extreme volatily in order to prevent losing our capital.

If we increase a price by 5% 10% or 22% it means we only do it to protect ourselves from some factors currently affecting the coin's price and not to make extra gains.

We are barely able to make any profits even with a current 5% service fee but it's at least a good (and only) mean of protection against high volatility.

However, we are considering to keep 5% on selling XMR in future because our service is now used by many other services with a purpose of mixing, therefore it's absolutely inconvenient for us to work hard acquiring XMR then give it away for nothing to some other service that makes considerable gains based off our hard work acquiring XMR. Same for users who only use eXch for mixing their BTC through XMR - we don't consider it honest when some of them complain about 5% for the level anonymity they will take from our service without recurring to chaining their funds flow through different services that might cost them far more than just 5% (and who are often eXch's resellers).









A price increase of 5% on XMR won't make us worse for sure, because first of all it's justified and secondly we are the only service offering a set of unique privacy/anonymity options and features.

And no, we do not plan to impose a 5% service fee to other pairs unless it becomes necessary, like it was/is in case of XMR.








Bisq is one and the only truly decentralized exchange which we often recommend to our customers without any greed feelings, since our primary goal is not to make money but to defend some cypherpunk ideas instead.

However, Bisq comes with some privacy and useability issues not often convenient for some edge use cases.

• Java has a very risky environment and is very resource-consuming
• Bisq has no reproducible builds yet, so if you don't compile the project yourself, you have to trust its builders and pray they (or their hypothetical attackers) don't include malicious code into the builds you rely on. This is the reason many people isolate it using virtualized environments which also creates a big resource load overhead
• Privacy issues related to reusing same identity - after a certain amount of trades a user can be tracked and even traced. Gladly you can at least change your identity fast currently, but I've heard that Bisq 2 will be based on a reputation-only model which potentially might make things worse in terms of privacy and hope that they will at least continue providing the current collateral-based model as an option

Yeah, there were attempts to do so. Although theymos was not able to help at all, we were recently contacted by another admin who is offering some options related to username change which we are reviewing still.








Liquid network is a next project we will list and there is currently work ongoing.









She was hired on Linkedin and informed about all the potential risks working with us, which she agreed to.

We checked her profile pic on https://wasitai.com and it told us she is a human:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/02/10/vLuGc.png

She also has Twitter's blue check mark which means she most probably passed KYC.

However, we will for sure review all this information and let you know in the near future if there is anything wrong with that person.

Also, just a tip: take everything that happens on Twitter with a grain of salt including this particular reply in regards to her








2 facts, by the way:

1. Some people indeed use eXch as a mixer
2. Some mixers now use eXch as their backend









We've been recommending Blixt for some time already (https://exch.cx/faq#wallet_security_recommendations) mainly because they make a full LN node from a mobile device, however we will probably stop doing so temporarily because they fail to include their wallet to the main F-Droid repo nor seem to care about doing so, which is a huge security issue according to our assessment.

For now the only solid options we can recommend are Electrum or self-hosting a node.

However, for users who don't mind trusting .apk's built directly by devs there are for sure many good options available, but we don't want to take a responsibility of recommending them because of their security model not matching our high standards (Tl;DR: F-Droid or avoid). And of course, any suggestions are always welcome.








What d5000 answered above is still relevant and can be taken as a full answer. We are still hesitant on adding Tron or Avalanche. We don't trust both project founders and specially the latter.

Lol! I agree.. It is a real hell to access Bitcointalk via Tor..


I can confirm that from my own experience.
A while ago for the first time I made the noob mistake of sending the wrong token  ::). Lol I never thought I would be able to do such a mistake, but that's not the point. I opened a case with the support, and the problem was quickly resolved. The agent sent me the private key to the address where I'd sent the tokens by mistake, and I was able to recover everything of course.

The support was efficient, and completely free (unlike many platforms that don't do anything below a certain threshold and then charge you colossal fees... )

You know the Captcha bypass code (https://bitcointalk.org/captcha_code.php) exists, right? Cloudflare isn't blocking me, even on Tor.

Yeah, my captcha bypass token was generated many many years ago and I am still using it. The issues I am facing are not related to the forum's login CAPTCHA. And well, lucky you if it isn't blocking you on Tor then.

For sites I could actually never visit because of CloudFlare it helped to click around on the verify-dialog (or moving your finger around on mobile). Maybe it's just superstition, but at least it always worked for this site with Tor Browser. If it doesn't work there is not much lost.


Is it possible to receive LN BTC from eXch to Blixt wallet? I always got an error message that was along the lines of "the expiration date is too soon" and I am also pretty sure the invoice was not zero-amount. And I found no option to change either.

Welcome back  ;D

I need to look in to this to get a better understanding of why you might be avoiding adding them as potential options but TRC-20 seems to be getting popular as an alternative to ERC-20 because of lower fees. If you remain hesitant (after a significant amount of time) you must have valid reasons and concerns for not trusting them. I am not familiar with the background of either of the project founders (Tron or Avalanche) therefore I will try to find out about them.

I think you should add this information for SimpleX on eXch website.
From my experience I tried contacting eXch support with SimpleX chat using link that was provided, and nobody accepted my request or answered anything to me.

Great to hear this!
I hope you are going to add both L-BTC and L-USDT, this will be good alternative for using stable coins on tron and similar chains.

