Is there anything stopping you from outlining a tentative plan and timeline for your distribution of refunds.... even if you do not have the money right away, supposedly, you should be able to figure out some time to get your timeline in order and to communicate a somewhat reasonable plan.

Personally, I believe that no one should send you any more money until you have already completely dealt with all the refunds, either refunding everyone or getting a clear representation from the member that they do not want to receive a refund.  Of course, you might require that members have to communicate that they want a refund, especially in regards to the digital products, which would not be completely unreasonable, but given what doubts you have already created and even the questions about whether you had shipped any items or even whether you had actually acquired any supplies to make the product that you claimed to be making, it would likely be better to be completely upfront about how you intend to deal with everyone who had given you money including creating clear categories in regards to what will cause you to refund their money and the order in which you plan to issue such refunds, too.

Edit:  I noticed in the above post from teeGUMES that he is acknowledging receipt of what is presumably a complete refund, so I agree that is a good sign... It does seem a bit strange and problematic if you are ONLY planning to give refunds to members who publicly post about it...because that may end up blowing up in your face... Alternatively, I could appreciate a plan that sends refunds to members who post here first, and maybe even in the order that they are posted.. seems a bit random.. or maybe in the order that they had paid... but there should be some criteria to help to provide some confidence that you have an actual plan that you intend to follow.

I have seen all kinds of merit related ploys, nonsense, and even reverse psychology, so I doubt that this angle is really a "first"  (Edit:  Upon re-rereading your post, Loyce, I subsequently recognize that you could have been just tongue-in-cheek,.. but still, sometimes the subtlety of any joke can get lost..... and my initial reaction was that sending smerit kind of encourages creative merit begging, to some degree.. which is not necessarily a world-ending thing,... humor and all... humor comes in a lot of differing angles/flavors).

Anyhow, I did take some liberties to FTFY, Loyce.        

Actually, you are correct that 1password or lastpass are probably better for just maintaining various passwords, and maybe some back up to authentication codes that allow the recovery of various passwords, but would not be good for private keys.   so yeah.. I just was thinking more about the password management aspect of that, so probably, I did not think through that scenario very well in terms of actually putting private keys in there....

I had not, actually, done anything like that for my private keys, but I have been finding the managing of passwords to be quite frustrating and so I was largely thinking about password managers as a kind of possible solution for getting some of the chaos of password managing in order.

I merited hung58 because I thought that he was bringing up some good points rather than my own thinking of following specifics, and in that regard, I also thought that hung58 made a decent point about the risk of giving too much information to some people (such as relatives or close friends) who might be kind of sloppy in their own managing of information, so if you give them your information, there is no real guarantee that they would be more protective of your information, and they might even be less protective of your information as compared with their own information...

Anyhow, it is not about NOT trusting those potential other persons, but the acknowledgement that some people are just sloppy as fuck with their own password management or even their personal information so if you give information to them regarding your personals, then maybe they end up posting that information on their fridge, but they make it more secure by posting it upside down, so that they don't forget that the information is important... which carries a decent amount of risk, too... which I believe is part of the issue (or potential problem) that hung58 was bringing out.

Part of the design of this free money thingie-ma-jiggie is to inspire confidence and to accomplish such distribution quickly and with as little red tape as possible.  It is not really very undifferent from how the tax system works in a lot cases, anyhow.  People can choose options that allow them to get paid, and then have to report their income and to perform a variety of calculations to submit what they believe their taxes should be in terms of what they owe or not.  Yeah, maybe in the end, you are correct.  Maybe in the end, there are a lot of folks who are paying in a similar amount as to what they got.. but it still seems like a BIG so what... There is a symbolic aspect to this matter, too.  We are in  a "crisis"... and there is an urgency to making sure people feel that they are getting treated with some benefits during these stressful times.

Probably, in the end, Biodom, we do not really disagree very much because I understand what you are saying, especially after the clarification, and you likely would not disagree to some of the symbolic aspects of people getting quick payments with as little red-tape as possible.

On a strict technical basis, even if you are sending money to the taxman, you are ahead.  So, I find it a bit irritating to focus on having to pay taxes.

Surely, on the other hand, yeah, the way that tax money is being spent by various government entities is likely another great morass of complications.

Yeah, fuck it that the whole economy is fucked and that your dollar is likely going to buy less because services and products are going to have difficulties being available...  and probably weird affects on prices....   including that we don't even have tests and meaningful treatment for the virus that seemed to have gotten some of this ball rolling... at least, purportedly so.

 I am talking to you, el_rlee.......

