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I never understood why cryptotraders and exchanges support ICO's, my reasoning is this: An ICO gets funded, then they do what, they SELL the BTC they raised for fiat and push the price dive on BTC, thus taking all those BTC out of the trade environment, anyone thinking that an ICO would reinvest into the exchange is naive. This hurts everyone, even the exchanges. You might say "Well the exchanges get fee's on ico" well that is true, but they are losing all future potential fee's on those coins, if they had continued trade on the market.

So in Short - ICO's are killing Bitcoin and CryptoMarkets.

Exchanges dont care for anything else then profit.

They will list scam coins as long people will pay for votes for enlistment.

They're not killing Bitcoin. They prove to the world that there's no reason to wait for something better.

But thats exactly what happens.. Take a look at  Ortho ICO, funds release DEV heads for the hills and sells off his coins.

https://c-cex.com/?p=ortho-btc

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=788907.0

or the Dozens of other Scams ICO's..

they might aswell just 100% premine. or BTC Loan that I will never repay and here are some useless coins for you trouble.

Most people get paid AFTER they've done the work, NOT before.

If you have something that needs to get funded, try BitPools...funding from the people to the solution.

So first it was the mining pools killing bitcoin, then it was altcoins killing bitcoin, then it was the bitcoin foundation killing bitcoin, then it was regulation from governments killing bitcoin, then it was exchanges killing bitcoin, now its ICO's killing bitcoin....What's next, your dog ate my bitcoin private keys so he's killing bitcoin too?
 

Try focusing your thoughts better, Big Corporations that accept bitcoin, sell it for fiat immediately, such as Newegg, Overstock(they still keep a few % of their bitcoin sales in bitcoin however), Dell, etc etc. They are what causes the Bitcoin price to become stagnant(good thing), or decrease from the sell pressure(bad thing), not ico's.

You had it on the first paragraph then said the same thing he did on the second.

The responsibility of integration of bitcoin to economic ecosystem and current structures lies with you, not them. It is the lack of right approach which is the issue.

Just ignore 99% of alts and just buy Huntercoin. 

Makes life much simpler.

No the second paragraph was me telling him how his belief that Bitcoin's downward price is coming from ICO's, which is not true, and it's better for him to think that it's coming from Companies accepting bitcoin and immediately selling it for fiat, which is 100% true. The day when corporations accept bitcoin and keep a decent enough % in bitcoin, without exchanging to fiat, is the day Bitcoin becomes mainstream.

FIFY

All alts have zero long term value. To date I have seen no alt that can give any real feature that bitcoin does not provide

Better to push two global currencies at once to not freak the Christians out about a single currency dominating the world.

The alt must bring in new people and not pull people away from the Bitcoin mining network.  The way it is distributed has to be different than BTC, but not sacrifice security or pull away from the network.  

Hense my support.  

Really as a Bitcoin holder you should want to see Bitcoin flow into anything but fiat due to those razor thin markets :D (I understand a lot of trades take place off the exchanges of course)

Well you can't stop them, if there is money to be made who wouldn't want to. The main thing here is to educate peopld to be carefully when selecting the right investment.

I don't agree. Are IPOS killing the stock market? You can make so much money from investing in the right ICO, all you need is a little guidance. No one is being forced to buy any ICO and frankly speaking, I didn't think the btc made from any ICO is enough to destabilize the price of bitcoin.

No bitcoin leaves the trading environment. If you sell then someone has to buy. So I don't think this problem that your speaking of even exists.

Faster transaction times and genuine anonymity are two features that I can name off the top of my head.

I understand where you are coming from, I also don't think that a million altcoins are necessary, but that is the only way that we can have a free and unregulated trading environment where you don't have to use fiat. So I am all for the creation of altcoins because now I am making real money

Well, they can't "kill" bitcoin at all. There is no need to compare shitty scamcoins with Bitcoin.

Nowadays the altcoin market is filled with a bunch of newbies, scammers, and gamblers.

Can someone tell me if any of the other 500 or so alts have been adopted in the real world?
Im struggling to find any tech from any coin that is being used in the day to day world.

There are not any altcoins that actually offer "faster" transaction times. There are many that offer fast block confirmation times, but this is not the same as faster transaction times. With bitcoin you can know with a good amount of certainty that a TX will confirm after only a few seconds.

You can also establish anonymity with bitcoin by simply using a mixer that does not keep logs.

Exchanges are purely interested in profit, in fact they more often than not list altcoins which are more likely to be pump and dumps.

In fact, ICOs on Bitcoin create metacoins which are more stable when Bitcoin and these altcoins were falling in price.

I think ICOs would not be as popular if Bitcoin would be more open minded towards making changes, improving the ease of use, and adding features. Bitcoin drove me to alternative currencies due to its shortcomings. Using Bitcoin is like playing Nintendo 64 in 2014.

nah, using bitcoin is more convenient and fast than playing Nintendo 64.

I kill at N64

I can tell you. The answer is 'no'.

The real world recognizes the utility of bitcoin and bitcoin alone -- at least to the extent that it recognizes cryptocurrenies at all. To the world at large (i.e. people other than those of us who obsess over the matter on bitcointalk and reddit/bitcoin), cryptocurrency _is_ Bitcoin. End of discussion.

I believe most of the people and organisations who deal in bitcoin view it as means to transfer value from A to B, hence "currency" in cryptocurrency. what hurts bitcoin the most is people treating it as an investment in my oppinion. to sum it up icos might be hurting a portion of bitcoin price, but its essentially impossible to "kill" already established working currency with promise of becoming one. if any coin kills bitcoin it will be long past the ico stage of its life.

ICOs are just expanding the world of cryptos into real life projects and products, so they are beneficial to give a reason to be to cryptocurrencies. That's the contrary of "killing Bitcoin".

interesting idea. All the capital is now in ico, and not in bitcoin, it's like one of the options that bitcoin does not grow. but not the main

A small dump from a ICO won't kill bitcoin , maybe the price goes down temporarily but people will buy those coins again. This is the same when a whale sells their stack , it is all part of the market. And as long as their are enough people who will give money these ico's it will keep happening.

Yes i agree, scam ICO coins kill bitcoin and other value cryptocurrency coins...

Most newbs are just impatient.

They need to do a lot of reading and research before they get into ICO.

They buy any ICO and expect it to be the next bitcoin.

Actually the fake ICO and the such ICOs who reasons is only to collect the money is really creating problems for bitcoin, people after losing money there become disappointed and then remain too much cautious and try to avoid investing their fiat currency in bitcoin or any other altcoins. Therefore we need to be careful while selected an ICO for investing money.

It is a little strange reflection that the ICO conducted, as they collect bitcoins as an investment for their project, and then these bitcoins are sold, this negatively affects bitcoin. This statement was written back in 2014, but since then no one has expressed such an idea and did not associate the ICO with the drop in the rate of bitcoin. Maybe the bitcoine course recently fell due to the fact that last year there were already 902 ICO spent? A very strange statement

This is not very accurate. Almost all of the Ethereum Blockchain and smart contracts based cryptocurrencies are in-service ecosystem currencies.  Bitcoin is universal transaction based currency.

I mean in the end everyone is profit driven so if it's healthy for the exchange they'll do it.

Many ICOs right now are running in Etherum, it is very rare to see ICO that participant can buy with their bitcoin directly mostly are using Etherum, it is totally different long before eth discovered. They will dump their token to etherum not to the bitcoin so if you don't have to worry about it, is this killing Etherum? of course no, everyone sells their coins to etherum in order to get profit then buy Etherum again when New ICO is coming the cycle will be repeated, .

Well exchanges is a business place, whenever the owners  think that they can make profit then they will enlisted the ICO, not all ICO is bad, some of them got a really good potential, so it's a healthy rivalry for bitcoin, I don't see anything wrong with that, the investors got more to option in crypto and for me that is a good thing, don't worry about bitcoin it will survive and still stay on top

i think you a quite wrong. in many ICO, bitcoin is still accepted in payment, so bitcoin holder no need to sell their bitcoin.
they can invest in ICO using bitcoin too. besides, bitcoin demands is still high nowadays.

You are right at your argument point but still there is another factor that forced all the exchange to accept ICOs new new coin .
In this world everyone is free to show his talent and power and also everyone free to make his coin , so every time new new coins are entering in this field and many small exchange give support to them for the launch of the coin Because they know very well if they will help new coin then there may be most of the chances that coin may be reach to a high level ( example is neo coin ) .
So don't think anyone about coin in very small way , they may prove in more better way or they can enter with new technology in this field and can beat another low potential technology's coins .
And also increasing in numbers of the altcoins increasing the demand of the bitcoin , so it is also a +be point for us to make money with bitcoin hold .

Erm, not all ICOs take Bitcoins, it's usually ETH actually, which is a giant polished turd that's going to fail unless some major changes are made anyway so who cares? I'd like to see some Bitcoin tokens but sadly we don't see any decent new tech very quickly in the wonderful world of Bitcoin. Maybe this decade we'll see mimblewimble, a working LN etc, but I'm assuming these will be 2020 or later before we see these major improvements to Bitcoin.

Not at all. I think Bitcoin is the king of Crypto market. So, no one can beat them!

You are right, not all ICO's are killing when in fact they are lifting each other because of Bitcoin, ICO has been found out and because of ICO bitcoins demand is increasing rapidly, so they are really complimenting each other.

I do always look forward for a new coin in the market but im also worried about the bitcoin and its future. Added coin on the market for sell i quite good for customer's choice but it will decrease the chances for people to buy bitcoin because of probability that people will buy another coin. We need to continue promoting bitcoin for it to not lose its value in the cryptomarket.

I totally agree with you. Many new ico will come out every day, so the new ico will reduce the market share of bitcoins. And many ico are not really useful, they are a scam, but the exchanges are not going to check the reliability of these ico in order to make money.

I also do not understand why ICOs can kill Bitcoin. Yes, there are some nontrusted projects that make scam offers, and it can affect crypto negatively. But kill?...

I agree that crypto ICOs are killing bitcoins and it is because of a number of reasons:

1) Scam ICOs : Most of the new coins are scams and they are launched just to fool the people and get their money. When people loose money in these, they blame whole crypto community for this. As a result, the image of bitcoins is affected as well.

2) Bitcoin share decreasing: With so many ICOs being launched everyday, people are selling their bitcoins and investing that money in new coins. They hope that they will be able to make much more profit. As a result, the demand for bitcoins is decreasing.

I do not agree with this idea. Bitcoin is the basis of this market. The building block of the market.
Bitcoin does not end as long as governments do not forbid!

Nope, I don't think. Because every ICO project is different. One coin isn't the enemy for another. I recently trying to invest in a reliable ICO project. Though lots of ICOs project are on the market and doing well like- SciDex. Keeps promising and results oriented. :)

in case you missed it this topic is from 2014. in other words someone said some FUD bullshit back 4 years ago and some of you are agreeing with it without even knowing what you are saying!

the fact is the ICOs have caused a lot of damage to the cryptocurrency world because all of them are useless and most of them are pure scams, but they are not significant enough to be able to do anything noticeable to bitcoin.

In my opinion, in the future, the potential for ICO projects to beat bitcoin is very high. At present, there are many projects that are well developed.

So better be careful of those scamming ICOs nowadays and I also agree that it really kills bitcoin reputation. People around the world will become hesitant if this type of situations will always happen to cryptocurrency economy. I don't think this will bring good impact to digital currency bitcoin if ever incoming ico will still scam people,  so it should be regulated here in the forum so that the previous scam ico will not happen to anyone of us whom wanted to participate with new ico to come.

