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Title: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: Bicknellski on June 11, 2014, 08:36:19 AM Clearly there are a lot of people who have had issues with Technobit and Marto74.
This thread is for those who would like to post their complaints so that everyone in the community can see what has transpired without the needless trash and troll or deletion of other threads. This is a safe place to post your complaints and concerns. --------- Note we will be removing troll posts of Marto74 and others and they seem to want to spam post for no other reason than wasting their own time. So no need to react anyone their posts get removed. Let them waste their effort. He has his threads let him play there. If you have a complaint or want to add to the reasons you were screwed over by Technobit feel free to post. We want to make sure we keep the dog and pony show of Marto74 spread out over all his 7 to 10 threads he has, don't worry he will make more. When he reimburses everyone and stops cheating people then he is welcome to make the last post here and then we will lock the thread. Now that Marto74 has wasted better than half a day waiting for the next post... how about we just push the post until tomorrow. The games he is playing add up to lost time for him there are many ways to exact justice. Wasting his time is justice served given how many hours he has taken from his customers. Keep watching and waiting Marto74. We know you can't look away. Keep posting and wasting your minutes, hours, days, weeks and then months on this please, it is well worth it knowing you can't get this time back. --------- Updated List of Injured Parties [Group Buy] Avalon chips Escrow John K May 27, 2013, 18:09:59 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.0) darkfriend77: Requested 7% fees to be returned. Refuses to pay anything of what he promised out of spite. souspeed: Unkown. Min€r: Unkown. patica: Unkown. hacko.bg: Unkown. mbd4: Unkown. fex: Unkown. joeventura: Requested 7% fees to be returned as well as refund for chips. Refuses to pay anything of what he promised out of spite. souspeed: Unkown. varunsin: Unkown. pajak666: Requested 7% fees to be returned. Still no resolution. Betatester: Unkown. LainZ: Unkown. hookthem: Unkown. jkminkov: Unkown. TECHNOBIT S-HASH minig board and Bitfury October delivery chip distribution (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=293030.460) adami: Unkown. gcube1305: I have wait 3 month for a board that never came, but i've been refunded. oscurito23: Unkown. wallydz: Unkown. warhawk187: Unkown. vulgartrendkill: Unkown. easynote: Late delivery after many complaints. jammertr: Unkown. basd82: Unkown. whiteEAGLE: Unkown. ccfly: Unkown. streetuff: Unkown. seaandy: Refunded only after repeated hounding and posting in threads. Waited inordinately long for the refund. falinka: Unkown. wuzamarine: Poorly Hashing Unit. Unkown. lancelot6: Failed Unit. Replacement requested. Unkown. Moikka2: Unkown. dplusf: Unkown. cannachris: Unkown. hennessy10009: No refund even though it was requested. Sent completed board with others chips. Had to pester them daily on there forum. btcminer84: Asked for refund. Refund promised. Refund not sent. Miner to be shipped against wishes. No refund or miners sent. Still unresolved. Paratech: Still nothing delivered. No information and just empty promises. [ANN] Technobit HEX8A1 -240 GHs Coincraft A1 board-289 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg4745140#msg4745140) braindead: Where is my November order? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg4032584#msg4032584) sacskate: Just trying to give you guys a heads up, he still has lots of refunds and late orders to take care of, with no sense of urgency on his end to do so. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg4435050#msg4435050) Destiffmast: Why should I not be entitled for compensation same way as "older" customers and get a board from first batch? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg4502701#msg4502701) whiteEAGLE: I hope lot of people order this new miner, so Martin can send refund for older undelivered miners. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg4648098#msg4648098) Quote After a long wait and many compliant letters to Marto he was refund through paypal. "I´m done with him, no more orders." - whiteEAGLE southerngentuk: You told that guy you would refund him. For your own respect just do it. Where all tired of his posts, damn, even he is tired of his posts. But I quite see where he is coming from.. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg4795961#msg4795961) Wotan777: Refund and why don't you answer messages? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg4991007#msg4991007) Marto, please answer.Order ref is UICAWGFJD (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg5136683#msg5136683) roy7: In the mean time, ignoring the user prevents it from ever being noticed again. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg5090041#msg5090041) dspbuy: Please do not send me the miner now. It is too late. I have made the order more than 4 months ago, so the miner is now completely worthless (due to drop in BTC value and increase of mining difficulty). I would like to have my money back please (you may send me in BTC). (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg5137356#msg5137356) Do you realize that this is theft? Do we really need to escalate this? What do I need to do to get my money back? Go to the police? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg5141947#msg5141947) Pug: No delivery yet / order status "Preparation in progress" (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg5162436#msg5162436) wunch: I asked a question similar to this question on my order page but have not seen any response for 6 days. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg5247024#msg5247024) grana: I understand everything, but I paid 3 months ago, I no longer have patience! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg5386560#msg5386560) Here now everyone can see who they are Tehnobit and Martin Sirakov ... I want my money back! TEHNOBIT IS A SCAM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg5655537#msg5655537) TylerRice: Are you going to be getting units out on time. You was only 1 month late with my Hex16 board so not too bad, But yeah jsut wanted to see if we had a target time for my order (Ref: HTHYKSJQD) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg5738287#msg5738287) opodark: I never received answer for my order 23-11-2013 SZYESJVZP (1/2 week of december) , paid for express delivery and received in 07-01-2014 with standard courier. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg5898907#msg5898907) btcminer84: You told me, the refund need 10 days since 12 of December 2013. So, WHERE is my refund? I never got it. Order: FESYNGABJ placed on 2013-12-07 13:24:27 Payment: Bank Wire (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg6672431#msg6672431) glen123: Hi Marto : what about my RMA ? Order Reference IXRPCAXWX -- placed on 2014-04-25 About 20 Days Send 2 Emails to Office and on this Thread. Glen (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg6725600#msg6725600) Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: Biffa on June 11, 2014, 08:41:34 AM You should rise above all this Bick, really, it doesn't do you or your project credit.
Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: Bicknellski on June 11, 2014, 08:42:44 AM You should rise above all this Bick, really, it doesn't do you or your project credit. Not anymore getting spammed in PM's and in posts ended that. Pretty much done with the keep it civil and rise above it. Let us see how Marto74 enjoys a good PR campaign. It is time for people who have been pushed around by Marto74 and Loshia to stand up be counted. There are enough complaints here to make this thread viable. Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: AMT_miners on June 11, 2014, 08:54:40 AM No seeing this was kind of funny though, honestly.
It's complete crap, but it was funny. Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: AMT_miners on June 11, 2014, 09:00:27 AM You should rise above all this Bick, really, it doesn't do you or your project credit. Not anymore getting spammed in PM's and in posts ended that. Pretty much done with the keep it civil and rise above it. Let us see how Marto74 enjoys a good PR campaign. It is time for people who have been pushed around by Marto74 and Loshia to stand up be counted. There are enough complaints here to make this thread viable. We'll stand up against Loshia, any day. One day we're going to just eat him. MMmm... Cook him up right next to the beach at St. Vlas. A nice plate of Loshia with some shopska salad and a bit of rakia, with just one icecube.. can't wait. But we'll have to side with Marto. Bick, i don't know how far you're going to get with this one. Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: Bicknellski on June 11, 2014, 09:58:01 AM You should rise above all this Bick, really, it doesn't do you or your project credit. Not anymore getting spammed in PM's and in posts ended that. Pretty much done with the keep it civil and rise above it. Let us see how Marto74 enjoys a good PR campaign. It is time for people who have been pushed around by Marto74 and Loshia to stand up be counted. There are enough complaints here to make this thread viable. We'll stand up against Loshia, any day. One day we're going to just eat him. MMmm... Cook him up right next to the beach at St. Vlas. A nice plate of Loshia with some shopska salad and a bit of rakia, with just one icecube.. can't wait. But we'll have to side with Marto. Bick, i don't know how far you're going to get with this one. There are plenty of people that were burned. Evidence strewn all over the place. Be $1 be it $10,000. Doesn't matter much to me they want to keep PM'ing me and poking at the WPC and not accepting an invite to come explain their problem with us. Fine we can settle it here. I got no problem moderating threads and finding enough information to keep posting for months here. Got a long summer holiday all the time in the world for this hobby. Again they can try all the like to dig up dirt on me I wish them well. They kept pushing this is what you get. Also this way I don't have to keep PMing the mods and reporting the spam from Loshia... this way I can just keep things on track here. 1 thread to bind them all. Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: Bicknellski on June 11, 2014, 10:09:48 AM Let us start where most of this all began the Group Buy Thread. To set the tone for the selfish behavior that then led to him still owing people from that group buy. We will do this a day at a time so that we have some good insight into how Marto74 operates with others money and fails to listen to reason. This ultimately ends with a fair number of people still expecting payment from this group buy based his Marto74's promise to do so.
Other groups start process for full refund. There are groups with more then 60 days delay. With current difficulty trend any delay just killing the ROI. My suggestion is to go for refund after 2 weeks of delay there is no reason to wait more! If on 16-th of September 06:00 EET (GMT+2) there is not @ least shipping info I'll ask everybody in the group to vote with signed message to go for refund or not. But @the present state about 6500 chip orders , become miner boards orders so for now most of the group voted with their wallets to go for the chips.I think that most probably the refund if any will be done with the second batch and 1-st batch will be delivered, combining users with different wishes between both batches . But It is 2 weeks early for that I for my 32 chips i ordred ... vote for refund ... as soon as possible ... I don't understand anyone who still want to have chips which will do no ROI ... at all ... but it's not my thing to understand everybody ... Miner builders have a different point of view, as they probably have bought some material for the assembly ... but at this point we only ordred chips so far ... and better then getting them at the end of the year ... is a refund now as long Yifu is doing it marto74 I hope you are in contact with zefir and sebastianJu and all the other GB organizers ... to evaluate best solutions ... ... if some one wanna buy my chips .... order#32 chips 32 for 2.72 BTC ! Fun note: I held 782.1 BTC for our group buy and everyone got refunded immediately same chips later buy date. So I know the score very well on these chips. Great day indeed to get the refund and then distribute that coin as fast as possible back to everyone WITHOUT delay just like Zefir and other group buy leaders did no bs. Code: Status: 48955 confirmations Sebastian received refund from Avalon and already sent it to customers, fast and clean! Lets think again is the waiting is right strategy at moment... That is the problem. He thinks about what is best for himself not his customers. Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: Bicknellski on June 12, 2014, 01:35:11 AM Someone jumped the gun and ordered up some PCB's and forced GB members to take on his blunder and bail him out.
