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10981  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers. on: July 09, 2015, 02:44:47 AM
Monckton has a sound understanding of the physics and chemistry of the so-called "greenhouse effect."

The reason he is criticismed and mocked so much is simply because few can refute his approach, method and conclusions.
10982  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers. on: July 08, 2015, 09:43:24 PM



Researchers: Castrating More Reindeers Will Help Fight Global Warming…






TROMSOE, Norway (Reuters) – Indigenous Sami peoples in the Arctic may have found a way to help their reindeer herds cope with climate change: more castration.

Research by Sami experts shows that sterilised males can grow larger and so are better at digging for food — as Arctic temperatures vary more, thawing snow often refreezes to form thick ice over lichen pastures.

Neutered males are more able to break through ice with their hooves or antlers, and seem more willing than other males to move aside and share food with calves that can die of starvation in bad freeze-thaw winters like 2000-01.

“To make herds more resilient in the future, we need to re-learn the traditional knowledge of castration,” said professor Svein Mathiesen, coordinator of the University of the Arctic’s Institute of Circumpolar Reindeer Husbandry.

More castration “could be useful to adapt to climate change,” he told Reuters in the Arctic city of Tromsoe. “These animals are very good diggers for the small calves in the most critical period of the winter.” Pasture this year is good.

Castration has traditionally been used by reindeer herders, partly to make wild animals more docile. Herders on the Yamal peninsula in Russia still neuter about half of all males — usually by biting into the testicles with their teeth.

Far fewer animals are castrated outside Russia. About 100,000 Sami own about 2.5 million reindeer in homelands in the Nordic countries and Russia.


http://www.thestar.com.my/story/?file=/2011/1/26/worldupdates/2011-01-26T202906Z_01_NOOTR_RTRMDNC_0_-544213-1&sec=Worldupdates



I am certain they will want to try this on men, probably the ones that don't believe in their ideas.
10983  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people hate islam? on: July 08, 2015, 09:40:34 PM
Was Arafat a Muslim?
Mohammed Yasser Abdel Rahman Abdel Raouf Arafat al-Qudwa commonly known as Yasser Arafat and Yes he was Muslim and he was a Palestinian leader.....

Arafat was a Muslim.

Arafat was a Terrorist.

Let's please cut out all the propaganda about Islam "peace and love", okay?

Let me tell you one thing that, Those who kills innocent people on the Name of Islam, they are Not Muslim. Jihad is not Killing the Innocent people. The concept of jihad is indeed a Quranic one, but sadly, a false and twisted version of this Quranic concept has been used by terrorists acting in the name of Islam to commit various terrorist acts. These terrorist acts, which occur all over the world, aim at the indiscriminate killing of innocent people. They are being undertaken in the name of “jihad”. These non-Islamic acts have gone a long way towards distorting the image of Islam.
Fine with me.

So...

ARAFAT IS NOT A MUSLIM!

Good luck with that.  We just had Greg tell us Arafat was a Muslim. 

Is he or isn't he?

Well, if we are discussing issues of indiscriminate killings, it's not too much to ask for logical consistency?  Or is the logic as inconsistent as the killings?

Is it?

10984  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: July 08, 2015, 09:38:01 PM

I haven't seen the movie, so I wouldn't know how accurate or not it is. I didn't miss your point, I disputed it directly. Your point is, as you just said, "the interest of a culture in encouraging brilliant work from whomever it may come from, instead of harshly suppressing it" as you seek to differentiate it from Muslim cultures which you believe would harshly suppress an individual such as Turing. Your point is Turing was appreciated greatly for his work, and my rebuttal was he obviously wasn't, as evidenced by how harshly the great and brilliant war hero was suppressed after the war when he was prosecuted for who he was and chemically castrated. These actions do not show a "culture encouraging brilliant work from whomever it may come from" because the caveat was "unless you're gay, in which case you will be suppressed."

Maybe before making broad sweeping generalizations of this sort, you might want to look at say, 100 people who knew him?  What is "a culture?"
It's a lot more than a couple cops who made a case up against the man.

You did not dispute my point one bit in condemning English culture of that time, from the modern point of view.

My point remains.  If the Islamics had then ruled Britian, he would not have done his work, and you would likely not have a computer today.

Interchange "culture" with "society" and see if it helps your understanding any. Your point remains discredited. British society was not morally superior because they actually suppressed him slightly less harshly than an Islamic one theoretically might have. The British government didn't prosecute him until the war was over, so there's every reason to believe an Islamic government would have similarly used him for his talents in order to aid a war effort, and then persecuted him afterwards like the Brits did.
It's total bullshit.

