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11081  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: rpietila Altcoin Observer on: August 04, 2014, 10:15:54 PM
Not every lottery is for millions. People spend a lot of money on daily drawings for smaller amounts, scratch off tickets with $500-$10000 max prizes, etc. Go into a casino and most slot machines don't have million dollar payoffs (thousands are common) and you see lots and lots of people playing them.

11082  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Spin-offs: bootstrap an altcoin with a btc-blockchain-based initial distribution on: August 04, 2014, 09:59:43 PM
Peter R have you looked at my idea of pruning claims? In your example above, if 4efe wants to make a claim after 018f has done so, I don't another proof is needed. The first proof also serves as a proof that the second claim is valid. This can occur at any branch. I haven't really thought this through though.

11083  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [BBR] Boolberry: Privacy and Security - Guaranteed[Bittrex/Poloniex]GPU Released on: August 04, 2014, 09:30:17 PM
Every coin with mining has inflation and the problem is that none of these new coins (including BBR, XMR, and virtually every single other altcoin if not all of them) has absolutely no use outside speculation so no population of natural buyers. The miners can either hold (i.e. speculation) or sell, but who are they going to sell to? Only other speculators.

Comments about "too much inflation" and miners "dumping" such are missing the mark. As long as there is mining in any amount whatsoever and as long as there are miners who are not full-out speculators who want to hold all of their coins forever, there are natural sellers (miners) and no natural buyers. That imbalance will cause the price to tend to go down unless speculators want to buy enough to push it up, or at least hold it up.

11084  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCN] Cryptonite | 1st mini-blockchain coin | M7 PoW | No Premine on: August 04, 2014, 08:50:08 PM
What people don't understand is that the total number of coins is actually irreverent. (except when its unlimited)

It doesn't matter if there are 10 coins or 10 billion coins. What really matter is the PERCENTAGE of coins you own relative to everyone else. If there's only 10 coins but I own 1 coin, I'd own 10% of the entire supply. If there are 10 billion coins but I own 10 million coins, then I'd only have 0.1% of the entire supply. The number of coins is nothing but a shift in the decimal place, but don't really affect what's really important, and that is the relative amount you own as a percentage of the total supply.

+1

What is different about this coin is the 10 year mining cycle. There will be more inflation for a longer period of time than any other coin I can think of. I'm not saying that is bad, just different.

11085  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: rpietila Altcoin Observer on: August 04, 2014, 08:09:25 PM
The most important thing to learn from Cuckoo Cycle is that he's doing it *right* -- he's treating his proposed proof-of-work in the same way professionals treat proposals for encryption or hash algorithms by publishing a clear spec and implementation, soliciting comments, and even funding (from his own pocket, no less) further evaluation and analysis.  BEFORE it's used in a coin.

There is nothing inherently wrong with a coin as a testbed for a new algorithm. It is a case where the mining incentivizes something useful (testing and optimizing the algorithm), not unlike other coins where the mining process is intended to produce some useful scientific or mathematical result.

Where this ends up being bad is when the developer makes either dishonest or unsupported claims about the algorithm (e.g. "this won't be feasible to mine on a GPU") as opposed to being up front about the algorithm being experimental and unknown and seeing where it ends up.
11086  Economy / Speculation / Re: $500,000 per Bitcoin, baby. The math behind it. on: August 04, 2014, 07:18:29 AM
"The price at which he bought the rig is irrelevant to this decision. It’s a “sunk cost”." -- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=694401.0

I don't think that's true. The miners will continuously have to buy new hardware since the price/performance of computing power doubles every year. Old hardware has to be replaced. And in addition there are costs for bandwidth and for maintenance, administration, rent of buildings etc.

Only if the cost of electricity is much larger than all those other costs over time can the assumption in the quote be valid.

Better to approach this from the opposite direction. The least efficient miners (and only the least efficient miners) will approximately break even, meaning they are spending their share of the rewards on electricity. As long as there is a range of efficiencies of miners, then electricity usage does not equal block rewards.

The simplistic model of electricity usage equal to rewards implies a cessation of ASIC R&D. That is not happening any time soon.

EDIT: Two additional points

1. If we use a simple model of most efficient miners using zero electricity and the least efficient using all of the block reward, and further assume that the distribution is linear, then approximately half the block rewards to go electricity. In reality the least efficient do not use zero, but the distribution is probably biased toward more efficient miners, so these two assumptions cancel out to some extent. Half may be a reasonable estimate. That does not substantially impair the argument that $500K bitcoin is implausible until the reward is lower.