Still i don't understand why we are forced to take the boards and chips when there are other options. As Avalon has stated gen2 has the same footprint & pinout as the gen1 chips. As soon as those release people will want boards. Why not just refund the chips and hold the boards for gen2? People that want gen2 chips can hold their order until the new chips are delivered. And people that don't want to the hold the board for themselves could wait for a new gen2 customer to buy a board @ technobit after which refunds can be made. This option wouldn't hurt you in funds and could actually be of benefit since you now have boards in stock for quick assembly of gen2. Sure, there is no garantuee all boards would be bought by new customers. But at least a good portion of this GB could get refunded eventually. Everybody can get their chips refunded this way. I'd rather wait several months for a refund on the boards then having no chip refund at all. It beats having to wait three weeks for the boards to arrive lowering the ROI even further. Quite a few people were rightly pissed off at his do his way with their money tactics. Code: GB1,pajak666, 36 , 3.06 , 1P4J4Kcib7WEQGxtdcjEwXsDnDJ5BYkpPy, R Code: HCy/7QykWCBHThA2mAsTt9cBhxjJiHhsrwlhtuJINsAD/+RyemCqIydLcWuJUJjNgjYeDdFMqPFikyzh93sbWiQ= Marto that is so lame, you are delaying refund in every possible way. I belive all other Group Buyers did allow their participants to take refund and they done it really quick and smooth. you are delaying the refund for the whole time. Monday, monday came now we have to vote lol. Riddic signed messages voting just to get some more hours, just to receive that tracking info from Avalon. Really I didn't expected that from you. This is the sort of game he played right from day one. Then tries to get a double fee for the GB? Marto74 is asking for twice the compensation he asked for in the opening post. From the opening post: Quote 9. Pricing A: I am asking for a 9% surplus for my nerves (risk compensation). the 10k chips totaled to 782.1BTC, which results to a resale price of 0.085BTC / chip. 782.1BTC divided by ten Thousand chips equals 0.07821BTC / chip with the 9% fee it results in a chip of price of 0.085BTC / chip as advertised in the terms. (0,00679 BTC fee) With the new designers fee of 0,09*0,085=0,00765BTC. The total fees we pay to marto 74 equals a whopping 18,3% fee over the original chip price (excluding escrow fee) This is unacceptable and i demand that you remove the additional fee before sending the refund list to John K. This "Cash-in first, ask questions later" tactic is unacceptable. It should be the other around. to the other GB1 participants: If we don't have a satisfactory from marto by the end of the day, i urge everybody to contact John K to get the refund on hold before he runs with double the fee. Story will continue tomorrow but I don't have to tell people where this ends because some people are still fighting to get Marto to pay back what is owed from this group buy. Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: joeventura on June 12, 2014, 03:17:06 AM Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: warhawk187 on June 12, 2014, 04:00:44 AM As a former Technobit customer, their customer service was terrible from the start. Their S-hash boards were well built, but also failed to mention that power supplies weren't included on their poorly designed website.
I really wanted to have trust in them to buy more products but the more I troved this forum, the more late, or missing miners threads kept popping up. Needless to say, I'm not surprised in the slightest bit. But this type of behavior seems to be the norm in the Bitcoin mining industry, unfortunately, with a small handful of exceptions. Its sad what greed does to people. Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: jdot007 on June 12, 2014, 04:04:00 AM Just so we're clear Marto47 got the boards I ordered out to me
do your self a favor and use paypal otherwise if you do any other type of bare metal transaction and happen to fall on the wrong side of the Reality/Acceptable delivery time distortion field you'll be SOL. FYI I like Marto47's EE work!! but I wouldn't order from him again, fool me twice shame on me. J Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: Bicknellski on June 12, 2014, 10:45:40 AM Just so we're clear Marto47 got the boards I ordered out to me do your self a favor and use paypal otherwise if you do any other type of bare metal transaction and happen to fall on the wrong side of the Reality/Acceptable delivery time distortion field you'll be SOL. FYI I like Marto47's EE work!! but I wouldn't order from him again, fool me twice shame on me. J Think this is a typical scenario for many people. Early warning signs were there in the Group Buy. Never really accepts responsibility for his inactions and over reactions. Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: Bicknellski on June 12, 2014, 04:29:31 PM There are only a few from Avalon GB1, that ask for a fee refunD You promised me a refund for the fee when you have the money. Do you have it now? Good question. Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: joeventura on June 12, 2014, 08:41:05 PM Wish we had an answer
Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: btcminer84 on June 12, 2014, 08:55:43 PM Never got hardware or a refund. Technobit is a scammer company.
Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: dave111223 on June 12, 2014, 11:23:09 PM They never delivered my hardware but I did manage to get a refund out of Marto by harassing the crap out of him on these forums.
Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: jdot007 on June 12, 2014, 11:52:43 PM Dave,
Would you consider yourself a happy Technobit customer under these circumstances? The reason I ask is because I seriously "think" that Marto47 and team think that they've done right by you despite any mistakes on their part. Please explain your experience cliff notes style with a link to the reverent info or a img of your pm's ect. I plan to do the same. He basically is saying in my case that he is square with me (has completed his obligation within the rules of the forum and his website) Truthfully I did try to sell the units that I did get in spite of asking for a refund, but honestly its too late to sell 5-7gh equipment. Please let us know the ends and outs of your experience with Technobit. J Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: Bicknellski on June 13, 2014, 03:18:03 AM So where did we leave off?
Yes ok Marto has just "doubled" his fees, error in one tired GB members calculations, for the GB and has for weeks delayed and delayed as much as he could so that he could get those chips and build the boards he had ordered BEFORE even having the chips tsk tsk tsk. He had to cover his ass and then sell his boards or face ruin and so he ignored the majority of the people in the GB wanted for 2 weeks. Johnthedong Sends in refund request on September 18th 2013. Code: Quote Marto74 finally posts the refund notice most of the group buy members wanted for weeks: Code:
Members of the GB request confirmation that emails are being received in order to pin Marto74 down on this because he is not keeping a public list or confirming emails are received. Piss poor accounting and transparency another group of things Marto74 needs to reflect upon. Code: Can you confirm the emails you received ... or can you give us a list of missing confirmations refund or chips? And finally he gets around to posting the list of refunds on September 21st, 2013 and then slips in more fees to the GB members changing the terms. Code: So here is a list of requested refunds with signed emails to be made immediately in sunday after 18:00 GMT : And people complain for his "design" fee. What a crook! Code: Re: [Group buy] Avalon chips Escrow John K / Please send your e-mails until Friday and a few others complain about it Code: agreed. Also there was no word on the HEX16 being designed at the start And now he gets angry and defensive to the GB member who rightfully question his slick attempt to skim off more from the customers. Code: Quote from: jkminkov on September 21, 2013, 16:16:40 And the customer rightfully explains his frustrations... tune in tomorrow to see where Marto74 tries to weasel people next. There is a clear pattern here with Marto74. People should really avoid this guy it is clear even at this stage he has little intention of helping solve problems but rather solve his own problems at the expense of his customers. Code: September 21, 2013, 17:39:14 Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: joeventura on June 13, 2014, 11:30:40 AM Its overwhelming the amount of people Technobit/Marto have screwed over.
Not delivering, Making up and changing Group buy rules as he sees fit, Using other peoples money that he did not earn to develop his toy miners, then trying to defend these actions. He even admitted that he did many of these things and still is not interested in making it right. Just be warned that this kind of behavior does not go unnoticed and people like me who Marto has ripped off for over $1000 are not going to go away quietly. Avoid Technobit and Marto at all costs you will not be sorry. Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: Bicknellski on June 14, 2014, 05:01:52 AM So where did we leave off last time fellow bitcoin enthusiasts? Right Marto74 was just asking his GB patrons to pay him "more" for all his "hard work" for the failed GB and the delaying tactics.
The refunds go out on September 28th 2013. Code: John (John K.) And let's faster forward to the 25 days later and wait to see when Marto pays off what he owes... Code: Re: [Group buy] Avalon chips Escrow John K / Please check refund list until Sunday And the asking continues... Code: darkfriend77 and continues... Code: darkfriend77 and continues... Code: darkfriend77 It is still going on... believe it or not Marto74 has yet to refund those people the fees as he promised back in September 2013. Sad. But he owes people BTC so all you can say realistically is he is a crook. At what point do people wake up and smell the coffee about this low life and stop doing business with him? You don't get to ignore the people you ripped off Marto74 because they complain. You need to fulfill your promises. Tune in tomorrow as we delve deeper into late delivery and other "mishaps" from Technobit and show how this pattern of disregard for customers is really based on Marto74's failures to make his customers whole. It baffles the mind that people continue to do business with this guy given his behaviour. Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: Bicknellski on June 14, 2014, 05:17:43 AM https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.msg3886812#msg3886812
I'm not able to commit with end date @ the moment. As soon I'm able to do it I'll hold my word. probably hold my word has a different meaning there ... I hate to use this comparison but that sure sounds like the same excuses Josh Zerlan and Slok love to use then go buy McMansions with your BTC. This guy Marto74 can't be trusted to deliver on his word. You need to avoid this guy until he makes good on these promises and given that he really has no ethical base and loves to change the "rules" as he sees fit to suit his mood, I doubt any of these GB patrons are every going to get their BTC back. What a crook. Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: joeventura on June 14, 2014, 12:32:12 PM Did some Google searches and found this:
http://www.likelyanswer.com/12144327/Technobiteu--Marto74-Bfl-style-Scammer He has no fans remaining they are posting everywhere! Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: Bicknellski on June 15, 2014, 06:13:19 AM So we left off with clear evidence that Marto74 still has a promise to refund BTC to a number of members of his group buy since September 2013. Now we will shift gears and have a deeper look into one customer and his complaints and final assessment of Marto74 / Technobit. This I would say is the model for most of what was going on in the October 2013 to February 2014 period and beyond where I suspect Marto74 / Technobit was either undercapitalized or had made some form of design / just in time parts ordering errors and chose to cover the fact with some pretty shifty games with delivery and delaying of refunds. This overlaps the group buy time frame and issues as well and funny haven't we seen him delay refunds before? Yes. Yes we have.