I agree with dkbit98. I think that the support page[1] would greatly benefit from a condensed information presented here so that the users could know what they could expect in terms of reply by using the available support options:
With this information displayed it would be up to the user of the service to decide and to balance out their current needs (do I need immediate help that I feel comfortable using a ticketing system for? Can I wait a bit longer and use email with PGP?) in order to choose the available options. At the end of the day this would just be another layer of transparency, which is always great from my perspective.

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[1]https://exch.cx/support (https://exch.cx/support)

Bump  :)

I was checking the last 24h volumes:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/02/18/YQTOv.png

7,5k XMR
100 BTC
322k USDT
53k DAI

That sounds like a lot!
I'm always pleased to see that DAI and XMR are so popular.

100 BTC is huge, I wonder what is the proportion of mixed/aggregated and what is the most used

FixedFloat was hacked.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/02/18/YQeRJ.png

https://etherscan.io/address/0x85c4ff99bf0ecb24e02921b0d4b5d336523fa085

There will be some juicy revelations about how that service was handling the customer data on the upcoming week.

Update 20/FEB: At the time of this post, the FixedFloat hackers established a contact with us and offered to act as a whistleblower as there was a planned revelation of malicious FixedFloat practices concerning the customer data handling, but since we have rejected the offer, they have also decided to change their plans in regards to the public disclosure and we respect their decision. We were asked to not make any public statements this time, but we still will be able to respond some key questions via private communication to anyone interested (not via forum PM since it's not for the record). The information we have is especially important for FixedFloat customers, thus if you were one, contact us immediately.

Thank you for the transparency regarding this communication. I saw that you omitted the name of the person that got in contact with you but you left his name on the e-mail. Perhaps it would be better to hide it as well.
I wasn't aware of this hack but I can see that it is very recent[1] and already $26M have been drained:

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[1]https://cointelegraph.com/news/fixed-float-confirms-26m-exploit-bitcoin-ether (https://cointelegraph.com/news/fixed-float-confirms-26m-exploit-bitcoin-ether)

Do you provide required info (as far as I see only thing you collect is receiver wallet address tho) in such obvious hack cases?

Most likely, they cannot help much, because they do not keep information about their users, nor ask for KYC. If they would act differently, it would be contrary to the fact that they have presented themselves as a no-tracking service until now.
Also, using an Exch exchange, the user can delete all data immediately after the trade. Someone who hacked 26+ million is certainly aware of such an option.

The publication of this screenshot clearly implies maximum distancing from any three-letter agencies ^{[for any question]}.  ;)

Any updates on the 5% fees to buy and sell XMR?

I think the xmr volatility is low now. Any reason for this fee in this specific coin?

OP wrote about it recently, I think it should answer your question:

Thanks paid2.

I understand the 5% when they are giving away their XMR, but not when they are receiving xmr. I see 5% on both sides.

Maybe lowering the cost when they are receiving xmr might be a good way to acquire more xmr.

This is really not good. With a little research, you get to the guy.
You should review that. If the image was used on TalkImg, I can try to help if I receive a PM.

Yeah except he is an IRS agent, not a customer. He could post the whole email if he wanted to as its not really any sort of breach of customer confidentiality. He did the agent a favor by not leaving the email address in there.

Even though it is not from a client, it is still private correspondence. Exposing this email, identifying its origin, unauthorized, is condemnable. And even though we haven't exposed his email, with a little research it's possible to contact him.

I'm not saying he shouldn't share the email he received, just that he should have been more careful.

I have a question about the reserves you display on your website. My apologies if it was already asked, but this thread has 16 pages, so it's quite time-consuming going through each one looking for the exact thing I want to ask. I have noticed that you always display your XRM reserves as 0, but in the 24h trading volume, we can see how much Monero was exchanged. Is the total Monero reserve a secret or can't the site display it for some other reason? 

Nope the reserves of XMR are accurate, but indeed XMR is often empty. But it is for sure not a secret and well displayed.

For example right now:
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/02/20/YNMml.png

Every time I visited the exchange website in the last couple of days, XMR was always at 0. But you are right. It was showing a little bit above 121 when I saw your quote. A few minutes later and it's back to 0 again. There is great demand for no-KYC monero.

Thank you for a tip, but due to the nature of our business, our anonymity setup requires a lot more than just a Tor Browser. We do not use Tor Browser to access the Tor network and use a bit more complex solutions such as Whonix Gateway along with multirouted and fully isolated systems.

Cloudflare actually can detect when you use the Tor Browser (yes, that browser specifically) and facilitate access for it, however, when it couldn't determine which setup is used and when it assumes your anonymity is too strong, its detection systems start to be more hostile, specially when you have a Tor exit IP but no Tor Browser detected.

We also do not use mobile devices for this project due to high risks of exposure to possible firmware backdoors implemented during manufacture (this is independently of whether you use clean AOSP builds such as Lineage OS or not). Some desktop platforms are safer in this regards.

I have however decided to use a residential proxy on top of my setup to access this forum from now. Hopefully theymos will consider some better alternative to Cloudflare within next years or at least could re-configure the current Cloudflare settings to facilitate access to users with complex Tor setups. We are also ready to provide technical assistance in Cloudflare-less DDoS protection setup if it's the case.


It should be possible. LN is a relatively new currency added on eXch therefore there might be some issues still which are being fixed. Some wallets still have many issues as well, but that's mostly because most of them use LND instead of Core Lightning as their backend. LND is prone to feature implementation delays, because most people who standartize and implement Lightning protocol are Core Lightning developers.


Thank you for the suggestions! We will definitely add that information.


I have replied to your PM in this regards.


No.


It is back to normal now.



Thank you for your concerns. It's all good and the agent will be fine. Don't worry.


