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1101  Economy / Speculation / Re: Convergex group suggesting diversification into Bitcoin on: April 10, 2013, 01:34:08 PM
He ran into trouble with the bitcoin limit question.  Someone needs to give him the primer on how the limit really works.

Just in case he googles himself and finds this page, I'll give the very short version:  The limit is enforced by everyone.  Coins are created by the mining process, and any attempt to create coins beyond the limits accepted by the network will be rejected as invalid.
1102  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: A mistery hidden in the Genesis Block on: April 10, 2013, 03:58:01 AM
Or maybe he just got lucky.
1103  Economy / Speculation / Re: People are going to die (rant) on: April 09, 2013, 08:08:39 PM
"In the long run, we are all dead." - John Maynard Keynes
Probably the smartest thing he ever said.

I suffered through a couple of his books.  I can assure you that this was indeed the smartest thing he ever said.
1104  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Memories of a Mania on: April 09, 2013, 08:06:15 PM
People that have never seen a bubble up close can really learn a lot by reading first hand accounts.

That said, the real question is this:  Are we in a bubble, or an adoption curve, or both?

Personally, I think both.  I think that the current exchange rates have a good chance of falling rapidly in the near-ish future, making this month a bubble of sorts.

On the other hand, it is getting harder and harder to imagine bitcoin not taking off and becoming the main settlement system of the world.  We are all over the damn newspapers, we are on TV, everyone is hearing about it now.  I'm nobody, and yet I've been contacted by a couple of reporters.

The dot com bubble was indeed a crazy time.  But it is easy to overlook that before it happened, no one knew what the internet was.  After it was all over, no one didn't know what it was.
1105  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The smartest article on why Bitcoin won't become the next currency on: April 09, 2013, 07:49:54 PM
I understand the reasoning behind fixating the rules.
But for some other (future) bitcoin offspring one can keep in mind that force usually accomplishes less than freedom in the long run.

Force?  Freedom?

You are looking at the product of real freedom.  No one can force you to change your node's rules against your will.  That is freedom, but it goes both ways.  You likewise can't force anyone else to change their rules, and neither can anyone else.

Virtually everyone involved in bitcoin actually likes the current rules.  If we didn't, we wouldn't be here.  We don't believe that different rules will be any better, and no one can force us to follow rules that we don't like.  A couple billion dollars isn't a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but it is still a couple billion more than the closest competing ruleset, and the spread is increasing by leaps and bounds daily.
1106  Economy / Economics / Re: How deflation will eat bitcoin on: April 09, 2013, 06:39:19 PM
So where then does its real value come from?
At the moment it is hugely benefiting from the lack of a feature - the ability to be remotely confiscated.

For someone who is not a political insider with connections in the upper levels of international banking, every possible place to store savings carries the risk of being frozen or confiscated. Every time the weekend comes around there's a real possibility that you won't be able to access your money on Monday. Without connections you'll never know before it's too late.

Holding bitcoins avoids that risk.

The fed, who loves to print trillions of paper bills every year, or any billionaire for that matter, could just as easily buy up all available coins and then freeze them, causing a massive deflationary spiral much like were seeing today, which would enrich them to a point where if they wanted to destroy the bitcoin economy they could issue massive sell off's that would send it plummeting and have retailers running far far away from this super dangerous currency, which after bankrupting everyone would effectively kill bitcoin.

I hope they do.  That would be absolutely the best possible thing to happen to bitcoin.  Let's all hope that the central bankers aren't familiar with the adventures of Br'er Rabbit.
1107  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [25000 GH] BTC Guild - PPS/PPLNS with TxFees, Stratum+Vardiff ASIC Tested on: April 09, 2013, 12:50:43 PM
Update:  My previous post is still accurate, there are definitely keyloggers out there that will now look for pool login credentials.  However, after talking to a few victims in the last few days, it looks like the compromised accounts had a few things in common, and the one that sticks out the most is many of them had accounts on other pools and Bitcoin websites dating back to 2011, and used the same credentials.  For those who weren't around in 2011, there were a significant number of Bitcoin related sites that had full database leaks due to MySQL injections, and many of them had either plaintext passwords, or unsalted md5 passwords.

I would recommend anybody who has ever used the same credentials on ANY other site (but especially if it was Bitcoin related) as what they used on BTC Guild to change their BTC Guild password.  I'm working on adding back this functionality to the Settings page, but until then you can request a password reset at https://www.btcguild.com/index.php?page=reset_password

These incidents were what caused me to get serious about using different random passwords for every site.  Bitcoin has no undo button, and there is no one that you can go to for help if you get screwed.  Secure password management practices were always a good idea, but in the bitcoin world, they are absolutely necessary.
1108  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Signed messages login. Your opiion guys. on: April 09, 2013, 12:46:35 PM
@kjj
I am confused a bit  Huh. isn't the input for a tx is to be considered as the "from"? for multiple inputs to the same address and tx I could just save the first one in a record.

There still is no concept of a from: address in the bitcoin system.  People show up here nearly every day hoping to pretend that there is, but there isn't.  A quick search should reveal dozens, if not hundreds, of threads on that subject.

What is so hard about asking the user for an address that they know that they can use for signing?  Surely you already have to collect some information from the user, what is wrong with also collecting a bit of text at the same time?
1109  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: What could cause a paper wallet to become invalid? on: April 09, 2013, 11:33:51 AM
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I'd be far more concerned about deterioration or damage of the paper or ink during that time than I would about "something happening to the Bitcoin protocol itself that would invalidate the balance or make it unrecoverable".

