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1  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: "Wallet -> Seed" option greyed out on: April 14, 2024, 08:17:42 PM
Below is the message displayed by electrum when importing a BIP39 seed phrase. That explains why electrum developers don't like BIP39 seed phrase and they use a different algorithm.



Yeah. Bing's AI showed that they were trying to future proof its seed generation. Apparently, it'll always know how to read a seed. Maybe trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist or perhaps genius. Multibit used to use something similar with their own approach.  The great thing is that there is a market of ideas.

While my momentary need makes this annoying, I trust the software and controls. Just wish I could see the BIP39 seed.  Sad

I appreciate the help. Maybe I'll dig more into seed generation.

2  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: "Wallet -> Seed" option greyed out on: April 14, 2024, 05:30:18 AM
Well, to be fair, Electrum doesn't generate BIP39 seed.

Yeah. Guess, I can look more into the specs of a BIP39 seed. Curious why they don't support it. Perhaps they have propriety features like BitPay used to have back in the day.

If you want to change that feature, you can try to convince the main developers by following the replies in the link in my first reply.

Nah. I ain't gonna argue with the dev team. I'm sure they have a philosophy behind their approach and, as you're aware, everyone looks at Bitcoin differently. I'll just keep my mind open on whether or not to continue using them or find another wallet. Although, I've mostly liked their wallet.

3  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: "Wallet -> Seed" option greyed out on: April 14, 2024, 03:22:18 AM
Electrum uses a different code to derive BIP39 seed.

Why? One would think you could look at the phrase used to create the wallet. Not exactly user friendly.

If it's just 12 words, do your best to remember it, at least during your travels.

I look at the words maybe once every three years or so. I used the full node QT software, until Taproot. Now, my computer is too old to run it (which is odd because I thought BTC was "soft fork" backwards compatible). So, hopefully the wallet.dat file will still work when I get a new PC to run the node but that's a different topic.  

4  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: "Wallet -> Seed" option greyed out on: April 12, 2024, 05:26:17 PM
Hey, I appreciate all of the responses that have offered potential solutions and peaked my curiosity about some of the backend to Electrum and coding. Smiley

 
There's no way to see your BIP39 seed phrase from Electrum.
Unlike a native Electrum seed phrase which is saved in the wallet file under "keystore", BIP39's isn't saved there, just the derived extended private/public keys.
Without the actual seed phrase, it impossible to get it from the extended private key (xprv) that's derived from it.

Interesting. That sounds like a rabbit hole, as I originally created the wallet from a BIP39 seed. Perhaps there is something different about BIP39 I don't understand. And, maybe, Electrum takes a different approach than other wallets like Exodus.

The most probable reason is the developers' take on BIP39 that its seed phrase isn't enough as a backup since the user also has to take note of derivations path and script type.

I suppose this is why my legacy Bitcoin UTXOs don't show up if I choose a Segwit wallet and visa versa.

I'd like to get my phrase and import it into another wallet and am traveling ... away from my hand-written backup. Appreciate any help  Wink
Why tho?

I have alts on the same seed that I'd like to access.

Don't you already have seed words offline and written as a backup on piece of paper or metal?

Yes. I am traveling and don't have access to them, right now.

In case if you don't have that than I would just send coins to newly generated address in wallet with new seed words that have proper backup.

I'm trying to access some alts with the same seed.

Waiting for fees to go down would be a wise decision.

Yeah  Roll Eyes I sometimes wonder if the *inaudible* should be *inaudibled*. Sinful thought.  Embarrassed

Anyways, get your master private key (actually "extended private key") from the console with getmasterprivate() command.
Then see if your other wallet supports importation of xprv keys. You might have to use convert_xkey(xkey="zprv.....",xtype="standard") if the other wallet only support "xprv".

In general this will work, but if uses passphrase, may get something different.

