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101  Other / Off-topic / Re: [CONFIRMED] Flat Earth on: November 18, 2015, 07:14:04 PM
i am really sorry to say that you all are talking about a foolish topic because many of the sattelites that went around the earth and saw that it has no edges and it is a sphere.

And yet, none of the photos from NASA of the earth show satellites.

And you're insane to think they should.  If the diameter of Earth in a photo is 1000 pixels, a satellite would occupy around one one-thousandth of the length of a pixel for a satellite 40 feet in length (and that's a larger satellite; many satellites are a couple feet long or less.

And that's just speaking about length in pixels.  Taking into account height, you're looking at around one one-millionth of the total area of a pixel (i.e. 1/1000 x 1/1000 = 1/1,000,000).
102  Other / Off-topic / Re: [CONFIRMED] Flat Earth on: November 18, 2015, 04:41:21 PM
You're assuming there's a physical barrier (earth curvature), but the vanishing points physical limitations are the result of the observers perspective matrix.
Define "perspective matrix".
A camera with no Telephoto Lens has a closer point than one with a TL. One camera will see half a ship on the horizon and one will see 100%. This proves that there's no physical barrier in the case of a ship on the ocean. The same would apply to the sears tower.
Have you ever operated a camera with a telephoto lens? If you had, you would know this is not the case.

Sorry I meant perspective matrix.



I think what I'm trying to say here is that the geometry of the eye/camera (in combination with elevation) defines the distance to the vanishing point and horizon.

note:

The horizon on a flat plane always rises to eye/camera level, it could only do this if it's a function of the eye/camera. The fact the horizon always remains at eye level irrespective of elevation on earth is more proof that it's flat.



Note: No, the horizon doesn't rise to eye level.  Actually, at any height above h=0, the horizon is never at eye level.  You can calculate, measure, and perceive a line of sight above the horizon.  While flying in a jet liner, for example, the horizon would be about 3 degrees below your line of sight.

Just because you look at the horizon doesn't mean it's at eye level in the way that you're suggesting.  You're just...looking at it, and those 3 degrees won't make much of a perceptual difference.
103  Other / Off-topic / Re: [CONFIRMED] Flat Earth on: November 18, 2015, 02:07:25 AM
I got Kool-Aid by the barrel full!

You lash out with "idiodoc theories" but there's no substance to your rebuttal. You're attempting to rebut technical arguments and empirical proof with peer pressure.
"Broadly, the method places a lot of emphasis on reconciling empiricism and rationalism, and making logical deductions based on empirical data." There's no empirical proof just made up theories. Anything that doesn't go with the flat Earth theory is either a lie or conspiracy according to the believers, no wonder that people call it a joke. Buy a drone, fly it over Antarctica (I'm pretty sure that yours wouldn't be the only one around there).

"Empirical evidence, data, or knowledge, also known as sense experience, is a collective term for the knowledge or source of knowledge acquired by means of the senses, particularly by observation and experimentation." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empirical_evidence

Now if my camera and telephoto lens observes an object and captures it on film/CCD at a distance that would put it far below the supposed curvature of the Earth how is that not empirical evidence and proof of a flat Earth? I can come up with all sorts of "empirical evidence" that's just one point.

As for the drone, how do I protect it from the missiles that will be fired at it if I try and fly it across Antarctica?



Several pages back, I did the actual math as to why, for example, you can clearly see the Chicago skyline at a distance of some ~60 miles.  When you take into account the curvature of light at the horizon, only some ~30-something feet of the skyline will be obfuscated by the curvature of the earth.  At a distance of 60 miles, the effect of light's curvature is so great that you can simply pretend a 500 foot-tall building is something like ~6 times it's actual height.  In other words, it's like a 500 foot-tall building is actually 3,000 feet tall, and you're observing that 3000 foot-tall building at a distance of 60 miles, which you would clearly see.

The math used by flat earthers to say "you shouldn't see the skyline at a distance of 60 miles" is flawed as hell as the other factors not taken into account perfectly explain why we see what we see.  Educate yourself, do the math yourself, and be amazed at the round earth.