2. Where the argument does break down is if the dollar drops in value as BTC increases relative to the dollar (i.e. $/kwh significantly increases).
11087  Other / Off-topic / Re: finally memorized my private key :D on: August 04, 2014, 05:51:29 AM
I was going to do that but since the key is so long, I can see me forgetting on or 2 characters, especially if I dont repeat it daily. I would never memorizing it as the only copy. Now memorizing it and having a paper copy, now thats doable, even for me, lol..

If you forget just one or two characters it is easy to brute force it.
11088  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCN] Cryptonite | 1st mini-blockchain coin | M7 PoW | No Premine on: August 04, 2014, 02:09:44 AM
Some problems for me.mini-blockchain only download 10000 blocks.



ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?

you've been mining blocks somewhere between every block and every 3rd block???

this is the worst distribution i've ever seen.

DEV can tell you!!!


Learn to read, his transaction window shows a spread of 9 hours.

nevertheless...

http://minichain.info/address/CNCzEBdvxzKSsGGdeqdGv17zuyWLeyAFvw

Huh
11089  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: August 03, 2014, 11:07:50 PM
I have a 32 Bit wallet , which I cannot now access (on a 32 bit windows OS)

Will I need to instal 0.8.8  on a 64 bit OS, and import keys, or is there a way of running (or just backing up) the 32 bit walllet ?

 I am unable to view my coins balance : is there a way of viewing coin balance/addresses using the key files from the old wallet (without running it) ?

You will need to upgrade to 64 bit unless you can make the 32 bit Wallet work. I still think that booting with /3GB should work but no one has demonstrated that.
11090  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: August 03, 2014, 09:27:26 PM
Why Monero price is down  Huh

Answered in the FAQ

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=721045.msg8148615#msg8148615
11091  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: CoinDesk censors Monero, loses credibility on: August 03, 2014, 10:25:50 AM
Nah, coindesk is busy pumping IPO coin:

Yes that tends to happen a lot. Easier to write a story from a press release than to actually find one.

11092  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: CoinDesk censors Monero, loses credibility on: August 03, 2014, 10:23:18 AM
Coins currently immediately above and below XMR on coinmarket cap are blackcoin and XCurrency. Blackcoin has various mentions on coindesk (usually as part of a list along with dogecoin for some reason), but XCurrency has only one. Cloakcoin is right below XC and has been somewhat hot recently, but that's not mentioned either.

So I think it is fairly normal for them to not cover alts below the top 10.

That does not explain removing your comments though.

CryptoNote is HUGE in the alt scene. Right now I count eight different cryptonote related threads in the first page of the bct alt section. It would be pretty tough for someone not to be aware of its existence. Additionally, it's not so much the lack of CN/Monero related articles as much as it's not even mentioned in articles specifically about anonymous tech in the alt scene.  

For example, the most recent article mentions XC, Cloakcoin, Keycoin, and an obscure new anon coin called RobotSexNickels, yet somehow fails to mention Monero, the coin that occupies some 25% of the altcoin discussion on bitcointalk. Gimme a break.

I agree there is no logical explanation for mentioning XC, Cloakcoin, etc. and not mentioning Monero.




 
11093  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [BCN] Bytecoin (CPU-mining, true anonymity) on: August 03, 2014, 10:19:08 AM
The price is ridiculous. What's happening?! It must be at least 5x times higher

Consider 80% of total supply (around 150 billion coins) was mined by small group people before BCN available to visible world, 150 billion coins at 10 sat would be equal to 15,000 BTC. That's why everytime price raise significantly, huge sell pressure appear again.

I was watching BCN on the first day it added to Poloniex, coins was traded between 50-90 sat with good volume, and then someone with big stash of BCN started put in huge sell pressure, price started going down since then.

Some actual numbers since I happened to look at this recently. Slightly less than 10 BTC/day was being mined during the first month of trading on Poloniex. Some of that gets sold right away by miners, but it can't be 100%. Yet during that month 10-30 BTC per day was being traded. One day near the beginning (I think the second day but I'm not sure) over 60 BTC traded. That doesn't not include the trading that was also happening at the cryptonote exchange, which at times was similar in volume.

So it is pretty clear that many older coins were being dumped, and that is probably still happening.

11094  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: CoinDesk censors Monero, loses credibility on: August 03, 2014, 09:57:45 AM
Coins currently immediately above and below XMR on coinmarket cap are blackcoin and XCurrency. Blackcoin has various mentions on coindesk (usually as part of a list along with dogecoin for some reason), but XCurrency has only one. Cloakcoin is right below XC and has been somewhat hot recently, but that's not mentioned either.