Everyone cares about profit including the investors. Many people claim here to be be bitcoin fans but they will switch to another coin if they see more profit.

I think you should be careful with ICO projects because there are so many ICO scams, bitcoin is very high on the market today and it brings a lot of benefits to everyone, the user community. So I think ICO crypto can not beat bitcoin in the future.

Not all ICOs are bad for Bitcoin. I have seen ICOs where the funds eventually goes towards services that are beneficial to Bitcoin. One of these were a Bitcoin mining farm that were being funded in Island. The other ICO funded a game, https://www.augmentorsgame.com/ that are linked to the Blockchain. <Both of these projects are helping to increase adoption and also supporting the mining>

The most negative contribution from some of these ICOs are the scams, because a lot of people lose money and then they turn their back on Bitcoin. 

You should say that the ICO scam project may be more accurate. Not all ICOs are negative for Bitcoin. There are many good ICOs that can expand the popularity of Bitcoin, and the ICO of those garbage is impacting Bitcoin. It is far less than the impact on ETH, so I think your concern is redundant. With more understanding of ICO, those ICOs now have a hard time attracting investment. People are more willing to invest in Bitcoin. This is currently happening and we can all see.

The biggest threat to bitcoin is not the ICOs, rather the threat of government ban and regulations. Though the activities of scam ICOs constitute a nuisance but it is no threat compared to government ban.

I don't think so. on the contrary because of untrustable ones , bitcoin still safe port for most of invester. on the other hand , new ico prices are very low so people who wants to get "rich" more easy way they use new icos

crypto ico if equated to kill bitcoin is still far away and it is impossible because now bitcoin is still the best and crypto ico will not be one of the coins that surpass bitcoin. so I think it's still safe to have bitcoin.

Bitcoin is all about the trust, and ico is just a support system to the bitcoin network. Here each ico is backed by an real time application that makes it grow high or get out of usage. Forever bitcoin will serve as the leader and these ico's therefore serve as the backbone and for the stability.

In the end, after several years of blaming this and that, Bitcoin remains very strong. ICOs are still running and peddled around like street foods and Bitcoin is also running like bull crashing all time highs year after year after year. ICO is merely a small speck of dust that cannot even wound Bitcoin, much less kill it. Even a thousand altcoins competing with Bitcoin cannot drag it down. So let there be ICOs, new crypto technologies, and whatnots.  

now it is very difficult to kill btc,because btc is so strong and it has volume ~50% whole market,i think market need very much time to kill btc because altcoin need time to develop,i beleive eth can develop and compete with btc,the market need more coin has big Capitalization to share cap with btc

I don't think ICO'S are killing bitcoin, their is a market competition but bitcoin is on top and I think with all the emerging altcoins mostly are scam people will not be dumb enough to invest on those that are not reliable. It is still safier to buy crypto that are tested by time and even if it is higher in price the profit is much higher also. Just buy crypto investment on the money that you can afford to loose and make it grow in time. This is the best way to do in the crypto industry.

They are not killing bitcoin thats the only way to promote token to be familiar just like bitcoin and other altcoin.Icos are just stalks of the bitcoin,icos is only way to move bitcoin in the marketplace.

If this was true, bitcoin would be dead by 2017. If you could see how many ICOs have been registered last year if ICO industry really kills bitcoin then bitcoin should be dead by now. The introduction of ICOs in the cryptocurrency industry made a fair completition for a lot of aspiring investment firms. And if anything it only shows that cyptocurrency investing is currently one of the hottest investments as if now. And lastly, this would make for a good amount of diversity in the cryptocurrency world once cryptocoins become official currencies.

I think if people really understand about basic knowledge of crypto and the basic information of btc, people will understand that ico and btc industry are completely two different things. Actually, there are some ico that fake or scam, that tend to fool people. They usually are some similar project to hyip program or ponzi scheme, and people should understand by now that all ico are real and can be a scam. But I do not say that not all are scam. I just want people to be smart in this new world and era. Maybe some people think that when ico get scam, they intend to blame btc.

Probably, now the ICO opens up a lot, many tokens are born, they give people a better value than Bitcoin. Therefore, Bitcoin's market share is very high. Probably Bitcoin prices will not be as high as in previous years.

Well, I personally think that ICO is a good concept but there should be more transparency while executing any ICO process and it is the responsibility of the team who is involved in ICO. At this stage, there is a huge number of scammers using ICO as a shell to execute their scam and since people don't have much idea about the crypto industry, they are blaming Bitcoin and alt-coins for their loss. We also need to build mass awareness to deal with such misunderstanding and avoid irrelevant defamation of crypto.

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They give better value than Bitcoin, you say? Yeah sure, just like gambling in a casino could give you a better value than buying Bitcoin.
The majority of ICO's are never going to give anyone a profit, the whole scene is just one massive shit-show for the most part.

For every decent ICO, you have about 10 or more that are just plain scams/bad investments/etc.

I dont think crypto ICOs have an influence in the current bitcoin price. They even tell more about why having bitcoin at the earlier ages was a good thing and that it's not late for people who didn't get the chance to invest in their projects.
I don't think btc hodlers will see these lines and make an attempt to sell their coins for no reason. The current price is by the fake news and regulation issues and nothing more or less.

You can make so much money from investing in the right ICO (https://icobuffer.com/), all you need is a little guidance. No one is being forced to buy any ICO and frankly speaking, I didn't think the btc made from any ICO is enough to destabilize the price of bitcoin. No bitcoin leaves the trading environment. If you sell then someone has to buy. So I don't think this problem that your speaking of even exists.

ICO does not kill bitcoin. On the contrary, they contribute to the development of crypto-currencies thanks to global advertising. In addition, many projects accept bitcoin for payment.

ICOs promote the idea of crypto and drag more attention, so that cannot kill the BTC

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We can not deny that the many ICO projects have made the reputation of bitcoin and cryptocurrency worse with ICO projects ending in scams and losing many investors so they are sorry and disappointed by the crypto and the disappointment has made investors start leaving bitcoins because they do not want to experience losses again by following ICO projects.

ICOs don't kill bitcoin. you say that they sell bitcoin and dump the price but investors first have to buy bitcoin for investing and this action push the price higher. so as you see there is some kind of balance between buying and selling bitcoin.

Yes, this is a more way I think to Bitcoin getting popular. Although many ICO is a scam, ICO can be introducing cryptocurrency even Bitcoin to the wider community and investors. And giving flow money to market cap of Bitcoin and cryptocurrency. So ICOs can't kill Bitcoin.

I don't think that they are killing Bitcoin,they are making Bitcoin more valuable.Also there's so many ICO became scam bit that's not Bitcoin's fault.That's people's fault.
ICO are developing Bitcoin

Agree! There are really good ICO projects with social missions which should be supported.

I agree since Bitcoin is already pretty well-established in cryptocurrency market.

that's true, there's a lot of cryptocurrency in the market for traders, the impact of bitcoin volumes is difficult to grow and has an effect on prices, it's probably pretty bad
but we can not blame the ICO project itself

my dear we can't really stop them all they are concern is money and profit so it very tasking and difficult to stop them

Well they are certainly taking a great amount of BTC and ETH, but not so sure they are killing Bitcoin.
Some of the older ICO projects will have actual uses, not all but some like XLM and BAT.

Ico will not be as popular as bitcoin, bitcoin is the foundation of crypto and will remain the main one. Ico will not be able to kill bitcoin because ico does not have enough power to do it.

Your submission is relative, not all ICO are killing Bitcoin as there are several viable project out to cause a positive revolution in the space, with core problem solving techniques, the space is still evolving, Bitcoin is the king of all digital currency in a world of its own, several other factors are killing Bitcoin, such as bad news and  government policy against Bitcoin are major factor killing BTC.

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yes it does look that way. ICO currently makes all investors prefer to invest on ICO rather than bitcoin. so the spread of investor capital also makes the bitcoin volume weaken. but it does not completely kill bitcoin, because until now bitcoin activity if bitcoin rise high, even some ICO also can be paused or delay.

I don't think ICOs can directly kill Bitcoin. However, since many ICOs have turned out to be scams or bad investments in projects which ultimately couldn't deliver, the reputation of the entire cryptocurrency industry gets tainted and many people who might have otherwise gotten involved choose not to because of that reputation. Jaded investors who have been fleeced in ICOs may also leave the space entirely. I don't know if anyone has ever quantified that, but I imagine those losses are not insignificant.

It's very likely, however, that Bitcoin will eventually be replaced by one or more altcoins that deliver some features that users and potential users want and need but which Bitcoin Core will not deliver (for whatever reason--think back to the big block size debate of last year where ultimately nothing was done). Here are just some features Bitcoin lacks that are necessary for mainstream adoption: ability to put lots of transactions into a single block, fast confirm time (ten minutes per block is too long for most people), seamless integration with traditional financial structure, less waste of electricity just to maintain the network, debit cards that actually work like debit cards, ability to participate in a fully legally compliant way, and the list goes on and on. There are a number of altcoins working on various aspects of this and at least one altcoin that is addressing all of this. It's not a matter of if Bitcoin will be replaced as the digital currency of choice for the majority, but when.

No. I don’t think the ICOs are killing the bitcoin. They are working together. The investors also know what to do with their investments. PRG for instance is a great coin and the investors know how to invest in it. They cannot be dumbfounded very easily.

Most ICOs are pump and dumps.... BUT - there are some very good ICOs which are out there which will be major long term players!

The ICOs are not killing the Crypto market. They are giving more value to it. They are working efficiently and instead of destroying Crypto’s position they are pushing it towards more growth. TAU for example is coming up with its new exchange project which shall give more value to Bitcoin.

interesting idea. All the capital is now in ico, and not in bitcoin, it's like one of the options that bitcoin does not grow. but not the main

I think ICOs are killing the whole crypto markets and not just Bitcoin. The amount of scams being ran in the ICO market is crazy and so many new users are getting scammed and being turned off from the crypto markets due to it. Not to mention the amount of money these ICOs are raising and than running away with it.

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Yes, their is surely some damage cost to the prices of bitcoin due to the ICO's and upcoming coins in the market as Bitcoin is a very demandant currency and selling it is more easy and profitable so most of the big projects convert their investment to bitcoin and then sell all of it this decreases the trade volume on any exchange and damage the price of the bitcoin in many ways. But, still this is a very small effect on bitcoin and it is a very powerful and stable crypto which will become the future of crypto in the world.

In 2014, the cause of the bear market was the national regulation and various ICO.
In 2018, the same thing is happening, and various ICO's are making the bear market longer and longer.

As for ico that threatens to kill bitcoin, one of them is CryptoSea.

KryptoSea is an exchange designed with cloud technology. The interface that allows traders to transact crypto currency.
Kryptosea began with a problem, which is still a lack of existing exchange rates and so many players who are involved in the crypto in the Asian market. As it is known the market in the Asian country of Greater Landmarks.
KryptoSea assures not only a secure and stable crypto exchange and a very good interface. But they will also give you a very small withdrawal price.Crypto ICO's are killing Bitcoin.

I think Crypto ICo is not killing Bitcoin since Bitcoin is the pioneer of cryptocurrencies. Let's see where this matter will go but I think ICO won't kill Bitcoin now and in the future. cmiiw

Yes, you are right ICO are building blocks for the Bitcoin because ICO are creating much awareness about the Bitcoin and other altcoins. Bitcoin is always the dominant currency in the present tend and it is going to be always.