Order Placed November 10th, 2013 Code:
Partial delivery of order December 5th, 2013 Code: December 05, 2013, 22:20:17 Next day... Code: 2xHEX16A2 (one for a friend) and a few Nano's - ordered 10th November Week rolls by... customer postulates that Marto74 cancelled the order. (Empty box?) Code: One week on - I am still waiting - given that UPS Express quote Another week goes by... and then Technobit no longer accepts PayPal big WARNING SIGN to everyone in bitcointalk right? Code: +1 - my second order has not arrived still - Marto74 talks rubbish about And here is the end of the things on December 16, 2013. You can see the pattern. Why would there be a CANCELLED shipment? One could easily note that Marto74 probably shipped an empty box and then cancelled the order. There are more than a few cases where Marto74's boxes seem to either go missing or are shipping delayed or lost. It is amazing. Code: So, after several messages Marto74 finally gave me a refund thus proving And Marto74 naturally reacts to the customer who questions his truthfulness with anger and a good helping of fuck you customer. Marto74 seems to behave as if he has some sort affliction something akin Narcissistic Personality Disorder. It fits and I have personally seen PM's and posts that certainly attest to the fact Marto74 has a psychotic disproportionate response to polite suggestions that he work on his customer relationship management. He loves to threaten to end you in no uncertain terms. Beware he is certainly unstable and will go to any lengths to maintain his perception of his world view, seriously he is such a great guy <sarcasm implied>. Narcissistic people operate from an image they hold of themselves in their mind. They do not operate from the reality of feelings in their body. This does not mean they do not feel. It means their feelings are generated by what they believe about themselves and others in their head. They do not “test” these beliefs through “real” interactions with people. Because they froze the ability to feel at a young age, they never have the opportunity to correct the picture they hold of themselves in their mind. We all hold pictures of ourselves in our head. We are willing or desire to change these pictures of ourselves on the basis of feedback from others and through an accurate assessment of who we are. When the narcissist is confronted with a reality of who they are and that differs from their mental picture, they discount the information. If the information persists or gets stronger they will rage at the information or the informer. Because they are frozen inside, they have to cling to the image they hold. If you try to go in deeper, you will discover that there is no depth to the person. The narcissist knows that and will prevent you from going beneath the surface at all costs. Any penetration of the surface reveals the emptiness they experience from within. (http://www.sociopathicstyle.com/narcissistic-personality-disorder/) Let us let Melb summarize here: Quote December 17, 2013, 07:29:58 Post #30 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333097.msg4001449#msg4001449) My situation was a little different. I placed my first order on 10th November - and this was delivered a little late but that was ok as I was being kept updated by the general released email to everyone on the Technobit list. I was happy to wait and the goods came through especially as I could see the tracking information showing progress. The goods were well built and performance good for the price. My second order I placed 3 days after the first (I took a gamble) - I ordered some more Nanofuries and purchased a couple of 10 way hubs (now redundant) to run them. When the status first changed to 'shipped' there was a tracking number and when I typed this is it said 'canceled' 'system return'... Now, that is a perfectly valid reason for me wanting to know what was going on... So I didn't post on the open forum I PM'd Marto... He replied (the last I had) that the boards were returned for unknown reason and that he would send them out UPS Express the next day at his expense. The next day was 4th December - after a couplle of days I PM'd requesting a new UPS tracking number. I followed this up over the next few days with requests to be told what was going on etc - these were to threads that Marto views as well as PM's. This was not a situation of just waiting because I am pretty sure that waiting for my elusive package would have resulted in the expiry of Paypal dispute time and ultimately the expiry of chargeback time and I would then still have no goods... Given that Marto had said that he was going to UPS Express them to me - I took that word on trust - he betrayed that trust and that is something you should not do for customers you wish to keep. Of course BFL are just as bad but comparing another bad example does not make the Technobit situation right! With the nature of mining hardware speed is of the essence and of course delays cost money... Everyone knows the Terrahash units are going to appear early in the new year - when these appear 24GH/s / 40GH/s boards will become extremely diluted in the pool with those big boys and revenue from these will plummet. So at this stage of the game even a small delay could mean the difference between profit and loss from mining. Which is exactly why 'In Hand' stuff on Ebay does fetch a premium because it is a known quantity which removes some of the gamble. I don't feel as though I have done anything wrong by requesting a refund as Marto/Technobit could not provide me with some communication as to what was happening to my apparently 'shipped' order. I wasn't waiting for it to be built according to our previous communications (when they existed). I see possible evidence here on these pages that suggests he has ripped people off (but to be fair I can only judge by the postings here) - at the same time I know from personal experience he can deliver the goods and they are of good quality. But I would ask one question to those now waiting.... Do you not think it a little odd that Marto is happy to promote January shipping orders and working hard to ship December orders - at the same time as blatantly ignoring those waiting for information about undelivered October and November orders? That to me has alarm bells ringing! I hope I am wrong - but I have been in this same situation before (not with Technobit or Marto) where the continuation of the business and the fulfillment of old orders relied on the ever increasing generation of new orders - in other words in my previous situation it was a ponzi... Those in at the right time profited but when it collapsed I was one of the many that lost out. This is bearing all the wrong hallmarks of a sustainable business. I hope for all those waiting and even for Marto himself that he does change his business ethics... Some words of wisdom for Marto himself - if you have a rapidly expanding business you have to build the structure at the same time as that acts as the skeleton (pillars) that holds your business together - this is standard business knowledge to anyone that has successfully grown their own business and widely taught in business schools/colleges. Melb Has Marto74 changed his ways? Does it really matter? If you are going to risk thousands of dollars with a business that acts in this manner in the past when things get really tough or tight what do you think they are going to do? Are they going to make the customer whole? Are they going to do what is ethically and legally required? Are they going to communicate clearly about delays? Are they going to fly off the handle because of a personality disorder? Remember this is just one case. More to come tomorrow. If you were buggered badly by Marto74 and want your story to be highlighted in this way just PM me and I go through all the board posts and layout the history of how you get fucked over by Marto74. I would really like to get a sense of what losses people incurred as result of these false deliveries and subsequent months of waiting for units that were never even built by Marto74. Given just the last few days of delving into this there are plenty of victims here and it would even be worthy of class action given the lengths Marto74 went to delay refunds just in the few forum reference searches I have done. This problem is far more worse than just a few angry people not getting units there is a systematic attempt to delay and misdirect and lie to customers about the nature of the products being in stock covering up the fact that many of the boards being sold were pre-orders. Let me see how many of these complaints pan out in this way but you have to know that dealing with a company like this is just not safe given the lengths they go to hide what they are really up to. I would recommend no one order at all from Technobit until they make good on refunds and reimbursements should there be outstanding complaints. Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: joeventura on June 15, 2014, 11:25:59 PM It is not likely he will change his ways
Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: Bicknellski on June 16, 2014, 03:30:13 AM Let us continue with what happens if you are very polite and patient for months waiting and waiting on Technobit and Marto74. How does one get treated? Do you get apologies and support? This customer was for months patient polite and gave Technobit every opportunity to rectify the situation properly but in the end it required aggressive and unrelenting badgering of Marto74 to get a resolution as a last resort.
The amount time and money that was wasted without any compensation is simply unacceptable. You do not have to buy from someone like this anymore so please everyone in the bitcoin community DO NOT BUY from TECHNOBIT. Unfortunately he stumbled on Marto74's threads before all of the shit hit the fan in July 11, 2013, but soon there was plenty of evidence from the group buy to foreshadow what was going to happen here. #156 July 11, 2013, 14:53:52 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212031.msg2704511#msg2704511) Code: southerngentuk Orders starts August 05, 2013. #245 August 05, 2013, 14:36:25 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212031.msg2869147#msg2869147) Code: southerngentuk Request for better book keeping so that you can see clearly what the GB chip dates are. #299 August 17, 2013, 15:15:53 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212031.msg2950212#msg2950212) Code: southerngentuk Technical questions begin #480 October 17, 2013, 10:46:43 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212031.msg3353510#msg3353510) Code: southerngentuk Marto promises "Do not wory" October 25, 2013 #519 October 25, 2013, 16:28:17 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212031.msg3408142#msg3408142) Code: southerngentuk Prophetic remark "I really hope this problem is resolved before..." October 30, 2013 #559 October 30, 2013, 19:57:29 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212031.msg3441854#msg3441854) Code: southerngentuk December 05, 2013 polite request for updates #673 December 05, 2013, 03:42:52 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212031.msg3825712#msg3825712) Code: southerngentuk "ALL outstanding Hex16a to be shipped in next few days" - Marto74 on December 05, 2013 #678 December 05, 2013, 15:55:51 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212031.msg3832691#msg383269) Code: southerngentuk "Hoping these are shipped now?" - SoutherngentUK December 16, 2013, 12:09:32 #694 December 16, 2013, 12:09:32 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212031.msg3986968#msg3986968) Code: southerngentuk Southerngentuk has been waiting for 4 x Hex16A boards since 2013-09-20 #707 December 17, 2013, 07:39:50 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212031.msg4001546#msg4001546) Code: southerngentuk Still no tracking numbers December 23, 2013 #722 December 23, 2013, 16:20:31 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212031.msg4101310#msg4101310) Code: southerngentuk Mild protest and reason why he won't buy more from Technobit in a polite respectful tone on December 29, 2013. #730 December 29, 2013, 09:57:24 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212031.msg4196044#msg4196044) Code: southerngentuk Understanding and polite suggestions for better handling of the situation on December 31, 2013. #737 December 31, 2013, 14:48:11 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212031.msg4233661#msg4233661) Code: southerngentuk More technical questions being asked. Still polite and supportive of Technobit and Marto74. #739 December 31, 2013, 17:33:43 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212031.msg4235670#msg4235670) Code: southerngentuk SoutherngentUK has waited another month for Technobit. Polite reminder on January 14, 2014. #761 January 14, 2014, 13:24:33 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212031.msg4500247#msg4500247) Code: southerngentuk Still restrained but questioning why Marto is ignoring those with outstanding orders on January 18, 2014. #768 January 18, 2014, 03:18:36 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212031.msg4569881#msg4569881) Code: southerngentuk Breaking the silence and politely posting the truth about Marto74's lies and failures on January 21, 2014. #772 January 21, 2014, 07:49:54 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212031.msg4632027#msg4632027) Code: southerngentuk From here on out from January till the conclusion of this sorry tale SoutherngentUK acts in polite and concerned tones... please review what Marto74's does. It really is shocking how someone can