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2001  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: maybe pirate is just a front for banks/governments/people who would destroy btc? on: August 27, 2012, 12:52:21 PM
kjj,

You are assuming one lead developer then, but what if all of of them are targeted (not that many anyway).

I'm not assuming anything.  I'm telling you that the exact thing you are talking about happens every single day.  Not the coersion, but the forking of software projects and the changes in development teams.
2002  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: maybe pirate is just a front for banks/governments/people who would destroy btc? on: August 27, 2012, 08:58:10 AM
I think there is a much cheaper way to influence Bitcoin compared to destroying it by trade.

Just lean on the lead developers, push them towards implementing new features no one really wants, which in small steps would move away from the current core concept of Bitcoin where control is with the user.

Different lead developers would take over the old fork.  It happens every day in the open source world, usually when someone gets burned out.
2003  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Let me get this straight. on: August 26, 2012, 06:31:44 PM
BFL ASIC's are vapourware.

Meh, everyone said the same thing about their FPGA's Smiley
So because they sell FPGA that means that they also can produce ASIC? I don't see how the two things are related. I know how to walk, does that mean that i can also learn how to fly?  Cheesy

Heh.  They are related.  Google FPGA, ASIC and VHDL.
2004  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Let me get this straight. on: August 26, 2012, 03:37:30 PM
Do your calculations again with a difficulty of about 70,000,000.
2005  Economy / Economics / Re: BFL and Capacity Utilization: Jalapenos to Jump in Price? on: August 26, 2012, 03:05:11 PM
A company selling a product rarely acts like a market.  They can if they choose to, but most don't.

Once the products start getting out into customer's hands, it is likely, maybe certain, that there will develop a secondary market with prices set, more or less, by supply and demand.
2006  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: data to hash on: August 26, 2012, 02:54:35 PM
Someone (you or a pool) generates a block and a partial header for that block.  That partial header is sent to your mining system.  The miner completes the header by hashing the initial part of it.  If the result of that hashing is low enough, it gets sent back up the chain and becomes either a share in your pool, or a block in the chain.
2007  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Question Blocks on: August 26, 2012, 01:26:59 AM
There are no fields for IPs in blocks or transactions.
2008  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [400GH/s] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool on: August 25, 2012, 06:35:36 PM
This would centralize control of p2pool, and would destroy it.  People mine on p2pool because it allows them to control the blocks that they create.  We will reject any proposal to force us to include transactions that do not meet our own local policy.
Sorry I wasn't clear enough. This additionally functionality, as I interpret it, would allow a p2pool node to check the sharechain to see if a tx is going to be included or not, and know with certainty that if p2pool finds the next block, it WILL be included (if another pool finds the next block with a competing tx, then obviously all bets are off). If a tx doesn't meet p2pool criteria, it won't be added to the "include list" and it's inclusion won't be forced on p2pool by any means.

p2pool doesn't have a criteria.  Each individual p2pool node sets their own criteria.

You can look at the share chain and see if and how many shares were created that did include that transaction, but that doesn't tell you anything at all about the next share or the next block.
2009  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Theoretical max speeds for ECDSA verification on: August 25, 2012, 04:16:04 PM
As far as I know the latest results for GPU/FPGA acceleration of ECDSA show either no speedups at all or only trivial speedups. It's not something that is inherently superior with dedicated hardware, apparently.

At any rate given the potential for nearly 100k (batch) verifications per second just using software, it seems better to pursue those approaches rather. Your point about the security of the chosen curves is well made, but I'm not sure how you'd get more confidence in the security of a new curve or version of ECDSA without trying it in the wild.

It isn't just raw speed, it is speed per dollar, or speed per watt.  If you can plug in a low power USB device that verifies sigs as well as your CPU, that's a server you don't need to buy, power and cool.  Might be worth looking into, I'm not saying it is the answer.