(For some explanation, light bends about 0.5 degrees of arc at the horizon whereas a 500 foot-tall building occupies only about 0.08 degrees of arc at a distance of 60 miles, or 1/6th as much.  This means you can account for the bending of light by imagining the building is 6 times taller than it is and then calculating how much you would expect to see due to curvature.  For taller buildings which occupy more perceptual scope, it would be less than 6 times; for shorter buildings, it would be more than 6 times.)

Here:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1009045.msg12645979#msg12645979

Nice try but you're attempting to use Astronomical Refraction to make your calculations. When Terrestrial Refraction is used the dispersion angle is so small it can't even be measured due to atmospheric turbulence.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_refraction


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On the horizon refraction is slightly greater than the apparent diameter of the Sun, so when the bottom of the sun's disc appears to touch the horizon, the sun's true altitude is negative. If the atmosphere suddenly vanished, the sun would too. By convention, sunrise and sunset refer to times at which the Sun’s upper limb appears on or disappears from the horizon and the standard value for the Sun’s true altitude is −50′: −34′ for the refraction and −16′ for the Sun’s semi-diameter.

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The light from distant objects on the earth is refracted too; the straight line from your eye to a distant mountain might be blocked by a closer hill, but the actual light path may curve enough to make the distant peak visible. A reasonable first guess: a mountain's apparent altitude at your eye (in degrees) will exceed its true altitude by its distance in kilometers divided by 1500. This assumes a fairly horizontal line of sight and ordinary air density; if the mountain is very high (so much of the sightline is in thinner air) divide by 1600 instead.
104  Other / Off-topic / Re: [CONFIRMED] Flat Earth on: November 18, 2015, 12:26:22 AM
I got Kool-Aid by the barrel full!

You lash out with "idiodoc theories" but there's no substance to your rebuttal. You're attempting to rebut technical arguments and empirical proof with peer pressure.
"Broadly, the method places a lot of emphasis on reconciling empiricism and rationalism, and making logical deductions based on empirical data." There's no empirical proof just made up theories. Anything that doesn't go with the flat Earth theory is either a lie or conspiracy according to the believers, no wonder that people call it a joke. Buy a drone, fly it over Antarctica (I'm pretty sure that yours wouldn't be the only one around there).

"Empirical evidence, data, or knowledge, also known as sense experience, is a collective term for the knowledge or source of knowledge acquired by means of the senses, particularly by observation and experimentation." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empirical_evidence

Now if my camera and telephoto lens observes an object and captures it on film/CCD at a distance that would put it far below the supposed curvature of the Earth how is that not empirical evidence and proof of a flat Earth? I can come up with all sorts of "empirical evidence" that's just one point.

As for the drone, how do I protect it from the missiles that will be fired at it if I try and fly it across Antarctica?



Several pages back, I did the actual math as to why, for example, you can clearly see the Chicago skyline at a distance of some ~60 miles.  When you take into account the curvature of light at the horizon, only some ~30-something feet of the skyline will be obfuscated by the curvature of the earth.  At a distance of 60 miles, the effect of light's curvature is so great that you can simply pretend a 500 foot-tall building is something like ~6 times it's actual height.  In other words, it's like a 500 foot-tall building is actually 3,000 feet tall, and you're observing that 3000 foot-tall building at a distance of 60 miles, which you would clearly see.

The math used by flat earthers to say "you shouldn't see the skyline at a distance of 60 miles" is flawed as hell as the other factors not taken into account perfectly explain why we see what we see.  Educate yourself, do the math yourself, and be amazed at the round earth.

(For some explanation, light bends about 0.5 degrees of arc at the horizon whereas a 500 foot-tall building occupies only about 0.08 degrees of arc at a distance of 60 miles, or 1/6th as much.  This means you can account for the bending of light by imagining the building is 6 times taller than it is and then calculating how much you would expect to see due to curvature.  For taller buildings which occupy more perceptual scope, it would be less than 6 times; for shorter buildings, it would be more than 6 times.)

