" well known trader and member of bitcointalk" without real indentification - the most worst among all possible characteristic. In example, hippie tech, muddafuda - also the well known members of bitcointalk  And what? Simply, the one members simulate some respectability, and other don't do it at all. Now it correspondings with coin's value? The hidden Via IPO with first 75bts transactions put them by the one notch. Like the backrolling of vrc blockchain made the coin derelict, the crafty Via IPO makes the Via dev not trustworthy, anymore. So,there are only two coins involves in competition — Crypti and Sys  The pseudo-anonymity is a bit of a concern to me as well. I'm not sure why btcdrak has not disclosed his true identity as this would certainly instill additional trust into him and the project. He may have given a reason and I missed it. The 75 btc investment has been verified to be Otoh, his statement is quite reassuring in my opinion (it is nice to know big investors have long-term confidence in the project). https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=699278.msg7941457#msg7941457 |
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Crypti certainly looks cheap compared to the other two, but if the whole coin supply is out in the open before they even start getting merchants on board they are going to have to rely on a lot of people keeping the faith and holding long term, because supply is going to massively outstrip demand for quite a while. Lots of positivity around it. I think it will rise in the short term after the block chain is launched, but will need to generate a lot of momentum to keep that higher value.
Syscoin looks expensive, but its very unlikely that they will sell all 15% and they won't pre-mine anything which doesn't get sold, so in the short to medium term it will be a much rarer coin. The partnership with Moolah should help drive demand. It has attracted quite a bit of negativity so the price may dip a bit after launch from people changing their mind and panic selling for a loss, but it will have a much better supply to demand ratio which means that in the medium term I see it doing better even if the high price means that the long term maximum potential profits are more limited.
Viacoin I never really caught my eye so I don't know much about it.
I agree, Crypti's price seems much more reasonable since the presale released all the coin supply. But, this could be an issue in itself as you said. Also, Crypti seems to me to be the most experimental and innovative of the three, which is exciting and promising but perhaps more risky as such- I'm curious to see how the new proof systems work out. Partnership with Moolah for Syscoin is nice, at this time it is hard to say whether or not they will reach their goal of 1500 BTC for the pre-sale (only about 200 invested so far). I personally think 1500 BTC for 15% of the supply is too much, but syscoin has demonstrated that some of the functions it promises are already in place and ready for launch, which is nice. I think they are debating changing the block reward schedule too. |
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Three new coins with interesting features have come out around the same time, each with an ICO/Pre-sale. They each have their differences and similarities. I'd like to start a discussion about these coins. Which of these coins seems the most promising and why? Links to coin threadsCrypti: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654463.0Syscoin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=587080.0Viacoin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=699278Very brief overviewCrypti: New source written in node.js Implements three new proof systems (Proof-of-Purchase, Proof-of-Time, Proof-of-Identity) Custom blockchains and SDK Non-anonymous devs Pre-sale complete (~750 BTC raised for 100% of coin supply) Syscoin: Scrypt-based Proof-of-Work Decentralized markets, secure data storage, and digital certificates/assets on the blockchain Non-anonymous devs Pre-sale underway (hopes to raise 1500 BTC for ~15% of coin supply) Viacoin: Scrypt-based Proof-of-Work Implementation of ClearingHouse Pseudoanonymous dev (btcdrak is a well known trader and member of bitcointalk, but I don't think his real identity is disclosed) Pre-sale complete (~610 BTC raised for ~10% of coin supply) Disclaimer: I invested a small amount into each of these three coins during their respective pre-sales. |
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This coin is a joke, right? Only 25 hours of mining... with halving after 500 blocks... and things weren't even ready at launch... How long did the dev get to instamine? Already controls an absurd percentage of the coin I'm sure... Premines are better than this shit.
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I'm also a bit confused what happens if the presale targets aren't met. As is, it appears the coins are being sold at a set price. But if we don't reach the targets, will the whole ICO (15% of supply) be divided up between however much was invested?
No. It's destroyed. Holy fuck. Read the thread. Read the OP. This has been asked and answered a billion times. Did you really think you're the only person that came up with that question? Holy Fuck. You're rude. Where in the OP does it say they will be destroyed? All I see is Q: What if the presale doesn't sell out? Do buyers get the unsold Syscoin? A: No, only what is purchased will be premined and delivered. Buyers get what they pay for. Which is not specific. No I didn't think I am the only person with this question, but I am not going to spend an hour to read the entire thread, sorry. Perhaps it should say they will be destroyed in the OP Q&A. |
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This is vapourware according to syscoin dev. Why are you all investing. How did you get so many Btc. tell us so we can get more for syacoin
lol... also, syscoin already wants 1500btc for their ico... you sure they need more? |
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I'm also a bit confused what happens if the presale targets aren't met. As is, it appears the coins are being sold at a set price. But if we don't reach the targets, will the whole ICO (15% of supply) be divided up between however much was invested?