turn it around and blame a customer like this who for over 4 months was polite and supportive of Marto74 and Technobit. When things go wrong... Marto74 fails to take responsibility, pay off his debts until you put a large amount of pressure on him to do what is required. Ethically he has not compulsion to do what is right and it is always the customer that has to drag him to the reality he is a worthless pos. Follow along to the end. Same exact blame laid on the customer by Marto74 and it takes a concerted campaign to finally get Marto74 to pay his debt. This is just 2 such customers there are plenty more. Tune in tomorrow for another story. Just arrived!!! http://imagize[Suspicious link removed]ageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/19/v0pt.jpg http://imagize[Suspicious link removed]ageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/607/uouz.jpg http://imagize[Suspicious link removed]ageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/34/avjv.jpg Now the fight is to get the excessive postage somehow, because we paid 132€ of postage for a urgent. Marto74, actually is doing some improvement on the client assistance now and I think that's the good way to do it. I use http://postimage.org/ (http://postimage.org/) as no registration required congrats on finally getting something Let all face a bit of reality. Marto please confirm that are boards have NOT been produced yet. Please confirm to the best of your knowledge when you expect production to take place. Please be honest.. Bump, trying to be nice here. >:( I finally got my boards, did not have enough time to test all, but what I can says for now is 3 boards consume around 400+ Watts at 480mhz 1.45v and hash somewhere about 7ghash I will post pictures and more info hopefully before monday. Glad you got your order, mine is with speedy ( in sofia if u believe there tracking). Did you get a I understand you frustration, but please do understand that all last hex16a (avalon1) orders were to be combined in 1 batch on PCB and PnP house. It is not possible to be produced in batches of 2 or 7 or 15 pcs, or it is going to be too expensive. On the side of customer support We have a lot to improve and We are going to. Again We are sorry for the terrible customer service that We did or did not provide you. We are thinking of some kind of present for all of you that will have orders shipped late. We wish you Merry Christmas and happy new year Martin I finally got my boards, did not have enough time to test all, but what I can says for now is 3 boards consume around 400+ Watts at 480mhz 1.45v and hash somewhere about 7ghash I will post pictures and more info hopefully before monday. Glad you got your order, mine is with speedy ( in sofia if u believe there tracking). Did you get a I understand you frustration, but please do understand that all last hex16a (avalon1) orders were to be combined in 1 batch on PCB and PnP house. It is not possible to be produced in batches of 2 or 7 or 15 pcs, or it is going to be too expensive. On the side of customer support We have a lot to improve and We are going to. Again We are sorry for the terrible customer service that We did or did not provide you. We are thinking of some kind of present for all of you that will have orders shipped late. We wish you Merry Christmas and happy new year Martin :) And please tell us how much you paid for transport ???? 2 EUR for packing ,maybe ? http://s3.postimg.org/97h9jn2g3/Technobit.jpg Surely you have access to your own website ? Do I get a Mug Now ? "[T]he boards where not ready were they." - SoutherngentUK. This range of posts is important. Typically Marto74 after literally months of ignoring his customer turns back on that customer regarding his failure to send things properly. When in fact Marto74 never started the fabrication of boards as promised. Probably because it was unprofitable for him. jammertr how long did you wait for the boards? ...if it was 3 months... i feel for you man :) ordered on Sep 20th, chips sent on Sep 26th, received Jan 21st. First sorry for the bad experience. How did you sent the chips ? What kind of transport did you choose with your order? Why are you trying to turn this on us? You had my chips*, and I payed for my shipping*, you expressed no problems on our part back in December or again in early January. And I have not seen a post where you have said our orders are ready, get your shipping to collect. It is not fair to blame us, even if some of us did not pay for shipping, the boards where not ready were they. To imply that this is in some way the fault of your customers is damn insulting. *It would appear that tracking by DHL does not work once packages get on Bulgarian soil, and you have ignored my requests to confirm that you where in receipt of the chips. *At the time of my first order, I believed that you where looking for alternative shipping options as speedy was so costly, so I did not initially pay for shipping. I payed for shipping on my second order and asked you to combine shipping. I will pay you for any extra costs that you incur for this, once you send me a PM with the amount and a payment address (in BTC) as I promised to do so. In fact I insist on this. I am a man of my word and despite the poor service my honor is paramount. NOW, would you please confirm that the correct documents have been issued as my tracking lists the parcel has not left there office in Sofia yet. Order 1 ordered on Sep 20th, chips sent on Sep 27th, received Not Yet Order 2 ordered on Oct 17th, chips sent on Oct 17th, received Not Yet Order 1 ordered on Sep 20th, chips sent on Sep 27th, received Not Yet Order 2 ordered on Oct 17th, chips sent on Oct 17th, received Not Yet Thanks Marto, you have shipped to my old address, am trying to trace and recover the package now and will get back to you with the outcome. From the 5th December Quote AYUUFRQBR 2013-10-17 DKRCWFOLN 2013-09-20 Please can I have an update on my orders, and confirmation you have received my change of address. No responses from your support. ALL outstanding Hex16a to be shipped in Order 1 ordered on Sep 20th, chips sent on Sep 27th, received Not Yet Order 2 ordered on Oct 17th, chips sent on Oct 17th, received Not Yet Just for Fun Lets take the order date of Oct 17th and allow 4 weeks for delivery. December 17th On December 17th Difficulty for my 28GH order was @ 908,350,862 and would earn 0.10851498 BTC a week Today's Estimated Next Difficulty: 3,189,170,996 @ 95GH would earn 0.10486513 BTC a week But hey wait, I don't have them yet do I ! I'm in the same order group as you if I'm not mistaken. This was sobering as I did the maths and Marto would owe me an additional 400ghz to to currently earn what I would have if he delivered within his 4 week window. I doubt there will be any type of customer care here, he already got what he came for. Even buying with paypal is a huge risk as seen by the Marto/btcminer84 fiasco. Yeh, its quite some hit, I really think its time that some offer was made. However just getting the GH paid for, seems a huge issue at the moment.Its a real shame as I believe they are good products and I think martin is really good at the technical aspects of his projects. Unfortunately, I believe anyone making future purchases should seriously consider time dependent escrow arrangements. PM sent, please check.. Martin, Speedy have provided more details, DHL arranged the international shipping They then assigned a local firm who have delivered the package. They said this will NOT be covered by Insurance as the package is delivered to the correct Address. >:( More information sent in PM.. I'm busy with hex8a1 @ the moment If they refuse insurance I'll ship anyway replacement power in wednesday I'm busy with hex8a1 @ the moment If they refuse insurance I'll ship anyway replacement power in wednesday sorry PM was sent..would you accept replacement power of HEX16A2 ( C) Avalon 2 based ? If so , please PM me the correct address so I'll ship to it Please send me tracking number, I don't want to miss it. :o sorry PM was sent..would you accept replacement power of HEX16A2 ( C) Avalon 2 based ? If so , please PM me the correct address so I'll ship to it Please send me tracking number, I don't want to miss it. :o sorry PM was sent..would you accept replacement power of HEX16A2 ( C) Avalon 2 based ? If so , please PM me the correct address so I'll ship to it Please send me tracking number, I don't want to miss it. :o I'm busy with hex8a1 @ the moment If they refuse insurance I'll ship anyway replacement power in wednesday I'm busy with hex8a1 @ the moment If they refuse insurance I'll ship anyway replacement power in wednesday I'm busy with hex8a1 @ the moment If they refuse insurance I'll ship anyway replacement power in wednesday \/ I would like a refund now please. 1CUXbvfqud3vGmeHBDzbJzwqd3dMcjn7Di SouthergentUK takes Marto to task and lays out every LIE told by Marto74 and sets in stone how Marto74 for months had been deceptive and basically committing outright fraud. Reading this section is all one needs to understand what Marto74 does to make sure he covers his own financial problems at the expense of the customer. Your hardware was delivered on the address given in your account >>>>>>> lies,this was updated last year, would you like me to find the post where you confirmed my change of address http://s27.postimg.org/72rfj6w1v/Technobit2.jpghttp://www.speedy.bg/begin.php?nccharset=173FA2FA&shipmentNumber=60071014938&lang=en You claimed it is lost . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You sent it to the wrong address and have been provided proof by speedy We agreed to send replacement power. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes but you have not sent it You did not answer on our E-mail for confirmation of your new address? >>>>>>>> my address is correct on my account page and has been since i changed it in December, confirmed by yourself on this forum. All your emails have been answered in your website by the link provided in the email as instructed, may I suggest you check your website for errors. I will refund assembly service fee imidiately. >>>>Please do this. my address is above.. As for the chips I can send them to you if you confirm delivery address >>>>>You Have this on my account page postcode 4852 Do not forget that your paid hardware is not in us and with somebody @ your first address. <<< by your error, it is 1200 kms from my current location and I have had no luck contacting them. Best Martin Dear forum/thread members... I have received a refund for my order (marto still has those now useless chips, my loss). Four months has passed since the expected delivery date, therefore I do not in anyway feel satisfied. This does however bring an element of closure so I can stop pestering in Marto's threads. My apologies to all who have had to put up with my constant posts, I wish it could have been done in a different manner but when PM's are Ignored it leaves little options. Regards to all SoutherngentUK Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: Bicknellski on June 16, 2014, 02:15:16 PM Running through the list for just two threads there are a number people we hope to contact who may still be owed refunds or miners. PM me if you see your name on the list below if you want to be added. We are trying to get a more accurate number of people who either need restitution or have been burned by Marto74 and Technobit.
Clearly there are a lot of people who have had issues with Technobit and Marto74. This thread is for those who would like to post their complaints so that everyone in the community can see what has transpired without the needless trash and troll or deletion of other threads. This is a safe place to post your complaints and concerns. --------- Updated List of Injured Parties [Group Buy] Avalon chips Escrow John K May 27, 2013, 18:09:59 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.0) darkfriend77: Requested 7% fees to be returned as well as refund for chips. Refuses to pay anything of what he promised out of spite. dimomit: Unkown. Min€r: Unkown. patica: Unkown. hacko.bg: Unkown. mbd4: Unkown. fex: Unkown. joeventura: Requested 7% fees to be returned as well as refund for chips. Refuses to pay anything of what he promised out of spite. souspeed: Unkown. varunsin: Unkown. pajak666: Requested 7% fees to be returned. Still no resolution. Betatester: Unkown. LainZ: Unkown. hookthem: Unkown. jkminkov: Unkown. TECHNOBIT S-HASH minig board and Bitfury October delivery chip distribution (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=293030.460) adami: Unkown. gcube1305: Unkown. oscurito23: Unkown. wallydz: Unkown. warhawk187: Unkown. vulgartrendkill: Unkown. easynote: Late delivery after many complaints. jammertr: Unkown. basd82: Unkown. whiteEAGLE: Unkown. ccfly: Unkown. streetuff: Unkown. seaandy: Refunded only after repeated hounding and posting in threads. Waited inordinately long for the refund. falinka: Unkown. wuzamarine: Poorly Hashing Unit. Unkown. lancelot6: Failed Unit. Replacement requested. Unkown. Moikka2: Unkown. dplusf: Unkown. cannachris: Unkown. hennessy10009: No refund even though it was requested. Sent completed board with others chips. Had to pester them daily on there forum. btcminer84: Still owed for miners. No refund. No miners. Paratech: Still nothing delivered. No information and just empty promises. Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: joeventura on June 16, 2014, 03:02:39 PM Just got a PM from a Marto customer (I won't reveal name unless he says its ok) who said that Marto had his money for almost 9 months and refused to refund it until he removed the negative feedback.
