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.... HAMAS formed in late 1987 at the beginning of the first Palestinian intifada (uprising). Its roots are in the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, and it is supported by a robust sociopolitical structure inside the Palestinian territories. The group’s charter calls for establishing an Islamic Palestinian state in place of Israel and rejects all agreements made between the PLO and Israel. HAMAS’ strength is concentrated in the Gaza Strip and areas of the West Bank. HAMAS has a military wing known as the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades that has conducted man.... in both Israel and the Palestinian territories since the 1990s. These attacks have included large-scale bombings against Israeli civilian targets, small-arms attacks, improvised roadside explosives, and rocket attacks. Your answer is yes http://www.nctc.gov/site/groups/hamas.htmlRight. Thank you for admitting that there are Muslim groups that routinely engage in terrorism, and against unarmed women, children and others. Let's clear up this "Islam is all peace and love," okay? Have you ever know what these Israelians did with muslim in gaza ?? This is not terrorism, When a person attack on you or your community what you can do ?? I m asking from what you can do ?? If someone kill your brother and sister or your son/daughter ? What you can do ?? answer me ?? What the honorable thing to do if forced by events into such action is to only fight soldiers of the enemy. That is not terror. Bombing a cafe, for example, where many people gather of many countries, is terror. That is what you vainly try to justify by saying "Well they did it so we can do it to!!!" In fact, even if you said "Well they killed my brother and my daughter so I'M GOING TO KILL THEIR BROTHER AND DAUGHTER!!" ... you can't even get to that point with indiscriminate bombings, that have most of their effect on totally unrelated and innocent parties. It is not only terror, but terror with no clear purpose. And that's what Hamas and other violent Muslims do. It's beyond stupid, frankly. That is without even getting into their pledge to kill every Jew and drive them off their land <<blah blah blah>> Your statements, attitude and approach shows the lie to your previous assertions about Islam is "peace and love." Please don't dishonor your holy book this behavior by quoting verses to support or justify it. I m getting your point but you didn't get my point yet..You told if someone kills your brothers and sisiters then you will kill their Right ? Now listen to me Israelians killing Muslims,their childrens,brothers,sister etc you tell me..Muslims did wrong ? If you kill the person who kill your brother is revenge and when muslims kill then it is killing Wow great !!
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HAMAS formed in late 1987 at the beginning of the first Palestinian intifada (uprising). Its roots are in the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, and it is supported by a robust sociopolitical structure inside the Palestinian territories. The group’s charter calls for establishing an Islamic Palestinian state in place of Israel and rejects all agreements made between the PLO and Israel. HAMAS’ strength is concentrated in the Gaza Strip and areas of the West Bank. HAMAS has a military wing known as the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades that has conducted man.... in both Israel and the Palestinian territories since the 1990s. These attacks have included large-scale bombings against Israeli civilian targets, small-arms attacks, improvised roadside explosives, and rocket attacks. Your answer is yes http://www.nctc.gov/site/groups/hamas.htmlRight. Thank you for admitting that there are Muslim groups that routinely engage in terrorism, and against unarmed women, children and others. Let's clear up this "Islam is all peace and love," okay? Have you ever know what these Israelians did with muslim in gaza ?? This is not terrorism, When a person attack on you or your community what you can do ?? I m asking from what you can do ?? If someone kill your brother and sister or your son/daughter ? What you can do ?? answer me ?? All this is true, except for the part about, "Islam is all peace and love." Islam is both, violence and peace. It is peace to Muslims. It is violence to those who refuse to become Muslim. Muslims who think Islam is only peace are very weak Muslims, because they are ignorant of the violence directives in the Quran and some of the Hadiths. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Islam is peace for all muslims as well as non muslims.. “And We have sent you (O Muhammad SAW) not but as a mercy for the ‘Alameen (mankind, jinns and all that exists)”
[al-Anbiya’ 21:107].Islam advises us to treat neighbours kindly, even if they are not Muslim.It was narrated that Ibn-Omar (the son of Omar), May Allah be pleased with both of them, said that after one of the battles of the Prophet PBUH, a woman was found killed. In response, the Prophet PBUH denied the killing of women and children. Narrated by Al Bukhari. This is for non muslims... There is only one way to make Islam into something sort of sensible. The way is that if a point is mentioned in Islamic writings, every time it is mentioned previously is null and void. This means that if a prophet of Islam says Islam is peaceful, today, that means all the previous writings about violence or peace in Islamic writings are thrown out. If you don't do this, then Islam is totally mixed up, because Islamic writing directives say violence toward non-Muslims who are stubbornly against becoming Muslim. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Will you give an example of these Islamic writtings ?? Allah said that we sent you (PBUH) mercy for all mankind. How many times... From http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The actual Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.
Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."
Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.
Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').
Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.
Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"
Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."
Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-" This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse).
Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?
Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.
Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."
Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah" Some translations interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:193). The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah", meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that "Allah must have no rivals."
Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."
Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."
Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."
Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."
Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam (prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five Pillars). This popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months). The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat. Once the Muslims had the power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.
Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people." Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even "healing" the hearts of Muslims.
Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." The Arabic word interpreted as "striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad". The context is obviously holy war.
Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. This was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.
Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"
Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place." This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.
Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew." See also the verse that follows (9:42) - "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them" This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians).
Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination." Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that unbelievers are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter. It also explains why today's devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.
Quran (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper."
Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme." How does the Quran define a true believer?
Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."
Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction." Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is "utter destruction." (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam).
Quran (18:65-81) - This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion. The story (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses encountering a man with "special knowledge" who does things which don't seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation. One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74). However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would "grieve" his parents by "disobedience and ingratitude." He was killed so that Allah could provide them a 'better' son. (Note: This is one reason why honor killing is sanctioned by Sharia. Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills their offspring (o.1.1-2).)
Quran (21:44) - "We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"
Quran (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..." "Strive against" is Jihad - obviously not in the personal context. It's also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.
Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter." This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered "merciless" and "horrible murder" in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to "fight in the way of Allah" (3:167) and hence don't act as Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and "alarmists" or "agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad's biographers. It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today's terrorists do. If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in Allah's eternal word to Muslim generations.
Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost." Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad. The wounded are to be held captive for ransom. The only reason Allah doesn't do the dirty work himself is to to test the faithfulness of Muslims. Those who kill pass the test.
Quran (47:35) - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with you,"
Quran (48:17) - "There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom." Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means 'spiritual struggle.' Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted? This verse also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.
Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves" Islam is not about treating everyone equally. There are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status. Also the word used for 'hard' or 'ruthless' in this verse shares the same root as the word translated as 'painful' or severe' in verse 16.
Quran (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way" Religion of Peace, indeed! The verse explicitly refers to "battle array" meaning that it is speaking of physical conflict. This is followed by (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist." (See next verse, below). Infidels who resist Islamic rule are to be fought.
Quran (61:10-12) - "O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment. That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad ), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of 'Adn - Eternity ['Adn (Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success." This verse refers to physical battle in order to make Islam victorious over other religions (see above). It uses the Arabic word, Jihad.
Quran (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end." The root word of "Jihad" is used again here. The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include "hypocrites" - those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such. And this isn't even the Hadiths. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.
And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.There are right verse you written wrong verses..This verses revealed when there was a fitnah created by infidiels.. What gives you the right to deny part of the Quran? You better not deny, because the true Muslims, the ones who accept all of the Quran, just might take vengeance on you.
![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) The verses that are mentioned by you were those which were translated wrong. And the real translation was that which is mention by me.. Muslims have mind and they know about Quran , If someone change the translation then Muslims have mind and they point out you are wrong..
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Let's clear up this "Islam is all peace and love," okay? [/quote]
Islam is all peace and Love, It is proven by the actions and sayings of our Prophet (PBUH).....And Quran also gives a lesson of peace and love...Quran says be kind with others.
