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-reposted from previous topic-

I know that you are posting your concerns in a positive and constructive manner. You won't get any grief from me.

First things first, I want to get back on track if at all possible - before proceeding on to anything else. It seems to me from the past week of posts that this is what most people agree with.

yep first :o

well done, now we can remain on topic

Hello Community,

The New Development team wanted to step in here and make an official announcement regarding the state of LTCD in the current market.

We have now almost finalized the takeover of the currency and we are working hard to layout a roadmap and get genuinely obtainable goals set so that the community can come together and vote on which we should fund second after Proof of Stake.


We understand what has all went on. You were promised innovation, you were teased with 2.0 Technology and because of the lack of releases you are hurt. We are hurt. The new development team invested heavily in this currency just as you had and we all shared the vision of changing cryptocurrency for the better.

This has failed. There was no innovation, there was no 2.0... YET. Yet is the keyword here. The existing developers didn't simply have enough time to get these features set and in place.

Instead of focusing on what they didn't accomplish, we the new development team are choosing to look at what they did create. Let me remind you. We have a large and active community, we have a stable blockchain with good mining support for now, we have decent volume, we have a great difficulty shield that can help with future forks.

I ask you to hold your tongue. We get that this has become a sad excuse and we are working to revamp and re-establish this currency. Posting facts about the past team no longer has validity on this new page. If we as the new development team mess up, lie to you, or other instances, please let us know.

With this weekend and into next week (I have next week off of work) we will be GRINDING out so much work to get a foothold so that we can move FORWARD. We have taken so many steps backward lately that we need to leap forward to stay in the game, or it's over. I get that, we get that, you get that.

POS will be out number one target short term. Following that we want untraceable transactions, and many other suggested features. But for the time being we will be focusing on POS. I have developed a Proof of Stake Decay whitepaper that will be used for the new feature. This POSD will extend the life of the currency with a POS system and give us the needed short term boost to get to where we should be.

Again, we are working hard. I will admit, it's incredibly crappy for me to come here and read all of the people that have lost hope. Hope is all we have left and with our incoming improvements we hope to re-establish the belief that there is a capable development team behind this currency.

Thanks,

-Alec

I'm getting a 404 error for the windows wallet link?

At this moment the new wallet links are offline while we inspect the code and make sure they are appropriate for release. If/when the new team endorses them we will bring them online. In the meantime i'll find you a link to our old wallets. Those are still functional and working very well.

That explains it!  ;)

Thanks!

Why not just have a moderated topic and an unmoderated topic? Just let people complain if they want in one thread and the thread to be kept clean of all negative stuff? you run both topics, seems like you are just frustrated to me.

It's not about being frustrated... And no amount of negativity will have a positive effect for this coin or the community... We are and have always been strong fighters against any and all FUD... We are doing the best we can to pick up the pieces and run with them... The alternative is we let this coin die which non of us really want... How about instead of complaining you ask how can you help? And if you have nothing to add then help by staying positive and giving encouragement to the new Dev team!! We have a good solid base from which to build upon and at this point we all have very little to loose so why not let the team do what they need to do to move this community forward....

If any of you want out you know where the door is... But for those of you willing to take a chance that something good can be recovered then please bare with us as this is a monumental task to straighten out and will take time so please we ask for your patience...

Thanks,

Ghosty

I don't own any Coins myself, I was just making a suggestion. Came across the coin when my friend made some videos, seems like you need to get rid of the POW and go for POS (which is why I never invested). POS has it's drawbacks but atleast you aren't getting eaten alive by sell pressure. With POW only, you always need to be buying the coins that are being mined, otherwise the price with gravitate lower. It's not like it's not worth that much, if you took the average buy in price, the coin would be worth a lot more.

@Crestington,

Too much unsubtantiated FUD was getting in the way of progress for the new team in regard to getting up to speed and well organized. Pump and Dump propaganda that only serves the motives of the greedy have no relevance. There was a significant increase of both types which was purely opportunistic squatting while they thought we were too busy to nuke that shit.

They were wrong.

This is our topic. We will use it as a communication tool to facilitate forward progress of the project. Not going to allow it to be perverted by others to use as their soapbox to spew false information and/or manipulative propaganda.

I will delete any post that deviates from the goal of moving forward. I will not delete posts that express an opposing opinion regarding how to reach our goals, as long as any such posts are rationally composed and civilized in tone. Any mention of anything FUD or P&D will lead to the deletion of the entire contents of such post.

This starts now.

Thanks Vic. I appreciate the effort you and the other team members have put into keeping this alive. Let's get this train rolling again.  ;D

Hello,

Thanks for the new updates and the new page here.

I always thought it better that if we were going to start a new page then we should have a new coin name to go with it, if a break from the past was really intended.

All of that should have gone to vote as well. I remember most people in the community wanted to keep the old page/name going for a while yet.

Have the newly elected devs acted on their own accordance with this decision? I was rather hoping they were community representatives and not new Presidents. Bear in mind also the FUD posts could have quite as easily been deleted on the old page as they will be on this one.

That said, I welcome Aleckloss, and all the other devs for their input and time with the coin. I see more good than bad going on.

I would just prefer the community to be making decisions and not just have new people "in charge".

Since the thread changed I have to post to keep updated on LCTD news again.

One more ;D, much support!!

You're welcome.



Not trying to break from the past, simply move forward from where we were. You may bring up the issue of coin name in a separate post. It will be easier for others to follow and reply to it.



There is nothing that needed to be voted on. The reason for the previous topic being locked and the new one being started was due to an ongoing 18 hour assault of SPAM (excessive floods of emoticons and gifs), pure and hateful FUD as well as the normal kind, and a co-ordinated attempt to manipulate using the topic to promote a Pump and Dump attempt. There was no time to gather everyone in the community to call a vote. It took hours to get most of the crap cleaned up while preparing the new topic.



Yes.



Despotic Dictators without any clue whatsoever, most of the time. We take community advice when we are completely helpless.



No, not at all. The old topic was not self-moderated and required the direct interaction of a severely overworked site moderator. We couldn't delete posts.



We intend to keep it this way.



The community lacks a sufficient insight and inside knowledge of how it all works or will work, and therefore not in a position to make cogent technically oriented informed DECISIONS. How would disagreements within the community be resolved if it were mob-rule? What if some of the community weren't who we thought they were, and turn out to be sabateurs? Not everyone who lurks here is on the up-and-up.

We intend to take the general community concensus and put it into effect. Somebody has to keep it orderly and sorted out. Top responsibility goes to me because I was chosen as best candidate. There were no objections. Robbert had the ultimate choice, anyhow. He took the community opinion into account when making his choice. LTCD was not created by the community. It was created by an individual. The final and ultimate choice was his to make.

His choice was me. I'm interested in the community input and opinion. Not bound by it. Just a point of fact. I'm not 'putting my foot down' on the subject of community, so don't go off the wrong way about this. I'm a nice guy, and I don't see that changing any time soon.

Ok thanks for all the explanations. The coin is in good hands considering who lurks beyond in the shady world of crypto.

There's always arguing points to be made, and I don't think mob-rule really fits the bill when voting for who wants what.

But if Robbert has passed his creation onto you then I suppose casting votes will go to those who are putting in the man hours to keep us all from drowning in a 1 Satoshi pool of despair.

Everyone wants something different and you can never please everyone all of the time, so please continue with the efforts made so far.

I hope my questioning way doesn't come off too harshly for people who are making such sacrifices of their own time.

Nice hear about add PoS to coin.
All people who dont want sell coins for actually price will be have some profit from PoS even when price will be better.
I keep my small pack 125k coins and waiting for wallet with PoS and price rising too ofc :)

Unless you take into account the lurkers that haven't spoken up yet - if they crawled out of the woodwork and voted in a way that the vocal community doesn't predict.



Continuing input will be a helpful guide for us all. It will assist in choosing future advancement and the direction to take.



You sure got that right, brother!



Your questions have been relevant, direct, clear, and blunt. I don't detect any element of harshness at all.

It seems like the best choice, really.

