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Just saw this on Twitter... https://twitter.com/#!/AdrianChen/status/174285122823143424/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/#!/AdrianChen/status/174285122823143424/photo/1)

To the creators, if you want to market it, use FeedZeBirds ;)

doesn't SR have weapons too

WOW! Just... WOW!   8)

Only one thing bugs me... Do they ship them in pieces, in several packages?

Guess I'll need to search the onion and try to find the site to satisfy my curiosity.
PS: No, I'm not looking to buy a gun, it's not my style. ;)

reading about SR the philosopy of the place was originally a protest as well as a moneyspinner. Things 'that do harm' were not allowed.

But then i heard talk of weapons on there so i guess you just got to look if you want to know

I expect the weapons are in pieces, surely they'd never get through otherwise

one thing that bugs me about bitcoin is things like this....

anarchy and liberty are two different things

Liberty is a more general term while anarchy, in its original and more accurate usages ( e.g. it does not really mean some kind of violent chaotic social disorder ),
is more specific, i.e. "freedom from state coercion". 

So you no doubt would feel that states/governments have the right to limit the ability of its citizens to purchase weapons?
An anarchist may ask if you truly have something like liberty and freedom if states determine for you what you can and
cannot own... while giving themselves the right to own and use weapons and violence as they pretty much please in the
maintenance of their own power and control.

Don't they both involve freedom to do what you think is right?

Having a government keep tabs on who owns what guns helps solve crime? maybe...
16 year olds should not be allowed own a fully automatic guns? maybe...

Its not like it was impossible to buy unregistered guns b4 bitcoin, so i guess this doesn't really make a difference.

but still, common... "drugs, guns, and gambling for anyone and everyone!" is this our new slogan?


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Do you want to define the privileged class who gets to defend themselves and enjoy themselves? Or maybe we can just let some special folks do that for us too?

Owning guns is neither immoral nor should it be criminal.

What SHOULD be criminal, and is absurdly immoral, is the government using force to prevent the above from occurring.

i want peace and love... short of that, i want guns to be sold to responsible people  ::)

So if an unknown person buys a gun from an unknown person should violence be done to either? Put another way, is there anyone at all who you would hurt for the act of buying or selling a gun?

own all the guns you want i dont care, just dont go pointing them in my face.

these weapon are meat to kill PEOPLE! do we really want to have 0 regulations on these weapons?

i dont know... I'm asking? do we? maybe regulations are pointless?

That is the truth sir!

you see.
its not so clear cut!

it could be regulations only sound good, when in fact, it only "...create a lucrative black market where certain types of individuals are able to earn large sums..."

its just to bad that bitcoin doesn't solve the problem, it only makes it worst.... but maybe that's a good thing ???

you can understand my confusion, I'm trying to understand why selling guns to anyone without asking any questions is a good thing.

I've got some weird ideas about guns, I'm Canadian.  ;)

Blame Canada-Southpark  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxPRHXgYVlk)

Was it really necessary to announce this? There is the Routers lady looking for people to interview about bitcoin and this turns up. Great!

There was already a fairly big article about SR selling weapons now.

The Armory is SR's version of their market for weapons and all weapons listings on SR will be removed on the 4th of March. Both sites are run by the same people and are run on the same platform. The only difference is, a different server and a different DB.

That's how SR's people explained it on SR's forum.

This whole situation is akin to eBay and gunbroker.com.  You can't sell guns on eBay but you can on gunbroker.  The two sites are otherwise similar to each other in terms of online auction functionality.

As far as i know in USA you can happily go in a shop and buy more or less whatever weapon you want.

So what is the problem with that website?

That's not entirely true.  State laws vary, some making it harder or easier.  Plus there is a federal background check done on every firearm purchase regardless of state.  Technically there is no gun registration in the US but effectively there is because they have your name and address once you buy a gun.

What if you wanted to buy a firearm completely off the books?  That's the key to this.

Yes that's exactly why some think that when you buy it online anonymously with the serial nr. removed it must be for something other than self defense which is completely ignorant to just about any other countrie's gun regulation laws.

Finally! I can sell my tactical nuke

Registration, like one does with their cars, is another matter. Helping to make people responsible for the guns they buy.
You are perhaps a Canadian like I am and disagree with the neocon Harper killing the gun registry.


No, but something like "Its your money. Do what you want with it"  would work for me.   :)

If someone commits an illegal act... murder or assault etc. then charge them for 'that'.