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Let's clear up this "Islam is all peace and love," okay?
Islam is all peace and Love, It is proven by the actions and sayings of our Prophet (PBUH).....And Quran also gives a lesson of peace and love...Quran says be kind with others. [/quote] Yes agree islam is a religion of peace and war, as described by the Holly Quran. But due to the action of few extremist and non muslim pretended to be a muslim created a very bad air. Islam is not about killing muslim, Children, what terrorist are doing today is not islam. Islam tella about killing a man is the killing of hole comunity.
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Based on the last couple of posts, I'd conclude Islam is the religion of inability-to-use-quote-tags-properly.
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If Israel is destroyed, I will devote the rest of my life to the extermination of the human species. Any species that goes down this road again less than 100 years after the holocaust needs to be fucking wiped out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Affair_of_the_Gang_of_BarbariansIlan Halimi: tortured and murdered in France by barbarian Jew haters who'd be very comfortable here at bitcointalk.
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July 07, 2015, 12:57:03 PM |
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That article contains fabricated stories such as Zaynab was in skimpy dress. Sites like these, they just put whatever things they get and don't check about narrator or the story or incident.
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What the honorable thing to do if forced by events into such action is to only fight soldiers of the enemy. That is not terror. Bombing a cafe, for example, where many people gather of many countries, is terror. That is what you vainly try to justify by saying "Well they did it so we can do it to!!!" In fact, even if you said "Well they killed my brother and my daughter so I'M GOING TO KILL THEIR BROTHER AND DAUGHTER!!" ... you can't even get to that point with indiscriminate bombings, that have most of their effect on totally unrelated and innocent parties. It is not only terror, but terror with no clear purpose. And that's what Hamas and other violent Muslims do. It's beyond stupid, frankly. That is without even getting into their pledge to kill every Jew and drive them off their land <<blah blah blah>> Your statements, attitude and approach shows the lie to your previous assertions about Islam is "peace and love." Please don't dishonor your holy book this behavior by quoting verses to support or justify it. I m getting your point but you didn't get my point yet..You told if someone kills your brothers and sisiters then you will kill their Right ? Now listen to me Israelians killing Muslims,their childrens,brothers,sister etc you tell me..Muslims did wrong ? If you kill the person who kill your brother is revenge and when muslims kill then it is killing Wow great !! [/quote]No I would not. This is continuing the cycle of violence that any great religion would speak out against. You didn't get my point even if you follow the "eye for an eye" old testament verse. ... you can't even get to that point with indiscriminate bombings, that have most of their effect on totally unrelated and innocent parties. It is not only terror, but terror with no clear purpose. And that's what Hamas and other violent Muslims do.This is not "eye for an eye", it is sheer stupidity.
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What the honorable thing to do if forced by events into such action is to only fight soldiers of the enemy. That is not terror. Bombing a cafe, for example, where many people gather of many countries, is terror. That is what you vainly try to justify by saying "Well they did it so we can do it to!!!" In fact, even if you said "Well they killed my brother and my daughter so I'M GOING TO KILL THEIR BROTHER AND DAUGHTER!!" ... you can't even get to that point with indiscriminate bombings, that have most of their effect on totally unrelated and innocent parties. It is not only terror, but terror with no clear purpose. And that's what Hamas and other violent Muslims do. It's beyond stupid, frankly. That is without even getting into their pledge to kill every Jew and drive them off their land <<blah blah blah>> Your statements, attitude and approach shows the lie to your previous assertions about Islam is "peace and love." Please don't dishonor your holy book this behavior by quoting verses to support or justify it. I m getting your point but you didn't get my point yet..You told if someone kills your brothers and sisiters then you will kill their Right ? Now listen to me Israelians killing Muslims,their childrens,brothers,sister etc you tell me..Muslims did wrong ? If you kill the person who kill your brother is revenge and when muslims kill then it is killing Wow great !! No I would not. This is continuing the cycle of violence that any great religion would speak out against. You didn't get my point even if you follow the "eye for an eye" old testament verse. ... you can't even get to that point with indiscriminate bombings, that have most of their effect on totally unrelated and innocent parties. It is not only terror, but terror with no clear purpose. And that's what Hamas and other violent Muslims do.This is not "eye for an eye", it is sheer stupidity. [/quote] Dear if land is no more safe for muslims and they don't able to perform their religious activities due to interference of non muslims then Islam give muslims two option If they are in position then they fight with non muslims which is called Jihad and if they are not in position of jihad then their is another option that is Hijrat.. The person who did bombings and kill innocent people have no concern with Islam and Muslims..
