I retract my previous statement after some thought.

There is a good chance this poll will create some wishful thinking and afterwards resentment when we dó spend it all :/

I can imagine a lot of people now wishing us not to spend to get some free Nxt in the future :/

This is a "what íf" poll. Just in case the community truly can't reach consensus on what to do with it.
I am fairly sure it will be spent on projects instead.

It's weird: Once we have discussed marketing for a few hours, the idea takes root that we want to spend all on marketing and once we discuss development for a few hours people start to think all Nxt is going there.

I think we are agreed that money needs to go to both and even to projects we haven't even thought of.

This kind of thinking just leads to an unnatural tension between elements that all are needed. No one is proposing to solely focus on one aspect of the whole plan.

This discussion keeps biting us in the ass because somehow we keep forgetting some of these things have been said already. Useless waste of energy.

So far I have seen no one here that wants to grab bucketloads of Nxt because it is fun. Every time someone asked for funding it was for a part of the project they believed in and put many many MANY hours in.

Chill

Just want to add my congratulations, too.
Very clearly explained and nice to see a face to Nxt

I think you are getting a bit overly worked up at the moment, even if the question is valid...

Can we have an answer to this, please?

Tempers are running a bit hot today.  

I just wanted to let people know that I made Salsacz an author on nxtcoins.nl, so he can take on the task of making summaries (daily? Up to him!) of what's going on with marketing.

I was quite shocked that a thread about the Berlin conference on nextcoin.org had gone unnoticed and today people were actually laying blame at some others for not starting soon enough.

I am nót laying blame, because this just points out we have an information problem.

The forums do not solve this apparently (I myself also don't use them that much, because they don't have the same "feel" to them as BCT) so I am jumping into that hole by giving Salsacz the space to do what I do for BCT. I don't have the time to do it myself. BCT summaries take 2 hours a day to make, so that's my limit at the moment .

I hope this will solve at least the information deficit that we have regarding projects on the marketing front.

I am willing to extend this to others who feel there should be a place for other topical summaries that tend to go unnoticed or other things that would be helped by being presented in a clear unbiased list form.

Hope this helps!  

I would say seven.
That means less talk and more action.
All on the list are trusted. As a committee they'd balance each other anyway.
If they can't decide thén they go back to the community, but only as a total last resort.

I also would prefer if they weren't under a constant need to justify their expenses in the short term.
Most of the things they need to do is long term, so let's give them trust and take a longer view than the one, two week one that has sometimes been seen. 

Yes, please. The committee decided and acts. If it goes balls up, I'd rather have it that they tried than that we lose the 10 Mil because we couldn't even decide.
Sometimes you just have to JUMP in the knowledge that you can trust some people. Delegated authority etc.

Edit: We lose the 10 Mil anyway. Might as well be in spending than in meaningless destruction.

Don't make me scream and cry!

But yes, the community has already spoken.

From eb101 on nextcoin.org:


Can someone send them the necessary data if we want on there?

From eb101 on nextcoin.org:

Bit late, but I think relevant.

I have no problems with someone being critical about funds, but as regards to marketing a critical mistake is made: it's treated the same as a technical funding.

When you fund a technical or development effort, it's easy to put measurable parameters: "If we spend X, we expect to get Y" and that is cold hard fact.

With marketing, especially at the start, this is very hard to do, and sometimes downright silly. Anyone who has any experience looking at marketing analytics knows that at some point you just can't say: "X happened because of Y".

That means that sometimes money is spent unnneccessarily. That's what bad marketeers do! And most people, I am sad to say, tend to judge marketing and PR by that standard.

The other side is, that marketing gets subjected to over-auditing.

I believe in this case, this is happening. I'll be blunt: if people want hard facts on what the result of marketing efforts like LTB minutes and conferences would be, you won't be able to get them. I can tell you that if you don't get good people out there, Nxt has a major problem.

Take the Miami conference. If you'd have audited Nifty and JustaBit up front about numbers, that would have been silly. Even now, when we know that they have made very good contacts, it's still silly. All they can say at this moment is that things are in the pipeline. If you take the hard line now, you'd say: "you don't get funding, because you don't have results". And that would mean they wouldn't be able to get those results.

I sense a large amount of distrust towards the marketing efforts from some corners. Distrust is something different from critical questions.

I'll be blunt once more: marketing at this point needs trust up front. That means funding without too many questions, based on the fact that you know some people who know what they are doing are taking care of it. I put it to you that some developers in here would get blind funding because of their reputation and there wouldn't be as many questions asked as there are of marketing.

Also, from a "division of power" perspective, I would be less than happy if the person who does the audit also is the person who takes the end decision about actual spending. That is putting jury and judge together.

I'm not going to beg for PR funds, but I do want people to know that I really dislike being put in a place where I feel I have to defend my talents and job and explain I'm not evil.

<geek>
But the NCC-1701-D got destroyed!
</geek>

Indeed, we were taken a bit by surprise but at that moment even tried to get opticalcarrier on the plane immediately.
It was too late alas.

You can see what happened from here and the following pages: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg4708712#msg4708712

monthly?!

Edit: isn't that rather high? I mean that as a neutral question, not as an implicit statement that it ís high.

Thanks for the thanks
I'm well chuffed to work in such a dedicated team that uses what they have. We all bring to the table what we can and that is what eventually makes the whole machine go.

As far as I understood my guy is willing to work for cost (so that means initial break even for some investments).
I don't know how much yet, but it will be low, as he has most of the contacts already.
So costs would probably mean the clothing items themselves. They actually WANT to be paid in Nxt as they think it will be a great investment. (apparently my sales pitch was good )

I'm guessing total would be 20,000-30,000 Nxt at current exchange ratio (more is better of course, but that is the figure I kept in front of them this evening). That would be design, apparel and probably a few sites for promo thrown into the mix, because building promo sites is their core business and it would take almost no time to do for them.

No, not yet, that's why I am trying to get it done ASAP.

Would be great if we can work together and get a kit together for the people going to the conferences.

Then at least we know we will be recognisable at all conferences and the people going won't have to worry about it anymore.

I asked my friend to work on some proposals and he knows time is of the essence at this stage.

Wow.

Just had a meeting with a design mate of mine, who after I explained about what I have been doing for the past month is very interested in Nxt. He works for a company that at the moment is growing very fast in the smartphone industry.

He is willing to invest his time and also in bringing in his collegue to design material for us and also has the contacts to create promo material for the conferences for us.

I will send him all the material that has been made tomorrow and ask him to come up with a quick draft of his work.

I'm going to work out a deal with them where they will offer to volunteer their services to give us promo and design support.

I'll try to get his designs on here as soon as possible so you guys can see if it's the way we want to go.