The fact that someone owns this or that type of currency shouldn't be cause to assume
they will commit an illegal or immoral act.

The reason that we get nervous about gun registration is that those registration records come in really handy when confiscation time comes around.  And confiscation time pretty much always comes around sooner or later.

We don't know how it works. I'm a gun enthusiast and there could be a valid and legal market place for this. Why would this market be any different from any other? I've bought a gun online before, legally.

Pretty much there are 3 steps.
1). find and pay for the gun via paypal, credit card, OR BITCOIN
2). That FFL ships it to an FFL dealer near you
3). you go to your FFL and do the required paperwork. If you fail, you don't get the gun.

OR, if you have your C&R (curio and relic) FFL (federal firearms license) then you can get a C&R firearm sent to your house directly.

Or, in other countries it may vary.


Until we get more information on how it works, it's not fair to the market to automatically assume it's illegal.

Dont want to steer this too far off topic but why would anyone disagree with killing the bloated, inefficient, and ineffective Canadian long-gun registry? Handguns are still registered and still are subject to a different license and other authorizations to transport.

The long gun registry did nothing to prevent crime. Some say that police would know if someone has a gun before they show up. There are two issues with that. 1). many people never registered their guns and 2). criminals don't register their illegally owned guns SO police need to go in expecting to see a gun regardless.

It was a total waste of tax-payer's dollars. I'm glad it's gone.

While we shouldn't jump to conclusions about legality, I have a feeling that people going through Tor aren't going to be filling out all the proper paperwork with a FFL dealer...

if the mark up is 2 or 3 times or more than a FFL transaction then it's probably black market or 'buyer beware' a LE entrapment sting - that can be international

personally I'm all for a free market in just about anything, but if this site facilitates postal kids going mi vida loco or the psychotically deranged tooling themselves up where as most country's jumping through hoops regulations would make this less likely then I'm not too sure that the benefits out way the potential losses

though as always, what ever can be done will be done & things evolve to take account of that - ie, I don't see that if this is a problem then it's a Bitcoin problem, if it wasn't BTC then it would be some other form of semi-anon transfer made of which many already exist

I won't spend much time on this either but will just say that more than anything it shows the hypocrisy of Harper and neocons here.
They keep saying how they are all for supporting the police etc. etc.  but the police say that registry was a very effective tool
they had. And in terms of waste of money... well that money was already spent, and now the cons are just throwing everything
away despite protests from law enforcement agencies and many many other groups.  Why not keep everything that was already
collected even if they didn't want to keep the program going?  The only reason Harper is against it is because it was a Liberal thing...
and it also plays to their base of redneck supporters who will always vote for conservatives when they 'talk' about being
for the little guys, even though time after time they show they are only about being for Big Corporations and the Military.  

But I don't care much about that gun registry either way.  

The Liberals sure shot themselves in the foot in the last election by not letting it drop as an issue, instead of focusing instead on
the Harper government's contempt of Parliament, democracy and the Canadian people... their lack of transparency and accountability...
the bloating of government with all the new positions he added ( despite the traditional conservative view of 'less government is better
government' ) the waste of taxpayer money on promoting the Conservative party... the movement towards a more belligerent and
militaristic foreign policy...  I could go on and on, but to save time one might look at what G.W. Bush did and/or attempted to do
down south, and the ideology of Leo Strauss on which it was/is based, to see where Harper intends to take Canada.  

Like cash :)

I've not been on the site to see price. If anyone knows how to get on it, I'd like to check it out. If guns are shown with the serial number filed off, it's pretty obvious that it's black market. Fully automatics won't show up on here unless they're from outside the country. I'd be able to judge it better if I knew how to get to it.

Also, Portnoy, they killed the registry because it's too costly to keep running and serves no purpose. Of all of the police I talked to, I got the same response. The registry does not matter to them because they have to go in expecting a gun regardless. If they go inside with their guard down because the registry shows no gun at that residence, then they may be in for a world of hurt. Also, I don't appreciate the snarky comment about gun owners being red necks.

There are many states that allow for private transfers.  No paper work, no names, just an exchange of cash or what ever is agreed upon.  In UT the largest online news source in the state allows for free postings and right now there are over 2000 firearms for sale.
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=231&category=353

Most of these are private sales not requiring any paperwork.

One trend that shows up in history is when ever a nation enjoys freedom, prior to that the people are well armed.  Whenever genocide or a police state occurs, prior to that the people are disarmed.

