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1041  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Selling Mystery Box! on: June 12, 2012, 02:36:01 AM
Wow it looks like this is already working, I found two features that could help ease the merchant/customer order process.
Looks like their are two orders I'll go and order something else from the store for the 2nd box I can't believe I forgot about returns I was so wrapped up in anonymity. I guess a solution could be to add a "Return BTC address" and/or email address in the event that something happens.

Okay, but I want the cooler box.... not that you know which order is mine.
haha You have a 50% chance of that happening Tongue
1042  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Selling Mystery Box! on: June 12, 2012, 02:35:29 AM
I'm confused, why are the 32 GB flash drives 12.5 BTC or about $70?

Thats a different merchant selling it for their price. My original new business model was going to operate differently and this new model to allow merchants sign up hasn’t incorporated ratings or the displaying of merchants names quite yet(That's coming in this weeks updates)
1043  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Selling Mystery Box! on: June 12, 2012, 02:33:41 AM
Wow it looks like this is already working, I found two features that could help ease the merchant/customer order process.
Looks like their are two orders I'll go and order something else from the store for the 2nd box I can't believe I forgot about returns I was so wrapped up in anonymity. I guess a solution could be to add a "Return BTC address" and/or email address in the event that something happens.
1044  Economy / Marketplace / Selling Smokers Dream Mystery Box! on: June 12, 2012, 02:15:35 AM
In an effort to Improve my own Cheaper in Bitcoins merchant service, I'm taking a position to selling items as if I was a merchant myself also I want to give out cool stuff.

I'm selling a mystery box -- Can't say whats in it. Could be a big box, could be a small box... or a med size box!!! Either way its only 1 BTC and that doesn’t reflect its value either.

If you are interested please purchase here at: http://cheaperinbitcoins.com/product?id=19
1045  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Electrum - a new thin client on: June 12, 2012, 01:45:07 AM
I'm using electrum as a command line for a java application I wrote so I can't really use the GUI as an answer.


Also what does it mean when i use a payto command it it gives me the following error:
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"Error: transaction rejected by memory pool
Then i get a long sequence of seemingly random letters and numbers.?
1046  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Coming next week-- the world's first handheld Bitcoin device, the Ellet! on: June 11, 2012, 09:03:33 PM
 Plus, the fact that your broadcasting noise would raise questions and it wouldn't be too hard to track down the transmitter to get those questions answered.

And that’s where I get the affirmation that transmitting encrypted through ham radio data is a bust. Glad we talked this out guise.
1047  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Electrum - a new thin client on: June 11, 2012, 09:00:27 PM
Code:
python electrum balance 1BmjGyZ1ZB5y5oupUx2xioNF4WwRn6BXXe
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1BmjGyZ1ZB5y5oupUx2xioNF4WwRn6BXXe 0

http://blockchain.info/address/1BmjGyZ1ZB5y5oupUx2xioNF4WwRn6BXXe

Maybe I should use a different server? How do i get the electrum server list? and I don't know the arguments for changing hosts by heart help please!

it was a server problem.
(the gui displays "server not ready")
the text mode should display it too.

I don't see any command line arguments for using a different electrum server host, do i have to reseed the wallet to change this?
all this terminology got meh head spinning..
1048  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin: Mark of the Beast? on: June 11, 2012, 07:01:41 PM
PS. How to you prevent "Stolen" coins from reaching your address unknowingly?
Considering the government can send you tainted BTCs to anyone and then be say they have proof your doing business with a felon or terrorist or w/e scary people are called these days.

Anyone could do it.

1. Create a wallet that can't be traced back to yourself.
2. Report a bitcoin theft and send those coins to the anonymous wallet.
3. Wait for the coins to be marked as tainted.
4. Send a satoshi to anyone you want to get in trouble.
5. Report this "suspicious" activity and call for an investigation/audit.

