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[ruggedman_dan]

units of evil?

You mean negative trust?

[Relnarien]

How are is the units of Evil thing calculated when making someone pay in order to start posting with an account? What criteria is used to make someone have to pay at all?

From what I understand, if you are creating a new account from an IP address which had previously been used by a malicious entity (banned account, spambot, etc.), then you would be required to pay a small amount before you can use that account. It's a deterrent against spammers, scammers, spambots and trolls who try to abuse the liberties provided by the forum by posting from proxies. Suffice it to say that if you're creating a new account using Tor, then you won't be free to do what you want without shelling out some cash.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

Tor = 50 units of evil by default, I think.

How are is the units of Evil thing calculated when making someone pay in order to start posting with an account? What criteria is used to make someone have to pay at all?

large amount added to all IPs used
small amount added to IP subnet

[Brewins]

units of evil?

You mean negative trust?

Create an account with TOR and see what OP is talking about.


All IPS used to abuse, and their subnets, gain these points, and at some point, you will need to pay to post.

Also with TOR and known vpn and proxies.

[theymos]

When you register, the IP that you used when you submitted the registration form is used to calculate your evilness. The more frequently this IP or its neighbors were banned, the more evil is associated with your account. The amount of evil associated with an IP decays slowly over time, but the amount of evil associated with an account does not. You must pay or be manually whitelisted to enable posting on one of these "banned" accounts.

Here are some stats:

Evil	% new users
0	53
0-1	35
1-10	4.4
10-20	0.80
20-50	2.2
50-100	1.3
100+	2.9

Currently each unit of evil requires a payment of 4023 satoshi. You only need to pay something if you have 1 or more, though.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

BTW, there are lots of VPNs on residential IP addresses.

Eg: thousands of free residential IP VPNs here http://www.vpngate.net/en/

I'm imagining not many people use these VPNs on bitcointalk, but this can lead to average residential users getting units of evil on their IPs.

[Connor936]

It looks like that 90%+ of accounts registered do not have to worry about this (assuming that 0-1 have less then 1 evil)

From the looks of it, you should not be using TOR to register your forum account (if you do you will have to pay).

[ruggedman_dan]

Wow I definitely just learned something. Never knew of this before today.

[thegold]

hhmm,.. first time i sign up in here, i get 5. units of evil...
lol... how do they know amount of evil in mine?
XD
but what i must to do? i must paid 2mBTC for this account.. XD
hahaha

[Dare]

Wow I definitely just learned something. Never knew of this before today.

Same here, it's quite interesting. Is there any way to determine how many units of evil are associated with your account without a receiving payment prompt (therefore, either 0 or at least below 1)? I couldn't find it on my profile, and I'm curious.

[justusranvier]

Don't worry - Tor wont be evil any more once Mike "Bitcoin Judas" Hearn is done adding blacklists to it.

[Nagato4]

Don't worry - Tor wont be evil any more once Mike "Bitcoin Judas" Hearn is done adding blacklists to it.

So no more accounts can be registered with Tor in the future, right?
What about using Tor to log in an existing account?   

[ranochigo]

Don't worry - Tor wont be evil any more once Mike "Bitcoin Judas" Hearn is done adding blacklists to it.

So no more accounts can be registered with Tor in the future, right?
What about using Tor to log in an existing account?   

Using tor to login to an account doesn't gives you unit of evil. You must create the account with your real actual IP to bypass the fee. The forums would immediately detect your IP as a tor node and force you to pay a fee, this feature already exist.

[Nagato4]

Don't worry - Tor wont be evil any more once Mike "Bitcoin Judas" Hearn is done adding blacklists to it.

So no more accounts can be registered with Tor in the future, right?
What about using Tor to log in an existing account?   

Using tor to login to an account doesn't gives you unit of evil. You must create the account with your real actual IP to bypass the fee. The forums would immediately detect your IP as a tor node and force you to pay a fee, this feature already exist.

Yup, I know the existing evil system and I know that you need to pay a small fee to register a new account with an evil IP.

But, I haven't heard of the blacklist system justusranvier mentioned, and I would like to know more about it.
Can anyone share some info or maybe a link?

[Hazir]

Don't worry - Tor wont be evil any more once Mike "Bitcoin Judas" Hearn is done adding blacklists to it.

So no more accounts can be registered with Tor in the future, right?
What about using Tor to log in an existing account?   

Using tor to login to an account doesn't gives you unit of evil. You must create the account with your real actual IP to bypass the fee. The forums would immediately detect your IP as a tor node and force you to pay a fee, this feature already exist.

For real? I was oblivious to mechanic like that? The fee is real? Why someone would like to tax people who want to be anonymous? Maybe you can't ban them if they are using TOR, thats why.

[Nagato4]

Don't worry - Tor wont be evil any more once Mike "Bitcoin Judas" Hearn is done adding blacklists to it.

So no more accounts can be registered with Tor in the future, right?
What about using Tor to log in an existing account?   

Using tor to login to an account doesn't gives you unit of evil. You must create the account with your real actual IP to bypass the fee. The forums would immediately detect your IP as a tor node and force you to pay a fee, this feature already exist.

For real? I was oblivious to mechanic like that? The fee is real? Why someone would like to tax people who want to be anonymous? Maybe you can't ban them if they are using TOR, thats why.

I believe the Evil system is to prevent people registering a new account, spamming with posts and PMs, getting banned, registering another new account, and do it all over again and again.

[dserrano5]

But, I haven't heard of the blacklist system justusranvier mentioned, and I would like to know more about it.
Can anyone share some info or maybe a link?

https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2014-July/004997.html

[ShibaWow]

Wow I definitely just learned something. Never knew of this before today.

Same here, it's quite interesting. Is there any way to determine how many units of evil are associated with your account without a receiving payment prompt (therefore, either 0 or at least below 1)? I couldn't find it on my profile, and I'm curious.

there are no units associated with your account if you didn't get the payment prompt

so yes, from 0-1

Don't worry - Tor wont be evil any more once Mike "Bitcoin Judas" Hearn is done adding blacklists to it.

So no more accounts can be registered with Tor in the future, right?
What about using Tor to log in an existing account?  

you can create any number of accounts using Tor, you just have to pay a small fee so you start posting

it's usually some sum around 0.6$ I think

The forum actually earns quite a lot using this method, they should use the money so we get avatars back

[Malin Keshar]

Wow I definitely just learned something. Never knew of this before today.

Same here, it's quite interesting. Is there any way to determine how many units of evil are associated with your account without a receiving payment prompt (therefore, either 0 or at least below 1)? I couldn't find it on my profile, and I'm curious.

there are no units associated with your account if you didn't get the payment prompt

so yes, from 0-1

Don't worry - Tor wont be evil any more once Mike "Bitcoin Judas" Hearn is done adding blacklists to it.

So no more accounts can be registered with Tor in the future, right?
What about using Tor to log in an existing account?  

you can create any number of accounts using Tor, you just have to pay a small fee so you start posting

it's usually some sum around 0.6$ I think

The forum actually earns quite a lot using this method, they should use the money so we get avatars back

For accounts created with Tor, the cost is 50mBTC at least.

And you can use Tor, proxy and evil IPs at will that you won't be banned, but not sure if the account is any way flagged by the forum or by moderation if you do that.