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101  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Blocknet - Polo, Kraken, Bitfinex killer on: July 17, 2017, 07:01:38 PM
Can we say that "masternode" is like Chaincoin and Syndicate?   Why did those other coins get pumped instead...
102  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CHC] ChainCoin - 0.9.2.4 Update - Cryptopia & Novaexchange on: July 13, 2017, 11:13:31 PM
Is it confirmed that CHC is going on Bittrex next week?  If so, source?
103  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: VERITASEUM DISCUSSION THREAD on: July 10, 2017, 02:42:05 AM
A fool and his money is immediately parted.

Edit:
Over $3 mil of stolen money @ https://etherscan.io/address/0x8d12a197cb00d4747a1fe03395095ce2a5cc6819#tokentxns

Thats etherdelta's address isn't it?

This is one of the phisher's addresses, causing carnage with all Eth ICO coins

https://etherscan.io/address/0xba83e9ce38b10522e3d6061a12779b7526839eda#tokentxns



Are you referring to the site that is not really myetherwallet.com but ending with something else?
104  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: July 09, 2017, 04:50:49 AM
It's great that it got so cheap for me to pick up some more.   The post snapshot sales are great!
105  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: July 09, 2017, 04:04:45 AM
is the snapshot taken already?

4:07 UTC.   
106  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: VERITASEUM DISCUSSION THREAD on: July 07, 2017, 01:10:39 PM
Ok. Comical interlude over.

I apologise for winding you up @paulmaritz. I should not have done that as it isn't my intention to use these posts to make people feel uncomfortable.

But lets take stock as to who is the real troll here.

I have been contributing considered opinion, often accompanied by some reasonable argument and the odd bit of anecdotal illustration and calculation. I've done so in good faith because having traded these markets for 4 years you observe certain things that are blatantly obvious market movers. I've also been careful not to use the "s" word, nor have I dismissed this token's fundamentals, which I believe to be sound, and nor have I "ad hominem'd" anybody as far as I'm aware.

What have you contributed of illuminating value ? You posted that coinmarketcom quote which was useful - I hadn't seen that. Apart form that, a large amount of handwaving and pictures of trolls.

So maybe a truce would be fruitful plus a more constructive appraisal of the matter at hand.

The issue as I see it is that when you have a single holder with a large amount of asset to sell in an illiquid market you need some kind of market leader to act as a price discovery mechanism so you can go and negotiate with 'large buyers' and make so called 'institutional sales'. (Which are not actually institutional at all since there are no institutions regulating them, they're just sales).

That was the role of the ICO and subsequent market rise on tiny volume.

What will happen now is that OTC (over the counter) sales will be made at significantly discounted token-to-coin exchange rates and large volumes which come from outside the published coin supply but which effectively qualify as 'circulating supply' since the tokens have now been distributed. This is great for large investors but for small investors there is considerably more risk from 2 sources:

1. a step change in published supply invoking a large and abrupt correction to the downside in token exchange rate to compensate for marketcap growth

2. an arbitrage driven correction between OTC and Exchange markets

I'm not necessarily saying that this will happen, I'm just pointing out that this risk is carried disproportionally by the small investor because:

 • they do not gain from the liquidity increase (as the ICO issuer does)
 • they do not gain from the OTC discount (as the 'institutional buyer' does)

Sure, it may all work out and as has been pointed out, some other assets do this to a limited extent. But the ratio of published to unpublished supply in this case is absolutely monumental (which is why I suggested the policy of marketcap reporting is being 'gamed') and its something that no investor has control over. Their interests do depend on things staying that way as far as I can see.

Litecoin has 84,000,000 million coins but they are currently only at 51,000,000 million...why are you not calling LTC a scam or XRP, or BTC or any others for that matter?

Because Litecoin is a mined coin. The 84,000,000 don't currently exist whereas the 100,000,000 VERI do, are currently in a wallet and ready to be sold at the holder's whim. There's no "2 Million liquid supply" and "98 million illiquid supply". There's just a 100 Million token wallet with a single holder.

I won't call you a troll. You actually do raise some points worth considering. The problem is that you are disseminating opinion as fact, and it is incorrect and simply wrong. For instance, you said "What will happen now is that OTC (over the counter) sales will be made at significantly discounted token-to-coin exchange rates".
That's simply incorrect. Ask anyone who has purchased in bulk, they will tell you that thus far we have sold at a "premium" to the so-called "token-to-coin exchange rates", not a discount. You see, the problem is that you do not understand the business model of Veritaseum. It is a software solutions and financial engineering platform, and not a make believe faux security. You reasoning keeps defaulting to the latter, despite my and others having corrected you several times.  

You also stated "I've done so in good faith because having traded these markets for 4 years you observe certain things that are blatantly obvious market movers."
It is apparent that you have not traded in anything similar to Veritaseum with a economic platform business model or you would realize that the more the merrier (you know, Metcalfe's Law, and all...). Again, you are consistently looking at the economics as a inflationary item count or some sort of dilutive effect similar to traded equities. That is almost the antithesis of what we have here. Basically you don't get it, but you are obvisouly an intelligent guy, so it is apparent that you can get it. This leads to troll comments from others in the forum, because it seems as if you don't want to get it.

The biggest visible distribution from "reggie's wallet" of tokens thus far would be the proposed Jamaican Stock Exchange deal. That caused VERI price to more than double, So here, we have a real world example of what you declaring, yet the real world effect is the opposite of what you are asserting. There are many more deals in the pipeline, most are as large, and many are larger than the JSE deal. I would expect a pop with each deal as the network effect grows stronger, but you will be left in a lurch as you look at things from a value dilutive perspective. It's accretive, if anything.

