for those who think this is a scam. we are ready to send demo boards to reputable forum member for verification and review soon.  |
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if you can please share your thoughts, i hope this be a grassroots movement that we can continuously learn and improve our product. thanks. Nope !
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Updated! Cheers  |
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that's my threads we will send test boards to members for testing once available, keep my fingers crossed |
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sure, we are open to any cooperation opportunities.
Is it possible to meet in person? we all have full time job, and busy on this project on the side, so i can't guarantee any time. but if you have something interesting, we can arrange meeting. thanks. |
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we consider to design a multi-fpga platform focusing on the ROI and performance.
Are you interested in some kind of cooperation? sure, we are open to any cooperation opportunities. |
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requiring a much larger fpga to reach reasonable hash performance
But they can split the job between many cheap small ones, even though it will be not as power efficient as a single chip, but cheaper to produce multi-chip layout would increase the design complexity and hence the board cost. besides the communication latency between chips would the bottleneck.. i think it would be really challenging to build any viable product at cost below $100.. |
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how cheap is cheap? we plan to price the fpga miner at $400 price range (depending on the final order number), about 20W power consumption. i don't really think you can get reasonably sized fpga device below that price
400 US isn't cheap expecially with ETH( and the market) at current price level.
I do think that there are some reasonably sized FPGA but limited to only few algos that may be sold around 200 bucks.
ANd then we have to pay attention to the bitstream. If your bitstream follow the same algos of what will be available on the other platform ie allmineinc, the risk of overlapping is high.
A fpga that mine Allium, Arto CNvariant, or skein will be more safe to purchase than one that mine Etash,CN monero and Tribus.
if you want to sell at 200, your total cost needs to be lower than 100, for that price i really doubt you can find any good sized fpga. it is no longer bitcoin time, the algo of altcoins nowadays are made wickedly complex, requiring a much larger fpga to reach reasonable hash performance |
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how cheap is cheap? we plan to price the fpga miner at $400 price range (depending on the final order number), about 20W power consumption. i don't really think you can get reasonably sized fpga device below that price
Cheap is something that pays off within 6 months  Even if it's $40,000 but has a short breakeven period I will (and many others) consider it a great deal. -- Your power consumption rate is amazing, good job! Hope you will succeed at making good profit with this project! Thanks. if our single fpga design is proven to be successful. we consider to design a multi-fpga platform focusing on the ROI and performance. |
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ETASH requires an awfull lot of memory and is quite a power hungry algo, so an expensive FPGA with a 225W power limit is not the best fit at all.
My idea was to get cheaper and little older hardware and build a cheap miner. Tasks can be divided between several chips... Yes, that will consume more power, but I think if we make calculations based on what industrial miners are paying (up to 5 cents per kwh), then there may be a niche for such product. There's a project, the idea is to lower the keccak burden on the GPU. Thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4391318.msg39871063we have tested keccak algo, our proposed fpga miner should be able to achieve 1GH/s at 20w. the PCIe can be added so you can use it as an accelerator type of device. |
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ETASH requires an awfull lot of memory and is quite a power hungry algo, so an expensive FPGA with a 225W power limit is not the best fit at all.
My idea was to get cheaper and little older hardware and build a cheap miner. Tasks can be divided between several chips... Yes, that will consume more power, but I think if we make calculations based on what industrial miners are paying (up to 5 cents per kwh), then there may be a niche for such product. how cheap is cheap? we plan to price the fpga miner at $400 price range (depending on the final order number), about 20W power consumption. i don't really think you can get reasonably sized fpga device below that price |
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Why is Your name of the thread so similar to other one running FPGA sales? Do You REALLY need to emphasize that it is REAL product? I mean, every buyer expects real product.
I don't know about the other thread you are referring to. Agilmine means an "agile" miner, which can evolve and adapt to different algo. inspired by Agilent actually buyers all expect real products, but what they get in the end? there are just so many scammers nowadays. |
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great info! thank you all!
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i am trying to figure out the ranking order and promotion rules thanks.
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hi, please have in mind people that not live in USA or europa ($ 400 is like a little more of the half of the monthly salary for example). i really love try this in argentina but normally no shippings or they are expensive ones, bad politics (50% tax in anything that cost more than 25usd) and really bad currency exchange rate haha.
i dont know why im very curious on the way that FPGA works and what can do.
please keep us updated with this.
