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units of evil?

You mean negative trust?

From what I understand, if you are creating a new account from an IP address which had previously been used by a malicious entity (banned account, spambot, etc.), then you would be required to pay a small amount before you can use that account. It's a deterrent against spammers, scammers, spambots and trolls who try to abuse the liberties provided by the forum by posting from proxies. Suffice it to say that if you're creating a new account using Tor, then you won't be free to do what you want without shelling out some cash.

Tor = 50 units of evil by default, I think.


large amount added to all IPs used
small amount added to IP subnet

Create an account with TOR and see what OP is talking about.


All IPS used to abuse, and their subnets, gain these points, and at some point, you will need to pay to post.

Also with TOR and known vpn and proxies.

When you register, the IP that you used when you submitted the registration form is used to calculate your evilness. The more frequently this IP or its neighbors were banned, the more evil is associated with your account. The amount of evil associated with an IP decays slowly over time, but the amount of evil associated with an account does not. You must pay or be manually whitelisted to enable posting on one of these "banned" accounts.

Here are some stats:

Evil	% new users
0	53
0-1	35
1-10	4.4
10-20	0.80
20-50	2.2
50-100	1.3
100+	2.9

Currently each unit of evil requires a payment of 4023 satoshi. You only need to pay something if you have 1 or more, though.

BTW, there are lots of VPNs on residential IP addresses.

Eg: thousands of free residential IP VPNs here http://www.vpngate.net/en/

I'm imagining not many people use these VPNs on bitcointalk, but this can lead to average residential users getting units of evil on their IPs.

It looks like that 90%+ of accounts registered do not have to worry about this (assuming that 0-1 have less then 1 evil)

From the looks of it, you should not be using TOR to register your forum account (if you do you will have to pay).

Wow I definitely just learned something. Never knew of this before today.

hhmm,.. first time i sign up in here, i get 5. units of evil...
lol... how do they know amount of evil in mine?
XD
but what i must to do? i must paid 2mBTC for this account.. XD
hahaha

Same here, it's quite interesting. Is there any way to determine how many units of evil are associated with your account without a receiving payment prompt (therefore, either 0 or at least below 1)? I couldn't find it on my profile, and I'm curious.

Don't worry - Tor wont be evil any more once Mike "Bitcoin Judas" Hearn is done adding blacklists to it.

So no more accounts can be registered with Tor in the future, right?
What about using Tor to log in an existing account?   ???

Using tor to login to an account doesn't gives you unit of evil. You must create the account with your real actual IP to bypass the fee. The forums would immediately detect your IP as a tor node and force you to pay a fee, this feature already exist.

Yup, I know the existing evil system and I know that you need to pay a small fee to register a new account with an evil IP.

But, I haven't heard of the blacklist system justusranvier mentioned, and I would like to know more about it.
Can anyone share some info or maybe a link?

For real? I was oblivious to mechanic like that? The fee is real? Why someone would like to tax people who want to be anonymous? Maybe you can't ban them if they are using TOR, thats why.

I believe the Evil system is to prevent people registering a new account, spamming with posts and PMs, getting banned, registering another new account, and do it all over again and again.

https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2014-July/004997.html

there are no units associated with your account if you didn't get the payment prompt

so yes, from 0-1


you can create any number of accounts using Tor, you just have to pay a small fee so you start posting

it's usually some sum around 0.6$ I think

The forum actually earns quite a lot using this method, they should use the money so we get avatars back :D

For accounts created with Tor, the cost is 50mBTC at least.

And you can use Tor, proxy and evil IPs at will that you won't be banned, but not sure if the account is any way flagged by the forum or by moderation if you do that.

This is fascinating.  Would someone please post a link to the rules where this is described?  (Is it described?)

Given this evil system I'm even more surprised there are so many shill and sockpuppet accounts.

Since Torbrowser is my default - except for bitcointalk - am I at risk of having my account blocked if I by mistake log in to bitcointalk using Torbrowser? Or can I at this point switch to Torbrowser anyway, since I created my account with my normal IP?

Thanks guys!

I think that if you signed up with a normal IP, you won't get any units of evil since they are calculated when you first register.

Nice way to revenue raise and make the baddies pay

Yes, unlocking evil points by paying in Bitcoin is a kind of donation to bitcointalk.org, and that's all good. I wish wikipedia would follow the same idea, and it would finally solve the Tor and proxy dilemma.

This is an amazing idea that could help wikipedia allow anonymous edits. And it would all be thanks to the cryptocurrency Bitcoin.
The users unlock their registered wikipedia accounts with Bitcoin when registering through Tor, and the money is kept at wikipedia, just like a donation.

In short, this is good for Tor and Bitcoin. If you are caught in stereotypes about Tor being only evil then please search for "State Of The Onion [31c3]". You can watch some of the developers of Tor giving a presentation. How journalists are allowed to speak freely thanks to Tor existing, if not, journalists get harassed by secret services to not look into various things that they would like to investigate, among more reasons.

If you dont mind me asking, why did u post in a thread that has been dead for a year?

Its not really about collecting revenue or punishing anonymity. How its set up, any user who wants to register an account via Tor is paying so little that they could collect it from faucets. The idea behind it is to prevent people from registering thousands of accounts and doing things they shouldn't.

It's not punishing anonymity. It's "punishing" bad behavior used through anonymity(leaving the good side untouched). By simply using your account created with Tor and being a good person you prove that you are a good Tor user proved by own actions.
If spammers have to use faucets to collect Bitcoin then that will be a hindrance to spammers, so all good   :D
SaltySpitoon, also do you believe that it would be more useful to throw those symbolic amounts of Bitcoin away rather than keep them? (I mean the XBT that are used against the evil points)

And it's an awesome idea! It should spread to other sites that experience spam from Tor exit nodes. One idea is Wikipedia which blocks Tor users from editing Wikipedia. If they implemented a scheme with having to pay a symbolic amount of Bitcoin to "unlock" an account then Bitcoin would be the first solution provided for this standing problem.
If the Wikipedia user was a spammer then after blocking that user, their efforts didn't go to waste as:
1. They blocked an assumed bad user(we assume it actually is a hurtful to wikipedia bad user)
2. Wikipedia gets compensation in a symbolic amount of Bitcoin.