Well, are we in the innovative cryptography business, or the innovative money business?  I know that there is some overlap, but I'd prefer that we be as conservative as we can be and let other people take the risks that we don't absolutely have to.  Not that I think that there will be a zero-day released for Secp256k1 some day...
2010  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [400GH/s] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool on: August 25, 2012, 02:41:03 PM
Hi forrestv,

There is a lot of interest in partial confirmations of transactions and p2pool has been proposed as a reasonable solution (see here). Specifically, the p2pool sharechain could guarantee that it will include a given txn in its next block (barring a conflicting transaction sneaking into the blockchain). Could you please comment on the feasibility of implementing such functionality into p2pool? What about the benefit? Does p2pool guaranteeing the inclusion of a txn provide any real benefit over sending your txn to the network and waiting for the majority of nodes to get it?

Thanks!

This would centralize control of p2pool, and would destroy it.  People mine on p2pool because it allows them to control the blocks that they create.  We will reject any proposal to force us to include transactions that do not meet our own local policy.
2011  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Bitcoin can no longer continue safely and will quit on: August 25, 2012, 02:29:44 PM
Check your debug.log, that should tell you which database is causing the problem.

Likely bet is addr.dat.
2012  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Theoretical max speeds for ECDSA verification on: August 25, 2012, 02:27:58 PM
Regarding the curve, I'd really prefer moving to a curve that is better trusted than to one that is faster.  Secp256k1 isn't widely used, and some people consider it unsafe.  Well, not unsafe exactly, maybe nervous; they don't have the confidence in it that they have in some other curves.

If there are optimizations known for popular, widely trusted curves, that would be best.

One small downside to the rise of FPGA/ASIC mining is that miners won't automatically have piles of nearly-idle CPUs sitting around managing their GPUs that could participate in pooled verification schemes.  (I'm thinking something like distcc)  I'll shoot the BFL guys an email, they'll soon have piles of FGPAs sitting around as they buy them back from people upgrading to ASICs, maybe they'd be interested in repurposing them as signature verification devices.
2013  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Burning and smoking HDD! Short circuit? on: August 25, 2012, 02:58:56 AM
Any idea where the smoke is coming from?  You might have a bad drive, or a bad power supply.  If you only have one of each, it might be hard to tell.  Sniffing might help locate burned parts.  If the smoke is coming from a wire, it might be hard to pin down, but if one overheats the insulation will melt and become brittle when it cools, and you should be able to see or feel that.  That was sorta common on 3.5" floppies back in the day because the connector had enough slop that you could overpower the keys and plug it in with an offset, causing an instant short.

Oh, and are you using a SATA-power connector on the drive, or a molex plug, or both?  (don't ever use both)

If the power supply is modular, double check the connections there, then triple check them.  If using an adapter to convert molex to SATA-power, check that.
2014  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Reward drop effects on: August 25, 2012, 02:49:02 AM
Also, they're not infinitely divisible, but only down to a minimum of eight decimal places (0.00000001).
The current client only divides them down to eight decimal places, but there is nothing in the protocol that prevents them from being divided further.  If the need should arise, they could be divided further by upgrading the client program. They are essentially infinitely divisible.


Well, there would need to be a hard fork.

What really happens is that the tx_out contains a field of int64_t with the value in protocol units (a satoshi currently).  I think that much more likely than adding 3 more places and keeping int64_t, we'll go to int128_t and add a whole bunch more places.  Either way, it would require bumping the transaction version number, and that would break all old clients (more or less, I don't remember off the top of my head if that is a hard fork or not, I think it is, but even if it isn't, it would still mess them up pretty bad).

It is actually a good thing that int64_t has a lot of headroom above the maximum number of coins that can ever exist.  It means that we can still use 64 bit math to do (exact) accounting of value denominated in satoshis.  For example, at current market prices, we could do accounting for a 400+ billion USD entity in bitcoin before we have to start worrying about running out of bits.
2015  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Do miners broadcast their transaction fees? on: August 25, 2012, 02:22:23 AM
No, and they probably never will. Miners would be greatly incentivized to tell people that they charge higher fees than they actually do.

A quick look at recent blocks will reveal the lie.  In that sense, the fees are already being broadcast.

