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Instead of continuing to troll Nxt, I decided to do some research to be more informed on my attack campaign. What I discovered was an amazing project and community.

It came down to me being butthurt that I missed out on the original offering by BCnext. But I realized that it is still early days. We're equivalent to the $1 days in BTC right now in Nxt. We missed the cents days but there is still profit to be had.

That is really big gun!

MKay, someone doesn't like Java.

But exo is using udp for transmission, not the best thing to use for reliability.

Java is used quite often in the business industry. You can't argue for a coin's success or failure based on the programming platform, especially when Java and C++ are concerned.

Yes for websites/ games whatever. But you would not create a worldwide decentralized monetary system in java. I bet some school kids put it together after class and put it on bitcointalk as a joke. Too bad some people took it seriously.

C++ = Master Race

Java = Peasants


Enjoy your crap while it lasts because all of those java crap coins will die once people are introduced to EXO (Master Race). Finally I can enjoy military grade security for my investment UNLIKE Nxt. I haven't slept for months thinking someone is going to hack my insecure Nxt account.

I think TimeKoin proves that to be incorrect;) I'm not going to argue one coin over another, but I do think having a Java dependency adds complexity, AND it adds a very undesirable attack vector on a machine that is used to store someone else's money. It's the reason we're working with the I2P team on i2pd to allow Monero to use i2p without the Java dependency - the additional attack vector is hugely undesirable.

Sounds like FUD to me. Java is 2nd most popular language in the world, 2 places above C++;

http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

You can attack the coin, but the platform it's on when comparing the two is utterly irrelevant.

I like Java, Minecraft  8)

master race ? wtf are you on ?

Clash of Programming Languages  :o

Nothing says big guns and professional like eighties colored text and luminous logos and a coin that took months to get out of Beta cause it kept crashing.

plus exo seems to bring nothing new, doesn't seem to even have an Proper Asset Exchange, only BTC?. Why would anyone bother with this?

That's because any idiot with 6 months training can churn out simple Java apps...
But it takes a university education... and many years of experience to be a competent C++ engineer.

You obviously confuse McDonalds with 5 star restaurants.

Well said, sir.

Let these peasants feed on insect poo while watching their java joke coin die once EXO is unleashed on the world.

COBOL looks like it's set to make a nice breakout in the charts.

EXO is king. No more scams for anyone.

Decentralized java crypto platform, like NXT, isn't exactly a simple Java app, and if it lacked security, someone would have broken it already :)

The confusion is obviously on your side:

Simple C++ and Java applications can be written after studying a couple of months

To be a competent (senior) developer who can write complex applications you require some years of experience - this holds true for C++ and Java

I liked this, so I decided to quote it. Promise you'll still use this new account in 6 months so we can compare notes then?


While I'm here, did you know there is a bounty available to anyone from the 'java is rubbish' and 'nothing at stake' crews? It is currently valued at a large chunk of 40 million dollars!  :o :o :o Got to be the biggest bounty in crypto history!

All you have to do is exploit the easy, obvious weaknesses and terrible flaws in NXT and POS in general that are repeated endlessly and you will be able to claim a big chunk of the Nxt market cap. Easy money folks! So... on your, marks, set..... GO!!!


*waits for Nxt market cap to be drained to zero*

It has only been around for 6 months, give it time. If a hacker wants to attack a coin are they going to try to tackle a coin with military grade security (EXO) or noob grade security (Nxt).

It WILL happen. It is just a matter of when.

8 months :)

Can't wait for NXT to be hacked, bring it on!

What's so great about EXO's security?

NXT's security sucks but that's expected with a mandatory brain wallet.  I've been hearing about NXT wallets being emptied out by hackers back in November. .  if a lot of people lose sleep over Bitcoin vulnerability, I don't know how they'ld respond to something like NXT.

Bruteforcing a bad wallet password has nothing to do with hacking NXT as a technology.

Yeah cos "military grade security" never ever gets breached... right?

When I saw you lump node in with Java, I pretty much knew you have no idea what you're talking about. Node is javascript, not java. And as far as performance, node beats everything else when it comes to comparing the amount of transactions you can process for the same amount of resources (assuming you know what you're doing). Course, unless you're doing something centralized, it wouldn't really be needed, but the fact is that node.js is the "future" for a lot of things on the net.

No one will attack EXO, it has to be worth something first.

I wish I knew these sort of things about NODE but there isn't a convenient data sheet anywhere that I know of?

lol isn't Node a Nxt clone? Who cares, I don't follow shit. I've just heard the name in the same sentence as Nxt before.