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July 07, 2015, 01:41:54 PM |
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Let's clear up this "Islam is all peace and love," okay?
Islam is all peace and Love, It is proven by the actions and sayings of our Prophet (PBUH).....And Quran also gives a lesson of peace and love...Quran says be kind with others. Yes agree islam is a religion of peace and war, as described by the Holly Quran. But due to the action of few extremist and non muslim pretended to be a muslim created a very bad air. Islam is not about killing muslim, Children, what terrorist are doing today is not islam. Islam tella about killing a man is the killing of hole comunity. [/quote] Agreed with you @camelson, the one who kill innocent people and bombing in markets, Mosques,Schools etc they don't have any concern with Islam and they are not muslims.......And yes killing of one Human is killing of whole humanity..
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July 07, 2015, 01:50:18 PM |
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These stories are almost fabricated, they failed to achieve the status of sound story. And these stories block their chain and narrators are not reliable.. If you want to know about the life of prophet and Islam, Prophet Muhammad (s) was born in 570 CE in Makkah (Bakka, Baca, Mecca). His father, Abdullah, died several weeks before his birth in Yathrib (Medinah) where he went to visit his father's maternal relatives. His mother died while on the return journey from Medinah at a place called ‘Abwa’ when he was six years old. He was raised by his paternal grandfather 'Abd al Muttalib (Shaybah) until the age of eight, and after his grandfather’s death by Abu Talib, his paternal uncle. 'Abd al Muttalib's mother, Salma, was a native of Medinah and he was born and raised as a young boy in Medinah before his uncle Muttalib brought him to Makkah to succeed him. Many years before Muhammad's birth, 'Abd al Muttalib had established himself as an influential leader of the Arab tribe ‘Quraish’ in Makkah and took care of the Holy sanctuary ‘Ka’bah’. Makkah was a city state well connected to the caravan routes to Syria and Egypt in the north and northwest and Yemen in the south. http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/muhammad.html
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July 07, 2015, 02:32:20 PM |
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What the honorable thing to do if forced by events into such action is to only fight soldiers of the enemy. That is not terror. Bombing a cafe, for example, where many people gather of many countries, is terror. That is what you vainly try to justify by saying "Well they did it so we can do it to!!!" In fact, even if you said "Well they killed my brother and my daughter so I'M GOING TO KILL THEIR BROTHER AND DAUGHTER!!" ... you can't even get to that point with indiscriminate bombings, that have most of their effect on totally unrelated and innocent parties. It is not only terror, but terror with no clear purpose. And that's what Hamas and other violent Muslims do. It's beyond stupid, frankly. That is without even getting into their pledge to kill every Jew and drive them off their land <<blah blah blah>> Your statements, attitude and approach shows the lie to your previous assertions about Islam is "peace and love." Please don't dishonor your holy book this behavior by quoting verses to support or justify it. I m getting your point but you didn't get my point yet..You told if someone kills your brothers and sisiters then you will kill their Right ? Now listen to me Israelians killing Muslims,their childrens,brothers,sister etc you tell me..Muslims did wrong ? If you kill the person who kill your brother is revenge and when muslims kill then it is killing Wow great !! No I would not. This is continuing the cycle of violence that any great religion would speak out against. You didn't get my point even if you follow the "eye for an eye" old testament verse. ... you can't even get to that point with indiscriminate bombings, that have most of their effect on totally unrelated and innocent parties. It is not only terror, but terror with no clear purpose. And that's what Hamas and other violent Muslims do.This is not "eye for an eye", it is sheer stupidity. Dear if land is no more safe for muslims and they don't able to perform their religious activities due to interference of non muslims then Islam give muslims two option If they are in position then they fight with non muslims which is called Jihad and if they are not in position of jihad then their is another option that is Hijrat.. The person who did bombings and kill innocent people have no concern with Islam and Muslims.. [/quote]Now your responses are neither logically consistent with your former comments nor rational. Please remember that this thread is public and anyone can look at the last 20 things said and note the inconsistencies. You have a lot of crazy people doing things in Islam, but if you want to defend the indefensible, be my guest. Just do not think you can at one moment say they are "True Islam" then at the next say they are "Not Islam." This does not gain you respect.