"Defensive gun uses by crime victims are three to four times more common than crimes committed with guns" -Gary Kleck, Ph.D.

 

like The Silk Road you need to access it via the Tor network, quite straightforward once you Google it, I'm not going to do a walk through for it as I haven't been there for ages which was just to look see so it doesn't spring to mind & also so as not to facilitate access to those who may be better off not visiting those dodgy lands, if they can't work it out for themselves then they probably shouldn't be there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TC2xTCb_GU

I just got on and checked it out. Most stuff is legal in the US (ammo, etc) but may be illegal elsewhere. It's also being overrun with spammers and scammers right now saying they're selling guns with the serial number filed off, selling mini-guns, etc.

That was never the main purpose of the registry, and the idea of it being so expensive to run I would suggest is Conservative propaganda.
If that is the source of your "facts" then there is perhaps no reason for me continue, but I would just add, based on stats ( something that
the neocons clearly have no use for ), that if those cops you talked to were against the registry then I would suggest they were in the
minority(among police members) nation wide... not that I am a big fan of police forces and giving them more powers... just pointing out things
that show the lies and hypocrisy of Harper.    

I am not a Liberal btw, in case you may think these are just partisan attacks on my part.
I am no supporter of the NDP or the Greens here in Canada either.  


I didn't call gun owners rednecks, let alone 'all' gun owners, and I didn't say that 'all' Conservative supporters were rednecks either.
But they make up a large percentage of the Conservative base in the prairies, at least. I live in the bible belt of Canada... I live with and
work with rednecks everyday; dyed-in-the-wool conservatives. They don't consider "redneck" to be an insult but proudly call themselves that.  

 ;)

I wouldn't want to drive a car in a country where anyone can and does get on the road without any required training and tests, without mandatory minimum insurance, without license plates, and without government to enforce these rules. I wouldn't want to live in a country where any idiot can get a lethal weapon. Iraq, for example - any American idiot can get weapons for free and get shipped there. Any Iraqi idiot can buy weapons on the black market. We can see the results of this kind of freedom and liberty. Sure, most of these idiots justify their actions in some way, and depending on our ideological inclinations we may see some of them as liberators or freedom fighters - but that won't change the reality.

Aside from the fact that not 'every idiot' can get a gun....

I just have to ask, what are you talking about? Are you referring to soldiers as idiots with free guns who were dumped in Iraq? Regarding Iraqi idiots buying illegal guns... I would too. Wouldn't you? If you lived in an area as dangerous as Iraq, I'd be armed, yes. Self defense is a human right.

Regarding cars, cars kill more people than guns even with licensing. Should we ban cars? Should we ban sports cars and cars that have the potential to go 3-4 times the speed limit? Alcohol serves no purpose, let's ban that. You know what, let's ban junk food too. Heart disease kills more people than guns too!

Guns are typically safe. It's the meat head with his booger hook on the trigger that makes them dangerous. Do we really want to continue the debate or should we get back to the OP's issue?

Every idiot can now get a gun via Armory, which is the topic of this thread.

Totally.
Of course we should not ban cars. Had you actually read my post, you would have noticed that I didn't advocate banning of cars or guns, but regulating and licensing to a reasonable degree.
You actually agree with me. Good. It's the meat head, not the gun. The point of the anonymous gun market - as opposed to a regulated market - is that any meat head can now get the gun easily. Don't you see this?

If, and only if, they don't comply with laws. It being on Tor, however, would indicate foul play.

It's too bad a legitimate gun shop won't embrace bitcoins.

Every idiot can and already does get guns completely off the books right now without The Armory.
They're called gangstas.

They could, just most gun shops don't yet. As it becomes more prevalent, we'll see a change. One thing that'd help is a bitcoin wallet for an ipod or android device. That way they could send the BTC and the store will get them nearly in real time.

I didn't know a wallet on an ios or android device existed, if it does.

That is the most awesome video ever!

You mean Gawker 2.0? I'm familiar with it but there isn't any article on The Armory. This is just going to bring so much negative attention. Did you listen to the BBC 5 Live investigates show? They made bitcoin look like it was MADE for pedos, drug dealers and scammers. This is just negative publicity. There is no reason for us to help our enemies.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Software#Mobile_apps

+1

Wow, that's great.

I ain't gunna shoot anyone, and no one shoots me 'cause I got a gun.