See i didn't even think of that -- and that is a very scary scenario -- my own neighbors could hate me and send me to jail nice point edd.
1049  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Coming next week-- the world's first handheld Bitcoin device, the Ellet! on: June 11, 2012, 06:53:20 PM
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would the Ellet be able to talk the Bitcoincard protocol.  That's the real question.
I don't see how anything standard would be able to talk to that non-standard device. I guess we could go out of our way to add specific hardware to our device that would allow it to talk to bitcoincard, but I don't see any company would do that that didn't have a contract directly with the other company. Put in other words, do iPhones have built in receivers for ham radio?


Technically, yes they do.  A standard wifi chip is capable of transmitting & receiving in the nearby ham band (I beleive 70cm band IIRC) and use of these features require a ham callsign to be transmitted with the SSID.  There are two channels available, and are traditionally called Zero and -1, since they are on that side of the unlicensed wifi band.  Unlockling these capabilities, at a minumum requires rooting your phone, though.  In the ham world, this is commonly called the 'Hinternet'.  Google is your friend.
I have found nothing on google about "iphone" and "hinternet" Sad

Also, the FCC doesn't allow encryption.  I know the standard bitcoin protocol doesn't use encryption, but does the ellet's use of the electrum protocol?

Now I really want to get out my HAM equipment.

I'm interested in see facts about the FCC not allowing encryption.
Also How would they prove the "static" they are hearing is encrypted code awaiting to be decrypted?
i think you would still be able to hear 1&0's. it would not be static.

Depends if you sent the values in analog or digital format Wink
true, but not if its encrypted. encrypted means digital.
if your gonna obfuscate analog signals, its called scrambling. Wink
I was under the impression scrambling is just a measure to prevent anyone from just "listening in" by turning on their ham radio--I'm talking about the following

Digital Represented values are encrypted into a Digital format by a key the receiver already knows.
The digital encrypted message is converted into analog values that are represented by a key table that the receiver already knows.
Now the sender broadcasts the message in analog(sound/light spectrum) but it isn't represented with two values, instead it is represented by the whole analog spectrum.
The receiver decodes the analog signal with a key table... Then decrypts the signal into digital represented values.

Im not sure what my "theory" would make the broadcast sound like to a listener but at least it doesn't sound like off and on ticks and thus the FCC would get a signal but it would be static... so the FCC could prove a signal is coming from somewhere but not know why they are broadcasting static Tongue (of course im still assuming my broadcast would sound like static or weird noises of some sort... makes me want to try it out...)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrambler
Wikipedia gives me the impression scrambling is just packets of analog signals moved in different positions in the timeline where the reciever has a decoder that buffers packets and then puts them in the correct order for play back.

I'm interested in your opinion because you seem to know what your talking about.
1050  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Coming next week-- the world's first handheld Bitcoin device, the Ellet! on: June 11, 2012, 06:32:29 PM
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would the Ellet be able to talk the Bitcoincard protocol.  That's the real question.
I don't see how anything standard would be able to talk to that non-standard device. I guess we could go out of our way to add specific hardware to our device that would allow it to talk to bitcoincard, but I don't see any company would do that that didn't have a contract directly with the other company. Put in other words, do iPhones have built in receivers for ham radio?


Technically, yes they do.  A standard wifi chip is capable of transmitting & receiving in the nearby ham band (I beleive 70cm band IIRC) and use of these features require a ham callsign to be transmitted with the SSID.  There are two channels available, and are traditionally called Zero and -1, since they are on that side of the unlicensed wifi band.  Unlockling these capabilities, at a minumum requires rooting your phone, though.  In the ham world, this is commonly called the 'Hinternet'.  Google is your friend.
I have found nothing on google about "iphone" and "hinternet" Sad

Also, the FCC doesn't allow encryption.  I know the standard bitcoin protocol doesn't use encryption, but does the ellet's use of the electrum protocol?

Now I really want to get out my HAM equipment.

I'm interested in see facts about the FCC not allowing encryption.
Also How would they prove the "static" they are hearing is encrypted code awaiting to be decrypted?
i think you would still be able to hear 1&0's. it would not be static.