Correct.

We actually provided a proof of good work of that agent and made him a big favor so he can get promoted in the name of the god-blessed United States of America. He should be honored for making that effort and working on Saturday evening.

Moreover, we were not asked to keep this communication in secret and we have a right to disclose any communications coming from the federal agencies to the degree that we find acceptable. This was an unofficial request, but still from a federal entity we have absolutely no relations with.


Answered in full by paid2


Absolutely. We can load 15000 XMR right now and it will be sold in just a few hours at 5%. At 0.5% in less than 1 hour. This situation has repeated many times already.

Some time ago we were using exchanges like Binance and Kraken to acquire XMR liquidity periodically, but we stopped doing so because they became very uncomfortable with us draining so much liquidity from them, because it became an infinite process.

We are now temporarily back to our old model (customer-provided liquidity only), but expect to resume having constant XMR liquidity soon once we acquire a good and reliable source.

I didn`t know about this XMR scarcity. This is new to me.

What intrigues me about this, is that XMR performance is very poor compared to other cryptocurrency. It used to top in top 10 coins (in marketcap) just 5 years ago, and it is nearly 50th now (46th in time of writing). This means losing much of its valuale compared to BTC.

Something is not right. XMR price is not showing this scarcity. Maybe XMR price will be adjusted in the future?

Monero has been battered lately after Binance announced that it would soon delist it from their platform. That caused a big downward trend for the value of the coin. Binance is just the latest big exchange that has turned its back on Monero, many others before it did. Privacy coins are constantly under attack by regulators and governments that see them as a bigger threat than stablecoins. Whatever bitcoin is going through, in terms of being called a haven for scammers and thieves, monero is subjected to double of that. All of that has affected the price and overall interest for the coin.

My theory is that the XMR price is been "set" on the big exchanges, but on these platforms it's not a popular cryptocurrency because the typical public of these platform (retail speculative "altcoin investors") prefer generally coins with hype potential and big marketing expenses, and Monero lacks these characteristics. Instead, it has a different public and is traded mainly at lesser known exchanges like Exch, or even via atomic swaps and P2P. But these platforms tend to follow the price of the big exchanges and have no capacity of being "price makers". Instant exchanges like Exch can select the price but they can't diverge that much from the big CEXes (they make money from fees mainly so they need to stay attractive).

So we have a situation where XMR is very popular on exchanges which do have only a very minor influence on the prices which are shown on Coinmarketcap et al, while not being popular at the "price making" exchanges. This could have a damping effect on its price, and also reduces the "hype potential" even further.

A question remains if it would be more convenient for Exch to simply increase their XMR price 4,5% and charge 0,5% fees again, instead of 5% fees and following the Coinmarketcap price, or if this would drive away potential customers more than the high fees? The revenue for the exchange would be the same, but the price would then reflect the scarcity.

That makes arbitrage trading in the other direction possible. Say: buy XMR at Kraken, sell at eXch. I'm not sure what repercussions that would have.

I still think there is something missing here.

Monero performance is very poor. 

Takee a look at this website with historical coins price.
https://coinmarketcap.com/academy/article/evolution-of-top-10-coins-in-cmcs-history

This image is from 2017, after that, monero is gone from top 10 (to be replaced with bsv, bch, tron, whatever)

https://academy-public.coinmarketcap.com/optimized-uploads/b3698c64f8524f06a90fd343a00c585f.jpeg

In 2017, bitcoin was worth 2000 usd and monero 34.
Bitcoin is now worth 52k (26x) while xmr is worth 120 (3.5x)

This means, that if you invested 1 btc in monero  in 2018 you would have now 0.13 BTC.
Nearly 80% loss.

If monero had now a marketcap similar to Tron , it would be worth 6x more  which would lead to 720 usd.

Monero  price might be a big opportunity? Or it is just doomed because bureaucrats don't like we to have it?

My take: Monero, like Bitcoin, is here to stay. If all centralized exchanges delist it, it only becomes closer to how it's supposed to be: private. Who are those people buying and holding privacy coins on a KYC exchange anyway?

Graphene OS is way better for mobile devices, since it is fully open source and updates are released more often, but I agree that any mobile devices are inferior compared to well secured desktop system.

We talked about this several times in forum and we would all like to see good alternative for Cloudlfare.
I am not sure theymos is willing to experiment and break something, but testing is maybe possible with new forum software or epochtalk.

Maybe you should consider working directly with miners to get more monero coins.

They set artificial prices for many coins, not just for monero.
Realistic price should be much higher than now, and most shitcoins should have lower or no value at all.
Imagine that solana crap is ranked so high and they literally had more downtime than old dial-up internet connections  ::)
Meanwhile Bitcoin uptime is 99.98%

Agreed.
Traders for sure, and people who are speculating with price and don't care at all about privacy.
Note that Binance continues to trade monero futures, so manipulation continues  :P
https://www.binance.com/en/futures/XMRUSDT

What I meant was that they could increase the ask price only, while leaving the bid price as it is. The 5% would then simply be the result of the bid/ask spread.

Yep, while I agree that Monero has much better fundamentals from a cypherpunk perspective, typical altcoin investors search for other characteristics. They see that Solana or Avalanche are described in crypto media (which is full of native advertising, of course) potential "Ethereum killers", but have a much lower market cap, so they buy. Or they invest in memecoins or even BRC-20 tokens ::)

On the other hand, XMR doesn't lose that much value in bear markets. I think on the whole it doesn't perform bad (if we don't take account the Binance delisting-driven dump), it's only less volatile. Solana for example lost 97% in the last bear market. XMR only lost about 80%, not much more than BTC. Tron, which is now hyped again, had its ATH in ... 2018.