Gavin said that he is planning to change the default behavior from "high priority first" to "high fee first".  Once that is done, it will become the new default for most miners fairly quickly.
2016  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Do miners broadcast their transaction fees? on: August 25, 2012, 01:51:15 AM
People are working on various parts of this, but there isn't much urgency yet because virtually all miners just follow the default rules.  And the default rules are more of a spam prevention thing than real fees.  But the snowball is rolling.
2017  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: So THIS happened (burnt mobo pins), what should I do? on: August 25, 2012, 01:43:27 AM
Yup, you can buy modified cables, or do it yourself.

To do it yourself, get a razor and cut out the +12V lines in the ribbon cable.  You want them separated from the ribbon, and cut from the motherboard (plug) side, but still attached to the card (socket) side.  Strip the ends, then attach to the yellow (+12V) lines of a molex adapter.  If you have some dead 12V fans, those are a good source of molex plugs, or buy splitters.

If that didn't make total sense to you, or if you don't know how to find out which wires in the ribbon you need to work on, please for the love of god, search for better instructions.  There are probably tons of threads right here on the forums about this, and maybe dozens of external websites that show how to do it in more detail.

Those pins burn because video cards split their power draw between the PCIe power connector and the PCIe slot.  Why a big video card with extra power jacks draws any current from the slot is a mystery to me, but they do, and if you have a bunch of cards that handle the split poorly, it overloads the +12V pins on the ATX connector, and they overheat and burn.
2018  Economy / Economics / Re: Does much of gold's market cap eventually go to Bitcoin? on: August 25, 2012, 01:06:41 AM
I would say so far bitcoin has had about 0% effect on gold capitalization.

Really, we have been using gold for 6000 years, bitcoin for 3. While bitcoin has done a wonderful job in decentralizing its counterparty risk, it still has counterparty risk in that it relies on multiple existing infrastructures like the bitcoin network, the internet, and the power grid.

That's not what counterparty risk is.  Counterparty risk is when someone owes you.  What you are saying is merely being part of a modern society.

You have a car.  About 98% of the usefulness of a car actually comes from things other than the car:  roads, gas, mechanics.  They aren't counterparties, and that isn't counterparty risk.  That is, er, societal risk or something, because your society could decide (somehow) to stop having those other things.  The good news is that for most of us, if those infrastructures go away, we'll be dead long before we have to worry about money.

With gold you can trade where there is no internet connection and no computers. It can be instantly identified by its very high density without the need for mind boggling math, and it can be explained to a 3 year old.

Gold is not just for governments and rich people. Common folk like me can buy it up a little bit at a time. I have a couple dozen oz and as such I get to hold my wealth just like the big boys do.

I am pretty sure gold will be the go to commodity for the very wealthy until such a time as transmutation of atoms because cost effective.

Gold trades easily where the gold physically is.  Bitcoin trades easily where the bitcoin network is, which at this point is pretty much everywhere all the time.  I'm going to have to give the advantage to bitcoin on this one.  There is no reason why you couldn't trade gold electronically too, which would even that field, but the only way to do that is to trust a counterparty to owe you gold and reassign their debt to the new owner.  (There are services that do exactly this, of course)

By the way, congratulations on your stack.  I'm more of a silver guy myself because I can afford bigger stacks of it, which are more fun to play with, but I have a couple of tiny gold coins and they sure are pretty.
2019  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Writing your private key in gold leaf on: August 25, 2012, 12:49:04 AM
I wonder if plating techniques like ENIG might work.  ENIG would be a huge pain in the ass to set up and do right, but maybe something similar.
2020  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Has Bitcoinary failed??? Their biggest trader is not honest. on: August 24, 2012, 08:07:39 PM
He is not the only one. One going by Maria is also not on the "up and up". But I dont think the site is failed just for a few bad apples.

That's why you must pay attention to the forum, Maria has been one of the most annoying trolls on board for a time now.

Ugh.  I could have easily gone another year without hearing that name again.
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