Country A.  Homosexual behavior is illegal and results in jail if prosecuted.
Country B.  Homosexual behavior is illegal and you are killed.

Go ahead, claim these are morally and ethically equivalent.
10985  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people hate islam? on: July 08, 2015, 05:28:03 PM
Was Arafat a Muslim?
Mohammed Yasser Abdel Rahman Abdel Raouf Arafat al-Qudwa commonly known as Yasser Arafat and Yes he was Muslim and he was a Palestinian leader.....

Arafat was a Muslim.

Arafat was a Terrorist.

Let's please cut out all the propaganda about Islam "peace and love", okay?
10986  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people hate islam? on: July 08, 2015, 05:08:07 PM
Mohammed Yasser Abdel Rahman Abdel Raouf Arafat al-Qudwa commonly known as Yasser Arafat and Yes he was Muslim and he was a Palestinian leader. He was Chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), President of the Palestinian National Authority (PNA)

At least Arafat was better than those Hamas nutters such as Ismail Haniyeh, Khaled Mashal, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, and Mousa Abu Marzouq. He made sure that Fatah remains as a moderate organization, and opposed the acts of terrorism committed by the Hamas recruits. After his death, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict flared up again, as there were no moderate figures among the Palestinians.

Bah.  Historical Revisionism. To me it looks like Arafat is responsible for helping create an entire generation of Palestines who don't have any useful skills, don't have the ability to do useful work, except tote a gun and use it for the latest jihad.

Arafat was a terrorist.  Just looking at his terror, here ya go-

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_article=795&x_context=7
....

EARLY TERRORISM CAREER

– Late 1950's: Arafat co-founds Fatah, the “Movement for the National Liberation of Palestine.”

– Jan. 1, 1965: Fatah fails in its first attempted attack within Israel — the bombing of the National Water Carrier.

– July 5, 1965: A Fatah cell plants explosives at Mitzpe Massua, near Beit Guvrin; and on the railroad tracks to Jerusalem near Kafr Battir.

– 1965-1967: Numerous Fatah bomb attacks target Israeli villages, water pipes, railroads. Homes are destroyed and Israelis are killed.

– July 1968: Fatah joins and becomes the dominant member of the PLO, an umbrella organization of Palestinian terrorist groups.

– Feb. 4, 1969: Arafat is appointed Chairman of the Executive Committee of the PLO

– Feb. 21, 1970: SwissAir flight 330, bound for Tel Aviv, is bombed in mid-flight by PFLP, a PLO member group. 47 people are killed.

– May 8, 1970: PLO terrorists attack an Israeli schoolbus with bazooka fire, killing nine pupils and three teachers from Moshav Avivim

– Sept. 6, 1970: TWA, Pan-Am, and BOAC airplanes are hijacked by PLO terrorists.

LATE TERRORISM CAREER

attacks since Sept 2000 perpetrated by groups under Arafat's command:


– May 29, 2001:  Gilad Zar, an Itamar resident, was shot dead in a terrorist ambush by Fatah Tanzim.

– May 29, 2001: Sara Blaustein, 53, and Esther Alvan, 20, of Efrat, were killed in a drive-by shooting south of Jerusalem. The Fatah Tanzim claimed responsibility for the attack.

– June 18, 2001: Doron Zisserman, 38, shot and killed in his car by Fatah sniper fire.

– Aug 26, 2001: Dov Rosman, 58, killed in a shooting attack by Fatah terrorist.

– Sept 6, 2001:  Erez Merhavi, 23, killed in a Fatah Tanzim ambush shooting near Hadera while driving to a wedding.

– Sept 20, 2001: Sarit Amrani, 26, killed by Fatah terrorist snipers as she was traveling in a car with her husband and 3 children.

– Oct 4, 2001: 3 killed, 13 wounded, when a Fatah terrorist, dressed as an Israeli paratrooper, opened fire on Israeli civilians waiting at the central bus station in Afula.

– Nov 27, 2001 - 2 killed 50 injured when two Palestinian terrorists opened fire with Kalashnikov assault rifles on a crowd of people near the central bus station in Afula. Fatah and the Islamic Jihad claimed joint responsibility.

– Nov 29, 2001: 3 killed and 9 wounded in a suicide bombing on an Egged 823 bus en route from Nazereth to Tel Aviv near the city of Hadera. The Islamic Jihad and Fatah claimed responsibility for the attack.

– Dec 12, 2001 - 11 killed and 30 wounded when three terrorists attacked a bus and several passenger cars with a roadside bomb, anti-tank grenades, and light arms fire near the entrance to Emmanuel in Samaria . Both Fatah and Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

– Jan 15, 2002:  Avi Boaz, 71, an American citizen, was kidnapped at a PA security checkpoint in Beit Jala. His bullet-riddled body was found in a car near Bethlehem. The Fatah's Al-Aksa Brigade claimed responsibility for the murder.