Here:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1009045.msg12645979#msg12645979
105  Other / Off-topic / Re: [CONFIRMED] Flat Earth on: November 17, 2015, 10:24:01 PM
Lmao, oh so this is "confirmed" now?  Hilarious.

Google --> search "fly over Antarctica" --> http://www.antarcticaflights.com.au --> book flight --> fly over South Pole --> lol

So why can't I rent a private jet and fly across Antarctica myself?

There's penguins and ice, why am I being met with military force?



I can't enter the premises of the White House without being met by force, either.  Doesn't mean the Earth is flat. I don't know what would possess someone to think that just because you can't go somewhere except under certain circumstances that it necessarily means the earth is flat.  You should see the obvious logical disconnect, there.  The gap is wider than the plane for the flight you can book to actually go there.

But the fact that there are *authorized* flights that will take you directly over and beyond the South Pole creates some serious problems for the flat earth map, wouldn't you agree?  Regular people like you and me do it all the time.

Edit:  A better question you should be asking might be, "Why can I book a flight and travel over and beyond the South Pole if flat earthers claim this is impossible?"
106  Other / Off-topic / Re: [CONFIRMED] Flat Earth on: November 17, 2015, 09:21:42 PM
Lmao, oh so this is "confirmed" now?  Hilarious.

Google --> search "fly over Antarctica" --> http://www.antarcticaflights.com.au --> book flight --> fly over South Pole --> lol
107  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The road to the End of Religion: How sex will kill God on: October 17, 2015, 11:14:15 PM
If your religion is a failure than it does not means that whole of this phenomenon is a failure
All religions are failed sciences. Religion and science seek the same thing: to explain existence, give us purpose and meaning. Religion just makes up the answers, while science is the only surefire method of pattern recognition.

Correct, science is a surefire method of pattern recognition, and it exceeds at this because it makes the blanket assumption that observation does not causally effect what it observes.  This assumption is scientifically unfalsifiable.


That's your argument? That's really what you brought to my fucking table?



How shamefully sophomoric. Take that weakass shit back to seventh grade philosophy class where it belongs, kid. This is the internet. You're a goddamn disgrace.

This "sophomoric" assumption is sophomoric because you need to know its implications.  Could you enlighten me as to why it's not an issue? 
108  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: October 17, 2015, 06:05:23 PM
Video: Flat Earth Baby!!

Huffington Post: Mom Gives Birth Prematurely During A 19-Hour Flight

"A Taiwanese woman went into labor and gave birth to a baby girl during a 19-hour flight from Taiwan to Los Angeles last week....When the expectant mother went into labor, pilots diverted the plane to make an emergency landing in Anchorage, Alaska, but the baby was born about 30 minutes before they touched down...."




Makes sense, considering Taiwan is ~2,000 miles closer to Anchorage than Los Angeles on a globe. 
109  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: October 15, 2015, 03:06:11 PM
Guns should exist, people should have a right to have them for hunting or protection.

The community should have the right to qualify people to own guns through a background check along with a standard test of laws and gun safety. If we regulate who can drive a car we should absolutely regulate who can operate a gun. When crazy people stop getting their hands on guns we can revisit the requirement for regulation.

That's my opinion.


Yes, we regulate cars heavily.  We check for adequate vision, administer written and road tests, impose restrictions for criminals or the disabled, etc.  And we still have tons of DUIs and related accidents/deaths. 
110  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: October 13, 2015, 04:30:49 PM
Actually, if you have ever been on the ocean or another large body of water you can see the curvature of the earth. Look out at a boat on the ocean as it moves away from you

As the boat travels away from you it visually moves up towards the vanishing point at the horizon (at eye level). Once it passes the vanishing point the image becomes blocked by the ocean image that rises up to eye level until the boat finally disappears. Physically the boat isn't moving up at all, it's moving forward.

If you look at the horizon it forms a perfectly flat line 360° around you. If you relocate your position so the boat is traveling from right to left or vice-versa and you're at a distance far enough so that the boat is traveling along the horizon you'll notice the boat doesn't fly up off into the sky nor does it dive down into the water.