So I think it is fairly normal for them to not cover alts below the top 10.

That does not explain removing your comments though.


11095  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: CoinDesk censors Monero, loses credibility on: August 03, 2014, 09:53:09 AM
Since you comment on the site I presume you are a regular reader (I'm not, although I do occasionally follow a link to the site if it looks interesting).

Do you have any idea what is their motivation for not covering Monero? Do they generally cover other altcoins?

I've been a regular reader for a while now, and have enjoyed CoinDesk for their coverage in the alt space. I always thought it was kind of weird how XMR repeatedly failed to come up in relevant articles but always dismissed it as an innocent oversight. I'm not sure what their motivation is. Perhaps the authors are all heavily invested in darkcoin? I only suggest that because there's been quite a bit of darkcoin coverage on CoinDesk.

Objectively speaking DRK is #5 on coinmarketcap and has a $25m market cap. Monero is currently #13 (though it has been in the top ten on occasion) with a market cap of $6 million, roughly 25% of DRK.

So it is not all that strange that DRK would get much more coverage.

I could certainly come up with reasons it might get covered though (for example the higher rating on CoinGecko), distinctly new and different technology, community focus, etc.

It is interesting that they remove your comments and also interesting that they didn't cover Poloniex switching from LTC to XMR. That seemed significant, and I'm fairly sure Poloniex put out a press release on it.



11096  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: CoinDesk censors Monero, loses credibility on: August 03, 2014, 09:31:25 AM
Since you comment on the site I presume you are a regular reader (I'm not, although I do occasionally follow a link to the site if it looks interesting).

Do you have any idea what is their motivation for not covering Monero? Do they generally cover other altcoins?

 
11097  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: August 03, 2014, 09:06:41 AM
I was one of the people who pushed on a refund policy. I was repeatedly told it was not necessary because it was going to ship on time and on spec. In other words, unethical and misleading statements meant to bring orders, which not only seemed so at the time, but which we now know in hindsight have been proven to be misleading.

I don't troll on other manufacturer's threads. I mostly ignore them because I already consider them untrustworthy and disreputable already. This one seemed like it might be different, but it really isn't. Same pre-order promises and shifting of risk to the customer, and same result (customer screwed).

Yes they messed up and these things happen, but all I can say is, if you trust them again, shame on you. If anyone buys a miner from these guys that doesn't ship from stock with a tested and third-party reviewed design, you get what you deserve.

Likely my last word on the subject, as Spondoolies now gets grouped in with all the rest of the untrustworthy manufacturers pitching pre-order deals that I largely ignore.

11098  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: August 03, 2014, 07:59:59 AM
I don't know a lot about BCN ''discovering'' , haven't found anything that can confirm or dispute the fact of its premining.
But I'm not talking about BCN right now. If I would talk about it I'd write my comment on their thread.
If you think I am here to troll monero, well, I don't give a shit. But I have my own point of view and some questions, so I'd like to bother XMR devs as well as I'm going to bother FCN and QCN devs.

Dude, at least keep track of which account you're using. About the same reg date though, so I guess it's all good.

ROFLMAO

11099  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: August 03, 2014, 07:09:04 AM
http://pastebin.com/7CKY6eGw - Monero developers are stilling BCN code and implement it to XMR without any changes

And even other developers think that XMR devs are not qualified (https://twitter.com/lopp/status/472359052736204800)
Go back to troll school. Twitter entry and the paste are 100 years old, what's wrong with you?
Come up with better faked sources.

Post history speaks for itself, as does account registration date right around the time BCN was "discovered" after its widespread use for two years on the deep web.

Lame.

BTW, thanks for the thread bump Suzuki. We appreciate it!

11100  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero (XMR) Speculation thread on: August 03, 2014, 05:20:18 AM
I'm happy to have found this thread. I'm holding some XMR and this is a great resource!
Soon you will become a rich man with a great wealth! You have made the right decision.
Your information is quite doubtful. How did you get that? Explain please.
Yes. The info is doubtful and by the way open his latest posts history. This account must be a bot which has the only target - saying good stuff about Monero.

They are both likely bots/shills/trolls. Check both of their histories.

I fear the strategy is now to bury us under a flood bot spam, or perhaps create the appearance of fraudulent "pumping."

Since the trolling didn't accomplish anything I guess they decided to try something else.



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