Ico are not the building blocks of bitcoin because bitcoin do already have its own blocks. Keep in mind that bitcoin and any other crypto are all made by blocks. Though if bitcoin will be given  a termed for building blocks then that is altcoins because altcoins are the one that promotes and spread more awareness  about cryptos and bitcoin. Ico's are only an accesories to bitcoin and altcoin because ico's do also have their own advocate or propaganda that is somehow different from alts and btc.

I dont think many ICOs killing bitcoin. Right now many ICOs can be bought with fiat money and others crypto beside bitcoin, mostly using ethereum as their platform. Bitcoin price drop right now i think because hacking and negative news about cryptocurrency as security

it does not seem too important because it is so with the abundance of ICO that it will show that cryptocurrency has many developments and a lot of useful products for the people created with ICO.

Nothing can kill the bitcoin except we leave bitcoin to the ico or the crypto that are needed to make the field become vibrant and rich with all kinds of crypto and many ico make the digital world become digital. full and attractive

Right and exchanges has nothing to do with this because nothing kills bitclin but users,if we stop using this coin for trading or even in transactions this will continue fall,so what will save bitcoin is us and nothing else.

But in other issue ico scamming is one big reason thats why investors now are starting to back out and this must be stopped or give actions because if th continues then maybe whole market will die

there are icos that are scams if of course the good ones enter the exchange of currencies some are successful others do not but in that the market is based supply and demand clear that it is necessary to put rules to the icos so that it does not fall in those scams to study well of what is the best thing is to trade with the har fork of bitcoin that are already in the bitcoin chain and are more secure and do not hurt the bitcoin like bch bitcoin btcp btci goal and others are very good

No one or nothing is killing bitcoin. Most ICO investors know what they’re are getting into. Scams abound everywhere, not only in cryptocurrency. Extensive research would lessen the chance of being scammed thru ICOs.

no, i definitely do not agree with you, no ICOs are killing bitcoin, rather they are the proof that only Bitcoin is real (about half-the ICOs are epic fail)

Right. They created pennies and new ICO projects to get people to invest in their projects. Bitcoin is good but this coin is too old, and we need to change the coin better

Although we have alot of ico out there that at soing really nice and great... But the problem most of this project at having is like of putting their ico in a good exchange... Most of their ico will have been in the wrong exchange before getting to a good exchange.

I agree with you. Recently, there are indeed too many ICO, and many worthless ICO will soon enter the exchange, which can only be a bubble.

maybe that's true. many buyers or investors are eyeing the coins to be released (ico). and they will sell when the coin is already in the coin exchange. and instantly, they convert the coins into eth / btc form when they already earn a profit. this is what causes new coins can not grow because when entered in the coin market, the coin has lost many enthusiasts and the owner of the coin has sold it.

Actually the fake ICO and the such ICOs who reasons is only to collect the money is really creating problems for bitcoin, people after losing money there become disappointed and then remain too much cautious and try to avoid investing their fiat currency in bitcoin or any other altcoins.

I do not agree with this idea. Bitcoin is the basis of this market. The building block of the market.
Bitcoin does not end as long as governments do not forbid!

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There are just too many ICOs going on today and most won't see the light of day. And yes I agree with the original post, these tokens accept btc and this in turn creates a surplus to demand situation thereby further worsening the btc price. What is needed is ICO regulation.

No matter how successful iso, and no matter how steep the project was, he will never break the beatcoin's success !!! Never! Bitcoin is the first crypto currency, all that is created after this is clones and HYIP

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If those ICOs are complete, not fraudulent, then maybe it will not affect the BTC, but most of the ICOs are deceptive, is not valid, so it is doing so.

Yeah right, what is happening now with bitcoin is normal and we cannot blame it on new icos. This is the trend that happening yearly and soon we can expect for bitcoin to increase its price.

 I think that I have found a really good project - Socratus.  It is a insurance ecosystem which provide a digital platform for insurance companies . So any insurance company can connect the platform to become the part of Insurance Digital Ecosystem such as property, flight delay, cyber insurance and etc. Their main aim is to help insurance companies to reduce costs (it can be reduced from 15 to 25 %) and  get their business on new level. Also, they powered by Smart-contracts & Socratus Oracles. It means that there is no more solo human decisions to pay or not to pay, no more lingering manual claims handling procedures. From my point of view, it is innovative and fit the market.

It seems to me that the numerous new projects that arise in huge quantities like mushrooms after the rain can only harm the Ethereum project. And then I'm not sure what will happen. Bitcoin does not affect it at all.

The day that the company accepted the bitcoin and kept a sufficient rate in bitcoin, without exchanging with fiat, was the day Bitcoin became mainstream.

I think they are not killing Bitcoin, exchange not depend.its better hold up waiting, Actually some false ICO do that decreased few Bitcoin users money.but smart ICO investor know more who is the trust ICO.

I don't think that ICO are kiling bitcoin for real time. Bitcoin is is one of the most populated cryptocurrency in the world. For me personally it is not connected with ISO project that includes only tockens.

If this was true, bitcoin would be dead by 2017. If you could see how many ICOs have been registered last year. If ICO industry really kills bitcoin then bitcoin should be dead by now.

Not really. How can they be killing bitcoin when all these altcoins do depend on bitcoin. Most of these altcoins are just scam and just trying to get profit.

The fact that ICO is failing is what causes a decrease in trust in Bitcoin, it is obvious that when many ICOs fail some time ago it has led to a decline in Bitcoin prices. In fact it is the main reason why an ICO is banned in China. This is happening for a moment and now Bitcoin prices have started to increase, besides there must be a regulation that can provide strict regulations about the ICO Project.

I don't find it a reason for the fall in value of bitcoin. To me ico's were the one that are serving as a supportive system. Maybe there are few ico's that are getting termed as scams and ruining the reputation of the cryptocurrency network. For the same it is not good to indicate each and every ico a cause for the lack of trust over bitcoin from people.

I have different views with you. Actually crypto currency from ICO does not kill bitcoin. They compete to gain the trust of the people so it is natural that some can survive and some can not survive. Indeed some people who invest in ICO sell their bitcoin coins to fund ICO. But we should be a crypto currency player must be smart in taking chances. If ICO is good then there is no harm we sell our bitcoin temporarily and when it has benefited from ICO then we can buy again. But if the ICO is not potential then we should hold a bitcoin coin and do bitcoin trading only. That's better in my opinion. But in principle, I'm sure if the crypto currency does not have the purpose of killing each other.

We have created a lot of programs with different conditions. Many are attracted to them or do not write openly about all terms and conditions, and this is partly a trap for the investor. Therefore, you need to be careful when choosing the ICO program.

Exchanges care for profit. As long as they get paid by the company they will list any coins there.
Also these altcoins cannot kill bitcoin. They don't even compare to what bitcoin has become.

The goal of these exchangers are for profit. They will not mind what cryptp coins are there for as long as they can earn. But I think it is not their intention to kill bitcoin.

I believe that not one ICO will not be able to kill bitcoin, since everything has started from him, he is the father of all crypto-currencies.

The current ICO market might have its fair share of pump and dump schemes along with warnings or restrictions issued by regulators around the world,but I do not think it could hurt on Bitcoin.

it is obvious that the funds raised for ICO`s are spent to the other places and not in the crypto market, by making the money go out and the liquidity to be very low which increases the dominance of btc and decreases the chances of other alts by shifting to the all times lows in prices .

I think they are not killing Bitcoin in real time. In some part, they can kill the popularity of cryptocurrency. Because many ICO projects are a scam. As a result, people are disappointed with the situation. They even can give up and get off the cryptocurrency.

I am thinking that ICO's are of great benefit to bitcoin because almost all the ICO's accept Bitcoin so the demand for will increase in order to use and purchase the token.

Some ICOs have real project and working product. Many ICOs created by reputable company. I dont agree that ICOs kill bitcoin because investor have their own choice and option.
Indeed many Scam ICOs but we should not call all ICOs are scam because many good ICOs and when they on exchanger have good price and give profits for their investor

be careful of those scamming ICOs nowadays and I also agree that it really kills bitcoin reputation. People around the world will become hesitant if this type of situations will always happen to cryptocurrency economy. I don't think this will bring good impact to digital currency bitcoin if ever incoming ico will still scam people

I am thinking that ICO's are of great benefit to bitcoin because almost all the ICO's accept Bitcoin so the demand for will increase in order to use and purchase the token.

No, it dont kill bitcoin. They are improving to help the world to make easier life for us, there are lots of project's that help bitcoin to gain more investor's.

On the other side if were talking about scam ICO's which is nowadays are too many that is killing bitcoin.

In my opinion, a small dump from Ico won't kill Bitcoin, maybe the price will go down for a while but people will buy more coins. Bitcoin is the king of all digital currencies in the world, several other factors kill Bitcoin, as bad news about Bitcoin is the main factor that kills Bitcoin.

In reat time all projects consist on only EHT tokens that doesn't support Bitcoin. So if you want to get bitcoin from myself project you must do some exchanges. But for real time I don't think that ICO are killeng bitcoin.

You misunderstand the ISO, strong projects receive $ directly from funds and broadcast from large investors. And even public sale is most often on air. And the developers sell the broadcast and not bitcoin, so their coins do not have anything on the market.

It does not make sense that ico will kill bitcoin. How can they kill bitcoin? Bitcoin is still the strongest cryptocurrency and nothing can kill it include ico. Ico mostly now fail because so many ico were launched in the same time and it makes people confuse to choose the best ico and ending with fail project.

I think the exchange are non selective as to what crypto currency for as long as they are gaining profit. So maybe they are not really their intention to kill bitcoin.

In fact, many people who use btc coin to cheat on other currencies say they are btc descendants. Even so, it is not the fault of btc but the fault of investors who refuse to investigate before deciding to enter the market so that the lies of scam artists open their eyes. . This is my personal comment, thanks!  :) :) :)

According to some reports, 80% of ICOs are scam, so, ICOs are kinda harmful for Bitcoin.
https://www.bitcoinmarketinsider.com/80-percent-of-icos-are-frauds/

I dont know about that ico bring money into crypto which flows into Bitcoin

Exchanges are listing scams because they only care about profit.

It is, in terms of new investors who got victimized by scammers then the trust to this network are really affected, those ico's project which should bring new traders and investors are blaming now bitcoin / crypto industry as they got scammed and not gaining anything, maybe lessen the ico's and those duplicate projects will help making this chain being healthy or will attract new people that will take the risk again.

for now some exchanger not that easy to list new tokens. so don't worry if they will list a scam token in their site. it will affect on their reputation. and now some decentralized market which is still list token-token on their site. it can't be blamed because it is decentralized market like p2p market, they only facilitation

Of course not Bitcoin still the top crypto currencies and this new ICO’s would not affect bitcoin’s because they are just starting and they are still not developed currencies.

even some best coin nowadays going through an ICO process. your statement about alts to convert BTC then FIAT to pushing down the price of BTC is right and make sense. but in the same time BTC gain more popularity and gain volume to help they grow. so i would say ICO is not killing BTC but its doing some mutual relationship with effect. and any other ICO is goin on eliminating process. coin with true purpose and benefit will arise and coin who doesn't will collapse.