There should not be too many folks who are DCA'ing into BTC for 3-4 years to be in the red at these prices.. even though maybe NOT in very wonderful territory...

The quickie DCA website does not show 3.5 years. 

It only shows 3 years


or 4 years

Either way, ongoing DCA does seem to be the way to go, but I could see if you made some mistakes along the way, it could take a bit of time to really get into profits (and of course, we know that UPPITY BTC price performance is NOT guaranteed, either).

You had your chance, jonoiv...

squandered an opportunity, and now your are wishing for the opportunity to come back because you can never get enough.. right?  You always want lower, right?

Looked a gift horse in the mouth at $4k-ish, but no, you wanted MOAR...   I pity the fool......... aka jonoiv.

I recall seeing other proposals for expiration of feedback, or maybe negatives convert to neutrals, but surely there might be some cases, like you mentioned, in which a member might need to reconsider feedback that s/he has given. 

As a policy consideration, it seems more difficult to actually require that a member has to do something (such as reconsider feedback that he gave) based on his/her having had already done something...even though that negative would end up showing up forever on an account (or situation) that the vast majority (or even everyone else) had decided to remove or to change their feedback.

I don't need to explain anything.

I guess that more of my attention has been drawn to the hacker matter in recent times, including that I am reading through some of the posts and I have been noticing that if some member(s) seems to have put work and research into providing evidence and logic that attempts to explain that evidence, then in my view that seems to deserve some merit(s).  So, yes, I have been moved to give some merit to some posts based on evidence, logic and sometimes what seems to be some compiling work..... and sometimes i will also give merit, and it might not agree with the conclusions that are argued in the post, but instead seems to deserve merit for raising, highlighting or clarifying some points.... hey I might not even conclude that the evidence as a whole or overall is compelling, but the post still raised a clarification or another or caused me to reconsider my thinking on some matter. 

You do seem to want read a lot into the sending of smerits... and maybe even attribute more weight to the sending of smerits than they deserve, anyhow... by the way, if a member such as myself might have only so much time that he can spare online for that day, or maybe during a window period, he might give smerits for posts that he is able to read during that window period that he is on for that day.. .or maybe he does not have any smerits to send during the window period... so he might NOT have time to be able to read some other posts that might be better on the same topic or he might not be able to give smerits because he does not have any.

In terms of substance, I do tend to believe that there are a lot of contradictions that hacker seems to be making himself, but I still have not really taken any specific kind of advocating step, beyond what I had already stated earlier, which would be that hacker might muster up to either help himself better, or maybe just move on from some of the battles and figure out ways to contribute substance to the forum in order to attempt to rebuild his credibility in those kinds of rebuilding ways, if that is possible or wanted by hacker.  I had seen one or more posts from hacker that had seemed to show that he wanted to rebuild some credibility for his account, so it seems to me that sometimes his fighting some of the matters seem to cause more contradictions, even coming from his own keyboard, rather than really working on building credibility.

By the way, I do sometimes feel that I need to attempt to apologize to other members because I understand that the topic is not about me (and frequently not about me nor about my practices or my rationale for my practices at the time of my posting the response), and so in that sense, I don't necessarily know enough about the topic, yet I end up allowing members like bonesjones to drag me into responding into an area that is almost completely off topic, and maybe it would be better if I did not say anything rather than to start out my response by saying that "I do not need to respond" and then to end up responding with an area of discussion that is largely irrelevant to the topic of the thread.

Seems like a bit of a dilemma... because if too much money is given, then there could be a disincentive for people to work.... seems to cut both ways.. a good possible temporary measure.. but how would it ever stop if it disincentivizes working?  Seems to show how fucked up the problem is to go from zero to $2k for everyone on a monthly basis.. and then prices will go way up because lack of people producing, servicing or delivering... and in the meantime, there seem to be efforts to defund the post office.. which is crazy... including that the post office is in the constitution... so lot's of weird times in front of us... 

Seems to me that I had adequately responded to jbreher in my earlier post, including linking my response in the Bruno thread, and including the suggestion that if any member is being solicited for funds, s/he has rights to have information that is related to that donation and also if members might be considering whether they still might give money they also have rights to a certain amount of information in terms of if that money is merely going into space or that they are not being tricked out of funds because of a death of a respected forum member.. And, of course, hypothetically if there is any issue that neither family member nor someone designated by Bruno has access to the addresses, then that might change someone's decision to send money, even though there might not be anything that the member can do if they had already sent money.