1. He is blackmailing his customers so they can get a refund 2. He is refunding 9 month old purchases which is definitive proof that he took money and providing nothing in return and now in an effort to try and recover some credibility he is trying to refund a few people but won't do it unless they agree to remove the truth. Just very sad. Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: Bicknellski on June 16, 2014, 03:06:48 PM Just got a PM from a Marto customer (I won't reveal name unless he says its ok) who said that Marto had his money for almost 9 months and refused to refund it until he removed the negative feedback. 1. He is blackmailing his customers so they can get a refund 2. He is refunding 9 month old purchases which is definitive proof that he took money and providing nothing in return and now in an effort to try and recover some credibility he is trying to refund a few people but won't do it unless they agree to remove the truth. Just very sad. Yes he keeps learning Joe. He deletes any records of complaints in more recent sales threads and the customer echo chamber thread where only positive comments are kept. If anyone from his [ANN] Technobit 60 Ghs HEX16B(Bitfury v.2 based) 16 chip board design - 149 EUR sales has a complaint we will hear them here but clearly he will not refund people who speak out. People have to avoid this pos company. You just can't trust him to deliver on time or refund promptly. The only way to get any reputation back at this point is to refund everyone he owes. He probably doesn't even know who he owes at this point given there is quite a large number who have already complained. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=519198.msg6067557#msg6067557 postings about problems with non-delivery or scaaaam etc... wil be deleted without order ref stated. Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: joeventura on June 16, 2014, 05:40:37 PM UPDATE
Just got a PM from a Marto customer (I won't reveal name unless he says its ok) who said that Marto had his money for almost 9 months and refused to refund it until he removed the negative feedback. 1. He is blackmailing his customers so they can get a refund 2. He is refunding 9 month old purchases which is definitive proof that he took money and providing nothing in return and now in an effort to try and recover some credibility he is trying to refund a few people but won't do it unless they agree to remove the truth. Same Group buy I was in where he didnt refund my money because of his GB rules, he refunded this guy. Thief and a hypocrite Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: Bicknellski on June 16, 2014, 06:02:59 PM "I simply asked gently for the last 3 months !
It would seem some get better treatment than others. Feel free to search my profile posts to see I have tried to handle this in a mature patient manner, and yet marto has made accusations that it was my own fault to save face when clearly he has some large failings in his business. I feel it a great shame as his products are good and I would of liked to have purchased and received a lot of them in different circumstances. However I purchased gen 1 of his miners which seem to of been deliberately pushed to the back of production to for-fill more technically superior products. When Marto should of been making Apologies he was making Accusations, this really does not help customers confidence. When you have been waiting 3 months and the supplier implies it is your fault most people see RED. Now either martin is extremely arrogant or his website has some serious faults that is leading to all these problems, only martin knows the answer too that." - southergentuk I tried to outline southerngentuk struggle with Marto. I think he really sums it up here in this reply to another Marto74 customer gcube1305. Dear forum/thread members... I have received a refund for my order (marto still has those now useless chips, my loss). Four months has passed since the expected delivery date, therefore I do not in anyway feel satisfied. This does however bring an element of closure so I can stop pestering in Marto's threads. My apologies to all who have had to put up with my constant posts, I wish it could have been done in a different manner but when PM's are Ignored it leaves little options. Regards to all SoutherngentUK I have been refunded too, but i did not use the huge red letter method... I Simply asked gently (3 times ;)) It would seem some get better treatment than others. Feel free to search my profile posts to see I have tried to handle this in a mature patient manner, and yet marto has made accusations that it was my own fault to save face when clearly he has some large failings in his business. I feel it a great shame as his products are good and I would of liked to have purchased and received a lot of them in different circumstances. However I purchased gen 1 of his miners which seem to of been deliberately pushed to the back of production to for-fill more technically superior products. When Marto should of been making Apologies he was making Accusations, this really does not help customers confidence. When you have been waiting 3 months and the supplier implies it is your fault most people see RED. Now either martin is extremely arrogant or his website has some serious faults that is leading to all these problems, only martin knows the answer too that.. Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: joeventura on June 16, 2014, 11:25:31 PM I have been asking since Oct 2013
Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: Bicknellski on June 17, 2014, 01:55:29 AM So we get it. If you complain too much then you get nothing. If you complain a little you wait 4 to 9 months for anything until you complain just a bit more or loud enough to see results. What do people get now? Nothing? At this point you know the community isn't going to simply accept that sort of behaviour. It is clear you run a huge risk of never seeing your money or your miners. And if you so much as complain you get nothing. So where have we seen this before? BFL? HashFast? AMT? KnC? BA? Bitmine.ch? Cointerra? Just one more joke to add the list of companies that seems to think it is ok to hold community coins for as long as they like with no repercussions. Just don't buy from Technobit it is clear they do not want to be professional. Look at Marto74's behavior is that what you would expect from a professional?
Those are the actions of a disturbed individual struggling to reconcile his unethical behaviour with his a false perception of what a great and noble guy he is giving the world his great gift of miners. Great you are an engineer thanks but lose the attitude. Borderline Personality Disorder? It seems the more you pinpoint the problem the more he lashes out rather than finding a compromise position and resolving disputes in a professional manner. Remember what happened to southerngentuk it didn't matter he was polite or professional Marto74 still tried to turn it around on him. Same with this instance. Trying to deflect blame rather than take responsibility. There are 6 year olds with better social and negotiating skills than Marto74. Next story out tomorrow. Industry standards: (http://www.mediabistro.com/insidebitcoins/hong-kong/agenda.asp) "Consumer getting burnt being commonplace in mining, is it prime time to start setting the bar high and protecting the consumer?" I am sure a short case study question to this panel on best practices will yield an interesting response. I wonder what they will think of the situation for Joe, Darkfriend77 or southerngentuk as well as the BFL 6 month refunds? Is the right response to customer complaints ignoring them and then blacklisting or shifting blame to people who are trying to get the truth out? I wonder what Technobit's direct competition would like to say about it? I dare say the hundreds in attendance will certainly be keen on hearing the answer. I have been asking since Oct 2013 ;) Most of the participants that asked for fee return got them . Again it is not my obligation to do it. You will never got it. Why Send my best to Brick. Best Martin Ok. Thx for that final statement, which at least is the truth and not a promise that you never intended to fulfil. I will now close this chapter as a bad experience. Updated list... Updated List of Injured Parties [Group Buy] Avalon chips Escrow John K May 27, 2013, 18:09:59 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.0) darkfriend77: Requested 7% fees to be returned. Refuses to pay anything of what he promised out of spite. souspeed: Unkown. Min€r: Unkown. patica: Unkown. hacko.bg: Unkown. mbd4: Unkown. fex: Unkown. joeventura: Requested 7% fees to be returned as well as refund for chips. Refuses to pay anything of what he promised out of spite. souspeed: Unkown. varunsin: Unkown. pajak666: Requested 7% fees to be returned. Still no resolution. Betatester: Unkown. LainZ: Unkown. hookthem: Unkown. jkminkov: Unkown. TECHNOBIT S-HASH minig board and Bitfury October delivery chip distribution (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=293030.460) adami: Unkown. gcube1305: I have wait 3 month for a board that never came, but i've been refunded. oscurito23: Unkown. wallydz: Unkown. warhawk187: Unkown. vulgartrendkill: Unkown. easynote: Late delivery after many complaints. jammertr: Unkown. basd82: Unkown. whiteEAGLE: Unkown. ccfly: Unkown. streetuff: Unkown. seaandy: Refunded only after repeated hounding and posting in threads. Waited inordinately long for the refund. falinka: Unkown. wuzamarine: Poorly Hashing Unit. Unkown. lancelot6: Failed Unit. Replacement requested. Unkown. Moikka2: Unkown. dplusf: Unkown. cannachris: Unkown. hennessy10009: No refund even though it was requested. Sent completed board with others chips. Had to pester them daily on the forum. btcminer84: Still owed for miners. No refund. No miners. Paratech: Still nothing delivered. No information and just empty promises. [ANN] Technobit HEX8A1 -240 GHs Coincraft A1 board-289 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg4745140#msg4745140) braindead: Where is my November order? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg4032584#msg4032584) sacskate: Just trying to give you guys a heads up, he still has lots of refunds and late orders to take care of, with no sense of urgency on his end to do so. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg4435050#msg4435050) Destiffmast: Why should I not be entitled for compensation same way as "older" customers and get a board from first batch? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg4502701#msg4502701) whiteEAGLE: I hope lot of people order this new miner, so Martin can send refund for older undelivered miners. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg4648098#msg4648098) Quote After a long wait and many compliant letters to Marto he was refund through paypal. "I´m done with him, no more orders." - whiteEAGLE southerngentuk: You told that guy you would refund him. For your own respect just do it. Where all tired of his posts, damn, even he is tired of his posts. But I quite see where he is coming from.. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg4795961#msg4795961) Wotan777: Refund and why don't you answer messages? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg4991007#msg4991007) Marto, please answer.Order ref is UICAWGFJD (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg5136683#msg5136683) roy7: In the mean time, ignoring the user prevents it from ever being noticed again. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg5090041#msg5090041) dspbuy: Please do not send me the miner now. It is too late. I have made the order more than 4 months ago, so the miner is now completely worthless (due to drop in BTC value and increase of mining difficulty). I would like to have my money back please (you may send me in BTC). (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg5137356#msg5137356) Do you realize that this is theft? Do we really need to escalate this? What do I need to do to get my money back? Go to the police? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg5141947#msg5141947) Pug: No delivery yet / order status "Preparation in progress" (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg5162436#msg5162436) wunch: I asked a question similar to this question on my order page but have not seen any response for 6 days. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg5247024#msg5247024) grana: I understand everything, but I paid 3 months ago, I no longer have patience! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg5386560#msg5386560) Here now everyone can see who they are Tehnobit and Martin Sirakov ... I want my money back! TEHNOBIT IS A SCAM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg5655537#msg5655537) TylerRice: Are you going to be getting units out on time. You was only 1 month late with my Hex16 board so not too bad, But yeah jsut wanted to see if we had a target time for my order (Ref: HTHYKSJQD) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg5738287#msg5738287) opodark: I never received answer for my order 23-11-2013 SZYESJVZP (1/2 week of december) , paid for express delivery and received in 07-01-2014 with standard courier. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg5898907#msg5898907) btcminer84: You told me, the refund need 10 days since 12 of December 2013. So, WHERE is my refund? I never got it. Order: FESYNGABJ placed on 2013-12-07 13:24:27 Payment: Bank Wire (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg6672431#msg6672431) glen123: Hi Marto : what about my RMA ? Order Reference IXRPCAXWX -- placed on 2014-04-25 About 20 Days Send 2 Emails to Office and on this Thread. Glen (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376351.msg6725600#msg6725600) Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: Bicknellski on June 17, 2014, 03:20:35 PM For those pissed by Bick and his lies and for Technobit customers real isues
I sense desperation and the lack of spell check. If you simply copy and paste his customers complaints in chronological order they magically become lies that people should be pissed at? And for real Technobit customers? The few you have left that still cling to the idea that the bigger the heat sink the better the paperweight? It looks like your stuff is made at the Moskvitch factory circa 1966-67. That isn't a compliment. All jokes aside the shell game that Technobit played for so long is coming to an end no more places to hide where you can pretend you have shipped something and then cancel the order and stop the tracking numbers. We don't do that anymore do we Marto74 as it actually leaves an electronic trail and when people called the shippers they found out you lied? Now you just say you ship it tomorrow or will ship it soon and then don't for months knowing full well you were never going to make any more of that specific unit you said was ready to go, don't worry about it. Slick buddy really slick. This guys losing his grip. One thread so we are not spamming up the boards and then he starts in just like before dumping on plenty threads playing his games. This is where it all started and in all deference to those that do not like a proper accounting of his bullshit practices you can easily ignore this thread. There is only 1 of them unfortunately he has littered the board with his faux help thread and countless rants in more calling all his "customers" and shills to defend him from what? A single person copying and pasting all his past deeds? What does he have to hide? Let us call it like it is, guys off his nut because he can't control this message. He can't bribe, threaten or shout here. This is a safe place for the truth to sit and be observed in quiet reflection without the noise of Marto74 and his paid entourage. Simple way this game ends? Reimburse the people you owe and stop lying to people about shipping shit and finally act like an honest broker in this community. http://www.samharris.org/lying You might want to get a copy of this book and read it. Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: Bicknellski on June 18, 2014, 06:46:37 AM So a set of basic patterns have been uncovered.