Good infos on the armory and link to the website here : http://adamfreelance.com.au/2012/02/27/silk-road-launches-armory-place-buy-weapons-online/

I didn't realize this was from SR. I guess it's mostly a marketing thing then? I'd understand wanting to keep them separate, but they aren't doing that so I guess it is a matter of "launching" being better than "now we do guns".

Seems like it's only a matter of time.

they're already ahead of the curve/s

https://pimpcoin.com/

If they follow the same naming scheme. It will probably be

1 - The silk road
2 - The armory
3 - The red light district or The bordel

That (surprisingly) looks really good expect for the name which is absolutely terrible.

Don't forget that guns don't kill people.
People kill people.

I can't say I think this is a good thing, I'm from the UK and believe that a civilized society has no need for handguns, possession of an unlicensed firearm runs a 10 year prison sentence here.

However, if they're for sale on that site then I can't say I care that much, if technology allows people to risk imprisonment in a new and interesting way then they're free to do so.

Yeah. And the UK has no gun crime because of it... oh wait... it's gone UP since the ban.

And so the arguments go on and on with no resolution.

Here in the US, the land of free gun ownership, there are plenty of people who'd love to see the Second Amendment repealed.

And I know for a fact that in the UK there are plenty of folks who wish they had something like their own Second Amendment.

We don't need a "resolution". The 2nd amendment is correct. Liberty works. Enough said.

We need to get Kim Jong Un's email address and send him this site.

In my home country (not UK) less than 4% of the population owns a gun and I actually feel safer than I ever would/did in the USA...
And guess what, criminals around here typically also don't carry guns!

Just to be clear here, I've been to the military as well and loved to handle guns there - still I would only in very rare circumstances ever consider of buying a gun myself.

How about another statistic to make you feel safe?  You are more likely to get stabbed in the UK than shot in the US. Guns aren't the problem; people are.

Out of curiosity, where are you from?

Murder rate per capita is still 3x higher in the US

Not where concealed firearm permits are handed out like candy canes. The only reason we have a high murder rate in Las Vegas is due to the Police and their mandatory paid vacations. 8D

I'm surprised to see so many people opposing the Armory. Bitcoin facilitates anonymous commerce - what did you THINK would happen? Uglier things than this are already inevitable.

If you don't support the right to buy guns/drugs/whatever like this, but DO support the right to keep a secret on your computer, you should consider that these opinions might contradict.

Bitcoins don't cause murder, corruption, and immorality. People do.

With regard to firearms issues you'll find that the anti-gun groups are generally louder than the pro-gun groups.

Its funny - the purpose of the militia is to defend against armies.  That means you need surface to air missiles, tanks, artillery and the like.  Yet all you guys are allowed are firearms, which while marginally better than slings and crossbows, are useless against modern armies.

I dunno about that. The NRA is pretty loud.

I meant on message boards.

This site has serious privacy issues, it's bugged like hell. I can see all kinds of orders from other people... including name and address...

hey cool, I'm going to send them all a free sample of my latest prototype, 100 BTC for the activation code with 9.66% LEO discounts

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its a false sense of security (last i checked which was a few years ago).  per capita, the UK has just slight HIGHER rates of murder.

dead is dead.  doesn't matter if its a gun or a knife that does it to you.

i own a gun.  i view it as an insurance policy.  i hope i never need it, but i'll be glad i have it if god forbid i ever do.

The US has always been higher.  The most recent numbers have 4.8 (US) to 1.23 (UK) per 100,000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

i remember i was using nationmaster.com.  i think it was just before i got married, so maybe 7-8 years ago, but definitely showed the UK around the same level as the US, with a small decimal place putting it just higher of the two.

EDIT: just went back to see if i could dig it up, and the site has changed a bit, and the UK seems to be missing from some relevant stat pages.

triplehelix - ur tripping dood, everyone knows US>UK for that since forever & nearly 4 times > WTG gunslingers on ur "just slight HIGHER rates of murder" lol

edit: guessing that the UK murder rates may have increased in the last few years, don't think that it was so PolPot before that though compared to the US, 3.9% difference doesn't make this possible & before it was maybe more on your end, like 5% or 6% more

Edit: plus your state (country) tops more peeps than most in the world WTG death penalty, not to mention incarcerating another crazy % more than most of the world finds necessary

further digging and i think the stat i had looked at back then, was not murders, but assaults with a deadly weapon (knife and gun specifically).  which is possibly the more relevant stat as we are talking about overall safety.

this guy is a to angry for my taste, but he breaks it down along the lines of the info i must be recalling:

http://sob.apotheon.org/?p=1323

relevant bit:

   
and that appears to be discounting scotland, which has a far higher rate of crimes committed with a knife if i recall.