I like that POS is coming. 
However, I question the timing of implementing it prior to getting 2nd gen (2.0) up n running.

TrollbyFire had said that the code for a 1.0 POS would not fit well with 2.0. It would work but not at 100% optimal.
As a programmer, I understand what he is saying.

An analogy would be like having an engine that requires 100 octane fuel and putting 90 octane fuel in it. It will still run but not as well as if the right fuel was used.

Trying to get code from a prior version to play nice with a later version can be a challenge. 
I know this 1st hand as having worked on fixing programs for Y2K glitch.  Sometimes it was easier to rewrite from scratch. In some cases, that was not an option.

If we are not going to wait for 2nd gen to come online; I suggest that features introduced now be rewrote for 100% sync with 2.0.
When 2.0 w/POS comes online, hard fork so that the 1.0 POS is no more and we are not hamstrung by it and any 1.0 stuff.

This is meant as constructive input, not FUD.

We're already talking about more than PoS. Why is it you choose to leave out everything else that I mentioned *to go with* PoS? I think you're a bit out-of-the-loop.

Take the time to understand what *WE* are already talking about before you try to contribute to the conversation.

You refer to something Troll said. Here's my thing - Troll speaks for himself - if he speaks. Nobody speaks for him. That includes you.

Your analogy is a bit incorrect because the assumptions you are basing it on are incorrect and out of date.

I know you are trying to offer constructive suggestions. I'm saying that you are simply a bit behind our current state and the information you have is old and not relevant today. Please get caught up with the rest of us so that we are all on the same page with our collective discussion.

Dumping or holding is entirely up to you. Prefer not to discuss trading and prices in the development topic. Make a topic for trading/price and discuss it in that other topic, please.

There are no DEV coins to dump.

Your post has been deleted.

why did you lock the previous thread?

Concerted effort by butthurt spammers, fudders, and pump & dump crew. They were making a mess for 18 hours. Already posted about it.

This thread is for development talk only. Any other discussion - people can go make some other thread where nobody important will bother to follow.

Do you know what the initial motive is for the spammers and dumpers to try and destroy this coin anyway?

With all the effort they have put into doing that, imagine what the price would be if they focused on helping it to go up instead. They would then surely profit from that themselves.

I don't understand why they feel so dead-set spending their own time to make a mess of something good.

I would rather let the entire subject die off without having to delete more posts. Why they do it varies from jealousy, manipulation, and so forth.

Really? I've been following the threads daily and believed I was up-to-date.  Please tell me exactly where I am wrong so that I may stand corrected and be up to speed as you put it.   My main point was PoS and I did touch on the other areas albeit not directly.
 
As for the comment I made re:Troll, I was summarizing what he had posted. In no way was I even attempting to speak for him. 
Rules of debate I follow state that one sites a source that supports your stand. In this case, it was to ref. a post of Troll's. 

What I mean by debate is open, civil discussion of various points of view to come to a consensus.

Yeah, really.



You were mistaken.



Do your own work. Go read.


 

There, I fixed some of it for you. You fix the rest. Come back when your 'tude is straight.

I'm kind of going with Angora on this one.

I thought he made some interesting points, but then I'm hardly an expert on code so I probably know less than most. But he seemed concise and well put to me.

As a programmer would he be of use to the community in that role? I don't think we have someone filled yet for that post.

If you are interested Angora please let us know. [If the devs still want someone].

He made good points, yes. But some information was inaccurate.

We are currently reviewing a few leads and candidates. He is on the list, if we don't make our choice from the people that still need to reply.

any news on the partnership with the DOGED dev? Thought he was eager the help?

fill mammix2 in the dev/coder list , the pos problem is a tough one
he has some solution

Thank you for the consideration. Respectfully I am declining it for 2 reasons.
1) I have not done any type of coding on a crypto coin.
2) The coin is written in C++.  I work with C# and am just starting to learn C++.  While the 2 languages are similar; there is a difference in syntax.
It would not be fair to the community for me to learn on the job, so to speak.   

If the DEVs are looking for code beta testers, I am willing to help in that manner as my time permits as a volunteer.

Whoa. Dial it back Vic.  Your reading attitude where none was given. I could infer from the tone of your msg attitude. I chose instead to see it as a cultural mannerism.  It seems what we have here is a case of cultural mannerism clash.

I have gone back and reread the past few days of posts here and in olde thread.   I can honestly say that I do not see where I am not on the same page you are. 
All the post I saw where were DEV is looking at implementing POS n I2P  in the V1.0 coin.   My original post is based on that.  I do not see any info that would change it.
 
If you still feel I am not in sync (up to date); I respectfully aske to be shown, in a civil n polite manner where my info is in error and what the current state is.
In my culture, a leader will do so in a constructive, polite n respectful teaching manner.

I concede your point about possible differences in cultural mannerism. Entirely possible. If so, I don't apologize for reading you wrong - I blame you for not considering how your words would be understood by others and expecting everyone to see things YOUR WAY. I suggest you take the cultural mannerism issue into account and choose your words more carefully to avoid projecting yourself in a way that you don't intend. That part lies on your shoulders.



You and I aren't seeing the same thing, then.



You misunderstood. My posts only refer to PoS and I2P in a small few instances. Also, I clearly stated that it is a personal priority in MY OWN head. Never said it was a final decision, ever. I put my thoughts out in the forum for members of the community to consider and discuss. I never said any of it was in reference specifically to or suggested it was intended for v1.0 coin. If you only saw posts regarding PoS, I2P, and v1.0 coin - you completely failed to read the vast majority of other available posts which made no reference to PoS or I2P or v1.0 coin. Your own fault.
  


Look again, and look back one or two more days. Also, you made reference to things you allege that Troll said or intends - but your interpretation is based on nothing relevant whatsoever.



That is my feeling, yes - you are not in sync. I respectfully inform you that you HAVE BEEN shown *** ---> in the forum - keep reading it. I'm not going to repost what is already laid out, simply so you can conveniently avoid clicking backward to older pages. I have other things to do that do not include spoonfeeding repeat info.



Your cultural observations do not necessarily apply to anyone else. I have no intention of learning how to disregard my own culture just so I can kiss your ass and pet you soothingly while I whisper words that you think you want to hear in exactly whatever way you think you want to hear them.

You are coming across as a snot, still.

I see my role as keeping the coin intact and seeing it move forward. My role is not to teach you fuck-all. It is up to you to learn from what is made available. If you misinterpret, disregard, or find fault with that, you need to resolve that within yourself.

I won't entertain this issue any further. Keep your posts neutral, objective, and focus on the topic of forward progress. If you make a post about "boo-hoo the big bad man hurt my feelings and it was his job to keep my diaper dry" or any post that is even partially off topic, the entire post will be deleted without reply.

Don't presume to lecture me or anyone else about what your cultural expectations are.

What I see is someone really wants LTCD to succeed. Can't we all see that everyone who's still with this community wants the best for this coin. We are all on the same page. Please respect the input, and please respect the replies fo the devs. The community is what keeps this coin going, the devs are the ones who are going to make this coin great, just repect eachother and try to see positivity in stead of negativity, had to get it of my chest.

Go DEVS! ;D

I have had no contact and I have not been informed that there has been any contact.

I heard from the DogeD dev he was eager to help, but didn't get an reply after he messaged his offer to help, maybe he's asking high fees, I don't know :)

Perhaps he is a bit busy with other things and has not had time available for discussion yet. There has been no communication that I am aware of, and therefore no fees have been mentioned.

To summarize something that is relevant but may not be clear to some people --
The issue of a handover is slightly more than a week old. There was an interim period of time in which several of us stepped up to keep things organized while the issue was assessed. A determination was made on November 24 (2014) in regard to how the official handover would be conducted. The process of handing over BEGAN on Nov 24. In the United States, there is a holiday that generally is observed by most of us which spans 4 days (began Nov 27 and ended Nov 30). The handover was finalized on Nov 28 which was day number 2 of the holiday. Right now, this very moment, the holiday ended 4 hours ago and I should be asleep. The beginning of the first business day following the holiday does not occur until 5 hours from now.