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July 07, 2015, 03:04:58 PM |
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Let's clear up this "Islam is all peace and love," okay?
Islam is all peace and Love, It is proven by the actions and sayings of our Prophet (PBUH).....And Quran also gives a lesson of peace and love...Quran says be kind with others. Yes agree islam is a religion of peace and war, as described by the Holly Quran. But due to the action of few extremist and non muslim pretended to be a muslim created a very bad air. Islam is not about killing muslim, Children, what terrorist are doing today is not islam. Islam tella about killing a man is the killing of hole comunity. Agreed with you @camelson, the one who kill innocent people and bombing in markets, Mosques,Schools etc they don't have any concern with Islam and they are not muslims.......And yes killing of one Human is killing of whole humanity.. [/quote] yes they are called terrorist, and they don't have Any religion, Because killing of innocent People in all religion is highly inhuman act and is prohibited, These are the people who has no concern with the humanity. They attack on every religion. They kill Muslims, Christians, Hindus and other, attack their Religious Places.
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July 07, 2015, 04:08:14 PM |
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Let's clear up this "Islam is all peace and love," okay?
Islam is all peace and Love, It is proven by the actions and sayings of our Prophet (PBUH).....And Quran also gives a lesson of peace and love...Quran says be kind with others. Yes agree islam is a religion of peace and war, as described by the Holly Quran. But due to the action of few extremist and non muslim pretended to be a muslim created a very bad air. Islam is not about killing muslim, Children, what terrorist are doing today is not islam. Islam tella about killing a man is the killing of hole comunity. Agreed with you @camelson, the one who kill innocent people and bombing in markets, Mosques,Schools etc they don't have any concern with Islam and they are not muslims.......And yes killing of one Human is killing of whole humanity.. yes they are called terrorist, and they don't have Any religion, Because killing of innocent People in all religion is highly inhuman act and is prohibited, These are the people who has no concern with the humanity. They attack on every religion. They kill Muslims, Christians, Hindus and other, attack their Religious Places. [/quote]Then it must be reconciled why, earlier in this thread, several argue that Hamas is Muslim, that Arafat is Muslim. I know for a fact that Gandi believed strongly in love and peace. I know from his actions. What I see of the Muslim commenters, and the Muslim community, with it's great diversity.... is something quite different. For example we have on this thread various assertions (I will paraphrase. If it is imperfect my fault). Muslim is religion of PEACE! But if one insults the Prophet I kill him! Muslim is religion of PEACE! It's okay to stone to death Adulteress. It's okay to kill homosexuals. HAMAS is MUSLIM! Because Israelis kill our brothers and sisters we kill their brothers and sisters (but our suicide bombers in restaurants kill many others, all innocent) What I am seeing is not perfection, and not a perfect religion. I am seeing total chaos.
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July 07, 2015, 04:10:41 PM |
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Bombing a cafe, for example, where many people gather of many countries, is terror. That is what you vainly try to justify by saying "Well they did it so we can do it to!!!"