1. Tracking numbers sent then cancellation of the shipment to delay shipments of units that didn't exist. 2. No tracking numbers sent, say you will send shortly, ignore customer for weeks or months depending on the next unit released. 3. Say units are being built and make no effort to set limits or cut off dates collect more orders than units available. 4. Delays through ignored requests for information, refunds potentially ignored until the customer is insisting in public forums or a better cash flow situation exists. 5. Blame shipping delays on failure to pay for extra shipping or for not contacting Tecnobit promptly. 6. Blame failed shipping on customer or shipping companies failure to provide proper information. 7. Outright blacklisting of customer base and refusal to refund those who are the most vocal. 8. Promise refunds of fees and the abject failure to deliver on said promise time and time again. 9. Ignore refund requests and ship useless or outdated miners months later. 10. Staging faux CRM threads for the public's consumption. Oh my how transparent. This laundry list of complaints often have variants of the same theme and are only pulled from the posts in the threads that are unmoderated and in plain sight of the community. These problems are not old. They are in fact recent and go up to the present time. No matter how hard his supporters want to defend Technobit there are still a significant number of people who were wronged and damaged by his actions. Who were lied to. Who were defrauded. Just because you pump out product after product doesn't give a company the right to blatantly ignore the poor business practices they continue to employ. Further it can easily be argued it is well within the rights of anyone in this community to explore his record and the WARN people NOT to buy from him given the available evidence. If you don't like what you see here then please click ignore and the problem goes away as this is the only thread you will see me post on Technobit. What is posted here is fully DOCUMENTED in these forums. There is nothing that is false or untrue. One might ignore the actually merits of a claim based on the vocal nature of the claimants but really it doesn't mean that Marto74 was faultless. In fact there is clear evidence he was out to defraud and he has lied to customers repeatedly right up to this very day. Let us now look at joeventura and his unfortunate experiences with Technobit. July 11, 2013 Joe buys chips at 11:38 on July 9th 2013. joeventura 16 1.36 1Bogpm4B44WdFvSP7huhDrJyhbEt7i14Ew (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.msg2706785#msg2706785) September 7, 2013 Joe asks for a refund. "I will take a refund." (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.msg3097082#msg3097082) September 10, 2013 Joe asks for a refund again. "I am in for 16 chips refund." joeventura 16 1.36 1Bogpm4B44WdFvSP7huhDrJyhbEt7i14Ew" (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.msg3122711#msg3122711) September 16, 2013 Darkfriend77 complains about Marto's tactics, also please note that Joeventura's refund request is listed by Darkfriend77 so that Marto sees the numbers of people interested in refunds. "this a pretty lame tactic to even get the refund delayed more ... in the hope it gets shipped ... we allready had more then 50% of chip amounts from users of GB1 voting for a refund ... sad that your are acting ... like that ... there where some good examples ... from zefir, sebastianJu & bizwoo ... how to organize ... a gb refund ... you show us that ... it can be done the otherway ... " (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.msg3164220#msg3164220) September 16, 2013 Darkfriend77 trying desperately to get Marto74 to recognize the people who have asked for refunds makes it easy for him to click and send PM to ask these unsigned people if they want refunds. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.msg3165253#msg3165253) GB1 Refund requests - SIGNED 32 ... darkfriend77 ... refund LINK (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.msg3164220#msg3164220) 2112 ... dimomit ... refund LINK (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.msg3164237#msg3164237) 188 ... Min€r ... refund LINK (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.msg3164457#msg3164457) 320 ... patica ... refund LINK (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.msg3164883#msg3164883) 1320 ... hacko.bg ... refund LINK (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.msg3164897#msg3164897) 66 ... mbd4 ... refund LINK (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.msg3165230#msg3165230) 48 ... fex ... refund LINK (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.msg3165244#msg3165244) We are @4086 ... Chips! Signed votes! - UNSIGNED quest ... 128 ... refund LINK (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.msg3122670#msg3122670) joeventura ... 16 ...refund LINK (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.msg3122711#msg3122711) souspeed ... 32 ... refund LINK (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.msg3123033#msg3123033) varunsin ... 16 ... refund LINK (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.msg3124128#msg3124128) pajak666 ... 36 ...refund LINK (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.msg3125812#msg3125812) Betatester ... 33 ... refund LINK (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.msg3126382#msg3126382) LainZ ... 32 ... refund LINK (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.msg3140239#msg3140239) hookthem ... 16 ... refund LINK (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.msg3159852#msg3159852) jkminkov ... 980 ... refund LINK (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.msg3160376#msg3160376) October 16, 2013 Joe for the 3rd time asks for a refund. Even after Marto74 saw the refunds from those who were listed did not notify the customers via email or PM about the GB#1 refunds. joeventura 16 1.36 1Bogpm4B44WdFvSP7huhDrJyhbEt7i14Ew Please refund!!!!! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.msg3340895#msg3340895) October 17, 2013 Did you sent an e-mail as described in this tread? If not just give me address and I'll deliver you the chips after you pay PnP regards Martin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.msg3352190#msg3352190) October 20, 2013 LONG BEFORE YOU ALL HAD YOU OFFICIAL VOTE, THEN NO ONE HAD THE DECENCY TO PM THE PEOPLE INVOLVED (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.msg3373478#msg3373478) October 21, 2013 When you manage a group buy, your obligation is COMMUNICATION. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.msg3379238#msg3379238) Which Sunday? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.msg3380526#msg3380526) October 23, 2013 Marto Blacklists Joeventura. "For sure there is no way for him to have order for any product of Technobit Wink" Then Marto74 antagonizes a customer that is rightly upset with this group buys lack of clear communication. Why do we wonder this sort of thing happens to Marto74? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.msg3389008#msg3389008) November 12, 2013 Update: 2 weeks later No chips, no refund 3 weeks - No chips - No refund. Been RIPPED OFF Still no refunding of fees or chips in hand. Marto74 has not done nearly enough to make this customer whole. And this is the exact sort of thing you might want to avoid. All you have to do is simply not order from Technobit. There are plenty of other places to get units off the shelf and at a comparable price why risk this sort of folly? A simple: "Oh hey you missed the message. How can I make it right?" "Is sending you the chips ok?" "Can I give you a voucher for future products?" But no, what does Marto74 go directly to? Antagonise, ignore and then blame the customer and make them go all apeshit. This is just one in about 20+ plus examples over the period he has been in business in these forums. Marto74 choosing confrontation vs. simply admitting his limitations or liability coupled with the utter failure to communicate. Every disgruntled customer has the same story and it goes without reason you take a huge chance to be treated the same way if he screws up your order as well. Still no chips for Joeventura and given Marto74's propensity for spite he never shipped those chips given the plenty of lies he has told about shipping in the past and even more recently... Caveat Emptor! Who would do business with a person like that? Seriously who should trust anyone that unprofessional? January 02, 2014 - Mindfox wrote: Well, I can only write about my personal experience. After a couple of PMs, asking what's happening and what's the plan regarding this order, I got no reply what so ever!!! I don't know if Marto is offline but that's not a professional approach (since he decided to create a company). I hope his near-future actions makes me change my oppinion regarding his professionalism and ethics Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: Bicknellski on June 19, 2014, 05:21:25 AM We will dive into the promises broken tomorrow... scour the threads and list line by line what was promised and then subsequently broken by Technobit.
After that post we will work on another case study of btcminer84 who sought compensation and the struggles he had. Unfortunately he remains seeking compensation still after months of trying to get it. As always continue to send PM's to us directly and we will be sure to include your story right here in this thread. Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: Bicknellski on June 20, 2014, 02:28:43 AM 3 Cases today.
