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Hi DiamondCardz

first u have a great name  ???

because im part of DMD Diamond Foundation  ;D

but the reason i contact u is i seek someone from trustlist level who add people who gave me a positiverating to his trusted list

this way they end on beeing used by default list and their rating for me is visible for default setting users

check my posts u will see im a serious longterm member

if u can help me please add

popshot
hallared
pokeytex
TheMightyKnight
chilo
Sampey
cryptonit
danbi
Historical

to ur trust list
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust

if i can give u anything for ur helping hand to make my positive rating visible just tell me mate

thx for ur help in advance

br

cryponit

btw check out my linkedin and twitter if u need more info
https://twitter.com/CryptonitDMD
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/helmut-siedl/92/460/586

That's...a tad bit suspicious. Asking me to add all the people who gave him positive trust to DefaultTrust (not that I really can anyway).

Obvious scammer is obvious.
Do not do it.

really this trust system is broken
people who make business with u and reward u positive trust are invisible
people who did never deal with u can make visible negative feedback

if i can give u anything for ur helping hand to make my positive rating visible just tell me mate

Are those accounts owned by him, or are they other developers ?

Requesting a mass add to the Default list along with the above message is seen as attempting to purchase an add to the Default Trust list. In short: Buying Trust. This will be given a negative every time and if you need an explanation of why, it only solidifies Vod's reasoning was sound.

its all real users investors in DMD CLoudmining

it want even my idea to work on our trust rating
a comiunity member asked that people should give me a positive rating

and we did know nothing about this flawed trust system so we read and we found explaination

to be visible a guy with at least level2 on default trust list must have people on his own trusted list then their ratings are visible

and no im target of holly inquisition?
http://cutecaptions.com/images/playing/dont-shoot-dont-shoot-im-innocent.jpg

You have been around long enough to know what you were attempting was wrong, why you chose to PM the offer instead of making a thread. Jumping on the "Flawed Trust System" excuse is just as bad.

its the user who is wrong never the system correct?
its like a mirracle to find out how this trust system works and when we try get good intended use of it
(make real people positive ratings visible) we are evil?

a single guy can damage so much who didnt spend a minuted to research

and there is no way to counter that

where are the times when people did act friendly to each other?

why no one said to me "cryptonit the way u think it work is wrong"
and point me to the correct way it works

why no one said to me "cryptonit the way u think it work is wrong"
and point me to the correct way it works

I would suggest this:
Make a public thread, apologize for your mistake and once this is done, ask vod to reconsider.
Remember there are no guarantees he will but worth a shot.

2 days before i contacted diamondcardz

i wrote a PM to the trustsystem inventor (at least i think he is)

its not like i didnt try follow a way by contact the moderators/admins

but they didnt reply

i always asked for them same as with diamondcardz to check me out if i am trustworthy in their opinion

i never asked for being blind classified as trustworthy

http://i59.tinypic.com/24c6yhk.png

But my feedback is not visible

Positive feedback points are invisible

if i can give u anything for ur helping hand to make my positive rating visible just tell me mate

i didnt want to pay him

Hopefully, when the new forum layout comes, low level feedback will be immediately visible on our profiles, not hidden as it is now.  

Hopefully, when the new forum layout comes, low level feedback will be immediately visible on our profiles, not hidden as it is now. 

Why do people keep saying this? It's not so, I can see the trust that has been left for you.
If I was going to deal with you, I look at all your trust, not just what it says over there

Requesting a mass add to the Default list along with the above message is seen as attempting to purchase an add to the Default Trust list. In short: Buying Trust. This will be given a negative every time and if you need an explanation of why, it only solidifies Vod's reasoning was sound.