The line that forms the horizon matches the contour of the ocean and it's perfectly flat. You can see on the ocean an expanse along the horizon that stretches for hundreds of miles and it's flat.

1) A couple pages ago, I did the math showing why we see what we see at the horizon, accounting for both curvature and for the near 0.5 degree arc of light refraction at the horizon.  The vanishing point garbage is nonsense, and easily disproved by a simple picture of a sun setting thousands (millions) of miles behind a ship disappearing over the horizon.

2) At any altitude above the ground, the horizon is *never* at eye-level.  You can calculate, measure, and observe the horizon below eye-level.  I think you're confusing "eye-level" with "looking at the horizon."

3) The horizon is curved at sea-level.  You can measure this; it just looks very flat, and because of earth's size, this is what we expect. It's *not*, however, "perfectly flat."  Again, we can measure this. 

4) The horizon line you see is also not "hundreds of miles."  Not even close.  We can measure this.
111  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: October 11, 2015, 03:58:06 PM
Newton theorized and it is now commonly taught that the Earth’s ocean tides are caused by gravitational lunar attraction. If the Moon is only 2,160 miles in diameter and the Earth 8,000 miles, however, using their own math and “law,” it follows that the Earth is 87 times more massive and therefore the larger object should attract the smaller to it, and not the other way around. If the Earth’s greater gravity is what keeps the Moon in orbit, it is impossible for the Moon’s lesser gravity to supersede the Earth’s gravity, especially at Earth’s sea-level, where its gravitational attraction would even further out-trump the Moon’s. And if the Moon’s gravity truly did supersede the Earth’s causing the tides to be drawn towards it, there should be nothing to stop them from continuing onwards and upwards towards their great attractor.


Oh, and what causes the tides on the other side of the "globe" which are there but not as strong as the side facing the moon.

Lets face it, its all bonkers.

The Earth *does* exert more gravitational pull, hence why the Moon is in orbit around the Earth, and why the oceans stay on earth rather than flying towards the Moon or something.  While the oceans don't fly towards the moon, the moon's gravitational pull *does* attract the oceans towards it as it orbits around the Earth.  This creates a little bulge in the ocean that we call the tide.  Why is the bulge small?  As you pointed out, the Earth is far more massive.
112  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: October 10, 2015, 03:52:58 PM

So much to learn.

If you take the bible references with the waters above and below a lot off things are possible.
Stars are not Sun's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZLf52DQjPc

I dont know about this, it could be a sonoluminescence stuff in the waters above, however it can just be a crappy camera that has bad lenses.

There arent many videos zooming on stars (i wonder why) however in the few i found, the star looks normal, how do you explain this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeVIUC8WpfQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvef_2ak8-s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGlUuIpr8Jg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtvcy0krnoU



Is it nuclear fusion?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWO93G-zLZ0

The age of awakening all working together and thinking ourselves instead of getting spoonfeed we will discover anew.

Wow thats amazing, its really fascinating how well the oil companies hide these technologies so that we will have to use their polluting oil instead of transcending into this new form of free energy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonoluminescence

I guess if by "hiding" you mean "we've been aware of this for more than 80 years," then I guess.
113  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: October 10, 2015, 03:27:28 PM
In either case, the stars are there.  We know they are there because we have both seen them.  What exactly are you thinking about when you look at that rocket video?  Do you think the stars are no longer there or something?  There's nothing suspicious about this whatsoever.  It's an amateur launching a rocket, and stars aren't captured on video; this is not only what we expect to happen, but it's consistent with all other similar videos in which a large body (e.g. the earth/moon) would reflect enough light so as to wash out the rest of the stars, like if you're standing on the moon.

I dont know, i dont have an explanation to it, but it seemed very strange and suspicious.

I heard some theories where the stars were holes in the firmament from where the light comes out, but it is not always open. It may sound crazy, but if the Earth is flat then there is no better explanation that comes to my mind currently.