Case #1 - Still not delivered for 6 Months after a 10 day promise to refund. Quote You are a scammer! When I get my refund (Order ID was FESYNGABJ) you promised me "within 10 days" on 10th December 2013! Am 10.12.2013 01:31, wrote via refund@technobit.eu: > OK > Will be done in 10 days > > Best Technobit Today is 15th Mai 2014 and am still waiting for the refund you promised. Case #2 - Lied about receiving RMA units from customer, then blame customer until the customer provided tracking information. Then they magically look for them again. Quote I´m waiting for 2 HEXA2 units and 3 HEXA units since February, i´ve send them for repair / swap because they had problems and never receive them back, several emails where send always with some unprofessional answer in order me to wait and wait and wait, then suddenly they tell me they never received any items, i´ve send them the tracking number for them to check the order was received, then they told me again to wait and wait for them to check So this gos on and on since February all my money is lost, and i will never ever get roi on those products even if they send to me today So be careful when ordering from this company, they have the worst after sale service you can get Here is the lie Customer Service @ Technobit 14-02-2014 07:40 Quote Dear Customer, we were busy with new product last 2 weeks. Next week the series start running , so all RMA devices will be sorted until next friday Regards, Customer service Next Friday came and went and you know the rest of this story right... no? We will follow up. Case #3 - Lies and doesn't know he lies old Marto74. What is the difference between Pre-order and Build Per Order nothing if you order from Technobit? Quote tarmi said: marto, I sent you some PM, but you didnt respond, so I will ask you here. how about local pick up, I hand you the money, and you hand me the goods? 2 -4 weeks... PRE ORDER! Quote marto74 said:Wich product If it is with 48 hour shipment ok But for others it is with pre order of about 2 to 4 weeks , depending on the product you choose. In any case you have to place an order I am interested in your A1 miners. maybe bigger quantities. No Pre-orders... Quote tarmi said: I can place an order, but I cant give money in advance, sorry. preordering is 2012. Why? He doesn't want to get scammed and he tried to PM you remember? Quote marto74 said: ↑ Fine up to you why post offtopic here then Explain it to him like he is a 3 year old Quote tarmi said: because you dont respond to PMs, and you are active in this thread. I was just considering to do business with you and I just wanted to know what are my options. preordering today is not an option for me. I would suggest to change your business model if you want to stay in this business, especially if you have a lot of customer complaints. thank you for your time, I wish you the very best. edit> it makes no difference to me: you can call it order or preorder, but if you dont give me the goods the second I give you my money it is a preorder. Tecnobit's model is bullshit and there are many examples of their poorly organized Japanese system of Just in Time manufacturing that often goes south on purpose because when you run out of boards parts etc you keep the money and then ignore the customers and then offer the "upgraded" product. Wait doesn't BFL do that? It is pretty clear your shell game is only different in one respect. You don't actually explain to people you are not building to order. You limit your numbers based on the time for next board that you pump out with the money you collect for the previous boards and the cycle continues. So if there is any hitch like failed boards or RMA or multiple refund requests then you ignore the problems as that is not factored into your "business" model. You are hiding the fact you often collect money for units you never intend on building for people and that is clearly FRAUD and there is more than enough evidence to prove this in court. This is the main reason people shouldn't buy from you beside the fact you still owe people boards and money etc. Quote marto74 said: ↑Fine up to you why post offtopic here then P.s. and our model is actualy build per order not pre order. So he says first: "But for others it is with pre order of about 2 to 4 weeks." Then he says: "P.s. and our model is actualy build per order not pre order." Really Marto74 you actually think people believe it is build to order and not pre-ordering after you just said it is pre-ordering? "A man is never more truthful than when he acknowledges himself as a liar." - Mark Twain Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: Bicknellski on June 21, 2014, 05:00:23 AM How is it even possible that btcminer84 is still seeking a refund since December 9th 2013?
The Refund Request 2013-12-09 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=358439.msg4425996#msg4425996) Code: Hello, me too. I ask for a refund at Technobit.eu Website on 2013-12-09. Chronology of Broken Promises (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=433906.msg4763633#msg4763633) Code: I just want to get the refund of 217,50 EUR asap, because I will not wait Evidence to Support the Promises Made by Marto74 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=433906.msg4763633#msg4763633) Code: From: btcminer84 Emails on Monday, December 09, 2013 1:21 PM Technobit Schrieb confirms Refund in 10 days (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=433906.msg4763633#msg4763633) Code: Schrieb refund@technobit.eu on 10.12.2013 01:31, Code: btcminer84 wrote on 2013-12-18 looking for clarification: Promise Made Again by Marto74 himself on 2013-12-18 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=433906.msg4763633#msg4763633) Code: Marto74 wrote on 2013-12-18: Questions for Marto Posted January 27, 2014, 06:33:00 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=433906.msg4763633#msg4763633) Code: Why you marto73 (Technobit.eu) told me the refund needs max 10 days? So to sum it up. Request for refund made Request for refund accepted and promise made to refund in 10 days. Confirmation a second time that they promised to refund in 10 days. Refund denied and product is 'shipped' against the wishes and the agreement for refund. That is fraud and just goes directly to the LACK of ethics of Marto74. This pattern is well documented where people are promised refunds in a short time frame then orders are "shipped" after weeks and months of delays. This customer is still waiting for the promised refund. You might become his next victim. Why risk it? Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: Bicknellski on June 21, 2014, 08:11:44 AM jdot007's Story soon... then off to HK for the Inside Bitcoin conference where we will be definitely be asking a question to the panel regarding the major theme on Industry standards: Consumer getting burnt being commonplace in mining, is it prime time to start setting the bar high and protecting the consumer? Referencing Technobit and BFL examples will certainly help frame the question we have for the panel. http://www.mediabistro.com/insidebitcoins/hong-kong/agenda.asp
Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: Bicknellski on June 21, 2014, 08:56:43 AM "AMT was our good customer till now." - Marto74
What is the relationship with AMT and Technobit.eu? Seems worth investigating. 2 companies... just doing business right? I wonder why Loshia is asking if I know AMT and all the while the connection was Technobit.eu and AMT? Hmmm something worth investigating I wonder what is being covered up in that mess of a situation considering how AMT defended Marto74... interesting indeed. 3. AMT I do not understand their reason to attack us. AMT was our good customer till now. Cry me a river. Way to do your DUE DILIGENCE and check out AMT. They have ripped off all of their customers, just check the threads. You sold hardware to a company that was a SCAM, and you got paid with dirty money - right out of the pockets of hard working Americans who have either: A> NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT B> Bitfury based miners that were plagued with issues. Don't believe me? Read the threads. AMT (AKA: Joshua Zipkin) is so fucking desperate now, he's blaming everyone but himself for what has happened. Meanwhile that fat piece of bulgarian shit, continues to sit on everyone's money. AMT might of been a good customer to you, but they've been complete SCAMMERS to their customers. Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: Bicknellski on September 21, 2014, 02:50:18 PM Well Marto, I see you are online, why no comments on the out of order shipping, how can you ship batch 2 orders from 3 weeks old? What have you shipped so far, from MS' pictures it looks not even 25 to the USA? Because he need to set up his own farm and cloud hashing first to recoup from the losses of buying ALOT of parts to manufacture the boards? Martin got paid in chips, remember? ::) BULLSHIT. I paid in full. No conversion, no who's in inline shit. I paid straight up for 50. Got the PSU's, breaker boards, fans, all that. Converted half my breaker box to 240... and still nothing. 4 weeks my ass. I should have had 50 boards here, yet difficulty is up another 20% yet again. Marto... please, and I beg you deliver. Timeline for this venture is running out. :( We are sending as much miners are ready. And for the payment. Only 2 orders are paid one fiat and one btc Majority of 90+ percent paid with chips Is it about time for a Technobit fucks us over thread? Always had one... this wasn't even the FIRST one. EDIT: More evidence... come on chaps lets be civil please. Please. Qeu, PM me your order number for your PSUs, ill straiten it out right now. Que I feel ya man. He seriously is shipping the smallest first. I complained and complained and now he say's how about partial shipments? Man WTF indeed. Umm shouldn't you take care of orders in which they came? One would think you would fulfill them in the order received, especially when my entire order was paid in fiat. I have never heard of such a business philosophy in my life. Yet daily they are shipping conversion orders out. Its not the fiat he is worried about, its the btc. I have a feeling every conversion he is doing he is moving the other half to the side... feel my drift? I understand martos system of shipping. At first there was problem with MCUs. He could send bad boards or have delay. Okay, for everyone (us as customers, marto as manufacter) is better to have delay instead of RMAs. Problem solved and what now? We have huge delay and so many customers are angry. For company (marto) is better to have one angry customer (with 150 boards) instead of 37 customers (for example 4 boards to one customer). So he sent small orders first. It is not fair for some customers, but is the best what he can do (because company name). Finaly he got 900 neutral customers, 90 positive customers and 10 negative (but from the full set is the smallest group). Ok, this is the smallest evil. I think this is the real status (and marto cannot say this because the angry customers with many boards). It is not fair, but is the life with real business. Ok but by that thinking.. would one not assume that fiat take precedence? He has openly said there are 2 fiat/btc customers. I in fact are one of them, damn near $11k USD. He could not give a shit about me? I understand your point, my point is for every board you ship, you at least have another on the side to take care of those that take care of you. I dunno, it seems like a no brainer to me, but to tell your best paying customers to fuck off, it kinda seems like cut the hand off that feeds you. Unless my boards been up and running the entire time. How about the 100% simply buy from a more reputable company that is interested in handling 100% of the customers with the same respect? That would be the way those Thumbs Up companies do it. Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: notbatman on September 21, 2014, 03:47:28 PM Well Marto, I see you are online, why no comments on the out of order shipping, how can you ship batch 2 orders from 3 weeks old? What have you shipped so far, from MS' pictures it looks not even 25 to the USA? Because he need to set up his own farm and cloud hashing first to recoup from the losses of buying ALOT of parts to manufacture the boards? Martin got paid in chips, remember? ::) BULLSHIT. I paid in full. No conversion, no who's in inline shit. I paid straight up for 50. Got the PSU's, breaker boards, fans, all that. Converted half my breaker box to 240... and still nothing. 4 weeks my ass. I should have had 50 boards here, yet difficulty is up another 20% yet again. Marto... please, and I beg you deliver. Timeline for this venture is running out. :( We are sending as much miners are ready. And for the payment. Only 2 orders are paid one fiat and one btc Majority of 90+ percent paid with chips Is it about time for a Technobit fucks us over thread? Always had one... this wasn't even the FIRST one. Poor scrappy, he doubled down on the Black Arrow scam. I'm sorry I called him an asshole but he needs to be realistic about 1W/Gh/s at the current difficulty with unreasonably delayed hardware. Maybe he can underclock/undervolt. Refunding every customer who made an order would only cost a small fraction of the revenue they've mined, BA should do the right thing. Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: Bicknellski on September 22, 2014, 07:58:41 AM Well Marto, I see you are online, why no comments on the out of order shipping, how can you ship batch 2 orders from 3 weeks old? What have you shipped so far, from MS' pictures it looks not even 25 to the USA? Because he need to set up his own farm and cloud hashing first to recoup from the losses of buying ALOT of parts to manufacture the boards? Martin got paid in chips, remember? ::) BULLSHIT. I paid in full. No conversion, no who's in inline shit. I paid straight up for 50. Got the PSU's, breaker boards, fans, all that. Converted half my breaker box to 240... and still nothing. 4 weeks my ass. I should have had 50 boards here, yet difficulty is up another 20% yet again. Marto... please, and I beg you deliver. Timeline for this venture is running out. :( We are sending as much miners are ready. And for the payment. Only 2 orders are paid one fiat and one btc Majority of 90+ percent paid with chips Is it about time for a Technobit fucks us over thread? Always had one... this wasn't even the FIRST one. Poor scrappy, he doubled down on the Black Arrow scam. I'm sorry I called him an asshole but he needs to be realistic about 1W/Gh/s at the current difficulty with unreasonably delayed hardware. Maybe he can underclock/undervolt. Refunding every customer who made an order would only cost a small fraction of the revenue they've mined, BA should do the right thing. I wouldn't blame the customer. There is obviously a disconnect again between what the customer expected and what Technobit, Minersource and BA delivered. Be this yet another warning to steer clear of Technobit. Unlike more reputable companies Technobit is willing and has proven they will throw a few customers under the bus every few months for shits and giggles. Why risk it? Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: Bicknellski on September 25, 2014, 01:31:08 PM Post yesterday...