Code:
@classmethod
    def mnemonic_to_seed(self, mnemonic, passphrase) -> bytes:
        PBKDF2_ROUNDS = 2048
        mnemonic = normalize_text(mnemonic)
        passphrase = passphrase or ''
        passphrase = normalize_text(passphrase)
        return hashlib.pbkdf2_hmac('sha512', mnemonic.encode('utf-8'), b'electrum' + passphrase.encode('utf-8'), iterations = PBKDF2_ROUNDS)

https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum/blob/df842af0b6b48074a510155fbfd28df295c200d4/electrum/mnemonic.py

That seems like it may take some time. I'm skeptical getting into advanced scripts I don't understand, especially after losing multple BTC back in the day but interested in better understanding useful tools that work.

5  Bitcoin / Electrum / "Wallet -> Seed" option greyed out on: April 12, 2024, 02:01:42 AM
I am running an older wallet with a BIP39 seed phrase on Electrum 4.5.2. I was able to load the wallet from a file and see most of my transactions. However, when I try to see the seed phrase the option is greyed out. Why is this and/or is there a way to see my seed?

I'd like to get my phrase and import it into another wallet and am traveling ... away from my hand-written backup. Appreciate any help  Wink
6  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Restoring wallet doesn't restore coins on: April 12, 2024, 01:40:24 AM
If it's an old wallet and the address starts with "1", you'll need to ensure you do not enable Segwit. It seems Electrum won't recognize original Bitcoin addresses if you create a Segwit or native Segwit wallet. The original addresses will not show up among the UTXO set although the key still controls them. Try creating a non-Segwit wallet.  Undecided
7  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Bitcoin's Future: What Happens When the Block Reward is Lower Than Fees? on: January 07, 2023, 07:36:53 PM

I see a lot of problems with BTC and current scaling issues and a shift to LTC/DOGE as a more likely solution than BTC continuing to work well.

Script mining can be fun, and the merge mining of LTC and DOGE could potentially be beneficial as it provides two revenue streams to miners. It's interesting to note that one used to mine LTC and receive DOGE, but now the reverse happens, demonstrating the volatility and uncertainty of the market. The rise of Bitcoin as the dominant cryptocurrency seems inevitable, with its first-mover advantage and recent recognition as legal tender in El Salvador. As history has shown, the actions of one nation often inspire imitation in others.


Doge will thrive and BTC will falter.

LN really hurts BTC in the not so distant future.

That is why I mine both DOGE and BTC
Quoted for when it doesn't happen Smiley

The lessons learned from the scaling debate and the enduring strength of Bitcoin as market money serve as a reminder of the power of staying true to one's principles.


So, in the end the regular fees will probably top block rewards sooner then we seem to be talking about here.

Still 20+ years away.

The inherent design necessitates that the number of transactions within a block must either increase or the value of the fees for those transactions must increase in order to sustain mining. In this way, we are confronted with a paradox: as the value of Bitcoin increases, so too does the value of each satoshi used to pay the fee. It is a complex balance, one that demands careful contemplation and discernment.
8  Bitcoin / Mining / Bitcoin's Future: What Happens When the Block Reward is Lower Than Fees? on: December 18, 2022, 05:57:12 PM
I was lucky enough to be around Bitcoin mining when the rewards were sky-high and the competition wasn't as fierce. But as time has passed and the difficulty has skyrocketed. It's become almost impossible to turn a profit with mining. I still remember when I first got my S9 and it was bringing in a cool $25-$100 per day, but those days are long gone and the rewards just aren't what they used to be.

I've been thinking a lot about what will happen when the block reward subsidy drops below 2 BTC in a little over 5 years. According to the original white paper, the goal was for fees to eventually overtake the subsidy, but there was no specific timeline given. If the price of Bitcoin is high enough to make up for the lower subsidy with miner fees, it could cost an exorbitant amount to send Bitcoin. This could put pressure toward using centralized services like exchanges and WatchTowers on the Lightning Network for using Bitcoin. If the cost of sending Bitcoin remains low, mining will become more and more reliant on cheap electricity.