Indirectly I can say that no , and also yes . At one side making of new new coins are causing the reason for the people to buy new coins with the help of the coins , so indirectly demand of btc increases because they need btc to buy altcoins .
And also people supporting much , because few people made much earnings from the ICOs , so they are trying Thier luck more and more with small small amounts Investment .
But opposite of this ICOs are stealing the trust with bitcoin that what the people have , because most of the ICOs are doing scam , they taking Investment but not launching the coin , and that is giving a big impact over the mentilty of the people regarding cryptourrency as a scam only .
So clearly at one side they are giving small opportunity to make money , but at another side they are destroying the big amount of trust that people have with cryptourrency market .
But here we should take hope that soon , new things will enter in the market that will control ICOs project .

nothing like this, for example, in 2017 there were much more ICO projects, and they did not differ in quality from the current ones, but this did not lead to a drop in bitcoin. :-\

ICO's aren't killing Bitcoin. They've improved BTC and proved to the world that there's no reason to wait for something better.

Of course not the ICO’s cannot kill bitcoin because they are not yet established they will go through a tough process before they could reach the success of bitcoin.

yes, kinds agree with you, about 80% SCAM ICOs are luring credibility of Crypto to ground.
https://www.bitcoinmarketinsider.com/80-percent-of-icos-are-frauds/

This is definitely a supply/demand issue, exchanges really like to take profits for listings. Even scam coins. But who cares, right?

i think they are not killing bitcoin bcz ico is essential part and important for crypto future.drom ico there are many real and big crypto project came and they are making blockchain and crypto future strong :)

I think that ICO does not kill Bitcoin. New projects attract new people. There is a big chance that these people will use Bitcoin in the future.

I quite frankly don't think ICO's are killing bitcoin but rather the fact that some ICO's end up as scam projects and eventually leaving BTC trapped with lesser individuals else ICO would make BTC more popular and hence increase demand after majority of the ICO use BTC as the main means of transaction or tender. I really think its rather scam projects that are harming BITCOIN

Actually indirectly this ICO is destroying bitcoin. The ICO also issued coins that had a position like bitcoin so that the two competed to get better and gain public trust. Both of them showcase each other's great technology, both competing with each other to create technological innovations. Both of them are increasingly competing in the market so that wider community can be used. Therefore, more and more ICOs are emerging, the bitcoin position is increasingly threatened with extinction, especially bitcoin does not show significant improvement.

ICOs are not actually killing bitcoin but it might kill ether the way they are dumping ethers is heart breaking.

No, that's not true because the ICO project is different from Bitcoin. Project ICO utilizes the Etherum platform as a token and bitcoin is a digital currency that has a different position. At present Bitcoin has many enthusiasts and we all still use Bitcoin as a major financial system. There are many places that accept payments via Bitcoin, that is a plus because then Bitcoin has a very high level of popularity.

maybe? because theres a lot of companies creating a new crypto  so some people investing in a good crypto than investing in bitcoin because they know that investing in a good icos or project is worth it but i hope icos will help to bitcoin to become more famous.

IOC Crypto teaches world reality. Bitcoin is declining because the investors use other alarata at the same time, because of this the use of bitcoin has decreased. Also, all services including the ICO are being used in another coin. So bad for Bitcoin.

Yup. I agree with you. ICO not killing BTC. precisely the ICO introduced what BTC was. with the ICO payment system using BTC, the ICO indirectly introduced BTC and blockchain technology. And making BTC and blockchain become more popular. This is precisely an appreciation of the revolution brought by bitcoin.

what ICO-projects can you advise?

Bitcoin is never down and any ICO project not reach the bitcoin. ICO projects is not go suess. Some projects will be reach the market place price. Bitcoin is long time to survive. So no one kill the bitcoin.

indeed at this time it can be said that, for its future development I think no one can know for sure, will kill or boost up the development of the crypto currency itself

How can you explain why crypto icos are killing bitcoin?i think they work on sideways icos promotes paying using bitcoins where non bitcoin users are force or convinced to buy bitcoin just to support the ico they want which means they will more likely buy bitcoins at the highest price they can see and help it pump

I think the main thing here is to educate people to be careful when choosing the right investment.
You cannot stop them, if there is money that must be made who does not want to.

ICO is an event where investors could get profit by invest in it. Most of ICO gives their investors a bonus or discount so basically they are already get profit while investing. But they have to sell it to btc or eth again in the right time. So actually ICOs are not killing bitcoin.

I don't believe ICO coins are contributing to the price fall of bitcoin, to my understanding ICO coins makes the demands of bitcoin very high as most investors uses BTC during investment and sell to BTC again at the end. Investor gain more profits from ICO coins through discount which will multiply their bitcoins in return.

No ICO could kill bitcoin. at the present time there are more than 1000 altcoins in the crypto world but still the dominance of alone btc is around 57 percent.

The introduction of ICOs in the cryptocurrency industry made a fair completition for a lot of aspiring investment firms. And if anything it only shows that cyptocurrency investing is currently one of the hottest investments as if now. And lastly, this would make for a good amount of diversity in the cryptocurrency world once cryptocoins become official currencies.

I agree on that it’s the Scams in ICO that damaged Bitcoin. Quite a number of outsiders are affected by statements like Crypto Scam, ICO scam etc, that eventually link their thinking with Bitcoin.

If there wasn’t any scam ICO, more people could’ve got into crypto world.

I have to say that I don't see connection. How would exactly ICO's be able to "kill" Bitcoin?
I'm still convinced that Bitcoin investors are in majority of cases different than ICO investors and no matter the flood of ICO's and their influence on the market that doesn't affect that much on bitcoiners.
On the other hand big amount of scams connected with ICO will not influence the people that already are involved in Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies because of their experience.

i don't think so. personally ICO is helping attract more and more people coming to crypto world and know about bitcoin. It's good

This is a really interesting post because is a possibility i didn't consider too much before.

However, certain ICOs which are not scam have behind them a really interesting project - In the form of something really useful for society or really useful for the future growth of Bitcoin and all Cryptocurrencies in general. So i believe that besides the profitability people in fact considers to fund projects  that are not scam with how much they can give away for it's cause.

You might even profit in the future - But to do it for that reason it's better to learn a lot about them first.

Why do you need bitcoin?  many excellent projects bring ico and instead of the payment system you can use anything (for example) dash

I don't think that crypto ICO's killing bitcoin but rather it somehow become big help for bitcoin in the way of introducing the bitcoin for new investor comers. Beside, there's no way they could kill this mother of crypto because this coin is pioneer and there are bunch of investor prefer this one since it is legit profitable.

if in my opinion you can't stop them, if there is money to be made who doesn't want to. The main thing here is to educate people to be careful when choosing the right investment.

kill, it's too loud. Rather, they try to equalize with bitcoin. This year, there have been significantly fewer successful projects. It seems to me this is the end ICO

I don't see a way a project can get participated if not through ICO. Many projects needs the investment of people for the sucess in achieving the goal of the project, though some projects managers misuse this opportunity and do whatever they like with people's money most especially when they don't reach softcap.

crypto ico will not kill bitcoin, they just become a coin that tries to achieve success in the market by offering the best concept. for crypto problems I think bitcoin is still the best choice and not easily defeated, let alone killed with new coins.

I dont think ICOs will killing bitcoin. If whole cryptocurrency market growing bigger, bitcoin still growing more. More coin and token created make competition in market and i am believe investor still choosing bitcoin as their investment

This is the law of the market, who is the best and he/she won. So we can't blame the ICO over if bitcoin will die. But I believe bitcoin is the first cryptocurrency that is not easy to be destroyed because it has many advantages from the other coin.

I don’t agree with you!
As the earliest initial digital cryptocurrency, Bitcoin has the same settlement status as US dollar in this field. Almost all new tokens in the ICO process support the exchange of bitcoins for new tokens. In the process, the new token is given value from other currencies and becomes a new valued currency (equivalent to a company's stock), but it does not have a negative impact on Bitcoin.

I don't agree with you. Even bitcoin price is not so good now, people choose to invest to ICO's project but it doesn't mean that people no longer care about bitcoin. There is no one or organization can kill bitcoin

ICO's also bringing new moneys to the crypto segment from real sector.
2017's big pump partially merit of ICO, huge nothing understand in crypto peoples invest in scam project's and move price forward

Is not true many ico are killing of bitcoin price, but bitcoin have killing of ico project, look at the first time we are buying ico coin with ethereum or bitcoin payment and have higher price, when ico listing at the market bitcoin  and ethereum price have drop.

I think that is not true, because in my opinion it all depends on the demand and is hindered from the circulation of ico, I actually catch the positive side of the many ico who will buy bitcoin is used to buy ico and become a participant from ico who can provide benefits and make bitcoin prices rise.

Of course ICO's wasn't killing Bitcoin, instead ico gives opportunity to anyone who want to earn bitcoin thru their coins once it has a value after their running project. Even recently, lots of ico'c ended up into scam project but still there is still good ico out there, just do some research first before joining in as investors or participate in their ico campaign.

In my opinion, carrying out a qualitative ICO has now become something far away.  Not every ICO will be honest.  But not all of them are scammers.  There are companies that are taken seriously.  I think it's just necessary to choose the right company.

I agree here. Alts definitely make people distract themselves and their investments and in some cases make them believe an alt can really replace Bitcoin, which is a fruitless tail hunt.

The way Bitcoin and Blockchain were developed is the base over which we need to build new technologies, taking security so seriously like Blockchain technology takes and even more.

I like the coins that back up a good project though, sometimes it is a good idea. But seem more like the game coins to play in the gaming machines precisely. The fact that some people think any of them can replace Bitcoin is taking it to an unintended level. And even if a developer intends them to do that, they will profit if they do a good marketing campaign, but the reality is that won't happen.

Your logic could be contra argumented in following way:
If the investors would not have spotted the promising ICO in which they decided to invest, then they would not have bought crypto currencie sin the first place and would not have contributed to the daily volume of cryptos.

I don't think it is all cryptocurrency ICOs that are killing bitcoin. I can agree if you refer to the scam ICOs because all they do is steal innocent people's money and disappear. These are the people who sell their bitcoin in a hurry. Other reliable ICOs can not kill bitcoin. All of them were funded with bitcoin at there ICO stage.

I don't think so, because the majority of this ICO projects are supporting Bitcoin and accepting it as an investment method, and in many cases, BTC is the first supported currency to contribute and buy tokens. So that's already helping to promote BTC even more and increasing its popularity.

not only kill but defame the good name of bitcoin because there are so many ICOs that cheat and concern the good name of bitcoin and ethereum. so hopefully in the coming year fraud in the ICO can be reduced and no more hopefully

ICO can't kill bitcoin, because in my opinion, they exist in parallel planes. Bitcoin develops its own way, and none of the altcoins will not be able to seriously affect it.

I would rather say that ICOs are killing the trust in altcoins and new projects investments than killing Bitcoin. Bitcoin is too big to be killed. If something will go wrong with Crypto generally speaking, Btc will be the one turning the lights off.

If you think about investing, try to avoid ICOs. non-ICO based projects are more reliable and les risky.

Umm...
It's too reckless... :(

ICOs are rather pushing bitcoin to do better but not killing this wonderful cryptocurrency. I think the ICOs are doing pretty well, they are only making the crypto world much more competitive but bitcoin would forever remain the best cryptocurrency. As crypto enthusiasts, we need to be cautious and not fall for scam ICOs that are killing people.

yes it can be likened to that, but when there is a scam-based ICO that sometimes makes the cryptocurrency market a little shaky and it freaks out others, I hope the future ICO design is more mature and truly a place of innovation

You are right for every ICO that I've invested in I always go back to the basic that Bitcoin is still the best cryptocurrency in the market in terms of popularity and profitability, no wonder ICO just come and go some of them are useless and do not add value to the community, except EWthereum.