I`m a very rational person, but i`m also very open minded, so unless I see proof or counterproof, I cannot determine which is true and which isnt.

Here's the thing:  I understand the logic to the idea that you absolutely need to see something for yourself in order to believe it.  But you should also understand the logic behind the requirement for internal consistency of a model in order for that model to be valid in the first place.

Flat earth modeling is done from observations of isolated events, after which explanations are given to these events that completely contradict other explanations; moreover, they (if they're especially ambitious) try to cherry-pick little snippets of physics or mathematics to support their models and either butcher them completely, or fail to synthesize them with all other knowledge of these fields.  This should be evident when the only thing that appears to be a real consensus among all flat earthers is the map.  Everything else is more-or-less up for grabs.

The problem with relying upon simple explanations to our observations is when we can use experiments or concrete mathematics to disprove them.  For example, the simplest explanation to a mirage is that the mirage is actually there, i.e. we see it, therefore it is there.  But mirages are explained through a deeper understanding of light, temperature gradients, angle of perception, etc.  Aiming for a simple explanation is fine, but that explanation must account for all of the data.  In another example, if we were the size of bacteria and were standing on a basketball, the horizon of the basketball would certainly appear flat, but that doesn't make it so.

We have millions upon millions of very, very intelligent people who either study in fields or work in industries relevant to information regarding a spherical earth.   In contrast, we have a few bloggers and YouTubers who virtually never demonstrate through trigonometry, geometry, physics, experimentation, etc., but rather only observation and weak thought-experiments who contend that all of the stuff they don't understand is wrong.  Now *that* should be suspicious!
114  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: October 10, 2015, 02:54:20 PM
Some people claim to have seen the curvature of the Earth out their airplane windows. The glass used in all commercial airplanes, however, is curved to remain flush with the fuselage. This creates a slight effect mixed with confirmation bias people mistake for being the alleged curvature of the Earth. In actuality, the fact that you can see the horizon at eye-level at 35,000 feet out both port/starboard windows proves the Earth is flat. If the Earth were a ball, no matter how big, the horizon would stay exactly where it was and you would have to look DOWN further and further to see the horizon at all. Looking straight out the window at 35,000 feet you should see nothing but "outer-space" from the port and starboard windows, as the Earth/horizon are supposed to be BELOW you. If they are visible at eye level outside both side windows, it’s because the Earth is flat!


You don't know a single thing about trigonometry, geometry, mathematics, perspective, line of sight, or anything actually relevant to anything, do you?

Here's what you did, and by now I'm virtually 100% convinced of it:  1)  You heard all of this flat earth crap, 2) you have no background in any of this stuff, so you just heard more and more of it and started to take other flat earthers' word for it, 3) found more and more flat earthers' who also don't have a clue about anything just spewing this easily refutable garbage, and 4) never at any point bothered to research any of it for yourself to find out if it was actually true.  

At 35,000 feet the angular difference to the horizon on a spherical earth is about 3%.  Stop spreading this crap.
115  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: October 10, 2015, 01:07:08 AM


I`m on the 8th floor, trust me there is no light here if i go out at night on my balcony, the street light below have a radius of maximum 10-20 meters, why i`m at about 50m altitude, the sky is usually black at night, and i saw it last night, there was no clouds nor nothing, just pollution.

So if it is the smog in the city, fine.

But why I can see it in the countyside, yet not outside space, its still a mistery, and this light pollution effect doesnt doesnt seem enough proof.



In either case, the stars are there.  We know they are there because we have both seen them.  What exactly are you thinking about when you look at that rocket video?  Do you think the stars are no longer there or something?  There's nothing suspicious about this whatsoever.  It's an amateur launching a rocket, and stars aren't captured on video; this is not only what we expect to happen, but it's consistent with all other similar videos in which a large body (e.g. the earth/moon) would reflect enough light so as to wash out the rest of the stars, like if you're standing on the moon.
116  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: October 09, 2015, 11:53:47 PM
I watched this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlJ7kdJOTUI

Why are there no stars at all visible, and no satelites at that high altitude?