It's hard to predict exactly what will happen, but I'm curious to hear what others think. What do you think will happen when the block reward subsidy is 1.5625 BTC in a little over 5 years?
9  Economy / Economics / Monetarist vs. Austrian Economics: is there a difference? on: September 11, 2022, 05:36:41 PM
Being in Bitcoin, many of us have heard people talk about the value of hard, sound, fungible money. Books like the Bitcoin Standard and other thought leaders in the space discuss Austrian Economics vs. Keynesian. I am studying to take the Securities Industry Essentials Exam and came across the following definitions:

Principal Economic Theories
Keynesian: Theorizes that an increase in government expenditures and a decrease in taxes can prevent or repair an economic recession.

  • The government’s role is significant.

Monetarist: Theorizes that controlling the money supply and letting the market work itself out can curb inflation and is essential for a healthy economy.

  • The government’s role is minimal.


Could an Austrian Economist, such as Saifedean Ammous, be called a Monetarist? Are the two terms interchangeable? 
10  Other / Archival / Re: Entrepreneurship or Office job? on: September 11, 2022, 05:26:30 PM
I have been taking classes with the local Small Business Development Corporation (SBDC) to write a business plan. I have learned capital is key. According to my projections, and I am told this is semi-common, the first two years would be sunk costs and profit would start into the third year. Others have somebody else with an income and their business is not the only income. On whole, I believe people who work "in an office" (which now can be "work from anywhere" in many professions) generally have higher individual net balance at the end of the day - except those who are able to grow to $20M or higher in revenues.

If you have sufficient money, then a business can be a place to generate income ... generally, it takes a job to get that income or pawning your house. Few will do a private placement and raise funds through equity capital. Business that can be started with low barriers will soon be saturated, e.g., Bitcoin mining.

However, I will add that another option is changing industries. That can lead to different culture, income and satisfaction. I am considering that, right now, because the industry in which I work is too authoritarian.
11  Economy / Economics / Re: Which fiat money are you holding right now in case of emergency needs? on: September 11, 2022, 05:10:28 PM
I hold $USD and $MXN. But it is difficult to obtain, unless it's cash and there are conversion fees.

I, also, have some specie coins that are in other fiat but the value is separate from the fiat value.
12  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Where can I find information on mining Monero - XMR? on: September 02, 2022, 08:55:25 PM
thanks
13  Other / Archival / Re: Why has bitcoin adoption failed in El Salvador? on: September 02, 2022, 08:17:47 PM
Not exactly. El Salvador blew it when it gave away the $30 all in one go. It should've rewarded citizens based on participation (like a sort of cashback), not just downloading and installing the wallet

he does that on two motives, one is to help the citizens adapt to the use of bitcoin by having some stash in the wallet so that they can all have a reason more for it engagement, he also do that in other to consider the less privileged and for every single citizens to have at least that little amount to earn a living

Most everyone immediately downloaded the Chivo app. For the first week, I saw about 1/3 using the Chivo wallet. I have seen a handful since. Most people spent it right away. But I do think it is helping with remittances in amounts of $20 - $30 because it removes the 25% transaction fee. Everyone I send to sends me a screenshot and I see "convert to USD" checked.

I would like to be able to receive Bitcoin as change from SuperSelectos, Texaco and other large establishments.
14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Where can I find information on mining Monero - XMR? on: September 02, 2022, 08:12:02 PM
I've searched around and everything seems to be 2020 or earlier. I have come across a few sources here and there, but does anybody have information on how to build a rig and calculate mining ROI for Monero?

Any help appreciated. I'd like to get some estimates on hashrate and power consumption as well and am not coming across it.

thanks
15  Other / Archival / Re: Why has bitcoin adoption failed in El Salvador? on: August 31, 2022, 12:12:04 AM
Do you have evidence to either show that El Salvador's economic condition has not been improved in the last year or at least that it is not worse off ...?

El Salvador's economy grew by 16.63% in 2021, which is an astonishing amount considering many countries see 4% as great.