I don't think crypto ICO's are killing bitcoin most of crypt ICO are scams, it makes people think negatively about crypto world

Then if ICO's aren't killing bitcoin at end they are killing his reputation. Is already hard for people to trust in bitcoin, and those ones who start with cryptos joining to an ICO will end hating cryptos after realize it was a scam.

ICO's are just a smart way to get funds for a new coin. Lot of people have great ideas for coins, but not all of them have the capital to launch them. So, ICO's are their opportunity. a small % will success, but the sad reality is most of them will end in scam.

I disagree. Because nothing weak can destroy the powerful. BTC is still strong, and at least for now, other projects are unable to cope with it.

I think it is not a major problem for bitcoin. Who are much well known about bitcoin, they will not afraid about shitty ico. Scammers and newbies are available here and there. If we concern about them, we can lead bitcoin for a long run.

this is an old topic, but very good and the dynamics of ICO always adjust to market conditions and the development of the crypto world.

the development of ICO in 2014-2017 is very good, every ICO always creates good space in the crypto market, but today, I analyze that the development of ICO is influenced by the bearish market even though the market chart increases every year, but this year the bearish market dominates when compared to with the previous year.

the effect is that many investors choose to leave the ICO world, and bitcoin is their choice.

and the last,  I say that ICO will not kill bitcoin.

You all stupid bounty hunters are depending those damn ICO because if the blame continues to bring in scammers project you will have nothing to eat for dinner

OP is right on this,i cant imagine that four years he can predict this thing from happening and now it’s truly in the track.and i think the Scamming from the ICO nowadays are killing the investors trust to buy cryptocurrency specially bitcoin.

Thats why ever since i enter crypto and learns the fundamentals i am looking for justice for all the victims of these scammers

I think crypto created from this ICO cannot kill bitcoin, because this ico makes a solution to the existence of world economic problems, because the circulation and use of ico is only dependent on demand and from the development of projects developed from the ICO and may not provide influence on bitcoin price movements.

in my opinion, ico is one of the ways or investment strategies using cryptocurrencies and there are still a number of other strategies so if ico destroys bitcoin I think it's impossible

i think no. if token / coin crypto only grow less than 100%

Crypto ICO does not kill bitcoin, precisely with more and more virtual coins crypto currency will grow, and ICO makes bitcoin as a tool to buy their tokens, so that the volume of bitcoin trading will be better and can pump the price of bitcoin with lots of buying and selling transactions using bitcoin

 I don't think so. bitcoin is the best crypto now for many people even other coin have low fee and fast transaction but their cap too small

I think ICO are also crypto and it is not killing bitcoin because bitcoin is model for every thing and i hope that ICO are good for the people who are new because it takes much time and a person can watch the whole market for it and it is good to have multiple coins for trade and payments.

in my opinion, ico does not destroy bitcoin because bitcoin is a virtual currency that controls parents of all cryptocurrency and ico coins that only helps the development of cryptocurrency so that many investors want to invest in cryptocurrency

I don't believe ICO kills bitcoin, but I can understand if the ICO kills altcoins. Because Tokens always reduce the volume of Altcoin. but not for Bitcoin. except for all ICOs to sell and withdraw Btc to go out to Fiat together. Bitcoin is the king of crypto currencies, and all crypto currencies include tokens following the movement of bitcoin. I believe that more.

Crypto ICO doesn't kill Bitcoin. They bring the crypto market a better future.

Crypto ICO is not killing bitcoin but rather helping it. I don't think any project that want other people to invest or have some shares can't aviod to go through ICO, selfdrop etc.

The scamming ICO makes the investor afraid to invest their money in the project because right now, there are too many projects that suddenly stop or cancel or running without any news. The investor doesn't want to face this and they better to save their money to another investment type and I hope that they can back to choose bitcoin as their main investment. And if this happens again in the future, then the number of the investor will drastically decrease, and there are only a few investors that still survive in the cryptocurrency, and the mass adoption will not succeed.

yes you are right now there are a lot of ico who tend to scam and it makes many new investors afraid for investment, now it is very difficult to determine whether the ico is successful or not, they must ensure that the team owned and the founder is very clear and as much as possible tracked its whereabouts.

Bitcoin is one of the best and world's trading no one can kill bitcoin  8) 8)

no, they are not killing Bitcoin, but they are killing some greedy fools, indeed.

ICOs can never kill Bitcoin. However, I failed to understand why so many people buy into the ICOs, they are clearly a pyramid scheme for me.

Hi. I see your point but I don't think Crypto ICO can kill bitcoin, it just makes people think negatively about crypto world

all existing coins compete with each other to get the attention of the entire cryptocurrency community. And I think it's true, the victims of the emergence of new altcoins are BTC and the ETH has collapsed. BTC is the victim of the pump from the new altcoin, I myself am still confused, whether in 2019 there are still ICOs or not.
Hopefully the ICO is completely replaced with hardfork

https://cointelegraph.com/news/developers-begin-turning-to-hard-forks-for-fundraising-rather-than-icos

At the present time, ICO projects may only have a great influence on the Ethereal Copper, but not on Bitcoin. But perhaps more and more ICO projects will turn investors into investing in such projects, and Bitcoin may be getting a bit of a blow.

I think ICOs created because developers team think want make good crypto community and to expand cryptomarket. I dont think ICOs killing bitcoin because good ICOs must be want to continue the project and make a product. I am believe ICOs good for cryptomarket because competition good for the project

Can't agree with OP, i think most of the ICOs use ETH for funding and even if they used BTC it wouldn't have a strong impact, BTC is dominating the market

After going through some ico's I have found the same things as you noticed!!This ico's are really a jeopardy for bitcoin,gradually we can see the circumstances of bitcoin price,it's price decreasing day by day.

You send them 10 ETH, they give you 1000 Shitcoin, then they use your 10 ETH and dump it on the market for 500 bucks each, then they use the 5k to buy a car. Whats in the market now? Your 10ETH and 1000 Shticoins, but no new money.

Agree! who know they are cheating they are behaving like a prominent businessman but at least many ICO companies are cheating the innocent investors. That's why the government should soon evaluate the ICO's whether they have the ability to develop what they mentioned in the roadmap, in this way, the government should come up with a solution.

yeah i agree. I look at 90% of ICO's and they suck with no chances of suceeding then they raise 50 million USD in ETH or NEO. When they have no working product, no technical experience, nothing. Their application is not even remotely related to block chain.

ICO's and bitcoin are two absolutely different things. I don't think ICO's have any serious impact on bitcoin. May be only if some newbies invested straight in ICO without any knowledge, loose their money and in that case, loose trust to full crypto market.

ICO remains ICO and Bitcoin remains Bitcoin.
The two can not be integrated but can be paired by payment method.

If the ICO is not a pair against Bitcoin then the second choice is Altcoins.

Everywhere there will be rivalry and some competition, so do not be surprised, it can happen in the future quite unexpectedly and different, everything goes not to one end.

In your opinion, only Bitcoin should be the dominant? ???

Honest ICOs are useful for the cryptocurrency market, because they attract new investors who will be involved in crypto in the future.

it's not something new.
ICO's caused a massive dump in the market since the end of 2017

Many companies cash out millions of dollars in ETH/BTC

Do not blame on icos blame on peoples that support scam project. Not all project are useless or shit. Some of ICOS are great. Without altcoins nobody will know about bitcoin. This is why forum like this are exist right. to educate this people's so they don't throw out their money just like thay to the scammers. Learn to support true project out there that truly deserve.

The ICO's killing every good think today. I got into the ICO business 2 years ago and that was totally different that day. That were a few ICO's and after the finishes your invest would multiple at least X2. Actually you had to wait online to buy tokens because that was finishing in minutes. But now everything changed and 1000s of rubbish ICO's and they steal the people money.. Too Bad!

At the moment i do not think that ICOS affects Bitcoin. It even helped the Altcoins come out and develop the crypto market and make more Bitcoin and ETH transactions. Depending on the time, the level of influence will vary.

I think many people who talk about this do not understand much by the word "market". Here, competition and diversity are important, which will lead to an increase in the price and interest of the coin. If there were no other coins, many would not buy bitcoin, as not everyone can afford. And others invest in ICO, invest and make a profit. Everything is interconnected here.

You have made wrong when thought that raising ICOS gives Bitcoin a lot of trust and investment, which is a useful move for Bitcoin and crypto. The receipt of token and the sale did not have a significant impact on Bitcoin as it accounted for only a fraction of Bitcoin.

Well, I also think that the ICO supports the development of bitcoin for now. well, with the ICO, many people need bitcoin, or ETH to invest, so the demand for bitcoin is always increasing. yes, seen from anywhere, ICO still helps the growth of bitcoin.

I believe if the ICO is just nonsense, most ICOs only sell ideas without big, real projects. so they damage coin prices, but I don't think that the ICO is making bitcoin killed. because Bitcoin is the king of crypto currencies. and will still be number one in the future.

Things that need each other because with the existence of ICO Bitcoin, more people will be known in this world and used as they should.

I don't agree with this post. The ICOs are not killing Bitcoin. The ICOs even make Bitcoin popularity to increase because during the token sales, a lot of people will sort after the main accepted coins for purchase which BTC is surely one of them. People will start buying BTC to enable them participate in the ICO.

It's simply doesn't make any sense to me really and that's my opinion, there are those who will think diff8becsuse they may have made a lot of money investing in ICOs.  I would just invest my money into Bitcoin directly instead of any ICO.

You seem to have been confused. Most ICO projects are now accepting payment by ETH more than the BTC. But I think all the cooperation must have a contract table. ICO business owners can not sell ETH immediately to ETH's dumping and that is one of the first terms. :D

I will say that maybe the ICO organizers are doing more harm than good to the crypto market. As some of them just sell off and dump their proceeds to exchange for fiat thereby keeping investors at the receiving end. At the end of the day, majority of people dumps at loss to move on. These are one of the effects on crypto market.

ICO showed a new variation in the use of cryptocurrencies and created a new market, attracted new people and new money in this industry, how can this be called the murder of the industry?

Not all ICOs sell for fiat. Some send payouts in eth, for example.
I see your point, those who want to raise easy money destroy the market. But that's how it always worked, far before the crypto came in. There should be some regulations, in order not to kill the potential of bitcoin.

i will strongly disagree with the fact that crypto ICO's is killing bitcoin with reasons that the ICO's are only projects that are result of bitcoins innovation and it can not be said that they are killing the foundation on which they stand. they may be reducing the dominance of the bitcoin but obviously not killing bitcoin.

Crypto ICO's are killing bitcoin, I am not agree with This sentence. Because crypto ICO's  are making the way to increase bitcoins use.Because usually from crypto ICO's people are buying Altcoins or various kinds of crypto currency and after a time all those coin usually peoples are exchnaging their coins to bitcoin or ethereum and bitcoins excahnging number is more than exchanging ethereum.so I will say crypto ICO's are not killing bitcoin but increase bitcoins use.

I think bitcoin has no problem if the ico is in my opinion ico is very helpful for people who want to buy and sell so I think it is necessary for users who learn at here.

That opinion is wrong in my opinion, in 2016-17s ICOs gave such a great boost to crypto, it could dead by now if not ICOs.

ICOs doesn't harm bitcoin in any way, but, on the contrary, increase popularity of cryptocurrencies, including bitcoin. Capitalization of bitcoin may even increase as a result of some ICOs in the case of fundraising in the form of bitcoins.