Plus the void looks ultra dark, in all other images it used to be shows as more colored, in this one its looks ultra dark and scary.
Video is interesting
  • The moon is visible from a place from which it should not on a globe.
  • The lack of anything "hanging" up there (Satellites)
  • The invisible stars
  • The Rocked hitting the "soft" donat style dome barrier at the end and instantly stops spinning (no chance of getting to the hard barrier)


Lmfao, oh yeah dude, I totally need to find a camera that can survive an impact at several times the speed of sound and keep filming.  That totally makes complete sense.
A little help check the bolted part.
What ever it is, the violent spin abruptly stops and some noise is heard.

You're making this up as you go, I understand that.  The Earth has a MyPillow®.

Or...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ejection_charge
117  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: October 09, 2015, 11:26:55 PM

Yes stars emit light, but that light is not going to be registered by the camera when it's being washed out by the light of the Earth which is thousands of times brighter by comparison.  Like I suggested, see how many stars you see around a full moon.  You won't, because the light from the moon washes out the light from the stars.  Or, go near a metropolis and see how many stars you can see with all of the light pollution, and then compare that to when you're out in the country.

I dont know, even if earth has a glow around it, it should not be 360 degree, yes maybe it glows a few kilometers and you dont see a few starts that are behind the edge of the "globe" but not the whole sky.

You didnt saw a single star, not a single one, even Venus the brightest object, nothing.

Haha the metropolis vs countryside analogy sucks, you dont see stars in the metropolis because of the smog not because of the light, my city is ultra polluted, yet you barely see that many lights at night, and i never see any stars.

But when I used to visit my grandma in the countryside it was full of stars, and the countyside was so poor back then that they didnt even had roads, so its was 0 pollution there.

You actually expect to see satellites?  Why?  Satellites are tiny little things flying at >17,000 mph in orbit 1.91 mi/s in geostationary orbit.  They occupy such a tiny volume and are flying around so fast (compared to that rocket which is going virtually straight up)...you actually expect to see them? Are you kidding?

Yes I do,you can see the peak of a mountain easily from that point, so thats what about a 200-300 meter radius, you should also be able to see a 10 meter satelite too even some point that is moving around fast, it should be visible, especially if it's moving fast.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_pollution

If there was a metropolitan blackout, you would see the stars just fine.  If light pollution didn't exist, you would see all the stars during the daytime (from the sun, not from cities).

As far as satellites, geostationary orbit is 1) about 22,236 miles above earth, and 2) above the equator.  All geostationary satellites orbit in a ring around the equator.  So, not only is this rocket more than 22,000 miles away from those satellites in terms of altitude, it is also x miles away from the equator depending on where this guy was when he launched the rocket.

Again, I ask the question, you expect to see satellites in that video, which are probably ~25,000-30,000 miles away from a moving, wobbly camera, which are so tiny, and whose light would also be washed out from the light pollution of the earth?  Seriously...think about this!

Ok but trust me my city is nothing like NY or Las Vegas, there are only a few street lamps on and a few light from windows where people dont sleep, the sky is black, no light, and no stars...(it's the smog man)

Yes when I go to countryside, I can see stars, it is very strange....

So it's the smog. I`m skeptical about this glow theory hiding the stars.
----------------

Ok on the satelite question you have a plausible answer, I`ll accept that for now. But I`m still skeptical about the earth glowing hiding the stars, and the dark dark void at that high altitude.


Edited this:

I'm not sure what your frame of reference is from where you're looking.  Pollution could certainly have an effect, but if you're looking up at the sky from near a streetlight or something, then that streetlight will still cause light pollution even if it's just a single one.  To that extent, it depends how close you are to it.

Did you look at the photos to the right in the "light pollution" link?  Look at the photo comparing a rural town to a metropolis.