My response in the Bruno thread, and to jbreher largely just described bare minimum expectations that any member might reasonably have and I am not advocating any kind of doxxing beyond what had already been doxxed by Bruno himself and other matters that had been revealed in connection with information that was being provided in that Bruno thread.  You, nutildah, have also made some representations in the thread, so you also have a right, and maybe even an obligation to clarify anything that I might have misrepresented in my post, but from the information that I had gleaned from the thread, I have no reason to believe that I had misrepresented anything, even though I am not ruling out that I might not have caught every nuance or read every post adequately or accurately. 

My post in that thread has nothing to do with promoting or attempting to contribute to any doxing of a family member or that you might have experienced or are experiencing.  Again, you made representations in the thread that imply that you had been in contact with someone in connection with the matter, which probably were willful disclosures from you rather than someone else making such representations.   Again, if anyone wants to see my actual response in regards to this matter in the Bruno thread, then here is my response for convenience sake.

It seems to me that questions around DT member activity revolve around what theymos said in this below-attached post regarding his tweaking of the DT1 list criteria on about a monthly basis, which seems to have some activity criteria.. sure it is not "always" active, but requires being on line and posting as I bolded those two lines, below:

Supplemented that for you.

Members were making statements about the matter, and I thought that my comments were fair based on the information that I had.  Whether my information is correct or not is perhaps another question but I was attempting to leave my conclusions to be somewhat open and whether I worded my post in a way that was sufficiently sensitive might strike people differently based on their own feelings about death or even their feelings about how that particular situation was being presented.

Anyhow, in the end, it seems to me that I based my post on what I thought to have been the situation, and anyone has a right to correct the matter if I was wrong about anything that needs to be disclosed, but merely suggesting that the topic should NOT be discussed because it might be too sensitive seems a bit ridiculous.  When people are giving money they have rights to know things in terms of their own donation, and yeah maybe they could just accept that everything is on the up and up, yet rights apply whether any member had already given money or if they are considering giving money, including whether some things might NOT be true or even considering how much weight to assign to certain representations that have been made, whether by bruno or by any other poster in the thread or even if the referred to websites describing what happened might or might not be accurate in what they are asserting to be the case.

So, maybe we consider these matters differently, which is all fine and dandy, right?, but I don't really consider what I said in that post or how I had phrased my assertions to have been either insensitive or inappropriate.  If anyone needs a reference, then here is the link.

I am not sure what you mean by "DT2 strength 10."  I did not see that information in the linked page that you provided.   Am I supposed to click on one of the links within BPIP to see DT2 strength?

It seems that I have heard of the concept of DT strength before, but I cannot really remember what it means.

I am not even sure if this is worthy of a response.  I was attempting to figure out how you arrived at your conclusion, including that you were feeling bullish about bitcoin prices..... and I had made some statements about preparing for down.. and/or not getting too overly optimistic about up or doubling of prices in a short period and assertions like that.

Of course, you want to get distracted into nonsense... but why?  largely your points are only slightly coherent, except maybe that you want to engage in some bonding with cryptotourist in the nethers of the WO nursery section...   Do we even have such a thing, here?  Infofront?     Someone in charge of WO sections or sectioning?  Take us to your WO thread leader?  Oh, I forgot, one of the great ongoing dynamics of this thread is that it remains leaderless.. courtesy of infofront and his sticking with his election platform, largely...   No need to analyze infofront, but thank you infofront... #nohomo

Sure, outrageous gains in BTC prices can happen in short periods and when we do not believe them to be within the short term BTC cards.. and outrageous moves have happened in the past, yet we are not living in the past.  

We are living in the present.  

Accordingly, does anyone believe that it is realistic to expect a doubling or even a 40% BTC price rise in a month or even two months?  Seems a bit pie in the sky to me to be expecting such, even though of course such quick prices rises can take place, and even bitcoin is NOT really very liquid, so it can be pumped to ridiculous levels in short periods of time, especially to purposefully R3ck a few shorts.



Yes.. we (aka I) have been caught.  

Should have not been so obvious...

Oh fuck..   You are really on top of matters, Hyperjacked...

easily distracted too... ...  

fuck fuck fuck... sucks to be me (I mean us.. oh shit.. revealed... what are we/I gonna do?)

Probably, if I attempt to go way down deep, then I don't hate you, if that counts for anything.

What is a "toolbag" in this context? 

You mean that I am saying something that causes you to become more bullish because I am like a reverse indicator or something?  Get a grip. 

I say all kinds of shit over the years, and a vast majority of the time, there is little to no prediction concerning short term price projections, so likely there is little to no correlation with anything that I say and what actually ends up happening in short term bitcoins price movements.

Prepare to NOT be surprised by your having had been surprised.  That makes a lot of senses....  


By the way, I agree with you, but it is still a funny idea that bears repeating....