In my opinion, ISO attracts fiat to cryptory, and this is positive not only for alternate crypto-currencies, but ultimately for bitcoin. Therefore, I do not agree with the author that ISO kills bitcoin.

Many exchanges don't care if bitcoin survives or not as long as they're making profit from its demise. Truly ICOs has done much worse to ETH in recent months and until they're regulated, they will keep dumping their raised coins.

to tell the truth  i don t think that  ICO s are killing  bitcoin since there are lots of coins that can concurate with it but even it is more than 50 percent so we see that it is the boss for now.

In current position it is only killing ETH and other altcoins as now most of the ICO are accepting mainly ETH as they are ETH based platform program. So it is not effecting Bitcoin ya but the movement of Bitcoin is slowed down.

Why not look at it from another angle
Projects on the ground such as renewable energy enter the market and achieve good publicity for crypto as a whole.


Spreading the idea and speeding up the required adoption.

I dont think crypto ICOs are the ones killing the mother coin. BTC has it flaws just like the fiat currencies and sometimes it has to go through some small or hardh conditions and that doesnt mean its being killed by nowadays ICOs

crypto ico will not be able to compete with bitcoin, they stand alone without bitcoin only they try to compete with bitcoin. but in fact it will never be able to let it kill Bitcoin I think crypto ico is not capable and will not happen.

why cryptocurrency ICO is killing bitcoin? i think it will be good if there are many cryptocurrencies in this world that use blockchain system, and you can see that all cryptocurrency is depended on bitcoin, so bitcoin still the king in this time. don't worry about the cryptocurrency ICO

Too looking for something that made some people afraid of this that there were no problems with the ICO. very strange. Whether this can be explained or a disappointment.

To be precise, bad and fake ICOs is what is killing Bitcoin and the entire crypto. These ICOs are tarnishing the reputation of the entire crypto market which makes most investors to withdraw their money and also wards off potential investors.

maybe, because I've heard someone talk that cryptocurrency investment is a very risky investment, many scams, fraud, MLM, and so
on, of course ICOs that become scams can make a bad image for cryptocurrency investments as a whole

There must be something to fix it again and only certain people in it and I don't know who that person is and the price of a coin is now decreasing.

there is no right solution for this, there is no regulatory body to make ICOs more trustworthy and neatly regulated according to their competence both legally and independently.

This year was too traumatic for the various ICOs that appeared, it was too easy to make sales with a convincing appearance, but there was no full guarantee and many people saw the ICO as a cash game and no longer interested. Indirectly, this also makes Bitcoin's reputation worse in the eyes of the world even though their conjunctions are limited to payment media.

I strongly disagree with such an opinion. The activity of the ICO as a whole is very useful for the general development of cryptocurrency. Without them, there would be no such growth in the cryptocurrency market at all. ICO stimulates metabolic processes and increases the demand for bitcoin, attracting general interest to it.

whatever might happen in the future the development and loss of the crypto currency depends on the investor itself and I think what makes us most worried is the issue of legality

Crypto ICO doesn't kill bitcoin, but scam crypto ICO that kills bitcoin. If and only if there is no ICO that scam then I believe the value of bitcoin will continue to rise, due to the high demand for bitcoin to invest in the ICO project.

ICO can not kill Bitcoin, and it is making Bitcoin more and more developed. Almost all ICOs accept Bitcoin as a currency to buy Token when ICOs begin receiving investors' investments. This has a substantial impact on the Bitcoin buying power of the market.

Its going like this, bounty hunter sells tokens for ethereum, than hunter sell ethereum for bitcoins, some of them sell bitcoin for fiat. When we have massive sell off price suffer, project suffers too. I don`t think that icos are killing bitcoin, people do that with their trades, and they start from the smallest one and thats ico, than they damage other stronger coins, and they do that cause of the fast profit, nothing more, luckily not all the people here are bounty hunters, some of us hold tokens from icos.

I think ico is circulating this will not be able to kill bitcoin, ico is only as a bridge and also as one of the solutions to economic problems and maybe also this ico for technology financing that wants to be developed by a group that has a very useful concept project big, so this ico can actually make bitcoin more expensive because more people will know crytptocurrency.

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Be realistic, the usability of crypto to run a project is not that easy yet. The teams have to convert at least some of the investments to fiat in order to run the company. If everyone starts using crypto for selling their services then you could have used the crypto.

In a way yes, it one of the biggest flaws, selling off and dumping and it is negatively affecting bitcoin. also many scams have been pushing people away.

Partially agreed to the point that ICOs are killing Bitcoin, not ICOs but scam ICOs are killing bitcoin and other cryptocurrency, potential ICOs are rather giving good option to either hold bitcoins or alt coins, the worst thing in crypto world is - even scammers are launching their ICOs and duping investors, there should be some regulations for launching ICOs, with this way we can have good ICOs and their coins in the market which further will increase total market capital.

This post is a bit old but still relevant today.
The view is somewhat narrow minded in my opinion.
 Ethereum has become the most used for  funds raising these days
and people attributed its quick increase in price to the activities of ICOs. Ironically, when things aren't going the way of Ethereum it is quickly blamed on ICOs. In real World, narrow-mindedness could lead to hasty actions that could make or break a society. People need to be careful not to be taken over by emotions

There is a big demand fr cryptocurrencies now days and that is the main reason why many ICO projects are launching but it is true there is a bad effect for bitcoin from them because bitcoin loose its holders for certain percent when they get attracted to new altcoins and that is a main reason why bitcoin prices get low because more and more people take out there bitcoin from wallets to invest in new projects

True exchanges main concern is to make profits and they don't care whether bitcoin will survive or not and exchanges even guarantee for companies who list there tokens that the price will be strong so from every angle bitcoin get negative effects and altcoin ICO project implementation has become a great source of income for many exchanges and also there are lot of people who are feeding from them and that is why more and more new cryptocurrencies are introduced

I think otherwise in this matter. I think, people who contribute to an ICO must change their fiat to bitcoin, or ETH. of course this does not make bitcoin die, but this makes the demand for bitcoin increase. and of course that also makes bitcoin prices rise.

With what is happening at the time of this 2018, ICOS campaigns are almost in trouble and may fail due to Bitcoin. Bitcoin is down and for a long time the crypto market has become lighter. The Altcoin became ill and the ICOS campaign was now in a state of havoc. ??? ??? ???

In the first place, according to what I understand about it, Bitcoin is not an altcoins anyway. Bitcoin is the reference of altcoins in short altcoins was a clone of bitcoin. That's every time Bitcoin rise up most altcoins dumped or go down, then few of them only remain still or some get pumped while bitcoin increase. So. its not true that ico's are not killing bitcoin.

I do not think so, not all ICOs are killing Bitcoin, there are many things that are really useful, most are useless. Very few have a good idea with a good project with a future. Bitcoin is already the default supported cryptocurrency, for now, and I do not think any ICO substitute to Bitcoin, they can simply do other functions.

I think that altcoins increase the demand for Bitcoin. If there were no altcoins, then the cryptocurrency market would be much smaller. I think that the Altcoins contributed to the fact that Bitcoin grew to 20,000.

Bitcoin does not depend on the ico and bitcoin is too strong to get killed by the ico. The ico just following bitcoin and no matter where bitcoin moves, the ico still behind bitcoin. And now, the ico is trying to survive in this situation, and I don't think that the ico can increase their price in the short time because the ico needs to adjust their price with ethereum. Besides that, there is many scam ico project that will cause the ethereum to get down for more, and it's not good for ethereum itself.

ICOs mostly has been funded with Ethereum not Bitcoin, and their crypto sales for fiat could affect Ethereum in some way, but I don't see any way how they could affect Bitcoin.

An ICO advisory firm has released a study showing over 80% of ICO projects were scams. This definition included projects that didn’t follow their roadmap or were deemed to be scams by community members.Market  has lost over $500 billion of its market cap this year.This also affects the Bitcoin.

Circulation and usage of IOO only depends on demand and from the development of projects developed from the ICO and may not have an influence on the movement of bitcoin prices.It makes bitcoin a tool to buy their tokens, so that the volume of bitcoin trading will be better and can pump a lot of bitcoin buying and selling transactions use bitcoin,so I think ICO is also crypto and doesn't kill bitcoin.

ICOs are a form of capital calling to seek funding for projects and through which developers release their Coins and put them on the exchange. But most of them fail after a short time, so I believe it can not affect Bitcoin.

Nothing from the crypto world can kill Bitcoin, at least not at this stage. BTC is currently considered more of a store of value or investment, rather than currency and therefore rules the market and altcoins follow.

However, ICOs are another story - a totally different type of investment opportunity. High Risk for High ROI, you can't really loose all your money if you buy Bitcoin, can you? But you won't generate 30-40x returns either in 12-18 months.

Whoever says ICOs are dead is completely wrong. ICOs are here to stay and will become the best vehicle for both investors and developers. Of course, the lack of regulators and the fact that people are driven by GREED and FOMO, putting their money into something without doing any research allowed Scammers to make fortune and harmed the market. The current ICO model is not sustainable and major changes are required from both participants on the ICO market:

1. Developers should focus on bringing value to the world, creating ecosystems and tokens that have real use case.

2. Investors must do a proper research, be aware of the risk and have patience as genuine projects won't deliver in 3-4 months.

If projects like W12 succeed they will be protecting investors to a certain extend. What they do is holding the invested funds and release those on portions when the ICO team meets certain milestones. However, in my opinion each team launching Initial Coin Offering should be transparent and accountable for the market to mature.

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ICOs had helps bitcoin to spread cryptocurrency to the whole world as more and more money will flow to the crypto market. The more money in the crypto market will be advantage on bitcoin. People will buy and sell bitcoin due to the pairing at exchanges as they can't convert directly into fiat from their token.

There are altcoin inflation thats true. Nearly every day the altcoin technology is progressing. Every new coin is faster and also cheaper than the previous ones. This is the kryptonite of this ecosystem.

I don't agree with this post. The ICOs are not killing Bitcoin or the general crypto market as long as they are the legit projects. The cryptocurrency market was never created for Bitcoin to be the only currency trading in it.

I believe that the crypto ICO does not kill bitcoin directly, but it is reflected in the crypto-currency market in General. Their appearance gives you to buy tokens at a low price and therefore invested less. For example buy 1 bitcoin about$ 6000, and what some coin a thousand times cheaper. But this does not directly affect bitcoin.

ICOs are the bane of cryptocurrency, just as you said the more coins are being introduced in exchanges the more it's impacting cryptocurrencies in general. The already existing funds is what is being traded and it will negatively affect the price of coins since the total market cap is being shared by more coins except the market capitalisation increases by a significant amount.

The Ico project does not kill bitcoin, because bitcoin remains the highest in the crypto market. Bitcoin will still be popular because of the original coins in crypto.

They will not be able to kill bitcoin or significantly affect it. But the fact is that now there are a lot of fraudulent projects that undermine people's trust in the cryptocurrency. That's the problem.

You're right. A lot of projects that throw their audience. This is a huge problem for the cryptocurrency to gain its place in the world. I think if we accept the major cryptocurrencies, everything else will disappear, they will not prices.

Now a very large number of different projects are being created. But among them there are very few worthy and promising coins. Therefore, I do not think that bitcoin is seriously threatened.

All of these ICO's cannot significantly affect bitcoin or other large coins, such as Ethereum. Especially since not so many people trust such projects. I for example, prefer in them not to participate, too many scams.

