Darkcoin is the clear market leader in anonymous-oriented coins, and is the oldest and furthest along in development. Per the Buffett rule that makes it the most attractive investment in this niche. As the the size of the niche, consider the following:
1. Companies dealing with crypto in their finances will not want competitors viewing all their transaction details. With Bitcoin (etc), every time an accounting dept. employee left Company A for Company B (or just wanted to sell secrets for cash), Company A's finances would be laid bare. So anonymity will be a Corporate Standard going forward - not some obscure niche for drug deals.
2. Likewise, don't assume governments will be hostile to anonymity. They can use it too. I can imagine some heated arguments right about now between NSA types wanting to ban it, while CIA managers across the table yell "NO!, we're using it to pay off informants and finance our operations in Whateveristan!" Who invented TOR, after all? Darkcoin is to money what TOR is to information transfer.
The same logic for #1 applies to just about everyone. Do you want your finances scrutinized by nosy neighbors? Sure, you can try to keep your accounts private, but I imagine there will be plenty of times that kind of info leaks out for a variety of reasons, and then you are exposed. So anonymity is for EVERYONE. We will all be wanting it. The only question now is how to most efficiently provide it. For now Darkcoin is the clear leader.
It might top out today. Or it might be the coin that displaces Bitcoin, assuming a couple things happen just right. All I know is that it is only at a fraction of its potential now, pumps notwithstanding.
Darkcoin is a BTC clone with gimmicks. No one with half a brain will be using this to move money from A to B through nodes ran on some guy's mother basement that happened to luck out with the linux instamine if his life depended on it. Anything that Evan does can be copied by the BTC dev team if they think it's good enough and they will (self admited), unless he keeps all the stuff closed source, which consequently makes it a no-no and no one will trust it. Not that I think he will come up with anything revolutionary after promising ring signatures in V2 then back peddling. On the other hand, they will never be able to copy cryptonote technology. Ring signatures are superior and solve all the centralized-like problems, the blockchain bloat thing is nothing but FUD. I dont care if you are using MRO (the best option right now) or any of the cryptonote forks, they are all better options than a BTC fork. |
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I'm speculating that Monero is bullshit and will go to .00000001 based on the quality of the "community" involved.
Whenever a new coin has a pack of rabid, flame-retardant fanboys foaming at the mouth over it in trollboxes and forums worldwide, it gives me pause. Most of the time these people don't even know they are brainwashed and pumping on behalf of a larger, more powerful entity who will soon hang them out to dry.
I've watched this play out least ten times in the last 2 months, and nobody learns a thing. Different coin, same mind control techniques, same pump and dump. The only thing that ever changes is the name of the coin.
This is irrelevant. What matters in the long run is if the technology efficiently covers a necessity. Privacy is a big, big necessity these days. If the MRO devs keep it solid and the hard work goes on and it turns out a solid product that addresses all of the privacy problems within monetary transactions (what BTC originally intended by failed to do so), do the math. This is how real value is created, nothing of this hyped out pumps shit. Just give it time. |
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Monero = fair launch, veteran team making great progress, current #1 anon crypto (besides the hyped out Bitcoin fork known as DRK)
Bytecoin = shitty secret launch on deep web, lucky to implement cryptonote before anyone else, horrible optimization of the software (I was not able to use the software or mine until MRO team optimized it).
QCN = direct clone of the MRO code, im not sure if the devs can come up with decent stuff or they will keep forking MRO
FCN = seems like another fork but at least they are contributing with novelty stuff like merge mining, so if QCN went up FCN will go up for sure. It's on my radar.
Also, notice how people that want to do a cryptonote coin, will be forking MRO and not BCN.
Make your own decisions.
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I'm freaking out because it's not going back up, you know it, i know it. It's like they said, its just a pump and dump.
And I got taken. Yah I needed to learn this lesson like I need a hole in my head.
I put everything I had because I heard all the stories, because everyone said its the biggest steady rise since bitoin, a lot of people made a lot of money with this coin. But I lost. Hope you all enjoy taking the milk from my baby's bottle, I'm finished with this.
I wanted to get in and get out and put it back in bitcoin. but then it dropped and i waited, and it dropped more, and i still waited. Im still waiting, i cant accept this. i dont want to sell it. i dont know what to do, if I can get .0269 for it, at least i can break even. i cant afford a loss like this.