Numbers are still out on this year, obviously.

Source:https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/SLV/el-salvador/gdp-gross-domestic-product
16  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What are your thoughts on Ethereum Classic (ETC) with the upcoming ETH merge? on: August 30, 2022, 04:27:21 PM
Why fork when they can just redirect their hashing power to ETC.  But I bet if ever a fork is created during the transition, many will still fall for it and happily spend their money to buy those forked tokens.

Exactly! And they may have a new fork, but they need exchanges to accept the new fork and there needs to be liquidity. I think exchanges will be hesitant, since miners already continued the original chain. I think exchanges may get tired of supporting forks, e.g., Litecoin Cash.

I would like to see more development on ETC.

If in 2020 bull run, ETC can rise to $200, it will rise to higher price in 2024 or 2025. Especially if in future, there is no PoW for ETH.

One of strongest Proof of Work coins. If you look at ETC chart, there are good waves for this coin.

Seems like it could be a good 2-3 year play ... curious about the upcoming months. Will there be a "buy the news, sell the event"?
17  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What are your thoughts on Ethereum Classic (ETC) with the upcoming ETH merge? on: August 30, 2022, 02:14:32 AM
ever since Ethereum announced the Ethereum Merge, Ethereum Classic is really very bullish,
I think the hype for mineable coins will be huge if you see Ethereum classic have performing well in this bear market,
and rumors are indeed Ethereum miners moving to Ethereum classic , because we know that Ethereum will switch to POS

I am mining $ETC and am bullish on it long-term. When you look at coins like DOGE overtaking LTC, the former merge mining upon the latter, it seems those that are right under our noses go up. When you look at the token economy, I think 2-layer solutions like MATIC may provide relief at the margins but it is complex. Ethereum Classic is the second best EVM (Ethereum Virtual Machine) in my opinion. And it may become the first best if the PoS fails Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy. [Remembering the number of Ethereum I had on Coinbase when Tone Vays convinced me it was a scam. Roll Eyes]

In any case, there will be more miners moving over to $ETC in time as the DAG grows to 5 MB. That protects against the one negative I had on ETC, 51% attacked that occured. DOGE took care of their 51% by merge mining with Litecoin. Ethereum devs may have actually helped the original, immutable, chain survive with their upgrades. I may buy if it hits the $7-22 range. Will is 10x??  Ain't that always the question?

I agree that minable coins will be more favorable long-term because with things like Polygon (MATIC), you get warnings that your coins are unregistered. WTF?  People know Ethereum Classic. It's a solid performer ... like bass player from Nirvana: steady and reliable. It has long-term value. It's here to stay.

Though ... now, there may not be an ETH merge, again.

18  Other / Archival / Re: Why has bitcoin adoption failed in El Salvador? on: August 30, 2022, 12:55:40 AM
The Bitcoin price dropped in the one year 60% which has a huge impact on the value of the national holdings of El Salvador.
1BTC = 1BTC; they have the same amount of Bitcoin. But, yes, people still believe in soft fiat money.

The big problem in my opinion is that the government is becoming more harsh in their effort to silence opposition and trying to stop people from speaking out against bitcoins.
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I have not seen that. I have only seen a few protests in the capital ... it's mostly farmers who want seeds and fertilizer. Oh, and the media. They are negative on Bitcoin. But they are mostly negative on anything the government does.
 
And then there is the IMF who is controlled by USD and will not help El Salvador as long as they use Bitcoin as their national currency.
They have two national legal tenders: $USD and $BTC. Puts the $USD cartel, established by A. Lincoln in the 1863 and 1864 Banking Acts, in a difficult position. It's funny. But the fun part is that SV (El Salvador) is building securities law around Bitcoin. So, it is trending toward the direction of all securities "permitted" in El Salvador need to be on Bitcoin. You cannot, for example, live on dividends from investments on a US exchange ... hence, the need for Bitcoin. People shit on El Salvador. I've even had hundreds stolen from me (likely from the FinCEN) in transmission.