NODE (the coin), as well as I think Crypti are both being developed using node.js.. There is a link to the wiki page on NODE for info on node.js.. But yeah, both coins could probably do a lot more to provide details about what it is and why they're using it.

PayPal - "Node.js powers our web applications and has allowed our teams to move much faster in bringing their designs to life."

Ebay - "Node’s evented I/O model freed us from worrying about locking and concurrency issues that are common with multithreaded async I/O."

Cex.io - "We use node.js in high-load applications with complex run-time logic. Due to its asynchronous architecture node.js gives vast possibilities"

Linkedin - "On the server side, our entire mobile software stack is completely built in Node. One reason was scale. The second is Node showed us huge performance gains."

And I could go on.

@cryptonaut

Why do you keep deleting my posts in the self moderated thread here? >>>> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=716818.0

You have deleted 6 already. What's wrong, afraid of some reasoned arguements?  :D


Here is a sample:




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And this one I reposted..

Looks like you really know what you're talking about  ::)


And in the light of this:

You should really think about moving out of his mom's basement in the foreseeable future  ;)

He's a funny dude :D has no clue about the value of things.

And what's wrong with java? Why do you think that c++ is better for a crypto coin?

I stopped reading when the analogy of "master race" and "peasants" was made.

If you can't even make a internally consistent analogy, there is little chance for a consistent argument :)

Anyway: upcoming Digital Goods Store in the new Nxt release, by the way :)
If people know of Indie musicians or game developers, have them have a look at it.
It's a great way to take distribution into their own hands.
On the 15th of August Sinan Boom is going to launch their new EP on it: https://soundcloud.com/sinan-bom
Do them a favour and buy it.

yeah, i don't understand why the OP can say that java coin will fail...

Can you give some examples of how Java is used in the business industry?

Actually nothing wrong with UDP. TCP is more reliable of course but UDP is faster and more efficient in query-response, broadcasting or tunneling scenarios. The only issue is the more exposure for the underlaying layers, so error checking and correction should be implemented in EXO, but ECC on the top of UDP can be done on many ways.

Oracle, SAP, a bunch of IBM stuff on OS/390 and AS400... but they surely just peasants in great poverty (unlike OP) so you can safely ignore them :).

Ooops... I've forgot Cisco, HP and Google. Sorry for that :).

Wow I didn't know they were all working on decentralized crypto currencies

Are you suggesting that a tool that isn't used for something *cannot* be used for something?
Scientific progress under your leadership would be quite a thing to see :)

Peter378 asked about "some examples of how Java is used in the business industry". Business != crypto currencies.

Glad you stopped deleting the posts on the other thread, cryptonaut, and let some debate develop  :D

i want to add Tibco, a very important middleware :)

How do you try to compare NEM with EXO?

Both of them seems to become some big things but without having the same roots.

NEM will be Proof of Interest; EXO will be a mix from Proof of Work and Proof of Stake.

So it is like you compare apples and oranges.  ;D

Ever heard of bitcoinj, or ethereumj ?
Probably not......

OP :

First post :

FUD thread with cryptonaut + atoni :
[WARNING] Nxt is a scam and I have PROOF (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=716818.0;all)

Sockpuppets ? Agenda ?

Red flag all the way.

They just heard that the Digital goods store is launching soon and paniced :D

LOL Exo is gonna be hated thanks to OP, threads like these do just damage to advertised product. Attacking others is the most stupid marketing.

Java is used on server side by Amazon, Gmail, Ebay, and almost all banks.  Try "hacking" Amazon and Gmail, the most popular server side Java apps.  Oracle's Java applet (browser plugin) has security problems, but Nxt is not an applet. It's a standalone server application.

We're talking about financial systems. So far I'm not seeing any particularly persuasive arguments over why C++ 11 is any better than Java, other than the OP being a holder of EXO.

It's too hard for people to make a difference between an applet on a dodgy website and a proper standalone application.



Exactly. Starting a new crypto by hating established crypto is shooting yourself in the foot.

I wonder what OP was thinking... It's all the way wrong.

Indeed Java is better for financial apps as it's easier to write safer code. No pointers to arbitrarily access memory, no buffer overruns, bound checking, etc.  C++  is is better choice for apps that require faster start up and native integration.  

Faster start up is totaly irrelevant for server apps that start once and run for weeks/months without shutting down. Native integration is not needed either. Funny to watch Exo having difficulty releasing linux version. Had he used Java instead, it would have been platform independent. There is absolutely no reason to write crypto (server side)   in C++. It's a bad choice for the job.  