Dude, DRK is a bitcoin fork with a couple gimmicks, wise up. Bitcoin devs could copy and integrate everything that evan can come up for, on the other hand they can never copy cryptonote technology. Just look at things with perspective. Up or down, you are taking big risks with BTC, let alone an alt. |
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You've put your entire life savings at the top of a pump on a coin that is based around closed source shenanigans? I would never do that, but if wanted to bet I would have put it on MRO which is based on solid tech, and has more room for growth. In any case, bad, bad idea to buy during an insane pump, the hype always dies down. Honestly, I have no idea what I would do, probably cash out as soon as possible. Dude you are nuts to let yourself go with the hype like that, even if it goes up again, it's just stupid. Independently of Darkcoin being a shitcoin or not, it's not the developer's fault you did the stupid move of risking your money like that.
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Voter pour FCN à ajouter à échanger ici https://comkort.com/vote#FCNFCN ont été ajoutés à l'échange de swaphole.com!En cours Concours de logo peut être trouvée ICISoloMiner sujet de discussion: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=611121.0Spécifications:- Algorithme de PoS: CryptoNight (CPU 64-bit uniquement); - 60 blocs sec; - La courbe d'émission 22 = > 50 % des pièces seront émises en 6 ans; - Bloc récompense diminue en fonction de la formule (264 - 1 - A) * 2-22 * 10-12 où A = Alimentation extrait à ce jour; - Difficulté retargets chaque bloc; - Fusionné minière Bytecoin (BCN), Monero (BMR, MRO), QuazarCoin ou toute pièce de monnaie sur la base du CN. Nouveau blockchain doit pas hashpower supplémentaires - il utilise Bytecoin/BCN, Monero/MRO, blocs QuazarCoin/QCN ou des actions comme PoS. Les mineurs sont libres de choisir "donneur" chaîne qu'ils aiment. En cas d'autres chaînes basées sur CryptoNote apparaissent, ils peuvent également être utilisés comme des chaînes "donateurs". Téléchargements:Linux binaries https://mega.co.nz/#!JJVWCQhL!F6hQEvc_l8QD8NRbl8jOPCbSsWcmDlLzXAXOE67M18kWindows binaries https://mega.co.nz/#!UVkH3SSb!1s-qprkfCEvvIqD0mlkVwEOYieGSkudsnybqljYzYC4Win-32 binaries https://mega.co.nz/#!IANWlZob!HM45TigJhol5-LbMnn4nG4eaYlQoszyU1h2gvjBnDRAOSX: https://mega.co.nz/#!hdlTGAKC!3wm4Te3-nsM09N5x4_fR9WT1KB3zvglQpHTacGgTEsMSource https://github.com/amphibia/fantomcoinSite officiel: http://fantomcoin.org/Site CryptoNote: https://cryptonote.org/inside.phpBytecoin OP: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=512747BitMonero OP: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563821.0Giveaway: http://altcoingiveaways.com/index.php/topic,1572.0.htmlÉchange de gré à gré: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=608810.0Fonds de développement FCN: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=608977.0Si vous voulez aider à la promotion, develpoing plus loin et ainsi de suite, les pls me PM! Premières instructions minières fusionnées pour ceux qui ne veulent pas l'interface graphique:Tout d'abord être sûr de deux choses: - Vous avez l'adresse BCN/MRO/QCN. Si vous ne savez pas comment l'obtenir, s'il vous plaît visitez cette discussion: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=544715
- Vous avez téléchargé les fichiers binaires et les FantomCoin extrait quelque part.
1. Lancer le daemon de QuazarCoin/Bitmonero/Bytecoin et attendre sa synchronisation. 2. Démarrez le démon de FantomCoin . Le processus est très similaire à de BCN: ligne de commande de lancement , accédez au dossier de droite et le lancement fantomoind.exe. Utilisez " sauver " commande après la synchronisation  3. Créer l'adresse FCN. Encore une fois c'est le même processus pour BCN, MRO et QCN: ouvrir une autre instance de ligne de commande , accédez au dossier de Fantomcoin et générer de nouvelles portefeuille avec "simplewallet". simplewallet --generate-new-wallet=example_wallet.bin --pass=12345Voici "example_wallet.bin" est le nom de la pochette (extension utilisation .bin de fichier) et "12345" est le mot de passe pour votre nouveau portefeuille. 4. Un plus la ligne de commande est nécessaire. Naviguez jusqu'au dossier de Fantomcoin et lancer minerc.exe en utilisant la commande suivante: minerc --node1=127.0.0.1:8081 --node2=127.0.0.1:24081 --wallet1=%votre adresse BCN/MRO/QCN% --wallet2=%votre adresse FCN% --node1=127.0.0.1:8081 est IP et le port du démon de BCN. Si vous voulez MM avec MRO vous devez utiliser celui-ci: --node1=127.0.0.1:18081 place --node2=127.0.0.1:24081 est IP et le port du démon de FCN 5. Profitez de l'exploitation minière fusionnée!