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Not sure how you arrived at 30,000. With 15% of the total coin being sold for 1500 btc, that would assume a total market cap of 10,000 btc if all the coins were mined but they aren't, and won't be for a while.... Nonetheless, I think 1500 btc is a little much.
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All I see is Guglimugli this, Guglimugli that. This person doesn't even own any of the coin and he is here non-stop acting like he is some voice of the community. Really annoying. Anybody looking at your post history will see it is obvious you were made solely to troll this coin. And you go about it in a manner where you try to seem like a sincere outsider evaluating the coin and the community when in fact you are just a troll, trying to frame the coin, the community, everything in a bad light by aggravating everybody and then resorting to the ad hominem. You're a real piece of work, I wonder who made you. Maybe your creator would like to come on here and speak his mind for himself? Surely your main account would hold more sway, nobody listens to sock-puppet accounts created solely for the purpose of attacking a single coin in particular. Or is your main account one of the ones (the only one) already coming here to bring down the coin (Chang)?
oh boy, you think there is only Chung who does not support your coin? live with that, not everyone will like you...stop crying Prove it, come on here as your real account. Unless you do, you are as good as a Chang sockpuppet. oh please....you should be able to see the difference in our writing.. What a cute joke. Haha anybody can change their writing style, that is probably the dumbest retort you could have given. If you aren't Chang it as simple as coming and posting as your real account, that's the only way you could prove you aren't him. Why not post as you real account anyways? You act like you want people to listen to what you have to say, but nobody is going to listen to an obvious sockpuppet. So which is it, do you actually want people to listen to you or are you just a troll? blah blah blah i just wasted my time reading your post Aww you are stumped! You can't do it, can you!? I wonder why... |
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All I see is Guglimugli this, Guglimugli that. This person doesn't even own any of the coin and he is here non-stop acting like he is some voice of the community. Really annoying. Anybody looking at your post history will see it is obvious you were made solely to troll this coin. And you go about it in a manner where you try to seem like a sincere outsider evaluating the coin and the community when in fact you are just a troll, trying to frame the coin, the community, everything in a bad light by aggravating everybody and then resorting to the ad hominem. You're a real piece of work, I wonder who made you. Maybe your creator would like to come on here and speak his mind for himself? Surely your main account would hold more sway, nobody listens to sock-puppet accounts created solely for the purpose of attacking a single coin in particular. Or is your main account one of the ones (the only one) already coming here to bring down the coin (Chang)?
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I've followed out several scenarios based upon available information.
Here is my chain of logic BASED UPON ALL OF THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE, BE IT TRUE OR FALSE.
WHY? tie the coin to urea, something most people have never even heard of?
Because you have a financial interest in that commodity, as a manufacturer, wholesaler, or retailer.
HOW? does this benefit you? (This was the toughest, and I may not be entirely correct here, but I'm certain that I'm close.)
By creating a network which allows you to bring your product to market faster and cheaper than your competitors. With Government contracts involved, this is a very heavy factor. You will wait some time for payment, but it is guaranteed by the full faith of the national treasury.
WHAT? is the process by which you attain that advantage? You create a system that allows you to avoid Government regulations which require involvement through several layers of Bureaucracy
WHERE? In a country with A. Great market demand OR B. Under-served or expanding markets. (India is still an agricultural economy and has the largest land area under cultivation in the world.) (Pakistan has tense relations with India, and is under-served due to this)
WHEN? The success of Bitcoin as an alternative to fiat currency and the massive influx of new cryptocoins make this the perfect time. There is ample proof if needed in a court of law to prove that cryptocoins are a viable payment method.
WHO? at this point, if the other questions have been answered- IT DOESN'T MATTER. You can be assured that whoever it is is playing their own angle and knows the game
Every time I come here there's a new troll under the bridge.
This is my position on uro. What's your theory mr guglimugli?
Do you even have one? Can you fault my logic? Or are you just here to disrupt the flow of information by picking fights and creating drama?