118  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: October 09, 2015, 11:12:16 PM

Yes stars emit light, but that light is not going to be registered by the camera when it's being washed out by the light of the Earth which is thousands of times brighter by comparison.  Like I suggested, see how many stars you see around a full moon.  You won't, because the light from the moon washes out the light from the stars.  Or, go near a metropolis and see how many stars you can see with all of the light pollution, and then compare that to when you're out in the country.

I dont know, even if earth has a glow around it, it should not be 360 degree, yes maybe it glows a few kilometers and you dont see a few starts that are behind the edge of the "globe" but not the whole sky.

You didnt saw a single star, not a single one, even Venus the brightest object, nothing.

Haha the metropolis vs countryside analogy sucks, you dont see stars in the metropolis because of the smog not because of the light, my city is ultra polluted, yet you barely see that many lights at night, and i never see any stars.

But when I used to visit my grandma in the countryside it was full of stars, and the countyside was so poor back then that they didnt even had roads, so its was 0 pollution there.

You actually expect to see satellites?  Why?  Satellites are tiny little things flying at >17,000 mph in orbit 1.91 mi/s in geostationary orbit.  They occupy such a tiny volume and are flying around so fast (compared to that rocket which is going virtually straight up)...you actually expect to see them? Are you kidding?

Yes I do,you can see the peak of a mountain easily from that point, so thats what about a 200-300 meter radius, you should also be able to see a 10 meter satelite too even some point that is moving around fast, it should be visible, especially if it's moving fast.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_pollution

If there was a metropolitan blackout, you would see the stars just fine.  If light pollution didn't exist, you would see all the stars during the daytime (from the sun, not from cities).

As far as satellites, geostationary orbit is 1) about 22,236 miles above earth, and 2) above the equator.  All geostationary satellites orbit in a ring around the equator.  So, not only is this rocket more than 22,000 miles away from those satellites in terms of altitude, it is also x miles away from the equator depending on where this guy was when he launched the rocket.

Again, I ask the question, you expect to see satellites in that video, which are probably ~25,000-30,000 miles away from a moving, wobbly camera, which are so tiny, and whose light would also be washed out from the light pollution of the earth?  Seriously...think about this!
119  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: October 09, 2015, 11:05:58 PM
I watched this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlJ7kdJOTUI

Why are there no stars at all visible, and no satelites at that high altitude?

Plus the void looks ultra dark, in all other images it used to be shows as more colored, in this one its looks ultra dark and scary.
Video is interesting
  • The moon is visible from a place from which it should not on a globe.
  • The lack of anything "hanging" up there (Satellites)
  • The invisible stars
  • The Rocked hitting the "soft" donat style dome barrier at the end and instantly stops spinning (no chance of getting to the hard barrier)


Lmfao, oh yeah dude, I totally need to find a camera that can survive an impact at several times the speed of sound and keep filming.  That totally makes complete sense.
120  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: October 09, 2015, 10:45:55 PM
I watched this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlJ7kdJOTUI

Why are there no stars at all visible, and no satelites at that high altitude?

Plus the void looks ultra dark, in all other images it used to be shows as more colored, in this one its looks ultra dark and scary.

http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae323.cfm

TL;DR: Starlight is too faint and it gets washed out by the brightness of Earth.  Look around a full moon and see how many stars you see...or, rather, won't see.

Thats bullshit, the stars emit light too,directly, according to the traditional theories, you dont need the sun's light to refract from it and lighten it.

What about the satelites? The video showed more or less a 360 degree shot of earth's orbit up/down/left/right and not a single satelite.

Yes stars emit light, but that light is not going to be registered by the camera when it's being washed out by the light of the Earth which is thousands of times brighter by comparison.  Like I suggested, see how many stars you see around a full moon.  You won't, because the light from the moon washes out the light from the stars.  Or, go near a metropolis and see how many stars you can see with all of the light pollution, and then compare that to when you're out in the country.

You actually expect to see satellites?  Why?  Satellites are tiny little things flying at >17,000 mph in orbit 1.91 mi/s in geostationary orbit.  They occupy such a tiny volume and are flying around so fast (compared to that rocket which is going virtually straight up)...you actually expect to see them? Are you kidding?
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