– Jan 15, 2002: Yoela Chen, 45, was shot dead by an Al Aqsa Brigade terrorist

– Jan 17, 2002: 6 killed, 35 wounded when a Fatah terrorist burst into a bat mitzva reception in a banquet hall in Hadera opening fire with an M-16 assault rifle.

– Jan 22, 2002: 2 killed, 40 injured when a Fatah terrorist opened fire with an M-16 assault rifle near a bus stop in downtown Jerusalem.

– Jan. 27, 2002: One person was killed and more than 150 were wounded by a female Fatah suicide bomber in the center of Jerusalem.

– Feb 6, 2002 - A mother and her 11 year old daughter were murdered in their home by a Palestinian terrorist disguised in an IDF uniform. Both Fatah and Hamas claimed responsibility.

– Feb 18, 2002 :  - Ahuva Amergi, 30, was killed and a 60-year old man was injured when a Palestinian terrorist opened fire on her car. Maj. Mor Elraz, 25,  and St.-Sgt. Amir Mansouri, 21,  who came to their assistance, were killed while trying to intercept the terrorist. The terrorist was killed when the explosives he was carrying were detonated. The Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

– Feb 22, 2002: Valery Ahmir, 59, was killed by terrorists in a Fatah drive-by shooting north of Jerusalem as he returned home from work.

– Feb 25, 2002: Avraham Fish, 65, and Aharon Gorov, 46, were killed in a Fatah terrorist shooting attack south of Bethlehem. Fish's daughter, 9 months pregnant, was seriously injured but delivered a baby girl.

– Feb 25, 2002: Police officer 1st Sgt. Galit Arbiv, 21, died after being fatally shot, when a Fatah terrorist opened fire at a bus stop in the Neve Ya'akov residential neighbhorhood in northern Jerusalem. Eight others were injured.

– Feb 27, 2002: Gad Rejwan, 34, of Jerusalem, was shot and killed by one of his Palestinian employees in a factory north of Jerusalem. Two Fatah groups issued a joint statement taking responsibility for the murder.

– March 2, 2002: A suicide bombing by Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade in an ultra-Orthodox Jewish neighborhood of Jerusalem killed 11 people and injured more than 50.

– Mar 5, 2002: 3 were killed and over 30 people were wounded in Tel-Aviv when a Fatah terrorist opened fire on two adjacent restaurants shortly after 2:00 AM.

– Mar 5, 2002: Devorah Friedman, 45, of Efrat, was killed and her husband injured in a Fatah shooting attack on the Bethlehem bypass "tunnel road", south of Jerusalem.

– Mar 9, 2002: Avia Malka, 9 months, and Israel Yihye, 27, were killed and about 50 people were injured when two Fatah terrorists opened fire and threw grenades at cars and pedestrians in the coastal city of Netanya on Saturday evening, close to the city's boardwalk and hotels.

–March 21, 2002: An Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade suicide bomber exploded himself in a crowd of shoppers in Jerusalem, killing 3 and injuring 86.

– March 29, 2002: Two killed and 28 injured when a female Fatah suicide bomber blew herself up in a Jerusalem supermarket.

– March 30, 2002: One killed and 30 injured in an Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade suicide bombing in Tel Aviv.

– April 12, 2002: Six  killed and 104 wounded when a female Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade suicide bomber blew herself up at a bus stop on Jaffa road at the entrance to Jerusalem's Mahane Yehuda open-air market.

– May 27, 2002: Ruth Peled, 56, of Herzliya and her infant granddaughter, aged 14 months, were killed and 37 people were injured when a Fatah suicide bomber detonated himself near an ice cream parlor outside a shopping mall in Petah Tikva.

– May 28, 2002 - Albert Maloul, 50, of Jerusalem, was killed when shots were fired by Fatah terrorists at the car in which he was traveling south on the Ramallah bypass road.

– May 28, 2002 - Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade terrorists killed Netanel Riachi, 17,  Gilad Stiglitz, 14, and Avraham Siton, 17,  three yeshiva high school students playing basketball.

– June 19, 2002: Seven people were killed and 37 injured when a Fatah suicide bomber blew himself up at a crowded bus stop and hitchhiking post in the French Hill neighborhood of Jerusalem.

– June 20, 2002: Rachel Shabo, 40, and three of her sons - Neria, 16, Zvika, 12, and Avishai, 5 - as well as a neighbor, Yosef Twito, 31, who came to their aid, were murdered when a terrorist entered their home in Itamar, south of Nablus, and opened fire. Two other children were injured, as well as two soldiers.  The PFLP and the Fatah Al Aqsa Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

– July 25, 2002: Rabbi Elimelech Shapira, 43, was killed in a Fatah shooting attack near the West Bank community of Alei Zahav.