If the point of this debate is that more gun laws = less crime, then you lose, Otoh. Mexico has much stricter gun laws than the USA, and rates of homicide are 300% higher in Mexico. Mexico did not allow any right to bear arms until 1917. Still severely restricted today. See here: https://davekopel.org/Espanol/Mexican-Gun-Laws.htm (https://davekopel.org/Espanol/Mexican-Gun-Laws.htm)

The US also sold a bunch of guns to the drug dealers in Mexico, so I'm sure that helps... sigh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

That just means relaxed gun laws is NOT ENOUGH when deciding how much liberty is within the people's rights. Remember, the American constitution was written long before we had tanks, missiles and accurate artillery.

nope, that was not my point, it was solely to point out the inaccuracy in that guy's post stating that there was a higher murder rate ever in the UK than in the States, ever - except maybe in the medieval ages or something 1,000 BC

the possible reasons for it I don't wish to go there, it's the Internets FFS, same reason I don't argue creationism/science here, what do you expect

Ok then.

But i think if the USA had twenty cameras on every street corner like UK, there'd be lower homicide rate.

Liberty does not lead to an abundance of morality. IMO, increased liberty leads to moral decay.

https://revoltoftheplebs.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/tytler1.jpg

yeah, i posted again saying it probably wasn't the murder rate, but crimes commited with weapons (knife vs gun), where the UK has a much higher rate than in the US.

slight problem: how do you ship clandestine ammunition? almost all international mail goes on passenger aircraft in the cargohold, and I witnessed them during my 8mos stunt after highschool as a ramp runner being run over, slammed around, forked by forklifts, and all sorts of other issues like it rolling around inside the plane and being crushed into the wall during emergency landing.

there's a good reason you're supposed to declare ammunition to the captain before they take off. then again, they do stealth ship Thermite out of Estonia and Hungary in the mail so I guess it could be worse.

For those of you saying more guns = more crime, how about you explain Switzerland to me then. Almost every house has a military rifle and it's one of the safest low crime places on this planet.

No africans and mexicans on Switzerland?  ::)

Now a serious answer: No poverty. Good social security. The former being a consequence of the latter.
I have family there, uncles and cousins. I know a little more about Switzerland than what's on wikipedia :)

free heroin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy) :P

ROFLMFAO

yeah, that's included on the Good Social Security system I talked about.

For those who believe if someone says "More guns do not mean you will have less crime":

My beliefs are more guns != less crime and more guns != more security --> please note that I do specific NEGATIONS.

If I say "It doesn't rain outside" you still can't draw any conclusion about the weather - it could be snowing, sunny, foggy, cloudy...

I say that you can NOT fight crime, invasion by any enemy force (aliens always seem to target the USA in movies...) or increase personal security by just making it as easy as possible for everyone to get a firearm.
This does NOT mean that you will have less crime, not be invaded or have awesome personal security just by banning firearms.

Read up a bit about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_conclusion_from_a_negative_premise

It's a complete myth you can't easily get weapons in Canada. Right now the Canadian gun market is flooded with brand new Russian and Chinese SKS rifles w/bayonets (which apparently you can't buy anymore in the US, oddly enough) and you can buy them in lots of 10 for only $100 each, or $200-300 for a single one. Simply cut the pin in the magazine  that restricts it to 5 rounds (i think it's 5 rounds) or mail order a banana clip and there's your militia rifle.

They aren't 'restricted' either, anybody with a firearms cert can get one, and getting a FAC is dead easy unless you're a criminal.

Canada is also one of the few places on earth where you can carry loaded weapons on an airplane going up north. There's a few carriers I remember that allowed it, since there's a good chance freakin polar bears are hanging around the runway in Tuktoyaktuk.

As for Canadians ordering from a site like this it's automatic 2 years in prison if you get caught with a loaded restricted weapon and no license. At least get your FAC, then order your anonymous guns it shaves down the sentence to misdemeanor unless you're a known gangster

You mean you don't remember all of those bank robberies committed with bayonets?!

100 years later:

"Daddy, why does the man in the statue have a kitchen knife taped to his gun?"