100% agreed. I think water damage is the biggest threat to a paper wallet. I've been doing some experiments to see what I can do to mitigate how water -- even just minuscule drops of condensation from a cold bottle of beer -- can turn an inkjet-printed wallet into squid-ink soup. Inkjet prints are alarmingly delicate.

The reason I'm trying to make sure I understand the technical hazards of paper wallets is so that I can give good all-around recommendations to people printing wallets: from water-proofing to technical to common sense advice.

Absolutely do not ever use inkjets for anything that you want to last  The only exception is when you can provide stable storage at a cost greater than the value of the printout.

Long term wallets should always be laser printed.  Laser printers work by melting tiny plastic beads onto the surface of the paper.  Laser printed documents can survive water, provided they are not pulped by excessive time or motion.  They can also survive fire, if protected by an ablative fire safe.  Pretty much any normal modern office paper should survive well beyond your lifetime without any heroic measures.
1110  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The smartest article on why Bitcoin won't become the next currency on: April 09, 2013, 04:37:51 AM
 
That guy GETS Bitcoin, and he truly understands that it is NOT a currency. It is a commodity/investment.

Let me stop you right there.  Around these forums, you can hardly swing a cat without someone arguing their own personal definitions.  It doesn't help that money is a strange and complicated subject, where no definitions seem to actually fit reality.

Currency is "that which circulates".  A commodity is a fungible thing.  An investment is something that you have a rational basis for thinking that will increase in value or provide a productive return.

Bitcoin is all of those things.  The only way to claim that bitcoin is NOT a currency is to get into a quibble about fractions.  I have a jar of pennies.  They don't circulate.  I haven't seen figures, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that most pennies are similarly in jars instead of pockets.  Is a penny not currency because not enough of them move?

The truth is that there are no fixed values.  There is no frame of reference.  The world is a sea of floating relative values.  This includes all forms of money.  The dollar is stable because the dollar market is friggin huge.  The bitcoin market is volatile because it is small.  Volatility isn't a weakness of bitcoin, it is the natural consequence of smallness.
1111  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Signed messages login. Your opiion guys. on: April 09, 2013, 03:33:44 AM
There is no From: address in bitcoin.  Never has been, never will be.  Have them get an address from their wallet, submit it on the order form.  In your database, attach their chosen address to a payment address that you create.  Once the payment comes in, ignore where it came from.

After that, the challenge/response using bitcoin signatures scheme on a random cookie is very secure.  You just need to get the signing address out of band.
1112  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: What could cause a paper wallet to become invalid? on: April 08, 2013, 08:24:45 PM
Basically, no.  The only reason to change away from the current ECDSA math would be if there was a dramatic cryptographic break, which is very unlikely to happen.  And if it did, the response would most likely be to add a new signature type, not to invalidate the old ones.
1113  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Lesson to Learn from Alt-Coins? Disruption to Bitcoin? on: April 08, 2013, 05:34:17 PM
The difficulty adjustment system is symmetrical, and this is for a reason.  Any asymmetry introduced would become a tool to manipulate difficulty.

Seriously guys, you need to take a deep breath and try really hard not to panic about everything.  Bitcoin is still small, it still has several problems related to smallness.  They will work themselves out over time as we grow.  Don't go off half cocked, proposing permanent bad ideas to counter temporary threats.  Losing a big chunk of hashing power is possible today, but won't be tomorrow.
1114  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The current nature of bitcoin is becomming a problem on: April 08, 2013, 03:31:19 PM
1 BTC is in fact 100.000.000 atomic units of bitcoin.

And i prefer to stick that way. It is a more intitutive way of denominating bitcoin, by calling the smallest atomic amount of it for bitcoin and then having wallets display how many atomic amounts of bitcoin you have. Of course shortening the numbers to make it easier to quickly understand and relate to. Shortening the numbers like the filesizes. ~1000 Bytes = 1Kilobyte ~1000Kilobyte = 1Megabyte

The atomicity of the satoshi is an accident of history, it comes from the current precision of the network.  It is not a constant fixed for all time, but bitcoin is.  When (or if) we switch to 128 bits, there will be a new atomic unit, but the bitcoin won't change.
1115  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can someone explain block time travel ? on: April 08, 2013, 02:40:48 PM
The timestamp is created before the block is hashed, and only needs to fit within a broad window to be valid.  The timestamps are not required to increase from one block to the next.

P.S.  Please search next time.  There is no prize for starting the 1,000th thread on a common topic.
1116  Economy / Economics / Re: WTB stabilized bitcoin value on: April 08, 2013, 04:14:54 AM
Stable values are expensive.  Come back with a trillion dollars or so, run the price up, and it will be stable.
1117  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: 12,000 Unconfirmed Transactions: Is this real? on: April 08, 2013, 02:27:01 AM
Typically, very few of those are actually confirmable.
1118  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: This artical needs fixing on the bitcoin wiki on: April 05, 2013, 07:49:58 PM
What makes you think that this procedure returns the current difficulty?  The page says pretty clearly that it returns the average number of hashes required to solve a block.

Or are you just forgetting to divide by 232 to convert hashes to difficulty?
1119  Economy / Economics / Re: Tax effect on: April 05, 2013, 11:42:18 AM
~21 million BTC
~300 million citizens

Sure...
1120  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Upgrade to 0.8.1. not working, coins missing, huge memory consumption on: April 05, 2013, 11:29:50 AM
pywallet
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