– July 26, 2002: St.-Sgt. Elazar Lebovitch, 21, of Hebron; Rabbi Yosef Dikstein, 45, of Psagot, his wife Hannah, 42, and their 9-year-old son Shuv'el Zion were killed in a Fatah Al Aqsa Brigade shooting attack south of Hebron. Two other of their children were injured. – July 30, 2002: Shlomo Odesser, 60, and his brother Mordechai, 52, both of Tapuach in Samaria, were shot and killed when their truck came under Fatah fire in the West Bank village of Jama'in.

– Aug 4, 2002: 2 killed and 17 wounded when a Fatah terrorist opened fire with a pistol near the Damascus Gate of Jerusalem's Old City.

– Aug 5, 2002: Avi Wolanski (29) and his wife Avital (27), of Eli, were killed and one of their children, aged 3, was injured when terrorists opened fire on their car as they were traveling on the Ramallah-Nablus road in Samaria. The Martyrs of the Palestinian Popular Army, a splinter group associated with Arafat's Fatah movement, claimed responsibility for the attack.

– Aug 10, 2002: Yafit Herenstein, 31, of Moshav Mechora in the Jordan Valley, was killed and her husband, Arno, seriously wounded when a Fatah terrorist infiltrated the moshav and opened fire outside their home.

– Sept 18, 2002: Yosef Ajami, 36, was killed when Fatah  terrorists opened fire on his car near Mevo Dotan, north of Jenin in the West Bank.

– Oct 29, 2002: Three people, including 2 fourteen year olds, were shot to death by a Fatah terrorist.

-- Nov 10, 2002: Revital Ohayon, 34, and her two sons, Matan, 5, and Noam, 4, as well as Yitzhak Dori, 44 - all of Kibbutz Metzer - and Tirza Damari, 42,  were killed when a Fatah terrorist infiltrated the kibbutz, located east of Hadera near the Green Line, and opened fire.

– Nov 28, 2002: 5 killed and 40 wounded when two Fatah terrorists opened fire and threw grenades at the Likud polling station in Beit She'an, near the central bus station, where party members were casting their votes in the Likud primary.

– Apr 24, 2003 - 1 was killed and 13 were wounded in a suicide bombing outside the train station in Kfar Sava. Groups related to the Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and the PFLP clamied joint responsibility for the attack.

– May 5, 2003 - Gideon Lichterman, 27, was killed and two other passengers, his six-year-old daughter Moriah and a reserve soldier, were seriously wounded when Fatah terrorists fired shots at their vehicle in Samaria.

– May 19, 2003: 3 were killed and 70 were wounded in a suicide bombing at the entrance to the Amakim Mall in Afula. The Islamic Jihad and the Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades both claimed responsibility for the attack.

– Aug 29, 2003:  Shalom Har-Melekh, 25, was killed in a Fatah shooting attack while driving northeast of Ramallah. His wife, Limor, who was seven months pregnant, sustained moderate injuries, and gave birth to a baby girl by Caesarean section.

– Jan 29, 2004: 11 people were killed and over 50 wounded in a suicide bombing of an Egged bus no. 19 at the corner of Gaza and Arlozorov streets in Jerusalem. Both the Fatah-related Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades and Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

– Mar 14, 2004: 10 were killed and 16 wounded in a double suicide bombing at Ashdod Port. Hamas and Fatah claimed responsibility for the attack.

– May 2, 2004: Tali Hatuel, 34, and her daughters - Hila, 11, Hadar, 9, Roni, 7, and Merav, 2 - of Katif in the Gaza Strip were killed when two Palestinian terrorists fired on an Israeli car at the entrance to the Gaza Strip settlement bloc of Gush Katif. Fatah and Islamic Jihad claimed joint responsibility for the attack.
10987  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Time Warner Cable must pay $229,500 to Texas woman it robocalled 153 times on: July 08, 2015, 01:36:41 PM
$229,500 for making 153 robocalls? I accept that the fault is with the Time Warner Cable. People get irritated, when they receive calls which are meant for someone else. But the verdict seems to be too harsh. It would have been OK if they were told to pay 10K or 20K. But 230K for making a few robocalls?

It's a Texas law making  "junk robocalls" that dates back I believe to the 1980s.  $1500 per illegal call.  This was later trumped by a similar Federal law, but the idea remained the same.  If anything the Federal law gave more rights to those using robocalls and the frequency of abusive calls went up.