Better check your facts. Yes you can get SKS rifles for pretty cheap. If you "simply cut the pin in the magazine" it turns into a MAJOR criminal offense. Also, no airline carrier is going to allow a loaded firearm on a plane. You have to have the weapons locked up and safe. FAC hasn't been used for years. PAL is the new license. It's not "dead easy" to get either. There's a written and practical test, background check, and paperwork to go through to get it. Not hard but not 'dead easy'.

Lol comparing mexico with drug cartels that own towns.


NYC pretty much banned all weapons, the violent crime rate is low. The largest city in USA didn't even get in top 30, Detroit with CC is number one.

There are very few legit offers on the Armory. I mean.... Its not like I have ever been on it..  ::)
I wouldn't be too worried yet.

1) Correlations don't establish cause-and-effect
2) Cherry picking correlations in an attempt to prove one's point is disingenuous.

As Holliday pointed out, Baltimore is hard to explain away based on gun laws there.  What's more, Baltimore is in Maryland, one of the most restrictive gun law states.  While most states are what's called "shall issue" (i.e. states issue CC permits based purely on background check), Maryland is one of the few "may issue" states where you need a "good reason" to CC.

Bottom line: criminals have guns regardless of which state they're in because they don't obey the law by definition.  They obtain guns easily for cash with no background check and carry them concealed all the time.  Laws can't stop this.

Btw in Baltimore:

Concealed carry by permit
No permit to buy a handgun
Violent rate a lot less than detroit

Bottom line it's very hard to get a gun in NYC and in 40 years it become docile.

Now you are just lying, not surprised. In MD you can get a handgun easily without a state license.

25% less crime is huge, keep it coming.

You said that its hard to get a gun, it isn't hard to get a gun at all. MD has only restrictions on CC.

In NYS you need a license for handguns, NYC has very restrictive licensing aside from NYS license. Handguns don't prevent crimes. People think its easy to shoot someone under stress, it's actually very hard.

Defensive weapons like shotguns do, easy to use and handle.

Most people with handguns don't know how to handle them, because no one requires them to take any training. Most of the guns that criminals use were stolen from clueless owners or bought by family members. The owners of these guns should be responsible very dearly for misuse of weapons.

LOL. You're so silly. Buffallo has CC. in NYC hard to get a weapon, but NYS has CC.


Exactly the point. In the same state a city that has CC and a city that doesn't. Lets see stats are again against you.


They don't. If someone pulls a gun on you, you will be dead before you'll get yours out.

Nice

You can't just repeat your unfounded statement and expect anyone to believe it.  Adding a stupid hypothetical isn't enough either.

If you want someone to believe you, you are going to need to examine the huge piles of data that clearly show the exact opposite of what you are saying, and you need to point out how all of it is wrong.

Good luck with that.

Well damn. Then I've been killed 13 times now.

In honor of this thread I went out in my back yard shooting shit with all our guns with my son and his buddies.

I took my 13 year old to Front Sight last weekend.  During the malfunction drills, he was clearing his jams and getting back on target faster than the cop taking the class.

I've only been killed once.  :(

How about Switzerland. Almost every house has at least one military riffle/machine gun and yet it's one of the safest places on this planet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yK5DH8iknQ

do you guys work from a script or something, or are you the same person & it's just that your record has got a scratch on it so repeats every so many beats/posts- someone has already said that here on this thread previously

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkumhBVPGdg

sweet jane ~ swiss free  :P

I lived in Baltimore for most of my life.  First of all, neither NYC nor Baltimore have banned guns.  While gun advocates my disagree the laws in NYC do not prevent anyone from owning guns, they just make it more of a pain in the ass. 

The difference between the two is how they deal with gun crimes.  In NYC if you HAVE a gun and commit a crime (and are convicted) you are going to jail for a LONG time.   In Baltimore you do the same thing and you may get jail time, you may not.

Where Baltimore is particularly bad is in the situation where someone is held up at gunpoint and nobody is hurt.  The criminal is willing to take the life of the victim but when convicted they will get a light sentence often on first time just probation.  The message seems to be that it is not so bad to do this and it keeps happening until somebody dies. 

What is the URL of this site?

Silk Road's URL is written in Wikipedia, but I couldn't find the URL of armory anywhere.

Read this article.

http://dailyanarchist.com/2011/06/21/how-and-why-to-get-to-silk-road/

You feel safe, but do you feel free from the encroachments of tyranny?

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
   -Benjamin Franklin

Thanks.