lol im with this forums since nearly a year and i dont know how this system works

i see red written careful scammer
or green written points that looks like this dude is ok

i never did open that trust page before some community member asked me make the positive feedback i got visible

and i expect 95% of community act the same way
so for them my positive feedback is invisible
and im marked as a
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!
because of the opinion of one single person
who did never interact with me

tell me how that isnt flawed and damage my visible reputation

Unfortunately your comment is ignorant and and uninformed. If you bothered to check the history of how we ( dmd community) or even asked any involved, you would see we have been trying to discover how the trust sytem works and why cryptonit had a zero rating. For myself he is the only person in all crypto who I can truthfully trust. This probably is the same for the others involved.
Please assist our community and your forum by working to undo this unjust decision and its aftermath.
Kind Regards
chilo

My opinion :


I think we need a decentralized trust sistem (I mean in the new forum software) , I know it will be difficult to do but this is the solution.  If you don't trade for 3 months you lose  your status of defaultTrust "user" ( If is it not right , propose something better). Thanks for the attention ;).

Unfortunately your comment is ignorant and and uninformed.....

its a matter of lost face

That's your opinion but I see things a bit differently. You can trust him but from his attempt to purchase Trust for you all, I do not. It does NOT matter what good he has done in your little world in this little world he screwed up and was labeled for it. Really funny how you decry injustice for his wrong actions, the system is broken and it really doesn't matter yet you want the broken system, that means nothing, label to be removed. I see.

Hi KWH
I see you and others do great work keeping a lid on real scammers.
I guess the reason we feel hardly done by is because cryptonit does not fall in this category. I see the wording of some of the correspondence could lead to misunderstanding and perhaps should have been made on an open thread. However it should not result in cryptonits reputation (and by association all users of the DMD thread) being so heavily besmirched. The reasoning for his negative rating may be factually correct, but does not reflect his intentions or honourable service.
 The last 4-5 pages on our thread show how we come to this unfortunate outcome. I initiated the discussion regarding trust, and attempts were made to understand the trust system. Information regarding this is difficult to find.
Please assist us in correcting this misunderstanding.
Regards
chilo

Hi KWH
I see you and others do great work keeping a lid on real scammers.
I guess the reason we feel hardly done by is because cryptonit does not fall in this category. I see the wording of some of the correspondence could lead to misunderstanding and perhaps should have been made on an open thread. However it should not result in cryptonits reputation (and by association all users of the DMD thread) being so heavily besmirched. The reasoning for his negative rating may be factually correct, but does not reflect his intentions or honourable service.
 The last 4-5 pages on our thread show how we come to this unfortunate outcome. I initiated the discussion regarding trust, and attempts were made to understand the trust system. Information regarding this is difficult to find.
Please assist us in correcting this misunderstanding.
Regards
chilo

You are on default trust, you can negative trust him for trying to solicit/buy trust

Updated Nov 25

I am selling my Hero, senior member accounts, full member, and jr member accounts.

One of my hero accounts is on default trust, my asking price for this one is 3.5 BTC. My other hero accounts can be purchased for 2.3 BTC.

Starting at .44 BTC for senior accounts (several available).

Jr member (20+ available) accounts start at .04 BTC and Full Member (12+ available) accounts start at .16 BTC

Most prices can be discussed/negotiated.

Escrow is accepted. You cannot know the username prior to payment.

PM me with offers.

I've already replied with a suggestion but the cryponit doesn't want to do that. I have assisted all I can.

i had not a single interaction with vad
he read this thread and branded me
without exchange a word without post here without reply to my PM

what do u expect from me

You offered to pay me for, essentially, positive trust. Now all the people involved in DMD are coming to try and create warfare over a trust-related issue. No-one cares if you had deals with him or trust him - that doesn't take away from the situation.

That's not how it works. You do not "apply" for someone's trust - someone will leave you positive trust if they deem you trustworthy, but you don't request it.

The ignorance is real here. That's kind of a ridiculous PM, especially to theymos of all people. cryptonit seems very unaccustomed to this type of community.

That's not how it works. You do not "apply" for someone's trust - someone will leave you positive trust if they deem you trustworthy, but you don't request it.

The ignorance is real here. That's kind of a ridiculous PM, especially to theymos of all people. cryptonit seems very unaccustomed to this type of community.