Actually there is "everything right" about the court decision, since the very point is to stop nuisance and annoying calls to mobile phones, for which the owner of the phone is usually charged.

10988  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats on: July 07, 2015, 11:31:19 PM
If was a terror attack, why no one claimed responsibility for the attack Huh
Any terror group want everyone know about their deeds, and even other people's deeds when no one claim the responsibility
A MUCH BETTER QUESTION...

Since there WAS a terror group claim responsibility, why do people posting on this thread deny that?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/11591630/Helicopter-carrying-foreign-diplomats-crashes-in-Pakistan-killing-two-ambassadors.html

 Taliban terrorists on Friday claimed responsibility for the crash of a Pakistan Army helicopter in which two foreign ambassadors were among seven killed.

The group said one of its special forces units had shot it down in an attempt to assassinate the country’s prime minister Nawaz Sharif, who was travelling in another aircraft at the time.

“We were planning to target [prime minister] Nawaz Sharif but we missed him. TTP [Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan] used an anti-aircraft gun and shot down the MI-17 helicopter which killed the pilots and several foreign ambassadors,” said Mohammad Khorasani, a Taliban spokesman, in a statement released shortly after the incident.
10989  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: July 07, 2015, 10:14:31 PM
Nice strawman.  "Jew hater"  where do you get this b.s.Huh

lol @ ifamericansknew.org being a propaganda site.   The authors of the articles aren't anonymous trolls and the content is well researched and corroborated, as opposed to the anonymous propaganda from palestinefacts that was linked.

Yeah 68 years isn't long, especially considering the entire Israeli claim on the land goes back 2,000 years.  LOL  @ the backwards history lesson on WWII.  Hitler was actually in favour of establishing Israel, why not, the whole idea of a "Jewish Race" that the zionists and nazis have in common is completely racist and basically the same thing. 

A few of you are intelligent enough to follow up on some of this and see where you are wrong.  Others, might be ideologically, perhaps religiously driven, and you are about as lost as the people you are arguing with.  (Not me, I'm out)



Sure, just tell me this.

Pakistan - number of displaced people when it was created an order of magnitude higher than when Israel formed.

But nobody's complaining.

Oh, wait, it really is ALL ABOUT THOSE EVIL JOEEESSS!!

I forgot.

Lol...
10990  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats on: July 07, 2015, 09:08:05 PM
Yeah i got your point and this was not a terrorist attack, this was just due to failure of engine or some technical fault..And yes muslims were not behind 9/11.

Still, I am not finding the Pakistani army version of the events 100% believable. Since most of the passengers were VIPs, they must have conducted the necessary security checks and maintenance inspections before the takeoff.

BTW, I don't know why so many people are mentioning 9/11 here. There is no connection between the two events. That said, all of the perpetrators in that attack were Muslims, although I am not that sure about the masterminds.

Military spokesman Maj Gen Asim Bajwa that this incident was occurs due to technical fault. He said there is a fault in their engine or due to engine failure..
And yes there is no connection between 9/11 and this event of helicopter's crash in Naltar Pakistan.

I am from Pakistan and This crash was occured due to technical fault...
Engine Fails due to technical fault and helicopter crash on a school near Naltar...
This was told by Army person on Pakistani Media.....

Th


Aizaz Chaudhry, the top official at the Pakistani Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said the crash was caused by a mechanical failure,  
http://www.wsj.com/articles/pakistan-military-helicopter-carrying-foreigners-crashes-1431073427

Of course if someone was from Pakistan, they might need to defend their Government Story.

In the USA, we do not have to defend the Pakistan Government Story, or the US Government Story.

He was not defending Pakistani Government.....
He told truth what had done in Naltar....
Incident occur due to technical fault in the engine of helicopter..

No he was not, he was making an claim that cannot be supported with facts - only with belief.  

Nobody that had not examined the engine would be able to say for sure.   And the stories are not inconsistent; the government could claim it was a "technical fault" and the "technical fault" could have been sabotage.  This is really a silly thing to argue over.

By contrast, people seem free to criticize the US government and place the conspiracy theory of the 911 on them, while ignoring all the facts.

Ridiculous.


We are talking about Helicopter crash in Pakistan, why you are comapring it with 9/11..It is a seperate issue and Government claim what actually happened, If you have some proof that this crash was a terror attack then give us..?
I do not have to prove that the crash was a terror attack.

I only point out that you actually know NOTHING about the cause of the crash - you are only repeating what your government told you.

By contrast with 911 we know a great deal.  Things that we call "Facts."  Like for example, planes flew into towers.  Muslims claimed responsibility for planes flying into towers.  

If you have any FACTS about your helicopter crash, please provide them.