I sincerely hope theymos will read this and consider it.

Cloudflare is far from being a perfect solution. Even though I'm aware that he's saving us from a lot of trouble, I think an alternative would be great for everyone.
In a previous mixer topic (RIP), we wondered whether there were any credible open source alternative to CF, but unfortunately it would appear to be difficult to find.

There's a much better chance of that if this would be posted in Moving to Cloudflare (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2485318.0).

All true, but it doesn't mean a thing for the price. Not being available on major exchanges and therefore not being available to the many users of such platforms affects the value negatively. Hype and marketing are more important than usability from a price perspective. That's just the reality of the world we live in.

Thank you for the link.
I've posted a quote from OP's message, with the hope that it might lead to something...

Friends, I have great news for you!

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Astonishing news icopress. You always take good care of your people. Thanks

Here's the first raffle !  

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Good luck to you all 8)

Some articles began describing this service as an Ethereum mixer, and I think the reason for that is the Privacy policy in the terms of use^[1]. Is there any intention to update it? especially if the service is misused as a mixer?

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You mentioned in a previous reply that this service is barely making profits, and I see that Monero reserves are decreasing quickly. To what extent will the rise in Bitcoin price affect the XRP --> BTC service, assuming that Monero does not react positively to the speed of the rise in the price of Bitcoin and that you are barely making profits?


[1] https://exch.cx/tos

I think that, among other things, they gave an explanation related to Monero. They turned to customer-provided liquidity, even though they might lose some profit that way.

I know that the eXch representative has said no to including the TRC-20 version of USDT on the platform, but I am still hoping that will happen. Out of all the USDT variants, I use that one the most. DAI is, obviously, the best if you have to engage with a stablecoin, but I haven't met many people that want it as much as they want USDT as long as they have a choice. 

No need to change anything.
This is clearly not a mixer, and you can't send bitcoin to get mixed bitcoin, or send ethereum for mixed ethereum.

This is one of the worst crap stable coin blockchains, and fees are often higher than on all other alternatives, unless you stake trx shitcoin.
It would be much better to see L-BTC and L-USDT on liquid chain, and admin already confirmed they are working on it.

Here is comparison:
https://gasfeesnow.com/
https://liquid.network/

They are all crap stablecoin blockchains, but if you need to engage with them, then you are stuck using those that are the most popular among them. I have never used or heard anyone use USDT on Polygon or the BSC network. It's mostly the asset on Tron followed by the token on Ethereum. And the fees are cheaper on Tron. Even the source you linked to shows it. I never had any staked TRX, and the fees I needed to pay for USDT transactions were either 13 or 26 TRX. At the time I last used it, it was between $0.70 and $1.40/1.50. It surely costs more now with all cryptos up in value. 

But yeah, if you have some staked TRX, you can use the energy it produces ::) and convert it into fees when engaging with smart contracts, which token transactions are.

So, it is probably the reserve will be zero in most cases.

If there is something that we learn from last year, then any service is linked to a hack and does not cooperate with the authorities or delete user data, then it will be on the government's radar, the easiest accusation that they are running an unlicensed platform and I think that what happened with Fixedfloat is a good reminder.

I've used it on BSC.
Recently, I was somehow forced to use the BSC network, so it all ended with a conversion to a USDT(BEP20) token. Honestly, quite cheap transactions, with almost negligible fees. Around $0.04. After that, Ethereum and ERC20 are tough shit if you ask me.


It's almost like that now. Currently, most of the reserves are in BTC and ETH, with an insignificant share of XMR and stablecoins.

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/03/01/fRtpw.png

Happy to see my service is being used in the raffle, providing fair and easily verifiable results.
https://bitcoindata.science/giveaway-manager/



Users are probably dumping their BTC to convert to stablecoins. This might be an interesting strategy, if we see some correction ahead the person can just rebuy. I think I will do something liket that soon.

I have two questions that can also be suggestions to eXch.

1. What happens if there is only a partial amount in the reserve of the coin/token I want to buy? For instance, I want to swap $2,000 worth of BTC for ETH, but when it's time for the swap, there is only $1,000 of ETH left. Will the exchange swap the $1k and return half of my BTC or will everything be returned to me? You could add an option where the user could opt in to receive less than what they intended to swap if there isn't enough in the reserves. Then, if I am fine with getting a lower amount, I could get it.

2. Could you create a waiting list for swaps that users could opt in for if they wanted? For example, there is no XMR left, but I opt in to be placed on a waiting list for x amount of hours. I deposit the coin I wish to swap for XMR and then I wait to see if the reserves will fill up? When they do, I get my XMR 2/6/12/x hours later if my turn comes.

I just saw this post a bit earlier and I already registered the raffle!

Thank you eXch and icopress for making this possible! Thank you paid2 as well, for organizing the raffle! I tried to bring a bit more popularity to the raffle by announcing it (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5472737.msg63743371#msg63743371) also in the Romanian translation of this topic.

The prizes look very nice and I am sure the winners will be very happy :)

Here's my brief review of eXch:

The very first thing that I noticed was its minimum limits being so low that it makes it the best ^{[and probably the only]} option for those who want to exchange smaller amounts, so I used a small amount to pay for a monthly subscription ^{[I do know it's the opposite of what we normally recommend to newcomers, but I wanted to see how they'd respond if I encounter a problem (FWIW, everything was buttery smooth)]}... My exchange involved sending Bitcoin and receiving Monero, so I was expecting some delays due to full confirmations of the UTXOs from previous orders but to my surprise, a few seconds before mempool.space displaying the next block on their website, eXch already had sent the transaction from their end ^{[I probably got lucky with little to no backlog, but still...]}.