It could be that the economic and social conditions in Switzerland are vastly different from what they are in Detroit or South Central LA..
In an affluent, homogeneous neighborhood with police protection, why would the place be unsafe ?
I'd be interested in seeing statistics pointing to an absence of correlation between gun detention rates and crime rates, that is statistics taking into account economic and social conditions.

The day the only armed people in LA are the LAPD is the day I move away. They've got to be one of the most aggressive, power-mad police forces in the country, and yes I've been to NY/Boston/DC/etc. At least the punks with guns force the LAPD to think twice about harassing random people.

It drives me crazy when rich people think they're helping by sending MORE people with guns into the neighborhood - cops. They're happy to call drug addiction a sickness, but of course violent neighborhoods need more gun laws, not social workers.

or maybe they need both?

In the US, I can't think of any legitimate reason to own a unregistered weapon. Possession an unregistered weapon is a huge liability, considering the consequences of getting caught.

There is no gun registration in the US except for fully automatic firearms and the like.

I stand corrected. Ha, I should have known that. Cash sales in the classifieds are common where I live.

I did make a false dichotomy there. Nonetheless I think the best course of action is to go after the root causes, since going after gun owners is just causing more problems.

You poor sap, grow up, grow a pair, and learn how to be civil.

Funny, I've heard the same thing from criminals, who want all their victims disarmed and defenseless.

Heh, just took a look at what is offered over there at the armory. Not a whole lot for sale right now. And the prices are (at least to me) outrageous.

Maybe I should put a couple hunderd $ into a gun and sell it for 700 BTC, sounds like a good way to make a crapload of money!

I checked it out once... prices did not seem all that rediculous to me.... But I don't buy guns so what do I know..... I'll sick a local cum dumpster on ya before I shoot ya.....

There's a lot of cum dumpsters lately

You're paying a premium for an off-the-books firearm.  Sure you can shop around for the best price on, say, a Glock 19 and walk into the gun store and buy one.  But you have to go through the background check, waiting period, etc. so your name and address are in the system now.

Exactly now can someone list one of these?
http://mobile.designtaxi.com/news/353168/The-World-s-Smallest-Gun/

That is so cute...



Don;t fuck with me or i'll blow your fingernail off :)

That thing is actually more lethal than a bigger gun. The tiny bullet will enter you and bounce around making little holes. The ER will have hard time stopping the bleeding and you will die. That thing is scary.

It used to be that in many US states you could buy privately owned firearms without any paperwork. I remember acquiring a Glock 19 from a (non-FFL) guy who advertised in the local Penny Saver. Went to his house, paid him cash, I didn't ask for a receipt and and he didn't ask for ID. So I got an off-the-books firearm by accident. That was many years ago in the mid-west.

Is this still possible today? I wouldn't know as I now live in NYC where you can't even touch a handgun without a permit and you can own at most 2 registered handguns. Looking up the regional gun laws on the NRA-ILA web site it seems like it is still possible. However I would imagine that today most private sellers would always ask the buyer for ID.

That is way government people should not own guns.

I was checking their forums now and again to stay up to date on what's going on and how it's progressing and from my very limited impression I don't believe there ever were any legitimate trades made and the ads were just mostly scammers trying to score.

damn it

My belief in humanity is restored...

Why?  The Armory wasn't shut down due to some noble anti-gun sentiment.  It's simply a failed business model.

Drugs are one thing, but sending illegal firearms in the mail is a whole other league of risky. I don't think the Armory will be missed that much.

Good riddance! That is all

Good thing none of this shit matters now that you can use a cheap 3d printer to make your own gun :D :D :D

it was probably one of the riskiest business models ever.  probably for the better that it's gone.

I think you're right... Abusing your body with wonderful mind altering drugs is one thing.

Seriously (http://haveblue.org/?p=1321).

Europeans are bitching, as always on that matter :)

Well, there are plenty of Americans who feel the same way.  You can say good riddance, glad to see them gone etc etc, but some kind of weapons marketplace will start again.  There is a demand for firearms in a free, open marketplace; someone else with a different business model will take the Armory's place eventually.  There's not a thing anyone can really do about it.

nothing new.. you can buy it on black market personaly, or via armony through tor...

dont think it makes something worse... because of, if you want to buy it, you can do it... the same is about SR

Yeah, fact is that bad guys get guns all the time quite easily without paperwork, just cash and carry.  The Armory was basically no help at all.  Hardly anyone was using the site.

No offense, but weapons sold on the Armory website are exppppeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeensive.