For me, ICO campaigns can not kill Bitcoin. The amount of Bitcoin is not enough. Therefore, ICOS is made available for use or has practical applications and they do not have any effect on Bitcoin.

That's so wrong ICO not killing bitcoin, from your statetment i think you dont know about ICO. Even so many ICO with great technology and will give benefits in the future, but still cant defeat bticoin.

That's right, not many people trust ICO coin. if we compare with bitcoin community and ICO, maybe only less than 5% from bitcoin community trust ICO

The ICO's that continues to appear every day does look like wants to kill Bitcoin, but actually not...I think that the more the existence of Bitcoin is becoming more familiar to the general public because of the appearance of ICO's every day

Sorry to disagree with you! Because I think ICOs are not harmful to the bitcoin, rather various ICOs are only spreading with the world the crypto market existence. Without Ethereum, NEO, ADA And all others ICOs coin, Bitcoin can't be popular like now! In 2014, the situation was different, but Now ICO projects are needed.

Icos are destroying investor confindence in the entire crypto arena including bitcoin

for most people crypto currency is bitcoin or the 99% ethereum token shit called ico

wow 2014 ........ that went fast

I think you are greatly downplaying the uniqueness of the bitcoin currency. Yes, now a lot of different coins, ICO and so on. But nothing is better than bitcoin so far. Therefore, it can continue to be considered the most important unsurpassed cryptocurrency.

I do not see any threat to bitcoin in any of the currently existing ICO. The project is very much and every day they are created more and more. But what makes you think that some of them can be better than bitcoin? I don't believe that.

Well i will side with you to some extent but not on your scenario, the only i think is Crypto ICO's are killing bitcoin since most of these project turn to dupe others sending bad signals out there that deter others from investing in BTC and Crypto at large.

I also feel that with the presence of ICOs that appear every day will kill Bitcoin in the future, there is nothing wrong because in business it is natural. I think how long it will take until the position of Bitcoin as a capitalist cryptocurrency market is replaced by one of the cryptocurrencies...

Stupid people are what is killing ICO, Bitcoin won't die, so relax your buns
lately, ICO's  became the greedy fishermen in a tank full of fish, grabbing everything they still can

all crypto-currencies, if they are temporary, will sooner or later become bitcoin again, because only its developers try to accumulate such ICOS that do not live long

No, I don't think they kill bitcoin. It seems to me that bitcoin is killing exactly the fact that there is no regulation on the market and fraudulent startups can collect millions of assets and leave. it cannot be allowed

slowly ico will definitely take over bitcoin. the number of new ico that emerged certainly made their opportunity to beat bitcoin even greater. of course with their value, of course they must always be able to compete in the market. because so far, bitcoin only runs as a digital currency without a project that can support it.

Not Directly! ICOs are really doing damage to the name "Cryptocurrencies" ICOs that haven't leaved up to the promises made their investors are those responsible for this ill! I do know good ICOs still exist but the majority of them aren't trustworthy! Issuing coins/tokens all under the umbrella "Crypttocurrencies"" will only end up making people think $Bitcoin is directly involved, they might think it is  $Bitoin that anyone  talking crypto is referring to.

I don't think so, but there are lots of crypto that become shitcoin that don't have opportunities in trade and investment. ico tokens will not have a big effect on the reduction of bitcoin. This decline occurred because of many factors, especially the result of very rapid growth corrections.

I just would understand many ico are killing Bitcoin. Basically I have to little proof. understand me my two friends already leave it now Bitcoin world because false (Scam) ico.my two friends get lot of lossing their money for the scam ico.so we need to good knowledge and understand real ico, absolutely we urgently need to killed scam ico.

I wouldn't say that today. There are thousands of bad ICO's around and it shows the greatness of the bitcoin i think. When the ICO's falls the people turns their faces and buy bitcoin not invest in ICO's.. Also i believe that you can't compare the bitcoin with any other coins. The BTC is the first and the most strong coin ever.

I don't think so, ICO will never take over bitcoin.
Why? Because bitcoin is still the king of crypto until now, its price affects almost all of the altcoins (in ICO project). Although the numbers of ICO is continuously increasing time to time, finally the choice will go back to bitcoin because the people's interest still stays at bitcoin.

for some ICO scams that made Bitcoin's reputation fall as one of the crypto currencies. I am sad to see this abnormal market. That's because bitcoin is one of the tools for several ICO investments that make investors disappointed

You are wrong ! Bitcoin price don't rely on ico price if any alt coins as bitcoins is independent and are use as major trading pairs of any altcoins. So what ever price ico altcoins may give this would not affect Bitcoin price in general.

ICO’s cannot kill bitcoin but they are damaging the credibility of this market as many ICO were not able to fill their promises and investors get huge losses and some ICO go scam after getting peoples money and bitcoin has no direct relation with ICO.

I think that in your words there is a lot of truth, because the projects immediately carry the cryptocurrency not the market and sell it. Which in its own way contributes to the decline in the rate of all currencies.

That’s completely the contrary of what ICOs to bitcoins is because ICOs gave bitcoin life because the more people are joining those icos, the more people are using bitcoin and thus giving it more life.

everything has its own reasonable excuse, would be Bitcoin so accessible to all who in the subject would be millionaires) ;)

I believe most of the people and organisations who deal in bitcoin view it as means to transfer value from A to B, hence "currency" in cryptocurrency. what hurts bitcoin the most is people treating it as an investment in my oppinion. to sum it up icos might be hurting a portion of bitcoin price, but its essentially impossible to "kill" already established working currency with promise of becoming one. if any coin kills bitcoin it will be long past the ico stage of its life.

I honestly don't get it why people tend to care about BTC way more than about other coins and crypto overall. Emergence of new coins help crypto evolve.

thats correct, bitcoin is just the coin of it's miners

maybe it's true but not because of the ICO system but because there are too many ICOs that fail and fraud, so trust is reduced, while cripto is very dependent on investor confidence because it affects the demand that is the market controller, I don't know if the ICO can kill the bitcoin I know the ICO is a modern business system created because of cripto, and every system will be successful or not it depends on the person who runs it.

No, I do not agree with this opinion because such small startups, as compared with Bitcoin itself, cannot prevent it from developing and continuing to grow further in price. the problem is not in them

well, it is true that the ICO has a bad influence but at least from every ICO there are also positive things to be gained such as new technology and innovation. All of them were determined from the funding results obtained, whether the ICO achieved softcap or hardcap because of that determines the development of the existence of the ICO. but certainly the ICO also has an effect on strengthening market prices because all are interrelated

crypto ICO is not killing bitcoin, why? because it work in the different platfrom, i think crypto ICO is the one of list that makes bitcoin can growing more and more, and i think makes bitcoin is more popular than before

Bitcoin has a very good value stable. almost all altcoins follow the growth of the value of bitcoin so that everyone is interested in bitcoin. because bitcoin has been proven to provide real benefits for smart users.

Well i guess not all ICO's have negative effect on Bitcoin growth, only those scams and fraud ICOs. Legit ICOs infact can bring positive impact to the crypto community by introducing new blockchain technology innovation and products. Unfortunately, there are still huge number of ICOs nowadays which are just scam, its all up to the community to decide whether to engage and invest on those ICOs.

ICOs contribute to achieving the bigger goal of the entire crypto industry through the utilization of the Blockchain. All cryptocurrencies complement each other as they send a message across to the world of the imminent digital currency order.

He was worried about the funds at ico running into fiat, and making the bitcoin market weak. you don't need to worry about that dude
bitcoin won't die because of that? that's the cycle in crypto investment. You don't need to be afraid of something like that

why not ? we should still worry about that because that might be the cause of the death of bitcoin . at first it can weaken the sales of bitcoin because people are get easily attracted about the benefits of investing in ico's plus there were now also alot of ico that is offering more competitive incentives than the others  , eventually all existing investors will  now divert thier investments to ico's because they see that the bitcoin market is going down and not seem to recover anymore and can soon die if now one will ever have the interest to invest on it .

can you imagin that bro ? hmmm ???

Not really that crypto ICOs are killing bitcoin it's their own system which is rotating him and affects on different altcoins so no need to worry it's all depending on the supply and demand.

Bitcoin is the basic need for buying and selling the altocoin on any exchanges. Mostly many coins are trading against bitcoin pairing. All ico are coming with the base of ERC20 supported wallet and running in the market but there is less effect to the bitcoin. NO any ico can not kill the bitcoin and this is a big joke.

With the presence of many new crypto coins means the choice of people who want to trade or invest crypto the more choices, of course there is good. But there is also bad. Because all altcoins are converted to bitcoin, while bitcoin is converted to USD . So the more altcoins, the money invested in bitcoin will decrease, while bitcoin itself is a cryrtocurrency parameter

I think that crypto ICO is best at their own and bitcoin has it's own value in the market the people trust bitcoin more than any new ICO so i can say that ICO are not the reason to kill bitcoin people have bitcoin in their portfolio and it is fact that bitcoin will always survive for the whole life, Bitcoin has a high value in the market and it is never happen that bitcoin will die.

Right now i would icos are not killing bitcoin, they are killing ethereum. Those ico guys collected millions of ETH and are now dumping them en masse. Bitcoin is being hodled for now

ICO stands for "Initial Coin Offering", an ICO established by a group or company. Having the idea to help the community, it is necessary to raise funds for the successful implementation of the project. Investors support the company by purchasing tokens using BTC, ETH or other Crypto . I don't think that ICO will kill Bitcoin

I think that ICO's will not kill bitcoin, ico provides a lot of potential for profit when exchanging their coins. And even this also still depends on eth or bitcoin. Bitcoin remains a pioneer and all will continue to favor bitcoin both now and in the following years.

Bitcoin could not get harmed by the ICO's anyways. The ICO's help the coins Bitcoin pioneered push the price of BTC up.

The price of Bitcoin affect in relation to the change in the crypto market. The ICO can't kill Bitcoin. The appearance of the ICO is consistent with the technological era and especially the decentralized era because of One needs to be the transparency of the system. Bitcoin won't die and will grow more.

Because most of the people/investors are Bitcoin investors and most of them invested at its peak when it was skyrocketing at the later part of 2017 and early part of 2018 this will surely answer your question. ;D
And Bitcoin is no doubt the best crypto currency so far with its really awesome security feature and for almost a decade its system is never been high jacked or jeopardized by hackers. 8)

Actually new crypto currency initial coin offerings help Bitcoin to be on the top list of most traded crypto currency and its dominance on Coin market capitalization is freaking awesome.
Take a look at this picture below.
https://i.imgur.com/b3IfU4O.png
It shows 53.7% overall dominance on the whole crypto currency market and every ICO that obviously most of them pairs with Bitcoin and most of the coins or tokens listed on exchangers have a Bitcoin trading pair this obligates the investors to buy Bitcoin first to be able to trade or buy the coin or token they want.

ICOs are not just killing bitcoin by doing but also the whole crypto industry. When they pushed btc down, all the altcoins follow. But I do not believe that most of the ICOs does that because they need funding to pay for their devs or the team working on it.

BTC won't die because of the ICO for sure but i think we share a similar thought about ICO's. It would need a "filter" to remove those who are just crowdfunding with actual no use of the BC.

IMHO all this amount of ICO's is damaging the mass adoption because tons are useless / scams (don't look at my signature since BC is useless at this point of the project  ::) ). But ICO's are evolving the BC technology with new opportunities and that's magic to see how it's growing. I would also agree with the fact that it's killing the BTC philosophy since plenty of projects are centralized... "Nakamoto" would probably be disappointed to see how it has been used to make some greedy people richer.