This would be a reasonable explanation for why several people we've tried to communicate with have not yet replied. Those people may be travelling or may be entertaining a large number of family house-guests. I've had a lot of family and friends in and out of my home for the past 4 days, so I don't find it difficult to accept that others may be experiencing the same.

Because it was obvious to me and quite a few others that the handover would be interrupted by the extended holiday, we tried to make it clear MANY DAYS AGO that forward progress might not be made manifest immediately. I expected that some people in some parts of the world might not be aware of our holiday.

I'm convinced that goverments and agencies want to suvail everyone in crypto sooner or later, my convincion is that dark is the way to go, looks promising to let the devs of darks work together on dark tech :)

Governments and other agencies are putting high priority on 'Dark' targets for surveillance. 'Dark' is like wearing a bright orange shirt that screams "I'm Up To No Good".

Dark tech is the way to go for maintaining any level of personal privacy. Wearing the 'Dark' name is counterproductive. I suggested a name change 6 weeks ago (or close to that) for this exact reason. At the time, the majority were in disagreement. I presented my case, and then laid it to rest. I never brought it up again before now.

'Dark' tech, but drop the 'Dark' label. Also, TOR network users are targeted for high priority surveillance simply due to the way TOR network is perceived by the authorities as a major security risk. Using 'Dark' as a label and using TOR network is pretty much guaranteeing that there is a high probability of BEGGING for the wrong kind of attention from the wrong kind of people.

I think you're right Vic. Maybe we should change the name soon. I think it would be a good move especially since the coin has a new dev team. It would be refreshing.

Great point. It would move the focus away from the bad press LTCD has been getting if we went for a new name. Effectively it would be like launching a new coin from the successful platform of an old one.

I do like the logo of LTCD so maybe we can do something similar to that without losing aesthetic value.

All of this is bang on the money for me.

Besides TOR and DARK focused coins attract bad investment people. E.g. the types who will try the P&D game.

If we want to make this a long term successful coin it needs commercial assistance to maintain the price at a reasonable value. TOR and DARK wont do this.

LitecoinPrivate ;D

I imagine a code beta-tester could be very helpful and lighten the load on others, not to mention iron out any glitches.

It is too soon to make any estimate on when the website work will be complete. It is currently in the process of being made - which is why you sometimes see missing files on the server.

What part of "It is currently in the process of being made" do you NOT understand?

Also, a point of FACT for you - LTCD was not created or maintained in a professional manner in the past. It has all been primarily community work up until 2 weeks ago.

This is the development topic for the coin technology. The website does not fall into this topic.

ok here a list of dev nominated for ProofOfHonor:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=855130.800
the POH vote and someone will find LTCD and notice the active community:
i'm candidating mammix2 from fibre , he can give us fibrelock for the wallet :o

if you have someone to vote can nominate today :
http://www.coinssource.com/poh-nomination/

We may have to completely rebuild LTCD in order to move forward into Gen 2. If so, I am guessing there is a strong possibility that it will take longer than a month to properly plan for all related issues and then get coding and testing done.

If a rebuild is not necessary, then your desire to see something within a month might not be a pipe-dream. I guess that much would depend on how long it takes to get a coder on the team permanently.



If you want to make it seem like an ultimatum, then I suggest you begin thinking RIGHT NOW. Because I will not be extorted by suggested threats. What you do with what is yours has no significance to me personally. You can light it all on fire, and I won't feel a thing. If I can save you your funds, I will. But not under any threat vs deadline.



Truly? Who is 'we'? I haven't lost any value on mine. 1 LTCD = 1 LTCD.



I wasn't going to. But since you bring it up with an undertone of hostility - What are you going to do if I did say "Value does not mean anything at the moment"? Ground me and take away my birthday?



What investors? Who pre-bought during the ICO/IPO that never existed? LTCD is not a company and there is no stock. There are no investors, unless you count me and Bitcoin Operated Boy. We are the only two people who have contributed any funds into the development account. Simply buying something on a market does not make somebody an investor. Example, buying a can of Coke does not mean you have any ownership in the Coca Cola company. To own part of Coca Cola, you would need to own stock.



I see nothing received into the dev funds. Provide TXIDs please.



Poorly formed, this time around, my friend. You are basing your opinion on your own misunderstanding, I think.



No date. We are still trying to figure out what exactly LTCD *is*. I mean the internal guts. Can't really start working until we know what we are building up from, and therefore can't estimate a time-frame. Unless you want a half-assed piece of work. If so, PM me and we can discuss it.

Can't estimate when promotion can begin until we have something finished which is READY for promotion. We can't really advertise a car for sale when we only have 4 tires and a steering wheel.

You can start hording now, if you like. I'm way way way ahead of you in that regard. I've been hording since day one.



I am going to consider it possible that you are having a not so great day and that you would have posted differently under more pleasant circumstances. I can relate. I've been a bit pissy lately myself. Couldn't even enjoy the Thanksgiving Holiday in peace.

Not sure if this is off topic but anyone wanting to pitch in with the technical side my want to learn from here:

http://www.learncpp.com/

I don't how long it would take to learn in order to be useful, but I will have a look at it.

Yes, your attitude seems hostile. Mine is inarguably grumpy at the moment. My holiday was ruined and my family time repeatedly interrupted by hostile people acting poorly in this topic. I have patience for well presented post from people. I do not have patience for somebody posting their misplaced anger or frustration.

I've been here since day one. It's irrelevant. You being here since week one is irrelevant.

The rest of your post quoted below definitely gives the impression that you are stomping your feet and blowing off some rage steam. Maybe you need to do that to get your head in a better place. But don't do it in the forum. Do it in your back yard.

Raging at any of the current team is completely misplacing your anger. We never did anything to any of you. When all hope seemed about to be lost, we stepped up. If not for that, your shit would be gone already. Think about that.

People want things done. Me and Alec have been working through the holiday and both of us have been doing more than one thing. Shit is happening. Chill out and let us get something finished so we can announce it. Having interruptions that require damage control only serves to take our time away from real work, thus making it take longer to give you all a bone to chew on.

I refuse to post some hypish bullshit announcement of some daydream thing that might be coming next week... Not my style. You, me, and many others have seen it before and then been disappointed when the 'thing' ends up not being delivered. I'll tell you what's what when it is DONE.

Usually, you post very objectively and provide something of substance. Do you now think that raging is going to increase the value of your coins? Seriously?!?

Take a breather, have a beer. Come back later and let's talk about the issues in a productive manner. Sure beats trying to compare e-penis size and thickness. How about you and I both call this conversation closed and reconvene like it never happened?

As far as a plan you ask me about - dude! This is the very first actual day that I've had the full authority to DO anything at all. I've been thinking about things and trying to form a contingency. But, as I said earlier, it isn't my style to say things that are purely speculative. Prior to today, anything I might have said in regard to plans could have been nullified by a U-turn in the handover process. I'm a realist, not a 'Steve Jobs' hype machine selling pink elephants at top dollar prices. I don't sell hope.

no Fear allowed, i'll buy it with my last breath if it goes any south than this
and if you want a faster return i think that reinvesting another 0,15 btc , 50 dollars
would only benefit the HODL of over 700 dollars
that you are doing , an exit price lower always wins .

I will do the same. Cheers.



I do, indeed.



The general idea is to get things going again in an upward direction. Neither you nor I can stop people from dumping what is theirs. In my mind, I'll just keep buying as much of what they are dumping as I am able to buy. I can only try to slow the effect of dumping, I can't afford to buy all of it.



Tomorrow it is, then.
Peace.

I haven't noticed any donation addresses on this new thread. That may facilitate the process. I would be happy to donate some ltcd to the cause.

At the very bottom of the First Post.

Fantastic gesture. How many other coins have that kind of backing from its community. This is why if we are all patient things can only go up again.

Vic and all the Devs will have to spend more time addressing posts calling them hero's than they were dealing with spam posts in some months time.

Noticed those. Just wasn't sure if there was a separate address for the dev fund. Funds en route. Thanks for the hard work.