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Out of curiosity, is the 15-second auto refresh still accurate or there has been some changes that don't reflect on the order page?

• I noticed the confirmations shown on my order page were a confirmation behind, in comparison to what was being shown at the time on blockchair ^{[screenshot (https://i.imgur.com/OZNtzkn.jpeg)]}.
  ^{Note: I did check the status of your XMR node and it was displaying the correct block height at that time.}

This is wrong in many ways. Pre-selling something you don't own yet is always a bad idea.
It would oblige exch to keep user funds, an additional unnecessary security risk.
It would no longer be instant exchanges, functionally the same as other CEX, it is not what we users want. Funds somewhere without control, for an indefinite period
To manage the price, a significant up or down of the currency price can happen, so the customer will not receive the amount that was planned at the beginning of the swap process.
I assume that such a list would have to be public because you don't want to send Bitcoin without knowing that there are already 20 open orders pending. A public list on exchanges which prefer anonymity seems like an illogical solution.

This is another problem. I see that the balance is improving now, but I fear that it will be low when Bitcoin price skyrockets.
@eXch Wouldn’t it be better to display a reserve chart for the last 7 days or 30 days or more? This would greatly help those who want to predict your reserve.

What you're looking for is a "normal" exchange, where buyers and sellers fill the order book. Orders happen when buyers and sellers "overlap".
There could be a market for a trusted non-KYC exchange for Monero. That may lead to a higher price. If it's sold out most of the time, I'd say the price is too low.

Like I said, it would be an option for those who want to use it. Obviously, it shouldn't be the standard workflow. I don't see the problem with trusting the exchange as custodian of my coins for 12/24 hours (if I wanted to), if I already trust it as the custodian for instant exchanges. They still have the coins, only the period of time they are in possession of them changes. Many of us have and still are using mixers, and you probably know that some have options to "pay out" or provide you the private keys with a delay to make tracking even more difficult.

Sure, it would no longer be an instant exchange for users who are fine with that. Price swings could affect the final amounts, but that's already the case today. In the previous few days, we have seen bitcoin jumping between below $61k to $63k sometimes a couple of times a day. For the time it takes for your BTC transaction to confirm on-chain, you can, in theory get $2,000 less per bitcoin due to this volatility.

There is great demand for Monero. That's where this could be useful. There is also great demand for USDT now. Reserves sometimes show several tens of thousands of dollars. Then 10 mins later, it's down to 90 USDT, for example. Why shouldn't I have the option to be placed on a waiting list to prevent such situations if I wanted to? If there are no reserves for the coin I want, the exchange has to send back my deposit. I then have to deposit a second or third time if I am unlucky. That's throwing away money on fees.

The main difference is in the amount of money they'll be holding for that time. The 24h volume now shows XMR 24212. If a transaction takes 10 minutes (let's take the average Bitcoin confirmation time for this), it means they hold on average XMR 168 (or the Bitcoin equivalent) of their customer's money. If you add a 12 hour waiting list, this amount very quickly goes up a lot.

That's a good point.

If it was optional, I'm not sure how they would manage it. The moment XMR comes in, where will it be enabled first? On the regular exchange or the orders on the list will have priority?
The concept makes sense, but it looks more like a p2p model and I wouldn't add it to instant exchangers.


The same thing could happen if you are on the waiting list for too long and you want to give up and withdraw your funds.

True, but that's statistics. It's a matter of trust to send them your coins now and it becomes a matter of more trust to allow them to hold your coins for a definite period. That's how I see it.

And both sides are losing here, I think. Every time I send coins to the exchange only to have them returned, I lose in fees. I am assuming the exchange does as well for the return transactions, or do they take a piece of the original deposit to cover the mining fees?

You wouldn't be on a waiting list if they had the coin you wanted in their reserve. It should be on a first come first served basis like it is now. If my deposit confirmed before yours, I believe I should have priority over you regardless if I ticked the waiting list option or not.

True, but the odds are more in my favor if I choose to wait. It's more than likely that someone will come and deposit the amount I am looking for in the next x hours. That's what's happening every day.

I am coming back on this thread after a small discussion (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5472737.msg63683512#msg63683512) had with NeuroticFish in the Romanian translation of this topic. Among others, were wondering what information is using (and storing) the eXch app for Android. We understand that some information are forced to be accessed by the Android system itself, but other than that what information does the app collect and store (if any)?

If OP could come with such details it would be very nice.

If I am not wrong, you can find these information and which permissions are necessary on the following link: https://f-droid.org/en/packages/io.github.pitonite.exch_cx/

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Hello there some hours ago I sent ethereum on arbitrum instead of erc20 to your address, i cant send a dm to you, please ive been a long time customer

I think this applies:

@OP: In your Bitcointalk Profile > Personal Message Options, you can allow Newbies to send you PMs.

Fixefloat can't be compared with this exchange and they had a license like so many other centralized exchanges and it didn't help them a bit.
By your logic you can consider any exchange to be a mixer, and that is simply not the case.

You can get much faster reply from eXch support by creating support ticket or by email address:
https://exch.cx/support

ALERT! PHISHING!

We have found that a known .onion directory "dark.fail" currently lists an URL impersonating our service.