So are the drugs... You are paying a premium for a service. SR charges 10% ontop of what a vendor asks. plus the vendor asking more for having to ship the unit.

No offense, but no one's looking for a deal on The Armory.  They're looking to purchase off-the-books firearms.  Those carry a premium.

This.

As someone who likes guns and likes privacy, I saw no real benefit to having the Armory. In most states in the US, you can get what you want and do so privately or semi-privately, and completely legally. We're lucky to have some REALLY powerful lobbyists that have successfully hampered the government's tracking of firearms ownership.

The only thing I could have seen the Armory being good for would be things like illegal full-auto conversion kits, and the demand for those is pretty small.

I like to point out that when the Washington DC "sniper" was operating...the "sniper" had the cops and government at wit's end and they were revealed as being powerless to stop them. They sent agents out to local gun stores in the states surrounding DC and had to go through all sales records BY HAND looking for gun sales that matched the caliber of the bullets they had found, then had to presumably do background checks, investigations and personal interviews of people who had bought those weapons. The manpower to pull that off was staggering. And that was just for guns bought from a dealer. The private sale market will give you another layer of privacy. So the Armory really wasn't offering much that wasn't offered before. Shit...who is going to pay 2X market value for a gun with the serial number filed off, so that if a cop one day sees that gun you are in a world of hurt? Just buy the same gun from a reputable dealer, for almost as much privacy at half the price and without the legal liabilities attached to it.

I agree that it's good that the Armory is closing. It will be good PR for bitcoins and will hopefully keep some of the "ZOMG! GUNS!" pantywaist types from freaking out so much.

Are you perhaps one of those ignorant people who thinks USA is the whole planet? There are other countries, you know, where not only are you tracked if you manage to get a gun but in most cases they forbid you with the threat of violence to even get one.

No, smartass, but I recognize that 80% of exchange volume is in USD and that every time I saw weapons for sale on The Armory, they were coming from the US. Rather than write a 4 page post covering every possible contingency, I wrote a couple paragraphs covering over 80% of all contingencies. Thanks for your concern about my ignorance, though.

http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/volumepie/

I for one accept this new paradigm shift, for more information please look at my name, also I've bought things from SR GET AT ME FBI.

EDIT: I am so edgy.

The Armory is no more.. It's gone....

Sooner or later, another tor service will come to fill it's place I bet.

Probably already has. No ones cares though... I feel that if The Armory attached to SR didn't work I doubt anything else will...... Not a very big market... Smart people know better :P I hope

There IS another one

Really?

Oh I thought this site was dead. Thanks for the link :D

I don't suppose someone could *cough* put the .onion address in my inbox *cough* *cough* could they? :)

The Armory has been shut down.

I haven't searched in a while, since the Armory was shutdown, has an alternative weapons marketplace sprung up yet?

Black Market Reloaded has everything mentioned.

I don't suppose you have that onion address? :)

I've probably said too much already.

Some of you seem pretty lazy even compared to me :)

have any other weapons marketplaces sprung up since this?

The place mentioned above may have what you're looking for.

does anyone have another marketplace besides the ones mentioned that are shutdown?

http://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/

just going to put this out there, www.uspatriotarmory.com (http://www.uspatriotarmory.com)

I get the whole underground thing but when it comes to certain weapons the whole 80% deal seems to be safer way to go.  Unless you are looking for something unique I would think this site would solve some goals in a pinch.

Guns are for pussies! I hope they have staves or nunchaku that I can use to fuck some shit up!

And who decides who the responsible ones are, and who picks the ones doing the deciding?

The US government has classified me under an unsavory category, yet you will find no one I have ever harmed outside of service in the military. No have I done drugs, stolen anything etc. They just didn't like what I had to say.

I say rights can not be regulated in any fashion. If someone abuses them it is a tort they can be sued for. If the infraction jeopardizes someones life then the others around them can exercises the right of self defense or defense of a 3rd party and save the trial. Problem solved, no government regulation needed. That is responsible citizenship and gun control...:)

I'm sorry, but it's just too early for accepting Darkcoins. The source hasn't even been published yet, so noone should use Darkcoin, except for (beta)-testing purposes. The Armory should know that. Also the coin is in such an early stage that the price fluctuates too much to be used. It could be that they try to manipulate the price by such an announcement? (Don't get me wrong, I love what Darkcoin is doing, it's just in a too early stage to use it like that right now.)