Status: 4/unconfirmed, broadcast through 5 nodes
Date: 12/1/2014 12:29
To: LTCD Donation LLQypfHqkPEzG6QkqhHoV6hnw2FCVXkcHz
Transaction ID: 4314ec7ed5a806f3f83c322ed3a49a0603e9d9481601a0812c2ed827fd4cdaf9

Confirmed Received

Status: 30 confirmations
Date: 12/1/2014 15:31
From: unknown
To: LLQypfHqkPEzG6QkqhHoV6hnw2FCVXkcHz
Credit: 50000.00 LTCD
Net amount: +50000.00 LTCD
Transaction ID: 4314ec7ed5a806f3f83c322ed3a49a0603e9d9481601a0812c2ed827fd4cdaf9

Thank you, from the entire community.

wow, those were a frisky few pages to read through  ;)

I understand everyones point of view but I would advise to give the new team a bit of breathing room.
Yes value is dropping and ppl are losing btc's and don't like that.
But try to understand that the pressure here lays entirely on the devs shoulders, they are trying to revive this coin.
It wont help them do so if everyone starts targetting them, you don't want them to feel their effort isn't being appreciated do you?
Guess what will happen if they do.
they do it on a voluntary basis, putting their personal time into this coin.

I see vic is a bit stressed and I realy can't blame him, its amazing he is still not exploding during this constant firing of questions.
He is human just like you and I.
But at least he is trying to glew the pieces together here and how i see it, he is the only hope for the coins rivival.

so everyone take a time out and relax for a moment.

Just donated 4462.77691272 LTCD
 ;D

I was thinking. Instead of focusing on the anonymous part of it for the name we could focus on the modular aspect of it. We could rename it to something along the lines of LitecoinFlex because of its flexible design.
Just a suggestion.

I like that name/idea.

A flashy new logo would be good too.

Anonymous and Flexibel :) The anonymous part was a big plus, and the modular aspect too, please don't completely change LitecoinDark, the anonymous part is what brought people in, in my opinion that is ;D

Confirmed Received

Status: 153 confirmations
Date: 12/2/2014 03:34
From: unknown
To: LLQypfHqkPEzG6QkqhHoV6hnw2FCVXkcHz
Credit: 4462.77691272 LTCD
Net amount: +4462.77691272 LTCD
Transaction ID: 7461180d47ef79e6ab3b3900327fdcdfc669e7c1bc9db66576f146b888954906

Thank you from the entire community.

How about LucrumFlex.

Drop Lite and drop Coin.

My personal opinion is that 'coin' has been overused and misapplied - especially since these things exist only in the virtual sense, there is no actual 'coin'.

coin (noun)
1. a piece of metal stamped and issued by the authority of a government for use as money.
2. a number of such pieces.

*other uses are considered slang or archaic

Lucrum

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lucrum

Why should the name Litecoin be included? Does it have anything to do with Litecoin? I would choose an independent name that has something to do with the 2.0 features.

Is LiteDarkCoin much better?

I don't think so.

What about HardDarkCoin ?

Litecoin2Dark ?

How about no suggestions with "Lite" or "Coin" or "Dark" in the name?

My favorites:

• LitecoinGold
• LitecoinHard
• LitecoinOk
• Litecoin4U

I think LucraFlex (Lucra being a car.. but hey) its a play on words.  ??? ::) Lucrative and Flexible. Or MolyCoin, as in chrome moly. Strong and flexible. For some reason I feel like a car today.

Nope. See previous posts regarding why NO LITE and NO COIN and NO DARK.

They are old, tired, and worn out.

Think outside the little box, please.

Did that.....

What about the name VeritasDigital?

Find on net what is Veritas.

Definitely something that tells us only by name that it's a new generation crypto.

My answer was directed to askcoin2. Sorry if seemed it was meant for you.

Lucra is the plural of Lucrum so it actually fits better... Because a community is a plural... Many coins are plural...


LucraFlex

Maybe just Lucra... Short and sweet... Easy to remember...

Cheers,

Ghosty

LucraGen2
Lucra2.0
LucraBeta (Beta is the second of any series... So second gen) Plus we could do a simple modification to our logo and change the D to a B

Even better point. Are we actually emulating Litecoin in any way?

Um. Well. Theirs don't weigh much and ours don't weigh much...

Someone sees where I was going with this....

Imminent
Imminent2.0

Glad I got the ball rolling. Let's just keep brainstorming until we can narrow it down to a few and then maybe we can have a vote on it.

That word does have a nice sound to it.

Ok, that's clear.

New list of my favorites:

• Graphene
• GrapheneCube
• GraphenePlane
• GrapheneMoney
• GrapheneThaler
• GraphenePurse

Well how about DitecoinLark, DiteLarkcoin, or maybe even LarkDitecoin, LarkcoinDite, LarkDite, DiteLark :P

It puts a spin on things and isn't your typical Lite or Dark coin abbreviations :P

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=868354.0

It’s gotta be SuperWhopperTurboDeadly

Now, where’s my prize?

I may be wrong but it doesn't seem any currencies have multisig aside from using a third party. Maybe this could be a feature to consider incorporating into the wallet itself, if it is possible.

Yup, time to deal away with dark. And time to start trend setting.

I will concide with the majority, but I really don't want a name change :)

It is currently in a discussion phase. We are a long way from a majority. But let us see where and how far this will go.

Keep in mind a name change right now is a lot of work... A new logo would need to be made and all the websites and pools would have to be updated... It's going to be a lot of work anyway you slice it... Im not saying a name change is a bad thing in fact I would probably vote for one but right now?? Maybe there are bigger fish to fry before we think about changing the name... We can change the name anytime.

Something to consider...

Cheers,

Ghosty

heh heh. Yeah. Um.

I am slicing up some fish today and getting ready to fry some soon...

Nice... Mmmmmm Fillet-0 FISH

I would like to propose the name Genisys if anyone is still taking suggestions. I think it's a great play on genesis and system. Would go well with 2.0 stuff

Nice idea.

Can anyone expand on what 2.0 actually does to help with an appropriate name change?

Well, 2.0 was actually referring to a modular cryptocurrency where existing features could be implemented without affecting the core blockchain.

You mean new features can be implemented without affecting the core?

If so please give an example.

It means on the fly updates, meaning no mandatory wallet updates are needed so mining & staking (when implemented) can still go ahead as normal while just the internal code is updated.

MiracleCoin Dev done it in the early days when he was around, all was fixed on the fly without needing Wallet updates, though in saying that the built in Arb-Bots needed to have a wallet update for them to be used.

There are other coins working on implementing the modular 2.0 stuff... Worldcoin is very close to completing this and they will have an auto-updating wallet very soon... It can be done and in fact  I think most coins that want to survive will follow or be left behind... So I am hoping we can keep that goal alive in this coin as well!!

Cheers,

Ghosty

I agree totally, in stead of dealing with expressive issues, let's first support and build the technical issues. Namechange is alot of work, maybe when the functions are there to support it, it will be time to give a name change and PR ads campaign, so investor don't just buy into the new name, but new coin in itsell, with all promised functions :)

I like the name Genisys.

then why not
arkseed

and building on XCP like tatiana coin

sir i was good already
but darklight is my next coin

Hope LTCD to get big update to help price rising and stable again.

 ::)

Not sure how useful this will be, but I thought I might drop this here to see how many people I can get thinking about this.

This was the layer diagram I was basing the 2.0 impmentation on.  I have several additional architectural diagrams that I'd be willing to share with the development team when and if our schedules align to allow it and if they are still interested.


Notably missing from this (admittedly old) diagram are the auditing service (read: block explorer, though the two are not quite the same thing) and the dependency between the transaction queue and the ledger service.  Omissions such as these are what have delayed my progress in updating the whitepaper with more correct descriptions of the architecture.