Depends if you sent the values in analog or digital format Wink
1051  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The BitcoinCard : Vienna, Austria Workshop on: June 11, 2012, 06:29:44 PM
Forgive me if this was answered but: How do i take my private keys off your device(or put them on?) when I'm done with it? or do I get provided with a select amount of Addresses that I have to be forced to send Bitcoins to my own "privately" owned address?

I ask because if i can't remove or add my private keys I can't trust the device with my Bitcoins.
1052  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Coming next week-- the world's first handheld Bitcoin device, the Ellet! on: June 11, 2012, 06:22:26 PM
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would the Ellet be able to talk the Bitcoincard protocol.  That's the real question.
I don't see how anything standard would be able to talk to that non-standard device. I guess we could go out of our way to add specific hardware to our device that would allow it to talk to bitcoincard, but I don't see any company would do that that didn't have a contract directly with the other company. Put in other words, do iPhones have built in receivers for ham radio?


Technically, yes they do.  A standard wifi chip is capable of transmitting & receiving in the nearby ham band (I beleive 70cm band IIRC) and use of these features require a ham callsign to be transmitted with the SSID.  There are two channels available, and are traditionally called Zero and -1, since they are on that side of the unlicensed wifi band.  Unlockling these capabilities, at a minumum requires rooting your phone, though.  In the ham world, this is commonly called the 'Hinternet'.  Google is your friend.
I have found nothing on google about "iphone" and "hinternet" Sad

Also, the FCC doesn't allow encryption.  I know the standard bitcoin protocol doesn't use encryption, but does the ellet's use of the electrum protocol?

Now I really want to get out my HAM equipment.

I'm interested in see facts about the FCC not allowing encryption.
Also How would they prove the "static" they are hearing is encrypted code awaiting to be decrypted?
1053  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin: Mark of the Beast? on: June 11, 2012, 06:20:24 PM
From my understanding of the "Mark of the Beast". I've had scholars tell me the "Mark" wont be anything that someone could just read from the bible and say "Oh that's the mark of the beast! Lets not participate in that!". I've been told it was something that won't be an actual mark either(which could be the possibility of Bitcoin addresses attached to your "legal identity").

As hardcore christian I use to be and believe all that stuff; Recent life changing experiences(including near death and ego death experiences) has shown me their is something far much greater on the other side then what is written from any book. With that said, this scenario of the government tracking my Bitcoins, from one traceable address would make life pretty difficult especially if I lost my private key or my wallet usb stick got lost or stolen.


PS. How to you prevent "Stolen" coins from reaching your address unknowingly?
Considering the government can send you tainted BTCs to anyone and then be say they have proof your doing business with a felon or terrorist or w/e scary people are called these days.
1054  Economy / Marketplace / Cheaper In bitcoins (GLBSE Reports) on: June 11, 2012, 04:39:29 AM
I will be posting updates on Cheaper In Bitcoins (CIB) about profits this thread is locked but will be regularly updated. (create another thread for discussions)
Stocks Link: https://glbse.com/asset/view/CHEAPERINBITCOINS-STOCKS

Some recap history.

1st month costs:
Wholesale access cost: -$250
Domains (-$72):
--CHEAPERINBITCOINS.COM
--CHEAPERINCOINS.COM
--CHEAPERINCOINS.NET
--CHEAPERWITHBITCOIN.COM
--CHEAPERWITHBITCOINS.COM
--CHEAPERWITHCOINS.COM

2nd & 3rd month costs
(If memory serves I made the estimated in profit of products total)
+0.5 BTC

Gap Until June

June 2012 Progress Report
0.3475BTC (http://bitcoinadvertisers.com) Ad Revenue
1 BTC (Xenland) MysteryBox Profits
0.0495BTC (http://bitcoinadvertisers.com) Ad Revenue

Stocks Link: https://glbse.com/asset/view/CHEAPERINBITCOINS-STOCKS
1055  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Electrum - a new thin client on: June 11, 2012, 02:49:06 AM
Code:
python electrum balance 1BmjGyZ1ZB5y5oupUx2xioNF4WwRn6BXXe
Quote
1BmjGyZ1ZB5y5oupUx2xioNF4WwRn6BXXe 0

http://blockchain.info/address/1BmjGyZ1ZB5y5oupUx2xioNF4WwRn6BXXe

Maybe I should use a different server? How do i get the electrum server list? and I don't know the arguments for changing hosts by heart help please!
1056  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Coming next week-- the world's first handheld Bitcoin device, the Ellet! on: June 11, 2012, 02:07:59 AM
Is this device real?