Minière fusionné avec une interface graphique:1. Démarrez les démons et assurez-vous qu'ils sont synchronisés avec le réseau. Utilisez la commande de sauvegarde après. 2. Lancer GUI mineur. Ajouter BCN/MRO et adresses FCN au champ droit. Cliquez sur "Démarrer" 3. PROFIT!
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My question is.. why the BCN team doesn't join forces with MRO as one? BCN will forever have the stigma of one of the dodgiest coin launches ever. MRO on the other hand has been improving the software a lot so quick and has been on the clearnet from the begining, so why not join forces? Everyone I talk to they say they aren't touching BCN because of the 80% mined coins in secret.
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I can't find Zerocoin on an exchange anywhere..
Where can I trade btc for zerocoin?
Zerocoin is a protocol, and not one I would trust. Monero is the only legit anonymous coin, Fantomcoin has the same technology so you can bet on it. These are good alternatives to the Bytecoin scam. |
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NetCash
InterCash
CashCoin
CoinCash
BoolCoin
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Looking to maybe get in on DRK but looking for answers to these questions first.
Is there anything that makes DRK harder to clone than other coins?
Are there currently any DRK clones?, or clones in the works?
DarkSend is closed source which is another reason I wouldn't hold this coin long term. |
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Now now, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. What is the marginal return of one CPU hour mining on your favorite fork just a few weeks after it started? Bitcoin's difficulty hasn't ever grown faster than doubling in a month or so, it's never been a gigantic bonza where someone a few weeks before you was getting 100x more. It wasn't launched with a difficulty thousands of times below what the surrounding network could support (quite the opposite: the bitcoin network wasn't fast enough to justify the minimum difficulty in the first year).
It's pretty easy to create an fork that while announced is still a huge windfall for the initial people on it. Perhaps less of a windfall is better, but at least— as far as we known with Bytecoin the receivers of the windfall are the people who wrote the software, enabling everyone else (including the fork to use it).
This is part of the reasons for decisions are somewhat unstable. Anyone can create a fork, why is one more righteous than another? Especially when all you a generally similar launch approach which rewards the people in the first _days_ much more than those who came later... It's not clear how one can fairly launch a scarce asset cryptocoin today now that people know and expect them to be valuable (even moreso than they actually are, often).
We already know you are among that group of early BCN miners, but nothing that you can say will justify this coin's dodgy launch. Quark is an example of the future of this coin for the same reasons. Btw, I wasn't able to use this software until the MRO team came and optimized it. The bloat from Bytecoin was horrid. Mining was horrible. DRK was instamined heavily as well. I made a lot of cash with it but I wouldn't hold long term for obvious reasons. How Evan backpeddled after promising "ring signatures in V2" is plain laughable. I don't see any other anonymous coins being worth investing long term beside MRO. The other forks don't seem to be formed by a team of veterans. Then we have Zerocoin/Zerocash and their ridiculous idea of needing to trust a 3rd party will delete something that can give access to 100% of the coins. No thanks. |
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I can see it now. There is only shitclones like monero what implemented a quarter of what is need it to became a true anonymous coin . This is as dumb as saying DRK is a clone of BTC. DRK uses BTC as a base MRO uses BCN as a base get your facts straight. |
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I hope Darksend Masternode investors did their homework on Ring Signature technology. When coins already exist (Monero) that are more anonymous than Darkcoin/Darksend without requiring centralized nodes only accessible to those rich enough to afford the arbitrary amount, it stands to topple your whole system.
Monero is like a decentralized Darkcoin if you think about it.