Some information on what you're seeing here:

The client layer describes client applications that help you manage (or generate) funds.  There is the wallet, which facilitates generating new transactions as well as displaying balances allocated to a given private key, as well as a special type of account (where the funds are not directly spendable) that facilitates generating what could be described as PoS blocks, though the moniker is not completely accurate in the case of the component model.  Also contained in the client layer is the "scribe", which performs duties similar to what you would call "mining" or PoW blocks.  The scribe's job is slightly different from a miner, however.  I will not get into the intricacies of how any of the components work, but its basic job is to transcribe a list of transactions along with a valid nonce into a block of a particular structure, format, and set of validating algorithm parameters (defined by the infrastructure layer).

The service directories layer manage the p2p aspects of the system and are responsible for handing data of various formats between the various services that make the network function.  Consider it the business logic of the system as it manages the p2p network, is responsible for concensus, and overall gives precedence to whichever chain it deems valid (based on a set of rules defined within the infrastructure layer.)  It then directs clients to the needed services based on the task that they wish to accomplish (whether it be sending money or transcribing blocks, or even simply auditing the chain).

The backend layer is responsible for maintaining the global list of pending transactions as well as the ledger itself.  Pending transactions with no confirmations (ie. not yet included within a block) are managed by the transaction queue and are eventually given to a scribe to be dealt with accordingly.  Once a given transaction has reached maturity, it is committed to the ledger and removed from the tx queue.  This is where the ledger daemon/server handles the actual storage of the blockchain.

Given this architecture, the requirement for maintaining a copy of the ledger becomes completely optional for a given user.  All wallets are thin clients by default.  A ledger has no ownership of coins and a server containing nothing but a ledger has no risk of having a wallet stolen or compromised.  Proof of work and proof of stake work hand in hand with a scribe to create and generate blocks which can be stored in a variety of formats depending on a particular ledger implementation (provided it follows the protocol specification) and IPC is as viable a communications layer as is RPC. 

With such an architecture, the codebase isn't stored as a large monolithic amalgam of routines and classes to form a complete application.  Instead, each client or service acts independently of all others, and a simple wallet update will not require a restart of a given ledger daemon.  That said, an update of a ledger daemon will not require stopping and restarting a wallet.  Scribes can keep working even with the local ledger (if you choose to run a ledger) offline.  Pools can happen entirely on the p2p network, and at no point are you required to run ALL of the services yourself just to use the currency.

This is about as detailed as I intend to get regarding the 2.0 architecture that I have devised in a public setting until after I have spoken with the development team regarding what they want to do with it (if anything) .  Suffice it to say, it is not a simple task.  It cannot be implemented in a short time frame to any degree of quality, and will almost definitely require that the majority of the codebase be rewritten from scratch.

I hope this has been enlightening for some of the less patient among you.  I am not currently involved with the development team for LTCD, and if they choose to implement my architecture, that decision lies squarely with them (and I assume still the community at large).  But rest assured, impatience and harsh criticisms of the developers will not likely get you there any faster.

The LTCD team has my full support and trust to ensure a bright future for LTCD as a whole.

Thanks Troll. It looks interesting!

it seems promising
 a brilliant ray , trolloffire
i wanted to discuss with some of my own
ideas some time with you.

Thank you.

For everyone else:

Out of respect for the developers, as my work on 2.0 architecture is no longer directly related to LTCD, I would request that further discussion regarding the tech be handled elsewhere other than this thread as my architecture may or may not be used in the development of LTCD pending review and discussion by the development team.  If you have questions about the design or architecture that I am proposing, they should be addressed toward me and in PM.  

This is subject to change depending on any decisions made by the LTCD team in the future.

Good luck, everyone.

what did you now ?  joking 8) these things happen, still a holder and seeing new engineering talent around and adventure continues, you got my support and God speed

one advice maybe and looking around various top teams I am scrutinizing constant. seriously don't rush, even under community pressure, take time develop features test them proper and have fun in the process, and community! suspend greed instincts once in a while  8)

..hello litecoindark community..
..i am nicholas from the land of aus..
..just a quick post to firstly say hello..i love this coin n have no interest in selling any of my coins..
..i value integrity n honesty n our beloved dev's are truly salt of the earth..
..be patient with them..their's is a gift of love n kindness..let's do our best to remain positive n jovial..
..no judgement..i am still a noob n in my first months i have engaged in trolling n negative speech n regret it..always remember that if we truly wish our community - our family - to grow wider n deeper we must represent ourselves positively n respectfully so new visitors who read our thread feel an attraction n kind affiliation with us..
..this is not to say that we can not disagree n debate n push each other intellectually..no no..it's just a level of restraint is always required..we are human..we sometimes wear our grumpy pants..n in times like these i suggest we vent through private messages to each other rather than public posts..
..also..if possible..let's make sure we keep each page of our thread rolling with interesting n intellectually stimulating conversation so visitors know we are not only a friendly family, but a creative one, seeking to push ahead into wider waters of usefulness..
..much love..
nicholas

ps. i am not a coder..but i do have skills in empathy, patience n encouragement..i would like to play n active role in this community in anyway you need, so if you have any specific tasks, please pm me n i will do my best

..also in my humble opinion i think we should remain as litecoindark..
..it is a good name..
..if i were to create from scratch, i would pick something else, however litecoin has credibility, darkcoin as well, bitcoindark is booming, litecoindark for better or worse is actually quite a special name..
..the darkcoin community debated long n hard about a name change, n they were wise to keep it..yes, i think 'dark' is not the wisest choice for anonymity, however, it is what it is, n from what i can see, most coins that either rebrand, relaunch, or change too much cut off their nose to spite their face..
..sometimes, the best course of action is to do nothing, especially if there is a possibility that making change will be negative..
..also..
..most coins that discuss name changes n logo competitions etc on threads die very quickly..
..i think the original logo was cheesy, but the current logo is fantastic..
..so, just an idea, but how about for the next week or two whilst the dev's are organizing the direction, we try to discuss n debate the direction n function of the coin, ways to grow n promote n communicate n all the various obstacles in front of us..
nxo

Maybe you should rebrand the Coin and change the name to "LightCoinDark" and get a Cool Ying/Yang type logo geared to the balance of life and the evolution of the technology in the financial industry. I think POW is bad from a price point of view, POW miners need to pay bills and so will sell most coins. I think the best option would be to go into POS or atleast a hybrid before going into the 2.0 structure and then adapt it as you need from there. If you have a POS only coin, you get very little selling pressure and may infact even suffer from lack of volume because everyone is Staking their Coins and nothing is on the exchanges.

Personally I prefer Proof of Stake only Coins and they do much better over time and during times of full downtrend it won't do as bad, Coin holders can be much more generous as well. LiteCoinDark and ReddCoin are both based off of LiteCoin, couldn't you just adapt POSV as the preferred method of inflation?

Funny you say that cause if you look at the header logo for the Reddit site it's a Ying/Yang symbol!! : ) My friend made that at my suggestion...


http://www.reddit.com/r/Litecoindark/


Cheers,

Ghosty

Again for those us not technically aware of 2.0's main attritubes despite a nice flow chart, what are LTCD's BEST features that define it more than other coins.

If it's speed then something like Turbocoin

If it's stealth then Dark in the name is warrented.

Some combination of speed and stealth, then both of them....Etc etc

I still believe that having "Dark" in the name is just asking for the wrong kind of attention and will lead to trouble. Some other word to substitute instead of "Dark" would be wise, in my own opinion.

I agree so its neither stealthy or dark. And its not Litecoin either.

So we have a modular design (if 2.0 is implemented) with some speed involved. Any other attributes worth throwing in to help inspire a relevant name?

Expense paid out

285c6b14e2c82d68ea49bb9eb009866ee774c2cc11f7a26fe6c20ea38f04ced3
First Payment for Coding - job ltcd-12-04-2014-01
0.5 BTC

Nice... Progress..... But you never posted how much? But then again we all can go the the explorer and check for ourselves. KEEP UP THE GREAT FANTASTIC WORK GUYS!!! Let's make X-mas come EARLY!

Ooops. Fixed it.

0.5 BTC was sent.

I disagree with this, you can have Dark as part of the name and you only bring about the wrong attention when you do things you shouldn't do. Has anyone scooped up DarkMatter? That would be an awesome name!