Great work.
true. we will have to look into how to best serve you guys internationally. for the price, unofficially, I have confidence to bring it down below $400 if we receive enough order, which i can use to negotiate better deal with the suppliers/manufacturers, but i don't want it to sound like some scam to some people so i will keep quite for now, and share more info later when we have a viable product for sale. it is still not cheap, but you are looking at a mining device that is equivalent to gpu miner performance (on some algo) at 20w power consumption. setting up a gpu rig requires motherboard, cpu, ssd, etc, the overall expense would be much higher than our fpga solution. the fpga board is expensive to make, i feel like i would be lucky if i don't lose too much money working on this project  but it is fun |
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Nice introduction.
I await your further elaboration on specs and other use details.
I always knew FPGA devices would be prominent at some point; but most people don't understand the linearity of a FPGA vs. a common CPU/GPU.
Will the bitstreams be open-source as to allow community additions and enhancements?
Trust me; if you manufacture and sell the hardware; people would rather buy it than remanufacture the hardware themselves. It's a no-brainer.
Encrypting and locking down bitstreams with hard coded fees are a HUGE turn off in my eyes. Mining was never intended to be that way.
at this point, we are more pro open than close, i would just feel so wrong by forcing a dev fee on the miners, which i really hate personally being a miner myself. but we also need to figure out a way to protect the copy right, these bitfiles worth months of hardwork, it would also be wrong if someone just steal it and use on some cheaper clones.. |
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I hope you will have an adequate solution for price and performance. The FPGA market is just beginning to develop while there are very few decent and competitive products. As soon as decent solutions appear, large producers of asics will quickly begin to lower prices for their products. I'm even very curious who will win this battle.
On what process technology(nm) do you plan to release your chips for boards?
This FPGA chip is 28nm process, which we think it is the most balanced solution for an affordable mining device. and it is large enough to hold a big RTL design which is required by most of algo implementation. we should be able to sell this product at a very affordable price if there is enough order, which we can leverage to negotiate a better deal with suppliers and manufacturer.. So I guess this fpga mining is becoming a thing again huh? well... I guess nobody can really do anything about it, but I'll tell you all straight that this is no different then trying to acquire asics! because of AVAILABILITY!!!!!!!! cpu/gpu mining will always be the best and the only real decentralized mining option in the crypto world. and the sooner you all realize that the better! I mean I wouldn't have anything against asics nor fpgas if they were as available as any other cpus or gpus, but I'm afraid I can already tell that this guy arm_race(and of course the competition) will similarly follow in the footsteps of some of the today's biggest asic manufacturing companies, of course, if these fpgas prove to be successful and profitable products in the first place. Think about what I just said before jumping on the fpga hypetrain... P.S. no offense arm_race, just my honest opinion, I actually wish you and your team well in your developing endeavors... hey, some organic discussion is always welcomed here. thanks for the input. ironically, Availability is the issue we want to solve in the first place, as we see the GPU mining is not a preferred option to everyone, due to its size, heat, noise, high-price and not being available from time to time. we are trying to present a generic mining platform for developers and miners, being small & portable that everyone can set up a "rig" on his desk, and comfortably live with it. |
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I hope you will have an adequate solution for price and performance. The FPGA market is just beginning to develop while there are very few decent and competitive products. As soon as decent solutions appear, large producers of asics will quickly begin to lower prices for their products. I'm even very curious who will win this battle.
On what process technology(nm) do you plan to release your chips for boards?
This FPGA chip is 28nm process, which we think it is the most balanced solution for an affordable mining device. and it is large enough to hold a big RTL design which is required by most of algo implementation. we should be able to sell this product at a very affordable price if there is enough order, which we can leverage to negotiate a better deal with suppliers and manufacturer.. |
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The last 3 years I have been engaged in mining. I will be glad to test your product.
When do you plan to release a ready-made solution to the market?
thank you, this batch is mainly for internal design validation. if no critical issues found we may assemble more for sampling. we try to shoot for August for production, but we need to line up with all suppliers and manufacturers, a lot of work ahead. fun stuff. |
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