You also stated "But the ratio of published to unpublished supply in this case is absolutely monumental ". That comment is nonsensical. The entire issuance is published, it's called the blockchain - the point of this entire exercise. Isn't that how you came to find out about the amount? Everyone else in the world can do the same thing.

and... Reggie... mike drop. 
107  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: VERITASEUM DISCUSSION THREAD on: July 06, 2017, 10:42:30 PM

Stop beating a dead horse in this thread.

Hey, the horse is not dead - it's well and truly alive in case you hadn't noticed and this thread is only too happy to celebrate it.

It's alive because of a formula - the formula that I and others have been highlighting and the formula that Reggie designed, so don't diss it. You might regret it Wink


1. VERI didn't decide to calculate the marketcap based on that formula... (eg. this is not coinmarketcap thread)
2. See 1.
108  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: VERITASEUM DISCUSSION THREAD on: July 06, 2017, 10:29:09 PM

To be serious for a moment, I do understand the sense of trepidation felt by some posting on here about a lot of tokens being "off book" yet to be distributed...I think they're struggling to get their heads around is the inherent value added with each sale

And maybe what you're struggling to get your head around is simple arithmetic and standard accounting practice.

The fact that you think that more "off-book" sales may add value is not an excuse for manipulating markets through devious reporting or otherwise "gaming" of the statistics in order to garner liquidity for "institutional" investors at the expense of exposing small ones to higher levels of risk than they would be under authentically presented market metrics.

You keep complaining about the way the market cap is calculated... It's really simple really.   If you want coinmarketcap to change, write them instead.  No amount of complaining in this thread will change the way they calculate on their site since nobody on that site is reading this thread....   Make them change it for everyone.  Your problem is solved.   Stop beating a dead horse in this thread.   You are really starting to just sound like a troll even if that's not what you are trying to do.
109  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: VERITASEUM DISCUSSION THREAD on: July 04, 2017, 11:23:53 PM
He he he he. 1000 VERI wall is/was ignored. Was taken only 2.9 VERI from this wall. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. People are trading mainly around this wall slightly below not taking it or above. LOL. The best answer to attempted manipulation is to ignore it. Bravo to the people.
just buy the wall. 0.69 is nothing


been doing that all damn day lol...its almost gone...

and... it's GONE
110  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: VERITASEUM DISCUSSION THREAD on: July 04, 2017, 06:21:33 AM
what was the price during the crowdsale?

It depends. If you have entered at the beginning of ICO (25th of April) was approx. ETH = $50 and ratio was 1 : 30 (30 VERI for 1 ETH). Later on (at the end of ICO) was approx. $200 and the same ratio as before. There was also extra bonus 20% for 1st day of ICO, 10% for second day and then 1% less for each consecutive day (so day 13 had 0 discount). So you could get as cheap as 1.33 USD and the most expensive about 7.2 USD

Even at today's price though, you will still be able to make a lot of money off of VERI with the things Reggie is planning to accomplish... Today's price is like BTC at $10...
111  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: VERITASEUM DISCUSSION THREAD on: July 04, 2017, 04:02:43 AM
I went back and listened to that part 3 times just to make sure. You are 100% right. I'm not sure what he meant by his connection with Joe in the data being similar to this guy in Patagonia, but he did in fact say veritaseum could very well be 1:1 with bitcoin in one year from now, priced at $18,000+.

That's life changing amounts of money for those who invested. I think I felt the blood leave my extremities when I realized his statement in full.

Totally agreed.  Think we have a jackpot on our hand.
112  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nodum - Masternodes Community on: July 03, 2017, 02:09:28 PM
Dash masternode = 200% bonus
Other master node = 100% bonus

"Fair" distribution...


Indeed. any comments from the team?

Distribution is open to everyone. We want to be a strong masternodes community and for that reason we give better bonus to other currencies masternodes owners.

Then you really shouldn't have the word FAIR in your description of the distribution.   You can say it's free distribution, but fair it is not....
113  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Claiming EOS with Metamask on: July 03, 2017, 04:02:48 AM
How many EOS does one get for 1 ETH?

It depends ....

Each period is different.

Period 1 - 306.8 per ETH ( 5 days period)

The rest is 1 day period each

Period 2 - 160.08 per ETH
Period 3 - 138.20 per ETH (so far, not done today yet.   seems it's going to go down even more)
114  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: VERITASEUM DISCUSSION THREAD on: July 03, 2017, 03:34:02 AM
is there a slack channel?

Yep. Just drop an email to masiah at veritaseum.com and he will include you.

Can I get an invite to the slack too?

Thanks!
115  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nodum - Masternodes Community on: July 01, 2017, 11:22:49 PM
Dash masternode = 200% bonus
Other master node = 100% bonus

"Fair" distribution...

116  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: VERITASEUM DISCUSSION THREAD on: June 26, 2017, 09:16:13 AM
Is there a Slack channel yet for VERI?
117  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: VERITASEUM DISCUSSION THREAD on: June 20, 2017, 10:13:36 PM
The day it hits an exchange the price will have a hellish pop too as more buyers that only wanted to exchange fiat join the mix. Not to mention etherdelta is difficult at best.


Feel bad for the peeps who tried to get in VERI on EtherDelta only to get ripped blind by the ordering process and got decimals where they should have had dozens.  some real big hurts and so many fudged transactions.

Wasted so much gas by failed transactions...
118  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: VERITASEUM DISCUSSION THREAD on: June 20, 2017, 07:37:10 PM
It may seem expensive now but this is cheap compared to what it will be. I sure won't be selling my coins anytime soon.

Same. Hodling.
119  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: VERITASEUM DISCUSSION THREAD on: June 20, 2017, 10:21:38 AM
Just noticed this on EtherDelta.   Am I dreaming with the price or just a temp pump??
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