Wrong. If I send my grandma 1 LTCD for Christmas, the NSA will be sniffing all over it, just because "DARK" is part of the coin name. Doesn't matter what the purpose of the transfer is. All coins with "DARK" in the name are being monitored for all transactions. TOR doesn't hide from them.

The following links take are basic articles that vaguely touch on the subject. I won't post anything better because I don't want any of us to be directly connected to such information. Use these as a starting point to learn what's what. Dig deeper on your own initiative but do not post links for the 'good stuff' in this topic. They will be deleted.

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/nsa-and-gchq-agents-leak-tor-bugs-alleges-developer.2121/
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-28886462
http://blog.anonymousbitcoinbook.com/

I wonder how many they can monitor especially with so many others coming out.

They already monitor all electronic communications of all types. Phones, xbox chats, email everywhere, walkie talkies, cell phones, VoIP, etc etc. You don't need to wonder anymore. All of it and the capacity to monitor anything new that might come along, and have the reserve capacity already in place for the next few years.

Totally agree, after that we can allways think about a namechange, ones we have something to show!

Ok so then just look into more anonymity, I just don't see how it should matter since the government doesn't go out of its way to stifle innovation when it's so public. There is nothing that can stop a person from owning coins and it's not like likecoindark is building nukes.

Changing the name later means a new wallet etc etc. Changing it in combination with other changes would cost less if the changes were all rolled into ONE update. Suppose we have a new wallet coded to add a feature, the coding costs. Then we decide to change the name later, the coding costs again.

Simply put, I don't want the mutherfuckin NSA knowing what I give my granny for christmas. Sure, no harm, but shit man it is none of their damned business.

You might not care. I do.

Their computing power is way better at penetrating any anonymity, if they really want to do so. The computers we use to encrypt are puny in comparison. The primary issue is - don't look suspicious and we reduce their level of curiousity. Paint "Free Candy" on the side of a church bus, and it just looks bad and people WILL look.

"DARK" is a keyword that triggers the NSA automated system to increase the scrutiny of the contents of transactions. You can thank Silk Road and Silk Road 2 for that.

If we don't look like trouble, we stand a better chance of being ignored.

ok vic when you have a list of names for the coin can be made a poll with name for voting ?

my name idea :
Coriolis

natural

universal

Superseed

this one is to catch

searched with google:
name and bitcointalk
no coin found
the name are not used

for some fans
it even might be xadoom

Indeed. Let's give it a postive name. Something catchy where people think good things when they see the name.

RIPS  (Rapid Internet Payment System)?

Rip Speed trade name?

Well done on a responsible professional job.

If only the previous Dev did things like this. Speaking of which has LitecoinDark revealed his pre-mine spendings yet?

Try to read my post. I want to know what he has already used the pre-mine for so we can focus on what else needs to be done!

Although now you bring it up - "even if he did" sell 80% and ran as you say, I would be very annoyed. No-one has the right to do that just because they invested 20 BTC!!

That's his investment to make and no-one else should pay for it, especially when other people invested their own money on the promise of pre-mine funded development.

Having said that, LitecoinDark may have simply used the 80% for that purpose (development only). He is just very poor at coming forward with a list of things spent on which doesn't help people understand. Perhaps he has informed the new Devs already on that spending, and we just need to be told.

Nevermind, that was a nice answer. I remember there were bounties for the video and other prizes, and I had no idea Troll was a paid coder which would explain it all.

Some confirmation would be nice though. I would be surprised if he ran off with anything myself, but I hate to be fooled.

As a change of topic back to the positive what did you think of my latest name change?

I don't want to delete the entire post you are referring to at this time. I would prefer if travis were to edit it himself and state his opinion more mildly.

I do prefer to look forward and put speculation behind us. For this reason, I will currently continue to avoid addressing a particular subject due to my belief that it has no meaningful relevance at this time.

@travis,

please consider making an edit to your post, otherwise I am inclined to delete it (nothing personal against you).

@Hamuki,

please take a look at how I structured the comment I was quoting. If you would, please go back to your post and adjust the quote similar to how I did it. Otherwise, I would have to delete your post, if I end up deleting travis's post.

I was referring to the new name for the coin. I came up with RIPS (Rapid Internet Payment System) or Rip Speed as a trade name.

Wouldn't that be a break in the right direction considering there are 100's of non-descript coins out there now?

I think we need to aim for regular commercial use to keep the coin alive. Price trading alone will never work.

Well aiming at stores is a bit pie in the sky.

I was thinking about taking the gambling market by storm where they would be happy to speculate on a moveable crypto currency price. (If they choose to convert their winnings into LTCD, RIPS or whatever).

That is so true, I don't really want the NSA poking around in the granny's underwear drawer either, what about the name "CandyCoin" then, it has a nice ring to it.

You could give out free candy to everyone! and you could name the units snickerdoodles, or gobsmackers, or gummiworms

Or we could change the name to SeriousButInnocent coin, and set the joking aside.

With the current block chain technology how quickly could a prospective gambler receive payment in LTCD and then use it immediately after on another game or bet?

Bearing in mind converting the cash win into LTCD first then sending it to their gambling wallet, and then converting back into casino chips or whatever.

What unique feature can be built into the LTCD code to make it better, faster, and more useable than any other coin?

swift tech is as fast as it can but there are other option for fast and instant payment
to be used in LTCD as zero tech
is being developed by gnosis for ano

Does anyone else think this is a good direction to go into? What other features might be added that makes our coin desirable to use, not just trade?

i think adding a trading app in the wallet would be the best option
for now , and after can be made use of LTCD making an increase
value from any kind of apps .
i mean if you have 1000 LTCd in the wallet you can use programs
made only for LTCD this is a real use and storing value, like startcoin is doing ,
they make their coin value 3000 sat with the project www.startjoin.com
and i think LTCD the project can be made more known throught their platform
it's free and can make big donation for the LTCD project effortlessly.

Strictly opinion here, but even though I am no longer a part of the dev team, I'd still like to consider myself a part of the community.

I don't believe adding extraneous features (bloat) to the core client (wallet) is going to add any real value to the coin or the codebase in the long run.  I'm still of the opinion that an application should do one thing and do it well instead of cramming a thousand plus features that become nearly impossible to maintain.  I feel that if trading is integrated, it should be done as a feature of the platform and not specifically the wallet.

This is something that could (and probably should) be implemented as a module.  In my less-than-humble opinion, the main problem with the software as it is now is that it tries to do too much and is very disorganized in its structure and control flow (not inherently LTCD's fault, this is an artifact of bitcoin core).  

Essentially my opinion can be summed up by this metaphor: before you build a new room, you should first clean the rest of the house.  You'd be surprised how much space you already have.

Wallets are now live on the website!!!!

I've made some changes as well.

Hi,

If you guys need a MAC wallet to be compiled, then just send me an PM...I will compile it.

That sounds very helpful. I hope Vic Velcro catches your message here later on.

If you are referring to me or to aleckloss - we have agreed to avoid posting anything that is not definite or is not complete. We will not commit to any exact deadline announcements because sometimes things don't go as planned.

We will make announcements when we HAVE IN HAND something to announce.

I'm pretty sure you'd rather hear about what has BEEN DONE when it IS DONE than hear plans or promises that might get delayed due to unforeseen circumstances not within our control.

Troll is a community member. Any information he HAD before would only relate to the prior team and are therefore HISTORY. Nothing would apply to current LTCD or the current team.

Yep, agree. I'll take a backseat for a while as I think I'm over-doing it here and not really helping much. Time to watch what other people can bring.

It doesn't look like you will have to wait much longer to get a small breath of fresh air. I've been scarce for the past couple of days, and there's a reason for it.

nice "lift" there on the exchange Today, and thanks for picking this up and keep on going

I know it is an old news but Block Reward at 0.5 is just awesome, did not follow what happened, a bit strange if you ask me for I thought team back then was going really strong (skilled in C++ and enthusiastic) but such is life.. will revisit later, holdings are untouched

Quite welcome.

well done, now we can remain on topic :-[

I just got a PM from one of the community members. Says he's going to organize a dump of about 6 million. Get ready to buy it cheap!