Anyway, BTC is also, to this point, the safest one and hopefully we will see the loss of fiat use for cryptocurrencies during the current decade ;)

i dont think so, ICOs werre here many years ago and still bitcoin is alive and kicking, before 2 years ago this is how i believe only then that its now 2018 and it hought oh wait bitcoin is still here, and because of ico bitcoin were purchase and sold so it helps bitcoin to circulate more..

I don’t know what kind of filter you can think of to be 100% sure that the ICO is genuine or not, deception or not, now is the time when people come up with very complex systems and some projects are very interesting and could be developed, people ruin them for greed (

that is true is not only to see a project and say that it is useful at first sight, the idea is that you observe its products or services and consider if it is really useful for people.

Sometimes this may not be in the short term but maybe in the future when the adoption increases a lot of people will want to acquire tokeno at least that is my way of thinking.

It was fantasy i know that this kind of filter will not be possible (well it might through ICO review service which that wouldn't be free of use  :'( ). No what i meant is there is load of projects that don't use the power of BC, it's just a way to raise funds for their project. Basically they see the BC as a way to raise founds and that's it. We don't really need those kind of projects in cryptoworld IMHO.

I agree with you about the greed of people / company that can ruin everything. Wait, isn't it the current global system actually? ;)

I would not say that ICO kills bitcoin or ether. Most likely this is one of the branches of the development of cryptocurrency in general. Just for now, cryptocurrency is a wild west. Many destinations have not yet acquired the required form. By and large, it was thanks to ICO that many successful projects appeared, including ether. Perhaps the problem of scam in the ICO will be solved thanks to security tokens, regulation by the authorities or freezing tokens for developers for a year or more.

I don’t know what is relevant at the moment, but just now, basically, when you look at some projects, or the ICO first of all you spend a lot of time trying to find out where is deception and where is the catch, it seems to me that to some extent it slows down the development of the cryptocurrency market in the world, how to deal with it? I do not know(

All other crypto are coming after bitcoin and other coins are using for a projects but all of them are virtual currencies may the ICO are good and successful but it is not trusted as bitcoin is trusted and the present situation of bitcoin is good because it is stable form and i like that bitcoin value is stable.

ICO can not kill Bitcoin because Bitcoin has come to stay and putting smile in traders face, I do not think that anybody whoe invest in bitcoin will regreate by doing so. Crypto ICO cannot kill Bitcoin.

no one can ban the ICO's and no one can ban Bitcoin, this is purely business. but from what I noticed with the emergence of the ICO, the name Bitcoin is increasingly known by many people, not even killing it, I think you should think about that again about the ICO's that killed Bitcoin..

It true that the icos are killing bitcoin. This is because of the recent scam issues that comes with icos. When people notice this scam issues, they quit to escape being scammed. Again people exchange their monies to buy new coins which reduce bitcoin price.

I don't think that there is something that can kill btc because it is the most powerful one. To my mind, it is better to use btc as the long-term investment at the moment because it is worth it!

Fully agree with your statement!

you think it's too narrow, you say that ICO kills and drops bitcoin, whereas in fact the price of new crypto currencies also follows developments in bitcoin prices, of course this will be a better crypto currency community and with more crypto currency communities then the price Bitcoin will also continue to increase.

The rise of many fraudulent ICOs has made the cryptocurrency market have signs of volatility. Bitcoin is also a worrying influence for new investors.

no, I don't think so I mean yes up to some extent but no one can stop bitcoin from growing finally bitcoin will the winner

I dont think ICOs are killing bitcoin. Many ICOs success when landed in market and make their investor gain big profits. ICOs developers thats hold bitcoin will not selling their bitcoin because they need to build their project. I am believe good ICOs make cryptocurrency market more attractive with their new project

indeed ico has a bad impact on bitcoin but if the ico is run successfully then a new investment system will emerge and it also benefits those who invest their money in ico

ICOs are not killing the Bitcoin. They are exposing the mainstream society to the use of cryptocurrencies.  I agree that majority of ICOs are scam project that are out to defraud the unsuspending investors of their funds. Still, there are genuine ICOs that are beneficial to both investors and developers. One needs to do his due diligence before investing.

ICOs killing Etherium, thats sad truth.  Every finished ICO selling its tokens and withdraw eth with damp.

Yes those scammed projects has killed the image of bitcoin and cryptocurrency because those people will no longer buy bitcoin due to their bad experience. 

LOL.. this post was made in 2014, almost one year before the Ethereum ICO went live (the pre-sale happened in 2014 though). I will never blame the ICOs. Because they played their part in popularizing the crypto, at least during the initial days.

I need to say that bitcoin is quite tough one to die, if everybody tries to kill him. I personally think that the difference btw general sum of investments  Bitcoin gets from ICO and amount of money it gets from investments of big corporation is just incomparable. Let's say ICO is a cup while investments of big companies who store their money in bitcoin and conduct operations via it is a swimming pool. Hardly cup can influence on the ocean where swimming pool and cup take places.

Those who have half cooked knowledge about crypto give these kind of excuses. They will also repeat the same thing again and again and it will seldom have any sense to it.

Exactly, so there's pros/cons on this ICO projects. Funny thing is, last year there's was so many scam ICO as well but people never blame them because bitcoin is really doing good and even reach ath. But know, ICO is like a curse to Bitcoin, Lmao.

This year is not the year of ICOs. This is where ICOs totally affected either by scammers, the down market, or both. Most ICOs were not able to reach the soft cap leading to halt of the ICOs. But, I don't think that this scenario is affecting bitcoin. It is a bit independent of ICOs of not performing well.

ICOs are definitely making BTC's path hard but not killing, BTC is one of a kind.

Somehow I don't agree with this. Maybe it should have been said as there has been increase in scam project of recent which is why they are making away with raised funds and somehow no one can check or question them. This is really one of the biggest problems of crypto space. because anyone can wakeup and run and ICO . there should be a solution .

If you are asking me if Crypto currencies ICO's are killing bitcoin then in my own opinion I can tell you that the other crypto currencies out there doesn't have any chances in killing bitcoin because bitcoin is the king of crypto currencies, whatever the condition of bitcoins market value then all the other crypto currencies also depends on bitcoins market value, so if bitcoins goes down then the rest of crypto currencies will also go down.

yes we agree with you, I see a lot of ico that are scams and involve big losses to bitcoin, that's what I know for now

Do you think next year will be the year of ICO? I think the trust in them has already been lost by 99% :-\

I don't think ICOs are killing bitcoins. It actually strengthens bitcoins in a certain level since ICOs that create alt coins create competition against bitcoins. It pumps up bitcoin price unless there comes a true bitcoin killer. But as of now, there has been no no sight of it.

yes you are right ico will never need bitcoin, your knowledge is wide enough to rank newbie.
but there are lots of ico that really fail and useless come every month and will generate shitcoin.

maybe it's not the bad ICO but the post ICO process, management and actions end up being less smooth or arguably failed. there is no ICO that is said to be successful, and it makes people think negatively and views that the ICO is a useless thing and even a scam, but I'm sure it won't kill crypto or bitcoin, that thought is too far

yes it does look that way. ICO currently makes all investors prefer to invest on ICO rather than bitcoin. so the spread of investor capital also makes the bitcoin volume weaken. but it does not completely kill bitcoin, because until now bitcoin activity if bitcoin rise high, even some ICO also can be paused or delay.

we already have so many case to study from 2017 to 2018 crypto hype. think is developers only think of making money out of ICO, they dont care about the future of the crypto at large..

It's more like the ICO's are killing Ethereum nowadays. People normally buy Ethereum when investing in ICO and once the ICO is over they cash out their money with small profits or even end up losing a large chunk of their initial investment. Once people invested in 1-2 ICOs and lose their money they stay away from both Ethereum and ICOs if not all the cryptocurrencies. They would finally realized the bitcoin is the only real and true crypto to invest in, that is less risky than the rest.  

You are right, but only on half. Also, all these ico blur the entire capitalization of cryptocurrency and take an important part of the whole market. Also a number of projects seen in cheating, make a bad reputation for cryptocurrency and bitcoin in particular.

I don't believe cryptocurrency ICO are killing Bitcoin, every genuine altcoin has challenges to provide solutions to despite that there are lot of Cryptocurrency that are scam it only affect those who spend their Bitcoin in purchasing this shit coins. Bitcoin will still pump very soon , no need shit blame of the bear market to ICO .there is always rooms for bear likewise  bull that we are yet to experience this year.

ICO didn't kill Bitcoin, but ICO is now synonymous with scams.
In the past year, due to the popularity of ICO in the world, Bitcoin has received unprecedented attention and prices have soared. However, due to its instability (lack of effective supervision), ICO fell from the moon in less than a year. Although bitcoin declined, it still remained above $6,000 high price, so ICO actually has a big positive impact on Bitcoin.
I don't think ICO is good, but at least for Bitcoin, ICO does not have a negative impact on Bitcoin.

and making money by inferring somewhat excellent projects, but doing it simply in order to throw people for money is just some nonsense :-\ :-\

I agree if that can kill bitcoin, ico is cheap and can make a bigger profit. and investment in ico can also be more profitable than investing in bitcoin. that's why bitcoin will die, because more investors are investing in ico than investing in bitcoin.

most ICOs kill themselves because they just want to get money but don't hurry to develop the projects they promised to investors.

i don't think like that,
because even though the ico project looks very cheap and investors get a lot of benefits from the ico project (if lucky) but i think investors just want to take a moment's profit from the ico project.

mostly after getting the benefits of the ico project, they returned to buying bitcoin. and as long as i know cryptocurrency, many ico projects cannot last more than 3 months. so it won't be possible for the ico project to kill bitcoin.

in my opinion not. more and more crypto currency variants are getting better for users and the development of digital currencies in the world. we can have various options for investment or trade or mining. we can choose the best cyrpto currency from all that is on the crypto market. this will make crypto currency competition even tighter, and currencies that have good management systems and trust levels will be chosen by crypto users.

Well, i don't support the ideology that ICOs are killing Bitcoin. Remember, through ICOs most people has got to know about cryptocurrency. Through the awareness creation made by ICOs, the entire crypto space has gone global. ICOs added a new sense of value to the crypto market.

Yeah, I agree. More than 95% ICOs are bullshit projects offering shit coins. Almost altcoins are going to die soon. These kills bitcoins, ether and cryptos market as well.

in other words, every coin issued by ICO, it can divert investors from bitcoin to the new coin, and in my opinion it could kill bitcoin. But do you forget that after the investor buys the coin then they exchange it for bitcoin again, that is a benefit for bitcoin, because with any coin later it will become bitcoin too.

I think ICOs actually help bitcoins to pump up in price and keep the circulation healthy by promoting competition within and between bitcoin owners and alt coin investors respectively. It promotes comparisson between the two factions and therefore allows movement in the market.

ICO's can't kill Bitcoin although this affected to price and market
because many ICO's are scam now.

Yeah I also disagree with that statement, because ico has a big role in the development of cryptocurrency, how does the promotion carried out by many ico make many outsiders know and be aware of crypto, even though many ico are scams it doesn't mean it kills bitcoin? we only need a new system to protect investors

very much agree with what you say, ico will not kill bitcoin, ico can we learn, not all ico scam and don't think ico is bad but from ico we can generate big income.