OH PLS CAN ANYONE HERE TALKS NORMAL OR DO YOU LOOK FOR CYBER FIGHTS? why do you attack me like that? what did I do to you? come on! do you think I care what you say after you came to me like this? Wow a little dramatic don't you think? This qualifies as an attack?: "Every time I come here there's a new troll under the bridge. This is my position on uro. What's your theory mr guglimugli? Do you even have one? Can you fault my logic? Or are you just here to disrupt the flow of information by picking fights and creating drama?" Those look like questions to me... How about you just answer the questions instead of diverting away by crying WAAH WAAH. |
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Your questions have been answered, or simply cannot be answered... nobody knows exactly why markets behave the way they do or can predict how they will behave in the future (if somebody does please tell me so I can become rich without taking any risks). Your guess (if it is educated and you DYOR) is as good as an educated guess by anybody else. It appears to me that you are egging people on, trying to appear sincere when in fact you are trolling. This is corroborated by the fact that you have said you are "ONE OF YOU GUYS" in reference to Scambuster and Chang https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=687231.msg7911531#msg7911531Looking through your post history will also corroborate this assumption of mine. yes, I do not have anything to hide. I have said it few times, I do not hold URO and i came to this forum because I was sceptical. All my posts got deleted and there is no hope for this forum if you keep acting like this. Thats why i moved to another forum. I was told to do that. But honestly, here in this forum you do not get any answers. People just copy/paste some links, talk about the moon, try to hype the others to buy more coins, ..but nobody really opens up a real topic to talk about. And if anybody comes up with some negative thoughts, you all starting acting up crazy. And here we are again, back to non-uro talks., Mr Moderator! Nobody here is trying to hype the coin and people copy/paste links because people ask the same questions over again and the answers are already contained in those links... "No hope for this forum"... well as I think I have pointed out before, the state of this thread won't really matter if this coin is legitimate and comes through on what it promises. Everybody will be too busy panic buying at that point to give a sh*t about this thread. Also, like I said, the place to go if you actually want to discuss URO or just interact with the community is the IRC. But yeah, lets just keep going in circles on here.. that's getting somewhere. |
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I am not asking anybody to tell me how the market will look tomorrow or in a week. I am just here for a discussion with Uro traders. I mean if you would bring anything else worth talking about, I would join you the conversation. stop being so negative! damn, in this forum you can not do anything right.
The real convo happens in the IRC and I would urge anybody who wants to join in to do so there! |
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Dude, you have never posted in another thread besides ones related to URO. And your posts have always been negative or neutral at best. By the looks of it you are an account specifically made to troll URO. Edit: my mistake, you have three posts in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=635824.msg7681674#msg7681674 as well. but thats it. do people forget you can look through post history? It's like looking through Chang's post history and seeing how much he trolled Maidsafecoin and harassed Irvine.. doesn't make his case here look good. |
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Your questions have been answered, or simply cannot be answered... nobody knows exactly why markets behave the way they do or can predict how they will behave in the future (if somebody does please tell me so I can become rich without taking any risks). Your guess (if it is educated and you DYOR) is as good as an educated guess by anybody else. It appears to me that you are egging people on, trying to appear sincere when in fact you are trolling. This is corroborated by the fact that you have said you are "ONE OF YOU GUYS" in reference to Scambuster and Chang https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=687231.msg7911531#msg7911531Looking through your post history will also corroborate this assumption of mine. |
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After much brainstorming I have come up with another idea of how to save our coin. What we do is we rename it "Dollarcoin." Dollarcoins can only be exchanged 1:1 with US dollars. Any exchange that agrees to take this coin MUST only allow it to be bought for $1 and sold for $1. Why? because it is Dollarcoin.  LOL! |
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Wish I had had more to throw into the ICO.. This coin looks promising for the long term. Will probably pick up more on the market. I kind of hope it will dip down to ICO price for that reason |
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Got my eye on this one for sure... seem to be a lot of interesting ICOs going on around now (this, crypti, and viacoin). Will be interesting to see how they all turn out.
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If you really want proof that uro is backed by big business, big money, there is a way to prove this. I have said, previously, based upon my understanding of the available information, that the companies will pay up to 80-85% of the reasonable market value of 1 metric tonne urea. The order book is packed with 5-6-7 btc orders. If you want to know if these are from private party investors, or from corporate exploitation, build a sell wall at .1 btc. Wait about a week or so. If this is, as I suspect, an engineered attempt to secure an extremely profitable government contract by operating in a legal 'gray area", where no decision has been rendered by the courts as to the legal status of cryptocoins as a payment method, and will probably take years to be heard and decide, if it is pressed in the courts ( which I personally think it will be, but this has no bearing on the coin at this time), the buy orders will continue. If there are no buys at this price, then you can lower your sell threshold to the .01 range it's been trading at, and which the market seems to support. If it works, you get at least 10x the pay. If not, you wait a week for your reward. Once the contract has been fulfilled, these people have no use for you, always remember that. To any business human capital is only valuable to the extent that it allows SOMEONE ELSE TO PROFIT FROM THE USE OF YOUR MIND AND BODY. MAKE THEM PAY. THEY WON'T SHARE UNLESS YOU FORCE THEM TO.
That would require all participants of the entire market to act as one... you are saying "you" as though it is a single entity selling. |
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