Then I will tell you all who it was.

-edit-
He only has 156k himself and claims to be TELLING other people to dump the rest. Cuz he's boss.

Anyhow, I only see 10k sold so far. 5,990,000 still to go. Cuz he's boss.

-edit-
almost an hour later, 40k. Slowest dump I've ever seen.
5,960,000 still to go...

There's the one who is threatening to dump 6 million.

Butthurt because I won't let him post his pump and dump announcement. Which makes me a scam dev, apparently.

No, but thank you for the offer.

On that note...

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You have been asked to leave and stay gone more than once.

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Thank you. I appreciate you confirming that.

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I've deleted more of your posts than I want to.

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Over the span of 9 hours - price on Cryptsy only fell 5 satoshis and on Bittrex it only fell 8 satoshis.

That is the benefit of deleting Pump and Dump posts in this topic. The attempt to stir up a FUD storm and cause panic was a failure.

It doesn't work when they do it outside a coin's main channel for communication. Twitter and their own topics are useless because they can't get to their target audience - they obviously don't profit by pumping and dumping into each other.

Thanks to each of you for not posting during that time and for not feeding the trolls.

Back to our regular routine...

Thank you for your work ... I just bought 80K again ... and will securely hold long

just keep on target, developing having fun in the process, crypto is not a war although some think it is  8)

and make my 40K proud please it is when reward was 4,000 I think I don't remember now now is what 1 coin ? it is great supply/demand , just keep on adding stuff and updating this thread even if once a week but consistent! if you do that price will rise and next year it will rise even more because something is telling me smart money has been accumulating on low both price and difficulty (if mining)

quickly checking bittrex.. let's see not that it matters , intra day that is software updates matter..

good! not 1 satoshi ... kidding kidding... so yeah stay on target as if nothing is happening keep on updating "core" wallet polishing it to perfection , speak soon

a! one more thing for I almost have forgotten,  there is a known strategy known as exchange arbitrage by bots, since there is a price difference between cryptsy and bittrex LTCD is very likely victim of an arbitrage so that depresses the price, many coins are affected but since this is "just" traders game for now we hope it will unroll to something useful crypto in general that is like commerce.. otherwise sure it is all abstract and sure people lose and gain money like a big game.. it is fun though.. but I hope for real use one day, see what happens

aaaaand one more thing.. if you stay on target and sharpen skills (you probably have them) but infrastructure maybe some innovation in some specific sector, look at BTCD (not pushing this coin dont like to cross post few exception) in some ways concepts of LTCD are similar, BTCD is now core part of the Supernet and that gets people excited

so that's that

I guess to balance Vic out I'll have to be the compassionate one around here ;).


Hi All,

Popping back in to give you an update. I have very large backend coding updates that will make the site less vunerable to attack. I have also streamlined parts of the code ot make edits easier within my CMS system.

Keep in mind that I just purchased the program in full, just look up how much adobe costs me per month to use. I would like this to be my token of good faith towards the community. Vic and I trudge through the FUD in different ways, but we are still here for the long haul.

We can't do much about the price, especially in the short term. We apologize for that but it is the unfortunate reality. Development continues and I'm sure you will be pleased when progress has been made clear. Stay tuned all!

Price will come, when we have something to show ;D People worried about price is understandable, but not the reason to be in it :)

I'd say this is accurate. Somebody has to do it...  ;D



This is accurate, too.



But we are trying and will continue to do so.



This is accurate.

Such a shame to seen all this upheaval in the community. Its a shame I was really rooting for LTCD from the sidelines. I really do hope that the new devs bring proper innovation back into LTCD to that others perceive its proper value.

There have been and still will be some bumps in the road ahead. It's normal.

Still going to continue moving forward. Nothing has changed in that regard.

Alec and I have been working on different ends for the past several days. When we update each other on our individual progress, we will collectively prepare an update and post it.

I don't speak much on these matters but it is refreshing that this happens.

I know that this is a a challenge for all but some people old or new investors might be turned off by the tone in this thread.

Speaking for myself, I know I am. Doesn't feel like the community that started off. With the old thread no locked and this one moderated doesn't feel like the voices are being heard like in the past. Everyone might not always agree but from the dev point you are the face and voice of this coin and the voice sounds like take it or leave it, this is my thing and I'll do it my way wether you like it or not.

I'm not a big holder but I still hold. Been here since the beginning.

I respect your opinion. I'm fine with anyone feeling as you do.

I will not change the direction of LTCD based on who cries the loudest. I will not participate in LTCD becoming a scam coin.

That may or may not apply to what you have in mind, I can't speculate on that.

The recent exodus has been due to me telling the P&D creeps to post their crap in their own topics and not in ours. That's all. They can do as they like, just not here. Simple enough. We have our topic and they can stay out of this one. They can have theirs and I (probably others too) will stay out of that one.

Can we get a mac wallet

Probably. Working on solving that very issue already.

There have been several people who have contacted me with offers to make one. First thing I do with each offer is - I consider what possible motive somebody might have. What is the probability that somebody wants to sneak some malicious code into such a wallet? Then, I look into the experience of each person, as much as I possibly can.

Then, I consider what features are in the future for LTCD and ask myself which of those people will be around later to keep a MAC wallet up-to-date.

It's more than just having some stranger whip together something quick and dirty that will likely be obsolete within a week.

Also note that user-submitted binaries can't be inspected by the dev team to ensure they match the code in the repo... anything could be compiled in there, and without a disassembler and a lot of time/experience in that field on your hands...

That's why I always tested, checksummed, and signed the checksums on my builds (with the private key that matches the pub key in the repo).  And my lack of a working recent mac is why a mac build was never published.

Then you should keep doing it! :P

I truly hope this works out, I really do

Be specific.

Exactly    WHAT   do you really hope works out?

It would help us decide where to put more focus if we have some input on what the community is looking forward to most.

I wanted bitcoinbelieve to post what he/she meant by and with his/her own words. The post he/she quoted included several things. bitcoinbelieve was not specific about WHICH of those things mattered to him/her. I don't want somebody else to answer for him/her.

As far as your words go, Furio - we're already on top of those things that you specifically mentioned. Those have been carried over from the issues that were unresolved by the previous team. It has already been addressed in the forum by the new team.

Stay tuned.

There is no point of having a discussion with you. This will be last time that I will ever post here. Good bye.

You didn't really have anything particular on your mind to begin with, did you?

..hi ltcd family..
..'hamuki' just sent me a pm spam..
..he has no interest in helping/growing/benefiting this coin, only to fud n bring kaos..
..i suggest you ignore him/her n report any inappropriate pm's..
..much love..
nxo

Someone is trying really hard to jack the price up. lol

Off topic.

But yes, we all noticed somebody appears to be trying to make a trap.

What do you mean by that? And how is this off topic? I'm talking about LTCD.  ::)

He wants no discussion at all in this thread unless it involves the technology part of the coin. If you want any other discussions you must start your own thread.

Yeah, all beware there seems to be a pump at the moment.

Correct. Mostly.

Discussion of the technology or the development thereof is welcome.

Price talk and trading belongs in trollboxes someplace else.

What does the community think of encrypted voip connections via the wallet client?

good but i see it's hard to obtain
and not useful if not encrypted
there are tree project on it for now.
it seem a good idea obviously.

(very) minor bagholder here

new name could be cool

just get something catchy & "heard-it-before" feeling, (doesn't matter in what context e.g. my example below, terrible album but has a ring to it)

then it's good to go on a mobile wallet:

e.g. KishKash, or Spondulix

then you can rename, release mobile wallet, swamp Twitter with re-release news, pump price up & I can dump & get out of here....

...and if it's REALLY successful & survives as a genuinely used currency, you can all laugh at me for being a weakhand

just being honest about what I'd like to see...

You can dump and get out of here without waiting for any of the things you mentioned.

Putting time, effort, and money into features you request solely for short term benefit to YOU is of no interest to me.
If you aren't planning to stick around, it would be pointless for us to kiss your ass.

I am more focused on benefits to the people who have been AND want to be here longer.