It's fine to write crypto clients in C++, and indeed anyone can write Nxt client in C++ for Windows. The client interacts with server (written i Java) . On the client side faster start up and native integration with GUI would be more desirable.

All valid points. Provided the code is secure, I think whether it's written in C++ or Java is a moot point. Both languages have their respective strengths and weaknesses. C++ offers speed, but at the expense of being more vulnerable. I've coded in both languages, and personally I find Java cumbersome and verbose, but it is safer.

Personally, I prefer C++ as a language, but that's as a programmer, not an end-user.

Something which has not even been released, or does not look to be released in near future. It is supposed to destroy an already established coin like NXT.

Seems like somebody put a lot of money in this and is now trying hard to convince self.

Lol anyone who listens to this POS deserves to lose their money.

Java is interpreted, not compiled; it's under the control of Oracle Corporation. It's probably fine for a prototyping language and for quick interactive demos. But it does add a layer of complexity, which slows things down (not a huge problem with today's hardware) and creates another failure point. Silly peasant vs. master race rants aside, it does not strike me as the wisest choice to implement a wallet in java.

Java is compiled (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1326071/is-java-a-compiled-or-an-interpreted-programming-language), there is an implementation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenJDK#Collaboration_with_IBM.2C_Apple.2C_and_SAP) of java which basically exists because other corporations need a not-Oracle java, absolutely not under Oracle control, it has a very cumbersome (http://java.dzone.com/news/java-a-scripting-language) syntax and culture for prototyping, and has approximately the same complexity as the C++ runtime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Java_and_C%2B%2B#Language_features).

How's EXO doing, anyway?  This disinterred thread is the first I've heard of it.

You must be trolling.

Please everyone, let this ridiculous thread die.

Correction there, comes November 24th Nxt will be celebrating 1 year. So its 12 months in existence. If someone CAN hack nxt, they would have done it already. All the big account holders is open for anyone's view.

So... keep talking..

Java is compiled as bytecode and run by JVM. It's not just oracle, there are also other VMs, including Open JDK, which is open source. It doesn't add  another "layer of complexity". It adds more security and versatility (Same compiled bytecode behaves exactly same on Windows, Linux, Mac; you can't always say that about C++ apps, making it less secure).    It's much harder to write secure C++ applications, especially due to things like pointers that arbitrarily access memory and buffer overruns. It's much easier to miss bugs in C++ applications. It's much harder to fix bugs in C++ applications, even if you know there is a bug.  Vast majority of server side apps are written in Java. That includes almost all banks,, amazon, ebay. There is really no reason to write crypto in C++ as you don't need native integration with operating system and faster startups, two things that C++ does better.

I am pretty sure C++ is absolutely worst choice for crypto. Python is probably the best (Electrum?).

EXO is coming !

Prepare your btc! C++ new source code!

Just so: “PyBC Generic Blockchain Library (and coin!)” https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=252152.0

And, to lay down a nominal scale for one dimension: the main characterisation in this XKCDforum post http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=108685 seems broadly accurate in terms of speed of general-purpose processing:


Some interesting angles in KnightExemplar's insightful response of an alternative and very plausible framing of Tier 0 and Tier 1 as specialised and hardware languages respectively: http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=108685#p3575512 - but unlikely to be news to those of a mining persuasion.

Scaling a p2p architecture to support serious mass adoption is going to be fun.

Cheers

Graham

@cryptonaut
Your posts show me, that you didn't understand crypto yet. A coin is a protocol and not a software and much less depending on a language. You can rewrite the protocol with any language and use the same blockchain as long as you follow the same protocol.

Every serious coin will have multiple softwares in different languages. Security for the blockchain will not depend on the used software or language, as all participants are checking everything multiple times. So if one of the software programs has a security issue, all others will compensate that until it is fixed.

The main reason, why people are using java, is that you don't have to compile it on every OS again and again. Write once, run everywhere.
If you write in C or C++ you have to compile on windows, mac and linux. Even different linux may require some fixes, before you can actually compile the code.

This is so true. C++ is hell to compile on Windows vs Linux.
It's a handicap to use C++ if you want multiple OS.

Java was just about the only thing NXT (http://blog.bluemeanie.net/2014/10/nxt-coin-is-best-coin.html) had going for it.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wqxUewtQhbY/VEEvd_bNivI/AAAAAAAAAEo/vGl-moEeLcA/s1600/nxtcoinisbestcoin.png (http://blog.bluemeanie.net/2014/10/nxt-coin-is-best-coin.html)

bluemeanie1 / Joshua Zeidner what happened to my nxtscam.org profile?

What happened to the money you stole?

who do you think I stole money from?