Marto can you give me an update on my order? Post today... ignores questions on orders so regularly why would anyone bother ordering shit from Marto... insanity. simple Setup guide for *(yet another product that some of his customers have to ask when will arrive.) So busy failing to respond to customers yet has time to always post here over and over again. Takes two seconds to lie to your customer... excuse number 34 we sent it but the shipping company sent it to the wrong location... then evidence shows you never sent it. Remember that one Marto? Why is that? His behavior is so much like Josh you'd think they were soul mates. Both Zerlan and Zipkin. Forget the fact that his wife and Zipkin's wife are friends... nothing to see here. Move along. Wasn't wrong about BFL not wrong about Technobit. Do no buy from this guy. He uses the same tactics for ignoring customers and abusing customers just like BFL has in the past. Don't be fooled by this company. There are plenty of complaints and the faux accounts he created to mask it along with 10 threads of product placement here to distract you from what happens when things are not delivered is not that hard to pick up on. Here comes his BCP look alike Loshia... yet another PAID SHILL for Technobit. Stockholm Syndrome... some customers might have been given a deal to get their orders ahead in the queue to post negative against myself. Something that is clearly the pattern in Marto74 repertoire of lie, deny and obfuscate. Rather than being honest and dealing directly with customers complaints it is attack the messenger and not to fix the problem. Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: Bicknellski on September 25, 2014, 03:33:02 PM Marto - Can you please give us an update on sending the customer list to Minersource for batch 1 customers? I asked this same question almost 24 hours ago and it went unanswered. Please let us know where you are at with this list because these delays are really hurting our ROI on these boards. OK, I GUESS WE HAVE TO GET REALLY LOUD FOR YOUR DUMB ASS TO PHUCKING LISTEN WHERE THE PHUCK IS MY ORDER? WHAT IS MY ORDER STATUS? Your damn website STILL says I have not paid. Am I gonna have to run to bulgaria and snatch a kink in your ass? FUCKING RESPOND dipshit... EDEGSUOLY Marto, you can not sent this buyer incomplete miner. He canceled it a while ago and you ask him for paypal to refund. Yes and I would in any other case .Why are you now wonder why hes behaving this way. I agree with bilecinski and refund him like you said. He did now overeacted but you have responibility for your customers. Hire somebody who act mature with your buyers. Its very easy solution, refund him like you stated in december, and he will clean the thread from spams. But this customer put about 100 BOLD off topic msg in a few treads. This can not continue. This kind of behavior . So I'll send him exactly what he paid for. PCB+componets , assembled and tested . Yes it is not correct , but I'll prefer to go to court for this , rather than allowing this kind of behavior to be example for success here in this forum . I always aspire to be the better man. I do not want to be like the aforementioned. But I have felt the urge since you promised tomorrow 4 weeks ago. Actually I prefer the cold hard facts. If it is to be another 3 weeks then say so. but lets stop empty promises. You told that guy you would refund him. For your own respect just do it. Where all tired of his posts, damn, even he is tired of his posts. But I quite see where he is coming from.. Nice to know that Marto74 vouched for AMT and Josh Zipkin. Wonder why he would do that? True ralla, but marto74 is working closely with them. He is the owner of technobit,and has vouched for them. Of course that's not proof they are valid. -edited.. damn spellchecker on my "smart"phone butchered that message and I didn't notice. I guess they're only as smart as the user. :) Soo,your current 80GH miner consumes 80 watts,1 watt per GH.I read in an earlier post something about this being a Bitfury based miner. Their boards they're showing are the Technobit HEX16b boards.Your 28nm stuff isn't ready yet ??? When will it go on sale,if it isn't already ??? Thanks!!! http://technobit.eu/index.php?id_product=54&controller=product&id_lang=1 What they've shown so far is that they can take Technobit's existing PCB and shove some of them into cases with the heatsink fins oriented the wrong way. No credible customers have reported receiving their Bitfury based units. They haven't shown that they have done any engineering whatsoever, so it's extremely unlikely they have their own 28nm design on the way. By the same token given their pricing it seems hard to believe they could be using anyone else's 28nm products. It is on sale though. I'd love to be wrong on this, but I would honestly be shocked if anyone who ordered a 1.2TH/s miner ends up getting it. I would suggest staying far away unless they can post something credible detailing their incoming design. Found that on the AMT thread. Still seems fishy to me, also some people has pointed out that the AMT cabinet is just a NAS server, from another company. And the boards they are posting pictures of, is from technobit. Marto, you can not sent this buyer incomplete miner. He canceled it a while ago and you ask him for paypal to refund. Yes and I would in any other case .Why are you now wonder why hes behaving this way. I agree with bilecinski and refund him like you said. He did now overeacted but you have responibility for your customers. Hire somebody who act mature with your buyers. Its very easy solution, refund him like you stated in december, and he will clean the thread from spams. But this customer put about 100 BOLD off topic msg in a few treads. This can not continue. This kind of behavior . So I'll send him exactly what he paid for. PCB+componets , assembled and tested . Yes it is not correct , but I'll prefer to go to court for this , rather than allowing this kind of behavior to be example for success here in this forum . I always aspire to be the better man. I do not want to be like the aforementioned. But I have felt the urge since you promised tomorrow 4 weeks ago. Actually I prefer the cold hard facts. If it is to be another 3 weeks then say so. but lets stop empty promises. You told that guy you would refund him. For your own respect just do it. Where all tired of his posts, damn, even he is tired of his posts. But I quite see where he is coming from.. Marto can you please answer the comments in order WVEJQUSTR? I am still waiting to pay until I get a further instruction or confirmation. Are we sensing a pattern yet? Yes indeed, it's not worth that kind of language and behaviour. Patience he will sort it . In the mean time, ignoring the user prevents it from ever being noticed again. :) I hope lot of people order this new miner, so Martin can send refund for older undelivered miners. Thank you Go................. Here are all the sorry details, with quotes on how Marto ripped me off: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=647966.msg7374816#msg7374816 Note that marto74 has now issued me a paypal refund (after a lot of chasing him). I'll still leave this thread here, as until technobit gets their act together they are to be avoided. Agreed... There are still many who did not have the insurance of using PayPal who are forced to just wait and hope... Maybe the order will turn up eventually - but only when the GH/S's for the equipment you ordered is probably not going to provide a break even letalone a profit. To advertise something as 'in stock' and talk of delivery dates never met in this game is a scam as time is money. Who is to say that the team are not putting your ordered equipment through an extended period of 'testing'? I won't deal with them again as to me they blatantly lied about my second order being shipped - not once but twice! I don't care what the excuses are - their lack of respect for customers, lack of communication and the BS when there is a reply is no way a reputable business is run. Melb Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: ahmedshawezi on September 25, 2014, 06:06:50 PM Here we go again.
Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: Bicknellski on September 26, 2014, 08:46:20 AM Here we go again. Again? Never stopped Mr. 40 poster since September 11. Who were you last time? LOL! Busted. Look at that minion chip group buy and board build a few people tired of Marto74's BS. Then Loshia and Marto74 spend the whole day yesterday and today spamming threads cause they don't like people pointing out their failures. Amazing he can't even get simple customer service right I wonder what the problem is? Meanwhile while Marto and his paid shill or multiple account Loshia continue to spam threads... What does Technobit do? They ignore another customer. Best to avoid this company people don't risk your BTC. Buy elsewhere. Title: Re: Technobit Fucks Us Over Again Post by: Bicknellski on September 27, 2014, 03:01:14 PM https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Technobit Up to 10 week delays in shipment of some customers Minion Group Buy Units.
The hurt / delays continue for some customers of Technobit who have paid substantial amounts for miners over 10 weeks ago. I agree with scrappy here, Batch 1 should of been sent out by now. reading the thread its totally unprofessional sending out small orders first. i see some people waiting 10 weeks now for there order to be shipped out and nothing. Seems people with large orders are getting shafted. I think compensation is due MARTO!!!! People have been patient with you since you had a problem with the boards, but this now seems to be resolved. So what exactly is going on?? i do not what to take legal action as BFL are facing and now KNC miner, marto. You really havent provided any updates to people with large orders on the forum at all. Please provide a clear update on what is going on and when everyone's orders are going to be fulfilled and compensation package. with have been patient, but you have taken are patience for granted now. There is seriously something wrong with this thread. Folks Martin has yet to deliver batch one yet we have 3 confirmed cases of him shipping batch 2. He says "small orders" Fuck that shit. Mine may have been large and paid in fiat. I have as of to date received 6 of 50, and Marto has promised 6 shipping dates and only sent once! Guys, enough of the bullshit. I paid in fiat for a flat conversion, have been lied to about shipping, and seen batch 2 orders go out before mine. Check the thread, I was in page 2 and traded in 2 x3's and paid in fiat. I know I am not alone here as I have spoke to many of you in pm's. Enough with the BS, bring it. scrappy do, dam so shipments are just trickling out. i would of thought at least batch 1 would of been completed by now I haven't received a single one of my 88 boards. My chips have been at technobit since July 17th. Marto any news when batch 2 will be shipped, its been over a month now since you received my chips. ive emailed you on your site, 2 weeks ago and no reply. would like to know whats happening with those. you going to be offering any compensation for late deliveries now. awaiting 25 boards >:( and counting No offense Guyver, but he hasn't even shipped batch one out. Hopefully he will not ship out anymore batch 2 like the mistake made last week. I just got my first partial shipment today 6 of 50. I know its been over a month for you and I hate it, but it has been over 10 weeks for some of us. |