Just being honest about what *I* would like to see.

I keep seeing really bad name suggestions, like god awful.

It's making me like the LTCD name more and more.

Do you have any good ones?

Forget the Mac wallet. I'm out. Sold the last of my original 550k stash. I think I'm done with alts for awhile.

I intend to provide a MAC wallet to the other people that might want one.

I told you I have your information saved and did not delete the PMs you've sent.

I'm still deciding if you will be an acceptible candidate.

A Mac wallet will benefit the community, otherwise we aren't being very community friendly.... We are shunning then the Mac community, this is a a very good product to have ALL the time. Just as the Linux and Windows wallets.

Cheers!
Raven

Let him make it, why not exactly? What are you deciding over? His resume ;)

Yes, his history. Also, against other candidates.

The idea is not to pick the fastest person to code a MAC wallet that will be invalid within days. It needs to be compiled to include what is currently being worked on.

Why you mad bro? What was I going to find out?

Offering a hand isn't spamming my PMs and then begging in public.

Thanks anyway.

Actually, you are correct. I had you mixed up with 2 other devs who have spammed my PM in regard to MAC wallets.

My apology.

Still don't understand why you got upset about me checking creds of the people on my list to be considered.

No, I'm not high on something.

Again, thanks for the original offer.

I don't appreciate the hostility and rudeness, though. Keep it up and you'll get some back.

I'm usually quiet, but this is getting insane. Why not let mdtspain write the Mac wallet, have TrollByFire "proofread" it, then release to the general public? If changes are made in a few days, it might be best to wait the couple days before doing any work that will be obsolete. At the same time, why not let the Mac users have a wallet at least until there is a new one to be written? This seems like common sense, but has turned into a fustercluck.

You forgot to mention I admitted my mistaking you for somebody else and then apologized.

You forgot to admit that YOU came across as a jerk before I did.

I don't know about you or any of your coins. Never heard of any of them until earlier today. Yet, you have a problem with me checking your creds and looking out for possible bad-deed-doing....

See ya.

@JCJr222,

Yep. FusterCluck is a good way to describe it all. Too many people with good suggestions and good offers that by luck just conflict. Sorting it all out while at the same time trying to get BACK ON THE ORIGINAL TRACK is more work than some people might think.

MDTSpain can write a MAC wallet for free. It won't be considered official. If it steals peoples' coins, he will be to blame as well as anyone who takes a potential loss can blame themselves for using an untrusted wallet.

Forget about changes that would render it useless. Make it, use it, and get used to it for a short time. Then everyone can post pissed-off messages in here that the MAC wallet is broken and I will delete the posts with instructions for concerned parties to start a separate topic to flame the unofficial MAC wallet creator.

For me, this is the end of the subject until *I* have an official MAC wallet to post.

To everyone else - Make a new topic about the unofficial potential MAC wallet and talk to dude over there.

awesome, in the past I have never succeeded making Mac wallet for LTCD, if you have a process (Maverick) like what mac ports should be used and gcc (or clang) here is where gets tricky with clang,. please post it, very valuable in general

let me check exchanges quick.. for LTCD holding steady at 228.. cool..  you are funny bunch you use forum to "fight" each other instead of posting incremental updates.. Mac wallet is one of them.. I am sure there are other incremental improvements

 8)

you won't be able to buy a house or a car or even a computer with that sell and the moment I am saying, it is not worth to sell but rather keep supporting crypto movement in general for it is not going anywhere, one of the key things with LTCD is its name and abbreviation, it will mean a great deal in the future mark my words

have a great week ahead all

Yep. That's us. Fight a bit about some things. Then calm down. Then get back to work.

Friends and family can be strange sometimes.

So since this new LTCD thread was started, what innovations & development have been discussed ?

I'm still waiting on PoS to be implemented... any word on that yet ?

You can see the discussion starting from the beginning of the topic.

Word on PoS is that the work is in progress. I had hoped to see it finished and wallets available today, but I can't say for sure that it will be done as anticipated.

The good thing about all this genuine discussion is how it shows that people are serious about this coin. There are still plenty of investors here alongside some hardworking Devs.

If you look at some other alt coin forums all you see is junk and jibes. Here we still have life.

yes here is a good place , there are other chat less forgiving ,
but the place is surely better than before .
Vic MDTspain is a PR/dev working with griffith , i know no need to rush for new wallets,
but i talked with griffith with skype, last time, probably you remember my last PM
to you was regarding their platform or maybe there is another in the making.

Yes, I recall your PM about that. You never mentioned MDTspain by name, so I had no idea who this person was. Now I do.

So, @MDTspain, now I know who you are directly from one of our community members.

Guys, so right now we are waiting for a new version of the purse LitecoinDark-v1.2.3?

Yes. When it is finished, reviewed, and tested, a new wallet update will be released. An announcement will be made indicating specifically what changes have been made.

and then how to update the wallet. per block will recover from 200 ltcd?


sorry for my english

When the new wallet is released, instructions will be posted.

The price per LTCD on the markets may or may not change. The wallet software has nothing to do with exchange price. Buyers and sellers dictate the price.

Thanks for the reply
and what has caused a fall from 200 to 16 ltcd per block?

LTCD is not at 16.

Discussion about the price on exchanges is off topic. Make a new topic for price and trading discussion.

Do not post about price or exchanges in here again, please.

You have not correctly understood, and mean that the award of the block fell from 200 to 16, instead of 100,50,25 etc.

I see what you are asking. You are right, I did misread what you posted. My apology.

The block reward is currently 0.5 LTCD 0.13 LTCD per block. That is due to block reward halving. There was a correction to the block rewards that was made some time ago. That correction reduced the block reward value and shortened the length of time for block reward halving.

perfect, keep working on the technology and let the blockchain continue uninterrupted as is

I can no longer maintain the LiteCoinDark dice site, if anyone want to buy it please PM me your offer, there is about 4344 LTCD in wallet

Let me help you get some attention on that.

lol, thanks, didn't want to get that much attention :)

can anyone tell me how this coin is handling... the progress ?

Please can we get an update?

Sure thing.

He's still making his list. Then he'll have to check it twice, to find out who's been naughty and who's been nice.

But it's cool, most of us can relax.

Santa Claus is coming to town.

Seriously, though.

Everyone have a safe and happy holiday, however you choose to observe it.

Here's an answer,

We are moving along nicely. But we have families and will be gone the next two days or so enjoying time with them.

Yep. Because it was your first post in our topic. You are a nobody in here and show up trying to pick a fight. I deleted your same post 3 times now.

You don't give orders or make demands around here.

Take the hint, I am not avoiding the question, I am evicting you. Anybody else can ask nicely and I'd answer. You specifically ask like a dick because you think it serves your purpose on twitter.

Per the rules of this forum, CUTTY - I now inform you your presence in this topic is unwanted and unwelcome. Please leave and do not return. Failure to comply is a bannable offense.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=876509.msg9782706#msg9782706

Since LTCD was officially handed over on November 24, 2014 (a legal holiday where I am so not official here until the 28th) - pretty much the most effort has been put toward getting the internal administration back in order. After that, (for the most recent 10 days) time has been spent considering what to do about coding and development.

Christmas is right around the corner and then New Years just a week after that.

FUD fucking trolls have been trying to dance the electric boogaloo in the topic. They make out as if we're all robots that don't have families or observe holidays. But in truth they know that we do and they were hoping to sling their shit all over the walls and ceiling in here while they hoped we wouldn't be here to notice. Also, their purpose is to scare you all out of your Christmas money.

I'm not going have that happen here.

As of this post, the topic will be locked until after the New Year.

Happy Holidays. Go be with friends and family. Party and have a great time.

A while back, there was some debate about changing the coin name. Some were in favor and some were opposed.

Because the name was never changed and due to https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/josh-garza-gaw-miners-paycoin-challenges-litecoin-association-director-public-debate/

...we got delisted from coin-swap by mistake.

I wouldn't be surprised if it happens elsewhere. It might not be a bad idea to withdraw your coins from exchanges into a local wallet for a while.

Nothing new to post yet.