The domain "SWP[dot]CX" has been registered less than 30 days ago and somehow managed to get listed by DARK.FAIL - a popular .onion URL monitor that only lists well-known and reputable resources (perhaps not anymore).

This is an unusual phishing attempt when the scammer has ripped off our original design and HTML template assets used by us in the past along with our current template performing a slight "rebranding". Meanwhile it's still a confirmed phishing since this website got to our knowledge from some scammed user who thought it was our original website and explained to us how they found it.

As a preventive measure we have decided to use the same background image that was in our assets some years ago which the current scammer also uses, as well as restoring our previous "light" text-only logo version, which the scammer is also trying to impersonate.

Our current website design changes will remain while we are dealing with that scammer and till the situation is resolved.

However, during investigation of this issue we have also got very interesting findings where we were able to trace back this domain to someone who have made the first ever eXch phishing vanity-generated .onion domain and managed to scam a few of our users in the past, that caused the phishing alert at our original .onion domain: hszyoqnysrl7lpyfms2o5xonhelz2qrz36zrogi2jhnzvpxdzbvzimqd[dot]onion (WARNING: THE LINK ON THE LEFT IS A PHISHING LINK FOR DEMONSTRATION PURPOSES ONLY - DO NOT USE)

We were able to find hszyoqnysrl7...onion on some Tor listing directories earlier that we have managed to wipe by contacting admins of such resources directly, which apparently worked because we stopped receiving complaints of scammed users who accidently used phishing links.

However it seems this actor has returned under a new "brand", since after performing some brief OSINT we have found that the only other place on the Internet where both SWP[dot]CX and hszyoqnysrl7...onion are listed are here: github[dot]com/tarpetra/welcome-to-darknet  (WARNING: THE LINK ON THE LEFT IS A MALICIOUS GITHUB REPO FOR DEMONSTRATION PURPOSES ONLY - DO NOT USE)

What's even more interesting is that the username tarpetra behind that Github repo have managed to get ~1500 Github stars by supposedly using bots/fake accounts to create visibility and the fact he/she lists both scam resources (SWP[dot]CX and hszyoqnysrl7...onion) confirms that he/she is the operator of both resources (main indicator here is how recent SWP[dot]CX is and how fast it was added to a repo with "1500" [fake] stars)

We have tried to contact the DARK.FAIL admin regarding this incident but got no reply and hope other concerned users will have better luck on that in case they want to try.

We also suspect that DARK.FAIL admin might be involved in this scam scheme because we don't believe that such an experienced Tor user might have overlooked our service and .onion, since our actual onion link hszyoqwrcp7cxlxnqmovp6vjvmnwj33g4wviuxqzq47emieaxjaperyd.onion is listed at least on the following popular resources: kycnot.me, monerica.com, tor.taxi, darknet-bible[.]net, darknetdaily[.]net, darkweblink[.]com

Another few important points:

- the scammer is reverse-proxying their domain via Cloudflare - something that eXch would never do, since we genuinely care about customers privacy.

- the scammer is using a third-party email provider (Protonmail) as their email server - something that eXch would never do, since we genuinely care about customers privacy.

This was an important announcement to make today but there is still work ongoing which we will update on during next days, depending on how long this issue will persist.

P.S. will communicate on other subjects later since this announcement had to be prioritized.



UPDATE:

We have managed to obtain ultimate confirmation that the SWP[dot]CX website belongs to and operated by the person behind the malicious Github repo containing phishing links to popular services.

We have compared server headers of the HSv3 addresses linked on the clearnet version of SWP[dot]CX (uicrmrl3...onion) and Github repo one (uicrmrtwpfy4y5...onion) and both domains appeared to be served by the same web-server.

There are at least 8 identical headers including "LINK" one containing the persistent data "</assets/application-a378fdd15ea888387175a4e8c29abafb78057f4adeb418ea46d9dc6b7438e2c0.css>;" and another one containing the same ETAG between 2 different hosts indicating that it's the same server responding on both domains. Anyone can replicate this and confirm themselves. We have also managed to find the real IP address behind the Cloudflare. Further work still in course.


UPDATE #2:

Turned out this scammer has created some considerable "ecosystem" of phishing cross-referencing system that apparently works very well in terms of SEO.

Just by googling the vanity-generated .onion they had for us, you will be able to find at least 7 other sites that appear like "legitimate" directories of .onion URLs representing dedicated phishing sites carefully built for each separate project.

We don't want their server shutdown yet because we are curious about their domain registrar's stance on this matter (sarek.fi / abuse@sarek.fi) as well as DARK.FAIL's admin stance to understand the level of their involvement into this scheme. Given that today is a celebration day approximating a weekend, we'll give them 48 hours to answer before proceeding with action.


UPDATE #3:

Following up with the investigation, we have found there is a big probability of https://anir0y.in being a real scammer's personal website exposing himself as Animesh Roy from India, based on one of his blog posts named "Blog Tor Darknet Links" where he claims that "all the sites listed have been verified by DarkNetEye as being legitimate operations", where he links to some fake DarkNetEye copy with a domain registered only a few months ago, which on purpose provides phishing links of at least 3 known services mixed with other links that are valid onions of some other services.

- That list from both his blog and that fake DarkNetEye copy targets 3 specific legitimate resources related to crypto swaps and mixing with phishing: eXch, Majestic Bank and Coinomize mixer.
- The list provides a valid onion link to Infinity Exchanger which also raises another question - is Infinity is behind that or he listed it just to setup Infinity to look behind that in case all this scheme is exposed (which is happening right now), since we already know that the person behind this scam scheme is quite smart.
- All other links on the list are valid links.