This  Price will go easy over 0.01 Funny, because Monero's Ring Signatues have horrible scaling/bloating issues. Darkcoin's Masternodes are already as anonymous as the Ring Sigs, and don't forget Evan is going to implement Ring Sigs and I2P. Monero is left behind in the dust. Evan already basically admited he can't implement ring signatures RC3 Progress ReportI've had some substantial progress on DarkSend and have figured out how to make our existing system as secure as ring signatures. Vastly improved security, no bloat (from the ring signatures) and without actually having to trust new cryptography (it hasn't been extensively tested like what DarkSend uses) . So I think it'll give us a HUGE advantage in the coming months. More to come soon, I'm going to start implementing this tomorrow.  The scam starts to unveil. |
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You are just a holder clueless about actual cryptography and technology and it shows.
So far you have shown lack of knowledge and zero proof for any of your claims. You are not responding to the arguments which are presented to you. Therefore, you are ignored now. This community is starting to look like the Blackcoin cult. |
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All I know is I'd rather have a dedicated dev with a real name and face associated with the project that has continued to deliver vs some fly-by-night dev hiding behind the mask of a username with little dedication and a keen ability of copying and pasting code. Again, tell me one other dev that has committed to at least January 2016 towards the development of their coin, continues to achieve and exceed targets, and is openly transparent. Shockingly, I can only think of one.
Yeah, Satoshi Nakamoto made Bitcoin a failure. |
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I know Warren Buffett isn't a friend of Alts - but he did give some good advice that is applicable here - he taught to buy the market leader in each niche. For anonymous crypto that is currently DARK. The others like Monero are far behind, and even if they have good ideas, either other competitors will beat them, or Dark will simply steal their ideas and implement them as well or better (I have a high opinion of the Dark dev). Either way it's foolish to invest in the distant also-rans rather than Dark, IMHO.
You are missing the point. Warren Buffett invested with 10+ years vista. When Warren Buffet bought shares of the Washington Post he lost money, 10 years later he made 380K off the original 10K investment. What we know for sure is, ring signatures are basic for anonimity and Darkcoin is on a clear dead end there. What matters at the end of the day the is the coin's functionality. The only reason Darkcoin has to exist is the anonimity factor, and MRO's tech is based on anonimity only and scalable. Marketing means shit nothing at the end of the day in this business. DOGE just put a Nascar car with their branding on national television and the price is crashing again. What's interesting to me is all I hear is MRO this, MRO that. Why is MRO the de facto cryptonote coin? Why is it better than the others? What does it offer that they don't?  It's not the first CN coin. Its market cap is way smaller than BCN's. Of course BCN is no angel either. I just don't get it. MRO trolls. Monero doesn't matter now, it's been worked over every day for the past weeks. Most folks are decent, but there are always exceptions. You are just a holder clueless about actual cryptography and technology and it shows. |
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I know Warren Buffett isn't a friend of Alts - but he did give some good advice that is applicable here - he taught to buy the market leader in each niche. For anonymous crypto that is currently DARK. The others like Monero are far behind, and even if they have good ideas, either other competitors will beat them, or Dark will simply steal their ideas and implement them as well or better (I have a high opinion of the Dark dev). Either way it's foolish to invest in the distant also-rans rather than Dark, IMHO.
You are missing the point. Warren Buffett invested with 10+ years vista. When Warren Buffet bought shares of the Washington Post he lost money, 10 years later he made 380K off the original 10K investment. What we know for sure is, ring signatures are basic for anonimity and Darkcoin is on a clear dead end there. What matters at the end of the day the is the coin's functionality. The only reason Darkcoin has to exist is the anonimity factor, and MRO's tech is based on anonimity only and scalable. Marketing means shit nothing at the end of the day in this business. DOGE just put a Nascar car with their branding on national television and the price is crashing again. What's interesting to me is all I hear is MRO this, MRO that. Why is MRO the de facto cryptonote coin? Why is it better than the others? What does it offer that they don't? It's not the first CN coin. Its market cap is way smaller than BCN's. Of course BCN is no angel either. I just don't get it. Marketcap means nothing and being the first means nothing. Litecoin is a clone from Tenebrix, guess where Tenebrix is at now. Marketcap will grow with hard work and functionality, not a nice logo. MRO uses BCN as base, just as DRK uses BTC as base, simple as that. MRO team is composed from veterans, go ask on IRC. |
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