Everyone from Pakistan told that this was a Technical fault, If you don't have proof then accept the reason and ifyou have proof then argue here. I gave you the facts in previous posts, i told you what aizaz chaudary and other army person said on this incident..

I thought the same, that its the technical issue, if it was a Terror attack then until now, then they should have take its responsibility that we did that attack. You know after each terror attack, terrorist take its responsibility. But no news on that yet. Secondly it is clearly said by army personnel that this incident is due to the Engine failure.
Following your logic, if US Government says Al Queda did 911 and Al Queda says they did 911, then this is strong proof.

But these guys want to argue Jews did 911 contrary to the facts.  And the US Government was in with them.  What utter bullshit.

And then there is this....terrorists claiming responsibility....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/11591630/Helicopter-carrying-foreign-diplomats-crashes-in-Pakistan-killing-two-ambassadors.html
10991  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Who Did 7/7? on: July 07, 2015, 09:03:58 PM
Why do you say "we have no idea who did it" when the four suicide bombers have been identified?

Well sure, on the one hand we know who the four suicide bombers were, we know about their background, and in two cases have videotaped evidence of them saying why they did it.

On the other hand, this seems completely out of the character of the peaceful religion of Islam, so there must be some other explanation than the obvious one. I know from the :Who did 9/11?" thread we have many experts on the topic of other-explanations-than-the-obvious-one. I am hoping we can be enlightened.
WHY YOU LEAVE OUT JEWS!  JEWS DID IT! THEY DO ALL TERRROR BLAME ON MSULIN!

Of course the jews did it lol, not.
People kill in the name of the islam thousands and then they say the jews did it, because they dont like the jews.

How ridiculous is this, do you dont see how the people laugh about such comments?  Roll Eyes
I was making a joke, even down to misspellings and grammar.....
10992  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Vote] Who did 911? on: July 07, 2015, 09:02:44 PM
I didn't get you J J Philips, What you want to say , Would you please tell me again, Im confused between A,B,C,D and 1 2..Tongue
I didn't understand a single word from your words..
If you clear this to me i will be very thankful

Let me try a simpler example. I'm Canadian. Suppose I told you two things:

(1) Canadian law supports freedom of expression.
(2) Canadian law does not support freedom of expression.

Would you agree that both of these things cannot be true? Either (1) is true, or (2) is true, but not both.

In my opinion only one option is correct..If Law support freedom is correct then the other is wrong..And if you compare Islamic law with the canadian law then please for God sake think sensible..

Good. Now, let's switch to Islamic law. For the same reason, both (1) and (2) here cannot be both true:

(1) Islamic law supports freedom of expression.
(2) Islamic law does not support freedom of expression.

Do you believe (1) or (2) is true?
While we are at it, let's extend the question a bit.  Does JudeoChristian (old and new Testament) support (1) or (2)?

As an atheist, I do believe it is (1) - generally.  If we search all places and times we could find a bit of (2). 
10993  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: July 07, 2015, 08:59:54 PM
Unbiased websites such as this: http://www.stopthewall.org/maps/150.shtml show the land grab graphically on accurate maps.

Wait. You really think a website named "stopthewall" is unbiased?

Let's never forget that it's Nazi Germany that killed the Jews and not Arab Palestinians. The holocaust is not an Arab problem but the Arabs have had to pay for it. Wouldn't it be fairer if we founded Israel inside Germany?

The Palestinians sided with Nazi Germany.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini

Even today "moderate" Palestinian politicians can help themselves get more votes by using the nickname "Hitler."

Hamas is explicitly genocidal towards the Jews.

Look, I understand you side with them too. Lots of people in this part of bitcointalk are essentially Nazis who want to exterminate the Jews. It's natural that you'd want to fit in and be a Nazi too. Go ahead. Enjoy yourself.

And I hope you die in a fire like all Nazis should.
Well, yeah.  We all know Bliss is rabid dog Jew Hater, but hey, he's got a cool avatar, so....

After all, those damned Jews in Israel don't hang gays, and they don't throw them off tall buildings.  Man, they are just not with the program.  Can you believe that? 

Next thing you know, a couple of these middle estern countries will go to war with each other to resolve once and for all whether to (1) hang the homos (2) throw them off tall buildings.

I so like it when pro-Muslim play the victim card and claim Islamophobia.
10994  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Who Did 7/7? on: July 07, 2015, 06:54:12 PM
Why do you say "we have no idea who did it" when the four suicide bombers have been identified?

Well sure, on the one hand we know who the four suicide bombers were, we know about their background, and in two cases have videotaped evidence of them saying why they did it.