The reason why we believe Animesh Roy might be behind all this is that in his blog post he lists at least 3 malicious resources in the same way they are advertised on other websites that make part of his quite sophisticated phishing infrastructure that targets eXch, Majestic Bank and Coinomize mixer:


All 5 domains (or 6 including SWP[dot]CX) above are registered with Sarek.fi (aka Njalla). Sarek resells Tucows for domain zones unreachable for him directly (I say "him" because Njalla is a one-man operation by Peter Sunde) so you might see WHOIS of those on Tucows to show KN as a country of registrant and the company named "1337 services" which is Njalla aka Sarek.

Abuse mail boxes to report all domains: abuse@sarek.fi, domainabuse@tucows.com (except for SWP[dot]CX)

We invite everyone to contribute by emailing abuse reports to the above mailboxes. Additionally, in case you got a Github account, you can also contribute by reporting 2 repos mentioned above.

https://i.gifer.com/B6NA.mp4

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Feel free to join the second Raffle and try to win a Custom eXch Cryptosteel Capsule!  

[FREE RAFFLE] - Custom eXch Cryptosteel Capsule (#2)! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5488118.0)

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Offtopic, but I really like the new design of the website:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/03/08/yLIPl.png

Thank you for this paid2 and eXch! That is very nice from you.

I announced the contest in the Romanian translation of OP (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5472737.msg63780330#msg63780330) and it was also announced (by NeuroticFish) in another Romanian topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5361051.msg63780204#msg63780204), dedicated only to forum contests.

Other than this, it was nice to see the new rule, which allows users with 1000 merits to have 2 slots. I see it as a way to fill the spots faster but, at same time, as a nice gesture for those which managed to obtain 1000 merits -- which is not easy at all.

Here is my brief feedback after using eXch the first time. I used it via TOR with the browser security settings set at the highest level.

After the coin I wanted had enough in the reserves, I sent my BTC. The system picked it up quickly. After the first blockchain confirmation, eXch already sent my coins. Quick and simple.
Regarding the fees:
When you consider how expensive the Ethereum network is to work with, you understand that you will pay more than the 0.5% in fees advertised on the site. Of course, this isn't a fault of eXch, as they can't be blamed or praised for the state of any blockchain network. I ended up paying closer to 1.4% when I count the Ether fees.

Overall, it was a good experience, but one that could have been better if I could have used Tron for my USDT instead of the Ethereum network. I'd much rather pay $2 in fees than $20. 

Keep up the good work eXch!

The Ethereum network has long since become unusable for small transactions (I hope Bitcoin will not follow the same path). It's good that there are alternatives.

A few days ago I also used exch exchange, but because of the transaction cost, I chose LTC with a dynamic fee rate as an option. Like you, it was a great experience, everything was done very smoothly and quickly

btw. I like the new blue background, it suits me more than black.

I was certainly not discussing what's better or worse for mobile, but since you have mentioned Graphene OS, I will comment on that.

We have stopped using Graphene OS some years ago after its founder strcat aka Daniel Micay revealed his conflictive and hostile personality against people who disagree with him.

He bans anyone on IRC and Matrix who asks questions that he doesn't feel comfortable with instead of addressing them appropriately. He also admitted to have schizophrenia, which creates certain risks for a such project and its users given that he is still a main core maintainer. This doesn't mean he should step down and it's absolutely fine that someone has a mental disease, but the project should at least review its structure and make a bit more balanced maintainance.

Finally, Micay promotes and defends the opinion that Google Pixel phones are 100% free of hardware/firmware backdoors, which he can't know for sure, but instead of taking the neutral stance on this question he actually bans people from his communities who have different opinion. Our opinion is completely the opposite to his. You can find a lot of chat logs with many people he confronted on various security aspects that ended in a long-term conflict between them and even between projects. For example they are still "enemies" with CalyxOS and Micay accuses Calyx devs to run "propaganda" against Graphene.

You can find some of the logs of his conflictive behaviour on this site https://opinionplatform.org/grapheneos/ and I like how one of the subheadings is titled:


which is actually very relatable based on my personal experience interacting with their community that is unacceptable.

We currently use and sponsor DivestOS quite for a long time which is a solid alternative to Graphene OS. Its founder SkewedZeppelin is a long-time Graphene contributor and actually includes security patches from Graphene to his ROM, making it Lineage OS in the `usermode` build type (non-rootable) with Graphene OS security patches applied, which we believe an ideal OS for Android in terms of security and useability.

They have very good responsiveness in F-Droid thread: https://forum.f-droid.org/t/divestos-long-term-device-support-with-enhanced-privacy-and-security/10105

The total amount of our "secret" sponsorship to DivestOS during last 2 years surpasses 10000 USD, but there will be more and next time announced officially.


There is still a chance we will add TRC-20 USDT, just no ETA yet.


1. Then the order will convert itself into a backorder and offer you either an instant automatic refund or waiting indefinitely till sufficient reserve appears, on which event your order will be completed automatically. This order will be prioritized once there is reserves.

2. It was always possible since our system supports backordering. To create a backorder even when there is no balance on some coin, these are correct steps: 1. Go to our main page 2. Select a pair and enter a destination address 3. Click 'Exchange' without clicking 'Calculate'. This way the system will let you bypass reserves checks. Make sure you don't click 'Calculate' anywhere since it will define amounts and the system won't let you create the order anymore. After your order is created, you can send any amount then wait. The order will have exactly same behaviour as in the previous point "1" of this answer.