Hi people
Just for clarification, and to answer the question that began all of this, could someone please explain the way the trust system works? How is it that someone who has been here for months or years, made many hundreds of posts and hosted numerous trust-based activities can have a trust of zero? And how does one, after establishing the above attributes, go about raising their trust score without generating the flaming we have seen here?
A comprehensive answer would be most appreciated.
Regards
chilo

Marketplace trust (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211858.msg2221664#msg2221664)

If you're still confused, you can always search for threads where this question has been answered before (https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=-psyapi2&rlz=1C1BLWB_enUS512US512&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8&q=site%3Abitcointalk.org%20how%20does%20trust%20work).

I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.
I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them;
if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.
Robert A. Heinlein

Cryptonit, after having read your latest negative rating, and its insular self-righteous motivation, made by an autocratic default trustlist member, I have changed my mind regarding Diamond not leaving bitcointalk.

The bitcointalk’s hierarchal structure seems more like the worst dictatorship. This doesn’t go hand in hand with the freedom of cryptocurrency and its good intentions.
This is no place for a serious coin like Diamond, which has a goal to reach people outside the cryptoworld and go mainstream. No person used to democracy and freedom of speech will accept an environment like this, where you can discredit a person with whatever you want just because you don’t like how that person is asking you questions or because you don’t think the person’s actions is cool. And where you are able to arbitrarily besmirch anyone just because you are hiding behind an account added to the default trustlist. So I agree with the earlier suggestion of moving to DMD forum at bit.diamonds.

Regarding language misinterpretations, I think that a forum should be open for everybody. It shouldn’t matter if english is your native language or not, DMD should be for all people regardless of nationality. So Cryptonit, if you step back for language reasons I think it’s wrong. You are very helpful and if somebody don’t understand your answers they can always ask again. That being said I do understand if you need time for other tasks. My trust in you is unchanged.

Wow - I have been down for a couple days (machine debacle) but am coming back to see all of these trust issues.  I think this is hilarious to say the least.  Cryptonit is so trustworthy.  He sends his full name, address, and contact info with a contract for purchasing shares.  If someone were untrustworthy I doubt they would divulge that much information.  In addition I have been speaking with Cryptonit and have purchased Diamond shares without a second thought of whether I could trust him or not.  Mistrust never crossed my mind.  Stay strong Cryptonit.  I have no problem with your language barrier.  If I don't understand something you are saying I just re-read it and then if I still don't understand - guess what - I ask you! :-)  Don't give up speaking on this forum - that would be the dictator's way of winning. - pokeytex

I downgraded my rating to a neutral rating as he does show some kind of remorse...but that's remaining as a note. At the very least it was written in a very bad and ambiguous way. I must repeat though. If you think this guy is trustworthy, sure, leave him a positive rating, he may even get a couple DefaultTrust ones. But that doesn't mean what made him get negative trust is invalid and that the system is broken. You just make yourselves look like shills, unfortunately.

hi vod

please reread the thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=884262.msg9768188#msg9768188

and consider change ur rating to neutral

i understand now what i did was wrong
but i didnt invest enought time to full understand the system

thx for give some until yet always as honorable know community member a second chance
the educational part of ur rating did reach its full effect already

br

cryptonit aka helmut siedl
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/helmut-siedl/92/460/586

a real person and not someone who try to do any shady business
(i will also post this in thread as a open letter)

Using trust simply as a way to enforce the "rules" is not uncommon here, as the moderators just deal with miscategorized posts and spam. Now, I did extensively view this user's history and I would trust him, which is why I have not left him negative trust like Vod did. However, I understand his viewpoint.

red text usually damages who deserves to get damaged
with rare exceptions tbh

cryptonit 0: -0 / +0   2014-12-01   5.00000000   Reference   paid in advance. nice contact. full trustworthy!

cryptonit 0: -0 / +0   2014-12-03   7.00000000   Reference   Manages my multi BTC investment with great care. Diamond Clound Mining. Fully trustworthy.