On the other hand, this seems completely out of the character of the peaceful religion of Islam, so there must be some other explanation than the obvious one. I know from the :Who did 9/11?" thread we have many experts on the topic of other-explanations-than-the-obvious-one. I am hoping we can be enlightened.
WHY YOU LEAVE OUT JEWS!  JEWS DID IT! THEY DO ALL TERRROR BLAME ON MSULIN!

Oh, you're right. I suppose there are many people on the forum who will be upset that they can't vote for Jews did it! What an oversight on my part.

Ramadan - 38 suicide attacks 4500 dead or wounded.  JEWS DID IT!  JEWS DO IT TO BLAME ISLAM! ISLAM PEACE!

262 Jihad attacks in June.  JEWS!  JEWS! JEWS!  <<sarcasm.  >>

www.thereligionofpeace.com

Fuck, this is crazy thinking - blaming this stuff on Jews.
10995  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: July 07, 2015, 06:45:57 PM
Let's clear up this "Islam is all peace and love," okay?


Islam is all peace and Love, It is proven by the actions and sayings of our Prophet (PBUH).....And Quran also gives a lesson of peace and love...Quran says be kind with others.

Yes agree islam is a religion of peace and war, as described by the Holly Quran. But due to the action of few extremist and non muslim pretended to be a muslim created a very bad air. Islam is not about killing muslim, Children, what terrorist are doing today is not islam. Islam tella about killing a man is the killing of hole comunity.

Agreed with you @camelson, the one who kill innocent people and bombing in markets, Mosques,Schools etc they don't have any concern with Islam and they are not muslims.......And yes killing of one Human is killing of whole humanity..

yes they are called terrorist, and they don't have Any religion, Because killing of innocent People in all religion is highly inhuman act and is prohibited, These are the people who has no concern with the humanity. They attack on every religion. They kill Muslims, Christians, Hindus and other, attack their Religious Places.




Then it must be reconciled why, earlier in this thread, several argue that Hamas is Muslim, that Arafat is Muslim.

I know for a fact that Gandi believed strongly in love and peace.  I know from his actions.

What I see of the Muslim commenters, and the Muslim community, with it's great diversity.... is something quite different.

For example we have on this thread various assertions (I will paraphrase.  If it is imperfect my fault).  

Muslim is religion of PEACE!  But if one insults the Prophet I kill him!

Muslim is religion of PEACE!  It's okay to stone to death Adulteress.  It's okay to kill homosexuals.

HAMAS is MUSLIM!  Because Israelis kill our brothers and sisters we kill their brothers and sisters (but our suicide bombers in restaurants kill many others, all innocent)

What I am seeing is not perfection, and not a perfect religion. I am seeing total chaos.



These all argue started from your side and other non muslims..@Camelson said true that the people who kill innocent people have no concern with any religion. ANd if someone insult then we have know how to take a revenge and homosexuality is forbid in Islam and if someone do this he did a big sin and Hellfire is waiting for this person.
Israeli kill innocent people, It is wrong or right ? You tell me..?


[/quote]So you have a religion of revenge?  And one in which you punish people in this life for things like homosexuality, instead of letting Allah deal with them in the next?

Suppose you see a cartoon of some guy with a big beard and a white rag wrapped around his head, with a bomb in on top.  You say "He insult the Prophet!  We must take revenge!"

But how do you even know the picture is of the Mohammed?  You don't even know what he looked like, do you.  So how do you know you haven't made a gigantic mistake.  Maybe the picture is of a Hamas bomber. 

Please explain this to me because it seems like it is totally idiotic.
10996  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Who Did 7/7? on: July 07, 2015, 06:40:00 PM
Why do you say "we have no idea who did it" when the four suicide bombers have been identified?

Well sure, on the one hand we know who the four suicide bombers were, we know about their background, and in two cases have videotaped evidence of them saying why they did it.

On the other hand, this seems completely out of the character of the peaceful religion of Islam, so there must be some other explanation than the obvious one. I know from the :Who did 9/11?" thread we have many experts on the topic of other-explanations-than-the-obvious-one. I am hoping we can be enlightened.
WHY YOU LEAVE OUT JEWS!  JEWS DID IT! THEY DO ALL TERRROR BLAME ON MSULIN!
10997  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign diplomats on: July 07, 2015, 06:37:30 PM
Yeah i got your point and this was not a terrorist attack, this was just due to failure of engine or some technical fault..And yes muslims were not behind 9/11.

Still, I am not finding the Pakistani army version of the events 100% believable. Since most of the passengers were VIPs, they must have conducted the necessary security checks and maintenance inspections before the takeoff.

BTW, I don't know why so many people are mentioning 9/11 here. There is no connection between the two events. That said, all of the perpetrators in that attack were Muslims, although I am not that sure about the masterminds.