This is mainly why we have the message "You can start exchange without calculating and send any amount (calculation will be performed on receipt)" right to the "Exchange" button.

The only downside of such backorders is that we might force-refund your order any time without any prior notice, but this happens rarely.


Answered here by paid2: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577207.msg63763206#msg63763206

The app can store your created and imported order's history but you have an ability to wipe them. Other than that there is nothing that app collects and F-Droid's page describes everything in a very transparent way.


I believe your issue was solved via our support channels.


Awesome, thanks!


By the way, FixedFloat had no license nor a registered company in Seychelles. They are lying to their customers when they say they have a registered company. We have personally spoke with their hackers and were provided with a lot of evidence (along with some files from their server and a few database table dumps). FixedFloat is run by 3 anonymous russian carders and I will take a full responsibility for this accusation as I understand how serious it is. Check the update in my earlier post here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577207.msg63681724#msg63681724

We are still providing full information to interested users on that hack via private communication channels.

Moreover, we were mentioned in a Forbes article on that matter and even provided an interview to their journalist: https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2024/02/20/decentralized-and-non-kyc-crypto-exchange-hacked-for-26-million/


This background is temporary but I am glad you liked it. Once we deal with phishers (check my previous post) we will improve the previous background. There is also planned an optional JS version of site in the same way it is done on LocalMonero and some other similar sites (by adding an 'enable JS' toggle).

My first experience with you about the exchanger.
After this, I will no longer return to regular exchange offices. Thanks for your work.

I don't know if this is a typo. But you need to replace one letter
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I have a question about lightning

I see you need "Zero-amount invoices only"

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/03/10/yiTMv.png

I am using Aqua wallet, which has LN integrated. The minimum invoice is 1000 sats.

Will my 1000 sats invoice work?

Sorry if it is a dumb question, I have little experience with LN.

It is and is not a mistake.
It's not a mistake because previously, the official domain for this exchange was exch.cc, but due to certain problems, everything was later moved to exch.cx. you can see by the account name that opened this thread.
The mistake is probably that it has not been changed, the old domain should not be mentioned, it only introduces additional confusion.

This exchange is good and fees are okay, sometimes better compared to others and sometimes worse, but overall, fees are good, especially if we keep in mind that it's a non-kyc exchange. But OP, I think, it will be good if you take care of visual aspect. I am not going to teach you anything but if it's okay to give you advice, let me tell you that if I didn't know this exchange from Bitcointalk, I would never exchange here because website looks like a basic website written by a fresh graduate. I think that modern CSS gives us many possibilities without the use of javascript, so I'll be glad if you take care of visual side of this exchange.
Otherwise, wish you good luck and all the best. Also, how often do reserves get filled? I wanted to do BTC - Dash exchange but at the moment there is only 6.21 DASH available for exchange (not enough for me).

I hope you do. I don't see how it can harm your business. At the same time, you'll surely increase your client base, which brings more profit.

Excellent! So, that option was there all along, we just didn't know about it.

I have two follow up questions.

1. If my order becomes a backorder, will eXch use the exchange rate applicable at the time the reserves fill up and my order gets processed or the rate from when my deposit transaction confirmed? I am pretty sure it's the former, but let's see.

2. What are the possible reasons why a backorder gets refunded from your side? Is it fee related? If I began the exchange at a time when the mining fees for the coin I wanted were low, but then they doubled, would eXch process the order, request more for mining fees, or return the initial deposit?

I checked your FAQ section, but it doesn't mention any of this regarding backorders you just discussed. Perhaps you should add it, so your clients know such an option exists.


It depends on how soon someone will come and deposit DASH to eXch in exchange for a different cryptocurrency. eXch doesn't fill its own reserves. As soon as someone sends some DASH their way, the reserves will fill up.

Have there been any cases of USDT wallet blocking by the issuer(Tether) after an exchange on your exchange?
What guarantees do you give when exchanging my BTC for your USDT?

I don't think there is any case of usdt or any other coin from exch.cx getting blocked by centralized

They even have a known address in etherscan
https://etherscan.io/address/0xf1da173228fcf015f43f3ea15abbb51f0d8f1123

Remember that your privacy is your responsibility. You can send small amounts to exchanges to test, before acquiring large amounts.

Personally, I have send LTC that I acquired in exch.cx to another cex and didn't have any problems.

Yeah and if I remember correctly OP already stated earlier in this topic that they send frequently coins to some big CEXes without any problem/red flag

what will happen if someone sends stolen money to this USDT ETH address, and then it goes to the client from this address?

As far as I know, tether freeze coins by themselves,  in all blockchains.

The usdt will probably be frozen before getting into your hands.

For example:
https://tether.to/en/following-investigations-by-tether-okx-and-the-us-department-of-justice-tether-voluntarily-freezes-225m-in-stolen-usdt-linked-to-international-crime-syndicate/

Also, as paid2 said, exch.cx buy coins from CEX as well, exch.cx coins also comes from cex.

Just use DAI.

Isn't it obvious that this is a phishing website?
It has listed only bitcoin and monero with different service name.

I know about Micay and his weird behavior, but he is not active in public anymore for a while after one of his last incidents, and that doesn't mean that GrapheneOS is bad.
It's open source so anyone can check the code, but I wouldn't suggest blindly trusting any operating system for smartphones.
I try to use smartphones as little as possible and only when I need to do it.

I tried DivestOS before but it didn't work for me, that doesn't mean I won't try again in future, and it's always good to have competition.