This is probably just one example:
http://cointelegraph.com/news/112643/the-mystery-of-the-missing-1000000-nxt

I asked you a SIMPLE QUESTION.

who do you think I stole money from?

the crime of theft has a VICTIM.  Who is the victim?

or does jl777 only pay you to write "BLUEMEANIE STOLE ONE MILLION NXT"?  You people are such incredible losers it's amazing ppl like you even exist.

I think I asked you first.

oh this crap again.

you can't name a victim because THERE WAS NO CRIME.

now get a life.

You stole the money. Blockchain does not lie!

Why don't you answer?

Btw. I have no clue who jl777 is.

do you think anyone cares what you rent-a-trolls have to say about coin X or developer Y?

no one cares, and guess what?  your product- PROFESSIONAL TROLLING, is WORTHLESS.  get a real job.

you're about as influential as a goldfish.

So we're equal when it comes to influence.

Again why don't you answer, fellow goldfish?

You seem to like this guy   :D

Now that some steam is off, would you mind answering my question?

WHO DO YOU BELIEVE WAS ROBBED?


btw- anyone reading this thread can clearly see this person is not willing to answer this very simple question.  Why?  Why wouldn't he want to state who was robbed?  because no one was robbed.  because Jl777 paid him to promote this idea that I committed a crime, along with Edward DeLeon Hickman.  Just yet another example of how worthless these sources of information are.

we'll Im done here, I've answered YOUR question many times already.

You go first, I'll answer afterwards, that's the sequence we started.

if youre still reading LiQuo at this point you have very low intelligence.


I dont know what sort of god awful crap hole you live in, but where I'm from we have something called INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

again we are very similar, fellow goldfish  ;)

You took the money from jl777 which was funded via nxtautodac asset. You have memory problem now?

I never sold anyone anything.  The NxtAutoDAC asset was jl777s company.

This means that all you idiots are just pay-per-post trolls, so get lost.  Anyone who is reading your garbage I feel sorry for.

another lie?

so then officially you are in the employ of jl777, because we've established that it is IMPOSSIBLE that I took any money from anyone.

we call this in America 'hired goon', although perhaps it has a different term in your country of origin.

Who is "we"? Do you have multiple personalities?

So.....where this money douchebag?

In my country of origin, you will be in a state of sorry, dude.

lol, it is IMPOSSIBLE man...
He got the money BUT we (who?) established that this guy is the most honest person around and therefore you must trust his words.
Don't disagree with him or you'll be called a hired goon in USA...

This obfuscation again...  ::) Point out where anyone has ever said you sold NxtAutoDAC?

The sale of NxtAutoDAC asset /= accepting payment for work you never did. You are trying to conflate two separate and different issues again, the same as you did the same the first days after destroying the asset you were promoting days before with signed PGP messages.


We know you believe the sale of all crypto assets are illegal under the laws of your country. And it is irrelevant to the 1 million Nxt you received.

We also know you took payment of 1million Nxt (and 300,000 NxtAutoDAC assets) to develop products that would pay dividends through the NxtAutoDAC asset (VCorps you can be seen promoting was to be the first). You never did this.

When you are called out on *not doing the work you were paid to do*, the closest thing to a response is the above "I didn't sell any NxtAutoDAC". And you think people will be satisfied by this?


Do you deny 1 million Nxt was deposited in your account, the same one you used to issue your own altchain.org asset? If you don't deny this, how do you explain it arriving there? Where is the 1 million Nxt now?



I do not expect an answer to this. BM doesn't answer questions on this as it would harm his continued obfuscation, hoping to convince those who are just passing through and aren't interested enough to discover the facts that he is some kind of victim and has some credibility left intact.


Bluemeanie treats this article as an opinion piece  :D Look at the evidence yourself, the PGP signed messages from BM promoting the asset... the blockchain data of the 1 million Nxt transfer to an account known to be BlueMeanie's... and make up your own minds. Everyone is unanimous in their opinion so far.


http://cointelegraph.com/news/112643/the-mystery-of-the-missing-1000000-nxt

Sorry, got here just trying to learn more about NXT. A number of posts are vouching for Java, and, in any case, as has been pointed out, the NXT wallet is implementing a protocol, which is independent of any language or implementation. If someone had the time and resources, they could implement a wallet in hand-crafted assembly language.

The benefits of doing your own research  :D I think you are the third troll-to-nexter that I have come across. It is heartening to see more and more people digging deeper.


The tech is cutting edge and being delivered as described since January. Anyone who has problems with the distribution haven't been keeping up with developments. The next few months should be interesting.