Military spokesman Maj Gen Asim Bajwa that this incident was occurs due to technical fault. He said there is a fault in their engine or due to engine failure..
And yes there is no connection between 9/11 and this event of helicopter's crash in Naltar Pakistan.

I am from Pakistan and This crash was occured due to technical fault...
Engine Fails due to technical fault and helicopter crash on a school near Naltar...
This was told by Army person on Pakistani Media.....

Th


Aizaz Chaudhry, the top official at the Pakistani Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said the crash was caused by a mechanical failure, 
http://www.wsj.com/articles/pakistan-military-helicopter-carrying-foreigners-crashes-1431073427

Of course if someone was from Pakistan, they might need to defend their Government Story.

In the USA, we do not have to defend the Pakistan Government Story, or the US Government Story.

He was not defending Pakistani Government.....
He told truth what had done in Naltar....
Incident occur due to technical fault in the engine of helicopter..

No he was not, he was making an claim that cannot be supported with facts - only with belief. 

Nobody that had not examined the engine would be able to say for sure.   And the stories are not inconsistent; the government could claim it was a "technical fault" and the "technical fault" could have been sabotage.  This is really a silly thing to argue over.

By contrast, people seem free to criticize the US government and place the conspiracy theory of the 911 on them, while ignoring all the facts.

Ridiculous.


We are talking about Helicopter crash in Pakistan, why you are comapring it with 9/11..It is a seperate issue and Government claim what actually happened, If you have some proof that this crash was a terror attack then give us..?
I do not have to prove that the crash was a terror attack.

I only point out that you actually know NOTHING about the cause of the crash - you are only repeating what your government told you.

By contrast with 911 we know a great deal.  Things that we call "Facts."  Like for example, planes flew into towers.  Muslims claimed responsibility for planes flying into towers. 

If you have any FACTS about your helicopter crash, please provide them.
10998  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Vote] Who did 911? on: July 07, 2015, 06:34:25 PM
.....

Your Israelis attacked the US on 911, just like they have attacked many other commerical airlines since the mid 1970s.  Just like they continue to attack innocent victims worldwide.
.....
Here it is again, THE EVVOOOL JOOOESSS!!!

Oh, and when I say "Youtube is not an authoritative source," that does not give you license to assume that I have alternate "authoritative sources" that you can refute.  It does not mean that you can leap to a conclusion that I agree with one or another government reports.

Authoritative sources I have used in this discussion are reference materials for high school chemistry and physics.  Most of that I know, but I did look up a few melting points and heats of combustion and so forth.
10999  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: July 07, 2015, 04:08:14 PM
Let's clear up this "Islam is all peace and love," okay?


Islam is all peace and Love, It is proven by the actions and sayings of our Prophet (PBUH).....And Quran also gives a lesson of peace and love...Quran says be kind with others.

Yes agree islam is a religion of peace and war, as described by the Holly Quran. But due to the action of few extremist and non muslim pretended to be a muslim created a very bad air. Islam is not about killing muslim, Children, what terrorist are doing today is not islam. Islam tella about killing a man is the killing of hole comunity.

Agreed with you @camelson, the one who kill innocent people and bombing in markets, Mosques,Schools etc they don't have any concern with Islam and they are not muslims.......And yes killing of one Human is killing of whole humanity..

yes they are called terrorist, and they don't have Any religion, Because killing of innocent People in all religion is highly inhuman act and is prohibited, These are the people who has no concern with the humanity. They attack on every religion. They kill Muslims, Christians, Hindus and other, attack their Religious Places.




[/quote]Then it must be reconciled why, earlier in this thread, several argue that Hamas is Muslim, that Arafat is Muslim.

I know for a fact that Gandi believed strongly in love and peace.  I know from his actions.

What I see of the Muslim commenters, and the Muslim community, with it's great diversity.... is something quite different.

For example we have on this thread various assertions (I will paraphrase.  If it is imperfect my fault).  

Muslim is religion of PEACE!  But if one insults the Prophet I kill him!

Muslim is religion of PEACE!  It's okay to stone to death Adulteress.  It's okay to kill homosexuals.

HAMAS is MUSLIM!  Because Israelis kill our brothers and sisters we kill their brothers and sisters (but our suicide bombers in restaurants kill many others, all innocent)

What I am seeing is not perfection, and not a perfect religion. I am seeing total chaos.





11000  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I feel bad for the guy who landed Philae on the comet. on: July 07, 2015, 02:37:01 PM
I was so chocked when I saw the blacklash, from the idiotic people against him I can't believe what I was reading, feminist are becoming worst than ISIS....
LOL....
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