Both the sides have committed gross human rights violations in the past. As I have posted before, Hamas is a terrorist organization, which has targeted thousands of Israeli civilians in bomb and rocket attacks. But at the same time, we should not ignore the acts committed by the Israeli army, such as dropping White phosphorus bombs on the Palestinians. You guys should research and post the actual number of civilians killed "on both sides" - which side is really targeting civilians and which side is attacking mostly soldiers - the stats are there for all to see. Also what a "hamas rocket" is vs the enormous missiles Israel fires...really look into just these two matters - because it would inform your comments a great deal. Currently, you are victim to various false facts installed in you by a pro-Israel news media / entertainment industry. So much so, that your blaming the victim seems fair to you. If you applied the same rule if you happened upon a rape, you would be making excuses for the rapist while saying "then she shouldn't be kicking and scratching like that, it's a complicated two-sided situation, yada yada yada". lol
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July 07, 2015, 04:33:53 PM |
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If Bryant Coleman's beliefs are the result of an Israeli propaganda campaign, then the Israelis must have a very bizarre propaganda strategy. As I've mentioned many times before, the Arab-Israeli is complicated and with a long history. http://palestinefacts.org/It didn't start with "hamas rockets." The fact that the rockets are usually ineffective actually supports Israeli strategy. Many Israelis used to die in suicide bombings on a regular basis. Israeli policy in the past 20 years has made suicide bombings much more difficult to carry out. Hamas is open about the fact that they're genocidal.
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If Israel is destroyed, I will devote the rest of my life to the extermination of the human species. Any species that goes down this road again less than 100 years after the holocaust needs to be fucking wiped out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Affair_of_the_Gang_of_BarbariansIlan Halimi: tortured and murdered in France by barbarian Jew haters who'd be very comfortable here at bitcointalk.
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July 07, 2015, 04:54:18 PM |
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Let's clear up this "Islam is all peace and love," okay?
Islam is all peace and Love, It is proven by the actions and sayings of our Prophet (PBUH).....And Quran also gives a lesson of peace and love...Quran says be kind with others. Yes agree islam is a religion of peace and war, as described by the Holly Quran. But due to the action of few extremist and non muslim pretended to be a muslim created a very bad air. Islam is not about killing muslim, Children, what terrorist are doing today is not islam. Islam tella about killing a man is the killing of hole comunity. Agreed with you @camelson, the one who kill innocent people and bombing in markets, Mosques,Schools etc they don't have any concern with Islam and they are not muslims.......And yes killing of one Human is killing of whole humanity.. yes they are called terrorist, and they don't have Any religion, Because killing of innocent People in all religion is highly inhuman act and is prohibited, These are the people who has no concern with the humanity. They attack on every religion. They kill Muslims, Christians, Hindus and other, attack their Religious Places. Then it must be reconciled why, earlier in this thread, several argue that Hamas is Muslim, that Arafat is Muslim. I know for a fact that Gandi believed strongly in love and peace. I know from his actions. What I see of the Muslim commenters, and the Muslim community, with it's great diversity.... is something quite different. For example we have on this thread various assertions (I will paraphrase. If it is imperfect my fault). Muslim is religion of PEACE! But if one insults the Prophet I kill him! Muslim is religion of PEACE! It's okay to stone to death Adulteress. It's okay to kill homosexuals. HAMAS is MUSLIM! Because Israelis kill our brothers and sisters we kill their brothers and sisters (but our suicide bombers in restaurants kill many others, all innocent) What I am seeing is not perfection, and not a perfect religion. I am seeing total chaos. These all argue started from your side and other non muslims..@Camelson said true that the people who kill innocent people have no concern with any religion. ANd if someone insult then we have know how to take a revenge and homosexuality is forbid in Islam and if someone do this he did a big sin and Hellfire is waiting for this person. Israeli kill innocent people, It is wrong or right ? You tell me..? [/quote]
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July 07, 2015, 06:45:57 PM |
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Let's clear up this "Islam is all peace and love," okay?