If the civil unrest keeps increasing they might need to find a compromise to give into the protests.
What are you talking about? The protests were in 2021. The biggest danger is that Bukele changes the Constitution, so he can remain in power beyond 5 years. He has like an 80% approval rating, so many are likely to support it. He showed up in the Legislature, during session, with the military and surrounded the place. After that, there were talks of changing the Constitution but it has all been in secret. If changes were made to the Constitution, nobody yet knows.




19  Other / Archival / Re: Why has bitcoin adoption failed in El Salvador? on: August 30, 2022, 12:27:21 AM
I thought that Strike was also popular in El Salvador, ...

Jack Maller was involved in getting BTC adopted as legal tender. But NOBODY uses strike nor do they hold their own keys.  

I personally have not even used the lightning network ... but sure they are custody wallets too from my understanding.

Yes. It is difficult to setup. To custody your own watchtower you need to (a) fund it and (b) have other people fund it. It tends toward money transmitters like Bitfinex who have the most liquid channels. I had to give my keys to two other organizations to try to pay my Internet bill over $LBTC. Neither worked and I paid $10 in fees to add and remove from their watchtower.

I wonder if any El Salvadoreans are using any of those wallets?


No. There is not one Lightning channel in El Salvador; it appears the closest are in Mexico and Panama: https://explorer.acinq.co/

Everyone uses the "Chivo" wallet, which is sort of like Tik-Tok biometrics meets WeChatPay in China. There is an option to pay with Lightning but there is no verification. I am convinced what they call Lightning is simply a database on the Bitso exchange. Chivo is the only regulated way to buy Bitcoin in El Salvador. There were a few BTM providers at popular spots, but the government took over the BTM business by placing them all over the country and adding a 2% spread. You need to have a +503 (Salvadoran) phone number, DUI (their state ID) or passport registered with the government to buy Bitcoin from Chivo vending machines (BTMs). Signs at stores says, "Chivo accepted here" not "Bitcoin accepted here," except Pizza Hut which prices in satoshis.

Very few understand keys, blockchain or fees. Most receive Bitcoin and immediately convert it to $USD. I hope it changes, poco a poco.

Regarding your AirBnb.. I would imagine that there is more demand for various hotels and Airbnb.

Yes, there are MANY more AirBnbs offered.

I'll keep trying to educate my friends on the difference between a government database and Bitcoin. It's a slow go. People will eventually catch on (when they have a Chivo wallet frozen). While SV (El Salvador) has its issues in implementation, it is f***ing sweet to have as legal tender. It makes life so much easier on many fronts.
20  Other / Archival / Re: Why has bitcoin adoption failed in El Salvador? on: August 29, 2022, 01:28:22 AM
It has not failed, though it appears adoption is slow everybody has access to the Chivo wallet and can spend at Super Selectos, Simon and other large chains. Individuals also accept it, but you do not see ... such as services rendered from the US (gardening, medical, cleaning). There was more than $50M in remittances in the past year.

A major problem is that most do not understand "not your keys? not your coins." In fact, it appears as though many of the $LBTC transactions may actually be Chivo-to-Chivo because I have tried paying two separate parties with Lightning and it did not work. I even tried both implementations and paid the $4 watchtower fee. It's a little concerning that the government holds all of the keys on an exchange in Mexico called Bitso.

But the cool thing is they can accept from any BTC wallet and send to any BTC wallet. Plus, it is ONLY BITCOIN - which is huge. That drops everything else out of the equation and they are building legal securities infrastructure (with the help of Simon Dixon and Blockstream) on top of Bitcoin.

Have a good day. And, please, visit the eastern part of El Salvador ... a place called Tropico Inn at El Cuco is a local favorite for those living in San Miguel (the largest city near to where Bitcoin City is slated to be.) Come visit the east not just San Salvador and drive via Usulutan not San Vicente, it's faster. I have an Airbnb if anyone is interested.
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