Elletsys.com won't load. Kickstarter finds nothing when searching or Ellet. Anybody know the creators?
I'm not at liberty to say  Cool
1057  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Coming next week-- the world's first handheld Bitcoin device, the Ellet! on: June 10, 2012, 01:46:09 PM
Problem is not *your* phone getting hacked but some bitcoin price widget that is installed on millions of phones turn into a bitcoin steal widget sending all the money from all those phones home.

If I'm not mistaken, Android applications are sandboxed and do not have access to other applications private data.

good point.

makes me wonder why their even is an anti-virus built into android then....
1058  Other / Off-topic / Re: What are you listen ( for Music ) right now? on: June 10, 2012, 01:40:40 PM
Ministry of Sound - Clubbers Guide

Nice! I love MOS too!


I jus had to post this Gem I found from spotify it has excellent guitar riffs for the non-psytrance peeps so everyone should be able to take a liking to it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBsbWgi4tcM
DON"T TOUCH THE WIRES, DON"T TOUCH THE WIRES!! CUZ THEIR AINT NOT FUSE!!! 380volt -- set the skin on Fi iii i ii ii rrr r eeeeee .....
1059  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Coming next week-- the world's first handheld Bitcoin device, the Ellet! on: June 09, 2012, 03:33:57 AM
Subbed.

A)I believe I have missed something. I've read through 6 pages of post. I don't see anywhere where it verifies the person sending you the bitcoins actually has them. Can I make a copy of my wallet at one point in time, clone it to a second SDCARD, put it on 2 ellets and send money to 2 people? It doesn't store the blockchain. So if you are in a place with no wireless and no cellular, I can't possibly see how you can't clone your wallet and spend twice. I mean hell, someone can find a way to open one, kill the antennae, and just walk around spending a bucket load of money at say a trade convention. Lets go a step further. Find the spectrum this uses and kill it with a jammer. You could walk around all day just going "oh look, no signal here. Have 30 bucks" and disappear into the shadows.

B) As others said. The name isn't very good, but whatever. It doesn't flow if you ask me.

C) This will be hacked. Saying it can't, just makes you a bigger target. This deals with money, you already have a large mark on your back. See: iphone, onstar, etc

D) I'd say an app I can put on any phone I'm already I'm carrying in my pocket would be a huge plus. I'm not opposed to another device, depending on the size. When you carry a gun in one pocket, earbuds,gum,cellphone in another and a wallet in one back pocket, you really don't wan't to have leave an implant in the other cheek.

E) If you can get it to the right size and display the time, this would make a great watch replacement. Heck, I still might build a strap to keep it on my wrist, no worries about theft under a long shirt then.

EDIT:F) Accept credit cards. I got a square up device a bit ago. This is awesome for me when I'm at shows. Instant payment that everyone already has, especially when they don't carry around a few $100 in cash. As for the fee, I add it to their total.
As far as "A" goes you mis understand how transactions are proccesed with lite bitcoin clients. This device verifies from multiple servers to increase confidence and will output the level of confidence it has when sending,recieivng or checking balances. Something bitcoindcard dosent have the proccessing power to check for(although that is an assumption about bitcoincard specs i could be wrong)
1060  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Cheaper In Bitcoins | Giving away prizes! | Beta Phase on: June 08, 2012, 09:38:51 PM
Hey,

seems a lot better. I'm still missing:

 - password change (I chose really bad one I can't remember)
 - empty categories should not be shown
 - shipping costs.
 - shipping address in profile.

Keep the good work!
Excellent suggestions, I will be adding those along with another feature a merchant request which was the "Analytics" page for merchants to see how well their products are doing and how their customers reached (or exited) the page. Thanks mate!
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