Islam is all peace and Love, It is proven by the actions and sayings of our Prophet (PBUH).....And Quran also gives a lesson of peace and love...Quran says be kind with others. Yes agree islam is a religion of peace and war, as described by the Holly Quran. But due to the action of few extremist and non muslim pretended to be a muslim created a very bad air. Islam is not about killing muslim, Children, what terrorist are doing today is not islam. Islam tella about killing a man is the killing of hole comunity. Agreed with you @camelson, the one who kill innocent people and bombing in markets, Mosques,Schools etc they don't have any concern with Islam and they are not muslims.......And yes killing of one Human is killing of whole humanity.. yes they are called terrorist, and they don't have Any religion, Because killing of innocent People in all religion is highly inhuman act and is prohibited, These are the people who has no concern with the humanity. They attack on every religion. They kill Muslims, Christians, Hindus and other, attack their Religious Places. Then it must be reconciled why, earlier in this thread, several argue that Hamas is Muslim, that Arafat is Muslim. I know for a fact that Gandi believed strongly in love and peace. I know from his actions. What I see of the Muslim commenters, and the Muslim community, with it's great diversity.... is something quite different. For example we have on this thread various assertions (I will paraphrase. If it is imperfect my fault). Muslim is religion of PEACE! But if one insults the Prophet I kill him! Muslim is religion of PEACE! It's okay to stone to death Adulteress. It's okay to kill homosexuals. HAMAS is MUSLIM! Because Israelis kill our brothers and sisters we kill their brothers and sisters (but our suicide bombers in restaurants kill many others, all innocent) What I am seeing is not perfection, and not a perfect religion. I am seeing total chaos. These all argue started from your side and other non muslims..@Camelson said true that the people who kill innocent people have no concern with any religion. ANd if someone insult then we have know how to take a revenge and homosexuality is forbid in Islam and if someone do this he did a big sin and Hellfire is waiting for this person. Israeli kill innocent people, It is wrong or right ? You tell me..? [/quote]So you have a religion of revenge? And one in which you punish people in this life for things like homosexuality, instead of letting Allah deal with them in the next? Suppose you see a cartoon of some guy with a big beard and a white rag wrapped around his head, with a bomb in on top. You say "He insult the Prophet! We must take revenge!" But how do you even know the picture is of the Mohammed? You don't even know what he looked like, do you. So how do you know you haven't made a gigantic mistake. Maybe the picture is of a Hamas bomber. Please explain this to me because it seems like it is totally idiotic.
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July 07, 2015, 07:20:39 PM |
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The point is, Islamic writings support active violence at times and peace at other times. Therefore, who is the greater Muslim? The one who supports the violence and the peace? Or the one who only supports the peace? I haven't heard of any of them only supporting the violence... probably because they don't live long if they become this way. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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July 07, 2015, 07:34:17 PM |
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If Bryant Coleman's beliefs are the result of an Israeli propaganda campaign, then the Israelis must have a very bizarre propaganda strategy. As I've mentioned many times before, the Arab-Israeli is complicated and with a long history. http://palestinefacts.org/It didn't start with "hamas rockets." The fact that the rockets are usually ineffective actually supports Israeli strategy. Many Israelis used to die in suicide bombings on a regular basis. Israeli policy in the past 20 years has made suicide bombings much more difficult to carry out. Hamas is open about the fact that they're genocidal. Most peoples beliefs are conditioned by Hollywood to one degree or another. Not sure who runs this site that you linked to but at first glance it's not very informative. You would learn a lot more reading these few pages I think: http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html"As I've mentioned many times before, the Arab-Israeli is complicated and with a long history." No, the Arab-Israeli [conflict] is only 68 years long, mentioning it many times won't make it true. You don't know what you are talking about, and yes, it's from watching too much t.v. etc.
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